The "gap" between the Bug type and the rest of them is not necessarilly the fault of the Bug type itself, it's more of a Bug pokemon issue. They all have BSTs at or below 500, no great abilities or exceptional moves. On paper Bug resists Ground, at least.
BTW, Psychic is the light type. Or rather radiation type: - All the cosmic pokemon are Psychic types - Unowns, which are believed to be inspired by Hiroshima victims, are Psychic types - Mewtwo, which was partially based on nuclear weapons, is a Psychic type.
Sound type is not gonna be a thing simply because sound is a move category. It's a completely separate thing, like powder moves, moves, contact moves, etc. Thinking of sound as a potential type is as ridiculous as waiting for Punching or Sleep Inducing type.
Your opinion on the light type “not having enough concepts” is wrong. It can be based off prisms, the colour spectrum, rainbows, abstract light, colour, types of man made lights, the list goes on. A lot of moves would realistically be good light type moves, light screen, dazzling gleam, etc, When the fairy type was added, 22 pokemon gained it. Here’s a list of pokémon that could gain the light type. (I will include pre-evolutions to keep things fair. 1. Chinchou 2. Lanturn 3. Helioptile 4. Heliolisk 5. Cosmog 6. Cosmoem 7. Lunala 8. Solgaleo 9. Necrozma 10. Xurkitree 11. Hattena 12. Hattrem 13. Hatterene 14. Pumpkaboo (It’s based off of a jack o’ lantern, but there have been pokémon that use plants before that aren’t grass type so this could work as such) 15. Gourgeist 16. Scream Tail 17. Iron Thorns 18. Miraidon 19. Voltorb (It explodes, explosions don’t always make fire, but they always make some kind of light unless it’s smoke, they either make light or fire and the explosion animation clearly shows light and zero fire.) 20. Electrode 21. Hisuian Voltorb 22. Hisuian Electrode. Not only have I named concepts, I’ve given existing pokémon the light type and I’ve even given the exact same amount that was added to fairy.
The problem with adding new types is 1. Too many new fan made types are too gimmicky 2. Most type issues can just be reworked 3. Adding a new type will only temporarily solve the issue
@@Castersvarog Sound type isn't the same as normal type, sound would be about vocal, sonar and vibrational part of the Pokémon move pool, Pokémon like bats, dolphins and such would benefit with it, but other Pokémon types like steel or such would suit to matching with it, it would be super effective with water, steel type and such, not very effective then other typing also, not too hard, but I do agree with the OP, we need to sort out the current typings first before adding a new one, even the Stellar type even though not a true typing kinda complicates things tbh
Specially since even if it was a normal type its a type with 2 movws, ine exclusive ti a legebdaey abd onw that always drops your attacking stats and has 0 interactions with the type chart
Pretty much this there's other types like psychic poison and bug that need buffs more than a new type to be added to counter what fairy? Maybe water or steel idk
I dont think theres that much need to be a rebalance to types, most are good and ofc some will be bad, that's what rpg's are for, but some rebalance to types like Bug would be nice
@theamazingspooderman2697 I generally agree with you, although I would argue a slight nerf to steel and fairy would be positive, and a buff to psychic since that type should be powerful.
"Steel would definitely resist Sound" That's crazy, I always think the exact opposite. Put on some layers of steel armor and then stand on a riverbank while a giant vibrating transport ship passes by. When I picture a Metagross getting hit by a Hyper Voice that's been re-typed into a Sound type, I imagine its brains being vibrated to mush (as I'd picture Steel AND Psychic to be weak to it... as well as Electric and Fighting..)
I think Ground should be resist to sound, but then again sound can sometimes travel through the ground, but Rock would be weak against sound if enough vibration could crack rocks tbh, also some sounds associates with ground like earthquakes and such, some ground type moves could change to sound, unless leave ground types alone or some sound types are just ground types tbh, so there's that Also, what about Cyber type? Maybe a glorified Electric type with few of its abilities, resistance and such gets changed or swapped around, so there's that tbh
Totally agree. Steel should b weak to Sound. IMO, Sound should only be super effective against Steel. Resist Water and Rock, cuz it can travel easily thru water and break rocks( but Rock absolutely doesn't need nother weakness). Be resisted by Ground and Dragon.
Nuclear was Uranium's gimmick. In exchange for all Nuclear-types being weak to all types except Nuclear, the type beat every other type in the game except for itself... and Steel. All it did was require you to bring a Steel-type with you during the campaign. If they want to factor in concepts like ionising radiation or gamma rays then they should probably just make it Poison-type.
I think a big part of the argument as to why fairy can be considered the best type is that firstly, poison and steel types are still not the best types offensively. Fairy is the only relevant type steel and poison hit for super effective damage. This leads into my second point that steel itself is much worse offensively than fairy. Again, fairy is the only relevant type that steel hits for super effective damage while fairy hits the important types of dragon, dark, and fighting. Moonblast is considered one of the most spammable moves in the game for a reason
To be fair, moonblast is a stupid move in general. 95 power instead of the standard 90, wide distribution, and for some reason iirc its drop chance is 30%. Compare that to play rough, which is weaker, has worse accuracy and its chance to drop attack is 10%. Moonblast is a stupid move even without fairy being broken.
Starting out my friend ran a lot of sand storm/steel teams and they used to be a menace but eventually yah u realize Water and fire are probably the 2 best typings. I think fairy/ghost are up there too but yah steel has to be one of the best types but it has its weakness not as tough to counter as some niche ones like electric that have 1 counter typing they can negate list goes on and on fire, ground, fighting most likely water hits pretty good it doesn’t have as many resistances as you think it’s honestly just poison resistant and elemental but there’s a lotta 2X weakness that can die to stab hits like nothing if ur not carful doesn’t matter the stats with steel so yah it isn’t as good as I thought just having base stats was the only thing keeping it afloat the typing is a mixed bag
6:00 Ground is the most unbalanced type alongside steel change my mind 99% of ground types can just spam earthquake with literal 0 consequences unless you have a flying type. The fact you have to often consider a ground type counter in water and ice monotypes despite being in advantage to it speaks for itself.
That's not really an unbalance in the type CHART though, more so an imbalance in the mons who ARE ground type (with their movepools), which is a somewhat different discussion. They could just pull back on who learns Earthquake in Gen 10 like they did with Scald in Gen 9.
You say you can't see Sound being super effective against Steel, but we must remember that sound, as a mechanical wave, propagates faster the denser the medium is, (that's why you can make the yoghurts on a string toy to communicate as a kid) so I can perfectly see a case being made as to why sound could beat steel no issue
And sound would probably beat rock and water and ice for the same reasons. And it would beat fire because sound powered fire extinguishing robots are a thing.
Maybe that might be true, but like he said it's harder to make that relation easily comprehensive. I'm too small brain to understand what you said, but I can see why water does more damage to fire. Especially for the intended audience, kids won't understand all that sciency jazz.
@sonicbladex12 sound travels faster through solid objects. If you stand on train tracks you'll feel it vibrate long before you hear a train. Same reason a light tap on metal cables produces a loud laser sound.
(5:54-6:40) As a competitive player, let me correct you why Fairy is seen as broken. - Steel may have more defensive resistances, but offensively it isn't strong, especially their secondary effects, also their accuracy aren't always the best. - Water is know for being tanky, but it has no immunities... Water also doesn't have good secondary effects... other than Scald which was nerfed in distribution... there's also ways to reduce it's power with abilities and weather. - Fire is also great, one of my faves, but there's ways to reduce their Fire power with abilities, and weather. Now let's look at Fairy... their accuracy doesn't suck, the worst one is Play Rough at 90%... and there's no real way to reduce their attacks. Let's look at some other moves shall we... - Baby Doll Eyes: Lowers attack; has priority 1 - Dazzling Gleam: Base 80 spread move, that doesn't miss. - Decorate: Increases attack and sp.attack by 2 stages, bypasses your allies Protect, and Detect - Draining Kiss: Base 50 attack but steals 75% HP back - Moonblast: Base 95 after the universal 95>90 nerf... it has a 30% chance to reduce sp.attack unlike the common 10% - Play Rough: Base 90 with 90% accuracy with a 10% chance to reduce attack. (fairest Fairy move) - Spirit Break: signature move yes, but always reduces sp.attack on a relevant DOU Pokemon And this is just a few... not to mention Misty Explosion and Strange Steam... other decent moves.
I mean from a competitive standpoint specifically... BDE: Bad move. Dazzling Gleam: Is pretty weak with no secondary effect. Sure it's a spread move... but it's an 80 power spread move. Decorate: Is only on Alcremie, which is a bad Pokemon. Draining Kiss: Is only really good on Triage Comfey in lower single tiers tiers, otherwise it's a bad move. Moonblast: Is a REALLY good move. Play Rough: Generally balanced. A lot of mons that want this move don't even have it. Spirit Break: Is only on 2 Pokemon, both of which could completely live without it. Moonblast is arguably the only fairy move that is in any way broken that isn't a legendary signature move.
@@Nuclearstomp You can make this argument for literally any type/Pokemon, however it's the fact that it's not easily resisted... or way to completely be immune to it. The only type combinations that can really stop it... Steel/Fire and Poison/Fire... which is only 2 Pokemon... oh I also forgot to mention Fairy indirectly gets tankier because the most common side effect is nerfing a type of attack.
@@LuDogg805 I'm just saying the moves specifically aren't the issue. Except maybe moonblast since it's so strong and has distribution to almost all fairies.
It should be noted that Fairy is technically a light type or a magic type. Dragon and Dark also work as magic types, with Dragon being an "Ancient" type and Dark being a "Darkness" type along with being evil.... Psychic also works for light as well because it's also a "cosmic" type due to how so many psychic issues work with cosmos and stars and etc.... And that's the issue with a lot of new types people try to create... they technically already exist as other types.... Even sound.... almost everyone makes sound. It's a normal thing....
Fairy type needed to happen... But I _really_ don't think it was necessary to make them immune. Just a resistance would have sufficed. They tend to do that a lot... Just slap on an immunity for the type they're trying to nerf (they did it with dark type too). Also, we just don't need a "light type" when fairy already exists. Its basically the same thing.
@@sabercat5490 Like what? What "theming" could Light type possibly have? A light bulb Pokemon? Electric type. A heavenly angel Pokemon? Fairy or Flying. The opposite of dark type and the emodiment of good? Fairy again. The sun? Fire type. The moon? Fairy or Dark. Light magic? Psychic or Fairy. Ultra Necrozma??? Well okay sure you got me there... Jokes aside, there is nothing a light type could do for theming that can't already be done better by other types. Ultra Necrozma (literally the embodiment of light) is basically the only instance where Light Type would work better than anything else. And when referencing light itself is your only "theming" that doesn't open up many options for new Pokemon designs.
@@lasercraft32 Light can have an aray of themes. You said light magic when in media presents light magic as, for the most part, something linked the holiness and or the heavenly realm or even the church. On top of that the gods and the church in media have always been the antithesis of fae or fairies. Light can be that of nature like you said the sun, which isnt fire but burning gas that is capable of giving off photons that we call light. Light in media is considered one of the elements and is seen as pure. Fairies are not pure. They are caring spirits that take care of nature and everything around them but still cause trouble from time to time. A light bulb mon can be both electic/light type cuz electicity creates light, whereas its not light itself. So basically light type can be the holy type, pure type, the heavenly type, one of the elemental types and the holitically good type.
To add light type can be strong against fairy, dark, ghost and poison but weak to grass and dark. Resisted by fire, electric and ice and steel and water. It could be immune to itself. Light can resist fairy and fighting.
To justify sound type a bit: - Metal amplifies sound very effectively because of reverb. If sound is amplified by steel, it is super effective to steel. - Most bugs cannot hear, you could even argue that they’d be immune to sound type! - Snow is very good at muffling sound, therefore sound would be not very effective to ice. - Fairy? Yeah… no idea. And I worry that nerfing steel types by adding sound types would only make fairy types stronger, which most people don’t want. I think Sound fixes a lot of smaller issues, but it risks creating one giant issue.
Sound beats Fairy because in the year 2024 the public is vocally upset about fairy tales to the point where even Disney movies are constantly accused of having a woke agenda Problem solved
I'm calling it now. Game Freak will probably never add another type, mainly due to balancing reasons, and also because they would need to reapply the new type to older Pokémon and now that there are over 1,000 Pokémon. Yeah I think they're comfortable with the current 18 types.
IN addition, the devs are extremely consistant when it came to adding new types to older mons. They only ever add the new type as a secondary type like with Gardevoir, or completely change their type if they're normal type. You wont see a light type added because The Light trio wont ever drop a type for a different one
I feel like a lot of the new type discussion really boils down to "we want a new type cause we think it would be cool". I don't think we solve much from a balancing perspective if we do bring in a new type especially since a lot of ideas are too abstract or don't actually do much without long reaching harder than Decidueye. The 18 types we have are fine and we should be focusing on ways to make the existing type chart better.
Exactly. I think only a few buffs to Ice and Bug would be enough, personally. Bug should resist Fairy or be super-effective against it, or both. Ice should resist Water and maybe Dragon, and do neutral damage against Fire.
High intensity sound waves are already used in real life to weaken or break metals, so making it SE against Steel makes some sense. The type could be resisted by Ice and Bug, which is also nice.
My problem is why would it be separate from Normal? Normal types along with several other types can use sound attacks but ultimately sound is just a pressure wave and has nothing to it besides that. Heck if anything it's closer to lighting because thunder is a result of thunder heating the air making it rapidly expand.
@@belovedwarrior3192 Why would Rock be separated from Ground? Why is Flying a type and not Wind? Why are some types elements and others kinds of animals? Heck, Sound is distinct enough from Normal that few would question the split. It's far more different from Ground/Rock for instance.
@@Ivashanko Rock's are based off of geodes like Limestone, Sandstone among others. Meanwhile Ground is based off of soil like Sand (which isn't the same but similar to Sandstone) Mud they are meant to be separate because they fall more into a gaseous/liquid state compared to very solid rock types. Flying is used instead of wind so that they can include Pokemon that can create wind by flapping wings but not actually tied to wind like say a wind spirit Pokemon. Sound feels to me that it is neutral and everybody can make a sound whether by their body or by using things like heat. most Pokemon that are sound themed are just really loud. The others are loud because they are using heat or electricity to create their sound. Heck even steel types could be sound because of the different series of metal instruments. So Sound is all over the place which I feel works against Sound instead of helping it. IMO by the way
@@Ivashanko I didn't do that well of a description explaining the differences between rocks and ground. So I looked up what is the difference between rocks and soil and this is what I got in response Composition: Rocks are made of one or more minerals, while soil is formed of fine rock particles mixed with air, water, and organic matter from dead plants and animals. Hardness: Rocks are hard, while soil is loose. Formation: Rocks are formed through geological processes (sedimentary, metamorphic, or igneous), whereas soil is prepared through the disintegration of rocks. Use: Rocks are used for construction (e.g., walls and foundations), while soil is essential for plant growth12
Fairy, and Electric work as light. We don't need it. We also don't need wind, since they combined birds, wind, and air for Flying, so.... there you go.
