The reason there isn’t a manual in the 992.2, at least in the already announced GTS, is because one of the two e-motors is actually integrated into the PDK transmission. So unless their engineers can figure out how to make it work with a manual transmission, don’t think it’s gonna happen. At least with the hybrid setup. The second e-turbo motor is actually the less powerful of the two motors. So let’s just say they strip out the one attached to the PDK, you’re gonna end up with less overall hybrid output
It's called a *_standard_* transmission for a reason. _"The fact is I don't drive just to get from A to B. I enjoy feeling the car's reactions, becoming part of it."_ *~Enzo Ferrari* Stay classy my friends.
See, I feel like the Caymans are the bigger issue to talk about if the rumors are true about them going all electric in the future. That's a way bigger travesty, in my opinion.
Remember that Porsche is under heavy emission standards pressure from the EU and to a lesser extent in the US, so hybrid conversion and subsequently a fully electric fleet is in the cards. They seem to be committed to this approach. Witness the 718 series and the new Macan. However, I also think that electric cars are struggling to sell, putting many brands in financial hot water. Geopolitical changes may lead EU and US back to reality and subsequently the ICE option will flourish once again. I am not convinced an all electric Porsche future is the right financial move. That said, happy I took my 2024 992.1 GTS with 7spd manual allocation when I did. Hoping the new T and S will stay ICE with manual option for the enthusiast crowd. Leaving Turbo and GT product out for now...separate discussion...
Took delivery of my 2024 992.1 S Coupe Manual Racing Yellow. Non of this is now available. Loved my car the minute I drove it off the lot. Will be keeping this for a while. Most likely Porsche will come out with Manual somewhere in the near future...do not despair. Would love to see the Turbo get back three pedals!
I traded in my 911 997.1 turbo cab in manual for an even trade 2022 brand new 718 spyder. I added $20,000 in upgrades. I always thought I wanted the Porsche poster child but once I owned it and drove it a few years I really didn’t find it to be the best drivers car. The 718 Spyder in manual has everything I need and nothing at don’t. I love it and can get everything out of it! Perfect driving dynamics, power to rate ratio and the manual is just a dream. The last of its kind and god I’m glad I have one.
I’m leery of the complexity of the t-hybrid, but the more I read about it the more impressive it seems. We’ll always have a million older 911s with old school gearboxes. As new generations of buyers come of age, I suspect the current angst over PDK (or gearboxes as a thing…) will fade. In the meantime, clamoring for three-pedal manuals feels like arguing to handicap the 911 - which is intended to be a performance car. A Miata, OTOH, is a plaything. I’d understand an old school manual there.
So happy I managed to pick up my 2024 Racing Yellow 6-speed manual 718 Cayman, with PASM, 20 inch Carrera wheels, all-black all-leather interior, PDLS, and a bunch of other things before it went out of production in the EU. Adding this to my very small manual-only car collection: 5-speed VII Accord, a 2003 6-speed Avantgarde CLK 200, a 2019 6-speed MX-5 ND2 2.0L in SRC color with all the bells and whistles (Recaro's, Bilsteins, anti-roll bars, etc), and my trusty daily 5-speed manual Freelander Td4 (with the M47 engine on it).
I confirmed with my Porsche Dealer that 992.2 in 2026 will offer manuals. They did not confirm which models, but as others have mentioned it will more than likely the S, T and GT3. The S and T may go hybrid. I’m hoping they keep those as NA manuals. I bought a 992.1 T and traded it in for a 992.1 manual GTS, so grateful I have one of the last manual non hybrid GTS. Delivery should be end of July or early August.
I ordered a Cayman GTS 4.0 that should be delivered in August because it’s got 3 pedals, a fully analog gauge cluster, and physical buttons to control things. And it’s the right size - feels identical to my 996 Turbo from the drivers seat (just no rear seats). Felt to me like the last old school Porsche, but with modern engineering for engine and suspension - the “hybrid” I was looking for. These cars are sadly getting too big and too bloated.
There will still be manual versions, just that most options will be PDK and those with hybrid drivetrains like the electric motor as part of the PDK. It’s progress. I used to be a big manual fan, but since having a knee injury I warmed to the PDK, and ignored all the negative opinions. I now have zero pain when driving, can focus on throttle, braking and steering inputs… still a great drivers car!
I'm not smart enough to make Porsche money but I was smart enough to purchase a ZL1 6 speed before GM decided to cancel Camaro production. #savethemanuals
Every time a new iteration of the 911 comes out, well at least from recent memory, they always release it without a manual. But six months down the line Tah-Dah there's a Manual offering!
I'll always be a manual guy. While I can appreciate how superior the auto boxes have become, they inevitably always tie the car to the era it was made in, aging it accordingly, whereas the manual gearbox is a timeless thing. Not to mention far less complex to keep going as things get sloppy over the years. I just like simplicity in my machines. Its pretty clear that most enthusiasts share this sentiment, as the prices of used manuals vs autos speak for themselves.
I just snagged my dream 991.1 C2S in manual. Yeah the EPS steering is meh but the manual and the sport exhaust make every drive an experience. Can’t decide what I would miss more; the manual transmission or the naturally aspirated engine 🤔 At this point, I’m more interested in the air cooled models than any of the new stuff.
Walk the lot of any Porsche dealership and try to find a used 911 with manual transmission. I live in Germany and it is virtually impossible. The reality (seems) to be that most people don’t want to change gears. Additionally I have to say that a PDK suites the overall character of a 992, it really has evolved into a GT car more in line with an Aston Martin than it’s predecessors.
Same in the UK, I have been looking at buying a 911 GTS manual but now they have removed the manual gearbox from the configurator. I called Porsche GB and they said that they didn't know anything about t and told me to go to a dealer, but they know even less!
Great video @Rennthusiast! I’m currently waiting for a new 992.1 GTS manual that is stuck at San Francisco port. Suspect it’s the Belarus chip issue. Is it worth waiting for? I’m driving a ‘22 718 Cayman S with a 6-speed manual. Feels better than my previous 997s 6-speed. Quicker too.
