Obituary,or xecutioner as they were known then. They were first on a 'roadrunner' record, napalm death on earache, terroriser on combat, nuclear blast and peacevile in Europe and we even had our own scene here in Australia with some of the best bands that no one has even heard before. We had armoured angel, alchemist, archeron, misery, blood duster and plenty others that are just as good as anyone else. Death, sepultura, morbid angel etc, are realy more thrash than anything else but I just call it metal....good metal or shit metal, makes it a lot less complicated
Death invented nothing. Kreator's Endless pain was released before Death was searching for their masks they would use in the artwork of their debut. Also - every album Death has ever put out sounds the same. If you like one Death album, you like 'em all. If you hate one Death album, you hate 'em all.
@@Rekko82 I highly disagree with your last argument, every Death album has many differences than the proceeding ones. Even the musicians involved are different on almost every album.. For example You cant compare Individual Thought Patterns with The Sound of Perseverance.
@@Rekko82 youre so wrong about that last part. go listen to sound of perseverance and listen to scream bloody gore and tell me those are similar sounding. btw i love sound of perseverance, hate scream bloody gore
@@SlaughterEngine I agree. Cannibal Corpse is meat and potatoes death metal. I'll always love their albums no matter how much I branch out into other aspects of death metal.
Still with cc, you can hear a progression in sound change or musical change. Eaten back to life to tomb of the mutilated. Then they went more technical with the early 2000s stuff.
I would explain it by saying that the lyrics is art because it's like an horror movie, you enjoy the creepy factor of it. And musically, it's not easy to learn death metal, it's a very tough genre to play, even if you don't like it you should respect that. The vocals aren't easy to do either, it's a vocal technique that requires a lot of practice to be done right and don't hurt your voice.
That would be Malevolent Creation. Ten Commandments was pretty much the apex of 'death metal'. Death is extra heavy prog-thrash. Like Dark Angel, with musical competency. Though, Entombed fits in there somewhere, but is such an outlier, its hard to tell if it even counts.
I introduced my son to Black Sabbath and a few group's like maiden, slip knot many different genre's. And he really got into DISTURBED. He grew up litening to metal so i guess it was just a natural progression idk.
Jessica Jujubean I love Alice Cooper and death metal...since he raised you on horror movies it would be cool if you returned the favor and got him into death/black metal...maybe Dimmu Borgir would be a good place to start...their Death Cult Armageddon album is pretty damn amazing but they have a lot of other great albums too
Ive heard lot of people say that Reign in Blood laid the foundation for death metal and that Slayer were the heaviest band of their time, but I think Kreator's pleasure to kill was way heavier and a lot closer to being borderline death metal than Slayer ever were. IMO, Pleasure to Kill is still to this day, probably the heaviest thrash metal album I've ever heard.
you could very well consider Pleasure to Kill “proto-death”, just the title track alone has all the elements of classic death metal: the insanely fast paced drums, shrieking vocals, the slow kinda half time break, the face-melting solo. It’s pretty much a 80’s death metal song but with a clearer tone. You could say Pleasure to Kill is a death metal album made by a thrash metal band.
As a Loudwire expert I can safely say that Slipknot was the first death metal band, Ghost was the first black metal band, Rammstien is the only industrial metal band, and suicide silence was the father of rock and roll.
I love most bands mentioned here, but I also feel Necrophagia really deserves some credit as well. Great underrated band and their debut Season of the Dead is one of the first and a masterpiece of horror and death themed metal.
Death was prolific, but there's a lot of crap in there, too. Death is some kind of prog-metal. The perfection of death metal, was obviously Bolt Thrower.
I.M.O. , Death Metal invetion came gradually , the first seed being on early Slayer , Venom , Celtic Frost and Kreator , but the first (for me) "official" Death Metal register has to be Sepultura's "Bestial Devastation" or the first Possesed . One of these 2 . or both .
Possessed doesn't sound remotely death metal. Elements of black metal sure, but not death metal. The death metal grunt was invented by Celtic Frost, not possessed.
Sepultura "Beneath the Remains" has to be a 50/50 combination of thrash and death.I heard it the other day on RUclips and had forgotten how heavy and yet catchy it is.Awesome guitar work,so fast and with many a tortured-bend chord and note.
I saw that interview too! And he also ask the lead singer of possessed if he could use deep vocals like his in his new band death! And since they were friends he said sure!!! And the rest is history!!!!
For me Death are not only the Kings of death metal, but of all metal. They had the melodies, the philosophical and intelligent lyrics, incredible musicianship and where always harder and heavier
I’d say that the kings of metal had to be Metallica, only because of there sell out international fame, but yeah I pretty much agree that Death is pretty much on top
Death is the pinnacle of Death Metal and even Metal Music in general. Deaths Human, Symbolic, The Sound of Perserverence and Control Denied The Fragile Art of Perserverence - Chuck Shuldiner pushed metal forward and is and will be forever a legend in the Metal Community.
I was wondering why people never mention Sepultura " Beastial Devastation (1985)" and "Morbid Visions (1986)" and Sarcófago "I.N.R.I (1987)". D.D. Crazy from Sarcófago was the first drummer to introduce "blast beats". I.N.R.I. is one of the most extreme metal album of all time. There were lots of other bands at that time doing extreme music.
I graduated high school in '88 so I remember these days! I was able to convince my grandparents to buy 'Reign in Blood' (on cassette of course) as my Xmas present! This reads like someone browsing through my music collection! Great stuff!
Death's "Death by Metal" and "Reign of Terror" demos came out in 1984 and were very much death metal recordings earlier than Possessed's "death metal" demo. In fact at the time "death by metal" was recorded, the Possessed guys were doing projects like Blizzard that sounded more like AC/DC than death metal.
Chuck himself said that Venom and Hellhammer were instrumental in inspiring him to push for an even more extreme sound. He doesn't like being praised as the inventor or godfather of death metal because it ignores their contributions, but those demos are certainly death metal. As early as 1984. Although Seven Churches came out in 1985, it wasn't fully death metal even though it had elements of it. The fact Scream Bloody Gore was released in 1987, doesn't change the impact Death had on the genre, but certainly SBG was the first true death metal full length album release and paved the way for the growth of the genre, whereas possessed didn't really take it any further. Anybody who cites Possessed as inventing death metal by nature of releasing an album first is missing the greater context of extreme underground metal.
Three demos that were released in 1984: Possessed's first release: "Death Metal" demo Death's first release: "Death by Metal" demo Genocide's first release: "Toxic Metal" demo TF are you saying fanboy? John Becerra was the only one from Blizzard not all of Possessed members.
@@Goabnb94 The topic is who "invented", not who has the "bigger impact". Possessed started touring with big bands such as Celtric Frost and Venom already (in their teenage years!) because record labels thought highly of their different and heavier sound at the time that no one was sounding like them. Even Chuck himself looked up to them and stated that Possessed was such pioneers. I agree though that SBG is a better album than Seven Churches. But Death just redefined the already existing genre that Possessed already offered to the public before Death came to the bigger scene. Or maybe Death went to one of Possessed's gigs and step up their game.
Mike Torrao (Possessed): “We kind of got a big influence from Venom. We had no influence from Slayer at all. Everybody thinks we did but we didn't.” "Kiss was like my influence to play guitar and stuff. I liked Ace Frehley, the guitar player, and then I grew up on Iron Maiden. After that Judas Priest through high school and then I got into Venom and that's when the Possessed thing started happening."
Eumenideia 1 he was lying. He was influenced by slayer. No way he didn’t get in to them along exodus. They all played in the Bay Area and when you congregate towards evil sounding bands like venom, don’t try to say you didn’t get influenced by the best of them, slayer
Yeah it was obvious the Black Metal album was the influence. The records are nearly identical with an all solid black jacket and embossed letters. Plus in that interview he claimed they you use to call them selves black metal prior to Beyond the Gates. Death Metal was there copy cat anthem to Black Metal.
I find it interesting that you didn't talk about the fact that Sepultura's EP, Beastial Devastation had much the same vibe as these other two albums (especially Seven Churches). I know they were generally considered a thrash band, but their stuff evolved quite a bit over the years and their early stuff definitely has that "beginnings of death metal" vibe to it. And that also came out in 1985. I think some credit is due there.
