My Great Uncle was a POW of the Japanese for nearly three years. In his captivity he, lost virtually all his sight to ulcers. Was paralyzed from the waist down from Malaria. Emaciated. Family had not heard from him until his rescue. That happening to Uncle Bill and tens-of-thousands of other POWs from the Allied nations. Random torture and executions, slave labor until they died from exhaustion, poor to no rations and water, no medicine, and even worse to women. Another thing, a little twist of irony, Uncle Bill's nephew, my Grandfather, was in the Army in WWII, stationed on Guam and later the Occupation Forces of Japan. He met a Japanese nurse there. They married. Grandpa comes home with a Japanese bride. It split the family. Most of Grandpa's family was cold or outright hostile to Grandma. The exceptions being, one of Grandpa's brothers, and, surprisingly, Uncle Bill himself. Uncle Bill suffered from Shell Shock, or PTSD. At the time there was no real treatment for it. Most tried to cope with alcohol, cigarettes, and drugs. That's what Uncle Bill tried to do. He would lock himself in the basement for days drinking. His captivity scarred him both physically and emotionally to the point that he could never work again, he had only one marriage that was brief. Their only child died within a year. Yet, according to Grandma, Uncle Bill never once blamed her for what happened to him. Nor did he raise his voice, call her names, or be mean to her, but he wouldn't stay in the same room with her for very long. "But Sherman's March made what Japan did to everyone look sweet by comparison." I can honestly say, no. They're not even close.
God damn your uncle was a strong man. He kept his integrity from what I can tell, despite it all. And that's little solace I'm sure but... Eh it's something to be proud of
Lol I could honestly not give a damn what Sherman did to slave holders who did worst not for 3 years, but for fxcking 300 years and if you want to try to compare the two, since I saw that slight jab you did about blaming. Then we can continue the comparison but you won't come out the victor I guarantee you that
That's often due to the many connections between fascists and segregationists/Klan members in the south starting around the late 1890s. Little known fact, but the modern college system in the US actually came from Germany. I am stalking all of the STEM fields beyond math and general sciences like engineering. But also, many European countries like Prussia and Germany came to the US to observe, because for the first time, a country had effectively two Armies in the field continually. Basically, the US's Civil War made WWI possible.
Dude are you actually brain dead? Yes, that’s exactly how they feel abut it it’s not even hidden. I got like 10 guys following me on an app who are all confederate nazis.
I think, that obvious fact, that "Rebel Jack" constantly appearing on the far-right marches with other pretty flags with swastikas, tell us much more, and not about support of buddhism, lol.
Bravo. Foreign observers were on both sides, and the Prussian used the lessons learned just a few years later to smash the Austrians then defeat France after that. @@halvarmc671
@@halvarmc671 Little known fact, that right before American Civil War it was huge German emigration wave in US, which bringed many actual communists like August Villigh or Joseph Weidemayer, who had not only huge role in formation of early Republican party nut also supported the North and Linkoln during the war. Also, Karl Marx himself openly supported Linkoln in press. And it is kinda ironic, that even Soviet official history science had similiar positive narrative about Linkoln, considering modern ideology of US Republicans and Cold War heritage.
There are also legitimate reasons to condemn Sherman but his actions against Confederate production is not one of them. If someone is going to call Sherman a monster it should be for his treatment of Indians and not for his treatment of the Confederacy.
- Unit 731 - Nanjing - Catch the baby - Cholera fleas - Comfort women - Three Alls Policy - Bataan Death March Yeah, probably the worlds leading producer of war crimes
The problem is a bit different: people usually - if at all - are aware of the stuff like Rape of Nanking and Unit 731, or mistreatment of the Allied prisoners of war. However, what people do not realize is how the Japanese brutalized and exploited civilian populations in the conquered territories. Their system of forced labor and starvation caused millions to die. Another thing is how the Japanese treated Chinese POWs - they killed almost all of them save a handful. @@shanehudson3995
@antorseax9492 There's no limit on the lessons taught concerning Nazi evils. The wholesale extermination of Jews, gays, gypsies, the handicapped mental or otherwise. That includes Nazi warcrimes in Eastern Europe. But things like the Rape of Nanking, warcrimes across the whole of Manchuria, the Philippines, etc? Barely touched on in school. And the Japanese government and it's people have never been taken to task for it.
Sherman was right in that the landed plantation owners needed to suffer in the only way they feared, financial ruin, to get them under heal. Sherman's March was about telling the plantation owners in Alabama and South Carolina, and in regions yet untouched by the war, what was going to happen to them and their precious wealth, if they did not give in. Since owning slaves is about hoarding wealth, from the viewpoint of the slave holder, the idea that they were going to lose everything and that the only thing they could do to stop it was to surrender before it was their turn, probably is what ended the war.
Tennessee ran back home, and showed themselves in their fields south of Nashville after the siege of Atlanta.. they did that, so the women wouldn't be disrespected in the same way Shermans bummers behaved.
. I live in rural Georgia an there isnt a house that predates his genocide he burned everything and his men raped and pillaged women and children shame on all of you who defend it. Owning a slave in he south was like owning a yacht today. The ppl he murdered never owned anyone
It's very telling that they only consider the atrocities, unacceptable when in the context of Union Soldiers hurting Confederate civilians but not a slave owner and an enslaved person. That exact sentiment makes me wanna break out the world's smallest violin when ever anyone complains about how bad the March to the Sea was.
In my experience they don't even want to talk about slave owners when discussing the civil war because the war had nothing to do with slaves, in their minds. It just triggers them so much they separate the conversations.
@@ANTIStraussian To quote my 8th grade history teacher "no matter the reason you think the south rebelled, slavery was the biggest factor". If you believe it was the economy that did It, the south was stuck without modernization due to protecting the slavery classes interests. If you believe it was the cultural divide then there was no one bigger slavery.
@@justanotheranimeprofilepicdude considering New Jersey was considered the worst place to be a slave before the civil war I’m not exactly sure any of that shit is true. And also I don’t know if you know this but the north was still racist as shit after the war and still is. From the civil war all the way to the modern present, blacks in northern cities like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Philly, etc. have had it pretty fucking rough. But hey you can treat em like shit so long as you don’t own them right?
@@nashmonti120This is covered in the “Was Lincoln a Tyrant?” video. In short; yes, most of the North was still intensely racist, but it was also largely anti-slavery, a position which was solidified as the war went on. Any attempt to deflect blame from the South’s position on slavery by pointing to Northern prejudices is just pointless whataboutism.
Russian here. From my perspective, comparing general Sherman raid with nazi actions is dumb and stupid, especially considering the fact, that nazies invaded in USSR (not only Russia, Ukranian SSR and Belorussian SSR suffered from occupation too) for "clearing living space from subhumans" for "aryan superior race" and also literally enslaved around 5 mln Soviet citizens from hard work and sexual abuse, and taked them to Germany. Sound familiar, huh? And it is really laughable, when somebody trying to defend one slaver by scary media picture of another slaver. Also, elite of CSA even did not hided their plan to create "empire of the Golden Circle" for expanding slavery to the territory of the modern Mexico, so actual similarities between CSA and nazi Germany become even stronger. BTW, even if we forget about nazies, considering story of our own Civil War in 1917, where all sides (because it was not fight between just Reds and Whites, but it was more like Deathmatch,lol) did not had any mercy at all, Sherman actions looks like childs play. You can read General William S. Graves memories in his book America's Siberian Adventure (1918-1920) about US intervention during Russian Civil War, where he honestly described actual situation and war crimes.
Yeah the Russian civil war is absolutely brutal and not really talked about in the states, which is a shame, but makes sense. As we have a lot to talk about. Nonetheless, that civil/was in general. Was brutal, and also extremely interesting. My favorite story from it has to be about the Czechoslovak legion.
@natebox4550 At my high-school in the Midwest, they covered the russian civil war for a whole semester. We learned about the american civil war alot in junior high, but in high-school, my world history teacher hyperfocused on the russian civil war and the rise on Lenin. I'm glad too, because compared to the russian civil war, the american civil war is a snooze fest.
The problem isn't comparing the Union to the Jap's or Nazi's - the problem is the precedent. It would be the first time in Western Civilization where civilian infrastructure having nothing to do with war would be targeted on order of a commanding General. While 'Total War' and 'Collective Punishment' would soon be accepted military and political doctrine worldwide and probably would have happened anyway, as a matter of policy - it started with Sherman's 'March to the Sea'.
