HOW TO: DODGE 360 MAGNUM CAM UPGRADE-WHAT'S IT WORTH?
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- HOW MUCH POWER AND TORQUE IS CAM UPGRADE WORTH? WHAT IS THE BEST CAM FOR YOUR DAILY DRIVER 360 MOPAR, AND HOW MUCH EXTRA TORQUE CAN YOU GET WITH THE RIGHT CAM SWAP? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO WHERE I REPLACED THE STOCK 360 MAGNUM (TRUCK) CAM WITH A MILD CAM FROM COMP CAMS ON A 360 MAGNUM CRATE MOTOR FROM MOPAR PERFORMANCE. CAN A CAM SWAP ADD EXTRA LOW-SPEED TORQUE TO THE 360? HOW MUCH EXTRA HP DO YOU GET? CHECK OUT THE FULL DYNO RESULTS ON THE BACK TO BACK CAM SWAP!
Is like to see a stock 360 magnum with a cam upgrade , and not one with a aftermarket intake and carb , try with the kegger and fuel injection.. some of us out here ain't trying to race our trucks .
A modified Kegger and throttle body with Tri-Y headers is a huge jump in torque. Port the throat, guide bosses and pushrod pinch and a 5.2 will surprise you, even with the stock cam and 9:1 compression. An SCT Tune is a must.
I'm luvin this Dodge Magnum series!!!!!
Right, getting ready to build a new Magnum for my Durango
Such a overlooked motor for sure I've got almost all small block Mopar so it's interesting to see how much they'll do 😂
ME TOO
Most Non-LA 360’s are fuel injected, I realize this was a crate motor. It would be nice to see these additions with FI.
The 480 lift single pattern has long been in my opinion the ideal 360 cam. Gobs of torque, beautiful inclining power curve, mild cams are the ones that give you decades off reliability. Love it. Can wait to put a .480 lift single pattern cam in my 360 LA
Richard I'd love to see you take a v10 dodge magnum vs the Ford v10 triton, them do cam and head work to them and turbos amd see what they will take
That would be a fun one. Never heard a hot v10 Ford before. Only the viper motors.
Same here!
YES!!!!!
More please. This is awesome. Dakota rt. Owner here
Love this series. The magnum is dirt cheap power for Dodges and is a really resilient engine package.
Honestly, really impressed with the gains, especially with the stock heads. Really interested to see what it’ll do with heads and boost. Also interested to see how all this works with the efi and the Kegger manifold
DONE AND DONE
@@BuzzLOLOL a modded kegger intake would work on that combo. It worked on my all stock 360 with headers. I noticed a nice gain in the upper RPM even with the piss poor stock cam. The cam he tested is the cam that I was already considering. That's a nice power increase that I will very much like in my truck.
@@richardholdener1727 The gains are impressive, but we need to see what happens with the biggest mutha thumpr cam you can find. Us mopar fans need to know!
@@texasgladiator4757 it's ridiculously how often they upgraded a cam to only use a laughable small cam for being aftermarket. It's like people are scared to run a big cam.
@@TheBb6prelude people do big cam test all the time. The internet is FULL of those vids. It's good to see test like this for the smaller end of the spectrum. Daily driver/performance.
lot more HP than I thought it would be... impressive gains for no bigger a bumpstick than that is!
I’m ready to hear the numbers!!!
Edit: wow, that mild Cam made some serious power😶
I'm loving this magnum series
Just got a 2000 dakota r/t love the series it's giving me tons of ideas to make the 360 faster.
Yeah MORE MOPAR MAGNUM TEST!!!!!!
I would have loved to see what the cam change would do with the stock Dodge fuel injection/ beer keg !
And go up with a bigger cam !
I just bought this same profile in a 112 LSA for a 377 stroker SBC I’m building for my C20. Wanted something nice and fat in the midrange with plenty of torque, but that would idle well, be reasonably efficient, and not piss off the neighbors too badly at 4:00AM when I leave for work. I feel like this is gonna be a great combo, thanks for the vid and idle clip!
Still loving these Magnum videos!!! Thank you Richard!!!
How about a 380 hp Magnum cam vs from similar specs from Comp, Hughes, etc? MP Dual Plane vs Single Plane? I'd be surprised if Dulcich didn't have an RPM Air Gap for a Magnum also. As usual, very informative, but me being a greedy ol' Mopar guy would like to see what somebody would put one of these in a hot roddy type of Dart, Duster, etc. Thanks Richard!
Theres plenty of magnums going in those types. I have the 5.2 magnum fuel Injection in my 74 dart
I'd like to see how something around 224/230 or 230/234 would do with the same setup.
