The opening was rough and it made me furious. My brother was murdered. I can tell you that what the families of those two girls are going through to this day should never happen to anyone. Evil absolutely exists. I hope to God I have what it takes to handle it when it comes my time. I will root it out and set it right so no one in my family need experience it again. This podcast, and others like it, are helping to keep everyone aware and awake. If you're reading this, keep your head on a swivel.
I think the call outs that Jocko makes on this guy Panzram's lack of empathy are what make him so evil and terrifying. I'm sorry for the grief you and your family have been through, I can't even imagine what that must be like happening to members of my own family. Stay strong and get after it.
I wouldn't be so arrogant as to think nobody in your family will experience it again. Good luck staying awake and observant of them 24/7. Even with you watching them good luck overpowering a man like Panzram unless you are armed and trained to use it when push comes to shove.
Agreed my sister was murdered by a serial rapist/killer in kansas 1996. It was a suburb of kansas city so those of us who know 1st hand that theres not only evil but some very sick twisted and savage people in the world! Crappy situation so if anyway thats dealt with this or been thru it just know you're not alone & if needed can always reach here and other platforms to connect with others who did as well!
On podcast #15, I’ll catch up to you fellas soon. This man is changing my way of thinking, I could list the differences in my life but then I’d just appear to be fishing for praise, the old me would be. So, all I have to say is thank you Jocko and much respect to all those who own their mistakes, to those who don’t make excuses, and to those who LEAD
Echo: *hugs Jocko* "It's not your fault." Jocko: "Yes it is." (1 million years later...) Echo: "But it's possible it is 0.001% maybe someone else's fault a little." Jocko: "No. My fault."
Damn, he’s really not trying to let echo have this. I agree that his upbringing created the base for what he would eventually become. He still made the choices he made, and echo gets that, but he would’ve been a lot less likely to make those choices had he been raised differently. Echo isn’t trying to excuse anything, and seeing it the way he does is a lot of the reason that we have laws to protect children from neglect and abuse, to give them a fair chance at being a balanced person.
My mothers maiden name is "Panzram" ultra rare name BTW. I am distance relative of Carl, true story. The name is Prussisn, our ancestors moved to Australia and the USA at the end of the 1800s. My grandfather who's last name is Panzram is probably the most ethical man anyone could be unbelievable nice went to church every Sunday etc Two extremes same name, with some shared DNA. Feel strange for me to think about this.
@lucabaki Character and intelligence are about 60% genetic, and the rest environmental. But I you read about Carl Youngs shadow self, you will understand everything human being has roots all the way to hell. So, given the right circumstances, most people can commit atrocities.
My favorite phrase that sums up the little debate: "The most sinister thing about excuses is that they're valid." from Tom Bilyeu. It says it all so nicely.
I love how theatrical these podcasts are. Like the lighting is harsh, it’s colorless, the mic sensitivity is through the roof, Jocko doesn’t smile, he speaks calmly and low, he pauses for dramatic effect and then speaks quickly.
I think that what Echo is trying to say is that cause and responsibility are two different things. From a personal perspective, it's extremely important to take responsibility for your actions. But for society as a whole, it's more useful to look into what causes a criminal to be like this, because this knowledge can actually be used to reduce crime rates. In other words, even though criminals are 100% responsible for their actions, preventing people from becoming criminals in the first place is more beneficial for society than imprisoning them after they commit the crimes, regardless of who's fault it is.
Nailed it. Too bad Jocko wouldn't give Echo a fair shake on a valid point. Ironically, Jocko, just a minute or two later, pointed to how people can make a difference by treating others well. In other words, he ended up agreeing with Echo, though I'm not sure he knew it at that moment. Echo also didn't do a great job articulating his point.
That was a rough video to listen to at the beginning of the new year but serves as a reminder to keep your guard up and be prepared, because evil can take many forms. Evil can start with just a thought if you let that seed sprout. I loved the discussion about the red light and the green light. I think it's useful to be action-oriented and when you see, green just go without admiring too long what beautiful shade of green it is. I could sense it on Jocko when he read the book, what kind of action he would take against the evil in those stories. Jordan Peterson had a video, where he said that the Bible translation of the meek shall inherit the earth is inaccurate. Instead, the true translation is: "People who know how to use the sword and decide to keep it in its sheath, will inherit the earth." Happy New Year to both of you!!! Congratulations on finishing your book on time. I'm looking forward to reading it with my kids.
@jonald32z I know that I have to find that podcast, I don't remember which one. When he was talking about the Bible translation that is so wrong and we believed it for centuries it made me think about what else we have learned that is wrong. Probably hundreds or thousands of beliefs based on an ancient text. Many concepts to discover and reevaluate...
Indeed. And in case anyone reads your comment and scoffs, they should know that the state bears no obligation to protect the individual. Plan accordingly.
The beginning story really hit me.. It's important to know this type of evil is out here, it makes no sense to try and hide from or forget the horrors of mankind. But man, I get too emotional when talking about this to others.. I just get too angry. I can listen to it, I can read about it but when I try to discuss this type of topic it feels too difficult. I want to make a change. I don't like to stand by as these things happen. I feel thats what drives my anger.. The fact that this goes on and I sit at home doing nothing.
you are tough and aware enough to admit your predicament. And that is better than a coward or a sociopath. Continue to search the roots of your anger. if you want to. sorry to give advice. I respect that you are aware of your feelings. but anger isnt a real emotion. it's always caused by something else. try to find that out. is it shame? fear? frustration? does this story challenge something in your masculinity? find that and you will defuse your anger and mobilize your energy to create with it. cheers!!!
