What Do We Do With Tua Tagovailoa? | The Play Sheet | The Ringer
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2024
- With a potential contract extension looming for Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa this offseason, The Ringer's Ben Solak takes a look at his recent play and identifies some weaknesses in his game after a tough loss to the Buffalo Bills. Mike McDaniel's offensive system has been a boon to Tua's game, but how should we evaluate his skill set as a QB after this season, and how much cap room does he deserve moving forward? Watch 'The Play Sheet' on RUclips or Spotify every Wednesday at 8 a.m. PT.
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I already liked Ben, but seeing him in a Camp Half-Blood shirt makes me like him even more
Same😂
Ben, if you did a video per week going over the intricacies of the various offensive nd defensive CONCEPTS, separate from TEAMS or PlAYERS, I think it would be a huge hit.
They way you break down Robber, Tampa, Cover Teo, etc. I love it. I would love MORE of it.
Great idea
I see Tua not being able to extend plays is a massive issues. Defenses are told “get Tua out of the pocket and he’s done” and it’s true. Also, Mcdaniels is calling very predictable plays. We run every first down, and if we get more than 3 yards we do it again. Too many screen plays this last game against the chiefs. Tua HAS to win these games. With a depleted defense we gave our offense more than enough opportunities. If we can’t do anything with Waddle and Hill, we gotta move on from Tua as much as it pains me to say it.
Tua can not consistently sling the ball down the field nor can he buy time, idk what you expect a coach to do about that
One of my only truly appointment viewing shows. I watch 'em all. Incredible work as always, Ben.
Being a football nerd AND book nerd is the goals
8:21 You acknowledge that he's capable of making the throw from the play before. Without mentioning the difference is on the 2nd he stepped up in the pocket to avoid pressure and the first the pocket collaped and he got body slammed to the ground after barely getting off the throw on the half yard line. This is the problem with breaking down plays and using absolutes like "You have to do XYZ"
Correct. He got hit quick on the Hill throw. Amazing he got it out there.
Great video. I definitely learned some things about Tua, and football concepts too
low key the camp halfblood tee is iconic. thoughts on the tv series?
Prop department was cooking when they gave Percy’s stepdad a Zach Wilson jersey
Tv series is a JOKE. Woke Joke. Mcdaniels over rated. Tua is bloated and a shit leader
@@muhammadmousa4192 They gave this man a *FRAMED* Zach Wilson jersey. Idk if I’ve ever seen a prop that said more about a character 😂
Great analysis dude!
More Ben. You are the best.
Excellent, expansive, and accurate take here. Studious and illustrative. To the heart of the matter.
The Dolphins should move on but they’re also stuck in the unenviable position where they can’t. They aren’t in a position to draft the can’t miss prospects and the QB market doesn’t provide a clear and obvious upgrade.
Personally, I think they should scoop up Penix or maybe even look into possibly moving up for Daniels and get them in the building for a year while Tua plays out the 5th year of his deal. Then you hit reset on your QB window and continue to fill out the depth around them.
It just doesn’t seem wise to lock up an obviously flawed QB long term at 40-50 million a year.
The issue with Tua is his complete INABILITY to extend plays. The reason he struggles ALL THE TIME vs Great defenses is because when you force him to hold the ball longer than the usual 2.5s and his OL loses, he just can't do a thing about it.
The ability to extend plays separates the good QBs from the great ones. And this is why I also believe someone like Brock Purdy is actually underrated..when you watch SF..and there's pressure he is mobile enough to make something for himself on top of the system stuff. Tua cannot do this
I feel he also has to take the next step against defenses that excel in pre to post snap window dressing. Sure Tua won't see them often enough in the regular season but in the playoffs, they are going to gate keep him hard as those DCs are in playoff teams. MacDonald of the Ravens is excellent with it adjusting his back 7 and throwing odd four-man rushes. Spags changes the picture post snap but also throwing aggressive blitzes.
We can’t even run a qb sneak on 3rd and short or 4th and short probably because McDaniel is afraid Tua will get hurt again.
Um...Brady? Manning? Great QBs consistently have the right answers from the pocket, and good QBs don't. CONSISTENCY is the difference.
This is exactly why they need to bite the bullet and move on from him. He is literally the MAIN thing holding this team back. He literally needs perfect execution from all those around him to perform at a high level.