@@rynemcgriffin1752 indeed…..because those Japanese soldiers behaved in ways nearly as abominable as Sherman and his Monsters. Unit 731 for all their sickness did not commit their atrocities agains their own people…….Sherman enacted a deliberate campaign of slaughter and rape against people he insisted were ‘his own’ despite their desire to disassociate completely from his faction of slavers in favour of a different one.
@@captainl-ron4068 Your lack of knowledge of history is astounding. Have you ever heard the stories that came out of Nanking? Babies being tossed in the air and used either as target or bayonet practice, fathers and sons being forced to rape their own mothers and daughters, there’s a live account from a survivor where he watched his pregnant mother be raped by a Japanese soldier until she miscarried. The Japanese were so barbaric that even the Nazis were disgusted by their actions, the fucking *Nazis* were disgusted with the crimes being committed by Japan. The most Sherman did was burn down some slavedriver’s plantations and fail to stop the burning of Atlanta. They are not even close to comparable and your attempt to even try to pretend that it was shows how utterly brainwashed you are.
Sherman deliberately targeted economic infrastructure and food production, mass rape and murder no. Looting, slaughtering live stock, burning grain stores did happen. The South added to the problem by drafting convicts that pillaged areas where Sherman's troops never marched. So Sherman got the blame for crimes the were committed by both sides.
War crimes are bad but what Japan did even disgusted the nazies and they did stuff no normal sane person would ever think of doing, very few instances in history can compare to what Japan and the Nazis did
@@VERDIENSTORDENnot really. Southern soldiers in Northern camps got better food than they got from their own army. Part of why Confederates attacked so vigorously was because it meant they could take Northern provisions to subsist on because the South was notoriously bad at supply logistics.
@@friendlyJeff1984 Nah, the traitors lost because of poor strategic decisions. Their leaders were all tactical geniuses and strategic children. They won a lot of battles that did nothing to help them win the war.
@@friendlyJeff1984 kind of what happens when you’re playing offense. Fighting people in their own territories, is a hell of a lot harder than defending. But you know, at least those brave soldiers that died stood for something that wasn’t owning a human being.
@@MistaHoward If they were 'traitors' then so was Washington and the other Slavers of Independence Hall. So if you'd kindly return those thirteen stolen colonies.......or speak no more of 'traitors', your choice.
I once met the author of "My Life With the Samurai: A Pow in Indonesia" (Tony Cowling) many years back; he survived Japanese Captivity during WW2 and provides a rather unflinching recollection of their "hospitality"
Sherman himself wasn't a war criminal because he didn't order anything that would be considered a war crime. Did men under his command commit war crimes? Yeah it happened but it wasn't ordered from higher up, just men taking advantage of the situation to do evil deeds (which happens in every war)
That exact argument didn't fly for certain Japanese generals in WW2. Not knowing is still a war crime when in charge of an army, just him being on the "good side" gets him overlooked.
@@FortKnoxMoviesyup exactly, I seem to remember WW2 Nazis and Japanese using that excuse and getting executed. It's ironic when it's done by the "good guys" it's not a crime as the leadership didn't order it.
I feel like you could have phrased this a little better. "Did men under his command commit war crimes? Yeah it happened but it wasn't ordered from higher up" is not an excuse. If you know your subordinates are doing something and you don't stop it, you are still responsible. In Grant's case I think the relevant points are that A. like Atun-Shei says in the longer video, it was mostly stragglers and bums hanging around his army who did crimes, not the regulars actually under his command. B. when some of his regulars did do crimes like when some got drunk and out of control in Columbia, he and his officers did make efforts to stop it and punish the perpetrators. Could Sherman have done more to stop the war crimes that happened? Maybe. But even if he did, he was a war criminal in the broadest sense, nothing like Imperial Japanese or Nazi German generals.
It really has little to do with the union or civil was in general. Supreme allied command during WW2 had a report that basically boiled down to "where armies march, rape happens". United states hung 71 and shot 3 of their service members for it alone. Another was alleged to have committed the crime against a 4yo girl and was beaten to death by military police either as retribution or an attempt to resist.
@@user-mx1wu6ky8e That was someone else. Sherman was devoted to forcing the Kiowa and other "wild tribes" onto reservations and wasn't above lying and sentencing people to die in order to do it. Hell, his first assignment after West Point involved attacking the Seminole in the Second Seminole War.
Yeah, if you really want to discredit Sherman, just mention what he did to Native Americans. But I'm pretty sure Lost Causers see them juuuuuuust slightly above black people
There is no evidence it happened on the scale southern sympathizers pretend did, but let's not pretend an invading army WOULDN'T take the opportunity to rape and pillage as they pleased, whether it was a sovereign nation or a region in rebellion. It happens in every war that has ever happened in recorded history and probably before. Instead look to how those who were caught were punished, and the Northern government did punish those who committed such acts. Probably not as harshly as people with modern sensitivities would want, but they were punished.
On mass, no. Small pockets, yes. Some were dealt with and others got away with it. BTW, that happens in every conflict, military or civilian, regardless of culture or country. We call it human nature.
I agree apart from the human nature part. It's not human nature to be a piece of shit and all military's should strive to minimize any mistreatment of civilians to zero (obviously zero is pretty much impossible but trying to make it zero means minimizing it as much as possible).
@@joshaskew5035 "It's not human nature to be a piece of shit ..", yes, it actually is human nature. Were it not, we would need no laws protecting against it, because people simply wouldn't do it. That is not to say that everyone acts like a human POS. But to deny that some do is simply not truthful and a foolish field to stand on.
@@DerOrso I never denied that people did it, obviously people do. But to chalk it up to 'human nature' is silly. Human nature isn't real (or at least I don't believe it is), human nature as a topic is heavily disputed in psychology. It's just a phrase with no scientific basis. A murderer doesn't murder somebody because it's human nature. They murder somebody because they chose to do it. Why they chose to do it can be for a variety of complex or simple factors. Unless you deny free will, which is a whole other argument.
@@DerOrso human nature isn't a thing. Or at least it's existence is heavily disputed in psychology. Either way, your argument about laws is dumb. Is it human nature to fuck a cow? Or to commit suicide? (Which was a law in some countries) . Is it human nature to have an abortion? (I'm pro-choice btw). Is it human nature to embezzle money? To jaywalk? Smoke weed? If your answer to all of these is yes, then literally everything anybody does is human nature and the term is redundant.
Considering your side likes to pretend communism would work out if only the right people were in charge when they aren't outright rewriting history... glass houses, honey.
The problems with 'Sherman's March to the Sea' are plenty. But in the main point is that for the first time in Western Civilization, civilian infrastructure was targeted by a commanding General. The largest battle in North American history (Gettysburg) resulted in accidental one civilian casualty. After Sherman's March, worldwide military doctrine would change - civilians and civilian infrastructure would now be legitimate targets since the they would now be considered part of a war effort. Since the war was a few months from ending and there were no supply lines to any Confederate forces still in the field, Sherman's March also instituted another idea - Collective Punishment - a new political doctrine that is equally noxious. While the idea of Total War might very well have been on it's way regardless - it's a shame a Union General had to institute it.
What are you on about? Civilian infrastructure has been the target of armies since the dawn of time. Armies would ransack and loot entire towns, killing and raping thousands in the process. The english started entire wars with the sole purpose of burning down the french countryside so as to cause economical damage. What in the world makes you think Sherman was the first?
Of course, that would mean admitting General Early unprovoked burned Chambersburg to the ground before getting beat so badly that he was eventually relieved of command and, at the time, it was believed his humiliating loss at Cedar Creek helped get Lincoln reelected!
Sherman's March can not be compared to the crimes of the Axis of World War II. Sherman at least showed some regret with his famous quote "War is Hell." The Axis leaders and Stalin's USSR on the other hand showed absolutely no remorse. Sherman was wrong for what he did but comparing his deeds to that of the Axis Powers is apples to oranges.
the prussian army didn´t they comit a long list of crimes including forced labour, force drafting children and gund down protestors but they always where so diciplined they abstained from r..e
Sherman's march was intended to shock and terrify, which it did, and it didn't get much further than that. The South's treatment of both free and enslaved Black Americans would have had Bobby Lee and his leaders sitting before a tribunal in Geneva or the UN. What the Japanese did in WW2 (period, end of sentence, that's how bad it was,) would have had pretty much all of Japanese high command and more speedrunning the Nuremberg Trials and going directly to executions with the amount of war crimes they committed.