I read his book. I learned about Carl from Dr. Peterson’s RUclips video. My takeaway from it is 1. His whole life he kept running. 2. People whose bullied is always trying to find revenge.
Big fan of the podcast. Just want to put it out there that Panzram was probably afflicted with severe borderline personality disorder or outright psychopathy hence why none of the torture reformed him but rather diminished him further into the pit. Would be happy to expound on the topic with you or you can ask Dr. Peterson the next time you have him on the podcast (which I hope is soon). I am sure he would be able to shed that light on the topic.
Jocko, losing the bubble resulted from your level being off in construction scaffolding crane and larger equipment. I'm sure that the Seal losing the bubble would be for sub lock outs but I always heard it in civi world being off center level being lost mentally or actually lost in process of construction.. TNJR
Often because good ppl are naive and do stupid ass, dumb sh!t. Others met the same fate and their family and friends enabled it, and share the blame. These girls did dumb, stupid sh!t, and were not the only ones... Good folk often think the best of others, even when their gut is sounding alarms. My own 35 years of experience bears this out.
Losing the bubble in civilian parlance refers to a carpentry term. The bubble on a carpenters level tells you if you are good and level. If you lose the bubble and it leaves the lines then you lose the bubble.
According to US Army statistics, the average height of a soldier in 1919 was 67.2 inches and the average weight was 144.9 pounds. One should remember these were soldiers so they were eating regularly and getting some exercise. In that day and age, being 6 feet tall and 190 pounds was quite an imposing size.
Some people are just broken regardless of how they're brought up. You can have great people born out of the worst case imagined. While on the other foot someone grown up in the picture perfect life only for them to be a complete monster.
So no shit there I was....Iraq in the Al Anbar Province in 2003. It was the beginning of June. All has been relatively quiet up to this point. I’m in the 3rd ACR, and we arrived ready to battle the Republican Guard’s elite tank battalions. That was not to be thanks to 10th SFG(A) and a crap ton of B-52, Fast Movers, and other air strikes. I digress. So here we are in the lull before violence started an uptick. Doing a presence patrol in order to keep the peace. About halfway through this patrol I saw him. We locked eyes through the crowd. He was back from the main body of the locals who came out to glimpse the American Troops there to liberate them from the previous oppressive regime. The eyes were lifeless black orbs. The beard thick and black as pitch. His gaze did not falter, nor did he flinch at our meager show of force. He was there to see his enemy. To get a measure of those he was destine to kill. For the rest of my days I will remember that face. Those eyes. The hatred. One week later we got into our first TIC. My friend and mentor was killed that night, and I was wounded slightly. That day I peered into the face of evil. It reinforced my beliefs in God, Country, and the American values.
Hey Jocko, I should like to see you read the Gesta Francorum, which is one of the original chronicles of the First Crusade, written by one of the knights or priests who was part of Bohemond of Taranto's army. Your accounting of the Scandinavian girls murdered in Morocco is a reminder of the things that have always happened under fundamental Islamicists. That very sort of thing was one of the main reasons why the Crusades happened.
Back to the "cause and effect" debate. Imagine you have a line of dominoes set up. If someone else knocks your dominoes down thats not your fault but at that point it is your responsibility to stop the chain reaction.
Dakota Taylor if I have a line of dominoes that I set up and don't want knocked over then it is on me to protect that line. If someone else knocks it over it is my fault because I didn't protect it adequately. It is also on me to stop the chain reaction, rebuild the line and mitigate future risks of someone knocking it over again. I must own EVERYTHING that happens in my world. Just as important though I must own the SOLUTION to solve the challenges that ownership brings. It's all laid very clearly in Jockos books on EXTREME OWNERSHIP and DICHOTOMY of LEADERSHIP.
Better to be aware of my surroundings, and take steps to having the necessary tools to help me escape from a bad, dangerous individual. Like handcuff keys and a razor blade hidden in my shoes. Because it's better to have those and never need to use them, to help escape....than to need them but not have them in an emergency.
Panzram was a straight narcissist. Victim of his own life. He suffered for his terrible decisions and inflicted that suffering on others.. I don't even think he was a psycho/sociopath just a bitter bastard who thought the world owed him something. The head trauma he sustained as a child probably didn't help either tbf..🤔 I read the book years ago, but just found this pc. 👍 Jocko for President 💪❤️
Carl Panzram was a monster but as much as any violent criminal he was a monster of the worlds making. When he was very young he was the victim of a botched ear operation (performed at home) which permanently damaged the parts of his brain responsible for the regulation of anger and impulse control. This surely played a substantial role in his delinquency, which resulted in his placement in a juvenile facility where he and other boys were subject to horrendous and repeated physical and sexual abuse. Throughout his life he would suffer unbelievable brutalization in prison which he then meted out to others. What he did was evil and by the time he was an adult there was no good left in him, but he was a product of the evils of his time, and a manifestation of them
The predator’s greatest weapon... is his smile. It’s his ability to twist your mind to believe in his victimhood. If you believe in his victimhood, then you simultaneously believe in your own powerlessness. That you are powerless against the forces of nature. That “good” is not within your reach to serve or know, but is something that must be given by someone or something that is outside of you... He fools you into thinking like him by constructing a false idol for you to worship, and look away from the source of good which is within. Then, as you weaken, he finishes. His smile is his greatest weapon. There IS always a choice. Good is sourced within all.