Richard, you are just unbelievable. Where do you take the time for all this awesome content?! Love it!
I'm so happy the Magnum is finally getting some AFM love.
So glad that you're doing the five nine Magnum I love this channel thanks for your support
Thanks for doing this i have a 5.9 in my van that i dont use for van things anymore, gonna drop it and have some fun and i know the motor has so much more potential
you should do some modified kegger tests
So you said you wanted an idea how about a Dodge 360. With a twincharger setup? That should be really interesting
Hmmm.. happen to have that exact cam waiting to go in a 5.2 magnum. Getting new heads, that cam, duel plain intake, a holly 600, and mopar ignition. Maybe it will run pretty good lol
yes I want that for my 98 ram 5.2 lol where do you order your parts from for your build?
Nice test! Good to see the Mopar pick up 48 hp from a cam swap. 2.5 hp per degree of effective duration. Would it make another 20 hp if you added another 8 degrees duration?
They’re really a good little engine. There’s so much potential to them
It would be awesome to see an "apples to apples" comparison between a Mopar 440 and a Mopar 451. See if all the 451 hype is worth it.
Mmm fruit
Bigger piston, bigger stroke, more stable cylinders. Better engine
for the price? no. in a physics sense? yes.
Skip the 451, put a 512 kit in it. You will never look back!
@Cj Bert Would be cool but I need something little better than 3 to 5 mpg. Yes I know get a Prius, these aren’t for mpg I know but that’ll break the bank
Excellent video Richard. I’ve always thought that the MOPAR 360 was underrated, especially here in Australia.
Cheers & stay safe guys😊
You tell em Hamster!
Hey Richard , big fan .
Im building a 5.9 mag with 506 lift comp cam , mild porting and 0.027 head gaskets , dual plane and 750 cfm in a 3300 lb car .
Ok I have a few 5.9 magnums.. so a cam will take me to 350 hp. Basically... I have mopars M1 air gap. Mopar's performance computer.... their over the counter converter (2300). So clean up some stock heads... or get so good aluminum heads.. could easily hit 375 hp....oh wait there that freshened 408 short block.......400 hp. Is possible.... but I'll be hanging on to see the rest of this great professor brings out.... thanks Richard...
With aluminum heads, a cam, and manifolds, you'd probably be north of 500. Especially if you're running it all with a 408 stroker kit.
Where can I get the mopar performance computer? Wanna do mods for my 99 ram 1500
Yes you can tune that high rpm lean spot out. You have to change the emulsion tube.
Please do more cam testing on the 5.9 and other mods to make more power.
Iv got the 20-476-9 in my RT Dakota mine is making 288hp and 336tq at the tires idk how that compares to the engine Dyno. Enjoying the magnum content
With a 15% drivetrain loss your at about 330 at the crank
@@Matp345 that's probably about right
That’s not much of a gain especially when the stock horsepower is what 250 or 255
@@jl456 stock a 5.9 puts down between 195-220 to the tires.
That cam would make for a great street driver in my 96 Ram SST. I've been considering that cam for sometime and expected that it would make those numbers. My motor is stock with headers, enhanced throttle body and modded kegger. I with the kegger port mods along with an improved belly pan from Hughes Engines for possible future blower plans. I did notice much easier breathing past 3k RPM. That cam, along with shaving the heads twenty thousandths for a compression increase should go nice! Or skip shaving the heads and instead add a centrifugal.
I love seeing these magnum making good power!
You can tune that with a higher end carb. Air bleeds in the secondaries can fine tune the top end.
EVEN BLEEDS USUALLY ADDS FUEL EVERYWHERE
Great video! This is my power limiter at the moment..I've maxed out on tricks without going in there. These cams are expensive!
Oregon Cam Grinding will do a high performance regrind on your original cam core.
Loving this series Richard! Would love to see what the Magnum would do with a bigger cam and a good high rise dual-plane intake!
Love to see a build where they keep the factory cam and increase the hp throughout the rpm range adding 50 hp just at the top end isn't really useful unless you drive around at 6,000 rpm
Does that cam work with fully stock lifters, retainers, and springs?
I have several 360 magnum engines going into cars, thanks for this very informative video.
Hey Richard! I really enjoy the testing you do. I'd really like to see you build the 360 with 1968 340 heads, cam and manifolds to compare how the differences between the 340 & 360 short blocks affect power. I'd also be interested in seeing how much power a mopar 383 would have made if they made a 383 Max Wedge.
Maybe auto vs '68 340 4-Speed cam, AVS vs Thermoquad, too. Most of us mear mortals can't/won't pop for a 6 Pack setup.
@@hendo337 the "Hoover Motor" used W/2 heads so it punched way above it weight!