Or the dozens of Union guerrilla leaders whose names dissolved into history after the war. “Bad Ed” Terrell out of Kentucky is probably the most famous of that ilk, enough that I believe the main antagonist of the Outlaw Josey Wales is named after him.
Nah dude, in their mind it was worse than a Nazi atrocity. Did it actually happen? No, but just watch that KKK movie and you’ll see how “terrifying” they think it was
Quite litterally, according to the geneva convention, shermans march was really messed up. But? He didnt have the Geneva convention and he wasnt the worst. Just the biggest and most successful.
Yeah it happened. My great-grandmother when I met her one time when I was eight. Wanted to tell all the children about what her parents had told her which is they butchered all the animals and took the meat and they literally we're left to starve and that's why the south has a lot of problems that they do in like Mississippi, georgia and louisiana that area because they were decimated by Sherman's March to the sea
Shermans March was horrible and i will disagree that that it 'wasn't that bad'/that it didn't happen But comparing it to Nazi Germany or Nanking is a little over the top, same stuff different scale
@@johnroscoe2406 I have met dozens of people who all said that nothing happened in the march, the soldiers walked peacefully through the towns without harming any civilians and only fought with Confederate soldiers. But those same people will criticize Shermans post civil war mistreatment of native Americans, because apparently it only matters if it happens to a people that they don't dislike
@@Omega_1111 that’s because confederates were traitors who were bitterly defending African chattel slavery 13,000 Americans were purposely starved to death at Andersonville so they couldn’t continue to fight for the union. Confederate troops began capturing and murdering foragers by hanging the prisoners and leaving the bodies out on display. Orders given by Confederate President Davis were to continue fighting even after Confederate armies began surrendering.
At the BEGINNING of the war they were treading lightly, sure; but Sherman's march occurred at the end when a policy of total war, scorched earth had been adopted.
@@VERDIENSTORDEN What about defending the freedoms and liberties of over 4 million enslaved African Americans and the idea of the United States being a unified nation? Do you understand why people would have fought to defend that?
@@VERDIENSTORDENBecause it's not a separate entity from the people it governs. This isn't a theocratic feudalistic monarchy as much as some Confederate apologists wish it were. It's a federal republic that ideally treats all members equally - the traitors wanted special treatment for their peculiar institution and decided to start shooting when the people had finally had enough of their bullshit.
@@italia689When the Nazis who tried to mass genocide multiple groups of people in the worst way possible look at you like you’re a monster, you know you fucked up
there are MANY MANY MANY towns in the south that were wiped off a map thanks to General Sherman. Lexington, SC was too, a lodge in downtown Lexington still has some rocks from the original lodge, which are most likely the only remnants of the original Lexington, SC still in existence, all because of General Sherman
These people either think that Sherman was literally the Devil or they severely underestimate how brutal the Axis powers were to POW's and civilians alike. Just look how many people in Greece died from starvation when under nazi Italian occupation and then keep in mind that the Japanese were 100 times worse
Crazy talk indeed. I'm guessing your time at school in NC may have been somewhat like mine in the Army for 24 years--listening to the endless drivel about states rights, Lee was the greatest (fighting laughter), Northern aggression, evil Sherman, blah, blah, blah. There is an apocryphal story of an Army LT from the North speeding down I-185 on his way to Airborne School, and getting pulled over by a GA State Trooper, who asks him, "Son, you have any idea how fast you were going?" To which he responds, "Not as fast as Sherman went through here." And supposedly being put in lock-up. I like to think that, sometime, somewhere, that zinger was uttered for real.
I just realized that when he does these he can’t do anymore until 4 weeks later when his beard properly grows back. And when he is shooting the reb stuff he can’t go back and shoot any extra union stuff because he already shaved his chin lol.
Nothing tops unit 731. Im sorry, but Ive never seen anything in history, save perhaps King Basil of the Byzantines that outdoes the sheer cruelty for the sake of cruelty that was systematically enacted on any population. You could argue that the actions and behavior patterns of uday hussein are a little worse, as he was taking the individual initiative to do these things, without a group mentality of brutality to push him on, but the sheer scale of imerial Japanese atrocity overshadowed it, when I was studying.
Ok but in another one of your videos you mentioned that it didn’t take many months after it became clear how much the south intended to fight for the northerners to develop deep hatred for them. So what about then.
no, on paper yes, but empirically and theoretically fair treatment for any civilians on any side would be, and was bad. There are cases in oklahoma, where confederates took over homes, and cases on Kentucky where federals took over homes. But the American civil war cannot be compared to a degenerated and primitive European world war, which talking about operation barbarosa in the area of the feudal orthodox church and serfdom, where armies had no logistics competence or supplies, and no moral rules.
What did those solders do after the war to the American Indians? This video is propaganda trying to make it seem like the Union was some kind of benevolent force when in fact they were Genocidal Colonizers who went on to commit horrible acts of violence in order to expand the borders of your country. @@rynemcgriffin1752
Wow...the confederates were deifinitely no saints but it is disturbing how many of my fellow northerners would say Sherman was too soft. Also Sherman was even worse to Native Americans.
(1860) White southern conservatives committed treason and formed the confederacy to preserve African slavery and white supremacy. (1865) White southern conservatives make up the KKK. (1865-1890) White southern conservatives make up black codes. (1877) Poll tax, literacy tests and registration referral is instituted across the south to disenfranchise black voters *(Georgia)* The term “grandfathered” is first used, exempting whites from all of this. (1883) Civil Rights Cases, Supreme Court votes (8-1) the Civil Rights Act of 1875 unconstitutional, ruling that the 14th Amendment only applied to state actions, not private individuals or businesses, leading to the legitimization of racial segregation and the establishment of Jim Crow laws in the South. (1884) Black citizens are barred from juries *(Mississippi)* (1896) Plessy vs. Ferguson Supreme Court case upheld the constitutionality of racial segregation under the "separate but equal" doctrine, legitimizing the Jim Crow laws *(Louisiana)* (1896-1968) White southern conservatives make up Jim Crow laws. (1954) Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court case overturned Plessy vs. Ferguson, ruling that racial segregation in public schools was unconstitutional *(Kansas)* (1954-1968) White southern conservatives oppose civil rights. (1957) Little Rock Nine incident, *Arkansas* Governor resists federal law by activating the national guard to keep black students out. President Eisenhower directs the 101st Airborne to enforce and oversee desegregation. (1967-2023) White southern conservatives oppose interracial marriages. (2001-2013) White southern conservatives oppose gay marriage. (2023) Diversity, Equality, and Inclusion (DEI) is opposed by white southern conservatives. We’ll never forget that Confederates are traitors and white supremacists 🇺🇸
General Yamashita would like a word, he got hung for the actions of his armies in WW2 in Singapore and Philippines despite the UN admitting he didn't know or order the crimes. Hes a war criminal, therefore Sherman is equally guilty if any of his men commited crimes. Just because hes "on the good guys team" doesn't mean shit. Compared to other trials, hes equally as guilty.
The bigger issue is that the entire scale is MASSIVELY different. So of course, Sherman is a war criminal. But obviously the South did the same, so uh... Both bad, but ones clearly worse.
What an incredibly uneven comparison. Putting aside the timeline, choosing the Japanese war crime trails is a real... Uh... *interesting choice* ... considering the Members of the imperial family who directly ordered war crimes to be committed were *let off scot free. No punishment whatsoever. One of the terms of the peace deal.* So yeah, sometimes people do get executed for things their men did without order. And sometimes the people who are punished are coached to make sure they don't incriminate the emperor or his family. Sometimes the crimes committed by unit 731 are covered up in exchange for America getting the results of their """"research"""". Sometimes, a country is more focused on making sure they keep the peace than any form of justice. The Japanese war crime trails were a god damn sham. Using them as the basis for a comparison would be funny if it wasn't so dumb.
@@prophetofthe8th consistency is impossible as long as people are people. There is no leverage to convict those in true power without massive support. The only ones who could convict the winner of a war are those who are massively more powerful then them or by ones allies, which is shooting yourself in the foot.
Yashamita did issue orders for mass executions read the transcripts and evidence very few Japanese or Germans were tried for their war crimes get a grip.