I have been getting better at taking ownership and using that ownership to solve problems in my relationships (work, marriage, etc.), but I took a stumble this morning. My wife washed the coffee pot and put it back together yesterday. We have a little Black and Decker pot that I programmed to make 2 cups at 0500 every morning. When assembling the coffee pot, however, she neglected to put the plastic cap on the glass pot. My morning coffee is now all over the counter, the water reservoir is full of wet grounds. So I spent my breakfast time cleaning the whole pot and counter. I opened the bedroom door, woke her up and said, "You ruined my coffee."
Regarding their debate on nature vs nurture... Echo and Jocko are both correct. In my opinion, Echo just was not expressing what I feel he was trying to say (which can be found at 1:10:46 - 1:11:12) To Echo's point: Parenting has an incredible impact on kids, as such being able to curve theirs kids into certain mindsets and styles of living (mostly). This is the "cause and effect" he kept mentioning. To Jocko's point: No matter the upbringing, everyone has a choice as to how they live and act. Blaming other people for your life choices is foolish. So they are both right haha
Just like jocko, i for the most part disagree with echos point. While it's true parenting has a big impact, it's only up to a certain age. It then significantly shifts to peers and teachers. Once they have good and bad influences, it's on them no matter how the parents are.
Parents who abuse, exploit, degrade, humiliate, manipulate, control, bully and model only unhealthy behaviors, attitudes and ways of thinking to their children are behaving in extremely undisiplined, dysfunctional, cruel ways and are unhealthy and uncaring, evil and don't learn healthy ways to behave, interact and don't learn how to respect or love.
Thank you for covering this topic gentlemen. It certainly must of been difficult. No one does it better than you both, as that act of barbarism had to be addressed. Those two young ladies were horrifically robbed of their life and youth over absolutely nothing but savagery at it's core. Most people can't understand why I choose to train rigorously. This right here is the precise reason. So long as there are savages who remain inhabiting this Earth that inhale the same air as I, I must be strong for whatever may or may not come. For myself, and more importantly those around me. Anyways, stay safe everyone.
My rule with guys is this: If I do not really know a guy...and I decide to meet him...it is only going to be in public places that are crowded, have people, are well lit and a better way to meet than going to a more isolated, deserted, poorly lit, darker place such as...his residence, my residence, a wooded area, fringe area, a beach, or somewhere that is not public populated, with other people around and it's always a good idea to tell people you know are trustworthy where you're going, who you'll be with and about what time you'll be returning..
I wonder why Jocko doesn’t read the part where Panzram talks about getting raped on the train by a bunch of hobos when he was a teenager. That experience was the whole reason why Panzram started to commit sodomy on other guys.
Losing the bubble as far as I know is a reference to the bubble on the base of a mortar. When you lose the bubble on a mortar tube it means your aiming anchor is so off it needs to be corrected asap. If I’m wrong someone please correct me. Maybe an 11C here could help us with that. 👍🏼
9:30 the book starts here and it’s brutal... I listened to the end and I had no idea a human was capable of that much pain. Like I get that Hitler and Stalin were bad but they weren’t the ones physically killing, it was their orders and politics.
What decided my entry into the military in 1996 was working for 3 years in Corrections, Special Operations. We had to transport 4 males to death row (aged 18-21 years old) who had raped and murdered a great grandmother, then were caught because they tried to hock her goods at a local pawn store. There are irreconcialables out there - as some you mentioned. Without the restraining power of the Holy Spirit in our lives (our conscience), all of us are capable of many shades of evil - as James 4:17 states - "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." Volitional acts of evil are sin; yet, what James tells us is a level deeper - "if you know to do good and do it not, that is a sin." As horrible as Paul the Apostle found himself to be - "chief of sinners" as he described himself (someone who stood by as Stephen was stoned to death), he found in Christ the capacity to be made whole - "and not of his works, lest any man boast." Unconscionable, evil people do exist - and that is where good men must stand and "speak wit the enemy in the gate," as Psalm 127:5 states; and sometimes must be accompanied by apprehending them for the protection of others. Romans 13:3 - "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil." We have a God-given authority to be a terror unto those who do evil.
I thought losing the bubble referred to losing level, as in using a spirit level. You know, the thing builders use to make things level. It is quite old. Older than submarines. The "dumpy level" goes back to the 1700s. But I could be entirely wrong. Very interesting video.
The one redeeming quality of mankind is that whereas there is incredibly black, vicious, sadistic evil, there are always those who would rise up and fight it wherever they find it...no matter the cost. Where there are dragons, there are heroes to oppose them.
Doc Murchadha the thing is you have to be as evil as them to beat them but if you do it you become as bad as them. It doesn’t matter if you kill bad people killing is killing no matter the motive but im not arguing with you im just pointing out you have to evil to beat evil so its not a redeeming quality more of a cleaning after yourself quality
Hearing this story about those Girls murdered makes my heart pause with Grief and Sadness..... and for anyone that pretends that Evil does not exist or can be rehabilitated, etc. is FULL of Denial and Fake Hope! The Devil exists... and it's stories like this that remind me GOOD must prevail over Evil.... and DESTROY IT!
Clint Emerson has also served in the US Navy SEALS. He is right about being prepared for dangerous, emergency situations that can catch you by surprise. He has seen a lot and explains that by being aware and taking control, having and setting boundaries and making wise choices is a good, healthy, wise decision that allows people to have disipline which allows them to gain more freedom. His advice is helpful, prevents problems from happening and saves lives. That is a blessing!