I remember Venom, Merciful Fate, and Celtic Frost being referred to as "Death Metal" in 86 - 87. Shit was moving so fast - nobody paid attention to labels then. I also remember hearing Slayer on pirate tapes in 84.
@Brique Zallivam I wouldn't say it's necessarily a good point... The thing a lot of younger people weened on deathcore often don't get is that blastbeats don't define DM. They come from grindcore & only started bleeding into DM after grindcore got popular (essentially becoming the subgenre deathgrind... but the lines quickly became so blurred that it's like splitting hairs). I'd say what really prevents Sepultura post Morbid Visions from being truly considered DM is the vocals were more thrash & less guttural.
I always thought Sepultura never got the credit they deserved for being one of the pioneers of death metal. Most people recognize them as a thrash/groove metal band. Bestial Devastation EP was recorded in '85. That and Morbid Visions are death metal, some people refer to them as early black metal too. Either way they didn't sound like any thrash band that was popular at the time. I don't think they were really known outside Brazil til Beneath the Remains.
Killjoy (Necrophagia): "I started getting into punk when I was twelve and stayed there until hearing Venom when they started. Venom had elements of punk but with a whole new twist. I was hooked big time. And soon after, Necrophagia was created."
I saw Death at The Beacham Theatre when James Murphy had joined the band (all props to Rick, too, though!). After sound check they were hanging out in their 'tour bus' and even though they were always cool it was obvious they were tired so we all left them alone and hung out waiting for the show to start. Seemingly out of nowhere James Murphy walked out and asked the few of us that were nearby if we wanted to hear an advanced copy of their 'new album' called Spiritual Healing- we just needed a casette player since his advance copy was on cassette. We walked right across the street to my friend's car and James put the cassette in the tape deck. I think we got to hear 3 songs or so- that was f*cking cool. It's still one of my top favorite albums of all time to date. James- your rock man. That was the coolest shit ever. RIP Chuck- some unreal music you made man! Terry, Rick and especially Bill- you guys made the best death metal ever- Thank You All!
Venom Welcome to Hell in 1981 was the very first brutal, speed, heavy guitar riff, grunty barking evil vocals, dark and satanic death metal album. Many call it the first black metal album, well there can be 1000 metal genres, I call it the very first death metal album because there was no brutal, speed, heavy riff, dark metal album exactly like that before 1981. It was the very first, therefore the very, very beginning of the death metal genre that simply doesn't and cannot have the progression in sound that lets say 1986's Darkness Descends, 1987's Scream Bloody Gore and 1991's Butchered at Birth have, but it was the beginning.
I would put Hell Awaits WAY closer to Death Metal than Reign in blood. Hell Awaits has that beast Bass guitar and is full of bottom end! Reign has practically no bass guitar and hardly any bottom end, except for Dave's double kick. Reign has that polished and clean fancy pants studio sound compared to Hell Awaits' more garage-like sound. Reign was closer to Punk and hardcore with its 2 minute long songs. If anything from Slayer would be considered Death, its not Reign! Its Hell Awaits.
@@fuhrersavior9575 this is a better answer than most people gave in the video. Hell Awaits is more proto-death metal than Reign, and at least equal to Possessed and early Death. Also the first Sepultura ep and album shouldn't be forgotten.
In the early 80's, ('80-'85) we'd call it "Chainsaw Rock." That was the term myself and some of the other college radio station DJs used as we thought it described that music well. Friday &/or Saturday nights 10/11pm - 1/2am we played the hardest, fastest, loudest we had or could get from friends and other students. We even had a chainsaw without the chain, we'd crank it up and rev it up, on and on to start the show. COC (Corrosion of Conformity) was a local band then here in Raleigh, NC, but COC was considered more punk, however they did have a few songs that would've been considered Thrash or Death metal.
Death- Spiritual Healing was my first. I ordered a cassette from Columbia House music club because I liked the cover art. Now I’m 41 and still listening to death metal, deathcore, slam, thrash.
Can't believe no one mention Sepultura! They had a lot to do with early Death Metal stuff and the genre actually given the name. I think Max and Igor really laid down a foundation to follow on there own. Even if you listen to Cavalera Conspiracy today. That's how early Death Metal sounded. I remember hearing Igor's blast beats way before Death or Napalm Death.
I know Reign in Blood is the more popular Slayer album, but Hell Awaits had way more of an influence on death metal and extreme metal in general. That album was darker and more evil than RIB, if that's possible. Also no one ever mentions Necrophagia's - Season of the Dead. Released a few months before Scream Bloody Gore
Possessed is generally considered the first death metal band due to their more intense thrash style and the growled vocals. They were an influence on Chuck Schuldiner & Death.
I still remember the day I left Eaten Back to Life in the CD player downstairs as that's the only one in the house and my Dad found it. The look on his face when he saw the album cover was classic lmao. He was speechless.
I want to buy some Cannibal Corpse cassettes on eBay but I'm broke and if my Mom sees the cover from Tomb Of The Mutilated I would be embarrassed but I would be worth it. I own two Death Metal cassettes Spiritual Healing and left hand path then the rest of my cassettes are Thrash Metal.
We can safely ignore it. Back then the term was used to describe something different than what we today recognize as Death Metal, just like "power metal" was a common term in the 80's to describe what is today recognized as Trash Metal.
Now the basketball team Boston Celtics and the Scottish football team Celtic F.C we would pronounce the C like Seltic F.C. Glad I could help with your argument \m/..
Tom Warrior (Hellhammer/Celtic Frost/Triptykon): “Well, first and foremost, when we started we were simply a Venom clone. In 1981 when I first heard Venom there was no other music on the planet like this. The only band that approached the extremity of Venom was the punk band Discharge. Me and my best friend at the time wanted to form a band and hearing these bands proved to us that what we had in our mind was actually feasible. It encouraged us to actually form a band though we were completely inexperienced. We had just picked up our instruments. And because we were so inexperienced initially we weren’t good enough to emulate our own ideas so we tried to copy Venom and that included, of course, the lyrical content, which would explain why the early Hellhammer material is so extreme, so Satanic.” "The song titles, the riffs, down to our stage names - everything was copied from Venom. We thought Venom was the heaviest band, and we wanted to be heavier. Everybody thought we were a new heavy band, but in reality we were just a miserable photocopy." “To this day, I regularly listen to [Venom's] "Welcome to Hell", and it has never lost its utterly unique aura, extremity, and aggression for me. It transports me instantly to the feelings and images of when me and [former Hellhammer bassist/vocalist] Steve Warrior used to worship this album on a daily basis.”
@@luxinvitas no way. Don't know if you had listened to Bathory at all. They're quite different from Venom even though they did copy a riff or two on the first two albums. But when Under the Sign of the Black Mark came out it was probably the most extreme thing in music at that point. Venom sounded like a church choir compared to that. The darkest, fastest and heaviest metal album until Death released Scream Bloody Gore and even then there are some aspects in which UTSOTBM is more "metal".
Id say both Death and Possessed played an equally big role in it. The guys from both bands were good friends too and inspired eachother alot. Possessed laid down the framework, and Death followed it up with what we understand as the typical death metal sound today.
Death, possessed, kreator, morbid angel laid the ground work can argue for decades about who was actually the first but really does it matter, they all influenced each other, Chuck was even wearing a morbid angel T-shirt in an early death show, that’s rad, people argue about it like it matters who was first instead of being grateful these guys all propped each other up and built a scene
The great thing is that Death Metal was mainly created by teenagers: Venom: Black Metal (1982), vocals and songwriting: Conrad Lant *19 years* Possesed: Seven Churches (recorded March/April 1985), lyrics and vocals: Jeff Becerra *16 years* Death: Sceam Bloody Gore (recorded November 1986), lyrics, songwriting, guitar, bass, vocals: Chuck Schuldiner *19 years* drums: Chris Reifert *18 years*
As a Brazilian I would vote for INRI by Sarcofago as the First genre defining death metal album. Sadly at the time there was no internet so that others could enjoy overseas.
