Randy Pobst Pushes Porsche GT4 RS To The Limit : What Did We Learn?
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- Hey everyone welcome back to It's Track Time!
At the June Chin track event I found myself sharing a garage with racing champion Randy Pobst. My family watched Randy turn hot laps and break track records for years with MotorTrend. If he didn't approve of the car we were looking at it was tossed from our list. His opinion of how my car handled on track was therefore of the utmost value to me. He was kind enough to agree to do a few hot laps and here are the results.
Thanks Randy for taking the time!
Thanks for watching :)
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0:00 - Intro
0:43 - Introducing Randy Pobst
1:53 - Attempt 1
4:47 - Attempt 2
7:22 - Attempt 3
10:05 - Post Discussion
22:00 - Conclusion
#porsche #motorsport #cota #gt4rs #randypobst #carenthusiast #carmodification 
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Always love me some Randy Pobst. I think he's so down to earth because he got his start grassroots autocrossing, just like everyone else. He's raced high end hardware and won championships and set records, but he's still just a gear head who wants to chat about going fast.
Exactly, he sees himself as just another guy in the garage despite his skill level and fame. Absolute pleasure to be around.
Agreed! Me and friends ran into him at a car show and honestly, we didn't know who he was lol He's definitely your typical car guy who talked to us for about 45 min about his Z06. He invited us to AMP to check out his other cars 😎 Awesome Fellow!
That's very cool. Folks like him just enjoy a normal conversation about a common interest. When all the fanfare starts they usually move on.
unreal to see him so chill driving with one hand at times and still pushing it harder than 99% of the world
He is very relaxed at speed.
Shows it's not taking much mental capacity to do what he's doing - just muscle memory.
Great narration. Randy is a national treasure, what an honor to get free datalogging and analysis from someone of his caliber.
Thanks, agreed - Randy is the American Stig but uses an open face helmet.
One of my favorite drivers ever and such a really nice guy too. I had the honor of talking to him once and it is an awesome memory.
He's a humble, genuine guy in an often ego filled sport.
Love watching Randy control oversteer. So relaxed and basically one-handed.
Yep counter steering at 100mph and it doesn't even phase him. I was surprised by his one handed technique but after thinking about it for a while my conclusion was this came from his background driving manual cars.
What an honor!! thanks for bringing us along to enjoy this. Your narration over the videos is always spot on! Very enjoyable to listen to. The three camera angles is a joy as well. Keep up the excellent videos.
Thank you very much for the feedback. We'll keep knocking them out if you guys continue to enjoy them!
@@ItsTrackTime Keep them coming! Let me know if you'd like support with sharing more of your social media channels. I'm a Social Media Strategist & Manager for brands - and a huge car enthusiast as you can probably tell!
Good to know! This whole "getting the word out" side of the channel is pretty hit and miss.
At one of my first track events probably 20 years ago, at Road Atlanta, a guy came up to me, asked what I had my sway bars set at on my 996 GT3. He educated me on the topic, and I thought it was just a normal weekend warrior like me. I did not know any of the well known folks in the sport at that time. My new friend was Randy Pobst.
Awesome! That could easily happen with Randy.
This dude is one of the great fast/race car personalities anywhere. He knows how make driving in circles super exciting. Great vid, thanks for posting!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
Randy is a unicorn in the motorsports world. His combination of amazing driving and communication skills is very unique.
Getting in Randy’s head is an awesome move. I’ve met Randy a few times now and you’re 100% right. Even karting he let you know who we were on the presence of.
He never brags or talks smack. You tell him the best lap time and he just smiles and says "Oh wow" and then goes out and breaks it.
@@ItsTrackTime I carted with him and that’s exactly how he was. Competitive yet such an awesome person to be around.
Watching Randy Pobst drive was amazing but listening to his thoughts after just awesome!
His feedback is well worth the watch.
Phenomenal video. I love it. You narrating Randy driving.... great combo!
I couldn't agree more. Very well done video.
Thank you very much.
Glad you enjoyed watching it as much as we enjoyed making it.
Not often you get someone of his caliber driving your car on an F1 track.
Randy's debrief was awesome. So much knowledge, experience, and awareness. So many nuggets of wisdom sprinkled in there too. 👍
Every conversation with him is a potential learning experience.
