BEST SHOTGUNS IN MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA FIELD TESTS WITH AUGMENTS
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- In this video we go over every Shotgun in Mass Effect Andromeda to find the best Shotgun out there. Also the Augments and Mods you should use with them.
The Shotguns we test today are, Dhan, Disciple, Hesh, M-23 Katana, N7 Crusader, N7 Piranha, Reegar Carbine, Ruzad, Scattershot & Venom.
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There's actually a pretty disgusting build that uses the pirahna with seeking plasma and a bio-converter (I forget what else) but you essentially end up with a stupidly OP shotgun that does massive damage, ignores range penalties and has unlimited ammo and can be fired on full-auto from behind cover with perfect accuracy.
I LOVE the Piranha as a secondary weapon. I'm primarily a sniping Infiltrator, but I also keep a Piranha handy and Biotic Charge slotted, so whenever I'm forced into close combat I just swap weapons and start pinballing around the room, unloading massive damage. I don't even have any points into the Shotgun tree yet and it's still massive.
Best thing about the Disciple is the weight. Makes it a decent weapon for anyone trying to carry a full loadout without encumbering themselves.
Crafted Piranha - seeking plasma system, bio converter, kinetic coil. All you need in this game. Effective at short to medium ranges no worries about ammo kills everything.
It does seem to work pretty well from what I've seen. Any idea if the seeking plasma reduces the shotgun damage at short range compared to the normal ammos or is it exactly the same damage except with no fallout?
wobblypops46 hey did tests on normal un shielded enemies. I couldn't detect any fallout in damage at different ranges. lvl x piranha bioconv + seeking plasma.
cheers
Yeah I've crafted myself one on my infiltrator and it's pretty godly, Fiends dies pretty quick at level 88, I just hope their health won't raise too much at lvl 132 and make them bullet sponges again.
I really like the Dhan too though, even though the dps is slightly less on fiends because it's not automatic, the headshots on normal enemies are glorious and it deals tons of dmg even though I've put biotic recharge augs instead of kinetic coils in it cause it's for my vanguard build.
It appears I missed this originally, sorry about that, I can confirm the seeking plasma does not drop damage off, it's kinda it's thing, straight and steady, thought tbh, at close and the close end of mid range I didn't see damage drop off with a piranha anyway, it's range isn't as much as a dhan at default I don't think but its close.
@Aesahethr You mention headshots with the Dhan, I had someone ask whether the Dhan does extra damage on headshot (weakpoint bonus essentially) and I hadn't looked for it in the past or had chance yet to test it, if you know whether it does or not i'd be very appreciative.
EDIT: After testing headshots definitely work with the Dhan on humans. I deal around double damage on head with it. I'm don't seem to get headshots on the sort of armored dinosaur monsters though but I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the gun or if head is simply not their weak point.
The Dhan can be turned into a sniper , to take down architects on Insanity.
Mine has two shots with thermal. You have to upgrade the combat tree and choose thermal clip size bonuses.
Dhan + thermal + plasma seeking (not plasma charge). = sniper
+TheAgentAssassin OK, that thinking and combination is bloody genius!!!
That with bio convert and life support tech skill and boom infinite ammo/clip size pop a tech skill to heal up.
Alternately, go with Pirhana + Plasma Seeking - you'll have higher overall DPS when you take into consideration the damage/fire rate, and not having to reload as often. Haven't tried it with thermal though. If you want more survivability, add Shield Oscilator to it so you regain 25% shields every time you empty the clip too.
+Justin Furrow
Thermal isn't great for Piranha since you reduce your clip size too close to the Dhan's own and end up losing on dps compared to it. Bio-converter however puts the Piranha slightly ahead of the Dhan, especially since it eats your health 2 to 3 times slower too, but it does have a slightly lower DPS though, The Dhan deals 86% more damage, but the Piranha only has 74% more attack per second. Still, since the Piranha is automatic, unless you're ungodly precise or spamming like a mad-man, the dps will be around equal and the piranha gains in other categories.
You never have to reload since there's zero reason not to use bio-converter. But yeah Pirhana + Plasma seeking is great.
Since i don't see anyone else mentioning it...the Scattershot has a property where the projectiles it launches will home in on a target at long ranges, meaning that every pellet can hit when fired outside mid-range.
This, combined with the infinite spare ammo, has made it insanely useful in the multiplayer for me. On a power heavy build the damage isn't as bad an issue either, since you can spam powers for damage and fill your downtime with shots from range.
I'm sure there's better weapons for that situation, but with my limited choices it really managed to shine for me.
Very helpful info, thank you :)
My set up is Reegar, which is useful against shields and Remnant, and Piranha with Seeking Plasma.
That means it's range is very far for a shotgun, and you don't have to aim well. Just unload and watch as the enemies die when you've just reloaded (because the plasma flies slower).
This set up was very fun on my first playthrough on Normal, and is required on my second run on Insanity.
I miss the M300 Claymore...
Or the wraith and geth plasma shotgun..😭
I'm playing a Vangaurd on insanity right now, and the Dhan with the thermal clip augment is the best I've found. It still gets 2 shots, and while it's cooling down, I can use my powers and melee. I don't really miss the shield oscillator, since I have one on my chest piece (which grants the shields on every kill, which is pretty much every shot) and the annihilation ability that gets me 30% shields back when an enemy dies in my field. I've actually been thinking about dropping that in a respec, though, since I'm finding myself with plenty of shields, and the other option for it is so good.
One thing that is being completely overlooked when you decided to skip the Vintage Heatsink: not needing to reload opens up new build possibilities. I personally have found that using a Vintage Heatsink Shotgun in a build with Backlash creates a great combat flow where you unload the gun, hold up the shield while the gun briefly recharges, and repeat as much as necessary.
Working on the N7 Piranha...
From all the tests I have done, the Regular ammo and the seeker plasma are the 2 best for damage. Sticky grenades are effect, but reduce the magazine from 12 to 5. The rounds do a decent ammont of damage but the reduced magazine requires reloading often to kill high health enemies. Better off with the Regular ammo or Seaker Plasma. Do not combine the seeker with the explosive plasma as it actually reduces the damage and fire rate significantly.
So lets get to the point:
After Testing with all possible Augmentation Possibilities, it easily comes down to either regular ammor or seaker plasma.
