This stuff often comes from corporate. There are multiple parks with Timber's named rides..Wonderland, Kings Island, Kings Dominion. CF is into the lumber/wood mills themes with wonderland getting a ride called Lumberjack after getting soaring timbers they year before, The Beast also has a lumber theme.
Grobble Actually, The Beast has a mine theme. The minecart near the lift has a sign over it saying "Beast Canyon Mine Co." It makes me question why it wasn't factored into the Mystic Timbers story...
Guys, editing/uploading these videos take a lot of time. You all need to have more respect for the dude. I've noticed a lot of you are asking "where's this and where's that", "hurry up with this & hurry up with that". Have patience. There's no need for you guys to try and rush him about uploading videos. We all love his videos and analysis, I understand that, but it's a little disrespectful and it comes off very unappreciative when you say some of the things you guys say to him.
The inversion at 5:20 is called a cutback. It's the first of its kind on an RMC Hybrid, but it's on/was on a couple other coasters, notably some Gertslauter Eurofighters, the RMC Raptors, and Drachen Fire
"Unfortunately though the one thing that comes to mind when reading that was that it sounds pretty dang similar to mystic timbers" EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. But hey, I think it's still gonna be a great edition to our home park :)
because I went to the Twisted Timbers announcement and have KD as my home park, so it automatically has priority. That was my last Twisted Timbers video, the rest are coming soon.
Excuse me, I've been working non stop for the past day trying to get out as many of these videos as possible. You can be patient. Your life isn't depending on me putting out a single video. I will get it out to you when I can.
That inversion/turn-around section I believe is called a "Cutback". Arrow put an inversion like that on the short lived Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg. Kinda cool to see that inversion coming back, and on a much smoother coaster.
Steel Vengeance has a longer track length than Mean Streak as well. It makes sense because they both follow the exact layout of their original counterparts from start to finish, plus they're both obviously higher than the originals.
I think this looks better than Steel Vengeance! I love the theme, I love the drop, I love those trains, and I LOVE that trick track double up. That was one of the craziest parts of Storm Chaser.
5:10 It's called cutback inversion. It's been used on a few Gerslauter rides and utilized on compact coasters, but this is the first time it's been used on a hybrid/woodie.
Twisted Timbers ROCKS 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻!!! Rode it seven times now too. The one thing I wish they kept was the handle sticks to hold onto all the time. Last July when I was there they changed them to leather handle bars. I like the handle sticks better than the bars
Extra length usually comes from taller hills and more difference between the highest and lowest points of the ride. Like Steel Vengeance, it sticks almost exactly to the pre-RMC layout on a 2D scale, but there is a lot more profound highest and lowest points. For example, a stretch of track that travels 500ft horizontally and has no hills at all is 500ft of track. If it has a ton of crazy airtime hills going from the ground level to high up along it, it could be 600, 700 ft. or even longer in track.
I already love KD more than my own home park (which happens to be Carowinds) and this just makes me love it even more!! I'm super saddened the info got leaked out last week, so it sort of ruined the surprise for the name, but the rendering of the real coaster looks SO FREAKING GOOD! I hope they do some extra theming and not leave it so bare (I mean, let's be honest, the only truly themed coasters at KD are Volcano, Flight of Fear, Backlot Stunt, and I305 if you count the entire area itself). I hope those headlights on the trains actually work at night too! That would be great touch of detail. Love the analysis bro!
Kings dominion used to be owned by paramount.. Im assuming Carowinds was too since they have the hurler.. So most of the rides at some point had themes but were stripped when cedar fair took over.
I am glad to say I have an rmc at my home park now! Also kings dominion has one of the best coaster collections in the world now because they have a great floorless, freakin intimidator 305, an inverted coaster that launches you out of a volcano, and an awesome rmc!
I got to ride Lightening Rod twice on Monday :) It started the day down for maintenance but opened after about 10 minutes. Most of the people in line in front of us got out of line so we were on the first train of the day.