Definitely exciting and honored to have Randy Pobst drive your GT4. When it comes to; Randy Pobst, Boris Said, Michael Galati (among others), during that turn of the century era, was classic racing. I remember watching Randy and Michael (on speed channel) drive the hell out of that C5 RS6. Great times!!
Amazing drivers with a wealth of track knowledge.
It definitely was an honor to just talk with him let alone drive my car and discuss how to improve it.
This was fantastic! Thank you! I’ve been driving for years but learned so much from your commentary, then hearing Randy’s raw reactions at the end. Very well done!
Glad you found us and thanks for the positive feedback on the format and content!
Very interesting to see the Delta and where he loses and gains time, really great driving. Perhaps the second fastest GT4RS driver behind Walter Röhrl.
Those are two very talented drivers!
I met Randy at Road Atlanta way back in the day when he was racing a Volvo wagon. He is a class act!
Nice, he's a big Volvo fan for sure.
Dude great video! So informative! Randy is a real OG! Giving out tons of info and tips. So much respect for him. Great channel!
Thank you very much!
Glad you found it useful.
Damn you can't script that. Randy freaking Pobst. I'd ask him to drive my car, too! Too cool.
Never know if you don't ask..
@@ItsTrackTime I mean I have JDM shit boxes and you have a GT4 so you got a leg up LOL
Go. Randy. Go!!!!😮❤😂
I have been a fan of his for quite a few years since his days with Motortrend. I still often watch his hot lap at laguna Seca with a C6Z06 which is the same car I personally own so it holds dear. All that so say that although I have been such a fan, I was more into Drag racing my Z06. been doing that with it seriously (trailer and all) but this year I started sim racing and it's given me the nudge to get the car on a real track...and now all his words of wisdom mean so so much more to me.
Get it out on the track and then you can start down the slippery slope with the rest of us!
Thank you for sharing this valuable content. Randy is a master of the craft and very kind to take the time to explain his finding.
He was very generous with his time.
A track weekend I won't forget soon!
What a treat. Thank you for sharing this and thanks to Randy for being an absolute mensch.
Glad you enjoyed it
You had a golden shoe drive your car -- AMAZING! The analysis from both you & Randy was really insightful. And as others have mentioned, he seems like just a nice guy. I'm sure you would've bought him a beer if you could!
He's a genuinely nice guy with a wealth of knowledge. You learn something every time you talk with him.
Humble guy, has the experience and expertise to dial that car in. Lot's of respect for him and others that have helped many out in search of getting cars sorted out. When he speaks, I'm definitely listening.
Agreed, a conversation with Randy after he has driven your car on track is priceless.
Barry thank you for sharing this experience with us. Very educational
Glad you enjoyed it
This is excellent to watch and thank you for making it available to us. What a privilege to hear insights from someone of Randy's calibre. Also good to know that at 10 years older than me, he is still so sharp behind the wheel. Immediately my thoughts turn to another driving hero, Walter Röhrl who has 11 years on Randy! Cheers and thank you from Sydney - Dave (regretting selling my 964!)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Two great drivers!
Why are you selling the 964?
@@ItsTrackTime Thank you - yes, content like this is invaluable to driving enthusiasts, including this one!
As for my 964 - it was a low km, factory original and perfectly maintained concours 964 C4 example (no accidents or dings etc.) that I was fortunate enough to own from '07 to '09. In that time, we started our family and my business was taking me offshore for long periods. Stupidly, I decided to let her go (the car, that is...), a decision that I almost immediately regretted. 😉
Anyway, that's history now and one day I'll return to the Porsche fold - perhaps something newer. In the meantime I enjoy riding my Ninja 1000 and live vicariously through good people like yourself! Cheers from Sydney - David
Ninja 1000 another fun toy!
I'd say you're doing OK.
@@ItsTrackTime Indeed I am. Other than a Ducati on trailing throttle (that baby got stolen), I always loved the sound of the boxer 6, windows down, drop a gear and hit the berries in every tunnel I drove through! Very special (if not a touch quirky) cars, the 964 in my opinion!
This is great stuff. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow, magnificent video.