@@hendo337 you can't put a 360 crank into a 340
@@Welcometofacsistube i saw some main spacers to do so. dont know where though.
@@Welcometofacsistube yep, you cut the mains down.
When are we going to see the turbo Magnum build?
What about taking a stock and freshly rebuilt magnum and installing comp cams Xtreme Energy 20-745-9 cam? How much power am I gaining? It's in a 1995 dodge 2500 4wd club cab long bed. The engine has heads that flow a little more than stock and I'm running shorty headers too into a 3 inch straight pipe.
Glad to see ya doin' some old school Mopar stuff again. Did you ever get back to the 292 Chevy, Slant 6, 455 Buick, and other Other Guys?
when you have your camera on the screen like this, you should turn off auto focus. your camera is hunting for focus, hence the pulsating you're seeing in parts of the video. Love the stuff!!
I'd like to see this with a Fi Air gap intake manifold from Hughes!
I put one those on my 96 Dak. Besides being able to see the distributor again, I think it really woke my stock motor up. It rev's quicker and just wants to go. Just yanked out to replace with a 5.9 and bigger cam.
Thanks for the Mopar dyno runs.....I've always been interested in how the 340-360 would fair against the 327-350 Chiev and the 347-351 Fords. I've used Comp Cams a lot and like the gradations that the cams come in.....seems like I could always find some cam to fill the bill in terms of what I was building.
I like where that engine makes torque!
Not a dodge guy but I like that you are doing more than just Chevy stuff. In my area an older dodge truck is way cheaper than a Chevy and if you want a really cheap truck, its an option
I’d really like to see how far you can go with the 360
How about showing us the comparison of ported iron heads using the old Mopar performance templates (you'll have to make your own) vs stock!?!
Is there something in my coffee, or is the screen focus actually pulsing?
Hope you do a 8100 Vortec soon!
Great vids keep'em coming 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I have a similar combo in my Ramcharger. M1, Edelbrock 650 off road carb, no spacer. Hughes 208/214 .512/.520 112lsa. Thorley Tri-Y headers. I’m going to try the spacer.
hey i want see these 5.9 short block with another heads and another intake dude and a better cam.... cheers from venezuela.
WOW, 50 hp increase is sure noticeable, cam designers now sure know their job! I remember when idiots took a stock GTO with a 400 and powerglide or 3 speed auto and throw an 850 Holley on expecting big increase and all they got was a BOGGGGGGGG.
That 360 would be a big improvement over an old stock 340 in a Dart or Demon
I know this is old but can you please do a 5.2 magnum? They get no love and is a great little small block thank you
JOHN CARTER
I have always considered factory performance cams good enough for daily driving. This cam is still smaller then the daily driven cams available from chrysler. I would consider the 340 to also be a daily driven format in its day. And they have a bigger cam. I think this is even smaller then the little red express 360. (Ill double check). Point being. The 360 crate engines came with port layouts similar if not exactly the same as the "J" heads. A square hp/torque curve is what these power plants are know for and have been proven capable to me personally . 400hp/400 torque is the optimal daily numbers for the 360sb. The 224/228 .480 lift ta cam works perfect with the rest of the same components in this build.
Richard, does this cam also work for a 5.2? Nice video btw!
yes
@@richardholdener1727 thanks. Looks like the 5.2 and 5.9 are pretty interchangeable on most parts then?
Thank you for the Dodge content!! These Mopar small blocks are often overlooked, but they are torque monsters. I have one in my Duster. Love it! So what would happen with even more cam? Also are those lift numbers taking in consideration that Magnums have 1.6:1 rocker arms from factory? Keeping in mind the LA engines were shaft mounted rockers at 1.5:1 ratio. Just wondering!
Hey there love the videos,is this the same 5.9 like I have in my 01' Dakota R/T?
yes
Can u make a playlist with all the magnum vids. Please it’s hard to keep track. I’d really appreciate it man.
yes
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since you always say that the heads are the most important, i would like to see the headwork done first, then add the cam ans see what its really worth over stock
I miss my 4.7L magnum V8 it was a beast 01 Durango with four wheel drive
More than I was expecting. Now to find an old Valiant with a 3.55 8 3/4 rear and have some fun. Or better yet, put it in your Nova Richard, and you can get the bowtie and the Mopar guys all wound up! Maybe some blue oval guys too! There will be riots in the streets.
Hey Rich, Love to see a 340 cam in a 318 with headers and 750 carb, thinking about doing this, want power and reliability...
You can tailor that a/f curve by changing emulsion bleed hole sizes in the metering blocks. It does take a lot of experimenting with sizes and placement to get it correct though so not easy.