I think flying is the worst idea for a type. Like why? What about Pokémon that fly but don't have flying type? I think they should split it in wind and bird types.
@@s.m.4479 or just have "air" or "wind" type instead of "flying", at least it would make sense then that the ones flying not thanks to air, but some kind of levitation, would be clearly identified
@@samguercho well if you think about it, most flying types are birds amd ultimately getting rid of flying type will cause a major backlash from the fanbase. So I suggest changing the name from "flying" to "bird", remove the type from non bird mons and add a wind/air type.
Alternatively, Eevee itself is normal type which used to be physical but evolves into what used to be special as said above. So instead of a dragon eeveelution, a new mon who is base dragon (OG special) and evolves into all physical types. Gives one base form and 8 evolutions, just like Eevee.
Maybe I'm trying to make something work out of nothing but if they were to add sound I think it could work as follows: 1. Resisted by bug since they often make sound (as mentioned in video) 2. Super Effective on Steel as the vibrations of sound can cause steel to become weaker/loose. 3. Super Effective against Fairy as since they are associated with fairy tales and sort of dream like situations, a loud sound can wake you up and therefore end the fairy tale. 4. Resisted by Dark as darkness doesn't care if there's sound and in space where it often considered dark, there is little to no sound. I'd also make Electric super effective against Steel and have Rock now also be super effective against Electric. I don't think I'd actually want this, but it's something I could see helping the type issues of everything.
@@alexandresmgc374 Just as a meme: - Poison and Ghost should just be Dark type; - Bug, Flying and Fighting should just be Normal; - Ice should just be Water; - Electric could just be Fire (or combine them into "Energy/Plasma type"); - Psychic could just be Fairy (or even make both of them Normal type); - Plant and Steel could both be part of Earth type; - Dragons could be Dark type. Reducing the type chart to mere 5 types: Fire, Earth, Water, Normal and Dark.
I would say these are the current issues with the Type Chart that are in urgent need of addressing, be it by re-balancing the current type match-ups or by adding a new type: Ice Type: Too many weaknesses and not a single resistance that it can actually make use of. Beforehand it was arguable this was a balancing choice due to their niche of being the only type with a strictly positive match-up against Dragons but even if that were the case, they were still weak back then and that reason is obsolete now that the Fairy Types have taken that niche. If there is a type that needs a defensive buff, it's ice, take away some of its weaknesses and give it some proper resistances for god's sake; Bug Type: Too many Types resist it, that is pretty much it, take away some Types' resistance to Bugs and they would not be top tier but would definitely be infinitely more usable; Poison Type: In a weird situation where it just falls a little bit short in both offensive and defensive properties, it is not terrible in either department, just sorta weak in both; Rock Type: Similar to Ice, too many weaknesses albeit not as bad as it does have some resistances. Another issue unrelated to Type match-ups is also that Rock lacks good moves that are accurate, which is another area it needs a buff in. There are also some types that are far from downright bad but could use a little help, mainly Grass, Psychic and Fighting. Again, none of them are downright bad, if we lived in a world they were the three worst types in the game as they are it would mean the type chart is pretty balanced all things considered.
I have some suggestions. Ice should have been super effective against Water-Types for very obvious reasons. Ice should be able to resist Steel-Type Pokemon as most metal freeze on ice and the harsh cold. Most bugs and most people and normal animals can't survive the cold, I would also make Ice-Type super effective against Bug and Normal-Type Pokemon (which the latter of the two I think needs more weaknesses and types that resist it as it's the most basic type). To make the Ice-Type chart healthier, I would make Ice resist and be resisted by Rock and Fighting-Type Pokemon and making Fire-Types their only weakness. Poison should have been super effective against Bug and Normal-Type Pokemon for pretty obvious reasons. Bug-Types I would take away 2 types that they're super effective against, Grass and Psychic-Type. I would instead make them super effective against Ground, Dark, Ghost and Dragon-Types. Make Bug resist and be resisted by both Grass and Fairy-Types and make them no longer be resisted by Fighting-Types and do neutral damage instead, same thing for the relationship between Bug and Psychic-Type. Rock, where do I start? Rock should have ABSOLUTELY be super effective against Steel-Types because rocks can and will wreck most metal and steel and also can turn metal tools into rust (like ground, dirt and soil do), make them resist and be resisted by Ground and Fighting-Type Pokemon. This makes Pokemon like Diancie no longer having the x4 Steel-Type weakness (making Rock/Fairy-Type be weak to only Water and Grass-Types).
Yeah, ice could use one or more resistance. Ice should resist water (just like water resists ice) and maybe flying? For rock, I wonder if making it immune to fire would work? For bug and grass, make them resist fairy (because fairies don't usually damage nature). Remove the bug resistance for fairy. And if you want to nerf steel a bit, just remove one of its resistances (like they did with Ghost and Dark in gen 6). Dragon maybe?
@saskiaviking9447 Or alternatively make Bug and Fairy-Types Pokemon resist each other since fairies often befriend bugs and some species of bugs are a part of some fairies' diets, and there are bugs that harm fairies as well. Grass and Bug-Types should resist each other instead of the latter be super effective against the former (execpt for Infestation) as some plants eat bugs (fly traps for example) and some insects and bugs help plants and crops rather than damaging them. Rock should resist Fighting and Ice-Types and also be resisted by them at the same time. And also make them super effective against Steel-Types because for similar reasons to why Steel is weak to Ground-Type Pokemon (with the execption of some Steel-Type moves that can resist Rock-Types better than others). Ice-Types should resist Fighting and Rock-Types and resist them back as ice can break rock formations and plently of fighters who can't stand the cold and get frost bites and vice versa. I would make them super effective against Water-Types as ice beats water (with moves that involve hot water cancelling out the weakness, especially Volcanian's signature move) and Normal-Type Pokemon as most normal animals and most normal people can't adapt to the cold. I would make them resist Steel-Type Pokemon instead of be weak to it because most metal freeze and get frost, making them not work properly. Or alternately, make them super effective against Steel-Types for those reasons (only few Steel-Type moves will be able to resist Ice-Types). I would make them super effective against Bug-Type Pokemon because most bugs can't survive the cold. Speaking of Normal-Type Pokemon, I think they should also be weak to Poison-Types as well as Ice and Fighting-Type Pokemon and get resisted by Fire, Water, Dark, Bug and Electric-Types. Fire because fire burns people and animals, dark and Bug since most people are scared of the dark and bugs (instead of making Psychic-Type weak to bugs, why not make them take neutral damage and make them resist Normal-Type Pokemon instead), water as most people can't survive huge waves and are not expert swimners and electric because most people can get strikes with electricity, especially lighting.
The steel problem isnt that big of a deal, it doesn't have incredibly strong moves like draco meteor, ourage, etc and its weaknesses are some of the most common offensive types (earthquake, fire blast, flare blitz, flamethrower)
@@BloodwyrmWildheart Steel Beam is strong...but it's not run a lot of the time due to it's risk of always using up half the user's HP, which always happen if the move misses or get's blocked by protect. So Steel Beam is just too risky to rely on a lot of the time, which is why steel types prefer to stick to Flash Cannon as it's the safer and more consistent option
This doesn't help with balance, but conceptually I'm surprised that more people don't consider separating Flying into Bird and Wind. I guess you can see it as Flying being like Fairy where it's a single concept that can encompass multiple things, but almost every element system in other media has some form of wind. It's always felt weird that Pokemon lumps it in with Flying.
Due to new abilites in Gen 9 wind is already a sub catagory spanning not only Flying but also Fire, Ice, Grass, Ground, Electric and Fairy. Albiet three of them are due to the forces of Nature's New signature moves. Also Flying was originally the bird type before Gamefreak realized that more things than birds fly.
@@ttan7293 Normally I would agree with you, but Bird was actually a scrapped type at one point, presumably before Flying was expanded to include non-bird related options. That being said, it’s not every day when an entire Type gets scrapped, so you’re probably on to something.
Problems with the type chart could pretty easily solved with just a few changes. Make psychic supereffective into steel(with psychic attacks going through steel, or the whole spoon bending thing), make bug resist fairy and psychic and make it neutral into ghost and fairy, and make ice resist water. I think all of these make intuitive sense, at least more than what we have currently, like why the hell does steel resist psychic? At the very least it should be neutral. This is probably the best way to fix the type chart currently. Although… I do think light COULD work as a new type, if only barely. At the very least, light is way better than sound as a new type. First of all, there are ~ thirty lines/individual pokemon that work with the light type while there are max like 25 that work with sound. Not that that is a big difference, but its something. Then, adding sound doesn’t really help the type chart much. I think the best it could do is be weak to bug and good into water, and maybe be weak to ice because of sound traveling less far in the cold? Sound would also basically have to be good into psychic since sound disrupts concentration and psychic already sucks. Light would be better since it could help bug, grass, ice, and rock(and ground) by hitting them for neutral(bugs like light, plants feed on light, ice reflects light, and rocks and ground mute light). Light also doesn’t need to beat dark, you can have light be supereffective against dark and dark be supereffective against light. Ok, but here’s the big thing. Adding sound comes with a bunch of other problems. First of all, it already exists in the game so stuff like throat spray and throat chop would have to either be reworked or removed. Then the problem of moves comes in. What do you do for a move like bug buzz? It already works perfectly as a bug type sound based move. By adding the sound type you would actually be taking something away from the move(either bug or sound). On top of that, you basically completely remove the only strong normal type special moves. Adding light as a type doesn’t come with any big problems like that. Basically all the potential light moves come from different types and could pretty cleanly be transformed into light type. And since light moves don’t exist, there isn’t the problem that sound has with sound based moves. Now to be fair, in order for light to work it would have to embody several ideas, similar to how flying represents literal flight, as well as wind, or how fighting is both martial arts and justice. For light I think this would mean it would represent physical light like xurkitree, as well as divinity like arceus, and general daytime stuff like lycanrock day form. In any case, I would prefer a simple revamp of the type chart, I just wanted to say that sound as a type SUCKS and light is much better.
There is a problem with the Sound type: There are plenty of non-normal sound based moves and all of them, even the normal ones, are not Physical moves, only Special and Status. Non-Normal type includes: Metal Sound Steel, Grass Whistle Grass, Bug Buzz Bug, Snarl Dark, Disarming Voice Fairy, Parting Shot Dark, Sparkling Aria Water, Clanging Scales Dragon, Clangorous Soulblaze Dragon, Clangorous Soul Dragon, Overdrive Electric, Eerie Spell Psychic, Torch Song Fire, Alluring Voice Fairy, Psychic Noise Psychic. What are we going to do with them? And no, don't retcon them and give them the “Flying Press” treatment.
@@robertlupa8273 kind of a strech but i just thought of it and i felt like it could somewhat work idk Mob Call: The user produces a sound that alerts mobs. The mobs attack the opponent. since you arent using sound to hit them but rather using sound to call physical entities that attack the opponent, it can be physical
I think we can give them the flying press treatment but differently. The move shouldn't be fight AND flying but fight OR flying depending of the enemy. That pretty better don't you think ?
Of all the fan-made types that people have come up with, the only two that can stand on their own is the Cosmic type & the Synthetic type, purely because they make logical sense, with extraterrestrial Pokémon and Pokémon made out of cardboard, plastic, paper, 3D polygons, etc. Sound fits perfectly as a property of moves, Light is too similar to Fairy, Mystic is too similar to Psychic, Nuclear is too similar to Poison, and Crystal is too similar to Rock. Plus, with Nuclear & Crystal, we now have Stellar as a type that is basically "Hits every type for at least neutral."
when you think of it, even cosmic and synthetic don't hold up because they can easily be covered by other types. psychic already holds most cosmic pokemon, and if it's not psychic then it's clafairy or an UB/Paradox which are bound to have different types. meanwhile synthetic fits mainly to be spread out between grass, electric, water, steel and poison as differing products are made from such things. cardboard and paper are grass, code and polygons are electric (idk why porigon is no electric type), plastic is easy poison as a pollution mon and i can go on.
Wait! Sound makes so much sense. Think it as vibrations. Just how with perfect frequency sound you can break glass, same as for steel. And whats an earthquake it's vibrations underground between tectonic plates. Energy travels faster via medium with closely packed molecules. Sound Super effective on - Steel, ground, fire, water, electric. Sound resisted by - grass, rock, ice, ghost, bug since they are mostly air and air trapped inside them which is a bad conductor of sound. Types super effective on sound - grass, flying, psychic, bug, rock (they dampen the vibrations or doesn't care) Types not effective on sound - electric ( needs flow of electrons but vibrations acts a resistance) Ghost and ground (water if needed)
@@glaudragonlord1896I think it may be due to the fact ghost hunters tend to use a lot of sound/vibrational based devices in ghost hunting. EMFs monitor for changes in the electromagnetic frequency which is just a type of frequency similar in vain to radio waves, spirit boxes and evps can allow ghosts to communicate utilizing sound and radio frequencies, rem pods much like EMFs monitor for changes in the electromagnetic frequency but just around the rem pod itself. Ovulus is basically a spirit box but filtering out the static of the rapid radio frequency changes.
@@adventurekitty101 Ohh 😯! That actually makes sense. Ngl, I kinda forgot those ghost hunting devices exist 😅. Thanks for taking your time to answer my question. I find it very meaningful 😊.
@Mike_Ka-Chowski steel is more inorganic pokemon than organic, and they must be used to conducting electricity so it doesn't nearly effect them as much as other types. Meanwhile loud sounds can destroy things and disable devices, and since it is more of a hemorrhage than a clean cut like steel, it can be more effective (just watch grogginess stupid video for why scream tail getting far in terminalmontage's paradox battle "makes sense"
Fairy did need to happen, but I also don't think it should be immune to dragon. Maybe just resist. Because fairy didn't really balance the type chart. It just replaced dragon as the strongest thing, and resulted in some pretty unfortunate centralization around the type. It's a bit better now, 3 gens out, but fairy types still tend to be disproportionately powerful.
Hi, I'm from the future. In gen 12 they introduced gold and diamond types. Every pokemon can become it, they hit everything super effective and resist everything. You just have to pay 2.99/4.99 per pokemon you want to have it
I am also a fan of sound type but here are some other suggestions: 1) Spin or Rotation: Similar to Flying, it is a movement-inspired type and works for Pokémon like Spinda, Brambleghast and Hisuian Liligant. This type's moves are super-effective against Steel, Rock, Dragon and Water (because they are mass-based types), not very effective against Fire, Bug, Flying and Ground (as spinning is not an issue to them), and useless against Psychic since its telekinetic powers and non-reliance on physical sense doesn't care about the direction. Pokémon of this type are weak to Fire, Poison and Ground (since they either amplify the damage or mess up the movement) and resist Steel, Rock, Dragon and Water. 2) Crystal or Glass: This material type is already integrated into the designs of several Rock, Psychic and Dark Pokémon such as Diancie, Starmie and Sableye, and we also saw the Crystal Onix in a Pokémon anime episode before, so this could be justified to introduce it. This type's moves are super-effective against Fairy (disorienting and hard surface) and Ghost (amulets as protectants), and weak to Rock, Steel and Fighting (stronger material/force). The type resists Fairy, Fire (strong heat resistance or melts on top of it), Flying, Grass and Bug (window glass protected from outside animals/plants coming in), and Pokémon of this type are unaffected by Ghost type attacks. 3) Magnetic or Cohesion: Several Steel and Electric types like the Magnemite line, Minun, Plusle and Probopass share this concept so this could be a chance to separate it as its own type. The idea behind this type is an abstract but very real concept of sticking together and creating forces from polarisation. This type's moves are super-effective against Steel, Fighting and Flying (causes disorientation) and Electric (redirection), not effective against Water and Grass, and useless against Dark and Ghost (since they aren't affected by it physically or mentally). Magnetic Pokémon resist Steel and Electric, but are weak to Water, Dark and Ghost.