I see Randy Pobst, I watch, listen and try to learn, while being entertained.
Well done sir!
Thank you very much!
Glad you found the station and enjoyed the content.
We're not worthy! Outstanding Mr. Pobst.
Randy's the man.
Nice! Always great to see one of our RS1 camera mounts on your rear view mirror. Randy is a master and this is great data for you.
I bought that mount after you pointed it out in a comment!
That is the beauty of this online community.
Randy’s post run discussion, for free, here on RUclips is priceless! I have followed Randy’s driving theory discussions for years. His -11:07 - turn that rear swaybar down is classic Randy. He has never liked cars that tend towards oversteer. Thanks for sharing. This is a keeper for future reference.
Glad you found us!
Yes, he's a big fan of a planted rear even if it causes some understeer.
@@ItsTrackTime Yes, then reaches into his bag of driving tricks to take advantage of the understeer. I have learned that this works for FWD cars, too. Mine is a MINI JCW.
It’s really awesome to have an encounter like that at these events. Thanks for sharing.
Never know who you might run into a COTA.
Thanks for watching.
The best part of the video is the post discussion, lots and lots of info, thanks randy.👍🏾
Glad we didn't cut it back. I found the entire discussion useful. How often do you get to talk with a driver of that caliber about your own car.
Randy is a class act.
Agreed!
That was amazing to watch and very knowledgeable and interesting commentated. Nice job! 👍
Thanks, glad you found it interesting!
Great video, thanks for sharing your car with the super cool and super fast Randy Pobst!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Always enjoy Randy's take on a sports car. Consider yourself lucky for getting his feedback. If I may suggest something, just get the Manthey performance kit.
I do feel very lucky to have gotten some of his time.
The Manthey kit is definitely the easy button.
Now I have to reason through the cost/benefit analysis vs just MCS.
Fun video, Randy is a legend
Indeed he is, thanks for stopping by.
Randy is the man
Got that right.
Something about the GT4 has always fascinated me, I think it has a mild case of underdog syndrome but to see how close it is to the GT2 is incredible. And who the hell doesn’t love Randy!
Love being the underdog especially on the track. When you take a top tier car and turns a fast lap everyone attributes the lap time to the car.
When you take a lessor car and turn a fast lap people acknowledge and respect your abilities.
Tremendous footage. Very educational and looks fun
Thanks and glad you fun it useful!
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
GT4 RS is my favorite car!
Putting that engine in the 718 platform was a dream come true for me.
Pobst is top shelf. Watched him at Mosport so many times. Always put on a show.
Agreed!
Well Done Randy ! 👍😉
Thanks for the visit
Lovely cameo! And that z06 running a 2:15 must be a hell of a ride
Yeah getting him in the car was a very special moment.
I'm sure the Z06 on the Garmin leaderboard was very juiced up and had substantial downforce!
@@ItsTrackTime he seemed to really enjoy it! It’s also cool to see how much we leave on the table compared to a pro driver like Randy
Yep there is a huge divide between us weekend warriors and pros like Randy.
I guess that is why I still have a day job!
What an awesome video. Love Randy
Glad you enjoyed it
This is so crazy, what a great experience to get a data lap
Exactly, if you find someone that you trust and know is way better than you seize the opportunity.
Wow. I’m loving this channel! Please please share if you adjust anything that Randy was speaking about.
Glad you found us!
Yes, I plan to document the changes, my experience with them, and then hope to have Randy back for another go.
Given the number of times he gained and lost 0.3 to 0.4 seconds, seems like an idea lap could've put him into the 2:17.5's
Agreed, any one of those laps could have turned into a very low 18 or high 17 with the right set of events.