My MT 996C2 was a lot of fun to drive. My 997.1tt less so (under reasonably full acceleration, you had to shift out of 1st ridiculously quickly). My 991.2tt is a joy to drive in PDK.
Interesting look at this development. Most buyers can´t use the speed available using the PDK anyway, but that´s what they buy so more power to them. I would always opt for the more fun option, but hey, I´m an old guy who learned to drive on a column mounted 3 speed, had a second car with a floor mounted 4 speed and grew to love sports cars on a five year old MG Midget with wire wheels.
Group breakdown sounds like work. 😅. I'm not pissed because I switched to automatics when they became faster, and I became older (convenience in traffic). That said, didnt Porsche hold off on announcing standard trans for the initial 992 release? I think theyll come later in some models.
The new regulations require that over the entire power curve, there is to be no excess or lack of fuel (rich or lean) allowed. They must use a hybrid (and thus pdk only) to meet the new regulations.
I think PDKs ARE great. Just not for me. It’s just a matter of preference of driving experience: Manual simply makes me feel more “connected” or “one with” my vehicles. Not to mention, manual drivers are less likely to be as distracted, texting etc.. I’m in that odd group of folks who love Porsches and MINIs, and I am pissed that Porsche is discontinuing manual, and grateful that MINI is still offering it. although I haven’t been terribly keen on the changes in MINIs or Porsche’s from 2018 on. Long live the 3-Pedal Posse. I would be thrilled if ALL car manufacturers did away with the blinding Xenon headlights. I know the genie is out of the bottle on that one, but come on. It isn’t as if we’re 4-wheeling at night in the desert (well, some of us are, but not most).
Really hope the manual is coming later, as it did with the 991. For many of us, there's a level of engagement you just don't get with a PDK/auto transmission.
Government emissions targets in Europe are making it difficult for manufacturers to produce manual gearboxes. Even the new 1 series BMW is automatic only (for now) Only the base 992.2 would interest me now but I'm certain that a t will rescue the manual next year🙏
This is alarmism and not based in any fact. The GTS and base Carrera 992.2 wont have manual. They haven't announced the GT3, the Carrera S, the Carrera T yet... We may see manual 992.2s in 2026
My girlfriend can’t drive a manual. My car is a manual. 0 stress of the random, “ let me drive the Porsche to get groceries “ problem solved :). All jokes aside, if I wanted a car to set lap times I acknowledge the pdk is better. I love driving my car on the mountain roads near where I live. For that nothing beats a flat 6 sound with a manual gear box in my opinion. Hopefully Porsche brings back the option. If not, I think all of our manual cars will appreciate over the decade to come :)
I don’t own a 911 yet, though I’lI have the means to buy a 992.2 early next year, if given an allocation. I want a manual, but I can settle for the PDK if thats the only option. I’ll just be glad to own one.
So far, the 992.2 Carrera and GTS aren’t available with a manual gearbox - the GTS for technical reasons, having an electric motor in the PDK box. But who says the forthcoming 992.2 GT3 won’t have the 6 speed manual box as an option, if the engine remains the 4.0 liter NA engine (possibly upgraded to 4.2 liter) without the T-Hybrid system ? 😎
Reason manuals don't have high take rates for 911s is because enthusiasts don't buy them...but not for the reason you're thinking. Most enthusiasts are very familiar with depreciation and they tend to be 2nd-4th buyers for a vehicle. The first buyer is predominantly not your enthusiast . (If you're reading this, then you ARE the enthusiast type, even if you buy new, so I'm not talking about you). The first buyer is usually more about flexing or having the most comfortable / modern version for daily driving (most tech, most comfort features) or they're enthusiasts who are too old to be able to drive a manual comfortably, so they buy a PDK. (Again, new enthusiast buyers DO exist, but they're farther out on the customer curve and are rare.) I'd be curious to see a pole of new buyers vs used buyers, and what their preference is. I bet that would illustrate the differences in priorities.
Brilliant point, and I totally agree that those who watch my videos, follow Rennthusiast on FB, IG lean toward being enthusiast drivers/passionate more so than the large bulk of buyers you mention.
Chinese company that went out of business during the pandemic…but I am reasonably confident Porsche might have had something to do with shutting them down 😂 It was blatant trademark theft
To me, my 997.2 6 speed manual is all I will ever need - I’m sure a seven speed manual will become available in the new range but it won’t be for me - love the channel.
That 86 is a stupendous example….I was not driving it and it bothered me to have it sit. I’ve cycled through the air cooled models that I wanted to sample, and not really pursuing anything specific now. Enjoying my 991.2 S, 981 Spyder and my 993.
@@Rennthusiast Hopefully another pops up on BaT so I can maybe have a chance. Listing my Z06 shortly so I can get into the Porsche world. Thanks for the content!
What Porsche does in the future does affect me. Whether they sell manuals or not affects me far less. As long as they can stay in business so I can buy parts, I am ok with it. I am not buying a new car anyway. People who have the cash to buy new P cars probably don't give a rip what enthusiasts want. Porsche, do what you gotta do to stay solvent so I can buy parts for my 996 GT3!😂
Who said there will be no more manuals? Maybe no more manual when there's a hybrid but the other ones are the same engines as the .1 so I don't see why they wouldn't offer it down the road with the S just like they did previously.
Maybe Porsche is taking a play from Toyota, when they first released the MKV Supra, which wasn’t offered as a manual, subsequently a few years later we were offered it in a 6MT. Either way, they’ve definitely irritated the manual transmission crowd. One thing you really shouldn’t do as a company is piss off your customers, just saying Porsche…
I had my first exposure to a non manual Porsche. I just bought a 991.1 GT3 Cup car and that sequential transmission is off the charts fun on track. I love my manual transmission daily driver 993 also but am now forever spoiled in terms of a track toy.