You should do some 3800 series 2 testing
Love the content, but man I really wish it still had the factory injection on it. Any chance of it going back on for more testing?
lots of kegger testing coming
Yes! You’re the best!,
Do a 380 Magnum and see what you can get over stock!!
Great series! Any chance of an Edelbrock top end? RPM heads and Air Gap intake?
Id like to see ported dual plain vs non .. I think i know what would happen but id love to see if im right .wonder if any how much low end would be lossed vs high end gained
Good video, finally just a cam test and not cam heads and intake for people with big bucks , like to see this
Test on a Ford engine
So what all had to be done to the heads for the added lift?? I was always under the impression that the magnum heads had a similar scenario as the Chevy vortec heads when it came to added valve lift?? Factory install height of 1.7?
Nothing has to be done other than valve springs, i have a hughes engine steamroller cam with a .523/.533 lift.
Were you able to run stock springs with this can camshaft, or did you have try use aftermarket? Thanks, and love this Magnum series!
this motor had spring upgrade
this is good stuff!💪 this should kind help me figure out my can options for my 360 magnum 408 stroker engine.
What is the part number for the adapter to run an LA cam in a Dodge Magnum adapter does away with the fuel pump eccentric takes up the space do you know the part number
Keep the great videos coming richard! Love'em
Imagine this engine with the TrickFlow W2 style aluminum head…. It would run all the way to 6k
Hi Richard, I'm newbie to the website but I'm not new to the otto cycle engine My father taught me theory and principle way back in 67. Why don't you test old school stuff like putting the pistons in backwards to take advantage of major thrust friction reduction thru wristpin offset. Also the 484 284 purpleshaft cam works better with the stock heads.I really admire the way that you do the tests .Thank You and keep up the good work.
piston flip is planned
I think the stock cam was great for low speed torque, IE towing and such
Can you make a video on a 5.2 magnum
Love this magnum stuff
When you gonna fool with plopping W2 heads on a Magnum shortblock?
And will it function with the factory electronics and intake system?
yes with tuning
do you think a cam like this would have a similar effect on a stock non crate 5.9 out of a Dakota R/T without any kind of heads headers etc? if so that could be a decently cheap way to fix it falling over up top
That is a cool motor, love ir
Excellent science…. I wish that a fuel mileage pull could be obtained….
Hard to find i know...but if you can get ahold of a m1 single plane do so and try it....
we did-it does not work well
Can you do a test where you make the magnum motor have higher top end power and tq and try and keep the power and TQ curves going up instead of being more like a caddi 500 with no top end.
THE TQ CURVE CAN'T CLIMB INDEFINITELY
I'd be curious how far in the hole the stock pistons are in those blocks when you start doing head upgrades. The 11:1 block I just finished was 0.051, I need to check the block that came out of the truck yet though to see how much it is.
@@BuzzLOLOL forged Wiseco flat-tops. Why?
@@BuzzLOLOL I believe 1.605 for stock and 1.655 or 1.665 for the Wiseco but I’m going off memory so don’t hold that as no joke fact
@@BuzzLOLOL welcome to an engine barely updated since the 60s
@@BuzzLOLOL just checked the block that came out of the truck and it’s right there at 0.051-0.052 but I’ve heard of it being anywhere from 0.02-0.1
@@BuzzLOLOL mileage wasn't much better on the magnums, I had one and got 11 in town and 13.5 on the highway. 99 Quad Cab 4x4
My poor 2000 360 is beat. Needing a rebuild at 378k miles. Might throw in a different cam.
It would be awesome if you could run a Hughes cam in comparison. In my experience they make much better power over comp. Those cams are designed for mopar which comps are pretty much built of chevy.
all comp cams are built as chevy cams?
@@richardholdener1727 I was told their Chrysler cams are specced off chevy with the exception of the purple cams. I could be 100% wrong. This info came from the guys at Hughes.
What about the valve springs? Did you change those? Are they stock valve springs or are they performance springs?
I want to know this, too.
Well it can't be a true Holdner test unless you use the weakest stock spring in existence and put a aftermarket cam in and then explain why it nose dives at 5000rpm.
Springs Unknown - story was Dulcich had this motor with a big cam in it at one time a dozen years or so back, so I doubt they got changed back to stock.
Stock beehive springs are weak. Only good for the stock cam. These springs look straight. And upgrade springs usually need machining to go in.
NOT STOCK SPRINGS
Thanks Richard!
This no stock engine magnums come with you injection in the throttle body that is carburetor which means the heads been swamped to
the heads and rest of the motor are stock 360 Magum (the carb intake is for the Magnum heads.
Can you set up links for the parts?