My guess is they don't want the average nonce opening hitbox viewer and going "Look at this jank hitbox!" There's alot of nuance to a move between a frame, hitbox, and even the animation. Basic frame data is the simplest to show and explain as it can help new players go "ahh so that's how it connects" especially with the frame meter they have. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave it to us later but it's definitely a stat for a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase.
I feel like every character is probably initially way to strong in development, because they just add things that are cool/fun at first. Then they have to tune them down later because all the crazy things are too strong.
@@rayanal-shikhi140 Idont know...that sounds kinda ridiculosu given how easy it is to do and how often ppl get hit. XD Sounds like overkill and maybe an added poison hit effect or something XD
Just came to your last vid after seeing RB Kumite. You were the only one giving Mena a hard time, after you he proceeded to sweep everyone, Punk, Nuckledu, Gachikun... You are there bro, just keep grinding ❤
I really like finally seeing some insight into their balance process. Makes you wonder how crazy other characters were before the game released. Is there an even scarier version of JP that got toned down too? Is Ed with a decent jab a similar situation to AKI’s former projectile crumble where they just forgot to rebalance it after scrapping a concept? Interesting stuff to see.
I do have to wonder now just how far charge aki got before they made her a motion character, and what their reasoning was for chanigng it. Was it to attempt wider popularity, was it for balancing reasons as balancing ehr toolkit around charge made her too linear or certain moves didn't fit? Was there something else going on?
@@kevingriffith6011Obviously that's how it started but I want to know at what stage they were like "actually no she should be motion the way we're changing her from feng betetr fits that"
@@Cassapphicmy likely guess is that her moves were too specific for charge commitment. So changed very late Charge characters, especially this game, have really belligerent move properties in exchange for being unable to be spammed out at will. Need perfect parry for dosukoi, buttstomp is plus, jump back dive Blankaball, unpunishable sonicboom, air slasha can be faked or win fireball wars meterless etc, etc. None of Aki's moves are designed to be whiff safe ignorant moves. Cruel fate needs proper distance gauge, stings all go in very narrow directions, none of her QCB specials can be used interchangeably. She's way too technical to be forced the burden of a down back charge.
I don't think AKI is as bad as people are making her out to be. She just has a specific style of play we haven't seen yet. A lot of people who played AKI gave up on her in less than a month, and I'm seeing the same thing with Ed. If JB wasn't around and Rashid wasn't as popular a character as he is, I'm sure there'd be people saying Rashid is a weak character, like they were saying when he came out.
Edit: oh shit you talked about that later in the vid lol This reminds me of how Oro was supposed to have a command grab in V but they changed it at the last second to a hit grab, and because of that his hit grab had TERRIBLE recovery and range before the final patch. These characters receive changes a lot later in the dev process than people think.
I bet she would've had insane buttons and all these fancy moves if she stayed a charge character. But changing her to motion automatically makes her easier to use so they over-corrected a bit on her tools i feel.
If she did start out as charge and basically had the same moveset in that build, that would explain why she's so weak. Some of the higher ups said "You're gonna make people pay $5 to charge? Are you stupid?" So they gave her motion inputs and then nerfed the shit out of her. I imagine that's what happened to JP but they forget to nerf him.
Is It only me or you people also noticed that it was possible to defend a dr sequence after the Second, third hit in some cases and, after this last update, they completely removed this and also extended window after punish counter and First dr hits?
I think they buff it to where maybe ex fireball whip causes a crumple and maybe ex cruel fate in a juggle could have an extra toxic blossom effect. But aki already does really good damage, so i wouldn't be surprised if they just leave it how it is now. But then again, they buffed ex hashogeki to 1000 damage, so there's definitely hope lol. Also secret aki nerf that didnt get mentioned. It looked like she had rips in her clothes and stuff. But aki not a coomer character fr, so reasonable "nerf" lol
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Capcom knew that if they released A.K.I too strong, Broski would win every single Capcom Cup and become the first AKIllionaire in the world
How much is akillion????
Broski already is the first AKIllionare
@@DrSwazzA whole lotta mazzingahz! That's how much!