But they won't, because the team is ran by idiots who won't understand this until after another disappointing season in 2024
Tua isn’t gonna work out. He gets rid of the ball fast for more than 1 reason. The reason he climbed that pocket with no pressure is cuz he knows his limitations and lack of arm strength. He put all he had in that throw and the safety still got their. If that isn’t enough to want us to move on then your just content with making playoffs and that to me sounds crazy. Tua is nothing more than a robot being aided by scheme and his playmakers. Not even a good robot at that. Had so many easy crossers and checkdowns and he chose to lock on into Hill. 1 read weak armed QB. He questioned whether he was good enough to play in this league. Doesn’t that raise a red flag? Idc how much of a jerk Flores was. If I know I’m good at something nobody can make me think otherwise. He knows what’s up. Only thing that could’ve saved him is going threw reads at an elite level and I thought that something he was good at but this kid doesn’t process anything. He reads the defenses pre snap and determines who he’s gonna throw too. He’s gonna f around and get McDaniel fired. I myself blamed McDaniel for bad decisions in this game but the tape shows Tua didn’t take the wide open underneath routes. This kid is NOT reading the field & going to his 1st read. It’s a shame to all the guys in that locker room. This is an ELITE scheme he’s playing in. This video really made
Me change my opinion on McDaniels scheme. The plays were their for us to keep drives alive. Tua just making bad read after bad read. Forcing to Reek and throwing that Ball to Claypool. Bad route but it’s double coverage and u can’t throw that.
Thank you for this good analysis
I remember a lot of chatter from miami fans about how the team wasn’t getting enough respect and how tua was an MVP. Where are they now? Miami falling apart and getting bounced early in the playoffs was very predictable if you actually paid attention
I have a buddy who’s a Miami fan. He would not shut up about Tua all year. I’m happy I told him they’re front runners and it was true.
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You didnt hear the skeptical dolphins fans when he was beating all bad teams and folding against the great teams
They didn't want to blab the open secret about the Fins offense: They get worse as the season rolls along. Yes injuries are a thing but two seasons they have shown that they got limp noodle energy by the time they hit January football.
Team also has key injuries all over the place.. eventually all the backups playing caught up
Anybody can be good for a game, a few games, or even a season. Greatness is about consistency in the face of significant variance and changes around you. Based on what I've seen it's quite simple - Tua is good not great. He's Russell Wilson.
Bob Griese was regarded as a slightly above average quarterback, and is not listed in the all time top 25.
I’ll take the Russell Wilson that went to 2 Super Bowls.
@Ben, this is a great breakdown of how Tua’s on the field decisions look. I know we cannot judge him by a one game sample size, but we have to see if he can step up and beat elite talent. The opportunity was there against Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and he has not done so as yet. It’s hard to pay a guy franchise money when he plays like Average Joe. For what it’s worth I love Tua but he has to improve in this area of his game.
The pocket awareness is abysmal
Josh Allen did everything he could to give the game away and Tua still couldn't seal the deal. He'll never be more than a flat-track bully
Josh Allen also single-handedly outgained the Dolphins offense.
@@EddieDubs Yards mean nothing if it does not end in points. Scoring 14 points on offense vs that defense is bad.
true but the difference is when the bills needed something out of Allen, they got it. When they need tua to make magic he threw a damn pick
@@frandavis1990 he tried to throw one the pass before it too.
Except that the Bills dominated the time of possession with their long scoreless drives. Which forced the dolphins to go on long drives and otherwise limited their possessions. @@littleguyjoe22
I definitely think this is a fair assessment. I'm just not sure what you do with him? If you are not going to pay him you have to blow the team up and go into rebuild.
As an honest rational dolphins fan, this is my dilemma. Hes still like a top 8 to 12 QB. But he’s not special in anyway and things need to be great around him like a Cousins or Goff. It’s a very tricky position to be in because the odds of finding one of those top like 4 elite guys is very slim.