What we need specifically is something that beats and resists Steel and Fairy, resists Dragon, is weak and resisted by Grass and Bug, is resisted by Ice, and is weak to Poison. What the heck would THAT be?
Sound could be supereffective against steel, water, and psychic and resisted by rock, bug, and ghost. As for defensively, it resisting steel and rock would make sense, and it could be weak to psychic and ghost. As for reasons: Sound travels through water and most metals MORE efficiently than air, and loud noises disrupt the focus of psychic types, as well as hurting their sensitive senses. Many bugs aren't affected by loud noises, and rock for the most part dampens or reflects sound. Ghosts also typically aren't effected by loud noises very much. Resisting steel and rock is because loud sounds pass through (aren't effected by) steel, and bounce away from rocks. Weakness-wise, sound is intangible, so it makes sense that ghosts and psychics would hit it effectively. As far as balancing goes, giving ghost and psychic a third type to hit super-effective would serve them well, the same goes with giving them a third resistance. This also serves to buff the rock type defensively, which it somewhat needs, as well as nerfing it offensively (which it, and more importantly steath rocks, also somewhat need.) The interactions with steel are both obvious and would serve to nerf steel somewhat, as are it being the third weakness of water. Giving bug type a resistance to such an otherwise strong type serves to help it defensively, same as already mentioned with rock type. I think implementing sound in this way would make it a serviceable 19th type that helps check two of the strongest types. balance out some more middling types, and hopefully elevate the bug type beyond what it currently is. Unrelated, but make poison super-effective against water too, seriously why isn't it already?
They could just keep Stellar, and simply make it so Stellar Pokemon are weak to other Stellar Pokemon. So pretty much making it like Ghost type in Gen 1. As for Pokemon thatll be changed into Stellar? Ditto, Arceus, Regigigas, Genesect and Type-Null. Ditto, Regi, Arceus and Type could be Normal/Stellar while Genesect gets Stellar/Bug in base form. And they can have so Stellar Pokemon gets stab for all types lmao. (This is why it should become a legendary only typing.
Sound and Light = Wave You can call it wave type and you can choose between more things for designs and attacks, no idea what their interactions between types would be like At the same time, since it is very general, you can ignore parts of it at your convenience and people probably won't notice. Cosmic = there are some pokemon that could go in... but a pokemon shouldn't be a type because it comes from space, and things like meteors or stars are easily covered by other types Nuclear = Expecific, how do you justify that there are too many pokemons of this type without having to resort to "blame of nuclear contamination" Time = Just not In the end I say that if there is a new type, it should benefit the ice and/or bug type (in addition to obviously nerfing the overpower type which is the reason for its existence), I mean, a Technology type would probably be weak to Bug, Besides, there are already a few pokemons that could become that type, along with some attacks, and it is an excuse for several different designs... although now that paradox pokemons exist, it would probably be impossible, it would basically make them less unique by half. of special pokemons of the ninth gen In general, there is no room for a new type, the options... are not good enough, or directly bad
While I wouldn’t mind the addition of another type of- even it’s one that makes less sense to me - I also doubt that we’ll get another any time soon. The only reasons I can see it happening is if the developers want to shake things up a bit again, or it’s to ensure that things are a bit more equal. Saying that, I also believe that it’s more the specific Pokémon that throw off game balance rather than just the type itself. Flutter mane is as much a threat in the meta as it is because of its stats as much as its typing.
Sound beating Fairy and Water makes sense to me. Fairies are dainty, peaceful creatures that would be adverse to harsh, grating noises, while shockwaves are far more lethal underwater. Sound could give defensive utility to Rock, Ice (solid, unmoving elements) and Bug (creatures that are already super noisy). ... However, Steel would absolutely resist Sound, which is an issue. No clue what Sound would be weak to, either, other than itself and maybe Psychic (which could create their own shockwaves to "destroy/cancel out" sounds).
@@kghostthegreat In that case, we'd go back to Rock and Ice being weak to it too, wouldn't we? Or, at least Ice. Maybe there could be a "Resonance" move that acts like Freeze-Dry. Super Effective against Steel, Ice and Rock, instead of being resisted.
I think my main gripe with Sound type is that any argument you could make for a type being a weakness could also work for it being a resistance. Like Steel, Rock, Ground, all of these are solid surfaces that block or dampen sound so they could be resistances, but also enough sound can take down buildings made of these things, so would they be weaknesses? I think so many new type concepts are just too abstract as you said. Only one I could possibly see is Virtual maybe because at least with that there is a lot to cover, it could easily work to buff Bug types because of the idea of a computer virus/bug in programming, idk if it would necessarily nerf Steel, but I think it could buff Bug & Poison for sure
The funny thing is, despite Gen 2 bringing in 2 new types that are both weak to Fighting, it took until Gen 3 for that to become actually good as that was mostly used to counter Normal before then (part of why Steel was brought in the first place)
but steel was also used to counter psychic as well since it was broken in gen 1, sure dark was the main counter to psychic, but steel did help. but you aren't wrong that it took until gen 3 for fighting to truly be a steel counter since back in gen 2, the best fighting move was cross chop...which was exclusive to Machamp
Stellar Chien-Pao and Flutter Mane are pretty common and useful Stellar Chien Pao with Focus Sash can use the single time STAB boosts and focus more on offense Stellar Flutter Mane is just there to D Gleam or Moon Blast Miraidon/Koraidon or Stellar Blast them if Terra for consistent Super Effective damage and it's immunities to there STABs Also to KO terra restricted immediately as well
I think sound would actually work very well for bug and steel if you think about it more like sound waves and vibrations. Many insects have limited or no hearing and are uneffected by loud sounds(this could straight up even be built in soundproof). While steel carries vibrations throughout itself or they just penetrate the hard surface. Could also have strong counters to things like water too if you did a bit of stretching with the vibration.
I feel like sound could be super effective on steel since sound travels faster through solids, bug could be super effective on sound because that annoying sound mosquitoes make in your ear. Might be a stretch but there's already a lot of stretches in Pokémon types
The problem with Bug is that too many types resist it. Giving it one new type to be supereffective against doesn't help if half the opponent's team still resists it, making switches against it too easy. It sucks offensively and one good interaction isn't going to change that. The better solution would be imo to make Bug a defensive type. It already has a super valuable resistance against Ground, giving it a few more might really make it valuable as a secondary type for defensive purposes. Giving Bug a resistance to Fairy and Ghost would really help the type imo since both of those resistances would be really valuable and both of those types could also use the nerf. To nerf Steel, I think it should be weak to Water, since wetness makes it rust. To balance out water, it should also gain a new weakness in turn, and I propose Poison. Poison could definitely use the buff, and with pollution and with acidification due to climate change, more and more water reservoirs are becoming toxic and killing their inhabitants. This interaction thus already has a match in the real world and could serve as a grim reminder of the value of nature, just like Cursola already does (so we have in-game precedent for that too).
Something I can definitely see GameFreak doing when adding a new type is to make them Legendary exclusive, somewhat similar to Terapagos, where despite them having their own strengths and weaknesses, it doesn’t throw the entire type matchup off balance since it’s only exclusive to that one Pokemon
I feel like they wouldn’t change a Pokémon type of it isn’t monotype (keeping the original type while adding the new secondary type) or normal (replacing normal with the new type) so I don’t see them replacing necrozma psychic type with and other type for example
After hearing you say that fairy is fine, tbh I kind of agree. It is definitely on the good side of things but honestly I think they need to nerf Moonblast instead. Make it 90 BP with only a 10% drop, just make it a flamethrower clone post gen 6. 95BP with no drawback and pretty broken secondary effect is just not okay. There’s physical fairies like Azu, Grimmsnarl, Granbull and they are completely fine. Most fairies just get away with clicking Moonblast.
I would not mind another type or two later down the line assuming it makes sense and fits in with the rest. But I am fairly sure there will never be a Sound or Light type, mostly because they are already covered by other types. Sound is already covered by the Normal-type as a lot of Pokemon that has sound-related themes, such as Jigglypuff, Exploude amd Meloetta are all Normal-type (except for Kricketot and Kricktune) and Light is already covered by the Fairy and Electric-type, such as Lanturn, Dedenne, Heliolisk and Shiinotic.
I generally agree with your stance, but I do think Sound could beat Steel, realistically. The big thing to consider is resonant frequencies: while most recognizable in an Opera Singer breaking glass with their voice, you also see it in things like the Millennium Bridge which was damaged by resonant frequency while being mostly Steel. Yes, that resonant frequency was from footfalls, not sound, but the underlying logic seems to me to be at least as good as a lot of other semi-dubious type interactions.
Yeah, new types are introduced to put massively overpowered types in check. We don't have a situation like that right now, so there's no real need for anything new.
The Kalos type chart really should be the forever type chart. Change should come by adding individual pokemon, abilities, and held items to rebalance the meta.
In addition to the "bug beat fairy" change, I'd like to suggest "Bug Resist Dragon" Now this might just be my Fire Emblem Awakening brain but I think of a massive beast like a dragon actually struggling to catch a tiny annoying pest being reasonable explanation ,plus it fits a nice "The little bug at the beginning of your adventure has a strong match up against the endgame dragons" cyclical vibe. Maybe
That... actually doesn't sound too bad, huh. I still disagree with Bug beating Fairy _(I don't really see why Bugs would be a threat to nature-loving sprites _*_or_*_ creepy folk tale creatures; a resist would make more sense, same with Grass resisting Fairy),_ but Bug resisting Dragon sounds pretty fun.
It is difficult to implement, but SOUND is the only type that I think may be possible to introduce. For steel, although it occurs in specific circumstances, sound does affect metal structures, this is due to vibrations that can alter the structure or shape of metals, this is called: "Vibration fatigue", so ...can be effective if you look at it from that perspective.
I hope they make type reactions/synergies like how the elemental pledges work. For example, when a pokemon is hit with an ice-type move after it was previously hit with a water-type will become more susceptible to getting frozen. This will open up a whole lot of opportunities for type interactions. Or better yet, they have to make more moves that counter their own weaknesses like how Freeze-Dry works against water-types.
Sound is a lot better for the type balancing than you think. First and foremost it'll most likely be neutral to steel, as sound and steel don't really interact, but sound does interact with water and the air so it'll be super effective to water and flying, but would also deal super effective damage to fairy due to sound pollution. Not only that but a type like bug would be buffed because of one key factor, most bugs in real life are deaf. So bug type would actually be immune to sound type, this was even shown in a johto special wher a trainer had her Jigglypuff sing at a beedrill but it didn't effect it at all, the reason was because of beedrills wing but we can say bugs are immune. We can also make ice type resists sound as sound waves travel slower in colder Temps! So actually sound is almost perfect
But sound is already a mechanic in the games. And the interactions with other types are hypothetical, you can make sound super effective to every type: rock, ice and steel because sound travels faster in solid objects; psychic because you can't think with loud noises; fighting and normal because loud noises stun normal and trained people; poison because music can cure illness; ground because dirt can be move with sound waves ...
There are plenty of non-normal sound type moves that are Special and Status, no Physical: Metal Sound Steel, Grass Whistle Grass, Bug Buzz Bug, Snarl Dark, Disarming Voice Fairy, Parting Shot Dark, Sparkling Aria Water, Clanging Scales Dragon, Clangorous Soulblaze Dragon, Clangorous Soul Dragon, Overdrive Electric, Eerie Spell Psychic, Torch Song Fire, Alluring Voice Fairy, Psychic Noise Psychic. What are we going to do with them? And no, don't retcon them and give them the “Flying Press” treatment.
@@jmhguy There are plenty of moves that could be different types. A good example is the move darkest lariat, incineroars signature move. It's a dark type attack because it's a clothesline from hell, a specific type of lariat, but it could also be a fighting type attack because it's a lariat. Strength could be a fighting type attack, sandstorm can be ground, bulldoze can be steel, etc. Essentially just figure out which one makes more sense. Fire punch is a punch so it can be considered a fighting type attack BUT it's specifically a punch made of fire so it's fire. A move like bug buzz would most likely stay bug due to it specifically being the buzzing of a bug's wings so that makes sense for it to be bug and not sound. Moves like snarl and clanging scales would be made into the new sound type because they are not specific to a type, clanging scales is just a pokemon clanging its scales, not specifically dragon scales. It's just that only a dragon type learns it.
@@captaincaterpie there like 5 sound special attacks not connected to a type, and a few status like growl that doesn't matter the type, so an only special type The rest of the moves are connected to other types, for example clangorous scales it's a sound move but it uses scales that are a dragon theme and the purple dragon energy like the other dragon moves, it isn't a generic sound move that needs a type to better represent it The other problem is the sound mechanics,¿ the moves that wouldn't change type would still benefit from punk rock? And most sound based pokemon already have two types that represent them well like primarina, skelerdirge, toxtricity, noivern, seismitoad... The other new types only replaced the normal type. It would limit what a sound based pokemon can be.
I think I’ve come up with a type that answers all of your prompts. The Digital Type There’s really only 1, maybe two species of Pokémon associated with cyberspace and computers. The Porygon line can easily be changed into Digital or Normal/Digital, and Rotom can also be Electric/Digital or conversely Digital/Ghost. It’s unique enough from something like Psychic or Electric to fit into its own unique theme Digital doesn’t just need to pertain to computers. They can use sound waves/vibrations (some music, specifically edm, is made with oscillators), geometric shapes, numbers, maybe even a randomness luck factor might be fitting for the theme And for the type interactions: - Weaknesses -Bug: a lot of the weaknesses are more for the puns. Bugs make computer programs and coding all messed up -Poison: Viruses, self explanatory -Fire: Overheating causes them to mess up and their batteries to drain faster -Ice: Computers freezing -Water: Water messes up their circuits Resistances -Steel: Computers are made with metal -Electric: Powers up computers and charges their batteries. Could be an immunity -Psychic, Dragon, and/or Fairy: a bit of a stretch, but logic and science refutes magic and fantasy Super Effective against -Steel: I feel like because computers can be associated with steel, it’s the fact that steel can be at the mercy of technology -Fairy: idk it just feels right Resisted by -Fire -Water -Ice -Clearly with a lack of resistant types as well as quite a list of weaknesses that it can function similarly to a mix of Dragon and Ice, being a glass cannon with little types that resist it and little to hit for super effective damage as well, but also a bit of types threaten it. Ice also get to have a nice defensive niche/buff being one of 3 types to resist Digital attacks Thoughts?
