Sails on a Sailboat
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- This episode is all about the sails on my sailboat and repairing them.
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Thank god you got that pool cleaned and filled.
lol it was a new pool. The other one had a leak thats why we left it uncovered and it got dirty over the winter.
good job on the vid, she's nearly ready for a sail cant wait for that. Don't forget the basic trailer maintenance, wheels, tyres, wheel bearings, hitch check over, and lights. cheers
excellent advice I forgot to mention it. grease those bearings!
Yes sir! all on my list and should all be a part of the next video!
Sadly, I didn't get that advice and I drove 2hrs to put the boat in the water, as I did a running board floated up. It had rusted-through bolts and got loose. I drove to an auto parts store with my boat tied at the dock and screwed the running board back down on the trailer. What I thought would be her maiden voyage turned into a day doing repairs. -- Looking forward to seeing the trailer maintenance video. Thanks again!
Wow, she is looking awesome!
I bet you were happy to see those sails up, you'll be in the water in no time!!
Oh yes i can just watch the drone footage over and over! thanks for the kind words again Karen.
It's funny, watching your videos there are parts where I really wish I had your phone # so I could just call and say "I tried that already, don't do it! Do it this way" Keep up the good work.
lol, well what the hell, why didn't you make a bunch of videos for me to watch before I did all this stuff!? hahaha I guess thats why I'm here though right? To save the next guy who is watching from both our head aches!
LOL I was thinking the same thing...
First of all thank you very much for fixing your audio! Much better. I have an 88 sitting in my driveway that I have been working on since June of last year. I used Schurr Sails in Pensacola, Fl. for my sail inspections and repair. They were VERY pleasant and fair with their pricing. I just happened to have to be in Pensacola anyway and took them with me; stopped in to see them and tell them what I needed. They inspected/repaired and mailed them back to me in Alabama. I did repair my sail bag myself using the same tape you used, minus the goop. I have a regular Singer sewing machine that has a zig zag feature. It worked great. I applied the tape and used the machine to zig zag stitch along the the edges with NYLON UV RESISTANT OUTDOOR thread. Exceptional result for very little money. Would work just as well on your sail until you can get a new one. Do not use regular thread!
+michael willoughby I finally nailed the audio!?!? Wahoo!!! A few people now said they have used a regular old sewing machine to repair their sails. I gotta keep my eye out for a cheap used one. Thanks for the comment.
Dude, love the vids, keep them up. We had a similar problem with our jib. We folded that edge over and made a new seam. You'll loose an inch of sail or so. Easy to do on a sowing machine with the correct thread. Not perfect but cheap. We did that 5 years ago, still going strong. For now tho, get that beauty on the water!
I was tempted to try this. I was even looking at tag sales for a cheap sewing machine... is that all you used was a regular household sewing machine? or do you have access to something more industrial sized? The internet web gave me the impression that it couldn't be done with a "normal" machine. I even got a hand tool, but that sh*t would take waaaaaay to long. Aint nobody got time fo dat!
My mother actually did it on a regular sewing machine, nothing crazy. Cut off all the old seam and make a new one. She went slow and did more than one pass. Your patch will do. Worst case is that seam rips it's self apart and you end up with another great vid! Summer is waning, get that thing in the water! Looks like your good to go!
For sailing on the cheap, hand sew it. It's not that hard and you can do it over the winter while watching TV or whatever. I did my Genoa leech and foot, it took several days but it was cheap. You really need a sewing palm though.
Your jib fabric is shot. When you can easily tear it like that, it's gone. But hey, it's already gone, right? Tape it up and sail it like you stole it.
The foot of the jib will fill out when you get some wind. Ideally, you would want an adjustable car for the jib instead of the fairlead. That would allow you to add or remove twist and take the excess slop out of the foot. But you're not racing, so you won't care. I haven't seen the need for my jib. The 150, on the other hand, really benefits from an adjustable car.
awesome, I do have a t track on each side close to the winches, so i'll get the cars next spring when I re-do the entire deck layout.