@@johnrossi3812 You have to look at where other teams have messed up and avoided a mess - most recently, the Giants and Ravens. Separate "win with him" QBs from the "win because of him" QBs. Nobody but the Giants was looking to lock Daniel Jones down to a multiyear $40m/year extension but the Giants owner loves DJ like a son and they found they could "win with" DJ by making a surprise playoff appearance, so they outbid themselves to overpay a mid (at best) QB and stunted their roster/cap rebuild. Tua is a great guy but that sentiment will leave you outbidding yourselves - he's a "win with" guy and you can find another of those much cheaper than Tua's agent will demand to get an early extension. So... what do? The ideal solution is what the Ravens did with Lamar - when Tua stops being cheap you give Tua the opportunity to see what other teams are willing to pay him and promise to beat their terms if the contract is of an acceptable value.
Tua is worth keeping but not at a franchise QB price point. There's a $APY cap hit at which you just have to admit it's better to trade up, draft a new cheap guy and sign a journeyman veteran than keep Tua.
@@johnrossi3812its only one or two of them every year typically. I say stick with tua and hope you can draft more dogs
No rebuild needed. Just draft a QB. Texans did just fine. Don’t let Teddy and Skylar fool u. Those guys are terrible. Would love to see Justin Fields in this offense
@@johnrossi3812 He has at least two elite traits, which is rare. He's definitely worthy of paying and I'm sure it will happen.
It’s easy what you do with Yua. You throw him in a closet and lock the door don’t even tell him about the game
The Camp Half-Blood shirt is A+
Good analysis and spot on from what I've seen. His below average Wonderlic paired with average to below average athletic ability is just not a good combination to thrive in the NFL long term. Lets ride out the 5th year option, then cap hell hits us and we know whether we go QB rebuild or have the guy. I'm not confident we have the guy.
They hit those vertical routes at a very high rate all season long. That said agree with just about everything else you said
does Claypools route impact the discussion? it looked SO bad but I’m not as familiar with how that impacts the throw.
Bad route for sure but you can't throw that
Question? It seems that the cadence on some of these plays are predictable. I would assume McDaniels would change up the cadence. Am I wrong on the cadence and when they run the pre-snap motion hut hut go!? Defenses knowing the cadence makes their job so much easier
Miam cadence on the field might be real easy to figure out. Hut! Hut! Go!!
So the receiver does his pre-snap motion, the play is hicked. Maybe instead of him just taking off, have the Hill stop. Then use the cadence and they might be able to read the defense better? Maybe? I don't know? My content sometimes I don't say it right but you know the gist.
Ben Solak is on my shit list rn for basically saying the Bills were lucky to win the last five games. Discounting the win against the Chiefs because of the offsides, even though if that had stood Josh would get the ball back with plenty of time. Discounting the win against the Patriots because it was only by one score, even though the Patriots are a division opponent and still had a top defense. With Belicheck who has spent years trying to figure out how to stop Josh. Not to mention that the Pats got a lucky kick return touchdown on the first play. And discounting the win against Miami because they needed the punt return touchdown to win the game! Even though the Bills completely dominated that game. If James Cook catches the easy touchdown and if helmet to helmet is called before the half it's a very different story. And the game against the Chargers on a short week across the country against a desperate team who got embarrassed the week before! What the hell Ben! The Bills went from having a.500 record and basically no chance of making the playoffs to the second seed in the east. But he wants to say all those wins were fluky. A win is a win is a win. Usually love Ben's takes and analysis but ti say basically the Bills got lucky to turn it around because they should have beat certain teams by more is super insulting
tl;dr: don't extend him, but I'm scared of Tuanon
Tua is a 25 year old in his 4th year who was top 5 in every QB category the last 2 years. He is really good. We don;t nitpick other QB's like this.
Tua folds, not good QB
@@johnalmaguer7118 Moron
Miami's defense gave up so many yards to Buffalo which was expected. But somehow someway they were able to generate three turnovers and stop them in the fourth quarter to give the offense another shot. And now, back to back weeks the special teams has aloud a TD and a kickoff return to the 11-yard line. And then the failed two-point conversion. Which they should have never went for. These mistakes takes the breath out of these players sometimes. And with all the injuries certain players on the defense are playing 88 to 95% of the snaps. So in the fourth quarter they are beat down. But this is why you have an offense with all the speed in the world. What a shame. I will stop writing content cuz people get upset with me at times lol keep up the great work
Tua would be a perfect candidate for a more “middle class” QB deal… if those existed. Maybe he should look at Baker Mayfield’s career and consider it.