Id just turn all sound moves into flying moves aince thw flying type encompasses not only the ability to fly but also manipulation of the air. Sound is causeong the ear to vibrate. I just want Swelliw and. Noivern to have stab boomburst.
I've always maintained that Normal should've been super effective against Fairy. An average, ordinary person can capture a fairy in a bottle or a net. It would've given Normal a much-needed offensive boost in these modern times where Normal hasn't been a top dog type in seven generations.
The normal type is made more to cause NORMAL damage to everyone. I'm thinking more about Fairy being able to hit ghosts and also having more resistances and less weak matchups. Just make resistance to the fairy Normal, because normal people trust flattery more than the hard truth
No, I disagree. I think Normal-Types and Fairy-Types should have stayed neutral. We don't need to nerf the Fairy-Types, it's Steel-Types that needs to be nerfed ASAP.
6:32 the way I rationalized steel being strong to the ghost and dark type is: Dark has a similar reason, I'm my head, to the fairy/dark matchup today, just with knights and some superheroes in place of fairies. In some ghost stories, they use mirrors to keep ghosts at bay and to capture them, and steel is arguably the closest thing to mirrors we have, outside of MAYBE sand-based ground types
Steel would be super weak to Sound. In my job we use sound waves to break up steel columns. Sound is just vibrations. Our brains are just tuned to work out those vibrations to make what we call sound. I agree with you though really zero need for a new type at the moment. Bug type needs more love first before anything gets added.
Your talk on ideas on sound inspured me since I disagree with how it would be affected by steel. I'm curious if sound was added with the following effects to other types, how it would deal. Would it worsen or improve the game? Strong to: Water, Ground, Rock, Steel Resistant by: Electric, Ice, Ghost Immune by: Bug, Nuetral to: Grass, Fire, Flying, Poison, Fighting, Psychic, Dragon, Dark, Fairy GRASS: Nuetral. Sound can affect some plants to grow worse or better, though it varies from species to species. FIRE: Sound can be used to extinguish fire. However, sound travels faster in heat. Therefore, I think it should be neutral. WATER: Sound travels faster through liquids. Therefore, it would be hurt more by sound. BUG: Many bugs don't use sound to navigate. Therefore, should be immune. NORMAL: Neutral FLYING: Birds use sound to communicate, though I don't see it hurting them. POISON: Nuetral ELECTRIC: Sound can be converted into electricity. So it should resist sound. GROUND: Sound travels faster through earth. Therefore, it would be hurt more by sound. FIGHTING: Nuetral. Sound can affect the preforming of a fighter but also increase adrenaline. PYSCHIC: Nuetral. Sound can improve concentration while also distracting. ROCK: Sound travels faster through solids. Therefore, it would be hurt more by sound. ICE: Sound travels slower in cold. There for should resist sound. GHOST: Some sounds are associated with haunting and spiritual chants. Therefore, they may be affected less by its effects. DRAGON: Nuetral. Sound shouldn't affect them too much DARK: Nuetral. Sound shouldn't affect evil. STEEL: Sound travels faster through solids. Therefore, it would be hurt more by sound. FAIRY: Nuetral. Sound shouldn't affect them too much
Instead of adding new types,gamefreak should work on balancing the weak and strong types Fairy is the best type in the game and it needs a nerf. Flutter mane's domination in VGC says it all Weaker types like Bug and Ice need a rework on type charts Ghost moves needs an another resistance,its the best offensive type in the game
Tbf Flutter Mane being broken is less due to its type and moreso that GameFreak thought 135 SpAtk, SpDef and Speed were balanced. For VGC Fire, Water and Steel give it major competition for the top spot and for singles Water, Steel and Ghost does the same
Dragon makes sense being strong because they usually take forever to evolve, just don't make as many of them. (and do something for those who play competitive)
Why would steel resist sound, Given the right frequencies and pitches and a powerful enuff speaker of sorts you can shatter steel the same way an opera Singer can shatter a wine glass.
Yeeeah, as interesting as getting a new type could be... it'd basically just be too gimmicky, and make our current types unbalanced again. Even though Fairy types were added so long ago, it STILL feels like we're balancing them out alone. So another new type on top of that could basically break the system. I also just feel like most ideas for new types are too... one dimensional? Like Light type could've been cool, but Fairy basically fulfilled that purpose. And something like "Sound" would probably only apply to so many existing mons, and the ones made for it would be too on the nose. Its not as broad as the Fairy type weirdly.
Sound type can be super effective on both steel and fairy, vibration spread into metals (and for the same logic sound can be super effective on water too), about fairy, the power of music is known to be very powerful in fairytale worlds and can surpass any being. The sound type can be weak against the electro (the lightning comes before the thunder), against the fire type because a flame extinguishes the air that spread the vibrations (here the association is a little more complex). I can also think of other interactions based only on logic and not on an actual need for balance with most types, among the most valid with psycho, ghost and grass
Honestly Fairy type was a mistake, they needed do to some actual game balancing within types and adjust moves so that some of them weren't spammable anymore. For start changing Outrage to be a recoil move to be more inline Flare blitz and Volt tackle so it damages you, meaning that pokemon KO's itself after using a few times.
They made many mistakes with the typings, rock and ground should just be earth, flying should be wind, and does poison really needed to be a type? Fairy could be light, or magic or something
@@ratedr7845 I think having Ground and rock types be different things is fine. Though i think they need to be changes to be a little more different. For instance make Rock resistant to Water and Ice due to our houses are made of rock and they don't melt in the rain, it does not make sense for Rock to be weak to water. Ground is mud and should be weak to Water and Ice those not solid rock. Also get rid if its Grass weakness, I don't know what has it. Again, Ground should be weak to Grass and has nutreits for the grass to absorb while rock is hard carbon and Gems with no nutriet value, it should hit for normal damage. With those 2 tweaks Ground and Rock would look different with no over overlap. Also it would give Rock type the defensive buffs it needs, only have 3 weakness rather 5 weakness. One of 2 types that have 5 weaknesses, too many.
@@ratedr7845 Psychic type is actually the stand in Light type. Many of it's moves are light based. Light screen, Reflect, Mist ball, photon geyser, Lumina Crash, Luster purge and few others. We do a need proper Sound-type though, For too long they've been using normal type for the sound based things. This why Melotta is part normal type, and why Jigglypuff kept its Normal typing in Gen 6.
Lore Wise, introducing a new type works since not all games take place in the same universe. Cass in Point: Ruby vs. Omega Ruby. I think Sound would be a good type, but it would hinder Psychic, Flying, maybe Fairy, but definitely Bug because the noise would be very disruptive to their focus. And Sound would be resisted by things such as Ground, Rock, Water, AND Steel since sound is muffled by them. Honestly, if you want to buff bug, we need a weather condition that is like a biblical swarm.
Steel and Ice need to be mutually weak to each other, considering extreme temperatures weaken steel - actually that relationship should happen somewhere in the type chart but it doesn't... Ice and water should also be mutually weak to each other.
If I were to try and excuse Sound as a Type that works against Steel, I would probably use how from scientific perspective, sound transfer and heat transfer are closely related (using the same carrier, or phonons), which is why good heat conductors are also good sound conductors, so you could claim that Sound and Fire would go together (sure, Fire is technically a different mechanism, but still, Type chart justifications are handwavey at best anyway). Bug resisting Sound could be justified to a degree by them doing some resonance shenanigans. But yeah, new Types would definitely mess the Type chart.
I just don't think its a good idea to add a new type to a chart that can't decide whether flavor, balance or logic are more important for how they interact.
I think they should add a gourmet type it would be weak to fire and ice strong against psychic and dark weak to bug and would be immune to steel because of the thematic idea that gourmet or food-related elements might not be affected by conventional physical or metallic attacks.
I think Electric type could use a slight nerf. They only have one weakness (ground) at the moment, and that's kind of annoying sometimes. Like sure, in competitive games its not a big deal since _everyone_ uses Earthquake all the time, but for casual players it can be frustrating if you just happen not not have any ground type moves (especially if its an Electric/Flying type). I have no clue what type it could be weak to though. Maybe a "cosmic" type? I feel like Psychic is used as a stand-in for that kind of thing too often, so it would be fitting... And it would make sense too because stereotypically aliens/UFOs are able to mess with electronics. It could also be super effective against Steel too, for the same reason.
9:19 i actually think most bug types should hypothetically be weak to sound, as certain bat species use sound to hunt for things like moths, but also some moth species have adapted ways to counteract this such as making sounds with their wings to confuse the bat's echolocation somewhat, so it could honestly go either way
I would like to see a tech(technological) type - made by humans or that have interactions with virtual reality, a food type - it would be pokemon focused on food, and a fossil type - based on dinosaurs and other ancient extinct creatures.
Great video, as always! 🙂 i definitely don’t see GF adding a new type for a long time yet, but i actually think Cosmic could work. I can’t remember who, but another RUclipsr pitched a concept for its balance that interacted nicely with the others. I can’t remember it well either unfortunately, but he suggested it be immune to Fire due to the vacuum of space, and he brought up how, like Fairy, it could take a sort of subtype of Psychic and flesh it out. There are loads of mons that would fit it. But yeah, Steel would definitely resist it, and it probably wouldn’t help Bug…
A lot of fairies weren't pink when first introduced, though. If you want a rough type, all fire types have red, orange, or yellow in their design, with only roughly 5 exceptions.
Im not sure if this would be helpful for game balance but I did consider the Cyber type: Weak To: Bug (Pun on computer bugs) Cyber (Hackers exist) Poison (Pun on computer virus) Water (This should be obvious) Strong Against: Cyber (Already explained) Fairy (Fairy = Magic, opposite of Cyber) Fighting (If AI is smart enough it could predict a fighter's strategy) Psychic (If AI is smart enough it could outsmart a genius) Steel should have some kind of interaction with Cyber but Im not sure what kind specifically.
The major problem with a nuclear type is that pokemon uranium already did it as a double edged sword that is only resistances is steel and itself and super effective again everything else, this literally only moved the chart more in steel's favor making the grass starter a no brainer due to getting steel as a second type. I would also like to mention that sound could be super effective against steel and water because both are very good at carrying vibrations and ice could resist it since it's very hard to hear anything from someone buried in snow, but rock could also be open to it and I think it has enough weakness.
JPR you should do a video on rebalancing the type chart. I think some solid ideas are making ice resist water, ground, and grass, take away steel>>fairy and have fairy's weaknesses be bug and poison with grass resisting fairy as well (kinda like nature being fairy's counter), and its probably impossible, but combining earth and rock into one type lmao.
I think sound could easily be super effective against steel types. Ever heard of resonant frequencies? It's basically when the area around an object is vibrating at the same frequency as the object, causeing the object to vibrate aggressively or break. It's how an opera singer can shatter glass. I remember seeing a video of a sword reacting to it's resonant frequency and it was vibrating so aggressively that I think a steel type Pokemon could take a super effective amount of damage when being hit by a hyper voice or a boom burst.
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The "gap" between the Bug type and the rest of them is not necessarilly the fault of the Bug type itself, it's more of a Bug pokemon issue. They all have BSTs at or below 500, no great abilities or exceptional moves. On paper Bug resists Ground, at least.
BTW, Psychic is the light type. Or rather radiation type:
- All the cosmic pokemon are Psychic types
- Unowns, which are believed to be inspired by Hiroshima victims, are Psychic types
- Mewtwo, which was partially based on nuclear weapons, is a Psychic type.
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Sound type is not gonna be a thing simply because sound is a move category. It's a completely separate thing, like powder moves, moves, contact moves, etc. Thinking of sound as a potential type is as ridiculous as waiting for Punching or Sleep Inducing type.
Your opinion on the light type “not having enough concepts” is wrong. It can be based off prisms, the colour spectrum, rainbows, abstract light, colour, types of man made lights, the list goes on. A lot of moves would realistically be good light type moves, light screen, dazzling gleam, etc, When the fairy type was added, 22 pokemon gained it. Here’s a list of pokémon that could gain the light type. (I will include pre-evolutions to keep things fair.
1. Chinchou
2. Lanturn
3. Helioptile
4. Heliolisk
5. Cosmog
6. Cosmoem
7. Lunala
8. Solgaleo
9. Necrozma
10. Xurkitree
11. Hattena
12. Hattrem
13. Hatterene
14. Pumpkaboo (It’s based off of a jack o’ lantern, but there have been pokémon that use plants before that aren’t grass type so this could work as such)
15. Gourgeist
16. Scream Tail
17. Iron Thorns
18. Miraidon
19. Voltorb (It explodes, explosions don’t always make fire, but they always make some kind of light unless it’s smoke, they either make light or fire and the explosion animation clearly shows light and zero fire.)
20. Electrode
21. Hisuian Voltorb
22. Hisuian Electrode.
Not only have I named concepts, I’ve given existing pokémon the light type and I’ve even given the exact same amount that was added to fairy.
The problem with adding new types is
1. Too many new fan made types are too gimmicky
2. Most type issues can just be reworked
3. Adding a new type will only temporarily solve the issue
4. New types = new issues.
5. Even if they add a 19th type, people will soon ask for another one
Heck you make a sound type, you basically gimp Normal type special attackers completely
Point 2 and 3 were ignored when fairy type was added
@@Castersvarog Sound type isn't the same as normal type, sound would be about vocal, sonar and vibrational part of the Pokémon move pool, Pokémon like bats, dolphins and such would benefit with it, but other Pokémon types like steel or such would suit to matching with it, it would be super effective with water, steel type and such, not very effective then other typing also, not too hard, but I do agree with the OP, we need to sort out the current typings first before adding a new one, even the Stellar type even though not a true typing kinda complicates things tbh
I got the feeling that the stellar type will be forgotten as soon as legends Za comes out
Especially with old and new Megas in PLZA
ofc because stellar type is not a new type, it's a new tera type
@@theamazingspooderman2697Exactly. People need to realize that Stellar type is not a traditional Pokémon type
I forgot it was even a thing currently
Specially since even if it was a normal type its a type with 2 movws, ine exclusive ti a legebdaey abd onw that always drops your attacking stats and has 0 interactions with the type chart
We don't need new types. We need a rebalance of the current types.
Pretty much this there's other types like psychic poison and bug that need buffs more than a new type to be added to counter what fairy? Maybe water or steel idk
I dont think theres that much need to be a rebalance to types, most are good and ofc some will be bad, that's what rpg's are for, but some rebalance to types like Bug would be nice
@theamazingspooderman2697 I generally agree with you, although I would argue a slight nerf to steel and fairy would be positive, and a buff to psychic since that type should be powerful.
*cough* Bug type *cough*
@@AlphaladZXASteel already counters fairy
"Steel would definitely resist Sound"
That's crazy, I always think the exact opposite.
Put on some layers of steel armor and then stand on a riverbank while a giant vibrating transport ship passes by.
When I picture a Metagross getting hit by a Hyper Voice that's been re-typed into a Sound type, I imagine its brains being vibrated to mush (as I'd picture Steel AND Psychic to be weak to it... as well as Electric and Fighting..)