I'd be fairly shocked if the Carrera S/GT3/T/etc won't offer a manual. I think back to when they tried to kill the manual in the 991 GT3 and customers grabbed pitch forks so they brought it back. Maybe I could see it if all the non-announced 911 models will also be T-hybrids, then PDK only would make sense. That seems like a stretch though given the Carrera is a non-hybrid.
Will, not only that (especially given that)..... but, insult to injury, they criminally missed the grand opportunity with the new sub generation to fix (rid) the nubbin-shaver PDK shifter abomination once and for all, and bring back the more traditional 991 style PDK shifter (at least !@#?), complete with +/- function. So, to summarize missed opportunities, I'm sure among others: 1. No more manual widely available. Including making available on the base again per 991, etc. 2. Nubbin-shaver shifter per above 3. Gauges others have mentioned here 4. Door handles. Don't fix what weren't broke. Bring back the traditional 991 and earlier style. 5. Reintroduce pre 991 mechanical/cable-operated frunk lid, de-neccesitating (?) jumping the in-cabin fusebox in case of power failure... to of course enable accessing trunk contents including.... drumroll.....the battery!
well, that shows that the effect of the extra weight and fuel consumption of the automatic on the environment is not of interest to the Porsche buyers. on the other hand, the shift in my 911T manual is not that top-class.... even wen fully overhauled.
I think they are prepping people for a future where internal combustion engines are phased out for electric - which would explain this. I like my PDK, but was close to ordering my specs with a manual. Sad.
Things change. Enthusiasts said no to water cooled 911 when it first came out, too. Bottom line is, to stay competitive with other brands, you have to adapt. I've driven a PDK for 7 years now. I'm happy with it. I understand nostalgia and the feel of a more analog experience. If that's your thing, a restored classic is what you need. I'm an audiophile, and I have a vacuum tube amplifier. So I get it. But technology will continue to advance, and things will change.
Manual versions of all 911 and 718 models sell for higher used price, yet cost a few thousand cheaper originally. The quote for how few porsches sell manuals is not accurate. I do not remember the number off hand. Another thing is how many manuals are on a uses 911 718 dealer lot. Normally 0 of 70+. Sometimes one GT3. They are littered with low option low mile 911’s with PDK. And, if it was the case that there were only say 8% manuals, which is not the case, losing 8% of customers is suicide as a company. Worse is that enthusiasts who drive a brand do not buy one. What is the % of driving enthusiasts who buy manuals? MX-5’s is over 50% and growing. That is near purely an enthusiast car. Porsche is pushed by the enthusiasts. Why piss them off on a car that has an enormous markup and brand loyalty? I am guessing their will be a S in manual. I think the only car that makes sense with electric assist is the Targa. It is heavy and could use some launch help.
Honestly, we'll be lucky if Porsche doesn't go all electric in the coming decades, so this lack of a manual is quite small in comparison. I guess I'm the crowd that likes to predict into the future. Guess we'll see.
Jaguar committed corporate suicide by going all electric. All the other manufacturers have EV's sitting on their lots for months at a time. The future of electric is questionable at this point. Even Elon Musk fired his entire Super Charger department.
Porsche will continue to make outstanding modern products. The manual transmission will most likely be available in the 992.2 at some point. Their future sports cars will be fast and full of technology. The biggest issue is the price which will most certainly continue to rise. With current " non turbo " 992.1's approaching 200K mark with options will prevent the average enthusiast from ever owning one. Even the base 992.1's are in the 130-140K range. The T's are 150-160K. These are crazy numbers for a mass produced car designed to be daily driven and driven hard. There are very few 992.1s on the road presently. It seems that most people that buy them, try to resell them fairly quickly. I am guessing the reason is the price. It is hard to put miles on a $200K car.
I mean, this is the information we have now…but I can’t disagree that: 1. The pattern is that Porsche rolls out manuals later 2. We only know about the GTS
@@RennthusiastFair point, I just think the title shouldn’t have been so definitive. They *might* not have a manual any more is more accurate. We just don’t know yet. But if it doesn’t, I agree it’s a big deal and will likely upset people.
@@billnorblat4047I think that the GTS doesn’t have a manual because of the hybrid system. We know the base is not a hybrid. If the S is not a hybrid, it might have a manual. If you look at the 992.1, base was auto only, while T, S, and GTS had manuals. So I’m assuming that the T and S are likely to have manuals *unless* they are hybrid. But the T typically has base engine, power is similar to the prior T, so no reason they couldn’t put the 992.1 manual transmission in it.
@@Rennthusiast We have no formal information at all about whether there will be manuals. It's total speculation to say there will be no more manuals. So, it is pretty clickbaity to pitch it like that. especially when, in reality, there almost certainly will be manuals, probably T and GT3 at least, and possibly the S too.
It feels to me like Porsche is taking all the things that enthusiast drivers want and moving them further and further up in the model line. A regular Joe who just wants the clout of driving a 911 could care less about a manual transmission or a high revving naturally aspirated engine but those are things Porsche's most enthusiastic customers want so why not make them pay a premium for them.
Why is it everyone is up at arms when they take it away.. but nobody orders One new? 10% in new cars. Old men buying an expensive car. Thrilled my dream spec 991.1 in 6 speed is in my garage. They'll offer it in manual but you'll have to pay. They know how to empty the well heeled buyers wallet.
There will absolutely be a manual transmission 992.2 GT3. These videos and clickbait BS are headlining grabbing at its finest. Other 992.2 models that aren’t GT3 and haven’t been announced yet will stop offer a manual transmission
@@billnorblat4047 well Andreas Preuninger himself said that the GT3 will remain naturally aspirated for the 992 generation. Wouldn’t talk about what happens after that but doesn’t look like any big changes for 992.2 and certainly no Turbo/Hybrid
Wrong! The 992.2 Turbo WILL be manual (not the S, which will be PDK). The leaked videos and reports strongly show manual will be for that model, and they are doing a few other special last throw of the dice models, these will be the final Heritage ones with the awaited used of Pascha cloth.