I’m new. I love true crime . So far , I like your channel. I believe every single baby is born innocent. It’s their environment that molds them. I do however believe that they’re babies with evil souls. That’s what’s proves there’s a devil as well. “ Spiritual Warfare “, from the git. 😢
The discussion/debate Echo and Jocko are having in the second half of the podcast can be clarified by Stephen Covey in 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. There is an important difference between someone/something influencing us and someone/something determining us/choices. Panzram, like all people, was powerfully influenced by his parents and early years, but he was not determine/fated/predestined to commit those crimes because of his parents or experiences. That was a choice for which he is responsible.
“I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.” ― D.H. Lawrence Minus blaming everyone, towards the end his mindset reminds me a little of this poem in a dark messed up kind of way.
Great one Jocko you are describing what Catholics bless em call the fallen human race ! Best pod caste to date in fact . But then the fallen sytems we devize can often take us further from God or the Truth , we need always to be open to criticism to contary evidence about what we have done as Iyengar says triggers our cosncience but not our- ego centric intelligence , no NO excuses . The problem is today we live in such a liberal way that no one ever wants to feel ashamed , or worse guilty. Lets not criticise little johnny.The Minesota state training school is and was not a Christian training school no matter what it described itself to be . 26:00 in YES exactly Echo Clever is the word, a secret desire to get back at but on the surface .
Back from my walk have never lsitend to one of your epic Podcastes but 1:48 Magnificent Jocko come and preach to those who believe they are "right" or in the "right " , there is the problem deep down it appears that he didn't realize or appreciate nor could he feel for others , agressive in deniial and one thing leads to another a small deviation and then something , this is how it start so the responsibility thing is buried under the inertia of emotions , the agressive self assertion , what i am trying to say is that he had so little self sensitivity and self awareness that he literally didn't know what he was doing, but generally yes "evil", the absence of love as St Augustine said , for me it is the inner man as Jesus said here is the real problem, the self deciet ,the endless justifcations that slolwy cauterize the conscience until even by accident a fight ensues and wham , or what would have happened on that video , you know the one where you put that guy out soemthing had gone terribly wrong what if ? What if he hadn't of woken up or stoped breathing or God knows , I mean I have just watched you given it all that for two friggin hours what do you exspect ? but God Bless you are a hell of a guy, good to see you laugh.... .
"Jiu Jitsu decreases the risk of being sodomized" -echo Charles 2019
Yeah, some Jiu-jitsu and some metal panties.
Spoken like a real man.
God damn, I thought this was a fake quote but I actually laughed out loud when he said it
"Wrestling is the art of raping and avoiding being raped" -me, 2011
Unless the other guy’s a practitioner. Can you imagine a better martial art to rape someone with?
The opening was rough and it made me furious. My brother was murdered. I can tell you that what the families of those two girls are going through to this day should never happen to anyone. Evil absolutely exists. I hope to God I have what it takes to handle it when it comes my time. I will root it out and set it right so no one in my family need experience it again. This podcast, and others like it, are helping to keep everyone aware and awake. If you're reading this, keep your head on a swivel.
I think the call outs that Jocko makes on this guy Panzram's lack of empathy are what make him so evil and terrifying. I'm sorry for the grief you and your family have been through, I can't even imagine what that must be like happening to members of my own family. Stay strong and get after it.
I wouldn't be so arrogant as to think nobody in your family will experience it again. Good luck staying awake and observant of them 24/7. Even with you watching them good luck overpowering a man like Panzram unless you are armed and trained to use it when push comes to shove.
This is John Connor
Agreed my sister was murdered by a serial rapist/killer in kansas 1996. It was a suburb of kansas city so those of us who know 1st hand that theres not only evil but some very sick twisted and savage people in the world! Crappy situation so if anyway thats dealt with this or been thru it just know you're not alone & if needed can always reach here and other platforms to connect with others who did as well!
@@ontyam the fux wrong w you?
there is a trident on Jocko's forehead.
For stabbing evil doers right in the ass.
No, he’s just happy to see you.
Yun Yang of course there is. Right where it belongs
Ugh... now I can't un-see it.
😂😂😂
Fully expected Jocko to say after reading about his prison workouts "This guy was getting after it"
THE JOCKO PODCAST MAKES MY SKINNY KNEES MORE MUSCULAR!!!!
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On podcast #15, I’ll catch up to you fellas soon. This man is changing my way of thinking, I could list the differences in my life but then I’d just appear to be fishing for praise, the old me would be. So, all I have to say is thank you Jocko and much respect to all those who own their mistakes, to those who don’t make excuses, and to those who LEAD
I started on episode one when he was on episode 70 or so. Got caught up, bought the book, never looked back
Echo: *hugs Jocko* "It's not your fault."
Jocko: "Yes it is."
(1 million years later...)
Echo: "But it's possible it is 0.001% maybe someone else's fault a little."
Jocko: "No. My fault."
Echo can be really frustrating sometimes. I do generally like him as a co host but times like this are rough.
1 second in- “there was blood all over the floor” yep this is gonna be a good one
Damn, he’s really not trying to let echo have this. I agree that his upbringing created the base for what he would eventually become. He still made the choices he made, and echo gets that, but he would’ve been a lot less likely to make those choices had he been raised differently. Echo isn’t trying to excuse anything, and seeing it the way he does is a lot of the reason that we have laws to protect children from neglect and abuse, to give them a fair chance at being a balanced person.