You will see something like that inversion at 5:31 if you make a reaction video to a coaster I am creating in March. I put two or maybe three in of those inversions in that coaster. It is awesome. Video coming soon on that coaster. Please react to it. That element is called a cutback.
Keep in mind that the locals here in Virginia have no idea that kings island even exists so to them the back story behind twisted timbers doesn't matter that much. I think they did a pretty good job with it.
Those triple airtime hills back to back to back were pretty much heaven...my only complaint about this ride would be those two bunny hops immediately before and after the first overbank. They just felt off and were a bit painful as they slammed me into the left side of the car.
Great video Taylor! I agree that you shouldn't really compare twisted timbers to Steel vengeance because they are not really the same at all, As Taylor said Steel Vengeance is twice the size of Twisted timbers. They are also two different completely different layouts and I feel that Steel Vengeance has a lot more space for Elements then Twisted timbers but for what Kings Dominion could fit I say they did amazing. Again great video Taylor. (Kings Dominion and Busch Gardens home parks woo) I also hope Busch gardens keeps adding new Coasters with this two/One year apart adding rollercoasters with Tempesto then InvadR
This is the 55mph variety of RMC in the USA. This one will be the longest and probably be at the top of this sub category. Twisted Timbers (KD) Storm Chaser (KK) The Joker (SFDK) Wicked Cyclone (SFNE)
Somethin I never liked about a coaster, is if all the turns go to one direction. in this case they go all to the right, it would have been nice to see it go diagonal after the first floater/ejector hill and then make the layout a bit more compact out and bake similar to a coaster like blue streak as layout then to have this huge space in the middle and have the coaster only make turns to the right.
That weird inversion/overbank is actually a cutback, its 2 half corkscrews glued together, it was first used on drachen fire at busch gardens williamsburg
That inversion isn't the only one of its kind. It's called a cut back and they can be found on most Euro Fighters and it was on Dragon Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg.
Well its the only one of its kind on a hybrid. And I don't know if I'd call the ones on a Euro-Fighter a true cutback. IMO those don't take you upside down. This one definitely does.
So steel vengeance will be the biggest coaster next year, but I think that if there was no steel vengeance but twisted timbers still came out, I think that it would be the coaster of the year. The thing's amassing!
Taylor, this is not about twisted timbers, but the two raptors. I am a six flags boy. Six flags just announced theirs raptor in fiesta Texas before all of the other parks so they can have the first one, so cedar fair didnt get the first one
I wonder if I can get on this ride next year on a coaster trip. This is one of the coaster I'm more hyped for because this is a ride I might be able to go on next year on my coaster trip with my family.
I may be wrong, but thanks to my extensive gameplay of planet coaster, that inversion which you identified in the video appears to be a cutback, which is basically a corkscrew, and an opposite sided exit to a normal corkscrew. Think hammerhead turn except way smaller and more spread out.
I think this ride looks better than New Mean Streak as it stays low to the ground, has more airtime hills, and sustains its speed very well. Both look amazing and are perfect for their respective situations. That cutback thing is not really a new element, I remember it on Drachen Fire (ouch!). I'm sure it will be a lot better this time around.
The turn inversion looks similar to the inversion in Space Mountain at DLP, they call it a tounge, however it's also similar to the cutback inversion from Drachenfire
So steel vengeance and twisted timbers are the only RMC hybrids with a longer track length then the original. Hopefully there are more like this in the future, because some RMC hybrids are way too short!
Kings dominion: "Can I copy off your homework?"
Kings Island: "Yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious."
This stuff often comes from corporate. There are multiple parks with Timber's named rides..Wonderland, Kings Island, Kings Dominion. CF is into the lumber/wood mills themes with wonderland getting a ride called Lumberjack after getting soaring timbers they year before, The Beast also has a lumber theme.
Well, they are sister parks...
Grobble Actually, The Beast has a mine theme. The minecart near the lift has a sign over it saying "Beast Canyon Mine Co."
It makes me question why it wasn't factored into the Mystic Timbers story...