Completely agree on Steel and Psychic. I imagine it like Thunder damage in D&D
I think Ground should be resist to sound, but then again sound can sometimes travel through the ground, but Rock would be weak against sound if enough vibration could crack rocks tbh, also some sounds associates with ground like earthquakes and such, some ground type moves could change to sound, unless leave ground types alone or some sound types are just ground types tbh, so there's that
Also, what about Cyber type? Maybe a glorified Electric type with few of its abilities, resistance and such gets changed or swapped around, so there's that tbh
Totally agree. Steel should b weak to Sound.
IMO, Sound should only be super effective against Steel. Resist Water and Rock, cuz it can travel easily thru water and break rocks( but Rock absolutely doesn't need nother weakness). Be resisted by Ground and Dragon.
The thing is a lot of steel Pokemon aren't organic so this wouldn't apply universally.
There are sound frequencies that can bring down giant bridges. Sound is the most supereffective against steel
Nuclear was Uranium's gimmick. In exchange for all Nuclear-types being weak to all types except Nuclear, the type beat every other type in the game except for itself... and Steel. All it did was require you to bring a Steel-type with you during the campaign.
If they want to factor in concepts like ionising radiation or gamma rays then they should probably just make it Poison-type.
Interestingly they only ever made one pure steel type mon, and it was only available as a third stage evolution to a steel/rock type line.
@@Castersvarog I think I used it in my playthrough. Wasn't it the unicorn thing?
@@ShadowXeldron nah it was the odd orange horse with a round head
I think a big part of the argument as to why fairy can be considered the best type is that firstly, poison and steel types are still not the best types offensively. Fairy is the only relevant type steel and poison hit for super effective damage. This leads into my second point that steel itself is much worse offensively than fairy. Again, fairy is the only relevant type that steel hits for super effective damage while fairy hits the important types of dragon, dark, and fighting. Moonblast is considered one of the most spammable moves in the game for a reason
they got too much power, too fast...even bug as if anyone needed that.
To be fair, moonblast is a stupid move in general.
95 power instead of the standard 90, wide distribution, and for some reason iirc its drop chance is 30%. Compare that to play rough, which is weaker, has worse accuracy and its chance to drop attack is 10%.
Moonblast is a stupid move even without fairy being broken.
Starting out my friend ran a lot of sand storm/steel teams and they used to be a menace but eventually yah u realize Water and fire are probably the 2 best typings. I think fairy/ghost are up there too but yah steel has to be one of the best types but it has its weakness not as tough to counter as some niche ones like electric that have 1 counter typing they can negate list goes on and on fire, ground, fighting most likely water hits pretty good it doesn’t have as many resistances as you think it’s honestly just poison resistant and elemental but there’s a lotta 2X weakness that can die to stab hits like nothing if ur not carful doesn’t matter the stats with steel so yah it isn’t as good as I thought just having base stats was the only thing keeping it afloat the typing is a mixed bag
We don't have any solid physical Steel type moves with good bp.
@@Nosretep iron tail and Metor mash are good, u just have to use gravity or baton pass some accuracy for iron tail
6:00 Ground is the most unbalanced type alongside steel change my mind
99% of ground types can just spam earthquake with literal 0 consequences unless you have a flying type.
The fact you have to often consider a ground type counter in water and ice monotypes despite being in advantage to it speaks for itself.
That's not really an unbalance in the type CHART though, more so an imbalance in the mons who ARE ground type (with their movepools), which is a somewhat different discussion. They could just pull back on who learns Earthquake in Gen 10 like they did with Scald in Gen 9.
Clearly you never play doubles. 😂
Competitive Pokémon is played in doubles. Earthquake is better for playthroughs unless you play your team around it.
Ground should have been resisted by Rock-Types and also resisting it because rocks can alter what the dirt and soil will go through and cause erosion.
@@arininquotes8396 With that said I say they should bring Scald back to what it was just for giggles.
You say you can't see Sound being super effective against Steel, but we must remember that sound, as a mechanical wave, propagates faster the denser the medium is, (that's why you can make the yoghurts on a string toy to communicate as a kid) so I can perfectly see a case being made as to why sound could beat steel no issue
And sound would probably beat rock and water and ice for the same reasons.
And it would beat fire because sound powered fire extinguishing robots are a thing.
Maybe that might be true, but like he said it's harder to make that relation easily comprehensive. I'm too small brain to understand what you said, but I can see why water does more damage to fire. Especially for the intended audience, kids won't understand all that sciency jazz.
@sonicbladex12 sound travels faster through solid objects. If you stand on train tracks you'll feel it vibrate long before you hear a train. Same reason a light tap on metal cables produces a loud laser sound.
@@15_heidune72Sound beat Water? I feel like Water muffles noises…
@@15_heidune72nope, snow cancels out sound so ice pokemon are actually resistant to it
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(5:54-6:40) As a competitive player, let me correct you why Fairy is seen as broken.
- Steel may have more defensive resistances, but offensively it isn't strong, especially their secondary effects, also their accuracy aren't always the best.
- Water is know for being tanky, but it has no immunities... Water also doesn't have good secondary effects... other than Scald which was nerfed in distribution... there's also ways to reduce it's power with abilities and weather.
- Fire is also great, one of my faves, but there's ways to reduce their Fire power with abilities, and weather.
Now let's look at Fairy... their accuracy doesn't suck, the worst one is Play Rough at 90%... and there's no real way to reduce their attacks. Let's look at some other moves shall we...
- Baby Doll Eyes: Lowers attack; has priority 1
- Dazzling Gleam: Base 80 spread move, that doesn't miss.
- Decorate: Increases attack and sp.attack by 2 stages, bypasses your allies Protect, and Detect
- Draining Kiss: Base 50 attack but steals 75% HP back
- Moonblast: Base 95 after the universal 95>90 nerf... it has a 30% chance to reduce sp.attack unlike the common 10%
- Play Rough: Base 90 with 90% accuracy with a 10% chance to reduce attack. (fairest Fairy move)
- Spirit Break: signature move yes, but always reduces sp.attack on a relevant DOU Pokemon
And this is just a few... not to mention Misty Explosion and Strange Steam... other decent moves.
I mean from a competitive standpoint specifically...
BDE: Bad move.
Dazzling Gleam: Is pretty weak with no secondary effect. Sure it's a spread move... but it's an 80 power spread move.
Decorate: Is only on Alcremie, which is a bad Pokemon.
Draining Kiss: Is only really good on Triage Comfey in lower single tiers tiers, otherwise it's a bad move.
Moonblast: Is a REALLY good move.
Play Rough: Generally balanced. A lot of mons that want this move don't even have it.
Spirit Break: Is only on 2 Pokemon, both of which could completely live without it.
Moonblast is arguably the only fairy move that is in any way broken that isn't a legendary signature move.
There was no reason for it to resist Bug lol
@@Faniwa828 It should be all the way around
@@Nuclearstomp You can make this argument for literally any type/Pokemon, however it's the fact that it's not easily resisted... or way to completely be immune to it. The only type combinations that can really stop it... Steel/Fire and Poison/Fire... which is only 2 Pokemon... oh I also forgot to mention Fairy indirectly gets tankier because the most common side effect is nerfing a type of attack.
@@LuDogg805 I'm just saying the moves specifically aren't the issue. Except maybe moonblast since it's so strong and has distribution to almost all fairies.
It should be noted that Fairy is technically a light type or a magic type. Dragon and Dark also work as magic types, with Dragon being an "Ancient" type and Dark being a "Darkness" type along with being evil....
Psychic also works for light as well because it's also a "cosmic" type due to how so many psychic issues work with cosmos and stars and etc....
And that's the issue with a lot of new types people try to create... they technically already exist as other types....
Even sound.... almost everyone makes sound. It's a normal thing....
People are just desperate to try at a new type I guess
Fairy type needed to happen... But I _really_ don't think it was necessary to make them immune. Just a resistance would have sufficed. They tend to do that a lot... Just slap on an immunity for the type they're trying to nerf (they did it with dark type too).
Also, we just don't need a "light type" when fairy already exists. Its basically the same thing.
I mean then rock and ground should be the same type too, they are almost the same
They are not the same. Light can act as so many different things. That fairy would not be able to do in terms of theming.
@@sabercat5490 Like what? What "theming" could Light type possibly have?
A light bulb Pokemon? Electric type. A heavenly angel Pokemon? Fairy or Flying. The opposite of dark type and the emodiment of good? Fairy again. The sun? Fire type. The moon? Fairy or Dark. Light magic? Psychic or Fairy. Ultra Necrozma??? Well okay sure you got me there...
Jokes aside, there is nothing a light type could do for theming that can't already be done better by other types. Ultra Necrozma (literally the embodiment of light) is basically the only instance where Light Type would work better than anything else. And when referencing light itself is your only "theming" that doesn't open up many options for new Pokemon designs.
@@lasercraft32 Light can have an aray of themes. You said light magic when in media presents light magic as, for the most part, something linked the holiness and or the heavenly realm or even the church. On top of that the gods and the church in media have always been the antithesis of fae or fairies. Light can be that of nature like you said the sun, which isnt fire but burning gas that is capable of giving off photons that we call light.
Light in media is considered one of the elements and is seen as pure. Fairies are not pure. They are caring spirits that take care of nature and everything around them but still cause trouble from time to time. A light bulb mon can be both electic/light type cuz electicity creates light, whereas its not light itself.
So basically light type can be the holy type, pure type, the heavenly type, one of the elemental types and the holitically good type.
To add light type can be strong against fairy, dark, ghost and poison but weak to grass and dark. Resisted by fire, electric and ice and steel and water. It could be immune to itself. Light can resist fairy and fighting.
To justify sound type a bit:
- Metal amplifies sound very effectively because of reverb. If sound is amplified by steel, it is super effective to steel.
- Most bugs cannot hear, you could even argue that they’d be immune to sound type!
- Snow is very good at muffling sound, therefore sound would be not very effective to ice.
- Fairy? Yeah… no idea. And I worry that nerfing steel types by adding sound types would only make fairy types stronger, which most people don’t want. I think Sound fixes a lot of smaller issues, but it risks creating one giant issue.
Sound beats Fairy because in the year 2024 the public is vocally upset about fairy tales to the point where even Disney movies are constantly accused of having a woke agenda
Problem solved
I have a new type to beat Steel: Jet Fuel type.
Pretty sure that's just Mega Latias and Latios
@@Mike_Ka-Chowskiand dracapult maybe
Maybe this is why they got rid of G-Max Duraludon and made Archaludon instead 💀
I'm calling it now. Game Freak will probably never add another type, mainly due to balancing reasons, and also because they would need to reapply the new type to older Pokémon and now that there are over 1,000 Pokémon. Yeah I think they're comfortable with the current 18 types.
Reapplying a new type to older types is not actually difficult at all. One intern could accomplish it in all of 10 minutes.
@@Skeloperch but it's GF we are talking about ie. lazy and cutting corners
IN addition, the devs are extremely consistant when it came to adding new types to older mons.
They only ever add the new type as a secondary type like with Gardevoir, or completely change their type if they're normal type. You wont see a light type added because The Light trio wont ever drop a type for a different one
No more new types
Plus there really is no marketing reason to do so. Fairy being introduced made sense cause Pokemon has a large girl fanbase that likes cute stuff.
I feel like a lot of the new type discussion really boils down to "we want a new type cause we think it would be cool". I don't think we solve much from a balancing perspective if we do bring in a new type especially since a lot of ideas are too abstract or don't actually do much without long reaching harder than Decidueye. The 18 types we have are fine and we should be focusing on ways to make the existing type chart better.
Exactly. I think only a few buffs to Ice and Bug would be enough, personally. Bug should resist Fairy or be super-effective against it, or both. Ice should resist Water and maybe Dragon, and do neutral damage against Fire.
Alternate Title: Why Changing the Type Chart is much better than adding a New Type.
High intensity sound waves are already used in real life to weaken or break metals, so making it SE against Steel makes some sense.
The type could be resisted by Ice and Bug, which is also nice.
As for Fairy and Sound: Loud noises destroy natural balance and the harmony of nature.
My problem is why would it be separate from Normal? Normal types along with several other types can use sound attacks but ultimately sound is just a pressure wave and has nothing to it besides that. Heck if anything it's closer to lighting because thunder is a result of thunder heating the air making it rapidly expand.
@@belovedwarrior3192 Why would Rock be separated from Ground? Why is Flying a type and not Wind? Why are some types elements and others kinds of animals?
Heck, Sound is distinct enough from Normal that few would question the split. It's far more different from Ground/Rock for instance.
@@Ivashanko Rock's are based off of geodes like Limestone, Sandstone among others. Meanwhile Ground is based off of soil like Sand (which isn't the same but similar to Sandstone) Mud they are meant to be separate because they fall more into a gaseous/liquid state compared to very solid rock types. Flying is used instead of wind so that they can include Pokemon that can create wind by flapping wings but not actually tied to wind like say a wind spirit Pokemon. Sound feels to me that it is neutral and everybody can make a sound whether by their body or by using things like heat. most Pokemon that are sound themed are just really loud. The others are loud because they are using heat or electricity to create their sound. Heck even steel types could be sound because of the different series of metal instruments. So Sound is all over the place which I feel works against Sound instead of helping it. IMO by the way
@@Ivashanko I didn't do that well of a description explaining the differences between rocks and ground. So I looked up what is the difference between rocks and soil and this is what I got in response Composition: Rocks are made of one or more minerals, while soil is formed of fine rock particles mixed with air, water, and organic matter from dead plants and animals.
Hardness: Rocks are hard, while soil is loose.
Formation: Rocks are formed through geological processes (sedimentary, metamorphic, or igneous), whereas soil is prepared through the disintegration of rocks.
Use: Rocks are used for construction (e.g., walls and foundations), while soil is essential for plant growth12
Fairy, and Electric work as light. We don't need it. We also don't need wind, since they combined birds, wind, and air for Flying, so.... there you go.
As much as psychic and normal worked as fairy
I think flying is the worst idea for a type. Like why? What about Pokémon that fly but don't have flying type? I think they should split it in wind and bird types.
@@s.m.4479 or just have "air" or "wind" type instead of "flying", at least it would make sense then that the ones flying not thanks to air, but some kind of levitation, would be clearly identified
@@samguercho well if you think about it, most flying types are birds amd ultimately getting rid of flying type will cause a major backlash from the fanbase. So I suggest changing the name from "flying" to "bird", remove the type from non bird mons and add a wind/air type.
@@s.m.4479 i m down for that, but then what would be the new offense/defense type resistance spread?
We need another "Eevee" type of Pokémon for the other remaining types (Ground, Ghost, Dragon, Bug, Steel, Rock, Fighting, Flying & Poison).
Charcadet could become the new "Eevee", although Armarouge is a Psychic type
An axe charcadet would be dark/fire. an spear charcadet would be water/fire. And a hammer charcadet would be steel/fire.
I only want a Dragon Eeveelution. Dragon used to be a Special type before the split, and it's the last Special type without an Eeveelution.