Kreator (Pleasure to Kill) ,Slayer (Hell Awaits) and Dark Angel (Darkness Decends) helped the blue print. Possessed and Death (Massacre) and Celtic Frost were the pioneers. Onslaught had a song called Death Metal, but it was more Thrash based. Kam Lee, Jeff Becera, Chuck Schuldner and Tom G. Warrior were the original vocalists of DM ( along with Mike Browning, Evil D and Lee Dorian (although he's more Hardcore).
Paul Speckmann (Master/Death Strike/War Cry): "We started out playing this doom, Sabbathy kind of stuff, and around that time I discovered a 7” single from Venom-“Live like an Angel, Die like a Devil” and “In League with Satan” on the back of it. That changed my life. Bill Schmidt was fired from War Cry and he spoke to me about doing something heavier. I showed him the single and it changed his life as well. At the time, we started listening to Motorhead, more Sabbath, Slayer was around, but Venom was the band that spurned me to play more aggressive music.”
Yeah Buddy. So damn right. These early bands created the path for all the other fine bands. I‘ ve watched two or three shows with Paul Speckman in the last years. These bands made me remember that in the past fans and band had been „the show“. Today : flawless shows, bored and stuffed fans , holding their fucking smartphones up for filmin the god damn shows.
VENOM started the ball rolling, they were so fucking insane when they arrived on the scene, they opened Metal up to a whole knew direction. Early Maiden and Motörhead, mixed punk and Metal, created that wave, and while they were taking off, then Venom came out of nowhere, it was so brutal to a then 16 year old, opened my mind, early Kreator, Possessed, and Slayer, then pushed faster and more extreme. What a time to be alive!
I agree. They were the very first brutal, speed, heavy guitar riff, grunty evil vocals, dark and satanic metal band with Welcome to Hell in 1981. Many call it the first black metal album, I call it the very first death metal album because there was no metal album exactly like that before 1981. It was the very first, therefore the very, very beginning of the death metal genre.
My Vote is for Possessed! MY LIFE CHANGED in 1986 (or so, still a bit foggy) when I saw my first death metal show - Possessed in a small 250 person bar in Colorado Springs, CO. Larry Leland turned his guitar neck down to me and cut my forehead with his guitar string and I had blood streaming down my face (really, probably trickling, but) I was turned! It is a perfect memory of that moment when I committed my life to the genre, the culture, and the purity of death metal. I am 53 now and still go to as many shows as I possibly can. That moment made me, no FORGED me into the metalhead I am today! OH, FATHER, OH SATAN, OH SUN!
There were a lot of thrash bands who constantly pushed the boundaries and set the foundation for extreme metal (especially death and black): you got your Sepultura’s “Morbid Visions”, Sodom’s “In The Sign of Evil” and Kreator’s “Endless Pain” are definitely black metal inspirations, whereas “Pleasure to Kill” and Slayer’s “Hell Awaits” gave that gritty death metal sound life. You also have your more underground material like Sarcofago’s “INRI”, Morbid Saint’s “Spectrum of Death”, Protector’s “Golum” has that brutal thrash feel that they took a step further in “Urm the Mad”, obviously Celtic Frost and Bathory who you could say were extreme thrash with their first records (“Bathory” is pretty much thrash, black and a little death all in one amazing mix, while “Morbid Tales” is pretty much blackened thrash). To me thrash, death and black are the three metal genres with the most ties, and back in the 80’s the three helped each other rise all over the world. Sometimes I think about how, since thrash is my favourite, it’s always been easy to me to listen to death/black bands without having to “adapt” to the sound, like with other subgenres.
Interviewer: "Chuck, a lot of people credit you with starting the death metal scene, the death metal genera. What do you think when they say that?" Chuck Schuldiner: "Well, it’s definitely flattering, but I really can’t consider myself to have started it. In my opinion Venom were the first - to have the brutal vocal style, tuning low their instruments, that initial brutal aggression. But I think that maybe I’ve kept it going to what death metal is today, as a lot of those older bands are no longer going, like Venom; and I guess I picked up where they left off, and I’m still in there luckily.”
Eumenideia 1 THANK YOU. Chuck even claims it was every contemporary of his around him that started it before he did. People never want to give bands like Napalm Death and Kreator their credit for pushing it to where Death got the influence to take it there
@@FourBudgies87 For that matter one could go back to Black Sabbath. I don't think there is a definite point where it started. We're all standing on the shoulders of giants.
My first death metal album was Spiritual Healing. My buddy wasn't really into it and offered to trade it for my Haunting The Chapel. We did the tape swap and I was immediately hooked.
Enough of that seven churches was the first death metal. Possessed was just a sketchy edgy thrash band. The first death metal was scream bloody gore. It has a very good atmosphere. If you listen to it, it sounds like it was actually recorded in a hellish crypt by some damned evil intentions. It's pure evilness. If you could smell a record it would smell like rotten musty flesh. And no one did anything like that before and that's all that matters.
Possessed was a seminal and influential band but they weren’t death metal. Scream Bloody Gore is the first proper death metal album as we know the genre today.
I saw Possessed and Death at L'Amour in Brooklyn NY Dark Angel "Darkness Descends" tour as well Also Slayer Show no Mercy , Hell Awaits ,Reign in blood
There is mors to the genre than just the name. Seven Churches always seemed like more thrash, proto death at best. Scream Bloody Gore really defined genre in its purest form.
You can't forget that Death had released the demos Death by Metal and Reign of Terror in 1984. Take a listen, they are on RUclips, and they are defintely death metal, contrasted to Possessed which is a mix of thrash and death. Can anybody definitively say that the track Death Metal named the genre, and not Death, or the fact there is a death metal band called Death, and a song called Death Metal, and they sing about death, so it just makes logical sense to call it that.
I think this is kinda like a similar argument to who really invented Heavy Metal. We know there was some heavy metal elements before Sabbath with bands like Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, The Who, even the Beatles in a couple songs, but no one can say that those are Heavy Metal bands, that’s when Sabbath took it to another level and established that particular sound and style, thus, being the true creators of Heavy Metal. With Death Metal before it was considered a thing you had Possessed, Celtic Frost, etc, with elements of Death Metal but a little over shadowed by a clear influence of Thrash Metal, but Death took it to a whole new level with Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy and established what Death Metal really sounds like followed by Morbid Angel’s debut, and that’s when other bands started to pick up on that. For me that’s why just like with Sabbath and Heavy Metal, Death is the creator of Death Metal as we know it. Heck, it’s even on the name of the band! And we are just talking about official records, and not even counting the demos that we’re made back in 83 that Death did as “Mantas”, if you ask me that sounds pretty Death Metal to me.
I second Matt Pike (one of the greatest metal guitarists ever in his own right) on Celtic Frost being pivotal. The tone is much sludgier than most thrash, and has a chaotic unpredictability that unimaginative people would call amateur but is totally unique. Also, his vocals went to a greater extreme
Morbid Angel played Mercyful Fate covers way back in the day so that definitely says something. Corpsegrinder also said MF "Don't Break the Oath" is his all time favorite Metal album.
Whoever “invented” it is whoever did it first, not whoever had the first big album of nothing but that lol. The Beatles didnt invent Rock & Roll, they were the first to make Rock. Judas Priest wasn’t the first to make Heavy Metal (nor was Sabbath) but they were he first to make Metal. Black Flag didnt invent Punk, but they were the first to make Hardcore Punk. Death, Possessed, Celtic Frost and Sepultura all had first releases in 1984... who beat whom to the punch? I say Celtic Frost, esp since their first EP came out Xmas 1983 and they were previously Hellhammer which was essentially the same thing.
In a way though, it is the first album to do nothing but that. Seven Churches was, at the time, just considered a more extreme thrash metal record. While we can retrospectively look back and say "yeah thats death metal, and they were early pioneers," if nobody else rose up to create a "nothing but death metal" record, Possessed would just be remembered as an extreme thrash band. Scream Bloody Gore is the first "nothing but death metal" album and cemented the foundation of the genre. Can we say death metal was invented without it? So its hard to say "who did it first" because it depends on what you mean by "it". There are several bands all between 1980 and 1985 who all were creating the sounds we would become to associate with death metal. Was it Venom or Hellhammer, whose push for the extreme inspired Chuck, who was recording death metal demos as early as 1984? Was it Possessed, who released the first full length album to have death metal elements? Was the term coined because because Possessed's Death Metal, or because Death was the first to release a "nothing but Death Metal" album?