GabrielROnline so true
Lol
That ending to the station is like when you use Auto Complete on Rollercoaster Tycoon. 🙃
TheWioreks lol true
TheWioreks dang I didn't even see this but made the same comment practically
TheWioreks exactly what I was thinking!!!!
3:39 - "Our closest RMC is going to be Lightning Rod, and that's rarely open." Dang! BURNED!
When your mom finds your messy room
Mom:what happened here
Me: A trick track double up!
NICE😂👍
Weak ass joke
"Heck to the nahhhh"
- Coaster Studios 2017
Max Jonak Pretty sure I’ve heard that before.
When he said "Aww Man!" after that the first thing that came to my mind was the Creeper Aw man meme
Riding just for the trick track double up
Guys, editing/uploading these videos take a lot of time. You all need to have more respect for the dude. I've noticed a lot of you are asking "where's this and where's that", "hurry up with this & hurry up with that". Have patience. There's no need for you guys to try and rush him about uploading videos. We all love his videos and analysis, I understand that, but it's a little disrespectful and it comes off very unappreciative when you say some of the things you guys say to him.
Your analysis was perfect. You are the best on RUclips by far
There are Cutbacks on the new RMC raptors
yes, but this is the only one on a hybrid
Sky Rocket and Rock Bottom Plunge have them too
Coasterfan3657 There are 3 rides with cutbacks ( or 4 ) it's still cool.
Coaster Studios - yeah but you said nothing like you've ever seen, so he's got you there
Steel Vengeance's second inversion is a cutback...
The turn after the trick track double up should have been a tip out corner, but only after a corked roll
At 5:10 it's a cutback inversion. Sky Rocket at kennywood has one
The inversion at 5:20 is called a cutback. It's the first of its kind on an RMC Hybrid, but it's on/was on a couple other coasters, notably some Gertslauter Eurofighters, the RMC Raptors, and Drachen Fire
5:10
It’s called a cutback 👍
Everytime you said "twisted" i was expecting you to also say "colossus" but when you said "timbers" it tripped me up for a sec lol
I have to admit, Mystic Timbers did inspire me for another theme for my RTC3 park, so I love these type of themes
"The difference is that they threw in some apples"
- Taylor, 2017
They designed it in roller coaster tycoon
NCH that s bend
The gosh dang S bend
No that’s storm chaser
"Unfortunately though the one thing that comes to mind when reading that was that it sounds pretty dang similar to mystic timbers" EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. But hey, I think it's still gonna be a great edition to our home park :)
that 2nd inversion is known as a cutback the first coaster to have it was drachen fire at bush gardens willimsburg
Why have you done like 5 videos for twisted timbers and none for steel vengeance?
because I went to the Twisted Timbers announcement and have KD as my home park, so it automatically has priority. That was my last Twisted Timbers video, the rest are coming soon.
Hurry up, we want your thoughts on that Vengeance of the steel variety, man :)
Excuse me, I've been working non stop for the past day trying to get out as many of these videos as possible. You can be patient. Your life isn't depending on me putting out a single video. I will get it out to you when I can.
I'm just yanking your chain. I know you work hard pumping these out. I'm a patient boy.
TheGenericZer0 You got roasted tho
This will be my very first RMC! I'm so excited for it
That inversion/turn-around section I believe is called a "Cutback". Arrow put an inversion like that on the short lived Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg. Kinda cool to see that inversion coming back, and on a much smoother coaster.
That inverting turn will also be found on both of the RMC raptors to open in 2018!
Great analysis video! I did not notice the trick track double-up element on Twisted Timbers. Can't wait for your thoughts on Steel Vengeance!
Steel Vengeance has a longer track length than Mean Streak as well. It makes sense because they both follow the exact layout of their original counterparts from start to finish, plus they're both obviously higher than the originals.
this video was so good!! probably your best video in awhile,good job!
I can't wait for twisted timbers to come out to the public. It will be my first RMC roller coaster.
I think this looks better than Steel Vengeance! I love the theme, I love the drop, I love those trains, and I LOVE that trick track double up. That was one of the craziest parts of Storm Chaser.