Shermans march to the sea was more llike how the germans themselves did in germany in 1944 and 1945. It was 1/100 of the brutality of barbarossa. And japan was worse than even the ss.
It took 70 years to rebuild the South after the war. Literally, every major city was put to the torch. Lincoln's "at any cost" measures were a foundation of why the North won the war. The victors always erase their evil and highlight the enemy's, that is true of every war. For instance, things like unit 731 and POW stories are highlighted to show Japan's evil, but the fact that more innocent civilians were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki's nuking than every victim of Japanese POW camps and special units is carefully ignored. Or like how in this clip how "Sherman's awful treatment of civilians" was supposed to be returned to, however it wasn't. But that's where the similarities end. "As bad as" doesn't mean "identical to", bc occupying foreign nations and civil wars have different methods and campaigns. Plus, cameras and video technology make it harder to hide such activities in modern wars. The only "proof" we have of Napoleon's tactics, Khan's methods and Islamic butcherings are the stories claimed by the survivors, and every testimony given by Southern survivors indicates that there was a MASSIVE amount of looting, raping, murdering and burning. Funny how every victim of an assault today is supposed to be believed, but when that coin is flipped no responsibility is ever taken. It's understandable, however. Just like the war with Japan, the civil war would've waged for another 7 or 8 years without the looting, raping and pillaging. Nuking cities full of women and children forced Emporer Hirohito to surrender, just like how the atrocities of Sherman's march forced the south to end the war. But the denial of doing so is just another atrocity itself.
From stories in the Union Slave states there were definitely both Union and even more so Confederate soldiers burning houses and plantations. However, it was more like a bleeding Kansas Situation and was not endorsed by the Union higher ups. Sherman’s Total war strategy is more akin to dropping bombs on civilian targets that hold military objectives like in WWI & WWII or even current day Israel attacks on Hamas Targets in Gaza. It was not the same as the Japanese, Nazi, or Hamas atrocities which purposely targeted civilians regardless of their military importance and mass kidnapping & r*ping of said civilian, and in the case of Japanese and Nazi using them as slave labor and in extremely inhumane experiments. Sherman never did such thing.
You almost made it through but had to claim Israel is being careful with Gaza. The IDF has destroyed hospitals and refugee camps. That is not surgical. That is not appropriate. It's targeting civilians the way they always have. Go research this instead of only taking what the mainstream wants you to think.
I love how in comparing Sherman to the Nazis, he only mentions Russia as if that's the only place they were awful. Makes me wonder if that loss causer is also a holocaust denier.
@Egilhelmson you either don't know what a straw man is, or you have a reason to lie. Which one is it? Cuz he shows the argument being presented, which is the opposite of a straw man.
If you look real close, you'll see that the individual he appears to be debating history with is actually himself, wearing a different costume and reciting his lines in an exaggerated manner meant to come off as clownish. So we can't know if this individual is also a holocaust denier absent a further episode where holocaust denial is set up to be knocked down in the fiction of this pantomimed debate. This is how real, serious history is done.
I agree with most of your videos, but this one is false. Sherman's march obliterated the South's economy for almost a century in some areas, and it is well documented that he burnt towns and cities to the ground out of spite instead of necessity. Comparison to any World War is ridiculous of course. But Sherman's march was evil, and did untold unnecessary damage to the South. It should've never happened.
I love this channel I really do but what got me so confused about it IS THAT DOES THIS GUY HAVE A TWIN OR DOES HE KEEP SHAVING HIS FREAKING BEARD OR UNLESS HE HAS A FAKE BEARD OR SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALL THE SAME PERSON
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My Great Uncle was a POW of the Japanese for nearly three years. In his captivity he, lost virtually all his sight to ulcers. Was paralyzed from the waist down from Malaria. Emaciated. Family had not heard from him until his rescue.
That happening to Uncle Bill and tens-of-thousands of other POWs from the Allied nations. Random torture and executions, slave labor until they died from exhaustion, poor to no rations and water, no medicine, and even worse to women.
Another thing, a little twist of irony, Uncle Bill's nephew, my Grandfather, was in the Army in WWII, stationed on Guam and later the Occupation Forces of Japan. He met a Japanese nurse there. They married. Grandpa comes home with a Japanese bride. It split the family. Most of Grandpa's family was cold or outright hostile to Grandma. The exceptions being, one of Grandpa's brothers, and, surprisingly, Uncle Bill himself.
Uncle Bill suffered from Shell Shock, or PTSD. At the time there was no real treatment for it. Most tried to cope with alcohol, cigarettes, and drugs. That's what Uncle Bill tried to do. He would lock himself in the basement for days drinking. His captivity scarred him both physically and emotionally to the point that he could never work again, he had only one marriage that was brief. Their only child died within a year.
Yet, according to Grandma, Uncle Bill never once blamed her for what happened to him. Nor did he raise his voice, call her names, or be mean to her, but he wouldn't stay in the same room with her for very long.
"But Sherman's March made what Japan did to everyone look sweet by comparison." I can honestly say, no. They're not even close.
Sorry about what happened your uncle.
God damn your uncle was a strong man. He kept his integrity from what I can tell, despite it all. And that's little solace I'm sure but... Eh it's something to be proud of
Funny how that eerily matches up to what happened to Union POWs at Andersonville
Lol I could honestly not give a damn what Sherman did to slave holders who did worst not for 3 years, but for fxcking 300 years and if you want to try to compare the two, since I saw that slight jab you did about blaming. Then we can continue the comparison but you won't come out the victor I guarantee you that
@@mk-ultraviolence1760 So the Confederates were closer to making Japan’s actions look sweet by comparison than Sherman ever was. I have no words.
Comparing Shermans March to Generalplan Ost is a little telling for how some of these lost causers feel about WW2.
That's often due to the many connections between fascists and segregationists/Klan members in the south starting around the late 1890s. Little known fact, but the modern college system in the US actually came from Germany. I am stalking all of the STEM fields beyond math and general sciences like engineering.
But also, many European countries like Prussia and Germany came to the US to observe, because for the first time, a country had effectively two Armies in the field continually.
Basically, the US's Civil War made WWI possible.
Dude are you actually brain dead? Yes, that’s exactly how they feel abut it it’s not even hidden. I got like 10 guys following me on an app who are all confederate nazis.
I think, that obvious fact, that "Rebel Jack" constantly appearing on the far-right marches with other pretty flags with swastikas, tell us much more, and not about support of buddhism, lol.
Bravo. Foreign observers were on both sides, and the Prussian used the lessons learned just a few years later to smash the Austrians then defeat France after that. @@halvarmc671
@@halvarmc671
Little known fact, that right before American Civil War it was huge German emigration wave in US, which bringed many actual communists like August Villigh or Joseph Weidemayer, who had not only huge role in formation of early Republican party nut also supported the North and Linkoln during the war. Also, Karl Marx himself openly supported Linkoln in press.
And it is kinda ironic, that even Soviet official history science had similiar positive narrative about Linkoln, considering modern ideology of US Republicans and Cold War heritage.
Sherman’s March is a nice playdate compared to what the Japanese did holy fuck
There are also legitimate reasons to condemn Sherman but his actions against Confederate production is not one of them. If someone is going to call Sherman a monster it should be for his treatment of Indians and not for his treatment of the Confederacy.
@@ethank5059absolutely
- Unit 731
- Nanjing
- Catch the baby
- Cholera fleas
- Comfort women
- Three Alls Policy
- Bataan Death March
Yeah, probably the worlds leading producer of war crimes
@@ethank5059I'd argue both were poor, but its a fucking war, the time for fun picnic outings ended in 1861
What the Nazis and Stalin did may have been a picnic to what the Japanese did. Like wtf people. It makes Saw look reasonable.
That comment perfectly illustrates their lack of knowledge of anything the Japanese did.
Well, Japanese warcrimes are not widely taught.
The problem is a bit different: people usually - if at all - are aware of the stuff like Rape of Nanking and Unit 731, or mistreatment of the Allied prisoners of war.
However, what people do not realize is how the Japanese brutalized and exploited civilian populations in the conquered territories. Their system of forced labor and starvation caused millions to die.
Another thing is how the Japanese treated Chinese POWs - they killed almost all of them save a handful. @@shanehudson3995
You know it's bad when it's not called a massacre but a *rape*
Or what the Nazis did, especially in the East.