Based on your video (and others) not liking your new Porsche because it wasn’t as engaging, I probably wouldn’t consider anything newer than a 991.2. Yeah, I get the disappointment, but it’s not like they decided to make all .911s electric. That’s more of a “disaster” situation. Hopefully that day never comes. I like my manual 911 and my PDK Boxster too.
I guess we will have more posers than real drivers in the Porsche brand unfortunately if manuals are no longer offered with real enthusiast drivers buying up older manual variants 🤷♂️🤦🏽♂️
It’s not proven that other variants aren’t going to have a manual option, so the question is moot. That said, every time Porsche evolves the 911 the bitching comes out, but somehow the wait list to get a new one never gets smaller. I ordered a 992.1 C4S with PDK which represented my first time not having a manual in my Porsche and I will admit that it is awesome. I still love the manual transmission but evolution is OK too. I think the new GTS will be epic and I’m not ruling it out just because it has PDK, a button to start the car and no analog tach. In the grand scheme of things those items are equivalent to mice nuts.
Not happy that Porsche decided to remove the manual transmission from their line up. I'd be surprised if they asked their customers. A little pretentious on their part thinking they can decide what the customer desires.
I like PDKs for the same reason I prefer Formula 1 over Nascar. The coolest, most performant stuff is part of the gear-head hobby. Anyway, folks putting manuals in GT3's was always a head scratcher to me. The engines so out-class a manual transmission workflow. Why not just buy a non-GT product?? Wouldn't that make more sense if you're just going to be puttering around town?
Haven't warched the video but here is my theorie: Pursts cant afford new Porsches. The people who actually buy them rather be, theoretical, 0.3 sec faster to 60 just in case that one time in their life they stand next to a worthy competitor at the trafficlights.
I think this is all a bit alarmist, at least for the 992.2 generation. The manual will be back, just not in the hybrids. We have historical precedent here that should help us all relax juuuuust a little. Is this a signal of the potential end of the manual? Of course. It's barely hanging on. Porsche doesn't really care about us as much as we think they should. They are a for profit business, and MOST of us enthusiasts are buying older models, which does nearly NOTHING for Porsche's bottom line. If they listened to us, we'd have no water-cooled cars, no Cayenne, no Boxster, and consequently no Porsche. They MUST adapt. They have no choice. I'll be sad when the manual is gone. Truly. But I, like most of you, will have gears to row in the garage, and we should be thankful our favorite brand put as much effort into keeping us engaged for as long as possible. Great video, Will. Thanks for the content, and I applaud you for the effort you put into approaching potentially hot topics with class, nuance, and reason.
Manuals will be an option for the GT3 along with keeping it NA to ensure it maintains it exclusivity. There is also chance they may make the turbo model a manual whereas the turbo s will be hybrid.
Well Aston Martin will still offer a manual.Porsche is doing this all wrong, the manual makes a Porsche just more fun to drive.I have a 997.2 GTS manual and only a Ferrari 360 or 430 manual might be able to replace it.Porsche please save the manuals, its what sets you apart from the rest of the new sports cars available.
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The reason there isn’t a manual in the 992.2, at least in the already announced GTS, is because one of the two e-motors is actually integrated into the PDK transmission. So unless their engineers can figure out how to make it work with a manual transmission, don’t think it’s gonna happen. At least with the hybrid setup. The second e-turbo motor is actually the less powerful of the two motors. So let’s just say they strip out the one attached to the PDK, you’re gonna end up with less overall hybrid output
And underlying this nonsense is the whole ...FAKE...."climate change" agenda. Sad.
My understanding is that manuals may be offered in other .2 variants (S, T, GT3) later in the cycle? Glad my 992.1S is a manual 👍🏽 however.
It's called a *_standard_* transmission for a reason.
_"The fact is I don't drive just to get from A to B. I enjoy feeling the car's reactions, becoming part of it."_ *~Enzo Ferrari*
Stay classy my friends.
They will , I think we should talk about the digital dash .
Which is a far lager issue, than a MY without 3 pedals.
I'm with you. Porsche, please bring back the real 5 dial dash!
It’s cheap to produce a crap lcd screen. My MX-5 RF has a 10000x nicer gauge experience. My 718 T has fairly old school gauges thank goodness.
@@doriangray2347 the 718 is the last sports car Porsche makes. 992.1/.2 are grand tourers.
I agree, this is the first time I’ve not been excited about the new 911, and I’m a long time fan.
Manual is so important for that drivers experience - I adore my factory manual E46 BMW M3 coupe
E46 M3 is a great driver’s car. That’s one BMW I would like to own.
I’m so happy I just received my 2024 718 Cayman S with a manual and sport chrono in Chalk with graphite blue interior on 20 inch wheels.
See, I feel like the Caymans are the bigger issue to talk about if the rumors are true about them going all electric in the future. That's a way bigger travesty, in my opinion.
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Remember that Porsche is under heavy emission standards pressure from the EU and to a lesser extent in the US, so hybrid conversion and subsequently a fully electric fleet is in the cards. They seem to be committed to this approach. Witness the 718 series and the new Macan. However, I also think that electric cars are struggling to sell, putting many brands in financial hot water. Geopolitical changes may lead EU and US back to reality and subsequently the ICE option will flourish once again. I am not convinced an all electric Porsche future is the right financial move. That said, happy I took my 2024 992.1 GTS with 7spd manual allocation when I did. Hoping the new T and S will stay ICE with manual option for the enthusiast crowd. Leaving Turbo and GT product out for now...separate discussion...
I just picked up my 2024 Carrera S 7 speed end of May. I guess I got lucky. Keeping that one forever.
You steer an automatic. You DRIVE a manual.
Took delivery of my 2024 992.1 S Coupe Manual Racing Yellow. Non of this is now available. Loved my car the minute I drove it off the lot. Will be keeping this for a while. Most likely Porsche will come out with Manual somewhere in the near future...do not despair. Would love to see the Turbo get back three pedals!
I traded in my 911 997.1 turbo cab in manual for an even trade 2022 brand new 718 spyder. I added $20,000 in upgrades.