Benefit to Regular ammo:
Doesn't take up augmentation slot, so you can add another damage mode or something else.
Downside: You do more damage the closer you are so you have to be up ontop of an enemy to get the mose out of it. Makes it not so viable in Insanity.
Seeker Plasma:
Upsides:
Does A large amount of damage, regardless of Range. Allowing you to use the weapon from a safer distance and still deal a ton of damage.
Seeking plasma makes up for the loss of accuracy the weapon has so you land more shots and pellets find their mark more often.
From the Tests, it appear the seeking plasma does more damage, However this might simply be that the plasma is allowing more shots to hit sense they track the target. Regardless it means a higher DPS by a large margin at a distance.
Downsides:
The Shots have a slow travel time. Making them somewhat easy to dodge at a distance. Few enemies will be dodging though. Regardless the slow travel time is a factor to consider with this weapon.
Takes up an Augmentation Slot but worth it in my opinion.
Side Notes: DO NOT PUT VINTAGE HEAT SINK ON THIS WEAPON. The damage is unchanged and it gives you unlimited ammo. However, it reduces the magazine shots from 12 to 7... roughly. For shotguns, ammo normally isn't difficult to obtain. If you feel you need the ammo, go for it, but you would be giving up an additional Augmentation slot, and reducing the magazine. Better off reloading it in my Opinion.
+Dark Saint nicely reviewed, will consider the plasma seeker for my piranha architect build.
Cheers man!
Xaine's World Lol, be sure to watch the Rematch Video. I redeem myself lol
Xaine's World So far, amazing gun. Still playing around with others, but the Piranha has become my go to for most encounters. definitely a reliable damage dealer. Only Draw back is the regular solders dodge. great for everything else though. takes out almost any enemy in a single magazine
Woke uyp to the rematch on my sub list, will watch shortly :)
The disciple is one of those guns you really need to use in conjunction with biotic charge, but it’s by far my favorite vanguard shotgun. It wrecks shop against fiends and as long as you use charge against foot soldiers it will demolish them in short order. The spread is just so wide though as soon as you go back to a medium distance it’s not really effective. You have to just constantly be using charge to make it work but boy does it work well in that role.
rockin the Reegar at the moment, still not really sure about augs to use, but chucked on the seeking plasma thing and the gun keeps its' electric effect which is cool - and changes it to a plasma based thing so no ammo to worry about (not sure about any differences in reload times), aaand that +25 shields per emptied clip. Thinking of experimenting with those +damage given x circumstance met (thinking +dmg when shields are under x% would be pretty good).
is fun and works with my +combo build (RemVI, fire and some other element, skills invested in recharge time,+primers, + detonators, and that one that increases the chances of priming targets. party members included). fun build, just walk through with big bang combos and fun guns.
speaking of which - I chuck in augments to increase my (tech) power dmg, recharge time, combo dmg and combo radius on all of my equipped weapons (especially the melee weapon).
Im my limited experience the Disciple is the best. A great combo of accuracy power and versatility. I like the Kett one too but haven't used the Piranha which might be better.
+ggaccentc definitely give the piranha a go, i reckon you'd love it
Great ME:A videos man. I love your testing methods. Subscribed.
Fantastic to hear! I hope I keep the new vids to your expectations :)
i love the Carbine. have since mass effect 3
Good Content with solid testing result.
Aside from the damage of the scattershot, I believe its true power is in its reload time from 0 to 100%. It is less than half of a second and this is not an effect of remnant weapons, because Inferno and paw does not recharge this quickly. Scattershot might be the best weapon to trigger any reload effects from augmentations.
Happy to help, though on the scattershot issue, I found it was not 0.5, it would be if you didn't fully empty it, but from 0 its more like 1.7
The Scattershot becomes amazing if you give it a burst fire augmentation. This, plus incendiary ammo (slap a heat inducer augment in there as well for bonus damage), makes it way more effective against armour. I was actually surprised at how well it worked myself, after using the standard single-shot one and finding it to be as piss as you say it is. I decided to experiment with it a bit, and with the burst fire augmentation, it's actually pretty fucking incredible. I have been using it on a Vanguard build for a while now and have no trouble popping shields or armour. Then again, I do most of my work with Charge and an Asari Sword as well, saving the shotgun for CD periods. But I do recommend trying the scattershot out with a burst fire augmentation. The advantage of not having to worry about running out of ammo is pretty worth it, imo.
Playing as an Bionic Adept I love the N7 Piranha. I put seeking plasma on it, extra damage barrel, penetrating receiver and any mod for extra clip size. I carry it for those situations where bionics are not so good, such as against Destroyers, Hydra and this shotgun will absolutely destroy an Ascendant. His little floating ball does him no good.....just blast him into oblivion. The gun also eats up the Arkon's Archons Sword (however you spill that) . The Dhan is also very good but.....but........be careful and make sure you enlarge the clip capacity or enemies such as the Ascendant will regenerate before you can finish them, so the Piranha with its larger clip and high fire rate is my choice , just remember to manually reload so when you do run into such enemies you are all set to go. As an Adept things like the Bio Converter are not a choice as one must have Tech Skills equipped matching the Team Tech Tree for the Bio Converter to function. But I have never ran out of ammo so this is a non concern. I got down to like 10 shots left one time fighting the Destroyer in the Remnant Tiller and I think that is the hardest enemy in the game. So use cover and fire away and that Destroyer will go down quick.
Plus it just looks like a shotgun should look.
Cheers!
Yeah the Piranha is awesome over in most cases it's the joint 2nd highest dps weapon in the game and depending on circumstance for a lot of folk it is the best indeed, the only that beat it are the hesh and dhan with specific build but if you aren't using the bio it pulls ahead of the dhan mostly, do you have a seeking plasma in it? it increases the range massively, my piranha which i used specifically for the architects, didn't have bio in that as I had it buffed to such a degree that a full clip would obliterate it's leg before emptying lol.
I always used bio in my Dhan so never had any problems with it, if you nail the accuracy most of the time you can just sprint through masses of enemies blasting away, great fun as a skirmisher spec.
oh and the hesh and dhan beating it is from a dps standpoint, not utility, the hesh has a shorter effective range due to terrible accuracy and the dhan which it's joint 2nd with is good for shields with piranha being best for armour (armour being the one you want the buff for anyway)
Honestly the Reegar Carbine is my favorite
The N7 crusader was added in the Earth dlc for ME3 and quickly became my favorite (geth shotgun a close second), and I was suprised to see they left it so powerful in this sequel. It has incredible potency even at mid range as long as you take the time to aim. Add the decent clip size and you have a winner.