My mothers maiden name is "Panzram" ultra rare name BTW. I am distance relative of Carl, true story. The name is Prussisn, our ancestors moved to Australia and the USA at the end of the 1800s. My grandfather who's last name is Panzram is probably the most ethical man anyone could be unbelievable nice went to church every Sunday etc Two extremes same name, with some shared DNA. Feel strange for me to think about this.
@lucabaki Character and intelligence are about 60% genetic, and the rest environmental. But I you read about Carl Youngs shadow self, you will understand everything human being has roots all the way to hell. So, given the right circumstances, most people can commit atrocities.
My favorite phrase that sums up the little debate: "The most sinister thing about excuses is that they're valid." from Tom Bilyeu. It says it all so nicely.
Eloquently put
I love how theatrical these podcasts are. Like the lighting is harsh, it’s colorless, the mic sensitivity is through the roof, Jocko doesn’t smile, he speaks calmly and low, he pauses for dramatic effect and then speaks quickly.
I think that what Echo is trying to say is that cause and responsibility are two different things. From a personal perspective, it's extremely important to take responsibility for your actions. But for society as a whole, it's more useful to look into what causes a criminal to be like this, because this knowledge can actually be used to reduce crime rates.
In other words, even though criminals are 100% responsible for their actions, preventing people from becoming criminals in the first place is more beneficial for society than imprisoning them after they commit the crimes, regardless of who's fault it is.
Nailed it. Too bad Jocko wouldn't give Echo a fair shake on a valid point. Ironically, Jocko, just a minute or two later, pointed to how people can make a difference by treating others well. In other words, he ended up agreeing with Echo, though I'm not sure he knew it at that moment. Echo also didn't do a great job articulating his point.
@@justinschierkolk1594 Who taught you to think the way you do?
The title of that guys book should have been, "extreme disownership"
Or "Extreme Sodomy"
Ep. 158 is my favorite ever. Modern folks don't want to believe that evil is real Thanks Jocko
Unfortunately a lot of evil people are that way due to the upbringing from their parents. There are a lot of people that simply should not have kids.
That was a rough video to listen to at the beginning of the new year but serves as a reminder to keep your guard up and be prepared, because evil can take many forms. Evil can start with just a thought if you let that seed sprout. I loved the discussion about the red light and the green light. I think it's useful to be action-oriented and when you see, green just go without admiring too long what beautiful shade of green it is. I could sense it on Jocko when he read the book, what kind of action he would take against the evil in those stories. Jordan Peterson had a video, where he said that the Bible translation of the meek shall inherit the earth is inaccurate. Instead, the true translation is: "People who know how to use the sword and decide to keep it in its sheath, will inherit the earth." Happy New Year to both of you!!! Congratulations on finishing your book on time. I'm looking forward to reading it with my kids.
@jonald32z I know that I have to find that podcast, I don't remember which one. When he was talking about the Bible translation that is so wrong and we believed it for centuries it made me think about what else we have learned that is wrong. Probably hundreds or thousands of beliefs based on an ancient text. Many concepts to discover and reevaluate...
Panzram was the OG booty bandit
I likes ya and I wants ya 😂🤦🏻♀️
😂 “ It’s like... hey bro...”
Why to train and carry a firearm
Indeed.
And in case anyone reads your comment and scoffs, they should know that the state bears no obligation to protect the individual. Plan accordingly.
We are doing this, what others done us- Carl Panzram
Just bought both your books literally 10 minutes ago, keep on writing man your stuff is great
This and Machete Season are my favorites. The gross/dark ones are great!
Carl Panzram, sad but true. We reap what we sow.
The beginning story really hit me.. It's important to know this type of evil is out here, it makes no sense to try and hide from or forget the horrors of mankind. But man, I get too emotional when talking about this to others.. I just get too angry. I can listen to it, I can read about it but when I try to discuss this type of topic it feels too difficult. I want to make a change. I don't like to stand by as these things happen. I feel thats what drives my anger.. The fact that this goes on and I sit at home doing nothing.
The story about the two young women really hit me. I was listening to this while I was working. I had to turn it off because it pissed me off.
you are tough and aware enough to admit your predicament. And that is better than a coward or a sociopath. Continue to search the roots of your anger. if you want to. sorry to give advice. I respect that you are aware of your feelings. but anger isnt a real emotion. it's always caused by something else. try to find that out. is it shame? fear? frustration? does this story challenge something in your masculinity? find that and you will defuse your anger and mobilize your energy to create with it. cheers!!!
Go and listen krishnamurti
I read his book. I learned about Carl from Dr. Peterson’s RUclips video. My takeaway from it is 1. His whole life he kept running. 2. People whose bullied is always trying to find revenge.
Big fan of the podcast. Just want to put it out there that Panzram was probably afflicted with severe borderline personality disorder or outright psychopathy hence why none of the torture reformed him but rather diminished him further into the pit. Would be happy to expound on the topic with you or you can ask Dr. Peterson the next time you have him on the podcast (which I hope is soon). I am sure he would be able to shed that light on the topic.
Jocko, losing the bubble resulted from your level being off in construction scaffolding crane and larger equipment. I'm sure that the Seal losing the bubble would be for sub lock outs but I always heard it in civi world being off center level being lost mentally or actually lost in process of construction.. TNJR
This guy is the smartest, meanest , cruelest , and dangerous man ever!😢
I'm in love, with the stories, voice, and beliefs. Thank you Jocko & Echo👍🤗🙋♀️
Why do bad things happen to good people... it's beyond me.