You can argue death metal started before Death, but you can never argue it started after. All Hail Chuck \m/
Yep, Scream Bloody Gore is always the record I tell young people getting into DM to listen to
Hell yeah man 🤘🤘
@@bonanzabear288
I always tell them Realm of Chaos
Obituary,or xecutioner as they were known then. They were first on a 'roadrunner' record, napalm death on earache, terroriser on combat, nuclear blast and peacevile in Europe and we even had our own scene here in Australia with some of the best bands that no one has even heard before. We had armoured angel, alchemist, archeron, misery, blood duster and plenty others that are just as good as anyone else. Death, sepultura, morbid angel etc, are realy more thrash than anything else but I just call it metal....good metal or shit metal, makes it a lot less complicated
Well it either started before or after.
Loudwire be like: "We are not saying it was Death, but it was Death"
It was fucking possessed they didn't sound like any typical thrash band and Chuck used to say he got his inspiration from possessed
Death invented nothing. Kreator's Endless pain was released before Death was searching for their masks they would use in the artwork of their debut. Also - every album Death has ever put out sounds the same. If you like one Death album, you like 'em all. If you hate one Death album, you hate 'em all.
@@Rekko82 I highly disagree with your last argument, every Death album has many differences than the proceeding ones. Even the musicians involved are different on almost every album.. For example You cant compare Individual Thought Patterns with The Sound of Perseverance.
@@Rekko82 youre so wrong about that last part. go listen to sound of perseverance and listen to scream bloody gore and tell me those are similar sounding. btw i love sound of perseverance, hate scream bloody gore
@@Rekko82 "The same"...are you deaf or what?
"And then comes Cannibal Corpse and how do you explain that"
I haven't heard such truth in years
CC is the truest of all Death Metal in my opinion. Yeah Death put the base stones in place, but CC built the temple
@@SlaughterEngine I agree. Cannibal Corpse is meat and potatoes death metal. I'll always love their albums no matter how much I branch out into other aspects of death metal.
Still with cc, you can hear a progression in sound change or musical change. Eaten back to life to tomb of the mutilated. Then they went more technical with the early 2000s stuff.
I would explain it by saying that the lyrics is art because it's like an horror movie, you enjoy the creepy factor of it. And musically, it's not easy to learn death metal, it's a very tough genre to play, even if you don't like it you should respect that. The vocals aren't easy to do either, it's a vocal technique that requires a lot of practice to be done right and don't hurt your voice.
@@SlaughterEngine Bolt Thrower
I actually invented death metal but I don't want to talk about it.
Please Do!!!
Hey! I was going to say that!
Awesome comment! Fucken laughed and what not
I can vouch for this guy
You, too?
Whatever, but Death is still the greatest death metal band of all time
Since its death metal we can make sick jokes...imagine if the tour jet for Death crashed. You could say "Death got killed"
@@decimated550 Great fucking comment
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Death...most overrated Death metal band of all time. That's right, I said it.
That would be Malevolent Creation. Ten Commandments was pretty much the apex of 'death metal'. Death is extra heavy prog-thrash. Like Dark Angel, with musical competency.
Though, Entombed fits in there somewhere, but is such an outlier, its hard to tell if it even counts.
“How do you explain Cannibal Corpse to your parents?” Easy, my dad was the one who introduced me to Cannibal Corpse lol
lucky to have a dad like him... be proud
Ace Ventura introduced me to Cannibal Corpse
I introduced my son to Black Sabbath and a few group's like maiden, slip knot many different genre's. And he really got into DISTURBED. He grew up litening to metal so i guess it was just a natural progression idk.
Jessica Jujubean
I love Alice Cooper and death metal...since he raised you on horror movies it would be cool if you returned the favor and got him into death/black metal...maybe Dimmu Borgir would be a good place to start...their Death Cult Armageddon album is pretty damn amazing but they have a lot of other great albums too
MrChaos667 I introduced my son into metal too
I miss Chuck. I'm going to listen to Human now.
My favourite Death album
RIP Sean Reinert and Chuck Schuldiner
Yes.
@@putridabomination Are you the dude? The dude that i think you are ?
@@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385 Probably
Ive heard lot of people say that Reign in Blood laid the foundation for death metal and that Slayer were the heaviest band of their time, but I think Kreator's pleasure to kill was way heavier and a lot closer to being borderline death metal than Slayer ever were. IMO, Pleasure to Kill is still to this day, probably the heaviest thrash metal album I've ever heard.
Yep
you could very well consider Pleasure to Kill “proto-death”, just the title track alone has all the elements of classic death metal: the insanely fast paced drums, shrieking vocals, the slow kinda half time break, the face-melting solo. It’s pretty much a 80’s death metal song but with a clearer tone.
You could say Pleasure to Kill is a death metal album made by a thrash metal band.
and then there's Morbid Saint.
Then you have to say the same thing for AJFA. The entire early death metal scene was just down tuned trash metal.
@@JoshAllen17Goated Metallica Sucks!!!!
I like this guy. He has the energy of someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about but the copy is really intelligently researched/worded
hey !!! he was wearing a death metal shirt !!! lol
Not very well researched when carcass ain't mentioned
john bush maybe cos they helped invent MELODIC death metal not death metal 🤦🏻♂️
I'm not saying this host reminds me of a Nickelodeon presenter. But he definitely reminds me of a Nickelodeon presenter
Yes. He seems like he had a bit too much caffeine, or Prozac, or speed, or all of the above.
\m/
Nickelodeon the cable channel or an original nickel odeon?
he reminds me of Flea from RHCP
So true
As a Loudwire expert I can safely say that Slipknot was the first death metal band, Ghost was the first black metal band, Rammstien is the only industrial metal band, and suicide silence was the father of rock and roll.
Someone's mad.
OMG, lol
Ha
Your contract is in the mail
IHaveToTalkAboutHeavyMetalOrI'llThrowAHissyFit you sir have won the Internet
Sepultura's Beastial Devastation was more death metal than Slayer's Hell Awaits in 1985.
I love most bands mentioned here, but I also feel Necrophagia really deserves some credit as well. Great underrated band and their debut Season of the Dead is one of the first and a masterpiece of horror and death themed metal.
Yeah I'm surprised Necrovore got mentioned and not Necrophagia haha
Yeah man I thought like "why are they ignoring Season of the Dead ?"
Necrophagia of course! I can't believe I forgot them.
That's one of the few things us Ohioans have besides corn and racism lol RIP Killjoy. (The demos are underrated too)
@@2doobsmcjubes555 lmao, 🌽 and racism. So true!
Created by Possessed, perfected by Death.
Facts!
Death was prolific, but there's a lot of crap in there, too. Death is some kind of prog-metal. The perfection of death metal, was obviously Bolt Thrower.
@David Nissim : Agreed! Simple and right to the point!
@@springbloom5940 yeah I like Progressive and Technical Death Metal. I'm not into Melodic Death Metal except Entombed.
@@Highrollinhunter
I dont know if Entombed even counts, because its such a departure from everything. LHP blew the back of my skull out.
Can we just appreciate the fact that he greenscreened himself into the loudwire place?
I.M.O. , Death Metal invetion came gradually , the first seed being on early Slayer , Venom , Celtic Frost and Kreator , but the first (for me) "official" Death Metal register has to be Sepultura's "Bestial Devastation" or the first Possesed . One of these 2 . or both .
True !
Venom had nothing to do with the development of Death metal, you're confusing it for Black Metal.
Possessed and Death, there I saved you 12 minutes. Possessed was death thrash and coined the term Death Metal.
Exumer's Rising from the Sea is so inspired by Possessed. Thrash/Death was the big thing back then. Love this shit. 👍
What about necrophagia?
@@korn454 I've listened to them before and you're right they deserve some credit too. They were putting out demos at the same time.
Possessed was black metal.
Possessed doesn't sound remotely death metal. Elements of black metal sure, but not death metal. The death metal grunt was invented by Celtic Frost, not possessed.