+219Thompson definitely an extremely satisfying gun that! Feels great to use
I honestly thing using the Vintage heat sink augmentation and trying them out with different shotguns and weapons mods.
My favorites so far is the N7 Piranha X with vintage heat sink and the ricochet augmentations and damage and penetration boosters added along with the melee damage rare up mods. tears through enemies very quickly and with me not having to worry about bullets and the recharge time when it overheats being shorter on a higher level one it's much more efficient to use.
The second weapon is the M-37 Falcon X
which also have the same build as the first gun and the ricochet augmentation it's surprisingly useful especially when you can get multiple shots out on a large group enemies before they can separate all the way. And it somehow works way better against the Revenant enemies. Take out Architects legs or amplifiers with about five to six shots.
The game does have a lot of problems but finding different weapon combinations is fun you get the hang of it.
+Wondering Jibril idd, think piranha took the leg out with 8 shots, will have to test the firing rate at some point, i have clip skills so was just one clip but with reload could be a different matter.
Xaine's World of you found any way to improve it let me know. It seems like it can have a lot of potential if it's made correctly I want to keep trying different combinations to see.
Good video, I've been interested in which to take out in the field for my first playthrough as an aggressive vanguard/adept biotic
Hesh is probably the only gun in the game that I can use to take down a fiend without having to reload. Good enough for me.
Personally I take the Piranha with ricochet and plasma shot (non-seeking) augs. its just fun peppering the field and watching the bodies fly
nice to see im not the only one accidentally smashing console command during combat !
+Ashley Goggs haha, its from my Naga, I've set up a separate profile for ME: A now that doesn't have NumLock on the scroll wheel, fixed the issue
yeh i have the naga too, i need to change the bind on it. I find i keep slightly nudging my mousewheel when switching weapons. I used to use that button as a quick switch in previous games so i was used to it and now it just pisses me off, ive died plenty because of it :P
+Ashley Goggs yeah just make a quick profile to get it over with and you're golden
this actually reminded me to do it now as im currently playing haha so thanks !!
+Ashley Goggs anytime xD
Awesome vid! Would love to see one on Assault Rifles, please put that up soon!
+John Charles Ceccherelli starting work on it as soon as I'm back in the UK, which is the 14th. Should be out on the 16th
The big advantage of vintage heat sinks, particularly for shotguns is that weapons with that augment appear to continue to recharge during melee and dash animations which interrupt conventional reloading which is very handy for vanguard builds. So against large armored targets like fiends, you can charge in fire a Dahn off at it face at point blank, dash back to avoid it melee. With the VHS you can continue to repeat with without stopping to reload.
aye I completely agree for a vanguard that's definitely the way, for all other classes though id go without which is why I noted as the main setup
Bio-Converter is way better than Heat-Sink since its reload every weapon instantly and don't reduce clip capacity
I have not tried out the bio-converter, I will have to give that a go. How quickly does that eat though health on a low clip-size weapon?
It's 5% per reload but even on low capacity guns like Dhan its not a problem. And if you really struggle you can use one tech ability what restore HP on every use when you have trait Life Support from Team Support tech line.
I basically play Vanguard with Charge, Annihilation, and Invasion. With Fusion Mod of Adrenaline Invasion recharge on every kill so my combat on Insanity looks like: Invasion from distance, Charge, 1-2 shots from Dhan and melee attack it a target is still alive.
The Dhan has been my shotgun of choice for platinum multi-player for some time now. It's light enough that I can carry a P.A.W. as a sidearm with no encumbrance penalty.
I'm still drifting in favor of the crusader, particularly if you use the infiltrator profile in conjunction. It works as a very nice precision weapon for close range.
Yes I was surprised by that little gem, it's kind of a midway between the Dhan and Piranha, quite enjoyable to fire
I know it's an old video but Iv just subscribed as I liked how you noted what guns you were showing in the video. Good work!
Awesome :) welcome to the channel dude!
Xaine's World thank you mate
very useful shotgun comparisons
thanks for the upload
Awesome vids. Keep up the good work.
Why thank you kindly :D will do!
the reegar is SO underestimated that thing is a beast especially with turbocharge add electric rounds and even the last mission on hardcore is a cakewalk the remnants dies like flies
It absolutely blows against anything with armor though.
Piranha plus Dhan my 2 favourites. I carry both. One augmented for anti shields and one for anti armour. And yes I also use the Piranha on the Architect legs
him calling the fiend an "eiroch" is driving me nuts lol
I thought he was saying “EYE ROCK”
It doesnt really matter. Fiend is just Kettified Eiroch so hes right in a way.
Very nicely done and very informative. Subscribed.
+gir1and awesome!
I'm finding a Piranha is good with a shield oscillator in the weapon and on the chest with a vanguard. Also a plasma seeking mod allows for it to be good while running and gunning. Move shoot kill and shields a generally up even in higher difficulties.
i love the piranha, goin soldier build with turbocharge and high clip size and damage, you.... just melts anything that if stupid enough to charge into close range towards you.
I definitely prefer the crusader. It feels like it has a lot of power behind each shot, while having a small spread which I prefer for accuracy. And the clip size is enough to take out 2 small guys before reloading(if u don't miss). And I think it's the coolest looking shotgun as well, I hate kett weapons.
I did rather enjoy the Crusader, lots of satisfaction per shot.
Pistols(non auto) are the best anti armour wep, for some reason.
+acetraker1988 I'll have to include a shotgun comparison in my testing for pistols
Piranha with plasma seeking and bio converter augments plus turbocharger skill is ❤️❤️❤️
crazyshizyo You're not original using Rizzits build
Owen Killian Who said i was? That and khrazegaming is where i got the build from and works like a charm 👍
or like anyone like me who played ME3... instantly saw the similarity and ability to recreate Turian + Piranha or... Geth Infiltrator......
Huntermode left a massive impression on a lot of us.... Piranha combos came naturally to me on day 2.
If you use incendiary ammo with the Piranha's large clip, beefy armored targets like Behemoths, Fiends and Hydras can typically go down within two magazines. I used it a lot in the midgame as Vanguard before I had a reliable PAW and boosted melee damage, but in the late game I specifically packed it for dealing with heavy armor.