Tribute to the Scandinavian girls. Rest in peace.
Often because good ppl are naive and do stupid ass, dumb sh!t.
Others met the same fate and their family and friends enabled it, and share the blame.
These girls did dumb, stupid sh!t, and were not the only ones...
Good folk often think the best of others, even when their gut is sounding alarms.
My own 35 years of experience bears this out.
His attitude is what our alot if our society has today, no Accountability
Losing the bubble in civilian parlance refers to a carpentry term. The bubble on a carpenters level tells you if you are good and level. If you lose the bubble and it leaves the lines then you lose the bubble.
This is how we should digest books. I will pay to have Jocko lead me through all of Lois Lowry’s books.
You guys have the most productive argument
Keep up the fight Lieutenant Commander.
According to US Army statistics, the average height of a soldier in 1919 was 67.2 inches and the average weight was 144.9 pounds. One should remember these were soldiers so they were eating regularly and getting some exercise. In that day and age, being 6 feet tall and 190 pounds was quite an imposing size.
Some people are just broken regardless of how they're brought up. You can have great people born out of the worst case imagined. While on the other foot someone grown up in the picture perfect life only for them to be a complete monster.
Indeed. It all boils down to personal choice. You can be born into a moral house but still choose to burn it all down
So no shit there I was....Iraq in the Al Anbar Province in 2003. It was the beginning of June. All has been relatively quiet up to this point. I’m in the 3rd ACR, and we arrived ready to battle the Republican Guard’s elite tank battalions. That was not to be thanks to 10th SFG(A) and a crap ton of B-52, Fast Movers, and other air strikes. I digress. So here we are in the lull before violence started an uptick. Doing a presence patrol in order to keep the peace. About halfway through this patrol I saw him. We locked eyes through the crowd. He was back from the main body of the locals who came out to glimpse the American Troops there to liberate them from the previous oppressive regime. The eyes were lifeless black orbs. The beard thick and black as pitch. His gaze did not falter, nor did he flinch at our meager show of force. He was there to see his enemy. To get a measure of those he was destine to kill. For the rest of my days I will remember that face. Those eyes. The hatred. One week later we got into our first TIC. My friend and mentor was killed that night, and I was wounded slightly. That day I peered into the face of evil. It reinforced my beliefs in God, Country, and the American values.
As soon as I heard the name of Louisa, I knew who you were talking about.
I saw the video.
The "Mother!" as she died really marked me.
I couldn't watch it. Just hearing you talk about it makes me want to wage total war.
Thanks Jocko and Echo for this podcast
Kinda feel like a bitch for being grumpy cuz my kid won't go to sleep. Really puts everything in perspective
Hey Jocko, I should like to see you read the Gesta Francorum, which is one of the original chronicles of the First Crusade, written by one of the knights or priests who was part of Bohemond of Taranto's army.
Your accounting of the Scandinavian girls murdered in Morocco is a reminder of the things that have always happened under fundamental Islamicists. That very sort of thing was one of the main reasons why the Crusades happened.
Listened to Goggins 3 on TeamNeverQuit podcast right after this episode. Mixed well.
Echo is loosing it when Jocko is explaining "loosing the bubble". Hahaha
I saw the hiker video. Pure evil. It brings fire to my soul
Back to the "cause and effect" debate. Imagine you have a line of dominoes set up. If someone else knocks your dominoes down thats not your fault but at that point it is your responsibility to stop the chain reaction.
Dakota Taylor if I have a line of dominoes that I set up and don't want knocked over then it is on me to protect that line. If someone else knocks it over it is my fault because I didn't protect it adequately. It is also on me to stop the chain reaction, rebuild the line and mitigate future risks of someone knocking it over again. I must own EVERYTHING that happens in my world. Just as important though I must own the SOLUTION to solve the challenges that ownership brings. It's all laid very clearly in Jockos books on EXTREME OWNERSHIP and DICHOTOMY of LEADERSHIP.
@@1fitRN I bet I could knock down your dominoes
@@1fitRN you didn't set up the dominos. You're given dominos. Children can't protect their dominos, hence the need for parents, family, mentors, etc.
Better to be aware of my surroundings, and take steps to having the necessary tools to help me escape from a bad, dangerous individual. Like handcuff keys and a razor blade hidden in my shoes.
Because it's better to have those and never need to use them, to help escape....than to need them but not have them in an emergency.
Panzram was a straight narcissist. Victim of his own life. He suffered for his terrible decisions and inflicted that suffering on others.. I don't even think he was a psycho/sociopath just a bitter bastard who thought the world owed him something. The head trauma he sustained as a child probably didn't help either tbf..🤔
I read the book years ago, but just found this pc. 👍
Jocko for President 💪❤️
Carl Panzram was a monster but as much as any violent criminal he was a monster of the worlds making. When he was very young he was the victim of a botched ear operation (performed at home) which permanently damaged the parts of his brain responsible for the regulation of anger and impulse control. This surely played a substantial role in his delinquency, which resulted in his placement in a juvenile facility where he and other boys were subject to horrendous and repeated physical and sexual abuse. Throughout his life he would suffer unbelievable brutalization in prison which he then meted out to others. What he did was evil and by the time he was an adult there was no good left in him, but he was a product of the evils of his time, and a manifestation of them
The predator’s greatest weapon... is his smile.