I always thought I wanted the Porsche poster child but once I owned it and drove it a few years I really didn’t find it to be the best drivers car.
The 718 Spyder in manual has everything I need and nothing at don’t. I love it and can get everything out of it! Perfect driving dynamics, power to rate ratio and the manual is just a dream. The last of its kind and god I’m glad I have one.
I’m leery of the complexity of the t-hybrid, but the more I read about it the more impressive it seems. We’ll always have a million older 911s with old school gearboxes. As new generations of buyers come of age, I suspect the current angst over PDK (or gearboxes as a thing…) will fade. In the meantime, clamoring for three-pedal manuals feels like arguing to handicap the 911 - which is intended to be a performance car. A Miata, OTOH, is a plaything. I’d understand an old school manual there.
So happy I managed to pick up my 2024 Racing Yellow 6-speed manual 718 Cayman, with PASM, 20 inch Carrera wheels, all-black all-leather interior, PDLS, and a bunch of other things before it went out of production in the EU.
Adding this to my very small manual-only car collection: 5-speed VII Accord, a 2003 6-speed Avantgarde CLK 200, a 2019 6-speed MX-5 ND2 2.0L in SRC color with all the bells and whistles (Recaro's, Bilsteins, anti-roll bars, etc), and my trusty daily 5-speed manual Freelander Td4 (with the M47 engine on it).
I confirmed with my Porsche Dealer that 992.2 in 2026 will offer manuals. They did not confirm which models, but as others have mentioned it will more than likely the S, T and GT3. The S and T may go hybrid. I’m hoping they keep those as NA manuals.
I bought a 992.1 T and traded it in for a 992.1 manual GTS, so grateful I have one of the last manual non hybrid GTS. Delivery should be end of July or early August.
On a similar boat. Bought a 992.1 T manual (to be sold in the coming weeks) and now waiting for a 992.1 Carrera S manual arriving in August this year.
S and T haven’t been NA for years
@@bbostic_5 T has never been NA. Well, not since the 1970s when it had about 120hp!
My apologies I meant non hybrid, not NA
I ordered a Cayman GTS 4.0 that should be delivered in August because it’s got 3 pedals, a fully analog gauge cluster, and physical buttons to control things. And it’s the right size - feels identical to my 996 Turbo from the drivers seat (just no rear seats). Felt to me like the last old school Porsche, but with modern engineering for engine and suspension - the “hybrid” I was looking for. These cars are sadly getting too big and too bloated.
You will love it!
I just picked mine up a few weeks back. The car exceeded my expectations by 1000x! You’re gonna love it. Congratulations!
There will still be manual versions, just that most options will be PDK and those with hybrid drivetrains like the electric motor as part of the PDK. It’s progress. I used to be a big manual fan, but since having a knee injury I warmed to the PDK, and ignored all the negative opinions. I now have zero pain when driving, can focus on throttle, braking and steering inputs… still a great drivers car!
I'm not smart enough to make Porsche money but I was smart enough to purchase a ZL1 6 speed before GM decided to cancel Camaro production. #savethemanuals
Every time a new iteration of the 911 comes out, well at least from recent memory, they always release it without a manual. But six months down the line Tah-Dah there's a Manual offering!
I have a 1999 (996) 6 speed factory aero kit. Its an absolutely beauty and drives fantastic!
Am surprised it lasted this long, and I respect that they held out. Am sure if someone looks at the sales numbers. People aren't buying Manuals.
I'll always be a manual guy. While I can appreciate how superior the auto boxes have become, they inevitably always tie the car to the era it was made in, aging it accordingly, whereas the manual gearbox is a timeless thing. Not to mention far less complex to keep going as things get sloppy over the years. I just like simplicity in my machines. Its pretty clear that most enthusiasts share this sentiment, as the prices of used manuals vs autos speak for themselves.
I just snagged my dream 991.1 C2S in manual. Yeah the EPS steering is meh but the manual and the sport exhaust make every drive an experience. Can’t decide what I would miss more; the manual transmission or the naturally aspirated engine 🤔
At this point, I’m more interested in the air cooled models than any of the new stuff.
Is the current manual really same trans only auto shifters on auto ?
Walk the lot of any Porsche dealership and try to find a used 911 with manual transmission. I live in Germany and it is virtually impossible. The reality (seems) to be that most people don’t want to change gears. Additionally I have to say that a PDK suites the overall character of a 992, it really has evolved into a GT car more in line with an Aston Martin than it’s predecessors.
Same in the UK, I have been looking at buying a 911 GTS manual but now they have removed the manual gearbox from the configurator. I called Porsche GB and they said that they didn't know anything about t and told me to go to a dealer, but they know even less!
Great video @Rennthusiast! I’m currently waiting for a new 992.1 GTS manual that is stuck at San Francisco port. Suspect it’s the Belarus chip issue. Is it worth waiting for?
I’m driving a ‘22 718 Cayman S with a 6-speed manual. Feels better than my previous 997s 6-speed. Quicker too.
My MT 996C2 was a lot of fun to drive. My 997.1tt less so (under reasonably full acceleration, you had to shift out of 1st ridiculously quickly). My 991.2tt is a joy to drive in PDK.
The 997.1 Turbo in 6 speed is an absolute gem. Money no object, that’s the one to buy. Analog, heritage, and gorgeous throwback looks.
Not me! I’m an enthusiast and although I was raised driving manuals, I love the PDK! 😍
Still like manuals but on classic cars!
Also, to those considering getting a T, I would highly recommend building it like a track weapon. Use the base Carrera or GTS like a touring vehicle.
If I was getting a T, I would almost certainly get it in a manual. Otherwise just get the base or the S. If really track focuses, get the GTS or GT3
Interesting look at this development. Most buyers can´t use the speed available using the PDK anyway, but that´s what they buy so more power to them. I would always opt for the more fun option, but hey, I´m an old guy who learned to drive on a column mounted 3 speed, had a second car with a floor mounted 4 speed and grew to love sports cars on a five year old MG Midget with wire wheels.