Possessed invented Death Metal, Death defined Death Metal.
That's True
and Cannibal Corpse took to the next level
Entombed did that
@@jeanstankievicznatal9074
"Dead children I must molest"
"Virgin holes I must infest"
It doesn't get any more next level than that! XD
@@TH3F4LC0Nx The next level is called slam
Sepultura "Beneath the Remains" has to be a 50/50 combination of thrash and death.I heard it the other day on RUclips and had forgotten how heavy and yet catchy it is.Awesome guitar work,so fast and with many a tortured-bend chord and note.
Chuck Schuldiner said in an interview that Possessed is the first death metal band.
Bay Area represents underground music. 🇺🇸🎸👿🤘
I saw that interview too! And he also ask the lead singer of possessed if he could use deep vocals like his in his new band death! And since they were friends he said sure!!! And the rest is history!!!!
Arguably, but Bay Area single handedly brought upon us Thrash Metal and Death Metal.
Thats not Matt Pike, he's wearing a shirt
It's his brother, Patt Mike
They probably bribed him into wearing a shirt.
@@KamenMinkov Got him so stoned he didn´t realize they put a shirt on him. The whole state they recorded his parts in is now out of weed.
For me Death are not only the Kings of death metal, but of all metal. They had the melodies, the philosophical and intelligent lyrics, incredible musicianship and where always harder and heavier
I whole-heartedly agree, they have truly become my favorite metal band, if not even favorite band period, they are something else entirely!
I’d say that the kings of metal had to be Metallica, only because of there sell out international fame, but yeah I pretty much agree that Death is pretty much on top
Death is the pinnacle of Death Metal and even Metal Music in general. Deaths Human, Symbolic, The Sound of Perserverence and Control Denied The Fragile Art of Perserverence - Chuck Shuldiner pushed metal forward and is and will be forever a legend in the Metal Community.
I was wondering why people never mention Sepultura " Beastial Devastation (1985)" and "Morbid Visions (1986)" and Sarcófago "I.N.R.I (1987)". D.D. Crazy from Sarcófago was the first drummer to introduce "blast beats". I.N.R.I. is one of the most extreme metal album of all time. There were lots of other bands at that time doing extreme music.
@Carl Horn I just said people never mention them. They should have more credits for their importance when it comes to extreme metal.
Wasn't Sarcofago a first wave black metal band? Also, Sepultura I believe was also involved in black metal early on.
Good point!! Bestial devastación was brutal.
Oh man Sarcofago rules !!!!!!
Or deathcrush
Possessed’s “Seven Churches” was the true first death metal album, but Death’s first two albums really laid the path for late 80s blow up.
No it just opened the door for Death metal to happen by the band Death.
I graduated high school in '88 so I remember these days! I was able to convince my grandparents to buy 'Reign in Blood' (on cassette of course) as my Xmas present! This reads like someone browsing through my music collection! Great stuff!
Death's "Death by Metal" and "Reign of Terror" demos came out in 1984 and were very much death metal recordings earlier than Possessed's "death metal" demo. In fact at the time "death by metal" was recorded, the Possessed guys were doing projects like Blizzard that sounded more like AC/DC than death metal.
Chuck himself said that Venom and Hellhammer were instrumental in inspiring him to push for an even more extreme sound. He doesn't like being praised as the inventor or godfather of death metal because it ignores their contributions, but those demos are certainly death metal. As early as 1984. Although Seven Churches came out in 1985, it wasn't fully death metal even though it had elements of it. The fact Scream Bloody Gore was released in 1987, doesn't change the impact Death had on the genre, but certainly SBG was the first true death metal full length album release and paved the way for the growth of the genre, whereas possessed didn't really take it any further. Anybody who cites Possessed as inventing death metal by nature of releasing an album first is missing the greater context of extreme underground metal.
Well said, well said.
Possessed's 1st demo predates Death By Metal.
Three demos that were released in 1984:
Possessed's first release: "Death Metal" demo
Death's first release: "Death by Metal" demo
Genocide's first release: "Toxic Metal" demo
TF are you saying fanboy? John Becerra was the only one from Blizzard not all of Possessed members.
@@Goabnb94 The topic is who "invented", not who has the "bigger impact". Possessed started touring with big bands such as Celtric Frost and Venom already (in their teenage years!) because record labels thought highly of their different and heavier sound at the time that no one was sounding like them. Even Chuck himself looked up to them and stated that Possessed was such pioneers. I agree though that SBG is a better album than Seven Churches. But Death just redefined the already existing genre that Possessed already offered to the public before Death came to the bigger scene. Or maybe Death went to one of Possessed's gigs and step up their game.
Mike Torrao (Possessed): “We kind of got a big influence from Venom. We had no influence from Slayer at all. Everybody thinks we did but we didn't.”
"Kiss was like my influence to play guitar and stuff. I liked Ace Frehley, the guitar player, and then I grew up on Iron Maiden. After that Judas Priest through high school and then I got into Venom and that's when the Possessed thing started happening."
Eumenideia 1 he was lying. He was influenced by slayer. No way he didn’t get in to them along exodus. They all played in the Bay Area and when you congregate towards evil sounding bands like venom, don’t try to say you didn’t get influenced by the best of them, slayer
Yeah it was obvious the Black Metal album was the influence. The records are nearly identical with an all solid black jacket and embossed letters. Plus in that interview he claimed they you use to call them selves black metal prior to Beyond the Gates. Death Metal was there copy cat anthem to Black Metal.
So... no one is going to acknowledge the existence of Necrophagia anymore?
Indeed and people seems to forget death strike
I was thinking of this the first two minutes in. Long Live Season of the Dead!! One of the most important Death metal or Thrash albums of all time!
Very true I even forgot to mention that.
Unfortunately a very overlooked band. Great shame as they were pioneers.
YES. Thank you. Finally someone remembers them
I find it interesting that you didn't talk about the fact that Sepultura's EP, Beastial Devastation had much the same vibe as these other two albums (especially Seven Churches). I know they were generally considered a thrash band, but their stuff evolved quite a bit over the years and their early stuff definitely has that "beginnings of death metal" vibe to it. And that also came out in 1985. I think some credit is due there.
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I remember Venom, Merciful Fate, and Celtic Frost being referred to as "Death Metal" in 86 - 87. Shit was moving so fast - nobody paid attention to labels then. I also remember hearing Slayer on pirate tapes in 84.
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What about SEPULTURA's Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions???
+1 for Morbid Visions
Hmmm..... yes 🤔
@Brique Zallivam I wouldn't say it's necessarily a good point... The thing a lot of younger people weened on deathcore often don't get is that blastbeats don't define DM. They come from grindcore & only started bleeding into DM after grindcore got popular (essentially becoming the subgenre deathgrind... but the lines quickly became so blurred that it's like splitting hairs). I'd say what really prevents Sepultura post Morbid Visions from being truly considered DM is the vocals were more thrash & less guttural.
Black metal
What about them? Amateur efforts that lack power, sound silly.
I'd say sepultura morbid visions had some early death metal in it
Back in the day we use to know Sepultura as a death metal band, yes
Totally. And they released Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions before Scream Bloody Gore.
I always thought Sepultura never got the credit they deserved for being one of the pioneers of death metal. Most people recognize them as a thrash/groove metal band. Bestial Devastation EP was recorded in '85. That and Morbid Visions are death metal, some people refer to them as early black metal too. Either way they didn't sound like any thrash band that was popular at the time. I don't think they were really known outside Brazil til Beneath the Remains.
I always said, Sepultura is death metal man, and some groove metal too
Yes its was Sepultura.
Killjoy (Necrophagia): "I started getting into punk when I was twelve and stayed there until hearing Venom when they started. Venom had elements of punk but with a whole new twist. I was hooked big time. And soon after, Necrophagia was created."
venom. those dudes were great.