@@taco_senseisignificantly more than a Fangillion
don't let the aki stuff distract you from the fact that viewing hitboxes is built into the game but we can't access it
oooooooooh good catch.
its odd we cant access that considering how many other tools capcom provides in the training mode
That sounds like to much power lol
The JP war crimes could have been called out sooner
My guess is they don't want the average nonce opening hitbox viewer and going "Look at this jank hitbox!" There's alot of nuance to a move between a frame, hitbox, and even the animation.
Basic frame data is the simplest to show and explain as it can help new players go "ahh so that's how it connects" especially with the frame meter they have.
I wouldn't be surprised if they gave it to us later but it's definitely a stat for a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase.
I feel like every character is probably initially way to strong in development, because they just add things that are cool/fun at first. Then they have to tune them down later because all the crazy things are too strong.
The fireball followup causing a crumple WOULD justify it being -16 on block sooooooooooooooooooo hey Capcom bring that shit back
Frrrr
@@rayanal-shikhi140 Idont know...that sounds kinda ridiculosu given how easy it is to do and how often ppl get hit. XD Sounds like overkill and maybe an added poison hit effect or something XD
Tbf if that was a problem I would rather it just be even more -on Block to compensate, rather than removing the cool utility of the move.
Look at her inputs. Beta A.K.I. was charge.
At the very least, that’s one thing I’m glad they changed then.
Damn, what a shame. She would've been a very fun charge character.
I really hoped that she would be at charge
Ooh, I was hoping she'd be. Ah well
Thank god
love how the game has a hitbox viewer they just wont show it to us 💀
Luckily it's the kind of thing modders can do. Sadly it's for PC only, and Capcom has been on a mod-crusade since the Chun-li incident.
Capcom is just like me cooking: is better to put less stuff and fix it later than to put too much and having no idea how to fix it after it's done.
This is a great analogy and I hate it.
Here to show my respect from the Kumite performance. Insane!
That match at redbull was one of the hypest matches there. Good stuff, that AKI is dangerous bro.
NO BROSKI DONT EAT THE FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE IT WILL DOOM US A-
Just came to your last vid after seeing RB Kumite. You were the only one giving Mena a hard time, after you he proceeded to sweep everyone, Punk, Nuckledu, Gachikun... You are there bro, just keep grinding ❤
I really like finally seeing some insight into their balance process. Makes you wonder how crazy other characters were before the game released. Is there an even scarier version of JP that got toned down too? Is Ed with a decent jab a similar situation to AKI’s former projectile crumble where they just forgot to rebalance it after scrapping a concept? Interesting stuff to see.
we basically got nutty jp from start . an broken jp I don't want see that
I do have to wonder now just how far charge aki got before they made her a motion character, and what their reasoning was for chanigng it. Was it to attempt wider popularity, was it for balancing reasons as balancing ehr toolkit around charge made her too linear or certain moves didn't fit? Was there something else going on?
It might have been as simple as "Fang was a charge character"
@@kevingriffith6011Obviously that's how it started but I want to know at what stage they were like "actually no she should be motion the way we're changing her from feng betetr fits that"
@@Cassapphicmy likely guess is that her moves were too specific for charge commitment. So changed very late
Charge characters, especially this game, have really belligerent move properties in exchange for being unable to be spammed out at will. Need perfect parry for dosukoi, buttstomp is plus, jump back dive Blankaball, unpunishable sonicboom, air slasha can be faked or win fireball wars meterless etc, etc.
None of Aki's moves are designed to be whiff safe ignorant moves. Cruel fate needs proper distance gauge, stings all go in very narrow directions, none of her QCB specials can be used interchangeably. She's way too technical to be forced the burden of a down back charge.
"I ain't paying $5 to play a charge character"
-Fighting game players
The need to bring back snake step slide cancel to coward kicks or coward dive
Your match in Kumite was legendary. Out of everyone there your Aki gave Menard the most trouble.
Maybe they thought that with all her tools she would be too OP?, but why did they decided to butcher her like that on release
1 MORE MONTH TILL SEASON 2 WE GOTTA BELIEVE
A.K.I. PLAYERS EATING GOOD IN SEASON 2???
This character legit could use that OD slide into cowards crouch to make it plus
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I don't think AKI is as bad as people are making her out to be. She just has a specific style of play we haven't seen yet. A lot of people who played AKI gave up on her in less than a month, and I'm seeing the same thing with Ed. If JB wasn't around and Rashid wasn't as popular a character as he is, I'm sure there'd be people saying Rashid is a weak character, like they were saying when he came out.