Group breakdown sounds like work. 😅.
I'm not pissed because I switched to automatics when they became faster, and I became older (convenience in traffic).
That said, didnt Porsche hold off on announcing standard trans for the initial 992 release? I think theyll come later in some models.
The new regulations require that over the entire power curve, there is to be no excess or lack of fuel (rich or lean) allowed. They must use a hybrid (and thus pdk only) to meet the new regulations.
Dang. Hadn’t heard that. Was hoping manual would appear on other trims.
That would certainly explain why they are marketing based on their 1:1 fuel ratios for future engines.
@@Rennthusiast the only one that I can see as a "Maybe" is the T... and that's a big maybe.
I think PDKs ARE great. Just not for me. It’s just a matter of preference of driving experience: Manual simply makes me feel more “connected” or “one with” my vehicles. Not to mention, manual drivers are less likely to be as distracted, texting etc..
I’m in that odd group of folks who love Porsches and MINIs, and I am pissed that Porsche is discontinuing manual, and grateful that MINI is still offering it. although I haven’t been terribly keen on the changes in MINIs or Porsche’s from 2018 on. Long live the 3-Pedal Posse. I would be thrilled if ALL car manufacturers did away with the blinding Xenon headlights. I know the genie is out of the bottle on that one, but come on. It isn’t as if we’re 4-wheeling at night in the desert (well, some of us are, but not most).
The 992.1 base carrera already only comes in 8-spd PDK...you need to upgrade to the T/S/GTS for the ***OPTION*** of a 7-spd stick
The strangest thing is the omission of an analog tach. That hurts.
There will be a manual option on the base or T trims once they are released.
Really hope the manual is coming later, as it did with the 991. For many of us, there's a level of engagement you just don't get with a PDK/auto transmission.
Bottom line now is buy whatever your manual gas version you like and keep it as they won’t be making anymore going forward.
I hope it’s coming later to the ICE only. Someone in Porsche leadership said they wouldn’t Fido a manual for the hybrid
A manual is difficult to match the high torque and HP of the 992.2 as the weight addition of the beefed up gearbox would be counter to those stats.
Government emissions targets in Europe are making it difficult for manufacturers to produce manual gearboxes.
Even the new 1 series BMW is automatic only (for now)
Only the base 992.2 would interest me now but I'm certain that a t will rescue the manual next year🙏
Always had a manual, but just drove a PDK in Germany and became a believer
This is alarmism and not based in any fact. The GTS and base Carrera 992.2 wont have manual. They haven't announced the GT3, the Carrera S, the Carrera T yet... We may see manual 992.2s in 2026
My girlfriend can’t drive a manual. My car is a manual. 0 stress of the random, “ let me drive the Porsche to get groceries “ problem solved :).
All jokes aside, if I wanted a car to set lap times I acknowledge the pdk is better. I love driving my car on the mountain roads near where I live. For that nothing beats a flat 6 sound with a manual gear box in my opinion.
Hopefully Porsche brings back the option. If not, I think all of our manual cars will appreciate over the decade to come :)
Been away for a couple of weeks and enjoyed seeing your latest video. Some of the comments were funny.
I don’t own a 911 yet, though I’lI have the means to buy a 992.2 early next year, if given an allocation. I want a manual, but I can settle for the PDK if thats the only option. I’ll just be glad to own one.
Well, my C5 Corvette is a 6 speed manual so I bought my Porsche to have the PDK experience lol!
So far, the 992.2 Carrera and GTS aren’t available with a manual gearbox - the GTS for technical reasons, having an electric motor in the PDK box. But who says the forthcoming 992.2 GT3 won’t have the 6 speed manual box as an option, if the engine remains the 4.0 liter NA engine (possibly upgraded to 4.2 liter) without the T-Hybrid system ? 😎
Reason manuals don't have high take rates for 911s is because enthusiasts don't buy them...but not for the reason you're thinking. Most enthusiasts are very familiar with depreciation and they tend to be 2nd-4th buyers for a vehicle. The first buyer is predominantly not your enthusiast . (If you're reading this, then you ARE the enthusiast type, even if you buy new, so I'm not talking about you). The first buyer is usually more about flexing or having the most comfortable / modern version for daily driving (most tech, most comfort features) or they're enthusiasts who are too old to be able to drive a manual comfortably, so they buy a PDK. (Again, new enthusiast buyers DO exist, but they're farther out on the customer curve and are rare.)
I'd be curious to see a pole of new buyers vs used buyers, and what their preference is. I bet that would illustrate the differences in priorities.
Brilliant point, and I totally agree that those who watch my videos, follow Rennthusiast on FB, IG lean toward being enthusiast drivers/passionate more so than the large bulk of buyers you mention.
WTF!!! my dream has always been to own a manual 911. Dreams shattered
Dealer told me there will be a Carrera T and some other manuals down the line.
I just need to know... where did you get that neon Porsche sign???
Chinese company that went out of business during the pandemic…but I am reasonably confident Porsche might have had something to do with shutting them down 😂
It was blatant trademark theft
@@Rennthusiast Love it.... I want one
@@Rennthusiastwe should see these at the local dealership for sale soon
Day after this news a 911t with a Manuel transmission gone after over 100 days in stock.
To me, my 997.2 6 speed manual is all I will ever need - I’m sure a seven speed manual will become available in the new range but it won’t be for me - love the channel.
Thank you!
Hey! I was on BaT and noticed your 1986. Did you have a different classic in mind? That car was beautiful, surprised you let it go!
That 86 is a stupendous example….I was not driving it and it bothered me to have it sit.
I’ve cycled through the air cooled models that I wanted to sample, and not really pursuing anything specific now. Enjoying my 991.2 S, 981 Spyder and my 993.
@@Rennthusiast Hopefully another pops up on BaT so I can maybe have a chance. Listing my Z06 shortly so I can get into the Porsche world. Thanks for the content!