Hey Ryan. It's a bit to ask...though you did ask for questions, :) but can you possibly run some footage up and down your lines to show all your rigging in detail, or possibly even show the rigging process (could even be time lapsed)? Since you have basically the same boat (mine being the 92 classic 26s) and set up for single handed sailing, it would be helpful to see for my first time getting mine rigged. I don't want to bore all your viewers though.
I can definitely do that! I just hope Im doing it right! I'll try and get that all in when I go out on the lake for the first time and tie it all into that episode. Also I am planning on re-doing the entire deck layout next year because a lot of how its set up right now doesn't make much sense to me and I think it can be done way better.
She looks better with each video! Keep it up Ryan!
+Adam Carr thanks Adam!
Proper sail repair is tricky.Take your sails to a local sail loft and have them inspected and repaired. Also, ask if the have a used set in good condition for a set of spares.
When you get the new battens for the mainsail, the lines on the bottom of the main sail boom might be for reefing your sail, ie shortening your sail in heavy winds or squalls.
I think you have the jiffy reefing line run correctly. The reef nettle lines I always carried in my hip pocket, until I smartened up and left them permanently rigged. Remember that the reef lines go ABOVE the boom, tied around the bunt of the sail. I'm sure you know to tie reef nettles with reef knot aka a square knot
Awesome good tips.
Your reefing line is run almost perfectly. I don't know that I like when they put the eye strap on the mast. But it's already there, so give out a shoot. There should never be a load on the two grommets in the body of the sail. Notice how little reinforcement they have. They are only for running some ties to gather up the unused body of the sail when you reef. You want the tack and clew grommets tight to pull the new foot tight when reefed. Remember, baggy yields lots of curve in the sail body, and curve equals power. Since you reef when overpowered, power is the last thing you need in that situation. Go ahead and practice reefing in your driveway. Believe me, when the wind picks up is the last place you want to practice. Guess how I know that one?
Ok all good to know, I don't have to use that eye strap as the terminal end, I can always just cleat it off on the opposite side as those cleats don't get used with anything with the halyards running aft. Makes perfect sense with the middle 2 eyes and thats what I assumed, my only hesitation came when i thought "well if this is supposed to be a single handed reef that can be done without leaving the cock pit, then should this be rigged another way where I don't have to get up and tidy up the rest of the sail with those other eyes?" But guess I got it right, and thats exactly what needs to be done. thanks for the confirmation!
When you showed the jib, two questions immediately popped into my head:
1. What material is the jib made of? You need to know this in order to repair it properly.
2. What's failing -- the material or the stitching? Is the material cutting the thread, or is the thread cutting the material? Or is the problem rot?
I believe its nylon and and thread seems to be cutting the material...
I can confirm this tape looks no good for this purpose. I'd use some kind of dacron sail tape instead.
But tape is good for very small scratches (like the hole in your main sail). For bigger scratches, you really need to stitch the tape. Tape is good also if while on the water you need to fix your sail, it'll let you come back home, but it won't last if not stitched.
That said, I'd do that only if I can't buy new sails right now (and I know that can be the case ;) Stitching by hand takes ages and stitching machines strong enough for this purpose costs more than your sails !
Your sails (with your motor) are probably the most important thing on your boat, so if you can invest, invest on sails (and motor) more than anything else ;)
Btw Thanks for sharing, very cool channel and nice boat ! Sorry for my french...
thank you for your comment! Im really leaning towards replacing it with a roller furling system next spring. what are your thoughts? worth the extra expense?
Oh, also, when you get the furling Genoa make sure you get sunbrella uv protection sewn in all along the leach and foot.
Of course you will get 1 million different advices for every question, and then you get to choose! Here is mine. It is a small easy to handle boat I would skip on the roller furling especially if you intend to trailer sail and drop the mast often. This is a fractional rig, you do not want a big genoa 100-110 is plenty with the $ you save from not getting the fancy prone to failure roller furling get yourself an asymmetrical spinnaker, and learn/think about a boom-vang. Baggy sails not a concerned you are not racing and knowing how to trim your sails is what you want to learn. When you are done sailing put the sails out of the sun and fold them properly! No sail loft is a bummer but other gave you good advice, I would go with folding and sewing a patch along the whole leech. The idea of track to adjust the jib is great but if I had to choose I would first install a main sail track this will teach you a ton about twist and main sail adjustment.