Ben please do one of this of Jalen Hurts 🙏🏻
Tua is a spot-thrower, much like Penix (except Penix has a higher ceiling imo)
Tua is a very limited, not-good Qb struggles with ints, struggles staying healthy, doesn’t light up the stat sheet even with Tyreek, Achane, and Mostert all having seasons for the ages. His vision is not good, his decision making is not good, his mechanics aren’t even good. I don’t understand how he is an nfl starter.
i haven’t watched the whole thing yet but i certainly hope you talk about the o line and WAR. the dolphins are top 3, if not 1 in the league for o line combinations used. tua has been disappointing recently, especially against the better teams, but a lot of the reason they play so quick is the o line.
Good morning Ben
Tua climbs the pocket because he cannot throw far with velocity ,,,
A lot of people are saying to dump Tua but where are the Dolphins supposed to find an upgrade over him? At best you trade a bunch of assets and take a shot on the 3rd or 4th best rookie qb in the next two years, or you sign a veteran to an insane deal and have to move on from valuable pieces. I think people forget that Tua is just 25, has grown a lot in the last two years and can still grow over the next several. He was given one of the worst environments in recent memory for his first two season which stunted his growth, but I think a lot of the issues we see of him shrinking in the pocket and not being a plus playmaker can be improved. Hell, those have improved versus the last season.
I have been saying this for the past 2 months. When defenses are disrupting the route running go to the hurry up offense. Not for the whole game. Here and there. And the scientific theory behind that is to not allow the opposing defense to rotate players, keep them on their heels, mess up their communication. Now that being said against Baltimore in the second quarter before the 2-minute warning that was a hurry up interception. Are there cadences predictable?? And when they do the pre-snap motion can't they design the play for the receiver to stop and use more cadence?? Just a question. Maybe they do it already, just asking. Although your film study it looks like it's very predictable
SHANNON SHARPE literally explained (on the dropped 92-yard TD pass to Tyreek from Tua vs DAL) that Tua was not at fault for the deep throw to Tyreek, which was dropped, because Tyreek did not properly adjust to the football, which he should have went outside the numbers with a slight outside release, which is why he caught it on the wrong shoulder.
Yea but what this dude is saying is that now the play has started and the route was ran incorrectly it’s on Tua to adjust. He must have assumed to just stay with the play. But why stay with the harder throw. Tua lacks consistent improvisational skills. That’s what holding this offense back
@@carlhenry3201The improvisational skills is something you hope doesn't happen consistently. Tua want you QB to operate efficiently within the pocket and be onscript as much as you can, but I agree Tua is inconsistent in creating out of structure, but I would say that quick developing routes because you're trying to get the ball quick of your hands because of the injured Oline and bad pass protection and, just being undisciplined getting away from running the ball, a balanced offensive attack, has been limiting this offense too.
@@carlhenry3201I disagree Tua didn't have the time to adjust 😂
@@carlhenry3201who should we trust Shannon the HOFer or this guy? 😂
@@FarOutAtl I’m trusting the film. How many times do you think Hill ran the wrong route with Mahomes but they still scored lol. Shannon is saying help your QB. This guy is saying make the play happen since you are the QB
O-line o-line o-line, if The had 3+ seconds to do whatever instead of 2.3 seconds things would be very very different. Not to mention the run game would go from mediocre to decent.
Don’t pull a Giants and back up the brinks truck.
I like the guy but his skill set is limited. He has no legs whatsoever and cannot extend plays which is something you need in the NFL in 2024. Honestly I watched the Browns and Flacco has better athletic ability and he's 38 years old. You have to literally make the perfect team tailor made to his skill set (quick accurate throws) for any success. To pay a guy like that 45 million dollars a year is insane...you'd be creating the Minnesota Vikings except in Florida.
It definitely puts a hard cap on the limitations of roster building. Kyle Shanahan lucked out because in like 5 years he got enough YAC merchants where he can scheme a QB with a solid arm who can be mobile to succeed. Sure he'd like a rocket arm guy too with athleticism but he didn't luck with one in the draft. Right now the feature of that Fins team is speed but its also been shown that when Tyreek or Waddle are out for games or even small stretches, the offense is not stressing opposing defenses as they would otherwise. If the Fins do sign Tua to big money, they can't easily surround him with like the B-version of the Niners 'Avengers' lineup on offense.