What Porsche does in the future does affect me. Whether they sell manuals or not affects me far less. As long as they can stay in business so I can buy parts, I am ok with it. I am not buying a new car anyway. People who have the cash to buy new P cars probably don't give a rip what enthusiasts want. Porsche, do what you gotta do to stay solvent so I can buy parts for my 996 GT3!😂
it will make de coming GT3 Touring version more special
Who said there will be no more manuals? Maybe no more manual when there's a hybrid but the other ones are the same engines as the .1 so I don't see why they wouldn't offer it down the road with the S just like they did previously.
Maybe Porsche is taking a play from Toyota, when they first released the MKV Supra, which wasn’t offered as a manual, subsequently a few years later we were offered it in a 6MT.
Either way, they’ve definitely irritated the manual transmission crowd.
One thing you really shouldn’t do as a company is piss off your customers, just saying Porsche…
I had my first exposure to a non manual Porsche. I just bought a 991.1 GT3 Cup car and that sequential transmission is off the charts fun on track. I love my manual transmission daily driver 993 also but am now forever spoiled in terms of a track toy.
Allegedly the manual 992.2 is coming Q1 2025 via a 26MY S.
I'd be fairly shocked if the Carrera S/GT3/T/etc won't offer a manual. I think back to when they tried to kill the manual in the 991 GT3 and customers grabbed pitch forks so they brought it back. Maybe I could see it if all the non-announced 911 models will also be T-hybrids, then PDK only would make sense. That seems like a stretch though given the Carrera is a non-hybrid.
Will, not only that (especially given that)..... but, insult to injury, they criminally missed the grand opportunity with the new sub generation to fix (rid) the nubbin-shaver PDK shifter abomination once and for all, and bring back the more traditional 991 style PDK shifter (at least !@#?), complete with +/- function.
So, to summarize missed opportunities, I'm sure among others:
1. No more manual widely available. Including making available on the base again per 991, etc.
2. Nubbin-shaver shifter per above
3. Gauges others have mentioned here
4. Door handles. Don't fix what weren't broke. Bring back the traditional 991 and earlier style.
5. Reintroduce pre 991 mechanical/cable-operated frunk lid, de-neccesitating (?) jumping the in-cabin fusebox in case of power failure... to of course enable accessing trunk contents including.... drumroll.....the battery!
lol they just developed a new 7 speeds manual a few years ago i don't think they are gonna bin it just yet...
Marketplace corrections happen all the time, in all industries. Take the most glaring recent one 718 flat 4. Enough said.
well, that shows that the effect of the extra weight and fuel consumption of the automatic on the environment is not of interest to the Porsche buyers.
on the other hand, the shift in my 911T manual is not that top-class.... even wen fully overhauled.
I think they are prepping people for a future where internal combustion engines are phased out for electric - which would explain this. I like my PDK, but was close to ordering my specs with a manual. Sad.
Most are recognizing there is time for lots of changes since they have not rolled out the S yet.;
Things change. Enthusiasts said no to water cooled 911 when it first came out, too. Bottom line is, to stay competitive with other brands, you have to adapt. I've driven a PDK for 7 years now. I'm happy with it. I understand nostalgia and the feel of a more analog experience. If that's your thing, a restored classic is what you need. I'm an audiophile, and I have a vacuum tube amplifier. So I get it. But technology will continue to advance, and things will change.
Manual versions of all 911 and 718 models sell for higher used price, yet cost a few thousand cheaper originally. The quote for how few porsches sell manuals is not accurate. I do not remember the number off hand. Another thing is how many manuals are on a uses 911 718 dealer lot. Normally 0 of 70+. Sometimes one GT3. They are littered with low option low mile 911’s with PDK. And, if it was the case that there were only say 8% manuals, which is not the case, losing 8% of customers is suicide as a company. Worse is that enthusiasts who drive a brand do not buy one. What is the % of driving enthusiasts who buy manuals? MX-5’s is over 50% and growing. That is near purely an enthusiast car. Porsche is pushed by the enthusiasts. Why piss them off on a car that has an enormous markup and brand loyalty? I am guessing their will be a S in manual. I think the only car that makes sense with electric assist is the Targa. It is heavy and could use some launch help.
PDK is awesome on my 991.2 C4 GTS
Honestly, we'll be lucky if Porsche doesn't go all electric in the coming decades, so this lack of a manual is quite small in comparison. I guess I'm the crowd that likes to predict into the future. Guess we'll see.
Jaguar committed corporate suicide by going all electric. All the other manufacturers have EV's sitting on their lots for months at a time. The future of electric is questionable at this point. Even Elon Musk fired his entire Super Charger department.
Just sucks that we will probably be seeing the Caymans die off early because of this.
Porsche will continue to make outstanding modern products. The manual transmission will most likely be available in the 992.2 at some point. Their future sports cars will be fast and full of technology. The biggest issue is the price which will most certainly continue to rise. With current " non turbo " 992.1's approaching 200K mark with options will prevent the average enthusiast from ever owning one. Even the base 992.1's are in the 130-140K range. The T's are 150-160K. These are crazy numbers for a mass produced car designed to be daily driven and driven hard. There are very few 992.1s on the road presently. It seems that most people that buy them, try to resell them fairly quickly. I am guessing the reason is the price. It is hard to put miles on a $200K car.
I think this is clickbait. We don’t know about the S model or the T model yet. They may very well offer manuals!
I mean, this is the information we have now…but I can’t disagree that:
1. The pattern is that Porsche rolls out manuals later
2. We only know about the GTS
If they don't have a manual GTS, why would you think they'll offer it in an S?
@@RennthusiastFair point, I just think the title shouldn’t have been so definitive. They *might* not have a manual any more is more accurate. We just don’t know yet. But if it doesn’t, I agree it’s a big deal and will likely upset people.
@@billnorblat4047I think that the GTS doesn’t have a manual because of the hybrid system. We know the base is not a hybrid. If the S is not a hybrid, it might have a manual. If you look at the 992.1, base was auto only, while T, S, and GTS had manuals. So I’m assuming that the T and S are likely to have manuals *unless* they are hybrid. But the T typically has base engine, power is similar to the prior T, so no reason they couldn’t put the 992.1 manual transmission in it.