+Steve Garbacz I want to explore going super specific with weapon types, mostly for armour ofc being the big bad, this sounds like a rather snazzy combination!
Yup, I appreciate the vanilla analysis you're doing on the different guns.
I thought the Dhan was OK, but discovering Piranha+Incendiary made it much more useful for a weapon slot for me. But I also play a heavy Charge and punch style, so I don't need the mid-range accuracy so much.
Very helpful vid - especially for someone running a vanguard at the moment.
One thing I did notice, In the multiplayer there is a smart choke mod for shotguns to increase accuracy but I have yet to see this appear in the campaign - anyone else noticed this?
+James Lee its not there, there are some exclusives for each mode :(
Shame, would love one of them for the pirahna in single player
+James Lee definitely, prob why i rate the piranha so much for architects, so big you can't miss lol
Who needs smart choke when you have seeking plasma? There's your added accuracy.
Reegar is the best imo. It just cut everything in half. Combine it with engineer archetype for the close range stun drone and you are gravy.
I'm all about the Reegar. It melts, no matter the target.
XW: "Shotguns are best used for close ranged obliteration"
Me: *uses the crusader like a sniper most of the time*
yeah, the differences within the types of weapons in this game are so good, the piranha is just epic with a certain mod (its been 3 years, i cant recall a huge amount of it), but there's a mod that takes away the diminishing damage from range, so it becomes a long range lobber of metal
Hands down the best shotgun is the Crusader because it's got best accuracy and hits enemies quicker my second favourite is the Dhan for high damage
The Piranha, followed closely by the Dhan.
Loving the vids, I actually love ME: A and I've been a fan of ME for years. It certainly is a bit different amd has it's mayor problems but the game only falters if you compare it to the original trilogy. I believe the story and the characters have allot of potential and by the end I had grown to bond and love most of the characters (specially Vetra and Drack, but mostly Vetrs :)) I believe this is the start of a brand new story, one that will be greater than what we have now. I believe this 100%. P.S. Keep rocking. hoping for a brand nee trilogy. :)
Awesome! glad you're enjoying them and yes! I'm loving Andromeda. I didn't play the original trilogy so can't compare and hadn't bonded with the previous characters etc, but as far as games go, this is one of the best I've ever played, it's depth is something I really love in a game, I like detailed customisation, none of this one size fits all everyone put all points in one specific thing bollocks lol.
It does have it's issue sure, but is to be expected with such a huge project :)
Xaine's World I actually didn't play original trilogy aswell, then after buying Andromeda tried ME2 but in my honest opinion despite all the issues, I like Andromeda a bit more, because it has the potential to become something truly amazing.A new beginning. The Rpg elements and the combat system are great, as are your videos ;)
Xaine's World P.S. i use cruisader with heatseaking. dont know why i just feel it works great in insanity.
kleintimmmy I understand where your coming from and, although I love the original trilogy more right now because ive had more ti.e to bond with the characters and what not, I feel like these characters, although not really explored in the same detail as in the original, could get me even more emotibaly invested in the future. who knows. P.S. I know the 1st game isnt the best but storywise and stuff I suggest u start there and do everything u can after MEA. It's a bit hard cause it has aged quite a bit it will be woth it.
I can confirm that the scattershot with shield osilator is extremely op with my melee focused vanguard build. I also have a shield osilator in my armor. I never even take damage to my health anymore
One thing you didn't really touch on here is how effective the Bio-Converter mod is with any small-clip long reload weapon. It
is extremely powerful if your build has any reliable way to get health back, like life support from the tech tree or the kett sword that restores HP on melee attack. I use one on my Piranha and it basically becomes an LMG shotgun hyrbid, just hold down the trigger and mow through waves of enemies, even on insanity. Even works on Architects.
+Nindydar Its quite a specialised thing requiring skills in tech, I also wasn't convinced with the bio converter at the time, though i am switching to that way of thinking, but in my build it won't be till level 35-40 i actually go for that skill.
Essentially if i was redoing the guide now, I'd probably put it in
Fair enough, it does lose some of its appeal if you can't get your health back reliably. I still think that it can be quite strong even without tech skills to force HP regen, just have to play a bit more cautiously. Personally I'm using the Kett Carfelon sword which restores a pretty good chunk of health on hit to help offset the drain from bio-converter.
That's a shame what happened to the Venom. That was my BOY on ME3 multiplayer! On my Juggy out in front, platinum difficulty. My go-to wrecking ball launcher! In-between Darth Vadering enemies to keep my hungry shields fed. What have they done to it between that game and this one?
For close range I reccomend the shadow sniper, since it remnant you can hip fire and still have perfect accuracy
Scatter shot + plasma charge system + shield oscillator. Your shields regard after every shot
+Marcel Wallace think I'm missing something, why would it after every shot? That wouldn't discharge the clip, unless you mean either use clip debuff mods or discharge then keep discharged?
This sounds either like an adept or insanity arrangement? This video was about the damage for the most part, that sound very specialised
If you add shotgun mods that reduce the clip size, that scattershot setup works. It burns through the "clip" in one shot, and then recharges after a second or so. In effect, each shot procs the shield oscillator augment.
It might be unintended, though, so it won't be surprising if it gets nerfed.
Xaine's World the scatter shot build is specialised for use with a vanguard build where you use annilation to get 30% shields back after each kill plus 25% per scatter shot and another 20% per melee hit, if you use the kett Flame sword each tick of the fire damage also restores 20% shields as well basically making you unlikable.
thanx for the info folks :), super specialised but in that situation insanely powerful it seems, cool!
Damage-wise, the scattershot IS bollocks, but the gist of the setup is survivability anyway, so the main damage dealers would be the powers at that point.
I've seen gameplays of the Piranha with the seeking rounds and bio converter augments on, and it's an absolute beast. Never needs ammo, but you'll have to find some way to regen health to feed the gun.
HESH with burst mode augment is a highest DPS shotgun, I think it was intended to be full auto like Pirahna so you would not be able to apply the full auto augment. Also this augment is usefull on N7 fastest sniper rifle.