@@t4d0W All solid points. The only way this could possibly work IMO is if you gave him a brick wall offensive line...which ironically won't happen because you'd have so much money tied up in Tua.
Outstanding breakdown on the offense and the player Tua is and needs to be. I would love for them to go get Fields. If it’s one thing we know in his 3 yrs in the NFL is that he has the it factor to improvise. What he’s has been lacking is a great offensive system and coach to help challenge him to that next level and that’s exactly who MMD would be for him. Because that is exactly what he is for Tua. Fields to Miami, match made in heaven
It seems a running QB is the way to go.
Fields has wildly inconsistent accuracy not a fit for mcd
Genuinely embarrassing comments on the video. Whew
You were SO excited that Tua decided to not throw to his receiver who fell down.
Nagging about the cowboys throw is ridiculous lmao
What if Tua was the first switch passer, could pass with both arms. His father forced him to throw left even though he's naturally a righty. Could be epic.
Been wondering same
Thanks for the Josh Dobbs sell job. That worked out well.
This guy can coach Bryce Young into a rd 1 QB
Tua does not read defenses post snap, has a mid arm and can't run. That's not franchise material.
pLEAS MAN,.hE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN PASSING YARDS,.
Give the guy a little more credit,.Annoying~
Reading defenses post-snap is difficult because the way defenses rotate theor safeties late, drop theor linebackers back, and the way they cleverly disguise coverages. You make it sound like it's simple. A lot QBs struggle reading defenses post snap, and every defense is unique.
I see the hesitation. Mikey D needs to learn how to be more patient when calling a ball game. and then also the cadence crap. The weather in Kansas City is ridiculous at least Miami could run the football
It’s a trend to hate on Tua 🥱
What to do about Tua…??? WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE O-LINE, FANGIO AND THE SPECIAL TEAMS…??? Since Tua and McDaniels duo, the Phins have been in 2 straight playoffs. When was the last time that happened, spoiled fans are ungrateful.
Yep, some of the fans are ungrateful and crazy. This team has been lucky to sniff the playoffs in the past 22 years, and to go 2 years in a row is a sign of a bright future. When McDaniel starts having back to back 10 loss seasons than we can talk about changing the coach and qb
O line looked fine to me on a lot of those plays. Fangio?? Fangio been pretty good I mean what else u want from defense 💀. The reason they in playoffs isn’t tua it’s the roster is stacked and ppl don’t realize how stacked it rly is. Don’t live in delusion u just saw a video pointing out how tua fucks up and u getting mad at Fangio
@@barbiegirl9130 Herbert has screwed up so many opportunities to win or tie the game for his teams and no charger fans treat him the way some Dolphin fans treat Tua. We know what this team looks like with out Tua, just go back to last year in the games Tua missed, 1-5 and the one win was a 9-6 win, cmon. We should be thankful to have a top 10 qb finally.
Before I watch I'm sure this will be a fair and unbiased take.... never mind not watching
Typical Tua fanboy
@@Quay33 or a dolphins fan that knows the ringer is filled with idiots that thought Tua was a bust after his first two seasons and will jump on every opportunity to shit on him
@@eja35ozso when the dolphins loose on Saturday who u blaming it on
@@barbiegirl9130 injuries. No team has lost any where near as many injuries as the fins... Tua stays heathy all year at the cost of the rest of the team getting hurt
@@eja35oz Blud already got an excuse and hasn’t even watched 😭typical delusion praying for u
Replace him with Penix
Why not? Just keep cycling though cheap rookie QBs that can learn the system. Meanwhile you keep more money for stars.
@@Andrew-wb2zq that's exactly my point.. once the QB starts getting paid big bucks, it changes quick.
It happened with Russ in Seattle.
And we're seeing it with Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Penix won't be available.
@@zsefton everyone’s available with trades etc.
@@CD-gk9ix especially with an offense that is so system-driven like Miami or San Francisco. It’s more on the brilliance of the play caller than the quarterback.