@@Rennthusiast We have no formal information at all about whether there will be manuals. It's total speculation to say there will be no more manuals. So, it is pretty clickbaity to pitch it like that. especially when, in reality, there almost certainly will be manuals, probably T and GT3 at least, and possibly the S too.
If I could afford a new Porsche. I would tell the salesperson - I want a stick and a clutch.
The ‘political’ comments are spot on
Lol
I am just glad they are ditching the Gasoline powered Cayman’s so mine is worth more. :)
Sold my 911 992 Carrera S PDK & got a McLaren 570gt within 200yrds on the test drive i was in love..just think mid engined is better..sorry guys
It feels to me like Porsche is taking all the things that enthusiast drivers want and moving them further and further up in the model line. A regular Joe who just wants the clout of driving a 911 could care less about a manual transmission or a high revving naturally aspirated engine but those are things Porsche's most enthusiastic customers want so why not make them pay a premium for them.
Why is it everyone is up at arms when they take it away.. but nobody orders One new? 10% in new cars. Old men buying an expensive car. Thrilled my dream spec 991.1 in 6 speed is in my garage. They'll offer it in manual but you'll have to pay. They know how to empty the well heeled buyers wallet.
No manual 992.2 gt3?
There will absolutely be a manual transmission 992.2 GT3. These videos and clickbait BS are headlining grabbing at its finest. Other 992.2 models that aren’t GT3 and haven’t been announced yet will stop offer a manual transmission
People that actually have inside info are saying that even the GT3 may be a hybrid, and thus no manual.
@billnorblat4047 crazy
@@billnorblat4047 well Andreas Preuninger himself said that the GT3 will remain naturally aspirated for the 992 generation. Wouldn’t talk about what happens after that but doesn’t look like any big changes for 992.2 and certainly no Turbo/Hybrid
@@jameswillard1 the new regs are the issue. The 9k 4.0 engine runs rich at the top to help cool it. They can't do that anymore.
Wrong! The 992.2 Turbo WILL be manual (not the S, which will be PDK). The leaked videos and reports strongly show manual will be for that model, and they are doing a few other special last throw of the dice models, these will be the final Heritage ones with the awaited used of Pascha cloth.
Based on your video (and others) not liking your new Porsche because it wasn’t as engaging, I probably wouldn’t consider anything newer than a 991.2. Yeah, I get the disappointment, but it’s not like they decided to make all .911s electric. That’s more of a “disaster” situation. Hopefully that day never comes. I like my manual 911 and my PDK Boxster too.
I guess we will have more posers than real drivers in the Porsche brand unfortunately if manuals are no longer offered with real enthusiast drivers buying up older manual variants 🤷♂️🤦🏽♂️
It’s not proven that other variants aren’t going to have a manual option, so the question is moot. That said, every time Porsche evolves the 911 the bitching comes out, but somehow the wait list to get a new one never gets smaller. I ordered a 992.1 C4S with PDK which represented my first time not having a manual in my Porsche and I will admit that it is awesome. I still love the manual transmission but evolution is OK too. I think the new GTS will be epic and I’m not ruling it out just because it has PDK, a button to start the car and no analog tach. In the grand scheme of things those items are equivalent to mice nuts.
Everyone crows about "SAVE THE MANUALS" but nobody that can actually afford to spec one new orders the cars that way.
If I would have the money I would spec/buy a nice manual carrera S or T, or GT3/Touring, but I think the 992 is just a bit too big.
💯 On the climate freaks.
Not happy that Porsche decided to remove the manual transmission from their line up. I'd be surprised if they asked their customers. A little pretentious on their part thinking they can decide what the customer desires.
No manual, terrible digital instruments = < Porsche. Glad I enjoyed it while it was great.
I like PDKs for the same reason I prefer Formula 1 over Nascar. The coolest, most performant stuff is part of the gear-head hobby. Anyway, folks putting manuals in GT3's was always a head scratcher to me. The engines so out-class a manual transmission workflow. Why not just buy a non-GT product?? Wouldn't that make more sense if you're just going to be puttering around town?
Haven't warched the video but here is my theorie:
Pursts cant afford new Porsches. The people who actually buy them rather be, theoretical, 0.3 sec faster to 60 just in case that one time in their life they stand next to a worthy competitor at the trafficlights.
Manual : men only know how !!!!! 👍👍👍👍
Finally, the Cayman and Boxster have something the 911’s don’t get!!! Hahahah!!
I think this is all a bit alarmist, at least for the 992.2 generation. The manual will be back, just not in the hybrids. We have historical precedent here that should help us all relax juuuuust a little.
Is this a signal of the potential end of the manual? Of course. It's barely hanging on. Porsche doesn't really care about us as much as we think they should. They are a for profit business, and MOST of us enthusiasts are buying older models, which does nearly NOTHING for Porsche's bottom line. If they listened to us, we'd have no water-cooled cars, no Cayenne, no Boxster, and consequently no Porsche. They MUST adapt. They have no choice.
I'll be sad when the manual is gone. Truly. But I, like most of you, will have gears to row in the garage, and we should be thankful our favorite brand put as much effort into keeping us engaged for as long as possible.
Great video, Will. Thanks for the content, and I applaud you for the effort you put into approaching potentially hot topics with class, nuance, and reason.
Manuals will be an option for the GT3 along with keeping it NA to ensure it maintains it exclusivity. There is also chance they may make the turbo model a manual whereas the turbo s will be hybrid.
The newer Porsches along with the rest of cars just are no longer what I want.
997.2 manual gts or gt3
Well Aston Martin will still offer a manual.Porsche is doing this all wrong, the manual makes a Porsche just more fun to drive.I have a 997.2 GTS manual and only a Ferrari 360 or 430 manual might be able to replace it.Porsche please save the manuals, its what sets you apart from the rest of the new sports cars available.
I don't miss manual. I guess I'm not a purist!