Cheers!
At a guess the jib is dead. Try ripping another bit of the fabric away from the seam. Grip the fabric with boths hands between your thumb and index finger with your thumbs almost touching. drive your thumb nails into the fabric and pull apart. New fabric wont rip, okay fabric will rip with some force
. Foot of the jib is fine. Even when sailing close to the wind you need some curve in the sail. Reefing line looks normal. Try taping the sail and stitching over it. I did this with my old yacht sails and it works to some extent. Mine where stitched by a local seamstress that repairs clothes using the heaviest thread she had. No where near as good as if a sail maker had done it, but cost me £8 (about S11). They will probably stitch through the rope in seam but the sail shape is more of less gone anyway so i doubt you will miss being able to adjust that. If the sail stays together (and my guess is it wont any sort of heavy air) it will work okay for reaching and running. It won't point well but its a Mac 26 which isn't exactly known for its ability to point anyway. With the outboard going you can point to 0 degrees true so its not a big deal...
Main looks in great shape, much better than the main on my boat... Put the sails up in a reasonable breeze and see what happens. Best to do it with the boat in the water as its rather embarrassing if the boat falls over in your yard
thanks for the insightful comment robert. I actually tried exactly what you described and the "internal" portion of the fabric is still pretty strong, weaker at the seems, and super weak at that particular seem. Im totally open to having a local seamstress reinforce it but I was under the impression that that job could only be done with a heavy duty industrial machine, and not something meant for clothing. shit I was even keeping my eye out for a sewing machine at tags sails and going that route on my own. All I really need is to get me out a few times until I can upgrade to a whole new system.
Sailing FreeStyle if your local seamstress can put patches in jeans then there is a good chance that machine will work. There isn't that much difference between a sail loft machine and a machine made for clothing.
Sailing FreeStyle also adding a uv strip might work. They are designed for roller fluring jibs but the do reinforced that area. If the bulk material of the sail is good then you could also trim the jib down by a few inches. That will make a 95% jib but it should work fine depending on how much of the sail shape you keep. Sailrite are a good bet for sail making/repair supplies. They do mail order
Binge watching your videos, you got yourself a nice little boat. I would bring the jib to a sail loft and have them re-enforce the leech of the sail. I think the 5200 from a few videos back could be a mistake you will never be able to remove that thru-hull if necessary, 5200 is an adhesive not a sealant. but it is done now. Ohh you just posted that now, that means no ore videos to watch! :-(
+Alain Pascal Routhier thanks for the comment! Unfortunately there's no sail loft in western Massachusetts, I would have to send them out. Not sure if it would just be cheaper at that point to pick up a used one. Also I really would like to think about upgrading the foresail to a roller furling system. Lots to think about over the winter.
+Alain Pascal Routhier also 5200 was what the manufacturer recommended for that through hull. For once I actually followed instructions 😉
The issue with 5200 is that it literally bonds the thru-hull to the hull to remove that fitting you will need a saw-all! ;-)
5200 (aka polyurethane sealant) is recommended below the water line. non adhesive sealants ( polysulfide or butyl tape) are recommended as bedding above the water line, such as deck fittings (but not polysulfide for windows)
I was thinking 3M 4200, which is not labeled as a permanent adhesive. 5200 is permanent and if you have played with it you know destroy the area to separate a fittings installed with 5200. ;-)
Reminds me a bit of Michael Scott when looking at camera
Lol I just watched 2 seasons of the office when I was stuck home with the flu last week!
I added a thumbs up just for the intro LOL
+Todd S glad someone got that!!! Lol. I gotta make an enya reference at some point too now.
Roller Mate the Only Way ! just need to dig a bit you can find them second hand ! save at least 1/2 $ Fair Winds From California
I also wanted to mention a few videos ago when you remove everything in the boat you remove a door and then you remove another large piece of wood, that is a bulkhead it is there to support the deck so while it is remove I would suggest don't walk on the cabin top. :-) .