@antorseax9492 There's no limit on the lessons taught concerning Nazi evils. The wholesale extermination of Jews, gays, gypsies, the handicapped mental or otherwise. That includes Nazi warcrimes in Eastern Europe.
But things like the Rape of Nanking, warcrimes across the whole of Manchuria, the Philippines, etc?
Barely touched on in school. And the Japanese government and it's people have never been taken to task for it.
“let’s discuss this within the bounds of reality” is such a quote of all time
Anyone who thinks Sherman’s March was as bad as fucking unit 731 is delusional.
Anybody who thinks Sherman wasn't a war criminal is just delusional and idiotic
@@tiffanywyatt5137
These are not conflicting opinions. He can be both a war criminal and not as bad as Unit 731.
@@420mralucard yeah. Still a POS war criminal
Sherman aside, you should look into the Japanese occupation of Guam and the mass executions and mass "grape" there.
@@tiffanywyatt5137Where did someone say that exactly?
Sherman was right in that the landed plantation owners needed to suffer in the only way they feared, financial ruin, to get them under heal. Sherman's March was about telling the plantation owners in Alabama and South Carolina, and in regions yet untouched by the war, what was going to happen to them and their precious wealth, if they did not give in. Since owning slaves is about hoarding wealth, from the viewpoint of the slave holder, the idea that they were going to lose everything and that the only thing they could do to stop it was to surrender before it was their turn, probably is what ended the war.
Tennessee ran back home, and showed themselves in their fields south of Nashville after the siege of Atlanta.. they did that, so the women wouldn't be disrespected in the same way Shermans bummers behaved.
. I live in rural Georgia an there isnt a house that predates his genocide he burned everything and his men raped and pillaged women and children shame on all of you who defend it. Owning a slave in he south was like owning a yacht today. The ppl he murdered never owned anyone
@elliottbaker201 yeah. Sure. 🥱
@@barbiedahl they did.. you should go visit that bold proud state and follow the trail
@elliottbaker201 was referring to their fears, not their actions but m'kay.🥱
It's very telling that they only consider the atrocities, unacceptable when in the context of Union Soldiers hurting Confederate civilians but not a slave owner and an enslaved person. That exact sentiment makes me wanna break out the world's smallest violin when ever anyone complains about how bad the March to the Sea was.
In my experience they don't even want to talk about slave owners when discussing the civil war because the war had nothing to do with slaves, in their minds.
It just triggers them so much they separate the conversations.
@@ANTIStraussian To quote my 8th grade history teacher "no matter the reason you think the south rebelled, slavery was the biggest factor". If you believe it was the economy that did It, the south was stuck without modernization due to protecting the slavery classes interests. If you believe it was the cultural divide then there was no one bigger slavery.
Union soldiers killed slaves because it was easier than transporting them north as refugees.
@@justanotheranimeprofilepicdude considering New Jersey was considered the worst place to be a slave before the civil war I’m not exactly sure any of that shit is true.
And also I don’t know if you know this but the north was still racist as shit after the war and still is. From the civil war all the way to the modern present, blacks in northern cities like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Philly, etc. have had it pretty fucking rough.
But hey you can treat em like shit so long as you don’t own them right?
@@nashmonti120This is covered in the “Was Lincoln a Tyrant?” video.
In short; yes, most of the North was still intensely racist, but it was also largely anti-slavery, a position which was solidified as the war went on. Any attempt to deflect blame from the South’s position on slavery by pointing to Northern prejudices is just pointless whataboutism.
Confederates when you tell them forced labor is also a war crime 🤯
Not really a war crime, forced labor’s better described as a crime against humanity
You mean like Sherman did?
@@Gage_The_Comrade_or_Something Why not both.
The idea of war crimes wasn't around during the Civil War and wouldn't be for another 40 years.
It is a warcrime though too. You cant force POW's to work. @@Gage_The_Comrade_or_Something
The commenter was seriously trying to say that sherman did something worse than the Rape of Nanjing 💀💀💀
Russian here.
From my perspective, comparing general Sherman raid with nazi actions is dumb and stupid, especially considering the fact, that nazies invaded in USSR (not only Russia, Ukranian SSR and Belorussian SSR suffered from occupation too) for "clearing living space from subhumans" for "aryan superior race" and also literally enslaved around 5 mln Soviet citizens from hard work and sexual abuse, and taked them to Germany. Sound familiar, huh? And it is really laughable, when somebody trying to defend one slaver by scary media picture of another slaver. Also, elite of CSA even did not hided their plan to create "empire of the Golden Circle" for expanding slavery to the territory of the modern Mexico, so actual similarities between CSA and nazi Germany become even stronger.
BTW, even if we forget about nazies, considering story of our own Civil War in 1917, where all sides (because it was not fight between just Reds and Whites, but it was more like Deathmatch,lol) did not had any mercy at all, Sherman actions looks like childs play. You can read General William S. Graves memories in his book America's Siberian Adventure (1918-1920) about US intervention during Russian Civil War, where he honestly described actual situation and war crimes.
Yeah the Russian civil war is absolutely brutal and not really talked about in the states, which is a shame, but makes sense. As we have a lot to talk about. Nonetheless, that civil/was in general. Was brutal, and also extremely interesting. My favorite story from it has to be about the Czechoslovak legion.
@natebox4550 At my high-school in the Midwest, they covered the russian civil war for a whole semester. We learned about the american civil war alot in junior high, but in high-school, my world history teacher hyperfocused on the russian civil war and the rise on Lenin. I'm glad too, because compared to the russian civil war, the american civil war is a snooze fest.
@@WhoahioCivil wars are some of the most brutal wars. In Paraguay (?), as much as 50% or more of the population died in one.
“War crimes? You mean trolling the traitors?” -General Sherman
Your honor, my client pleads not guilty and would like to say that he 'does a little trolling'.
As bad as Sherman's March was, comparing them to how the Japanese treated people in WWII is a woeful misunderstanding of history.
All Sherman lacked was the tech.....the malice was on par.
@@captainl-ron4068There’s a reason why it’s not called “The Raid on Nanking” and called “The Rape of Nanking.”
The problem isn't comparing the Union to the Jap's or Nazi's - the problem is the precedent. It would be the first time in Western Civilization where civilian infrastructure having nothing to do with war would be targeted on order of a commanding General. While 'Total War' and 'Collective Punishment' would soon be accepted military and political doctrine worldwide and probably would have happened anyway, as a matter of policy - it started with Sherman's 'March to the Sea'.
@@rynemcgriffin1752 indeed…..because those Japanese soldiers behaved in ways nearly as abominable as Sherman and his Monsters.
Unit 731 for all their sickness did not commit their atrocities agains their own people…….Sherman enacted a deliberate campaign of slaughter and rape against people he insisted were ‘his own’ despite their desire to disassociate completely from his faction of slavers in favour of a different one.
@@captainl-ron4068 Your lack of knowledge of history is astounding. Have you ever heard the stories that came out of Nanking? Babies being tossed in the air and used either as target or bayonet practice, fathers and sons being forced to rape their own mothers and daughters, there’s a live account from a survivor where he watched his pregnant mother be raped by a Japanese soldier until she miscarried. The Japanese were so barbaric that even the Nazis were disgusted by their actions, the fucking *Nazis* were disgusted with the crimes being committed by Japan. The most Sherman did was burn down some slavedriver’s plantations and fail to stop the burning of Atlanta. They are not even close to comparable and your attempt to even try to pretend that it was shows how utterly brainwashed you are.
Sherman deliberately targeted economic infrastructure and food production, mass rape and murder no. Looting, slaughtering live stock, burning grain stores did happen. The South added to the problem by drafting convicts that pillaged areas where Sherman's troops never marched. So Sherman got the blame for crimes the were committed by both sides.
War crimes are bad but what Japan did even disgusted the nazies and they did stuff no normal sane person would ever think of doing, very few instances in history can compare to what Japan and the Nazis did
the nazis also hanged ss oficers that did fucked up shit (and didn´t bribe ther superiors)
karl otto koch is a prime exampe for that
Bro, even if Shermans March wasn't exaggerated, I'd still just say womp womp
What Sherman did was laughable compared to how the South treated black soldiers and their white commanders.
Exactly, look what happened at Andersonville
@@scotttracy9333same thing happened in northern camps
@@VERDIENSTORDENgo kiss your cousin jeb
@@VERDIENSTORDENnot really. Southern soldiers in Northern camps got better food than they got from their own army.