I saw Death at The Beacham Theatre when James Murphy had joined the band (all props to Rick, too, though!). After sound check they were hanging out in their 'tour bus' and even though they were always cool it was obvious they were tired so we all left them alone and hung out waiting for the show to start. Seemingly out of nowhere James Murphy walked out and asked the few of us that were nearby if we wanted to hear an advanced copy of their 'new album' called Spiritual Healing- we just needed a casette player since his advance copy was on cassette. We walked right across the street to my friend's car and James put the cassette in the tape deck. I think we got to hear 3 songs or so- that was f*cking cool. It's still one of my top favorite albums of all time to date. James- your rock man. That was the coolest shit ever. RIP Chuck- some unreal music you made man! Terry, Rick and especially Bill- you guys made the best death metal ever- Thank You All!
Venom Welcome to Hell in 1981 was the very first brutal, speed, heavy guitar riff, grunty barking evil vocals, dark and satanic death metal album. Many call it the first black metal album, well there can be 1000 metal genres, I call it the very first death metal album because there was no brutal, speed, heavy riff, dark metal album exactly like that before 1981. It was the very first, therefore the very, very beginning of the death metal genre that simply doesn't and cannot have the progression in sound that lets say 1986's Darkness Descends, 1987's Scream Bloody Gore and 1991's Butchered at Birth have, but it was the beginning.
Earliest I've been since Phil Anselmo kissed Gruhammed
Hell Awaits was pretty death metal like
I would put Hell Awaits WAY closer to Death Metal than Reign in blood. Hell Awaits has that beast Bass guitar and is full of bottom end! Reign has practically no bass guitar and hardly any bottom end, except for Dave's double kick. Reign has that polished and clean fancy pants studio sound compared to Hell Awaits' more garage-like sound. Reign was closer to Punk and hardcore with its 2 minute long songs. If anything from Slayer would be considered Death, its not Reign! Its Hell Awaits.
@@fuhrersavior9575 this is a better answer than most people gave in the video. Hell Awaits is more proto-death metal than Reign, and at least equal to Possessed and early Death. Also the first Sepultura ep and album shouldn't be forgotten.
alugificator you said it even better , I would add kreator’s pleasure to kill in their as well
Ok, I finished watching the video now and they did address it, and Necrovore were mentioned. Kudos Loudwire.
It's thrash
In the early 80's, ('80-'85) we'd call it "Chainsaw Rock." That was the term myself and some of the other college radio station DJs used as we thought it described that music well. Friday &/or Saturday nights 10/11pm - 1/2am we played the hardest, fastest, loudest we had or could get from friends and other students. We even had a chainsaw without the chain, we'd crank it up and rev it up, on and on to start the show. COC (Corrosion of Conformity) was a local band then here in Raleigh, NC, but COC was considered more punk, however they did have a few songs that would've been considered Thrash or Death metal.
Then came Jackyl 😂
I hope you have heard Slaughter's album Strappado. I'm pretty sure they used chainsaws in the productions of that!
Death- Spiritual Healing was my first. I ordered a cassette from Columbia House music club because I liked the cover art. Now I’m 41 and still listening to death metal, deathcore, slam, thrash.
Can't believe no one mention Sepultura! They had a lot to do with early Death Metal stuff and the genre actually given the name. I think Max and Igor really laid down a foundation to follow on there own. Even if you listen to Cavalera Conspiracy today. That's how early Death Metal sounded. I remember hearing Igor's blast beats way before Death or Napalm Death.
Morbid Visions 100% contributed to the beginning stages of the developing sound of death metal
This is true to a “degree”
sepultura sux. let em go!
First blast beat I can remember: Milk by Stormtroopers of Death off of Speak English or Die
But still, that's definitely not death metal.
@@RoaldKoger No, it's NOT, but it's necessary.
United and Strong, Agnostic Front.
Scott Patrick AF skinhead 4 life
I have a problem my mom calls pantera death metal
She needs to walk on home boy
Just give me five minutes alone with her.
She doesnt need this love then
High noon she’s doomed
She's got a war nerve leave her alone
I know Reign in Blood is the more popular Slayer album, but Hell Awaits had way more of an influence on death metal and extreme metal in general. That album was darker and more evil than RIB, if that's possible.
Also no one ever mentions Necrophagia's - Season of the Dead. Released a few months before Scream Bloody Gore
Slayer miss out on any credit because the guitar solos were just too tryhard
Not saying they aren’t the “origin” but using the term in a song would mean Steppenwolf originated heavy metal.
Steppenwolf weren't naming their music. That's the difference.
Possessed is generally considered the first death metal band due to their more intense thrash style and the growled vocals. They were an influence on Chuck Schuldiner & Death.
I still remember the day I left Eaten Back to Life in the CD player downstairs as that's the only one in the house and my Dad found it. The look on his face when he saw the album cover was classic lmao. He was speechless.
I want to buy some Cannibal Corpse cassettes on eBay but I'm broke and if my Mom sees the cover from Tomb Of The Mutilated I would be embarrassed but I would be worth it. I own two Death Metal cassettes Spiritual Healing and left hand path then the rest of my cassettes are Thrash Metal.
I’d say that load by Metallica inspired death metal artists I mean just listen to mama said that’s pure death metal right there
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So country is the father of death metal🤣🤣🤣
Speaking seriousky fight fire with fire kinda sounds like a proto death metal song. It even has a little growl on "we all should die"
The black album invented black metal
No
Last time i was this early, i still thought that Slipknot are death metal.
What was wrong with you
Slipknot is nu metal
znon zeo r/woooooosh
@@zudahkai94 at least the first few albums
@@zudahkai94 They are not Nu Metal either GTFO
Let's just ignore that "death metal" was a very common term in the swedish underground in like... 83
Wrong
We can safely ignore it. Back then the term was used to describe something different than what we today recognize as Death Metal, just like "power metal" was a common term in the 80's to describe what is today recognized as Trash Metal.
@@remnant24 Yea he may have been pointing out that the moderator said that Possessed used the term first
Your answer is on the thumbnail.
"Death"
I'm Irish.. And Celtic Frost is pronounced Keltic Frost. Great mini documentary \m/..
I pronouce the band name with a hard 'c' but say Boston Celtics with a soft 'c'. I have a problem.
Sick band!
Christopher Merlot That’s because that’s correct.. the “S” sound way of saying it was just more popular when the basketball team was founded.
Thank you . A 15 year old argument with friends put to conclusion.
Now the basketball team Boston Celtics and the Scottish football team Celtic F.C we would pronounce the C like Seltic F.C. Glad I could help with your argument \m/..
Tom Warrior (Hellhammer/Celtic Frost/Triptykon): “Well, first and foremost, when we started we were simply a Venom clone. In 1981 when I first heard Venom there was no other music on the planet like this. The only band that approached the extremity of Venom was the punk band Discharge. Me and my best friend at the time wanted to form a band and hearing these bands proved to us that what we had in our mind was actually feasible. It encouraged us to actually form a band though we were completely inexperienced. We had just picked up our instruments. And because we were so inexperienced initially we weren’t good enough to emulate our own ideas so we tried to copy Venom and that included, of course, the lyrical content, which would explain why the early Hellhammer material is so extreme, so Satanic.”
"The song titles, the riffs, down to our stage names - everything was copied from Venom. We thought Venom was the heaviest band, and we wanted to be heavier. Everybody thought we were a new heavy band, but in reality we were just a miserable photocopy."
“To this day, I regularly listen to [Venom's] "Welcome to Hell", and it has never lost its utterly unique aura, extremity, and aggression for me. It transports me instantly to the feelings and images of when me and [former Hellhammer bassist/vocalist] Steve Warrior used to worship this album on a daily basis.”
add bathory to the list, venom copycats with screeching vocals
@@luxinvitas no way. Don't know if you had listened to Bathory at all. They're quite different from Venom even though they did copy a riff or two on the first two albums. But when Under the Sign of the Black Mark came out it was probably the most extreme thing in music at that point. Venom sounded like a church choir compared to that. The darkest, fastest and heaviest metal album until Death released Scream Bloody Gore and even then there are some aspects in which UTSOTBM is more "metal".
Hellhammer
@@remove_marko Quarthon was the ULTIMATE BLACK METAL VOCALIST OF ALL TIME!!!
Id say both Death and Possessed played an equally big role in it. The guys from both bands were good friends too and inspired eachother alot. Possessed laid down the framework, and Death followed it up with what we understand as the typical death metal sound today.