+Phill Gizmo Actually it's not, the hesh with automatic is the highest DPS, and with burst it is dependant on level and target, the he's has bonuses Vs shields and armour but the Dhan only has shields, the Dhan comes ahead on most setup but only by single digit points and the piranha is the same for armour. Burst isn't the best for anything except the Dhan and that is ruined by the fact that a force triple shot is overkill. Also the burst is compatible with hesh.
Keep in mind the video you just watched was made far before the release of the fire type augments, I remade the shotgun video.
I've also since built a calculator that allows you to plug in all buffs that effect weapons from melee weps augments, wep augments, mods, armour etc to skills and see DPS and all other relevent info.
You can find this calculator at www.xainesworld.com/spwepcalc
Happy to help if you have any questions
You are right and have much better insight. What I was thinking is that stats of the fire mode augment should vary and depend on what exsisting fire mode you apply it to. Trying burst on automatic Pirahna I'm planning for sure, but full auto on Hesh I haven't because I was afraid that accuracy and stability whould dip too low. Do not all full auto guns have increasing spread the longer you keep the trigger? Shotguns are probably exseptions to this rule and they may be recoilless.
Still figuring out how to use your calculator. There are no glyphs to scan.
Hmm, I'm not sure I fully follow you about the varying dependant on base fire type, do you mean each fire system augment would have 2 sets of stats?
The best way to think of it is that fire type is just another stat, literally all it does is change the way the other stats are arranged, single shot is just that, automatic is the same as single shot pretty much except you don't have to pulse but burst is a funny one, burst has what's called a burst fire delay, each weapon has a burst number (the bullet quantity per burst) and a burst fire delay (the delay added between each burst set), the burst fire delay is generally based on weapon type, though the talon being a pistol has a shotgun delay etc, so for working out timings for dps you just have to take into account the burst count, then the delay then the mag size which is a pain in the ass with burst count as it's never multiples of 3.
The game mechanics are super simple, more so than you'd expect, except for stability, I hate stability, it isn't a solid stat, it's a culmination of a bunch of cone effects.
The Piranha is also more powerful without the burst, I wouldn't bother.
Spread no, recoil yes, but recoil can be countered with your mouse movements, the recoil doesn't snowball though, it is a consistent level of instability.
I'd recommend this vid for a good idea of the best builds, you might find it useful as a baseline to plan your builds ruclips.net/video/yoPDsTbgRlA/видео.html
It's kind of the end all of my entire MEA experience in testing, think I got up to about 300 hours just on weapon combination testing lol.
Always good to keep in mind though, that if you like the way a gun works and gain satisfaction, that should override min maxing, all weapons can be used to play the game, so go with what's fun :)
Also, lmfao, yeah the calculator is a bit full on, there's a lot of information to take in, once you get your head around it it'll be easy mode, it's just getting there in the first place.
Ok, let me clearify what I ment by varying augment stats depending from which fire mode you change. The same example: Hesh is a single shot with supperior rate (like Mattock AR), Pirana has slower rate but full auto, but the stats of the burst mode augment are going to be the same for both cases. Normaly single shots guns have a recoil, and that what makes them unstable in repeated cycling => spread. The burst mode stats of the augment are like they are ment to be applied only to single shot weapons, but you can apply them to full auto guns, but without reversed stats.
And bioconverter is an OP augment because with energy drain and Cora in your party regaining health is least of your concerns. It's like a chain mag upgrade, that doesn't waste any spare ammo (unless you manually reload). IMBA.
Off to testing.
Right, the stats wouldn't be the same with burst as the augment doesn't flatten the rate of fire, the triple burst it adds is fired at the rate of fire.
All guns do have recoil, it's just not so much that its not controllable. The recoil is consistent and doesn't snowball, it's based of rng to which direction and how far it recoils within certain levels defined by it's stats.
I don't get why you are saying it's like it's only meant for single, unless that's based off the flattened RoF confusion?
Bio-Converter is indeed over-powered, though dependant on the gun, it can easily kill you.
My skirmisher build focuses hugely on health regen for bio converter optimization, yet even with every skill for regen and stacked regen in places, some weapons can kill me, like the isharay with bio, it's a single shot, add bio and burst with huge mag buffs it makes for an insanely high DPS SR, but it kills you in 20 seconds
The Bio is lethal on low mag weps, I always used on my dhan which throughout its life had 2-3 shots, luckily they are powerful so only 1-2 per kill, still had to keep my eye on health all the time though and ended up focusing buffs to my shields so only the bio ever took health, everything else was shield damage.
I don't know about insanity, but I had fun in Hardcore by using a piranha to power up my punches (and vice versa) with the last perk in the shotgun tree (and every other perk I could take that made melee better). It was an infiltrator, so generally I'd pick some off with sniping, then charge in. I'm going to try it again with my new game plus with a Biotic character (they have even more stuff to augment punching :D).
+CylonDorado can even add a 10% multiplicative buff to the whole buffed melee damage by using the Ruzad, if you're heavily buffing melee, could definitely be worth dropping a bit of wep DMG by using the Ruzad for the melee boost
Tough one, since it still has stiff competition from the other shotguns, but I think I'll definitely give it a shot to have the ultimate Punch Master.
+CylonDorado good thing about this game is that not counting research, the materials are super cheap :)
Venom is not a straight shoot at enemy shotgun, he is a grenade launcher. It is best to shoot, after charging, at enemy feets or close.
I have a pre existing bias for the Disciple for my Vanguard and Adept themed builds. Next run I think I'll give the Piranha a try.
Far as I know it is the lightest shotgun (save perhaps the Katana?) which isn't a stat really mentioned in these overviews, so it's a great backup shotgun for a power- or Sniper Rifle-based build.
HellbirdIV more or less how I use it. Though I normally have a Hornet and an AR with most builds. High ROF has it's place.
I used the Isharay for near guaranteed instant kills, Hurricane for mid-range engagements and sustained fire, and the Disciple for close range and switching to a Vanguard/Explorer profile when I felt like getting stuck in. No idea if it's ideal, but it's damn fun to play.
Bio converter/seeking plasma N7 Piranha melts things. Still hits targets in cover, only misses if they dodge, spray and pray at mid long range while in cover. It's my vanguard's go to.
sweet, how does it go against an architect?