His optimal for the session was a 2:18.12 which is impressive in itself given his actual time was so close.
there's always a cost/benefit in life, especially on track with Deltas!!! I'm a motorcycle roadracer since 1992 that's slowly transitioning to 4-wheels now that I'm 50+ (wife's request, but 10 times the cost). Whenever you're able to add acceleration and/or speed, you're now adding braking distance and time. IF the additional time on the go fast pedal is less than the added time on the fun inhibitor pedal, it's not worth it. And tires are your limited pot of gold, spend it wisely. I mean look how many times Randy invested risk and got nadda in return?! And he's arguably the greatest GT driver of our current era. But driving fast is all about ROI. IF a 2:17.5 were possible, Randy would have gotten it. But now you're talking Jason Hart FASTEST Production car lap time for YEARS in customer's brand new $1 million plus McLaren P1 time with journalist on board and shagged OEM tires when he pulled that off, but 173 mph on back straight and 160+ mph in turn one. I understand you're thinking here, but I'm pretty confident Randy gave it as good as is possibly. Lastly, I didn't watch start, nor could I find comment on tires used?! BUT if not better wheels and slicks, that's your benchmark time for that car and set-up, all due respect.
Legend !!!
You got that right!
This was super cool!
Thanks, glad you found us!
Fantastic
Thank you!
Great video! Hopefully Randy makes it back
Thanks, yes I hope we can get him back for round 2!
Great track day. Damn, Rapid Randy Popst was there and drove your car. The Rocket. Good day my man, good day.
Yep, when I saw him in the garage I knew it was going to be an interesting weekend.
Legend has it, that Randy hit his first burnout, drift, and 'apex white knuckle' turn at 580 E Kensington Rd in LA and Dominic was at the exact same time 😂
Ha!
Wow, it would be amazing to go to a regular HPDE and have such a high caliber driver in the garage with you. Thanks for sharing
At COTA you never know who might show up but having Randy in the garage was about as good as it gets.
@@ItsTrackTime here’s hoping I’ll see him at OIR in September!
❤😂😢😮😢😢😢😮😅😅😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 if that’s the Randy post I’m thinking of that was racing Mustang while back if that’s him that guy is a damn good driver and we need him in the Porsche race with IMSA to finish out the season because Randy is a damn good driver. Take care.
Randy's the man, and yes he's a damn good driver!
Super cool video.
Thank you very much!
The legend himself!! Keep in mind that with any 3+ way adjustable shocks, you'll need to spend hours of track time dialing it in and may open a can of worms. Personally, I love tinkering with shock settings but it can be challenging if you're doing it all yourself, especially with a car as fast and I assume fairly sensitive like the 4RS :)
Yep I've been through this with other cars and it always felt like I was wasting precious track time turning suboptimal laps while I dialed them in. The Manthey kit appeals to me for exactly this reason.
@@ItsTrackTime I ran across a GT4 driver at COTA that suggested spring rates between GT4 & RS might be more 'optimal'
Absolutely TERRIFIC - thank you for sharing!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid!
Thanks for watching!
Randy is such a cool dude
Got that right!
Great video 👏👏🫡
Thank you!
Great video! You should try Goodyear Supercar 3R tires. They are absolutely magic! You can thank the Camaro ZL1/1LE engineers for it.
I would like to try those but they only have limited sizes. The smallest 20" front they make is a 285 and I need a 265 or 255. Let me know of you see otherwise.
you should feel really good that your PB is only a few seconds off of Randy's in the same car. You also have his data on the Catalyst so you can analyze his lap. What a great video!
That is the data I have been wanting for a long time and it basically shows Randy is faster in every high risk area. Turns 2, 10, 18, and 19 so I just have to grow a bigger set of balls to shave off the last few seconds.
@@ItsTrackTimeballs are good, but you need the skills, instincts and reaction time to back them up. Randy's lap time is not a completely fair comparison for us mortals!
Agreed but it's fun to use as a benchmark even if I never get there.
Great video and narration
What tires are on the car ?
Hoosier R7s, 265, 305.
Also a great ad for the Garmin! 👍🏽
Easy to use and once you get the GPS unblocked they work well.
@@ItsTrackTime I've been using TrackAddict for free. No question Garmin is the easiest.
Love seeing Randy out there driving and having fun. I hope to meet him one day. I used to read all the Pobst Position articles . What is the in car timing device ?
Thanks for watching.
The two lap timers used were the Garmin Catalyst and AIM Solo2.
@@ItsTrackTime Thanks ! I will have to get one of those.
Randy is a great guy. I used to race autocrosses with him back in the 70's.
Oh that's awesome!
While we were running at COTA there was an autocross event going on in the parking lot and he dropped by to hang out with them as well.