Death, possessed, kreator, morbid angel laid the ground work can argue for decades about who was actually the first but really does it matter, they all influenced each other, Chuck was even wearing a morbid angel T-shirt in an early death show, that’s rad, people argue about it like it matters who was first instead of being grateful these guys all propped each other up and built a scene
The great thing is that Death Metal was mainly created by teenagers:
Venom: Black Metal (1982), vocals and songwriting: Conrad Lant *19 years*
Possesed: Seven Churches (recorded March/April 1985), lyrics and vocals: Jeff Becerra *16 years*
Death: Sceam Bloody Gore (recorded November 1986), lyrics, songwriting, guitar, bass, vocals: Chuck Schuldiner *19 years* drums: Chris Reifert *18 years*
If we’re into 1986 then Sepultura’s morbid visions needs to be accounted for that record came out same year 1986
@@NEKROMONICON. Yes, you are right.
The band members were all 15 (Igor Cavalera) to 17 years old when it was recorded.
Chuck said in his 90's interviews, Venom and Possessed did.
As a Brazilian I would vote for INRI by Sarcofago as the First genre defining death metal album. Sadly at the time there was no internet so that others could enjoy overseas.
This needs more likes.
It was obviously Fitzgerald McDeath, the great floridian chemist who died in 2001 of heavy metal poisoning...
ᛞᛖᚾᚾᛁᛋ ᛏᚱᛟᚹᚨᛏᛟ He ate my hamster
He blew up my neighbour's sofa
He only stole the work of Geoff Dethmetale.
Dennis Trowato? Did I get that name right
Slayer opened gates for Death metal to be a Genre ...
and then possessed entered through that gate ...
beyond the gate hehehehehe
@@HunterVex. that could be an amazing tech death band name
Slayer built a gates in the wall
Posessed opened it
Death entered it
Magda Chlebicka cannibal corpse digged the grave
You mean that possessed were.... at the gates ?
Kreator (Pleasure to Kill) ,Slayer (Hell Awaits) and Dark Angel (Darkness Decends) helped the blue print. Possessed and Death (Massacre) and Celtic Frost were the pioneers. Onslaught had a song called Death Metal, but it was more Thrash based.
Kam Lee, Jeff Becera, Chuck Schuldner and Tom G. Warrior were the original vocalists of DM ( along with Mike Browning, Evil D and Lee Dorian (although he's more Hardcore).
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This is absolute quality and I love it. Thanks Loudwire!
Paul Speckmann (Master/Death Strike/War Cry): "We started out playing this doom, Sabbathy kind of stuff, and around that time I discovered a 7” single from Venom-“Live like an Angel, Die like a Devil” and “In League with Satan” on the back of it. That changed my life. Bill Schmidt was fired from War Cry and he spoke to me about doing something heavier. I showed him the single and it changed his life as well. At the time, we started listening to Motorhead, more Sabbath, Slayer was around, but Venom was the band that spurned me to play more aggressive music.”
Yeah Buddy. So damn right. These early bands created the path for all the other fine bands. I‘ ve watched two or three shows with Paul Speckman in the last years. These bands made me remember that in the past fans and band had been „the show“. Today : flawless shows, bored and stuffed fans , holding their fucking smartphones up for filmin the god damn shows.
Always joke that if Tom Araya growled instead of yelled in Reign in Blood, its instantly death metal
Interesting no one really calls Sepultura Death Metal despite the vocals
VENOM started the ball rolling, they were so fucking insane when they arrived on the scene, they opened Metal up to a whole knew direction. Early Maiden and Motörhead, mixed punk and Metal, created that wave, and while they were taking off, then Venom came out of nowhere, it was so brutal to a then 16 year old, opened my mind, early Kreator, Possessed, and Slayer, then pushed faster and more extreme. What a time to be alive!
I agree. They were the very first brutal, speed, heavy guitar riff, grunty evil vocals, dark and satanic metal band with Welcome to Hell in 1981. Many call it the first black metal album, I call it the very first death metal album because there was no metal album exactly like that before 1981. It was the very first, therefore the very, very beginning of the death metal genre.
Napalm Death (84/5) also played a hand in creating the whole speed/grind/death sound...
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My Vote is for Possessed! MY LIFE CHANGED in 1986 (or so, still a bit foggy) when I saw my first death metal show - Possessed in a small 250 person bar in Colorado Springs, CO. Larry Leland turned his guitar neck down to me and cut my forehead with his guitar string and I had blood streaming down my face (really, probably trickling, but) I was turned! It is a perfect memory of that moment when I committed my life to the genre, the culture, and the purity of death metal. I am 53 now and still go to as many shows as I possibly can. That moment made me, no FORGED me into the metalhead I am today!
OH, FATHER, OH SATAN, OH SUN!
There were a lot of thrash bands who constantly pushed the boundaries and set the foundation for extreme metal (especially death and black): you got your Sepultura’s “Morbid Visions”, Sodom’s “In The Sign of Evil” and Kreator’s “Endless Pain” are definitely black metal inspirations, whereas “Pleasure to Kill” and Slayer’s “Hell Awaits” gave that gritty death metal sound life. You also have your more underground material like Sarcofago’s “INRI”, Morbid Saint’s “Spectrum of Death”, Protector’s “Golum” has that brutal thrash feel that they took a step further in “Urm the Mad”, obviously Celtic Frost and Bathory who you could say were extreme thrash with their first records (“Bathory” is pretty much thrash, black and a little death all in one amazing mix, while “Morbid Tales” is pretty much blackened thrash).
To me thrash, death and black are the three metal genres with the most ties, and back in the 80’s the three helped each other rise all over the world. Sometimes I think about how, since thrash is my favourite, it’s always been easy to me to listen to death/black bands without having to “adapt” to the sound, like with other subgenres.
Interviewer: "Chuck, a lot of people credit you with starting the death metal scene, the death metal genera. What do you think when they say that?"
Chuck Schuldiner: "Well, it’s definitely flattering, but I really can’t consider myself to have started it. In my opinion Venom were the first - to have the brutal vocal style, tuning low their instruments, that initial brutal aggression. But I think that maybe I’ve kept it going to what death metal is today, as a lot of those older bands are no longer going, like Venom; and I guess I picked up where they left off, and I’m still in there luckily.”
Eumenideia 1 THANK YOU. Chuck even claims it was every contemporary of his around him that started it before he did. People never want to give bands like Napalm Death and Kreator their credit for pushing it to where Death got the influence to take it there
Chuck did in fact say that.
Venom pretty much invented/influenced all extreme metal. Death, black, and thrash were heavily influenced by the band.
I really don't think Chuck was fully aware of what he had done for metal in general. He was always so humble. Damn, I miss that guy.
@@FourBudgies87 For that matter one could go back to Black Sabbath. I don't think there is a definite point where it started. We're all standing on the shoulders of giants.
One thing I can thank my brother for is learning that I love death metal and Gothic metal. Type O Negative is my favorite band in the metal category.
Ксения Ковалевская hell yesh! I love Type O negative
You’re sexy and have good taste in music
💗💗💗💗😘
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on on RUclips at BLACK METAL TEENS REACT TO PINK FLOYD
Why is Akerfeldt always looking so sweaty? Put a fan on the man lmao save him.
I was pondering that sheen he's kicking too? What's up with that? Opeth brand face cream ??
A lot of signals passing through his brain, its tiring
@Dildo Baggins look at brutal death metal vs pink floyd on RUclips
It's all the Blue Cheese, oozing out his pores... 🤣
My first death metal album was Spiritual Healing. My buddy wasn't really into it and offered to trade it for my Haunting The Chapel. We did the tape swap and I was immediately hooked.
Dude that Exodus and Suicidal flyer brought back great memories! That tour was insane!
Why didn't they mention about Hell Awaits? That was huge impact on death metal!
That's what I've been saying for years. Way darker than 99% of Thrash Metal available at the time.
And I still prefer it to Reign in Blood.
Yeah, Hell Awaits was a very big inspiration to death metal
have a look on RUclips at BLACK METAL TEENS REACT TO PINK FLOYD
Enough of that seven churches was the first death metal. Possessed was just a sketchy edgy thrash band. The first death metal was scream bloody gore. It has a very good atmosphere. If you listen to it, it sounds like it was actually recorded in a hellish crypt by some damned evil intentions. It's pure evilness. If you could smell a record it would smell like rotten musty flesh. And no one did anything like that before and that's all that matters.