Saying Tua arm strength is an issue and then later acknowledging that he can make those all the deep throws is pretty disingenuous. But, I’m gonna let you cook 😂😂
TUA SUCKS!!!! He's just good when things go his way, that's it. TRADE HIM FAST
We must protect Ben Solak at all costs.
Tua's had a surgery on each ankle, an extensive hip surgery and 3 concussions. He's one hit away from a career ending injury. Why in Gods name would you keep him at any price? Money won't fix him. Trade him, rebuild your team with the money and draft two QBs
I've watched the Dolphins since Shula's first press conference, so I know what championship talent looks like. Tua is not our problem...he has the arm talent and processing skills to win a SB, he reminds me of Bob Griese before Shula arrived and got the OL solidified with high quality players. In order to beat the top teams we need an OL and RB's that will allow us to run when we want to, not when they allow us to. Our current OL has one starter (injured) at LT and 4 backups. You aren't beating any top teams like that.
Steve not a disagreement here, I’m a Dolphins fan as well and this team has weapons and for a depleted OL they have been holding up this year compared to the pass( evidence of that is less sacks than last year). He has to step up his decision making like the elite Quarterbacks we know.
@dariodeane what elite quarterbacks
@@tonetell9956 I’m am only gonna compare Tua to his peers. So I would be putting a Joe Borrow, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Jalen Hurts. All playoff quarterbacks and good arm talent and game IQ
@@dariodeane they all suck except Lamar and mahomes
The third play you showed the cadence was very predictable
Why a whole episode on a bad team and a bad about
Qb
The Claypool route was awful at the end of the game. If you watch Miami all year you see this route and throw all the time. It’s pitch and catch. The route was horrific; needed to be flatter and in front of the defense.
I agree with this, but you know how it is with Tua if he throws a pick. No one's gonna care because it's popular to laugh at Tua.
Thats a weakness of having a spot throwing QB. If your WRs do not run near-perfect routes, the ball ain't getting caught or will be intercepted.
Blaming a WR5 who got here 2 months ago is WILD to me. Y'all need to open your eyes with Tua man. He can throw a pretty ball when in the right conditions, but the NFL is a fast and tough game. If you can't adjust or extend plays, you will never succeed.
@user-ck9mu7zp9q Also fair a point two things can be true.
@@user-ck9mu7zp9q First, not sure where you get the idea that in a Tua apologist, looks like you’re assuming there. Regarding the main point of your comment, I mean both can be true. Sure Tua should maybe exercise more care in that spot but it’s also crunch time and in some capacity he has to try and make a play. Claypool also needs to run a better route. Calling him a spot throwing QB is weird, that’s literally the offense no matter who the QB is.
@@adroit1967 He is a "spot thrower" because he throws with anticipation due to having a below average arm. Our whole freaking offense caters to this, which is why when plays break down, he struggles.
He is, by definition, a spot throwing QB. Nothing weird about calling him that. Other QBs have better arms and thus don't have to throw to a pin point spot and can judge how a play is developing prior releasing the football.
How does a 14 year old boy know so much about football? Well done. Just make sure your homework’s done.
This is mostly bad. With a lil good. You blame Tua on dropped passes than you also blame him for complete padded cause it’s not who you want him to throw it to.
Than you say he consistently miss the deep ball. Let me know you talking about last year narrative and not this year.
You stop the smack talk etc & look at his numbers when given decent players around him ffs 🙄
There's a quarterback in the AFC east that had to have the ball taken out of his hands because he was quote doing too much, and also he got a offensive coordinator fired this year. And we're talking about what to do with a guy that everyone insisted had to stay healthy for this offense to work.
Get the hell out of here.
You dont need to convice me about shit, throwin tyreek on that downfield vs 2 bills safety, thats an interception waiting to happen, tua didnt throw it coz he knows and sees it, u must b new to reading coverages.
Get rid of him. He can throw to a spot perfectly, but can't extend a play and hit anyone on the run. His best long throws are just chucking it and Waddle or Reek running under. The ones he couldn't overthrow are intercepted. Great kid but not QB.
He ca definitely hit people in stride and extend plays. He's not always going to constantly go offscript, which means there is something wrong with your offensive scheme, and plus he's a pocket QB. You haven't seen every dropback which is obvious.