Part of why Confederates attacked so vigorously was because it meant they could take Northern provisions to subsist on because the South was notoriously bad at supply logistics.
@@redclayscholar620bullshit
Sherman was the original "Fuck around and find out".
Union suffered vastly more, they just had more bodies
@@friendlyJeff1984And which one are you living in now?
@@friendlyJeff1984 Nah, the traitors lost because of poor strategic decisions. Their leaders were all tactical geniuses and strategic children. They won a lot of battles that did nothing to help them win the war.
@@friendlyJeff1984 kind of what happens when you’re playing offense. Fighting people in their own territories, is a hell of a lot harder than defending. But you know, at least those brave soldiers that died stood for something that wasn’t owning a human being.
@@MistaHoward If they were 'traitors' then so was Washington and the other Slavers of Independence Hall.
So if you'd kindly return those thirteen stolen colonies.......or speak no more of 'traitors', your choice.
His soul goes marching on
I once met the author of "My Life With the Samurai: A Pow in Indonesia" (Tony Cowling) many years back; he survived Japanese Captivity during WW2 and provides a rather unflinching recollection of their "hospitality"
Sherman himself wasn't a war criminal because he didn't order anything that would be considered a war crime. Did men under his command commit war crimes? Yeah it happened but it wasn't ordered from higher up, just men taking advantage of the situation to do evil deeds (which happens in every war)
He didn’t order it, but he did turn a blind eye. Mind you I’m no last causer. The civil war was about slavery. I just find the history fascinating.
@@FortKnoxMoviesI like how you had to point out that you weren't a lost causer lol
That exact argument didn't fly for certain Japanese generals in WW2. Not knowing is still a war crime when in charge of an army, just him being on the "good side" gets him overlooked.
@@FortKnoxMoviesyup exactly, I seem to remember WW2 Nazis and Japanese using that excuse and getting executed. It's ironic when it's done by the "good guys" it's not a crime as the leadership didn't order it.
I feel like you could have phrased this a little better. "Did men under his command commit war crimes? Yeah it happened but it wasn't ordered from higher up" is not an excuse. If you know your subordinates are doing something and you don't stop it, you are still responsible. In Grant's case I think the relevant points are that A. like Atun-Shei says in the longer video, it was mostly stragglers and bums hanging around his army who did crimes, not the regulars actually under his command. B. when some of his regulars did do crimes like when some got drunk and out of control in Columbia, he and his officers did make efforts to stop it and punish the perpetrators.
Could Sherman have done more to stop the war crimes that happened? Maybe. But even if he did, he was a war criminal in the broadest sense, nothing like Imperial Japanese or Nazi German generals.
I bet the burning of Atlanta was also worse than the Dresden fire bombing.
Lol you delusional to believe that
@@AntifirstAmendmentSenators That's the joke. You got the joke.
Can we appreciate the delivery of the "Japanese did to... *everyone*"
It really has little to do with the union or civil was in general.
Supreme allied command during WW2 had a report that basically boiled down to "where armies march, rape happens".
United states hung 71 and shot 3 of their service members for it alone. Another was alleged to have committed the crime against a 4yo girl and was beaten to death by military police either as retribution or an attempt to resist.
forget the civil war, let's discuss what sherman did to my ancestors at fort sill in oklahoma.
Was he the guy that started targeting the bison or is that somebody else?
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yes, along with the slaughter and relocation of many indigenous people, as part of a campaign to starve us to death.
@@user-mx1wu6ky8e That was someone else. Sherman was devoted to forcing the Kiowa and other "wild tribes" onto reservations and wasn't above lying and sentencing people to die in order to do it. Hell, his first assignment after West Point involved attacking the Seminole in the Second Seminole War.
Yeah, if you really want to discredit Sherman, just mention what he did to Native Americans. But I'm pretty sure Lost Causers see them juuuuuuust slightly above black people
@@Ramboost007Well yeah, how else are they gonna declare them as “fighting for their masters” when that couldn’t have been further from the truth
There is no evidence it happened on the scale southern sympathizers pretend did, but let's not pretend an invading army WOULDN'T take the opportunity to rape and pillage as they pleased, whether it was a sovereign nation or a region in rebellion. It happens in every war that has ever happened in recorded history and probably before.
Instead look to how those who were caught were punished, and the Northern government did punish those who committed such acts. Probably not as harshly as people with modern sensitivities would want, but they were punished.
I'm sure there were atrocities but in the history of warfare it seems to have been a fairly benevolent operation.
When Southerners own slaves: "Everybody did it, so what?"
When Sherman scorches the earth: "Well I never! This is unprecedented!"
On mass, no. Small pockets, yes. Some were dealt with and others got away with it. BTW, that happens in every conflict, military or civilian, regardless of culture or country. We call it human nature.
I agree apart from the human nature part. It's not human nature to be a piece of shit and all military's should strive to minimize any mistreatment of civilians to zero (obviously zero is pretty much impossible but trying to make it zero means minimizing it as much as possible).
@@joshaskew5035 "It's not human nature to be a piece of shit ..", yes, it actually is human nature. Were it not, we would need no laws protecting against it, because people simply wouldn't do it.
That is not to say that everyone acts like a human POS. But to deny that some do is simply not truthful and a foolish field to stand on.
@@DerOrso I never denied that people did it, obviously people do. But to chalk it up to 'human nature' is silly. Human nature isn't real (or at least I don't believe it is), human nature as a topic is heavily disputed in psychology. It's just a phrase with no scientific basis. A murderer doesn't murder somebody because it's human nature. They murder somebody because they chose to do it. Why they chose to do it can be for a variety of complex or simple factors. Unless you deny free will, which is a whole other argument.
@@DerOrso human nature isn't a thing. Or at least it's existence is heavily disputed in psychology. Either way, your argument about laws is dumb. Is it human nature to fuck a cow? Or to commit suicide? (Which was a law in some countries) . Is it human nature to have an abortion? (I'm pro-choice btw). Is it human nature to embezzle money? To jaywalk? Smoke weed? If your answer to all of these is yes, then literally everything anybody does is human nature and the term is redundant.
@@DerOrso I replied twice because I fought the first time I wrote the comment it didn't work. But it did, so I guess read both and laugh at my idiocy
After a long weekend, our Southern barracks corporal exclaimed, "This place looks like Sherman's march through Georgia!"
They still howling
Who?
@@VERDIENSTORDEN Georgia
I didn’t really know confederacy supporters existed at the level it does today
Just assuming that the Southerners were “mistreated”, who started the war ? And was it any worse than how the enslaved population was treated?
What?!? Far right wingers makes history stuff up? Say it isnt so...
Considering your side likes to pretend communism would work out if only the right people were in charge when they aren't outright rewriting history... glass houses, honey.
Leftist even more so
@@VERDIENSTORDEN no. you are just another right wing fool completely detached from reality
@@VERDIENSTORDENsource?
@@VERDIENSTORDEN Yes, feel free to post a left leaning CAPITALISTIC source for that. Yes, not everyone on the left are tankies or communists.
The problems with 'Sherman's March to the Sea' are plenty. But in the main point is that for the first time in Western Civilization, civilian infrastructure was targeted by a commanding General. The largest battle in North American history (Gettysburg) resulted in accidental one civilian casualty. After Sherman's March, worldwide military doctrine would change - civilians and civilian infrastructure would now be legitimate targets since the they would now be considered part of a war effort. Since the war was a few months from ending and there were no supply lines to any Confederate forces still in the field, Sherman's March also instituted another idea - Collective Punishment - a new political doctrine that is equally noxious. While the idea of Total War might very well have been on it's way regardless - it's a shame a Union General had to institute it.
What are you on about? Civilian infrastructure has been the target of armies since the dawn of time. Armies would ransack and loot entire towns, killing and raping thousands in the process.
The english started entire wars with the sole purpose of burning down the french countryside so as to cause economical damage.
What in the world makes you think Sherman was the first?
I'm surprised Johnny never talks about Sheridan in the valley...
Of course, that would mean admitting General Early unprovoked burned Chambersburg to the ground before getting beat so badly that he was eventually relieved of command and, at the time, it was believed his humiliating loss at Cedar Creek helped get Lincoln reelected!