Sure there were. Sepultura's Morbid Visions and Celtic Frost's Morbid Tales. Morbid Visions is pretty much a Death Metal album.
@Danny Dircio Even Death said that
Venom - Black Metal really should be a parts of this conversations
Agreed 100%
This video is about Death Metal, not Black Metal.
Or even their Possessed album, my fave of theirs
Venom is not black metal!! Bathory was first.
@@mastodon781 bathory took from Venom pretty much .
He did more extreme then developped into something else .
But still , modeled after Venom too
I have always considered the band Possessed to be the godfathers of death metal. The band Death is the first true death metal band.
"Invented" is a really stupid metric. Nobody invented death metal; its always been there, humans just finally figured out how to unleash it.
Posessed’s debut was released two years earlier, thus it was first.
Patrick Tervo Too much thrash to be death metal
Possessed was a seminal and influential band but they weren’t death metal.
Scream Bloody Gore is the first proper death metal album as we know the genre today.
@@jaredt3985 SBG Is thrash though. Death was Death Metal only in Spiritual Healing.
Homeboy needs some acting lessons.
You teaching?
Loudwire lol
Well, that backfired, huh?
ruclips.net/video/rX7wtNOkuHo/видео.html
Loudwire lmao
@@LoudwireMusic Do you teach?*
Waldorf: _Who Really Invented Death Metal?_
Statler: _Who cares!?_
Both: _OHOHOHOHOHO!_
Honestly, Scott Burns came along way after death metal was "invented," but he deserves some credit in making it what it became, for sure.
I saw Possessed and Death at L'Amour in Brooklyn NY
Dark Angel "Darkness Descends" tour as well
Also Slayer Show no Mercy , Hell Awaits ,Reign in blood
"How can you listen to that SCREAMO music???" 🤢🤮
I have heard this TOO many times...
Black Label Society is screamo and brutal
@@rasta1017 the most screamo and brutal 🤣
Actual screamo is just emo bands trying to be metal
@@johnzahm193 which is what I keep telling people!
Its for guys who cant get women
Considering Seven Churches literally has a song called "Death Metal", I'd say the title pretty much has to go to Possessed.
I'm going to give my two cents in this convo and say Sadus' two first albums are just as important, especially Swallowed In Black
There is mors to the genre than just the name. Seven Churches always seemed like more thrash, proto death at best. Scream Bloody Gore really defined genre in its purest form.
Possessed is Trash, end of discussion.
@Hairless Wookiee Or better yet, Mercyful Fate/King Diamond :D
You can't forget that Death had released the demos Death by Metal and Reign of Terror in 1984. Take a listen, they are on RUclips, and they are defintely death metal, contrasted to Possessed which is a mix of thrash and death. Can anybody definitively say that the track Death Metal named the genre, and not Death, or the fact there is a death metal band called Death, and a song called Death Metal, and they sing about death, so it just makes logical sense to call it that.
I think this is kinda like a similar argument to who really invented Heavy Metal. We know there was some heavy metal elements before Sabbath with bands like Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, The Who, even the Beatles in a couple songs, but no one can say that those are Heavy Metal bands, that’s when Sabbath took it to another level and established that particular sound and style, thus, being the true creators of Heavy Metal. With Death Metal before it was considered a thing you had Possessed, Celtic Frost, etc, with elements of Death Metal but a little over shadowed by a clear influence of Thrash Metal, but Death took it to a whole new level with Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy and established what Death Metal really sounds like followed by Morbid Angel’s debut, and that’s when other bands started to pick up on that. For me that’s why just like with Sabbath and Heavy Metal, Death is the creator of Death Metal as we know it. Heck, it’s even on the name of the band! And we are just talking about official records, and not even counting the demos that we’re made back in 83 that Death did as “Mantas”, if you ask me that sounds pretty Death Metal to me.
What about Master's unreleased album, recorded in 1985 and shelved for the next 18 years? In my opinion it was the first 100% death metal release
I agree man
Onslaught's first album Power From Hell has a song titled Death Metal from 1985.
there's a 1984 split album (featuring hellhammer) Called death metal. there you go
I literally just started listening to Deaths scream bloody gore album when you guys uploaded this
Literally same, listened to zombie ritual then flicked to this haha
Holy shit, can you morons put together a single sentence without “literally?” God dammit, you’re not even using it correctly.
More important question: Why was viking metal invented?
So that any man who dared listen to it could grow a full beard in an hour.....
Reijo P. Looking at how really invented death metal? It’s on RUclips
😆
Because bathory wanted to be different
To appease Odin
I second Matt Pike (one of the greatest metal guitarists ever in his own right) on Celtic Frost being pivotal. The tone is much sludgier than most thrash, and has a chaotic unpredictability that unimaginative people would call amateur but is totally unique. Also, his vocals went to a greater extreme
Celtic frost is an amazing band. I love their Mexican radio cover. Their entire content is awesome.
Mariah Carey invented Death Metal!
Satan Claus is definitely coming to town
And Drake defined Death Metal
Who's Mariah Carey?
He needs to take it down a notch, I feel like he doesnt actually talk like this, coukd just be me though
Dude is intense. Breathe homie
It’s just you and the other poopy butts that agree with you🎅🏼
Damn, Mike Akerfeldt is sweating like crazy
Lol it's sunscreen
Favorite Death Metal Albums. Retribution - Malevolent Creation, Leprosy - Death, Stillborn - Malevolent Creation.
King Diamond and Chuck. King Diamond was so thoughtful he created metal operas. Abigail, Them and Conspiracy are timeless masterpieces. Enjoy.
Morbid Angel played Mercyful Fate covers way back in the day so that definitely says something. Corpsegrinder also said MF "Don't Break the Oath" is his all time favorite Metal album.
Carol Baskin husband did,
But we will never know.
I knew it started in Florida.
Nercrophagia - Season of the Dead anyone?
That's a kick ass death metal cd love that cd got it off eBay
Serpent of the light looking at how really invented death metal ? It’s on RUclips
That was more of a thrash album, the first death metal album was also the first grindcore album, carcass- reek of putrefaction
Whoever “invented” it is whoever did it first, not whoever had the first big album of nothing but that lol. The Beatles didnt invent Rock & Roll, they were the first to make Rock. Judas Priest wasn’t the first to make Heavy Metal (nor was Sabbath) but they were he first to make Metal. Black Flag didnt invent Punk, but they were the first to make Hardcore Punk.
Death, Possessed, Celtic Frost and Sepultura all had first releases in 1984... who beat whom to the punch? I say Celtic Frost, esp since their first EP came out Xmas 1983 and they were previously Hellhammer which was essentially the same thing.
In a way though, it is the first album to do nothing but that. Seven Churches was, at the time, just considered a more extreme thrash metal record. While we can retrospectively look back and say "yeah thats death metal, and they were early pioneers," if nobody else rose up to create a "nothing but death metal" record, Possessed would just be remembered as an extreme thrash band. Scream Bloody Gore is the first "nothing but death metal" album and cemented the foundation of the genre. Can we say death metal was invented without it?
So its hard to say "who did it first" because it depends on what you mean by "it". There are several bands all between 1980 and 1985 who all were creating the sounds we would become to associate with death metal. Was it Venom or Hellhammer, whose push for the extreme inspired Chuck, who was recording death metal demos as early as 1984? Was it Possessed, who released the first full length album to have death metal elements? Was the term coined because because Possessed's Death Metal, or because Death was the first to release a "nothing but Death Metal" album?
Goabnb94 Therein lies the rub ... which came first, the chicken or the egg? Lol
This is like asking at what exact point does orange turn to red. You can ask 10 people and get 10 different answers
I haven’t even started the video, I just know it’s gonna be wrong because it’s loudwire
We all know its nickeback lmao
Omg one like so fast new record haha
no way, Marilyn manson invented Death Metal with Trent reznor
Music that makes you want to die isn't death metal
LMAO LOUDWIRE SAVAGE
but we all know its smells like teen spirit by queen