Excellent videos btw, but I can't let the kids watch due to 'some' words. L.
oh man, I have been trying real hard with the language. I do it without even realizing it, and have been trying to beep them out in my more recent videos. I noticed the spider adjective after the video was uploaded, I'm sorry, i'll get better.
on't tell anyone but I am the same. ;-)
Are you near a West Marine? If I were you, I'd go there (or a boat chandlery) and tell them what you are trying to do and they should be able to guide you. I would think that some fabric tape or even electrical tape would be sturdier than what it looked like you used. But what you have for now is fine. It looked like you did a nice job using what you had to repair it.
Just get the rigging up and get out there on the water and go sailing. Sailing in the fall in New England is really nice. The breeze is usually steady and there are less boats on the water.
I wouldn't put a lot of money into that boat. Just learn how to sail on it and later sell it and upgrade to one that comes with a roller furling jib if you want. You don't even know how this boat sails. If it isn't very responsive, then I would definitely not want to pour money into it.
nowhere near a west marine or sail loft. thanks for watching and for the comment!
DACRON TAPE AND LEARN TO STITCH, WE USE A AWL AND DENTAL FLOSS WAXED, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT ON THE CHEAP. THAT WILL GET YOU AT LEAST 2 SAIL DAYS BUT MAKE SURE YOUR ENGINE IS FULL OF FEUL JUST IN CASE OF COMPLETE SAIL FAILURE. A GOOD RADIO WOULD BE ADVISABLE AS WELL, ALL BOATS SHOULD HAVE ONE CG WILL HAVE A FIT IF YOU DONT, JUST SAYING, OLD ONE LEGGED JOSEPH T RETIRED NAVY
You can find any sail repair tape you need online at Sailrite.com or Annapolis Performance Sailing.
+Uncle Bob perfect I will check them both out and see if I can re-do it with something better
www.kiteaid.com/collections/sail-repair/products/sail-repair-kit
used this. it apparently bonds to the sail. I like it, for larger tears I did both sides. a little does go a long way for small nicks. youd probably need 2 rolls for the amount of repair in this video.
What's your opinion on a bent mast I just bought my first sailer mast is bent about 4 feet up not kinked or dimpled but enough to be 2 inches on end when laid flat can it be bent back if I take it easy
I have definitely heard of people bending back masts with no issues so long as they aren’t too bad to begin with. Question is do you know how it got that way in the first place?
@@SailingFreeStyle ohhh yes cought in a storm clipped bridge it even ripped the base plate out the top on my new sailer I will cut it out refiber glass it and bolt a stainless plate for reinforcement it ripped out the bolts and all it's a restored 1974 macgregor 23 cutter. Other than the storm mishap with the mast its flawless even the keel don't have a scratch on it I know with a little love and know how and time it will be perfect
One more thing, it's not safe to raise your sails on the trailer, a gust can blew your boat over.
+John Price not when there's no wind, lol come on give me a little credit I'm not that dumb.
Not dumb, but perhaps new to sailing. It's one of those adages like "Stay clear of lee shores" or "Don't smoke near the gas dock". 99% of the time nothing bad happens, but if it does, it is really bad and happens fast, especially in a light water ballast boat like yours. In fact MacGregor says you should never raise your sails even in the water unless your ballast tanks are full. Most marinas prohibit raising sails while on the hard regardless of wind.
you need real sail tape from sail maker
So RUclips is already free... Patreon is created to allow people to pay you to help with expenses of video creation... you can go to paypal and set up a tip jar for those people who don't want to pay every month but want to tip you once and while. Hope that helps!
+Chase Mixon good idea. I canceled my PayPal a while ago though because of issues with eBay trying to take my money (long story) not sure about setting another one back up. The reason I wanted to make Patreon free is because I'm kind of struggling with the whole social media side of this. Sometimes I post on Facebook but then not on Patreon and wonder if I'm ripping off my patrons and if I post on patron then other people don't have a chance to be engaged in that respect. And I just can't keep up with posting on Patreon and facebook and instantgram and everything else. So the idea was to have ONE place where I can make random update posts, photos, polls etc, engage a little more with fans and subscribers and use it as a social platform and then also have the benefit of the ability for people to give back a little if they wish and have their name in the credits in return all on that same platform. Thoughts?