Or just give Eevee new evolutions
Alternatively, Eevee itself is normal type which used to be physical but evolves into what used to be special as said above. So instead of a dragon eeveelution, a new mon who is base dragon (OG special) and evolves into all physical types. Gives one base form and 8 evolutions, just like Eevee.
Maybe I'm trying to make something work out of nothing but if they were to add sound I think it could work as follows:
1. Resisted by bug since they often make sound (as mentioned in video)
2. Super Effective on Steel as the vibrations of sound can cause steel to become weaker/loose.
3. Super Effective against Fairy as since they are associated with fairy tales and sort of dream like situations, a loud sound can wake you up and therefore end the fairy tale.
4. Resisted by Dark as darkness doesn't care if there's sound and in space where it often considered dark, there is little to no sound.
I'd also make Electric super effective against Steel and have Rock now also be super effective against Electric.
I don't think I'd actually want this, but it's something I could see helping the type issues of everything.
Why and how would Rock be super effective against Electric? Also i feel bug should be strong against Fairy.
Also give sound an immunity to sleep
At the end of the day everyone forgets that Pokemons target is kids first and foremost, and 18 types is already a lot to memorize for a kid.
I'd probably find it easier as a kid than I do as an adult.
Should be less types. Like ground/Stone Should be EARTH TYPE,
@@alexandresmgc374 Just as a meme:
- Poison and Ghost should just be Dark type;
- Bug, Flying and Fighting should just be Normal;
- Ice should just be Water;
- Electric could just be Fire (or combine them into "Energy/Plasma type");
- Psychic could just be Fairy (or even make both of them Normal type);
- Plant and Steel could both be part of Earth type;
- Dragons could be Dark type.
Reducing the type chart to mere 5 types: Fire, Earth, Water, Normal and Dark.
@@sophiasabkv1372 hahaha genius
Doble types makes it that there are over 100 types.
I would say these are the current issues with the Type Chart that are in urgent need of addressing, be it by re-balancing the current type match-ups or by adding a new type:
Ice Type: Too many weaknesses and not a single resistance that it can actually make use of. Beforehand it was arguable this was a balancing choice due to their niche of being the only type with a strictly positive match-up against Dragons but even if that were the case, they were still weak back then and that reason is obsolete now that the Fairy Types have taken that niche. If there is a type that needs a defensive buff, it's ice, take away some of its weaknesses and give it some proper resistances for god's sake;
Bug Type: Too many Types resist it, that is pretty much it, take away some Types' resistance to Bugs and they would not be top tier but would definitely be infinitely more usable;
Poison Type: In a weird situation where it just falls a little bit short in both offensive and defensive properties, it is not terrible in either department, just sorta weak in both;
Rock Type: Similar to Ice, too many weaknesses albeit not as bad as it does have some resistances. Another issue unrelated to Type match-ups is also that Rock lacks good moves that are accurate, which is another area it needs a buff in.
There are also some types that are far from downright bad but could use a little help, mainly Grass, Psychic and Fighting. Again, none of them are downright bad, if we lived in a world they were the three worst types in the game as they are it would mean the type chart is pretty balanced all things considered.
I have some suggestions.
Ice should have been super effective against Water-Types for very obvious reasons. Ice should be able to resist Steel-Type Pokemon as most metal freeze on ice and the harsh cold. Most bugs and most people and normal animals can't survive the cold, I would also make Ice-Type super effective against Bug and Normal-Type Pokemon (which the latter of the two I think needs more weaknesses and types that resist it as it's the most basic type). To make the Ice-Type chart healthier, I would make Ice resist and be resisted by Rock and Fighting-Type Pokemon and making Fire-Types their only weakness.
Poison should have been super effective against Bug and Normal-Type Pokemon for pretty obvious reasons.
Bug-Types I would take away 2 types that they're super effective against, Grass and Psychic-Type. I would instead make them super effective against Ground, Dark, Ghost and Dragon-Types. Make Bug resist and be resisted by both Grass and Fairy-Types and make them no longer be resisted by Fighting-Types and do neutral damage instead, same thing for the relationship between Bug and Psychic-Type.
Rock, where do I start? Rock should have ABSOLUTELY be super effective against Steel-Types because rocks can and will wreck most metal and steel and also can turn metal tools into rust (like ground, dirt and soil do), make them resist and be resisted by Ground and Fighting-Type Pokemon. This makes Pokemon like Diancie no longer having the x4 Steel-Type weakness (making Rock/Fairy-Type be weak to only Water and Grass-Types).
the thing with Ice type is, all 4 types that are super effective on it make sense, Fire melts Ice, Fighting/Rock/Steel crushes Ice
Yeah, ice could use one or more resistance. Ice should resist water (just like water resists ice) and maybe flying?
For rock, I wonder if making it immune to fire would work?
For bug and grass, make them resist fairy (because fairies don't usually damage nature). Remove the bug resistance for fairy.
And if you want to nerf steel a bit, just remove one of its resistances (like they did with Ghost and Dark in gen 6). Dragon maybe?
@saskiaviking9447 Or alternatively make Bug and Fairy-Types Pokemon resist each other since fairies often befriend bugs and some species of bugs are a part of some fairies' diets, and there are bugs that harm fairies as well. Grass and Bug-Types should resist each other instead of the latter be super effective against the former (execpt for Infestation) as some plants eat bugs (fly traps for example) and some insects and bugs help plants and crops rather than damaging them.
Rock should resist Fighting and Ice-Types and also be resisted by them at the same time. And also make them super effective against Steel-Types because for similar reasons to why Steel is weak to Ground-Type Pokemon (with the execption of some Steel-Type moves that can resist Rock-Types better than others).
Ice-Types should resist Fighting and Rock-Types and resist them back as ice can break rock formations and plently of fighters who can't stand the cold and get frost bites and vice versa. I would make them super effective against Water-Types as ice beats water (with moves that involve hot water cancelling out the weakness, especially Volcanian's signature move) and Normal-Type Pokemon as most normal animals and most normal people can't adapt to the cold. I would make them resist Steel-Type Pokemon instead of be weak to it because most metal freeze and get frost, making them not work properly. Or alternately, make them super effective against Steel-Types for those reasons (only few Steel-Type moves will be able to resist Ice-Types). I would make them super effective against Bug-Type Pokemon because most bugs can't survive the cold.
Speaking of Normal-Type Pokemon, I think they should also be weak to Poison-Types as well as Ice and Fighting-Type Pokemon and get resisted by Fire, Water, Dark, Bug and Electric-Types. Fire because fire burns people and animals, dark and Bug since most people are scared of the dark and bugs (instead of making Psychic-Type weak to bugs, why not make them take neutral damage and make them resist Normal-Type Pokemon instead), water as most people can't survive huge waves and are not expert swimners and electric because most people can get strikes with electricity, especially lighting.
Honestly almost all of these can be solved by splitting Poison into Poison and Acid/Nuclear
The steel problem isnt that big of a deal, it doesn't have incredibly strong moves like draco meteor, ourage, etc and its weaknesses are some of the most common offensive types (earthquake, fire blast, flare blitz, flamethrower)
Plus fighting, which has a whooooooole bunch of really strong ridiculously common moves and is an extremely common type overall.
"it doesn't have incredibly strong moves like draco meteor, ourage, etc"
Steel Beam says hello.
@@BloodwyrmWildheart Steel Beam is strong...but it's not run a lot of the time due to it's risk of always using up half the user's HP, which always happen if the move misses or get's blocked by protect.
So Steel Beam is just too risky to rely on a lot of the time, which is why steel types prefer to stick to Flash Cannon as it's the safer and more consistent option
This doesn't help with balance, but conceptually I'm surprised that more people don't consider separating Flying into Bird and Wind. I guess you can see it as Flying being like Fairy where it's a single concept that can encompass multiple things, but almost every element system in other media has some form of wind. It's always felt weird that Pokemon lumps it in with Flying.
Due to new abilites in Gen 9 wind is already a sub catagory spanning not only Flying but also Fire, Ice, Grass, Ground, Electric and Fairy. Albiet three of them are due to the forces of Nature's New signature moves. Also Flying was originally the bird type before Gamefreak realized that more things than birds fly.
huh?? Bird is just a type of animal. Should we have Dog type and Cat type next? what a dumb idea
@@ttan7293 Normally I would agree with you, but Bird was actually a scrapped type at one point, presumably before Flying was expanded to include non-bird related options. That being said, it’s not every day when an entire Type gets scrapped, so you’re probably on to something.
Problems with the type chart could pretty easily solved with just a few changes. Make psychic supereffective into steel(with psychic attacks going through steel, or the whole spoon bending thing), make bug resist fairy and psychic and make it neutral into ghost and fairy, and make ice resist water. I think all of these make intuitive sense, at least more than what we have currently, like why the hell does steel resist psychic? At the very least it should be neutral. This is probably the best way to fix the type chart currently.
Although… I do think light COULD work as a new type, if only barely. At the very least, light is way better than sound as a new type.
First of all, there are ~ thirty lines/individual pokemon that work with the light type while there are max like 25 that work with sound. Not that that is a big difference, but its something. Then, adding sound doesn’t really help the type chart much. I think the best it could do is be weak to bug and good into water, and maybe be weak to ice because of sound traveling less far in the cold? Sound would also basically have to be good into psychic since sound disrupts concentration and psychic already sucks. Light would be better since it could help bug, grass, ice, and rock(and ground) by hitting them for neutral(bugs like light, plants feed on light, ice reflects light, and rocks and ground mute light). Light also doesn’t need to beat dark, you can have light be supereffective against dark and dark be supereffective against light.
Ok, but here’s the big thing. Adding sound comes with a bunch of other problems. First of all, it already exists in the game so stuff like throat spray and throat chop would have to either be reworked or removed. Then the problem of moves comes in. What do you do for a move like bug buzz? It already works perfectly as a bug type sound based move. By adding the sound type you would actually be taking something away from the move(either bug or sound). On top of that, you basically completely remove the only strong normal type special moves. Adding light as a type doesn’t come with any big problems like that. Basically all the potential light moves come from different types and could pretty cleanly be transformed into light type. And since light moves don’t exist, there isn’t the problem that sound has with sound based moves.
Now to be fair, in order for light to work it would have to embody several ideas, similar to how flying represents literal flight, as well as wind, or how fighting is both martial arts and justice. For light I think this would mean it would represent physical light like xurkitree, as well as divinity like arceus, and general daytime stuff like lycanrock day form.
In any case, I would prefer a simple revamp of the type chart, I just wanted to say that sound as a type SUCKS and light is much better.
There is a problem with the Sound type: There are plenty of non-normal sound based moves and all of them, even the normal ones, are not Physical moves, only Special and Status. Non-Normal type includes: Metal Sound Steel, Grass Whistle Grass, Bug Buzz Bug, Snarl Dark, Disarming Voice Fairy, Parting Shot Dark, Sparkling Aria Water, Clanging Scales Dragon, Clangorous Soulblaze Dragon, Clangorous Soul Dragon, Overdrive Electric, Eerie Spell Psychic, Torch Song Fire, Alluring Voice Fairy, Psychic Noise Psychic. What are we going to do with them? And no, don't retcon them and give them the “Flying Press” treatment.
Actually, that's a good point: what would a physical Sound-type move even be?
@@robertlupa8273maybe a clap rigth at your face, but idk, that's quick idea
@@aaronculebro8672 Actually that move does exist. It's called Fake Out I think...
@@robertlupa8273 kind of a strech but i just thought of it and i felt like it could somewhat work idk
Mob Call: The user produces a sound that alerts mobs. The mobs attack the opponent.
since you arent using sound to hit them but rather using sound to call physical entities that attack the opponent, it can be physical
I think we can give them the flying press treatment but differently.
The move shouldn't be fight AND flying but fight OR flying depending of the enemy.
That pretty better don't you think ?
Of all the fan-made types that people have come up with, the only two that can stand on their own is the Cosmic type & the Synthetic type, purely because they make logical sense, with extraterrestrial Pokémon and Pokémon made out of cardboard, plastic, paper, 3D polygons, etc.
Sound fits perfectly as a property of moves, Light is too similar to Fairy, Mystic is too similar to Psychic, Nuclear is too similar to Poison, and Crystal is too similar to Rock. Plus, with Nuclear & Crystal, we now have Stellar as a type that is basically "Hits every type for at least neutral."
when you think of it, even cosmic and synthetic don't hold up because they can easily be covered by other types.
psychic already holds most cosmic pokemon, and if it's not psychic then it's clafairy or an UB/Paradox which are bound to have different types.
meanwhile synthetic fits mainly to be spread out between grass, electric, water, steel and poison as differing products are made from such things.
cardboard and paper are grass, code and polygons are electric (idk why porigon is no electric type), plastic is easy poison as a pollution mon and i can go on.
Wait! Sound makes so much sense. Think it as vibrations. Just how with perfect frequency sound you can break glass, same as for steel. And whats an earthquake it's vibrations underground between tectonic plates. Energy travels faster via medium with closely packed molecules.
Sound Super effective on - Steel, ground, fire, water, electric.
Sound resisted by - grass, rock, ice, ghost, bug since they are mostly air and air trapped inside them which is a bad conductor of sound.
Types super effective on sound - grass, flying, psychic, bug, rock (they dampen the vibrations or doesn't care)
Types not effective on sound - electric ( needs flow of electrons but vibrations acts a resistance)
Ghost and ground (water if needed)
If you don't mind me asking, why would Sound types resist Ghost? I'm rather curious about that tbh 🤔.
@@glaudragonlord1896I think it may be due to the fact ghost hunters tend to use a lot of sound/vibrational based devices in ghost hunting. EMFs monitor for changes in the electromagnetic frequency which is just a type of frequency similar in vain to radio waves, spirit boxes and evps can allow ghosts to communicate utilizing sound and radio frequencies, rem pods much like EMFs monitor for changes in the electromagnetic frequency but just around the rem pod itself. Ovulus is basically a spirit box but filtering out the static of the rapid radio frequency changes.
@@adventurekitty101 Ohh 😯! That actually makes sense. Ngl, I kinda forgot those ghost hunting devices exist 😅. Thanks for taking your time to answer my question. I find it very meaningful 😊.
I actually think sound should be super effective against steel.
Think about reverberation.
Steel conducts electricity too but it's not weak to electric
@Mike_Ka-Chowski steel is more inorganic pokemon than organic, and they must be used to conducting electricity so it doesn't nearly effect them as much as other types.
Meanwhile loud sounds can destroy things and disable devices, and since it is more of a hemorrhage than a clean cut like steel, it can be more effective (just watch grogginess stupid video for why scream tail getting far in terminalmontage's paradox battle "makes sense"
Fairy did need to happen, but I also don't think it should be immune to dragon. Maybe just resist. Because fairy didn't really balance the type chart. It just replaced dragon as the strongest thing, and resulted in some pretty unfortunate centralization around the type. It's a bit better now, 3 gens out, but fairy types still tend to be disproportionately powerful.
In response to this video, I submit to you the romhack Pokemon: Too Many Types. That is all.
We’re not getting a new type unless we need a new type and currently we definitely don’t need a new one. We need rebalancing.