It’s his ability to twist your mind to believe in his victimhood. If you believe in his victimhood, then you simultaneously believe in your own powerlessness. That you are powerless against the forces of nature. That “good” is not within your reach to serve or know, but is something that must be given by someone or something that is outside of you... He fools you into thinking like him by constructing a false idol for you to worship, and look away from the source of good which is within. Then, as you weaken, he finishes.
His smile is his greatest weapon.
There IS always a choice.
Good is sourced within all.
I have been getting better at taking ownership and using that ownership to solve problems in my relationships (work, marriage, etc.), but I took a stumble this morning. My wife washed the coffee pot and put it back together yesterday. We have a little Black and Decker pot that I programmed to make 2 cups at 0500 every morning. When assembling the coffee pot, however, she neglected to put the plastic cap on the glass pot. My morning coffee is now all over the counter, the water reservoir is full of wet grounds. So I spent my breakfast time cleaning the whole pot and counter. I opened the bedroom door, woke her up and said, "You ruined my coffee."
At 49:10 A Breakfast Club reference. My favorite movie. Nicely done.
Regarding their debate on nature vs nurture...
Echo and Jocko are both correct. In my opinion, Echo just was not expressing what I feel he was trying to say (which can be found at 1:10:46 - 1:11:12)
To Echo's point: Parenting has an incredible impact on kids, as such being able to curve theirs kids into certain mindsets and styles of living (mostly). This is the "cause and effect" he kept mentioning.
To Jocko's point: No matter the upbringing, everyone has a choice as to how they live and act. Blaming other people for your life choices is foolish.
So they are both right haha
Just like jocko, i for the most part disagree with echos point. While it's true parenting has a big impact, it's only up to a certain age. It then significantly shifts to peers and teachers.
Once they have good and bad influences, it's on them no matter how the parents are.
Parents who abuse, exploit, degrade, humiliate, manipulate, control, bully and model only unhealthy behaviors, attitudes and ways of thinking to their children are behaving in extremely undisiplined, dysfunctional, cruel ways and are unhealthy and uncaring, evil and don't learn healthy ways to behave, interact and don't learn how to respect or love.
The “sponge” stops the electrical arc from burning skin
2:04:49 jocko straight up rejects New Years.
Charles panzram, brutal honestly.
Echo should listen to Cowboy Cerrone tell his near death cave diving story.
Loving it guys, thank you!
Lets go!!!! Jui Jitsu for Echo and Jocko is skateboarding for me!!!!
Damn. Super interesting topic to talk about this time around. Perfect to work out to.
One of my favorite podcasts ever, (Yours or any other content creator). I have said that about Cruise's character in "Tropic Thunder" for years.
This was a great episode
Happy Easter 2021
Can you get Rudy Reyes on the podcast? He fought in Ramadi the same time as Jocko and it’d be great to here his side of the story
Artic is south btw...
panzram took "extreme ownership" at the end though ;)
Thank you for covering this topic gentlemen. It certainly must of been difficult. No one does it better than you both, as that act of barbarism had to be addressed. Those two young ladies were horrifically robbed of their life and youth over absolutely nothing but savagery at it's core. Most people can't understand why I choose to train rigorously. This right here is the precise reason. So long as there are savages who remain inhabiting this Earth that inhale the same air as I, I must be strong for whatever may or may not come. For myself, and more importantly those around me. Anyways, stay safe everyone.
well said
Honorable man. We need more people like you
My rule with guys is this:
If I do not really know a guy...and I decide to meet him...it is only going to be in public places that are crowded, have people, are well lit and a better way to meet than going to a more isolated, deserted, poorly lit, darker place such as...his residence, my residence, a wooded area, fringe area, a beach, or somewhere that is not public populated, with other people around and it's always a good idea to tell people you know are trustworthy where you're going, who you'll be with and about what time you'll be returning..
Jocko is a G
Echo and Eddie bravo.
Look it up bro.
this one's great :D this one, machete season and #101 are my favorites
Losing the bubble I always thought had to do with a framing level.
that's the most legit BJJ commercial. EVER!!
I wonder why Jocko doesn’t read the part where Panzram talks about getting raped on the train by a bunch of hobos when he was a teenager. That experience was the whole reason why Panzram started to commit sodomy on other guys.
Awesome podcast though. Very different but I liked it
Losing the bubble as far as I know is a reference to the bubble on the base of a mortar. When you lose the bubble on a mortar tube it means your aiming anchor is so off it needs to be corrected asap. If I’m wrong someone please correct me. Maybe an 11C here could help us with that. 👍🏼
The name panzram sounds so metal
He did live a pretty metal life
It sounds like some type of nazi weapon.
@@officialyoutubecommentator4357 Lol it does, and he was of German immigrant descent
So metal! 🤣🤘
9:30 the book starts here and it’s brutal... I listened to the end and I had no idea a human was capable of that much pain. Like I get that Hitler and Stalin were bad but they weren’t the ones physically killing, it was their orders and politics.
This guy was a one man menace to society. Where ever he goes, serious crime follows. Constantly.
What decided my entry into the military in 1996 was working for 3 years in Corrections, Special Operations. We had to transport 4 males to death row (aged 18-21 years old) who had raped and murdered a great grandmother, then were caught because they tried to hock her goods at a local pawn store.
There are irreconcialables out there - as some you mentioned.