I'm sure they enjoyed seeing him as much as I did.
Randy autocrossed a 1988? supercharged Toyota MR2 in the Orlando area and he let me drive it. The stories about him being such a nice guy are true.
Back in 1986 I had access to a MR2 via a girlfriend and that was my initial exposure to small, light, nimble cars. Loved that car and always wanted to drive the supercharged version.
I had the privilege of crewing for Pobst briefly back in 2007. Hes a great guy!
Awesome, what race series?
@@ItsTrackTime Pre season testing then Rolex 24 that year. What really impressed me he memorized all of the crew’s names almost immediately and called us all by name. Class act!
He knows who keeps him fast on the track.
@@ItsTrackTime i just thought it was classy cause most drivers barely acknowledge the crews.
Great video. Also where are the head rest covers from? I suppose you got them to protect from damage caused by HANS ?
Thanks!
Exactly, even with the seats rocked back with bolts the HANS digs into the headrest.
Goto EdGuardUSA and buy his headrest covers and the seat bolster covers.
Awesome upload! When was this filmed if you don’t mind my asking?
Thank you, we filmed it on June 9th.
Great video
Thanks!
Awesome stuff... easiest decision to sub in a while.
Thanks!
Nice video, love the camera angles and the datalogger. Randy is awesome as well, been watching him for years on many a MotorTrend video.. however, I can't stand the way he operates a motor vehicle with the wheel shuffling and one-handed driving :D I know he's fast and that he has a ton of car control but my goodness it looks horrible :D I remember Jim Mero who did the lap in the C6 ZR1 on the Nordschleife also had a similar super weird driving style with one hand resting on the knee but still on the wheel somehow.
It seems to be working well for him...
@@ItsTrackTime of that there is no doubt. It just looks weird :)
I think the strut rear end of the 718 platform contributes to the nervousness/skittishness. It really needs a multilink setup like the 911 or the Alpha chassis Camaros. The 981/718 Caymans have always had this handicap unfortunately.
The MCS dampeners are supposed to really help plant this car. I'm just torn between MCS and Manthey's kit which uses KW dampeners.
Nice video, the audio was not clear after he came back into the Pit, can you please summarize what he suggested for the rear of the car, its clear the happy rear of the GT4RS is its biggest challenge. Thank you and keep it up.
My front bar was set to full stiff and rear bar was set to medium. Randy suggested moving the rear bar to full soft. He also suggested adding more rebound to the rear of the car but given I have factory dampeners this is not possible. We then discussed moving to fully adjustable MCS dampeners.
What a legend pushing that 4RS around COTA! Curious, what tires were you running?
Hoosier R7s, 265/305
Randy was racing with the bests in 2001 with one of the two 911 GT3 Rs entered by Alex Job Racing in the American Le Mans series !!!
He talks about that era in the video and said those cars were a handful!
It would be wild if there was a transcript of his comments… ;-)
That is something I'm going to look into...
@@ItsTrackTime It was hard to hear the feedback on the car, this would be great. I thought the summary on the rear popping was something like too stiff springs / not enough rebound resistance - tail happy !
WOW, Randy driving and giving feedback at COTA. What tire were you running if you don't mind?
Hoosier R7s, 265/305.
That's a very interesting steering technique. I wonder if it's because of how light the wheel is.
My theory is he mainly raced manuals so he had to drive with one hand and that technique carried forward even when driving PDKs.
Yes, I'm going to keep my HPDE students away from that video, one hand only !
Crazy that an almost 20yo chevy holds the record so far.
I have never seen that car but rest assured it was a heavily modified race car.
I thought that was randy’s son in the thumbnail. He looks younger.
I miss him doing reviews!
They were by far the best given their track focus.
Great experience. What shocks and tyres are you running?
Factory shocks and Hoosier R7s, 265/305.
Nice
Thanks
It was always a goal of mine to match his time with the exact car and the same tire at Laguna Seca.
Good goal given you know the car can do it.
@@ItsTrackTime The other half of the story is I did it, the car actually can do it, I was 0.12 quicker than his time, and no one come close yet.
Well done!
That's one for the wall.
Quality RUclips 👌👌
Thanks, glad you found it useful.