Hi, I'm from the future. In gen 12 they introduced gold and diamond types. Every pokemon can become it, they hit everything super effective and resist everything. You just have to pay 2.99/4.99 per pokemon you want to have it
Fairy should’ve been resistant to dragon, not immune.
I am also a fan of sound type but here are some other suggestions:
1) Spin or Rotation: Similar to Flying, it is a movement-inspired type and works for Pokémon like Spinda, Brambleghast and Hisuian Liligant. This type's moves are super-effective against Steel, Rock, Dragon and Water (because they are mass-based types), not very effective against Fire, Bug, Flying and Ground (as spinning is not an issue to them), and useless against Psychic since its telekinetic powers and non-reliance on physical sense doesn't care about the direction. Pokémon of this type are weak to Fire, Poison and Ground (since they either amplify the damage or mess up the movement) and resist Steel, Rock, Dragon and Water.
2) Crystal or Glass: This material type is already integrated into the designs of several Rock, Psychic and Dark Pokémon such as Diancie, Starmie and Sableye, and we also saw the Crystal Onix in a Pokémon anime episode before, so this could be justified to introduce it. This type's moves are super-effective against Fairy (disorienting and hard surface) and Ghost (amulets as protectants), and weak to Rock, Steel and Fighting (stronger material/force). The type resists Fairy, Fire (strong heat resistance or melts on top of it), Flying, Grass and Bug (window glass protected from outside animals/plants coming in), and Pokémon of this type are unaffected by Ghost type attacks.
3) Magnetic or Cohesion: Several Steel and Electric types like the Magnemite line, Minun, Plusle and Probopass share this concept so this could be a chance to separate it as its own type. The idea behind this type is an abstract but very real concept of sticking together and creating forces from polarisation. This type's moves are super-effective against Steel, Fighting and Flying (causes disorientation) and Electric (redirection), not effective against Water and Grass, and useless against Dark and Ghost (since they aren't affected by it physically or mentally). Magnetic Pokémon resist Steel and Electric, but are weak to Water, Dark and Ghost.
What we need specifically is something that beats and resists Steel and Fairy, resists Dragon, is weak and resisted by Grass and Bug, is resisted by Ice, and is weak to Poison. What the heck would THAT be?
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I spent way too long looking into this comment, but I feel like a revamped version of Water could do at least half of these.
@@bdt2002gaming Explain.
Sound could be supereffective against steel, water, and psychic and resisted by rock, bug, and ghost. As for defensively, it resisting steel and rock would make sense, and it could be weak to psychic and ghost. As for reasons:
Sound travels through water and most metals MORE efficiently than air, and loud noises disrupt the focus of psychic types, as well as hurting their sensitive senses.
Many bugs aren't affected by loud noises, and rock for the most part dampens or reflects sound. Ghosts also typically aren't effected by loud noises very much.
Resisting steel and rock is because loud sounds pass through (aren't effected by) steel, and bounce away from rocks.
Weakness-wise, sound is intangible, so it makes sense that ghosts and psychics would hit it effectively.
As far as balancing goes, giving ghost and psychic a third type to hit super-effective would serve them well, the same goes with giving them a third resistance. This also serves to buff the rock type defensively, which it somewhat needs, as well as nerfing it offensively (which it, and more importantly steath rocks, also somewhat need.) The interactions with steel are both obvious and would serve to nerf steel somewhat, as are it being the third weakness of water. Giving bug type a resistance to such an otherwise strong type serves to help it defensively, same as already mentioned with rock type.
I think implementing sound in this way would make it a serviceable 19th type that helps check two of the strongest types. balance out some more middling types, and hopefully elevate the bug type beyond what it currently is. Unrelated, but make poison super-effective against water too, seriously why isn't it already?
They could just keep Stellar, and simply make it so Stellar Pokemon are weak to other Stellar Pokemon. So pretty much making it like Ghost type in Gen 1. As for Pokemon thatll be changed into Stellar? Ditto, Arceus, Regigigas, Genesect and Type-Null.
Ditto, Regi, Arceus and Type could be Normal/Stellar while Genesect gets Stellar/Bug in base form.
And they can have so Stellar Pokemon gets stab for all types lmao. (This is why it should become a legendary only typing.
Sound and Light = Wave
You can call it wave type and you can choose between more things for designs and attacks,
no idea what their interactions between types would be like
At the same time, since it is very general, you can ignore parts of it at your convenience and people probably won't notice.
Cosmic = there are some pokemon that could go in... but a pokemon shouldn't be a type because it comes from space, and things like meteors or stars are easily covered by other types
Nuclear = Expecific, how do you justify that there are too many pokemons of this type without having to resort to "blame of nuclear contamination"
Time = Just not
In the end I say that if there is a new type, it should benefit the ice and/or bug type (in addition to obviously nerfing the overpower type which is the reason for its existence), I mean, a Technology type would probably be weak to Bug,
Besides, there are already a few pokemons that could become that type, along with some attacks, and it is an excuse for several different designs... although now that paradox pokemons exist, it would probably be impossible, it would basically make them less unique by half. of special pokemons of the ninth gen
In general, there is no room for a new type, the options... are not good enough, or directly bad
While I wouldn’t mind the addition of another type of- even it’s one that makes less sense to me - I also doubt that we’ll get another any time soon. The only reasons I can see it happening is if the developers want to shake things up a bit again, or it’s to ensure that things are a bit more equal. Saying that, I also believe that it’s more the specific Pokémon that throw off game balance rather than just the type itself. Flutter mane is as much a threat in the meta as it is because of its stats as much as its typing.
Sound beating Fairy and Water makes sense to me. Fairies are dainty, peaceful creatures that would be adverse to harsh, grating noises, while shockwaves are far more lethal underwater.
Sound could give defensive utility to Rock, Ice (solid, unmoving elements) and Bug (creatures that are already super noisy).
... However, Steel would absolutely resist Sound, which is an issue. No clue what Sound would be weak to, either, other than itself and maybe Psychic (which could create their own shockwaves to "destroy/cancel out" sounds).
Steel amplifies sound due to reverberation, and most bugs can’t hear sound like that.
@@kghostthegreat In that case, we'd go back to Rock and Ice being weak to it too, wouldn't we? Or, at least Ice.
Maybe there could be a "Resonance" move that acts like Freeze-Dry. Super Effective against Steel, Ice and Rock, instead of being resisted.
Gen 1 - 15 Types
Gen 2 - 2 Types
Gen 6 - 1 Type.
Gen 1 - 1 pseudo-type (Bird)
Gen 2 - 1 pseudo-type (???)
Gen 3 - 1 pseudo-type (Shadow)
Gen 9 - 1 pseudo-type (Stellar)
@@UltimateFunBilly
You're Right.
I think my main gripe with Sound type is that any argument you could make for a type being a weakness could also work for it being a resistance. Like Steel, Rock, Ground, all of these are solid surfaces that block or dampen sound so they could be resistances, but also enough sound can take down buildings made of these things, so would they be weaknesses? I think so many new type concepts are just too abstract as you said. Only one I could possibly see is Virtual maybe because at least with that there is a lot to cover, it could easily work to buff Bug types because of the idea of a computer virus/bug in programming, idk if it would necessarily nerf Steel, but I think it could buff Bug & Poison for sure
The funny thing is, despite Gen 2 bringing in 2 new types that are both weak to Fighting, it took until Gen 3 for that to become actually good as that was mostly used to counter Normal before then (part of why Steel was brought in the first place)
but steel was also used to counter psychic as well since it was broken in gen 1, sure dark was the main counter to psychic, but steel did help.
but you aren't wrong that it took until gen 3 for fighting to truly be a steel counter since back in gen 2, the best fighting move was cross chop...which was exclusive to Machamp
I am ngl Stellar type is underwhelming. I rarely ever see it being used other then using Tera Blast with contrary mons like Serperior or Enamorous.
Stellar Chien-Pao and Flutter Mane are pretty common and useful
Stellar Chien Pao with Focus Sash can use the single time STAB boosts and focus more on offense
Stellar Flutter Mane is just there to D Gleam or Moon Blast Miraidon/Koraidon or Stellar Blast them if Terra for consistent Super Effective damage and it's immunities to there STABs
Also to KO terra restricted immediately as well
I think sound would actually work very well for bug and steel if you think about it more like sound waves and vibrations. Many insects have limited or no hearing and are uneffected by loud sounds(this could straight up even be built in soundproof). While steel carries vibrations throughout itself or they just penetrate the hard surface.
Could also have strong counters to things like water too if you did a bit of stretching with the vibration.
Sound travels farther in water as well
I feel like sound could be super effective on steel since sound travels faster through solids, bug could be super effective on sound because that annoying sound mosquitoes make in your ear. Might be a stretch but there's already a lot of stretches in Pokémon types
THANK YOU! We don't need the Light and Sound types. They are so unnecessary. I still don't understand why people want them so bad.
The problem with Bug is that too many types resist it. Giving it one new type to be supereffective against doesn't help if half the opponent's team still resists it, making switches against it too easy. It sucks offensively and one good interaction isn't going to change that. The better solution would be imo to make Bug a defensive type. It already has a super valuable resistance against Ground, giving it a few more might really make it valuable as a secondary type for defensive purposes. Giving Bug a resistance to Fairy and Ghost would really help the type imo since both of those resistances would be really valuable and both of those types could also use the nerf.
To nerf Steel, I think it should be weak to Water, since wetness makes it rust. To balance out water, it should also gain a new weakness in turn, and I propose Poison. Poison could definitely use the buff, and with pollution and with acidification due to climate change, more and more water reservoirs are becoming toxic and killing their inhabitants. This interaction thus already has a match in the real world and could serve as a grim reminder of the value of nature, just like Cursola already does (so we have in-game precedent for that too).
Something I can definitely see GameFreak doing when adding a new type is to make them Legendary exclusive, somewhat similar to Terapagos, where despite them having their own strengths and weaknesses, it doesn’t throw the entire type matchup off balance since it’s only exclusive to that one Pokemon
I feel like they wouldn’t change a Pokémon type of it isn’t monotype (keeping the original type while adding the new secondary type) or normal (replacing normal with the new type) so I don’t see them replacing necrozma psychic type with and other type for example
Make Bug super effective against Normal. I wanna see some chaos.
*sees the way my wife’s family reacts to a cockroach* yeah, that tracks
After hearing you say that fairy is fine, tbh I kind of agree. It is definitely on the good side of things but honestly I think they need to nerf Moonblast instead. Make it 90 BP with only a 10% drop, just make it a flamethrower clone post gen 6. 95BP with no drawback and pretty broken secondary effect is just not okay.
There’s physical fairies like Azu, Grimmsnarl, Granbull and they are completely fine. Most fairies just get away with clicking Moonblast.
I would not mind another type or two later down the line assuming it makes sense and fits in with the rest. But I am fairly sure there will never be a Sound or Light type, mostly because they are already covered by other types.
Sound is already covered by the Normal-type as a lot of Pokemon that has sound-related themes, such as Jigglypuff, Exploude amd Meloetta are all Normal-type (except for Kricketot and Kricktune) and Light is already covered by the Fairy and Electric-type, such as Lanturn, Dedenne, Heliolisk and Shiinotic.
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Regardless of what types are objectively good, dragon and fairy are my favorite types. I also really like water and steel types. Flying is also cool.
I generally agree with your stance, but I do think Sound could beat Steel, realistically. The big thing to consider is resonant frequencies: while most recognizable in an Opera Singer breaking glass with their voice, you also see it in things like the Millennium Bridge which was damaged by resonant frequency while being mostly Steel. Yes, that resonant frequency was from footfalls, not sound, but the underlying logic seems to me to be at least as good as a lot of other semi-dubious type interactions.
Yeah, new types are introduced to put massively overpowered types in check. We don't have a situation like that right now, so there's no real need for anything new.
The Kalos type chart really should be the forever type chart. Change should come by adding individual pokemon, abilities, and held items to rebalance the meta.
A better question is when will we get the next Eevee evolution?
@@edgargaebolg9307 But Steel was never a Special type.
@@miikaroos3809 True
In addition to the "bug beat fairy" change, I'd like to suggest "Bug Resist Dragon"
Now this might just be my Fire Emblem Awakening brain but I think of a massive beast like a dragon actually struggling to catch a tiny annoying pest being reasonable explanation ,plus it fits a nice "The little bug at the beginning of your adventure has a strong match up against the endgame dragons" cyclical vibe.
Maybe
That... actually doesn't sound too bad, huh. I still disagree with Bug beating Fairy _(I don't really see why Bugs would be a threat to nature-loving sprites _*_or_*_ creepy folk tale creatures; a resist would make more sense, same with Grass resisting Fairy),_ but Bug resisting Dragon sounds pretty fun.
It is difficult to implement, but SOUND is the only type that I think may be possible to introduce.
For steel, although it occurs in specific circumstances, sound does affect metal structures, this is due to vibrations that can alter the structure or shape of metals, this is called: "Vibration fatigue", so ...can be effective if you look at it from that perspective.
IMO, the main problem with sound is that it's already a classification for moves (see the ability Soundproof).
Honestly, JPR just straight spitting facts today. We don't need a new type at the moment, we just don't.
his opinions for me are 99% well received ngl, we both share the same opinions a lot of times
I completely agree
I hope they make type reactions/synergies like how the elemental pledges work. For example, when a pokemon is hit with an ice-type move after it was previously hit with a water-type will become more susceptible to getting frozen. This will open up a whole lot of opportunities for type interactions.
Or better yet, they have to make more moves that counter their own weaknesses like how Freeze-Dry works against water-types.
Sound is a lot better for the type balancing than you think. First and foremost it'll most likely be neutral to steel, as sound and steel don't really interact, but sound does interact with water and the air so it'll be super effective to water and flying, but would also deal super effective damage to fairy due to sound pollution. Not only that but a type like bug would be buffed because of one key factor, most bugs in real life are deaf. So bug type would actually be immune to sound type, this was even shown in a johto special wher a trainer had her Jigglypuff sing at a beedrill but it didn't effect it at all, the reason was because of beedrills wing but we can say bugs are immune. We can also make ice type resists sound as sound waves travel slower in colder Temps! So actually sound is almost perfect
But sound is already a mechanic in the games.
And the interactions with other types are hypothetical, you can make sound super effective to every type: rock, ice and steel because sound travels faster in solid objects; psychic because you can't think with loud noises; fighting and normal because loud noises stun normal and trained people; poison because music can cure illness; ground because dirt can be move with sound waves ...
There are plenty of non-normal sound type moves that are Special and Status, no Physical: Metal Sound Steel, Grass Whistle Grass, Bug Buzz Bug, Snarl Dark, Disarming Voice Fairy, Parting Shot Dark, Sparkling Aria Water, Clanging Scales Dragon, Clangorous Soulblaze Dragon, Clangorous Soul Dragon, Overdrive Electric, Eerie Spell Psychic, Torch Song Fire, Alluring Voice Fairy, Psychic Noise Psychic. What are we going to do with them? And no, don't retcon them and give them the “Flying Press” treatment.