Hey, when do you think you'll do one on ARs? Using an equaliser atm, which I love, but the range can be killer low even at mid. I keep an Inferno, as it covers my mid and long range gun needs. The homing projectile mod helps, but anything doing more than a brisk walk can evade them xD
The AR is the next weapon video, but due to some pre booked plans a while ago I wont be around next week, so I'm trying to make a few vids for while I'm gone and the weapon vids take a full 2 days to make so not really something I can do until I'm back, but it is the first priority!
My personal choice atm is sandstorm with vintage heatsink, double mod and kinetic coil, it tear through kett faces, it's basically a mid range sniper rifle, as I've chosen that for at I'm tempted to go Vanquisher for snipe.
I find the semi auto precision high dmg shots are great, its exactly what I want from an AR
I'm sure I'll manage, cheers!
Thank you for the info
Great videos Xaine, do you think that the Dahn or Pirahna would benefit from any projectile augmentations?
some say seeking plasma, but I see no point in it, ive heard it does affect the dmg negatively, but other say it doesn't, but at closr to medium range, you don't need any extra, it's perfect the way it is :)
So seeking plasma would only be worth it if you only has a shotgun in your'e loadorder and want a little xtra range on your shotgun?
+Runs with buns not really, it can be used to fix both range and accuracy, if using the plasma charge a long range, the seeking can fix the arcing issue etc, there's a bunch of uses just a bit niche
Seeking Plasma works great for the Piranha. The damage doesn't drop off at all and it makes the weapon much more accurate.
The Dhan's projectile should be left as is. Seeking plasma increases the range on it but lowers the damage. I typically only use the Dhan up close anyway, and seeking plasma actually seems to hurt it's accuracy in close quarters.
very useful video
+peda mbr swisheroo!
Do guns in MEA have innate (hidden) bonuses? For example, in ME3, the Crusader had innate cover penetration, so it could shoot through riot shields and walls with no penalty. Do any of the guns have that sort of feature in MEA, or are we mostly working with the printed stats?
Great guides by the way - lots of fun to watch. The occasional counterintuitive result makes me wonder about the hidden stats.
+gnperdue Stability is the most notable hidden stat, but there are a few, like headshot and weak point bonuses, anti armour etc, some have values for those, other don't but it's difficult to know which, shotgun for the most part are anti armour, except for the scattershot I believe, stuff like that
Can't wait for a rifle video
It is coming just unfortunately not till end of next week due to some real life responsibilities I have, but it is in the works :)
Xaine's World
Damn, well it's gonna be ready for my new game +
Hehe keep up the great work!
I've been using the Dhan for a while and while the damage is amazing, missing a shot due to the slow projectile and the slight homing it has can cost me plenty of pain from surviving foes. The automatic shotgun sounds more appealing as less damaging shots fired faster means less "overkill damage" and more flexibility.
Dual Wield Dhan with Bio Converter would solve ammo issues. Piranha with Seeking Plasma upgrades the accuracy.
Seeking plasma really slows projectile speed down. It sure looks great but the way shots slow down before the target means they live longer. If the piranha brings good dps at close range to compete with the Dhan, that's all I need. Time-to-kill is something I prioritize over time out of cover. As for bio-converter, the loss of hp discourages me from using it. There are times when I'll need all my HP. I know there's healing besides the medkits, but I'm not sure how effective they are.
(To be honest its like the game forgot medi-gel abilities existed in the franchise)
Dual Wield That's where the Life Support skill comes in handy. Every time you use a tech skill, it regenerates health, more than negating the loss from Bio Converter.
Does it regen you back to full? And is Tactical cloak better off with escape artist because of it over the decloak delay after power use/gunfire?
Dual Wield It restores a good chunk of health, but a couple tech skill uses should restore your health, including Tactical Cloak. I don't worry about shield recharging with Tactical Cloak. Hell, I barely use it. Piranha with Seeking Plasma & Bio Converter mixed with Charge, Incinerate, & Turbocharge massively upgrades damage & fire rate, restores shields with each Charge, & restores health with each Incinerate use. Your firepower becomes overwhelming while keeping your health & shields constantly restoring.
I've noticed that you've under rated the scattershot. I watched a video where the guy was using it with the charged plasma system aug along with the shield oscillator aug. He also mentioned using mods that brought down the clip size to one slug so that every shot would give you 25% shields. rope a dope
+KIRA877 aye, the list was primarily as damage weapons, not really looking into insanity, which is what that build is for. Insanity content is coming, just not wired for that just yet.
Xaine's World but wouldn't it work on the other difficulty levels just the same?
KIRA877 He means that survivability and practicality are vital for Insanity. In the lesser difficulties it just isn't a practical gun to other comparing weapons and considering that survivability isn't such a big deal in the lesser difficulties, it just isn't worth it pay-off wise. Let me put it this way: Why benefit from shields when a decent piranha or Crusader can kill enemies before they damage you too much? In Insanity they do much damage so survivability takes priority.
Another way to word it is: Say you have a build that relies on tanking and all around taking damage but it uses weapons that don't dish heavy damage in favor of utility. wouldn't that be better suited for an Insanity Build? If you can't die easily you might as well go all the way. The Scattershot combo you are referring to mostly falls under the Utility.
Troy Evick but what if your build is one that uses shields to power your abilities
Will you be doing another test now that patch 1.06 is done? Significant buffs have been given to shotguns especially the ruzad. The damage values from them are significantly more satisfying.
Yes, unsure exactly how ill be doing it, but it will be addressed almost all weapons have been buffed to varying degrees
Interesting biotic (or tech) effect at 00:06. What is that, some kind of cryo-fog? Doesn`t seem to do any damage on the Kett. And I have never seen that kind of shield effect on the armor of my Ryder. Interesting build you have here :)
The fog isn't my effect, just very coincidental, if you look carefully, the fog already started appearing before I pressed for cryo beam, and my main use for cryo beam is debuffing armor.
Other power is also from tech and is energy drain, this is great for stealing shields as it not only take there's but gives some to me.
The other shield effect where I glowed bright blue with shield effects was from Cora, she has a power to creat a field around her that super charges shield regen for a short time.
On insanity the Dhan is arguably the best gun in the game if you mod it correctly.
what mods do you suggest for the Dhan??
Dhan + Bioconverter mod + Granade mod = unlimited ammo without reload time
You keep talking about chosen being taken down in minimal shot with rank 2, given that I am finding it takes me 2 headshots with a black widow rank 8 to take down a chosen, what difficulty are you playing? To clarify I'm playing on insanity.