Roller furler... defiantly worth the expense.
Ok, so you already figured it out that the liquid stitch was not such a good idea and you needed actual sail tape to reinforce. I am no expert on this because Little Girl is not even in the water yet but I have really studied the very old sails that came with her and I can see what they have had done in the past. The sail tape patches were also reinforced with stitching. (I think they had "pros" do it.) But your mainsail looks good and I hope you can get out there do some sailing while we still have a bit of summer left. Fair winds my friend! Can't wait to see the video!! (Heading for the Cape and more work on Little Girl on Sunday afternoon!!)
+Randy Gardner I looked for the kind of tape that was used on the sail before. It's more of a fabric material, but I couldn't find it. Hopefully someone can point me to a website where I can order some because I'd to try and pull all this stuff off and re-do it with a better tape. But for a test sail, it'll do as is for now. Few more little loose ends to tie up and hopefully by the end of the month I'll get her in a small lake up the street and see what happens!
You are right! I checked West Marine and I am shocked that all they have is rigging tape! However, Jamestown Distributors does have it! (Great suppliers)
www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=327658
Randy Gardner thanks randy I'll order a roll or 2 and hopefully that will work a little better until I can figure out if I want to upgrade the foresail or not.
Hmm,
www.westmarine.com/buy/bainbridge--dacron-sail-repair-tape--P002_068_002_503?recordNum=1
(don't get the rip stop tape, it's for lighter sails)
What kind of boat is that pleas. I’m looking to buy a boat just like that, that I can trailed . Thank you
You are Super Lucky to Have such a Nice Sailboat. You did a Great Job Cleaning it All Up and your Fiberglass-ing was Awesome!!! You can always ask for a Direct Donation to your email address. I e-Transfer Money from my Bank Account to my Landlord's email address to pay my Rent etc... It's easy!
thanks!
First question ... Are you going to race or cruise ?? Makes for serious differences in sail design ! Taping is good, I'd go w/ something wider and a heavier cloth weight and longer stitches ! (fun reading ... "Mast Making, Sail Making and Rigging by Steel)
I don’t THINK I’ll be racing this boat (but I know people do) it’s just going to be for weekend getaways with the family. I will have to check that book out. Thank you so much for your support Thomas!
Why don't you call a sail loft and ask them what type of sail repair tape they use. Try North Sails, or Hood. in your neighborhood. Never the less you did a great job trying on the jib. I'd just go to one of the sites that will redo older sails. The ideal of roller furling with a nice genoa about 150%. I've loved all your vids. What a great job. Thanks Doug
Thanks Doug, unfortunately I live in the western part of the state and its a hike to get anywhere that does that, and I just don't have the time (might not be a bad idea If the family decides to take a trip out to the cape for a weekend though to bring the jib along!) So I would either have to send them out which cost $ to ship and all that. I think I just used a shitty tape and just hunted around for the stuff I originally wanted to get. But others have commented on where to find it, so I might just order some and rip this tape off and try again with the dacron stuff. Still my end goal i think is to next year end up with a roller furling 150% so i can have the entire range of sail with a tug of a rope.
Ryan,
How much is a new Jib? The jib you have seems like it has had better days..... Keep in mind,... I know nadda. Just getting into sailing. I bought a 15 foot boat as my trainer. Any ideas how I can learn to sail for free?? Videos are awesome.
+Edward Young around $300 used (if I can find one) $500 new or $1200 to upgrade to a roller furling system (includes sail). And you can learn to sail for free by getting out there and yanking on ropes! Honestly though I have never sailed before and have no worries. I read a few books and watched a lot of videos and I really don't think it's as necessary as people make it to get lessons. I DO however have experience boating in general, again self taught and started small (from canoes and kayaks to a 14 foot aluminum 10hp tiller to an 18 foot fiberglass 150hp OB to now 26 foot fiberglass sail) so I mean if you have experience with boats and how they behave then I wouldn't be concerned. But if you have ZERO experience on a boat then yea I would maybe get lessons or take your time and start small. But you said yours was 15 feet? Shit I say just go for it! If it has a motor I would motor that thing around without a mast a few times, get used to that. Practice turning and stoping and docking and all that first and understand how her hull behaves in the water. Then after a few days of that and a few books read throw the sails up and see what happens. If something starts going bad, point into the wind, drop the sails and get the motor started and you're back in control. That's my plan and I'll be sure to get it all on video for you.