@@jmhguy There are plenty of moves that could be different types. A good example is the move darkest lariat, incineroars signature move. It's a dark type attack because it's a clothesline from hell, a specific type of lariat, but it could also be a fighting type attack because it's a lariat. Strength could be a fighting type attack, sandstorm can be ground, bulldoze can be steel, etc. Essentially just figure out which one makes more sense. Fire punch is a punch so it can be considered a fighting type attack BUT it's specifically a punch made of fire so it's fire. A move like bug buzz would most likely stay bug due to it specifically being the buzzing of a bug's wings so that makes sense for it to be bug and not sound. Moves like snarl and clanging scales would be made into the new sound type because they are not specific to a type, clanging scales is just a pokemon clanging its scales, not specifically dragon scales. It's just that only a dragon type learns it.
@@captaincaterpie but bug buzz still makes a sound so it has to change into the sound type
@@captaincaterpie there like 5 sound special attacks not connected to a type, and a few status like growl that doesn't matter the type, so an only special type
The rest of the moves are connected to other types, for example clangorous scales it's a sound move but it uses scales that are a dragon theme and the purple dragon energy like the other dragon moves, it isn't a generic sound move that needs a type to better represent it
The other problem is the sound mechanics,¿ the moves that wouldn't change type would still benefit from punk rock? And most sound based pokemon already have two types that represent them well like primarina, skelerdirge, toxtricity, noivern, seismitoad... The other new types only replaced the normal type. It would limit what a sound based pokemon can be.
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3:25 JPR I love ya but “finna lit?” Do not let bro use slang again 💀 hahahaha jokes aside loved the video as usual!
I think I’ve come up with a type that answers all of your prompts. The Digital Type
There’s really only 1, maybe two species of Pokémon associated with cyberspace and computers. The Porygon line can easily be changed into Digital or Normal/Digital, and Rotom can also be Electric/Digital or conversely Digital/Ghost.
It’s unique enough from something like Psychic or Electric to fit into its own unique theme
Digital doesn’t just need to pertain to computers. They can use sound waves/vibrations (some music, specifically edm, is made with oscillators), geometric shapes, numbers, maybe even a randomness luck factor might be fitting for the theme
And for the type interactions:
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Weaknesses
-Bug: a lot of the weaknesses are more for the puns. Bugs make computer programs and coding all messed up
-Poison: Viruses, self explanatory
-Fire: Overheating causes them to mess up and their batteries to drain faster
-Ice: Computers freezing
-Water: Water messes up their circuits
Resistances
-Steel: Computers are made with metal
-Electric: Powers up computers and charges their batteries. Could be an immunity
-Psychic, Dragon, and/or Fairy: a bit of a stretch, but logic and science refutes magic and fantasy
Super Effective against
-Steel: I feel like because computers can be associated with steel, it’s the fact that steel can be at the mercy of technology
-Fairy: idk it just feels right
Resisted by
-Fire
-Water
-Ice
-Clearly with a lack of resistant types as well as quite a list of weaknesses that it can function similarly to a mix of Dragon and Ice, being a glass cannon with little types that resist it and little to hit for super effective damage as well, but also a bit of types threaten it. Ice also get to have a nice defensive niche/buff being one of 3 types to resist Digital attacks
Thoughts?
I always thought Dark was weak to Bug because the devs thought it would be funny. XD
I thought it was because bugs are gigachads.
@@bobbydhopp65 Maybe its both. I don't think they're mutually exclusive XD
Id just turn all sound moves into flying moves aince thw flying type encompasses not only the ability to fly but also manipulation of the air. Sound is causeong the ear to vibrate. I just want Swelliw and. Noivern to have stab boomburst.
I've always maintained that Normal should've been super effective against Fairy. An average, ordinary person can capture a fairy in a bottle or a net. It would've given Normal a much-needed offensive boost in these modern times where Normal hasn't been a top dog type in seven generations.
That would make Fairy-type basically unusable during storyline gameplay though.
I've said that too, although my logic was that magic disappears when nobody believes in it
Natural versus supernatural, Normal versus abnormal
The normal type is made more to cause NORMAL damage to everyone. I'm thinking more about Fairy being able to hit ghosts and also having more resistances and less weak matchups. Just make resistance to the fairy Normal, because normal people trust flattery more than the hard truth
No, I disagree. I think Normal-Types and Fairy-Types should have stayed neutral. We don't need to nerf the Fairy-Types, it's Steel-Types that needs to be nerfed ASAP.
6:32 the way I rationalized steel being strong to the ghost and dark type is:
Dark has a similar reason, I'm my head, to the fairy/dark matchup today, just with knights and some superheroes in place of fairies.
In some ghost stories, they use mirrors to keep ghosts at bay and to capture them, and steel is arguably the closest thing to mirrors we have, outside of MAYBE sand-based ground types
Steel would be super weak to Sound. In my job we use sound waves to break up steel columns. Sound is just vibrations. Our brains are just tuned to work out those vibrations to make what we call sound.
I agree with you though really zero need for a new type at the moment. Bug type needs more love first before anything gets added.
Your talk on ideas on sound inspured me since I disagree with how it would be affected by steel. I'm curious if sound was added with the following effects to other types, how it would deal. Would it worsen or improve the game?
Strong to: Water, Ground, Rock, Steel
Resistant by: Electric, Ice, Ghost
Immune by: Bug,
Nuetral to: Grass, Fire, Flying, Poison, Fighting, Psychic, Dragon, Dark, Fairy
GRASS: Nuetral. Sound can affect some plants to grow worse or better, though it varies from species to species.
FIRE: Sound can be used to extinguish fire. However, sound travels faster in heat. Therefore, I think it should be neutral.
WATER: Sound travels faster through liquids. Therefore, it would be hurt more by sound.
BUG: Many bugs don't use sound to navigate. Therefore, should be immune.
NORMAL: Neutral
FLYING: Birds use sound to communicate, though I don't see it hurting them.
POISON: Nuetral
ELECTRIC: Sound can be converted into electricity. So it should resist sound.
GROUND: Sound travels faster through earth. Therefore, it would be hurt more by sound.
FIGHTING: Nuetral. Sound can affect the preforming of a fighter but also increase adrenaline.
PYSCHIC: Nuetral. Sound can improve concentration while also distracting.
ROCK: Sound travels faster through solids. Therefore, it would be hurt more by sound.
ICE: Sound travels slower in cold. There for should resist sound.
GHOST: Some sounds are associated with haunting and spiritual chants. Therefore, they may be affected less by its effects.
DRAGON: Nuetral. Sound shouldn't affect them too much
DARK: Nuetral. Sound shouldn't affect evil.
STEEL: Sound travels faster through solids. Therefore, it would be hurt more by sound.
FAIRY: Nuetral. Sound shouldn't affect them too much
Instead of adding new types,gamefreak should work on balancing the weak and strong types
Fairy is the best type in the game and it needs a nerf.
Flutter mane's domination in VGC says it all
Weaker types like Bug and Ice need a rework on type charts
Ghost moves needs an another resistance,its the best offensive type in the game
Tbf Flutter Mane being broken is less due to its type and moreso that GameFreak thought 135 SpAtk, SpDef and Speed were balanced. For VGC Fire, Water and Steel give it major competition for the top spot and for singles Water, Steel and Ghost does the same
@@albabimam1114 true
Dragon makes sense being strong because they usually take forever to evolve, just don't make as many of them.
(and do something for those who play competitive)
Why would steel resist sound, Given the right frequencies and pitches and a powerful enuff speaker of sorts you can shatter steel the same way an opera Singer can shatter a wine glass.
Yeeeah, as interesting as getting a new type could be... it'd basically just be too gimmicky, and make our current types unbalanced again.
Even though Fairy types were added so long ago, it STILL feels like we're balancing them out alone. So another new type on top of that could basically break the system.
I also just feel like most ideas for new types are too... one dimensional? Like Light type could've been cool, but Fairy basically fulfilled that purpose. And something like "Sound" would probably only apply to so many existing mons, and the ones made for it would be too on the nose. Its not as broad as the Fairy type weirdly.
Sound type can be super effective on both steel and fairy, vibration spread into metals (and for the same logic sound can be super effective on water too), about fairy, the power of music is known to be very powerful in fairytale worlds and can surpass any being. The sound type can be weak against the electro (the lightning comes before the thunder), against the fire type because a flame extinguishes the air that spread the vibrations (here the association is a little more complex). I can also think of other interactions based only on logic and not on an actual need for balance with most types, among the most valid with psycho, ghost and grass
Honestly Fairy type was a mistake, they needed do to some actual game balancing within types and adjust moves so that some of them weren't spammable anymore.
For start changing Outrage to be a recoil move to be more inline Flare blitz and Volt tackle so it damages you, meaning that pokemon KO's itself after using a few times.
They made many mistakes with the typings, rock and ground should just be earth, flying should be wind, and does poison really needed to be a type? Fairy could be light, or magic or something
@@ratedr7845 I think having Ground and rock types be different things is fine. Though i think they need to be changes to be a little more different.
For instance make Rock resistant to Water and Ice due to our houses are made of rock and they don't melt in the rain, it does not make sense for Rock to be weak to water. Ground is mud and should be weak to Water and Ice those not solid rock. Also get rid if its Grass weakness, I don't know what has it. Again, Ground should be weak to Grass and has nutreits for the grass to absorb while rock is hard carbon and Gems with no nutriet value, it should hit for normal damage.
With those 2 tweaks Ground and Rock would look different with no over overlap.
Also it would give Rock type the defensive buffs it needs, only have 3 weakness rather 5 weakness. One of 2 types that have 5 weaknesses, too many.
@@ratedr7845 Psychic type is actually the stand in Light type. Many of it's moves are light based.
Light screen, Reflect, Mist ball, photon geyser, Lumina Crash, Luster purge and few others.
We do a need proper Sound-type though, For too long they've been using normal type for the sound based things. This why Melotta is part normal type, and why Jigglypuff kept its Normal typing in Gen 6.
@@TheCrazyhusky okay, I get your point
@@TheCrazyhusky great idea, that's why I hate that they're different things, not enough differences
I just want a Wind Type. Flying is cool but I feel like the general element of Air should branch out to be its own type
Fossil Fighters has a Wind Type! A great one at that.
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Lore Wise, introducing a new type works since not all games take place in the same universe. Cass in Point: Ruby vs. Omega Ruby.
I think Sound would be a good type, but it would hinder Psychic, Flying, maybe Fairy, but definitely Bug because the noise would be very disruptive to their focus. And Sound would be resisted by things such as Ground, Rock, Water, AND Steel since sound is muffled by them.
Honestly, if you want to buff bug, we need a weather condition that is like a biblical swarm.
Steel and Ice need to be mutually weak to each other, considering extreme temperatures weaken steel - actually that relationship should happen somewhere in the type chart but it doesn't... Ice and water should also be mutually weak to each other.
If I were to try and excuse Sound as a Type that works against Steel, I would probably use how from scientific perspective, sound transfer and heat transfer are closely related (using the same carrier, or phonons), which is why good heat conductors are also good sound conductors, so you could claim that Sound and Fire would go together (sure, Fire is technically a different mechanism, but still, Type chart justifications are handwavey at best anyway). Bug resisting Sound could be justified to a degree by them doing some resonance shenanigans. But yeah, new Types would definitely mess the Type chart.
I just don't think its a good idea to add a new type to a chart that can't decide whether flavor, balance or logic are more important for how they interact.
I think they should add a gourmet type it would be weak to fire and ice strong against psychic and dark weak to bug and would be immune to steel because of the thematic idea that gourmet or food-related elements might not be affected by conventional physical or metallic attacks.
I think Electric type could use a slight nerf. They only have one weakness (ground) at the moment, and that's kind of annoying sometimes. Like sure, in competitive games its not a big deal since _everyone_ uses Earthquake all the time, but for casual players it can be frustrating if you just happen not not have any ground type moves (especially if its an Electric/Flying type).
I have no clue what type it could be weak to though. Maybe a "cosmic" type? I feel like Psychic is used as a stand-in for that kind of thing too often, so it would be fitting...
And it would make sense too because stereotypically aliens/UFOs are able to mess with electronics. It could also be super effective against Steel too, for the same reason.
9:19 i actually think most bug types should hypothetically be weak to sound, as certain bat species use sound to hunt for things like moths, but also some moth species have adapted ways to counteract this such as making sounds with their wings to confuse the bat's echolocation somewhat, so it could honestly go either way
In order to nerf steel, there could be a C-4 type, but that would be super effective against everything else too
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I would like to see a tech(technological) type - made by humans or that have interactions with virtual reality, a food type - it would be pokemon focused on food, and a fossil type - based on dinosaurs and other ancient extinct creatures.
Great video, as always! 🙂 i definitely don’t see GF adding a new type for a long time yet, but i actually think Cosmic could work.
I can’t remember who, but another RUclipsr pitched a concept for its balance that interacted nicely with the others. I can’t remember it well either unfortunately, but he suggested it be immune to Fire due to the vacuum of space, and he brought up how, like Fairy, it could take a sort of subtype of Psychic and flesh it out. There are loads of mons that would fit it.
But yeah, Steel would definitely resist it, and it probably wouldn’t help Bug…
A lot of fairies weren't pink when first introduced, though. If you want a rough type, all fire types have red, orange, or yellow in their design, with only roughly 5 exceptions.
Sound type would be the perfect one to balance fairy and steel.
Im not sure if this would be helpful for game balance but I did consider the Cyber type:
Weak To:
Bug (Pun on computer bugs)
Cyber (Hackers exist)
Poison (Pun on computer virus)
Water (This should be obvious)
Strong Against:
Cyber (Already explained)
Fairy (Fairy = Magic, opposite of Cyber)
Fighting (If AI is smart enough it could predict a fighter's strategy)
Psychic (If AI is smart enough it could outsmart a genius)
Steel should have some kind of interaction with Cyber but Im not sure what kind specifically.
2:00 dont forget about ghost type! Dark types being used to balance out ghost types were important too
The major problem with a nuclear type is that pokemon uranium already did it as a double edged sword that is only resistances is steel and itself and super effective again everything else, this literally only moved the chart more in steel's favor making the grass starter a no brainer due to getting steel as a second type.
I would also like to mention that sound could be super effective against steel and water because both are very good at carrying vibrations and ice could resist it since it's very hard to hear anything from someone buried in snow, but rock could also be open to it and I think it has enough weakness.
JPR you should do a video on rebalancing the type chart. I think some solid ideas are making ice resist water, ground, and grass, take away steel>>fairy and have fairy's weaknesses be bug and poison with grass resisting fairy as well (kinda like nature being fairy's counter), and its probably impossible, but combining earth and rock into one type lmao.
I think sound could easily be super effective against steel types. Ever heard of resonant frequencies? It's basically when the area around an object is vibrating at the same frequency as the object, causeing the object to vibrate aggressively or break. It's how an opera singer can shatter glass. I remember seeing a video of a sword reacting to it's resonant frequency and it was vibrating so aggressively that I think a steel type Pokemon could take a super effective amount of damage when being hit by a hyper voice or a boom burst.