I've always been a rifle guy just upgrade a single rifle and have some good biotics or something and your good.
+Darth Bane if you're going for less is more, a Shan with sandstorm would be king, sandstorm is a very nice AR which is good for backup snipe and Dhan is just king at close range
Remnant weapons and Augments need a freakin' buff!
Get your asses in gear, Bioware! Ultra-rare weapons shouldn't be shit!
Inferno and Sweeper are what i use constantly and they are great. Tried the shotgun - trash, just like Shadow sniper but hey, the other types of weapons have their trash like Avenger etc.
in the words of Samuel L Jackson: "We should have shotguns for this kind of deal."
I love using the revenant (AR) but it sucks so bad I'm going to get some copper and put the plasma on it hopefully it is good
The grenade augs work well with the revenant. Definitely go for a stock for better stability before any other mods, though.
Any recommendations for mods and attachments for the Reegar Carbine?
+iconnthecreator well it's already got a built in electrical conduit so augment wise just go bio converter if you have one spare then fill with kinetic coils, if no bio put a double mod extension to use the extra clip mod, if bio just use barrel and receiver job done, though personally for that purpose I'd use a paw or equalizer as the reefer is an anti shelf gun but paw or equalizer with electrical conduits is better
Thanks man! I'll try that out. I saw from some comments here to add the ricochet to the Reegar, might test that out also.
Hey man I tried the ricochet to the Reegar and it works!! Its a nice edition
+iconnthecreator awewomely saucem!
How about a piranha with grenade augment? + turbocharge!
Nice video, but by the end of the Day I don't have the answer: what is the best shotgun?
+Alasthors the result was to give you an option based on your playstyle, the piranha and Dhan are both better than each other in certain things, so if you like to just power and range go for the Dhan, if you want slightly more control over damage level and often miss a shot or 2 go for the piranha
Xaine's World what i was meaning is that your video don't really point this straight. We can figure that some shotgun are bad out from this video but not clearly which one is/are the best.
I don't wish my comment to sounds like a blame, but more a point of improvement :)
once again: nice video and usefull to avoid some mistakes :)
aaah I get you, yes I'm aware it's not exact, but that's kind of the case with this game, the best depends on how you do it so I don't think there is an exact best that is the best for everyone.
These vids are meant to guide toward making a more informed choice if you get me, no misleading was intended.
I like Dhan and Pirhana
They are teh sex in all honesty
Auto fire hesh is a monster
I don't think game developers realize that a real shotgun has a greater range than 20 feet
It'd be hard to balance if shotguns had correct range wouldn't it?
no there's a reason soldiers have rifles not shotguns a shotgun with slug is a good medium range weapon high dmg low fire rate (aa12 an exemption )with buckshot excellent short range average medium range weapon their you go ballance and depends on play style
Shotguns can kill your target at a fairly decent range... but only if it's unarmored. And since most enemies in games have some kind of protection...
In PUBG they do though.
You didnt mention the Talon. It may be in pistol category, but it is a shotgun in every other way.
+LegionVillain I had to decide between mixing up the categories and potentially confusing a lot of people or stick to how they are now
This seemed less confusing
LegionVillain Talon is the best shotgun. Carnifex is the best DMR
Disciple beats Talon, in my personal testing. Ultimately more damage (perhaps more pellets?) than the Talon at longer ranges. Definitely a great gun for this game, though. Same with the Hornet.
Haven't properly tested it in this game, but in ME3 the Talon with a scope and accuracy improving abilities had little to no spread. It was my favorite gun in that game, and one of the most powerful, one shotting all normal enemies through their shields on gold and most on platinum with the Turian soldier. Unfortunately, the scopes are weaker in this game, and I'm not sure they affect spread in the same way, since the shotgun tree has separate abilities for spread and accuracy.
+Phoboskomboa that may actually be why they put it in the pistol section, so the spread isn't negatively affected
I had auto tracking orange orbs on my piranha which was stupidly easy and boring.
Does seeking Plasma mod reduce damage? Also is it any good on the piranha or darn? Just seems kind like it might be fun, like a ricochet piranha would be if it didn't neuter the damage.
+Chris Apparently the seeking is great as increases range
Thanks! Any idea if it kills the damage a lot?
piranha with seeking plasma and bio converter is a beast, really. combine that with cloak's dmg buff and turbocharge, and it just melts stuff down in a blink, on insanity. energy drain as 3rd skill, just for keeping shield+health up. been going with that setup, run'n gun style, and works like a charm, high dmg constantly with very good survivability. pick a profile + gear for max weapon dmg, naturally. thats all.
JussiRu I would go with Turbocharge, Incinerate, & Charge. Make sure to have the Life Support skill so you heal each time you use a tech skill, plus you can detonate a combo while restoring shields with Charge.
Life support is mandatory for any spec that uses bio converter weapons, heh. Kinda assumed it is common logic. With Fusion Mod of Rapid Deployment the skill recharge speed is superb, and -15% weapon dmg (with avp perk) from that mod is no big deal compared to the benefit of having minimal cooldown on Cloak+Turbocharge, coz those are the bread and butter of this spec. Mixing skills that require me to go for melee range isnt something i like to do with weapon dmg build, personally, but, to each their own, heh. Cloak spec'd for weapon dmg and Turbocharge spec'd for weapon dmg + rate of fire i rather keep in that setup. 3rd skill is kinda optional. Few "good" choices for that would be maybe Overload for shield breaking , or Invasion for defense debuff on target, but i rather pick Energy Drain because i get health+shield regen in one skill, it has long range, recharges fast, and i dont have to necessarily aim at anything for it to work. Forgot to add that since this build focuses purely on high sustained dps with good burst capability, my combo dmg cant compete in this case with the weapons dmg output unbuffed. Eventhough if needed, Energy Drain can act as primer+detonator+health+shield regen in one package. No other skill in the game can do that in ranged combat. Thats my thinking process with this. Apologies for repeating some things, and for being vague about details in my first post. thats all.
Piranha + Heat Dumping Turbocharge, activate the ability as the mag is nearly empty and...
Well.
I don't use it anymore because it trivializes every single fight.
+Captain Lackwit yes, when you find a sure fire way to win every single time it get a bit samey :(
I shouldn't be able to take out three Eirochs in under a minute, y'know?
But I was.