Ohhh Woshige!!!
good luck on red bull. Hope you get at least top3 to show ppl about AKI
Edit: oh shit you talked about that later in the vid lol
This reminds me of how Oro was supposed to have a command grab in V but they changed it at the last second to a hit grab, and because of that his hit grab had TERRIBLE recovery and range before the final patch.
These characters receive changes a lot later in the dev process than people think.
I bet she would've had insane buttons and all these fancy moves if she stayed a charge character.
But changing her to motion automatically makes her easier to use so they over-corrected a bit on her tools i feel.
@ 2:57 Much more importantly, her 6HP is 11F start-up there. It's 16F in the final game. Also has 1F less recovery there. (32F total instead of 38F)
Woshige No!!!
If she did start out as charge and basically had the same moveset in that build, that would explain why she's so weak. Some of the higher ups said "You're gonna make people pay $5 to charge? Are you stupid?" So they gave her motion inputs and then nerfed the shit out of her. I imagine that's what happened to JP but they forget to nerf him.
I played that Beslem guy on ranked, he seemed very passive, wasnt doing much outside of sandblast, just shutting down my approaches
This is like when the first Anji trailer came out and he could get wallbounces off fuujin
Bruh… is that another costumr of her?Or is it coloring?
Picked up Aki recently and trying to apply pressure has been a bitch.
Sad for you
Wait does Woshige work at Capcom now?
We used to be a country
AKI is cool!
welp time to put my mask on and start huffing
Is It only me or you people also noticed that it was possible to defend a dr sequence after the Second, third hit in some cases and, after this last update, they completely removed this and also extended window after punish counter and First dr hits?
They did not do that
As a aki player myself, there’s NO REASON her crouching medium kick can’t be canceled into special moves or drive rush.
Buff cruel fate, more moves with toxic blossom triggers
Make her heavy punch target combo special cancellable.
WOSHIGE, NO!!
i wish she had stayed a charge character!!!!!!! that wuld be so sick!!!!!
What the hell capcom that looks so fun cmon
Oh yeah,charge. I would’ve hoped
0:19 lmao
0:37 perhaps
1:22 dang
1:54 lol
6:22 dang
Ait nice
so sad :(
Imagine every character was designed for like season three, but then they just two seasons worth of stuff out lol
I think they buff it to where maybe ex fireball whip causes a crumple and maybe ex cruel fate in a juggle could have an extra toxic blossom effect. But aki already does really good damage, so i wouldn't be surprised if they just leave it how it is now. But then again, they buffed ex hashogeki to 1000 damage, so there's definitely hope lol. Also secret aki nerf that didnt get mentioned. It looked like she had rips in her clothes and stuff. But aki not a coomer character fr, so reasonable "nerf" lol
And if they think the crumple on OD whip would be too strong, then make the followup cost an extra drive gauge. Like luke's od flash knuckle followup
I don't play fighting games, and never have. But AKI and Mileena content supercedes that lack of interest lol
Speaking of AKI, does anybody know what the deal is with her striking her own thigh/buttocks with her foot? It's not a martial arts thing, is it?
I feel like In a future patch aki will get these things just cuz they seen she is a weak character
Youblook like the Ryu guy thats always streaming on here. You fuys should fight each other online
They should buff her in the year 1 balance patch, jus sayin'
They butchered her before release huh? I hope they do worse with Akuma
They should make it so he cant jump, thatd be a good nerf to air fireball
@@EXFrostI'd say it would help Zangief against him, but we all know tp will ruin that anyways
Nah that's not happening. Not to Akuma atleast
Dream on his whole character is being strong
nah this isnt s2, akis model isnt even finished in the footage
No he means they can bring back some of these pre-release strengths as buffs in season 2. We all know this isn't season 2 footage
Capcom need to buff these characters
Shouldn't DLC characters BE broken so people actually get tempted to buy them?
Not with a million dollars on the line
DLC characters should be strong just like how characters should be strong :)
No, absolutely not. Nothing kills collective hype more than guaranteed powercreep.
So you're basically asking shouldn't the game be pay to win?
I just dropped a.k.i. for dee Jay. Got her up to diamond 1 but started to lose points.
Cause you suck lmao
...CAPCOM, PLEASE!