@@iafigueroa91 four years of the same stuff. When behind he panics and let's it fly for an interception. He has taken more sacks this year, which is better than an interception but still not good. He lives in the middle and good teams shut him down every time. I blame that on McDaniel's too. He could help with a different game plan, but can Tua pull it off? Sorry, great kid not QB.
We're you a NFL Quarterback?? If not I don't care about your opinion.
Tired of 'fans' who exercise their great football discernment by picking apart their team. If you don't like the coach or the quarterback shut TF and find yourself another team.
Maybe they want there team to be better 😮
I dont like these videos because they are knitpicking certain bad plays in games where there are more than 24 dropback passes.
Tua is not capable of being a QB who elavates his team. He has a WEAK arm because he's right handed.
Put em on a carnivore diet. The guys so bloated he can’t throw. Not a great leader. Pass him.
bro, I watched every snap Tua took this year, he missed maybe 3-4 deep balls and hit near 20. What are we talking about he can't throw the vertical? I watched him to do it every week..
Not sure why Tua Dad train Tua to be a lefty. God created Tua to be a right hand, but Tua dad train his son to be a lefty. Now it call catching up on him. When god create you, don’t change his image. Now Tua suffered because of his dad. His not a lefty.
"God can't give us peace and happiness apart from Himself because there is no such thing." - CS Lewis
I don’t think you analysed this properly because what you failed to notice was that tua played a lot outside the numbers last season and made plays off script many times even in that beautiful win against the bills last year! He showed plenty he could do it! I think after the concussions mcdaniels and front office made it a priority to protect him and play this style which I think is very wrong in my opinion
Trade tua for multiple picks get JJ and Blake in return
PAY TUA PERIODTTT
Yup get rid of the good players and watch how the dolphins will be lucky to be 9-8 .. you think Tua can carry an offense?
It’s time to move on from Tua
He has no tranquility in pocket.
He's too limited and simply can't move the needle beyond 9-10 wins and an embarrassment in the playoffs. Is that enough for you front office?
As a Dolphins fan i say pay him. He's not good enough to overcome the insane amount of injuries they have, but you can win when he has enough around him.
As a Dolphins fan I say next year or the next is our final year of the window. Tag him after next year then reevaluate at seasons end… it could be a rebuild anyway at that point.
@adroit1967 fair i just have a problem with people saying get rid of him when overall he's been very good for the most part.
@@kb4231 I think he’s had good moments and bad moments. Not sure how I feel yet. It would be nice if it was clear we had our franchise QB but I don’t think it’s that obvious yet. It we might need another year or two to be sure but that’s also our window and it’s hard to change to a different QB at this point and get them up to speed for that window of opportunity. The only other option is a legit vet but there aren’t really any out there.
@@adroit1967 That is a good point to consider. I think some fans bought so hard to the Tua hype that they didn't consider he was just a very high floor rookie prospect. 4-5 years of his work is good enough to consider whether he's worth that big multi-year second contract. Tyreek is also signed till 2026 so this version of the offense certainly has an expiration date to it.
I wanted to like this video but this is insanely harsh on Tua. These are deep shots into double teams that are being nitpicked in a season where he threw a lot of explosives. It feels like you already have your biases on Tua and are looking for specific plays to shit on him. he has his flaws but missing a few difficult deep balls are not where its at.
if you did this for the Chiefs you would see Mahomes and MVS having this exact issue all year. Doesn't mean Mahomes is bad. Just means deep shots are difficult to consistently hit
The issue is where the dolphins ceiling is. They have a unique new offensive mind and peak tyreek hill, this is a window that is totally being missed and these opportunities don't grow on trees in the NFL you know? Tua just doesn't give them the floor or ceiling that you have to demand from your QB at this point in the competitive cycle.
As much as Tua limitations exist, the Dolphins issues extend beyond him. They simply have too many injuries at the moment. But the improvements exist and you can win with him@@yaroslav64
Brother I LOVE Tua, however these are completely fair assessments. Hopefully Tua can improve these moving forward. I'd say most of them he totally can (better reads on blitzes) while others he might not be able to (zipping ropes into tight spots)
God the NFL is week to week. A guy has a bad week, the media trashes him, ownership wants to get rid of a coach, and the fans act like idiots.
Such is the world of professional football. I'd rather be broke 😂😂😂.