Sorry if this has already been asked: which camera are you using for the front track view? Is that the Garmin? GoPros in the cabin? (I’m still figuring out the perfect setup for my car.)
Anyway, I just discovered your channel and I’m glad I did! It’s 98° outside so I’m going to kick back and enjoy your back catalog after I finish the F1 race. Thanks in advance haha.
Garmin is only used for the track metrics. Front and dash cameras are GoPro Hero12 Blacks, side camera is a GoPro MAX 360.
Glad you found the channel!
Let me know what you found particularly interesting in the back videos. Always trying to adjust the content.
@@ItsTrackTime I haven't seen it in other comments, do you mind telling us how you mesh the data and the video please? Your setup is one of the best I've seen. How do you like the Garmin vs. the Solo that I think I see in your car as well? I have an older Solo and looking for something a little more user-friendly and intuitive than the AIM software to geek out with data.
Thanks!
Adobe Premiere Pro is used to mesh everything together. Solo2 is great but their analysis software is far from intuitive. Every time I come back to it I have to relearn everything. The Garmin is much easier to use and I enjoy the data sharing features.
@@ItsTrackTime Oh, I think I get it, the Garmin outputs a video file with the data, and then you just cut out the good parts and overlay them over the GoPro videos, correct? Thanks for the feedback on the Garmin, it seems like the way to go for quick analysis at the track without spending too much time fiddling with non-intuitive software on a PC. I assume the Garmin's remote camera's quality is poor, hence why you're going with other ones and doing editing?
You got all of that correct. The Garmin image quality is not great so we shoot with 5K GoPro Hero12 cameras, chop the data out of the Garmin video and splice it all together with Premiere.
Randy Pobst “I just want to go fast!”
Ricky Randy.
Randy is a great guy.
Remember in his mind he's driving a rental!
Ha!
@@ItsTrackTime Really enjoyed his debrief and your enthusiasm for the sport!
Thanks, it's hard not to have fun at the track!
👍😊👊💥
Thanks!
@@ItsTrackTime painted my track miata to look like a GT3 RS… can hardly tell the difference… 👍🤣
Ha! Awesome!
That will get some conversations going at the gas station.
What tire is he on and what mods are done to your gt4 that’s a solid time
He was on Hoosier R7s, 265/305. Most of the mods were just to get an optimal track setup, camber plates, toe arms, etc. The only performance mod the car has are Soul OAPs.
The DCS controller might allow for additional rear rebound.
Not enough. Internal hardware limited. DCS is good at softening a car by relaxing the damping under no/light lateral G's, but it can't alter the behavior of the shock enough on the rebound stroke with stock internals.
MCS or MR KW is needed.
I have MCS 2-ways on my 718 GT4, 100% resolved
Those are the two I'm currently evaluating.
Any insight into which is better would be much appreciated.
My main concern is getting good initial setting so I don't have to burn track time tweaking them.
@@z06van21 What objective data suggests that the DCS controller is at the max for the mechanical system during those states? My current DCS program leaves lots of rear rebound on the table outside of max braking G’s. Perhaps your program is different.
@@ItsTrackTime I am absolutely not interesting in tuning shocks without a highly experienced expert driving the car. Ive chased my tail with MCS 2-way on more than one platform. The “turn up rebound until it doesnt jack down, turn up compression only until it feels critically damped” is not the level of expertise I’d expect for $10k a set.
Yep, I've messed around with shock tuning on my downhill mountain bikes and it just seemed like Witchcraft.
That is why Manthey's KW setup appeals to me.
It's a complete kit with balanced aero, matched springs, and damper settings from Porsche engineers and Porsche race drivers.
Pobst Blue Ribbon
Ha!
Whats up with the one handing?
4:25 "He doesn't know about straddling the sausage there" yeah but your mom does!!!!
Ha! I didn't name that curb, I just drive over it.
What tires are in the car?
Hoosiers R7s, 265/305
@@ItsTrackTime Got it, thank you
Are you running Cup 2`s or Cup 2 R`s……?
hooser R7 is what I read
Yes I'm running Hoosier R7s, 265/305.
@@ItsTrackTime 265/35 fronts on stock wheels?
No aftermarket wheels. Fronts are 9" wide to accommodate the 265.