Sherman's March can not be compared to the crimes of the Axis of World War II. Sherman at least showed some regret with his famous quote "War is Hell." The Axis leaders and Stalin's USSR on the other hand showed absolutely no remorse. Sherman was wrong for what he did but comparing his deeds to that of the Axis Powers is apples to oranges.
Its harder to find armies in history that didnt committ mass rape.
the prussian army didn´t
they comit a long list of crimes
including forced labour,
force drafting children
and gund down protestors
but they always where so diciplined they abstained from r..e
Sherman's march was intended to shock and terrify, which it did, and it didn't get much further than that.
The South's treatment of both free and enslaved Black Americans would have had Bobby Lee and his leaders sitting before a tribunal in Geneva or the UN.
What the Japanese did in WW2 (period, end of sentence, that's how bad it was,) would have had pretty much all of Japanese high command and more speedrunning the Nuremberg Trials and going directly to executions with the amount of war crimes they committed.
"Japan did to....everyone"
Got a laugh out of me
A wonderful way of explaining that something is still bad but not nearly as terrible as they think
We refer to Sherman’s march to the sea as urban renewal where I come from.
Let's not also forget about quantrills raiders and bloody bill Andersons boys either. They committed no small list of warcrimes.
Or the dozens of Union guerrilla leaders whose names dissolved into history after the war. “Bad Ed” Terrell out of Kentucky is probably the most famous of that ilk, enough that I believe the main antagonist of the Outlaw Josey Wales is named after him.
Be very careful when throwing out direct comparisons to Nazi atrocities.
Nah dude, in their mind it was worse than a Nazi atrocity. Did it actually happen? No, but just watch that KKK movie and you’ll see how “terrifying” they think it was
"War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."
- William Tecumseh Sherman
Quite litterally, according to the geneva convention, shermans march was really messed up. But? He didnt have the Geneva convention and he wasnt the worst. Just the biggest and most successful.
Japan’s unit 731 would like a word with Johnny Reb there
Wanna know why we know humans are 70% water? Ask Imperial Japan
Sherman knew what it took to get a job done.
Yeah it happened. My great-grandmother when I met her one time when I was eight. Wanted to tell all the children about what her parents had told her which is they butchered all the animals and took the meat and they literally we're left to starve and that's why the south has a lot of problems that they do in like Mississippi, georgia and louisiana that area because they were decimated by Sherman's March to the sea
Shermans March was horrible and i will disagree that that it 'wasn't that bad'/that it didn't happen
But comparing it to Nazi Germany or Nanking is a little over the top, same stuff different scale
I wouldn’t consider Sherman’s march the same stuff as Unit 731
No one has said it "didn't happen."
@@theanimalguy7 I specifically didn't mention 731
@@johnroscoe2406 I have met dozens of people who all said that nothing happened in the march, the soldiers walked peacefully through the towns without harming any civilians and only fought with Confederate soldiers.
But those same people will criticize Shermans post civil war mistreatment of native Americans, because apparently it only matters if it happens to a people that they don't dislike
@@Omega_1111 that’s because confederates were traitors who were bitterly defending African chattel slavery
13,000 Americans were purposely starved to death at Andersonville so they couldn’t continue to fight for the union. Confederate troops began capturing and murdering foragers by hanging the prisoners and leaving the bodies out on display. Orders given by Confederate President Davis were to continue fighting even after Confederate armies began surrendering.
The Japanese did to… “everyone” has me
Screaming
well looking at what nations japan was in war with it is a pretty long list
(i count both WW´s)
"...and we'll get to that"
"Damn' right we will!!!"
- hahaha!
Yet he doesn't get to it, does he?
At the BEGINNING of the war they were treading lightly, sure; but Sherman's march occurred at the end when a policy of total war, scorched earth had been adopted.
Are these two twins?
No he’s acting for both characters.
I don't understand how these people can defend the confederacy and still sleep at night. Must have no conscience or empathy
I don’t understand somebody who would defend the Federal government
@@VERDIENSTORDEN that is because you are mentally deficient
@@VERDIENSTORDEN
What about defending the freedoms and liberties of over 4 million enslaved African Americans and the idea of the United States being a unified nation? Do you understand why people would have fought to defend that?
It’s the culture down south. You would be surprised at how crazy ideas can be when they’re backed by “tradition”
@@VERDIENSTORDENBecause it's not a separate entity from the people it governs. This isn't a theocratic feudalistic monarchy as much as some Confederate apologists wish it were. It's a federal republic that ideally treats all members equally - the traitors wanted special treatment for their peculiar institution and decided to start shooting when the people had finally had enough of their bullshit.
Sherman's boys were soft compared to the Japanese. Cry me a river, Johnny Reb!!!
Heck, they terrified the Nazis.
@@italia689When the Nazis who tried to mass genocide multiple groups of people in the worst way possible look at you like you’re a monster, you know you fucked up
I just love your acting on both sides. The southern general is so funny.
Johnny Reb is Franz Joseph I in disguise replacing Johnny since he fell ill.
there are MANY MANY MANY towns in the south that were wiped off a map thanks to General Sherman. Lexington, SC was too, a lodge in downtown Lexington still has some rocks from the original lodge, which are most likely the only remnants of the original Lexington, SC still in existence, all because of General Sherman
Good. The rich and idle of the traitor states helped pay for many towns and settlements in Africa being destroyed. I have no pity.
Sherman and Sheridan took what they learned in there total war on the South and apllied it ti the Noble Red Man on the plains.
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These people either think that Sherman was literally the Devil or they severely underestimate how brutal the Axis powers were to POW's and civilians alike.
Just look how many people in Greece died from starvation when under nazi Italian occupation and then keep in mind that the Japanese were 100 times worse
Crazy talk indeed. I'm guessing your time at school in NC may have been somewhat like mine in the Army for 24 years--listening to the endless drivel about states rights, Lee was the greatest (fighting laughter), Northern aggression, evil Sherman, blah, blah, blah.
There is an apocryphal story of an Army LT from the North speeding down I-185 on his way to Airborne School, and getting pulled over by a GA State Trooper, who asks him, "Son, you have any idea how fast you were going?" To which he responds, "Not as fast as Sherman went through here." And supposedly being put in lock-up. I like to think that, sometime, somewhere, that zinger was uttered for real.
If you try to compare anything to the axis powers in ww2 in any discussion besides genuine historical reasearch you've already lost my respect
Don't say at the beginning of the video that the march did in fact have negatives to it and then flip your argument at the end.
Atun shei is role playing as 2 different people (Johnny Reb who brings up a lost cause argument , and Billy Yank who goes against the argument made)
I just realized that when he does these he can’t do anymore until 4 weeks later when his beard properly grows back. And when he is shooting the reb stuff he can’t go back and shoot any extra union stuff because he already shaved his chin lol.
He did cause 100millions dollars at the time in property damage
Oh no, those plantations holding thousands of slaves got burnt down. Let me play you a song on the world’s smallest violin.
“and what the Japanese did to…Everyone.” Lol
Does marching POWs onto land mines count as a war crime?
Nothing tops unit 731. Im sorry, but Ive never seen anything in history, save perhaps King Basil of the Byzantines that outdoes the sheer cruelty for the sake of cruelty that was systematically enacted on any population. You could argue that the actions and behavior patterns of uday hussein are a little worse, as he was taking the individual initiative to do these things, without a group mentality of brutality to push him on, but the sheer scale of imerial Japanese atrocity overshadowed it, when I was studying.
Well he did say ' war is hell ' at least he wasn't lying ! 👍🔵🇺🇲. Go blue
Knock off Charlie day
Ok but in another one of your videos you mentioned that it didn’t take many months after it became clear how much the south intended to fight for the northerners to develop deep hatred for them. So what about then.
no, on paper yes, but empirically and theoretically fair treatment for any civilians on any side would be, and was bad.
There are cases in oklahoma, where confederates took over homes, and cases on Kentucky where federals took over homes.
But the American civil war cannot be compared to a degenerated and primitive European world war, which talking about operation barbarosa in the area of the feudal orthodox church and serfdom, where armies had no logistics competence or supplies, and no moral rules.
What did those solders do after the war to the American Indians?
Why are you trying to deflect the argument? This isn’t about Manifest Destiny, this is about the Civil War.
What did those solders do after the war to the American Indians?
This video is propaganda trying to make it seem like the Union was some kind of benevolent force when in fact they were Genocidal Colonizers who went on to commit horrible acts of violence in order to expand the borders of your country.