Without the restraining power of the Holy Spirit in our lives (our conscience), all of us are capable of many shades of evil - as James 4:17 states - "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."
Volitional acts of evil are sin; yet, what James tells us is a level deeper - "if you know to do good and do it not, that is a sin."
As horrible as Paul the Apostle found himself to be - "chief of sinners" as he described himself (someone who stood by as Stephen was stoned to death), he found in Christ the capacity to be made whole - "and not of his works, lest any man boast."
Unconscionable, evil people do exist - and that is where good men must stand and "speak wit the enemy in the gate," as Psalm 127:5 states; and sometimes must be accompanied by apprehending them for the protection of others.
Romans 13:3 - "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil." We have a God-given authority to be a terror unto those who do evil.
I'm not a Christian and I'm not evil. Shocking.
This episode really, really hit hard.
I thought losing the bubble referred to losing level, as in using a spirit level. You know, the thing builders use to make things level. It is quite old. Older than submarines. The "dumpy level" goes back to the 1700s. But I could be entirely wrong. Very interesting video.
The one redeeming quality of mankind is that whereas there is incredibly black, vicious, sadistic evil, there are always those who would rise up and fight it wherever they find it...no matter the cost. Where there are dragons, there are heroes to oppose them.
There are those that run towards the gunfire.
Amen brotha!
poor dragons....
Doc Murchadha the thing is you have to be as evil as them to beat them but if you do it you become as bad as them. It doesn’t matter if you kill bad people killing is killing no matter the motive but im not arguing with you im just pointing out you have to evil to beat evil so its not a redeeming quality more of a cleaning after yourself quality
"everytime you justify , another good in you dies "
How can u hate yourself without a conscience lol
Jocko Willink lives in a dream world
What do you mean? Please expLain
Hearing this story about those Girls murdered makes my heart pause with Grief and Sadness..... and for anyone that pretends that Evil does not exist or can be rehabilitated, etc. is FULL of Denial and Fake Hope! The Devil exists... and it's stories like this that remind me GOOD must prevail over Evil.... and DESTROY IT!
Clint Emerson has also served in the US Navy SEALS. He is right about being prepared for dangerous, emergency situations that can catch you by surprise.
He has seen a lot and explains that by being aware and taking control, having and setting boundaries and making wise choices is a good, healthy, wise decision that allows people to have disipline which allows them to gain more freedom. His advice is helpful, prevents problems from happening and saves lives.
That is a blessing!
Fantastic book, this should he a great one! Get some boys!!
Hearing the Moroccan story honestly makes my heart hurt like no other.. honestly I am now more fueled to join the military than I ever was before
I’m new. I love true crime . So far , I like your channel. I believe every single baby is born innocent. It’s their environment that molds them. I do however believe that they’re babies with evil souls. That’s what’s proves there’s a devil as well. “ Spiritual Warfare “, from the git. 😢
Echo looks JACKED!!
Just wanted to say that we do have English Muffins over here. We just call them muffins haha :)
The discussion/debate Echo and Jocko are having in the second half of the podcast can be clarified by Stephen Covey in 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. There is an important difference between someone/something influencing us and someone/something determining us/choices. Panzram, like all people, was powerfully influenced by his parents and early years, but he was not determine/fated/predestined to commit those crimes because of his parents or experiences. That was a choice for which he is responsible.
Ahh man that is scary, that I was thinking like Echo. I sometimes avoid reading D=F Field Manual so I can later cheat.
SEMPER FI......another great one. Strong work guys
It would be interesting to discuss this with Dr. Jordan Peterson for his clinical insight.
This is a good podcast. How to start of 2019!!!!
This book + Jordan Peterson @ Jocko Podcast, anyone.."?
Shit I didn’t even realize we were talking about a serial killer till I googled
“I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.”
― D.H. Lawrence
Minus blaming everyone, towards the end his mindset reminds me a little of this poem in a dark messed up kind of way.
Great one Jocko you are describing what Catholics bless em call the fallen human race ! Best pod caste to date in fact . But then the fallen sytems we devize can often take us further from God or the Truth , we need always to be open to criticism to contary evidence about what we have done as Iyengar says triggers our cosncience but not our- ego centric intelligence , no NO excuses . The problem is today we live in such a liberal way that no one ever wants to feel ashamed , or worse guilty. Lets not criticise little johnny.The Minesota state training school is and was not a Christian training school no matter what it described itself to be . 26:00 in YES exactly Echo Clever is the word, a secret desire to get back at but on the surface .
Back from my walk have never lsitend to one of your epic Podcastes but 1:48 Magnificent Jocko come and preach to those who believe they are "right" or in the "right " , there is the problem deep down it appears that he didn't realize or appreciate nor could he feel for others , agressive in deniial and one thing leads to another a small deviation and then something , this is how it start so the responsibility thing is buried under the inertia of emotions , the agressive self assertion , what i am trying to say is that he had so little self sensitivity and self awareness that he literally didn't know what he was doing, but generally yes "evil", the absence of love as St Augustine said , for me it is the inner man as Jesus said here is the real problem, the self deciet ,the endless justifcations that slolwy cauterize the conscience until even by accident a fight ensues and wham , or what would have happened on that video , you know the one where you put that guy out soemthing had gone terribly wrong what if ? What if he hadn't of woken up or stoped breathing or God knows , I mean I have just watched you given it all that for two friggin hours what do you exspect ? but God Bless you are a hell of a guy, good to see you laugh.... .