Thats quite a modern rig on that boat. Small genoa on a fractional rig. My 70's boat is the opposite with small mainsail and 150% genoa.
You could fit a self taking jib bar on that to make single handing easier, same as the hunter horizon 23
Cool! I'll definitely look into that!
Maybe try some hockey tape because it's waterproof and pretty sticky an if it doesn't work it's only like $5
good thought, I played a lot of hockey when I was young so I'm pretty familiar with the stuff, and believe me if the tape I just used is having trouble staying adhered to the sail, then hockey tape doesn't have a shot. The stuff was suuuuuper sticky and I was pretty impressed when I first put it on, but after a few days that first impression was flushed down the toilet.
I guess I don't know the fabric of your sail but I thought because of its nature being used for ice hockey it may be able to hold it together
hear yeah go, do this to the whole bad side, they have the sail tape too
ruclips.net/video/kGhij79W4QY/видео.html
awesome! I'll check them out!
sailrite does great videos!
Lots of hard work paying off looking salty !!!!!!
yea buddy! Thanks for the comment!
Enjoying your vids man.
Cash app is a pretty decent "tip jar" for the random tipper. I'm a musician and in this time of the "bug" everyone's scared of, it can be a few bucks when playing "live" on facebook or other media.
Keep up the goodvwork!
Roller furling is nice, but adds complexity. They can cause problems if they jam. Stay with the hank on system.
+Sam Lewis good point, not entirely convinced it’s worth the extra cost. I am toying with the idea of a home made furler. I’ve seen some made with only $40 worth of materials!
Use sail tape over the whole edge, I know, a real booger... but that and heavily sewing the edge will reinforce the sail and give you a better result. Also, tape that hole on the mainsail with sail tape on both sides of the sail and heavily sew the whole patch, otherwise the wind pressure might pull the sail repair currently on the mainsail out catastrophically.
When inspecting a sail know that the stitching usually fails first. Use a small screwdriver to pick at the stitching to determine if is good.
+Sam Lewis good tip! Thank you!
the main reefing looks fine for "single line reefing" aka "Jiffy reefing", except you normally reef from the mast end, not the boom end. You don't want to try to grab the end of the boom, especially in reefing conditions.
Mainsail Grommet.... was that your engine hammer or do you have a different hammer for different uses?
Looks to me like the reefing line is correct except , you want to tie it to the cleat on the starboard side of the mast . The grommet in the lower part of the sail is for you're Cunningham if you want to set one up which is not absolutely necessary. You also need some short lines to go thru the holes in the sail to tie the sail to the boom when it is reefed. you can put them thru the holes and tie a knot at the hole on each side so they don't come out and are ready to go in vase you need to reef the sail. The foot of the sail should fill out when there is enuf wind to fill the sail.
+vyger63 I had actually mapped out a way to rig a Cunningham with the rope running aft to adjust from the cockpit with some spare blocks I had laying around, but then wasn't sure if the extra line running aft would be better used for a down haul on either sail. Both sails drop pretty easy under their own weight in my back yard but having no experience to go by I feel it might be a different story when they are filled with wind. I planned on redoing the entire deck layout next season and basically have room for 1 more line to run aft, what do you think it would best be used for? (Currently there's main halyard, jib sheet and dagger board control on the starboard and jib halyard and sheet on port with room for one more on the port side)
The cunningham is considered a downhaul as it tightens the the front of the mainsail. They are helpful in taking wrinkes out of the mainsail but not that necessary. You could use the extra space for a boom vang led aft.
vyger63 boomvang is definitely on my list of upgrades!
I think a new jib is the way to go then you have it for a lot longer time with no worries.
+lesabre1972 I agree. Would you spend the extra on a roller furler or stick with a hank on?
keep it original and it'll be less money.
Did you sail this year? No more videos from you. I miss that !
What drone/camera setup are you using?