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Where did he get the confederate uniform, it looks a VMI Overcoat
Andersonville. Just sayin'...
“There’s no evidence of his crimes.”
“Hey where did all these small southern towns go? It’s like they disappeared or something…”
Wow...the confederates were deifinitely no saints but it is disturbing how many of my fellow northerners would say Sherman was too soft. Also Sherman was even worse to Native Americans.
(1860) White southern conservatives committed treason and formed the confederacy to preserve African slavery and white supremacy.
(1865) White southern conservatives make up the KKK.
(1865-1890) White southern conservatives make up black codes.
(1877) Poll tax, literacy tests and registration referral is instituted across the south to disenfranchise black voters *(Georgia)* The term “grandfathered” is first used, exempting whites from all of this.
(1883) Civil Rights Cases, Supreme Court votes (8-1) the Civil Rights Act of 1875 unconstitutional, ruling that the 14th Amendment only applied to state actions, not private individuals or businesses, leading to the legitimization of racial segregation and the establishment of Jim Crow laws in the South.
(1884) Black citizens are barred from juries *(Mississippi)*
(1896) Plessy vs. Ferguson Supreme Court case upheld the constitutionality of racial segregation under the "separate but equal" doctrine, legitimizing the Jim Crow laws *(Louisiana)*
(1896-1968) White southern conservatives make up Jim Crow laws.
(1954) Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court case overturned Plessy vs. Ferguson, ruling that racial segregation in public schools was unconstitutional *(Kansas)*
(1954-1968) White southern conservatives oppose civil rights.
(1957) Little Rock Nine incident, *Arkansas* Governor resists federal law by activating the national guard to keep black students out. President Eisenhower directs the 101st Airborne to enforce and oversee desegregation.
(1967-2023) White southern conservatives oppose interracial marriages.
(2001-2013) White southern conservatives oppose gay marriage.
(2023) Diversity, Equality, and Inclusion (DEI) is opposed by white southern conservatives.
We’ll never forget that Confederates are traitors and white supremacists 🇺🇸
@@zenever0 dont spread had against conservatives
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 you mean white supremacists
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I love how he shaves for this! ^-^
General Yamashita would like a word, he got hung for the actions of his armies in WW2 in Singapore and Philippines despite the UN admitting he didn't know or order the crimes. Hes a war criminal, therefore Sherman is equally guilty if any of his men commited crimes. Just because hes "on the good guys team" doesn't mean shit. Compared to other trials, hes equally as guilty.
The bigger issue is that the entire scale is MASSIVELY different. So of course, Sherman is a war criminal.
But obviously the South did the same, so uh... Both bad, but ones clearly worse.
What an incredibly uneven comparison. Putting aside the timeline, choosing the Japanese war crime trails is a real... Uh... *interesting choice* ... considering the Members of the imperial family who directly ordered war crimes to be committed were *let off scot free. No punishment whatsoever. One of the terms of the peace deal.*
So yeah, sometimes people do get executed for things their men did without order. And sometimes the people who are punished are coached to make sure they don't incriminate the emperor or his family. Sometimes the crimes committed by unit 731 are covered up in exchange for America getting the results of their """"research"""". Sometimes, a country is more focused on making sure they keep the peace than any form of justice.
The Japanese war crime trails were a god damn sham. Using them as the basis for a comparison would be funny if it wasn't so dumb.
@@caelodevorago608 all I'm saying is some consistency is needed, all sides and times.
@@prophetofthe8th consistency is impossible as long as people are people. There is no leverage to convict those in true power without massive support. The only ones who could convict the winner of a war are those who are massively more powerful then them or by ones allies, which is shooting yourself in the foot.
Yashamita did issue orders for mass executions read the transcripts and evidence very few Japanese or Germans were tried for their war crimes get a grip.
I know he is a racist monster, but I'd watch the shit out of a Johnny Rebel daily talk-show, he is so likable.
Shermans march to the sea was more llike how the germans themselves did in germany in 1944 and 1945. It was 1/100 of the brutality of barbarossa. And japan was worse than even the ss.
Yo, yo, this is shockingly ironically, real. Check out that time. and earlier in Tibet Mind-blowing way worse.
Is this a case of "History being written by the Victors"
Literally false
It took 70 years to rebuild the South after the war. Literally, every major city was put to the torch. Lincoln's "at any cost" measures were a foundation of why the North won the war. The victors always erase their evil and highlight the enemy's, that is true of every war. For instance, things like unit 731 and POW stories are highlighted to show Japan's evil, but the fact that more innocent civilians were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki's nuking than every victim of Japanese POW camps and special units is carefully ignored. Or like how in this clip how "Sherman's awful treatment of civilians" was supposed to be returned to, however it wasn't. But that's where the similarities end. "As bad as" doesn't mean "identical to", bc occupying foreign nations and civil wars have different methods and campaigns. Plus, cameras and video technology make it harder to hide such activities in modern wars. The only "proof" we have of Napoleon's tactics, Khan's methods and Islamic butcherings are the stories claimed by the survivors, and every testimony given by Southern survivors indicates that there was a MASSIVE amount of looting, raping, murdering and burning. Funny how every victim of an assault today is supposed to be believed, but when that coin is flipped no responsibility is ever taken. It's understandable, however. Just like the war with Japan, the civil war would've waged for another 7 or 8 years without the looting, raping and pillaging. Nuking cities full of women and children forced Emporer Hirohito to surrender, just like how the atrocities of Sherman's march forced the south to end the war. But the denial of doing so is just another atrocity itself.
This is white supremacy disinformation. The state of Georgia itself says that only 20 civilians were killed in the Siege of Atlanta
You are also ignoring the fact that MAGA is also misogynistic
What does this have anything to do with MAGA?
Can we plz talk about what happens in North Carolina where he lost control of his troops just wanting a fair shot here I had family on both sides
He did in the video where things get to be more then a minute long
WTF I hate Sherman now!
How does he have a beard and mutton chops every video
From stories in the Union Slave states there were definitely both Union and even more so Confederate soldiers burning houses and plantations. However, it was more like a bleeding Kansas Situation and was not endorsed by the Union higher ups.
Sherman’s Total war strategy is more akin to dropping bombs on civilian targets that hold military objectives like in WWI & WWII or even current day Israel attacks on Hamas Targets in Gaza. It was not the same as the Japanese, Nazi, or Hamas atrocities which purposely targeted civilians regardless of their military importance and mass kidnapping & r*ping of said civilian, and in the case of Japanese and Nazi using them as slave labor and in extremely inhumane experiments. Sherman never did such thing.
You almost made it through but had to claim Israel is being careful with Gaza. The IDF has destroyed hospitals and refugee camps. That is not surgical. That is not appropriate. It's targeting civilians the way they always have. Go research this instead of only taking what the mainstream wants you to think.
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I love how in comparing Sherman to the Nazis, he only mentions Russia as if that's the only place they were awful. Makes me wonder if that loss causer is also a holocaust denier.
That Lost Causer is the strawman created by the presenter.
@@EgilhelmsonIt’s a literal actual comment, it’s not a straw man. It’s an actual, stupid persons, comment.
@Egilhelmson you either don't know what a straw man is, or you have a reason to lie. Which one is it? Cuz he shows the argument being presented, which is the opposite of a straw man.
If you look real close, you'll see that the individual he appears to be debating history with is actually himself, wearing a different costume and reciting his lines in an exaggerated manner meant to come off as clownish. So we can't know if this individual is also a holocaust denier absent a further episode where holocaust denial is set up to be knocked down in the fiction of this pantomimed debate. This is how real, serious history is done.
I agree with most of your videos, but this one is false. Sherman's march obliterated the South's economy for almost a century in some areas, and it is well documented that he burnt towns and cities to the ground out of spite instead of necessity. Comparison to any World War is ridiculous of course. But Sherman's march was evil, and did untold unnecessary damage to the South. It should've never happened.
What you’re sharing is white supremacy disinformation.
The 1st Alabama Calvary USV spearheaded Sherman’s March through Atlanta.
I love this channel I really do but what got me so confused about it IS THAT DOES THIS GUY HAVE A TWIN OR DOES HE KEEP SHAVING HIS FREAKING BEARD OR UNLESS HE HAS A FAKE BEARD OR SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALL THE SAME PERSON