What a childish way to look at the world
@@chiefw3573 I agree. Such a childish way to run a business. Everyone is put under a microscope from week to week. But when they do something good and win, they're put back on a throne. Go figure
this is a simple fix, bolster the offensive line. Doesn't take a genius to see Tua has very little time to throw before opposing defenses are on him.
Dump him - he benefits greatly from being not only having Hill but having McDaniel. Oh, he also has a 4x100 track team at his disposal. He is all about spot throwing and timing, disrupt that, he falters. He is very script reliant as well. Hill is retiring next year. Dump him then, dont tag. You want to drop down in ranking while building up organizational depth - grab a QB next year in draft or the following, depending on who's available. The Manning kid is coming out around that time as well. Stroud shown everyone that you dont need to surround your rookie with top tier talent to have success, with Tua, you need to surround with top tier talent to even have success. Sorry, that's the harsh reality. Great guy, wish it would have worked but it doesnt. We tanked for him and that's why you all are trying so hard to not see the truth. Oh, go take a look at his wonderlic test scores - lowest. Like really low.
I was with you until you mentioned test scores. Wonderlic scores don't mean much. Stroud did poorly and Fitzmagic set the record, but you'd guess the opposite based on their propensity for picks.
What…?
When was the last time the Phins been to the playoffs…twice in a row….??? It’s not pretty but that’s how you build to it. It took 3 years for Dick Vermeil to create The Greatest Show on Turf.
How does this have 17 likes that’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever read, CJ. Stroud is an outlier he doesn’t prove that you don’t need to surround your rookie QB with talent that philosophy is dumb
Alex Smith replaced by Mahomes despite all the regular season success. Carson Wentz replaced by Jalen Hurts. Shaun King was replaced by Brad Johnson despite taking the team to the playoffs. Hell, even Marino replaced Woodley despite a Super Bowl appearance. There are more examples, the point being it isn't unheard of going in a different direction at the QB position despite previous success to elevate the team.
Yet had it not been for him the Dolphins wouldn't even have a decent record🙄🙄🙄.
If only there was a QB available in the 2020 draft with an arm strong enough to make these throws...
True, one that performs worse under pressure.
Herbert is not that guy, he has a strong arm but lacks everything else
@@gregtrust5599Mike would drive tua to the airport himself if the Chargers offered Herbert 1 for 1
@@paranoia_xo bullshit speculation and Herbert ain’t that good, he crumbles under pressure more than Tua
Watching this guy piece together QB terms his teachers at the ringer taught him is painful
I am sick of the people who blame Tua for stupid things, I am also sick of hearing about extending plays, the new fangled words used for fake QB’s that are really running backs that can throw a football pretty decent…which is another reason RB’s are less valued, extending plays QB’s. I’ll keep my pocket passer! Tyreek as crazy great as he is has been a negative in the second half of the season, his drops and play calling that force fed him the ball to get 2000. Plus, what is your experience in football to even make such a video breakdown like this? Videos? Books? Never heard of a Ben Solek in any level football…way too many self proclaimed football analysts since rise of social media!! Everyone with a little football vocab thinks he is a video scout.
the buzzwords are insufferable
So we should listen to a guy who has cherry picked a handful of bad plays in a pressure situation on Tua's limitations instead of say QB School or All Things QB who have broken down hours upon hours of game tape from Tua in the last 2 seasons and have all said Tua is a great processor, can make difficult throws, is anticipating coverage and manipulating coverage? Yeah. You don't have a top 5 passer rating 2 years in a row, lead the league in passing yards and win 65% of your starts because you're a JAG game manager. This breakdown is negatively slanted to say the least.
What're you looking for as a football fan? You are not ever just gonna fall into a better qb than tua . It's like if you're not tom brady immediately, you suck.
Nah this was terrible. So much hate. Maybe watch all the dolphins games to give a fair assessment??
Mcdaniels woke ass coaching is old old old. It’s not working.
WOKE COACHING? My God you snowflakes are grasping at straws these days lol
Huh?
Tua has poor arm strength, accuracy, decision making, intelligence, and mobility. He does have a fantastic schemer and one of the best WRs to ever play the game and a great WR2 and two blazing fast RBs around him though.
Good morning Ben