It was boring. That fight should have been long and exciting! And the worst part was, it was more or less my fault.
Why do you post with that pause so we have to "show more"
Because you shouldn't be a lazy fuck.
Hello man, can you make a video for assault rifle?
+Michele Ottaviani that video is coming as soon as I'm back in England
thx for your works :D. Your videos are accurate.
+Michele Ottaviani nws :)
When is the assault rifle video?
+Ivan Upton starting work on it as soon as i get back on the 14th so no later than 16 night
My favorite on the whole is easily the Disciple. Lightweight, looks reasonably cool and performs like an actual shotgun, not to mention it kicks like a mule and gets upto 6 rounds.
I like the look of the Crusader the most, but don't like the slug. If Charging Plasma was actually worth a damn I would turn this thing into the Graal's spiritual successor, but unfortunately it is not.
The Reegar looks like a double-barrel shotgun, which earns it points IMO.
Have you tried the Talon, btw? It's quite a great little shotgun-pistol.
I have not yet, but will be relatively soon when I do the pistol showcase,
I've heard lots about it recently though
Having just tried it, it doesn't /quite/ measure up to the Disciple for me, but it comes close. It definitely feels very cool as a sort of weird revolver shotty, and the damage is really good.
And I've mentioned it in your augment vid, but the Hornet is easily my fave pistol. It's incredibly versatile, accurate at many ranges, lots of ammo in clip and storage and light to boot.
Keep up the vids, I've been enjoying the comparisons you do!
It's good to try them though, too many people make their first gun and kind of get too attached to it, that ends up clouding their view a bit, i'm a little like that with the inferno, so close to switching from that to the vanquisher, I was lucky enough to get a second vintage drop off mobs super early.
Hornet, Hurricane and a few others are gonna get put through their paces when I get the chance :)
And thank you, it's always great to hear folk are enjoying them :)
You forgot to mention that using the plasma charge(without any other projectile augments) shoots 3 pellets when charged with the cost of 1 ammo, a great grenade launcher and put it on the piranha and you have a venom that shoots like 24 grenades when charged lmao
Piranha with seeking plasma is so broken.
+jfts09 in a good for us way?
Absolutely. You can snipe at medium range with it lol. And the damage is crazy because every pellet lands. I use it with cloak and turbocharge and any enemy just melts.
+jfts09 awesome, I'm biased to the Shan and have been suggested to use that with the seeking as a sniper tote deal, might be looking into that. Same prospect, different DMG and ROF
+Xaine's World Dhan*, i always regret replying on my phone
Reager carbine I'd great
do ARs next pls
that's a can do, but it will be a little while, I won't be at my computer for a few days from Friday, so I'm building up a few videos for the between, these weapon type videos take a full 2 days to make so I cannot until I'm back, but ill make AR video the first priority when I do.
Instead of making you wait, my personal opinion is Sandstorm, it's my perfect rifle, it's high power, semi automatic with super high accuracy, ive just tested it and it's essentially a mid range sniper rifle, love it.
Xaine's World could you say what augments you recommend for the Sandstorm? Thanks.
I'm using Vintage heatsink with double mod and a kinetic coil for last slot, though a biotic or tech enhancing for midrange will benefit most more.
It should note I have heavy combat skills so huge clip size that negates what vintage heat sink takes away giving me 12 or 13 clip size, with this and sandstorms power and medium rate of fire, I often don't overheat as a clip takes out a good few enemies.
awww no augments suggestions?
+crimsondemonx aaah sorry bud this was a super early video, hmmm which shotgun? As a base I'd say skip the double mod unless you really want melee and use a bio converter as with the shotguns depending on the gun it can increase the DPS by 50% piranha is top then Dhan, iirc I made a second shotgun vid with full DPS charts and augments, fill with kinetic coils btw
Xaine's World the crusader?
+crimsondemonx I found it to be disappointingly low on the damage charts, I would go with bio converter and kinetic coils to fill or if no bio go double mod, then maybe aerial performance optimiser or equilibrium regulator then kinetic to fill
Xaine's World ok cool thanks
I was really underwhelmed by all shotguns in this game; and since vanguards are now melee focused, they're practically redundant. Dhan's damage per shot may be high, but DPS is pathetic; it's a real showcase for how bad shotguns are in this game. The disciple is the workhorse, decent in all fields, but again you're better off with an assault rifle. Compared to ME3 Piranha and Crusader were heavily nerfed; it's tolerable with the Piranha, which is still lethal at knife fighting range, but the massive reduction of accuracy for the Crusader is painful for those remembering it as an excellent skirmishing weapon, capable of reliably decapitating goons at medium rages - if that's your thing, you might be better off getting a hand cannon like the Carnifex, which is pretty excellent in this game. The scattershot would've been cool, if it didn't have lowest damage in the category, and there are far better weapons for dealing with long raged targets, maily in the siper rifles category; Reegar has the opposite problem with being only effective at really short ranges, you'd be better served by the Piranha.Still looking for a reliable method for dealing with armored behemoths like the Fiend types; best I've got so far is the Black Widow, but it's problematic in close rage.
Anybody know what shotgun Cora uses?
M-28 Shotgun bud
Should be noted that it's not possible to obtain it for yourself, it's an NPC only weapon unfortunately
You are missing so many shots because you aim down sight at all time, the shotguns are best for hip fire
+Murdoc Niccolas didn't miss that many, it was 4am though, and i accounted for any shots missed.
I find it easier to scope for shot accuracy
I leveled the scattershot to 8 just cause I had tons of remnant research and my god was it a waste. Gun is completely useless. (I'm on insanity) and honestly best shotgun for my build is a talon... With my Black widow and a P.A.W if I somehow run out of ammo.
Brock Neilon No its not. Use clip reducing mods and its golden with shield oscillator.
best melee weapon? looking for something extremely quick with low animation times.
+Hose Clamp off the bat i hear asari sword is best but i have not tested them yet
Asari sword does a lot of damage but it has a weird animation that teleports you back from the target before charging you in. There Is a Kett sword that drains energy from the target to restore the users shields which can be handy though it does less damage than the asari sword. There is also the remnant cryo gauntlet which is quick and freezes unprotected target but does less damage again.
+James Lee doesn't the asari give a very brief moment of invulnerability though also?
Xaine's World possibly during the teleport backwards. haven't looked into it enough
+James Lee aah could be aye