Heck to the na😂😂😂!Great job josh from KD!
5:10 It's called cutback inversion. It's been used on a few Gerslauter rides and utilized on compact coasters, but this is the first time it's been used on a hybrid/woodie.
Infinite Inferno u sound hurt lmao
Can't wait to drive down there in the spring and ride it all day
it's cool to look back at this video after it's been released for about 3-4 years now
That Turnaround/Inversion is called a Cut-Back, First installed on Drachen-Fire at Busch Gardens: Williamsburg by Arrow Dynamics
Can't wait!! This is going to be great! About time Kings Dominion got a new fantastic ride!
Who doesn't love coster Studios
I'm looking forward to this new ride in the park!
Twisted Timbers ROCKS 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻!!! Rode it seven times now too. The one thing I wish they kept was the handle sticks to hold onto all the time. Last July when I was there they changed them to leather handle bars. I like the handle sticks better than the bars
Extra length usually comes from taller hills and more difference between the highest and lowest points of the ride. Like Steel Vengeance, it sticks almost exactly to the pre-RMC layout on a 2D scale, but there is a lot more profound highest and lowest points.
For example, a stretch of track that travels 500ft horizontally and has no hills at all is 500ft of track. If it has a ton of crazy airtime hills going from the ground level to high up along it, it could be 600, 700 ft. or even longer in track.
Airtime moments: well they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming...
i love how excited he is about the friggin double up
I already love KD more than my own home park (which happens to be Carowinds) and this just makes me love it even more!! I'm super saddened the info got leaked out last week, so it sort of ruined the surprise for the name, but the rendering of the real coaster looks SO FREAKING GOOD! I hope they do some extra theming and not leave it so bare (I mean, let's be honest, the only truly themed coasters at KD are Volcano, Flight of Fear, Backlot Stunt, and I305 if you count the entire area itself). I hope those headlights on the trains actually work at night too! That would be great touch of detail. Love the analysis bro!
Kings dominion used to be owned by paramount.. Im assuming Carowinds was too since they have the hurler.. So most of the rides at some point had themes but were stripped when cedar fair took over.
I am glad to say I have an rmc at my home park now! Also kings dominion has one of the best coaster collections in the world now because they have a great floorless, freakin intimidator 305, an inverted coaster that launches you out of a volcano, and an awesome rmc!
The teasers would make sense if the T in Timbers were upside down
I'm surprised one of the T's isn't upside down too
M&MGuy - they're confused anyway, they *are* the GP after all
The inverting turnaround is also being featured in both the raptor track coasters but they aren't open yet either so that's pretty cool
YES THANK YOU FOR THE ANALYSIS VIRGINIANS HYPED
Steel Vengeance beat out Mean Streak's old length
This was my first rmc and I loved it and the three airtime hills were just so good
This ride was sooooooo awesome!!!
Lol the RCT S-bend. Thank God it existed. Never thought ill see the day i would see it in real life
Twisted Timbers and Steel Vengeance will definitely go to the top on the Golden Ticket Awards
Steel Vengeance is the only other RMC Hybrid treatment that grew by a couple hundred feet rather than shrinking. I love it.
7:16 when you click planet coaster auto complete
I got to ride Lightening Rod twice on Monday :) It started the day down for maintenance but opened after about 10 minutes. Most of the people in line in front of us got out of line so we were on the first train of the day.
OMG THAT LOOKS SOOO FUN CANT WAIT TO GO THIS WEEK!! 😁😁😁
The term for the second inversion is a "cutback". It's on a bunch of coasters, though usually not this banked.
You will see something like that inversion at 5:31 if you make a reaction video to a coaster I am creating in March. I put two or maybe three in of those inversions in that coaster. It is awesome. Video coming soon on that coaster. Please react to it. That element is called a cutback.
Great video Taylor I can't wait to go to Kings Dominion next year to ride this and to attend winterfest
Like, don’t compare Twisted cyclone to steel vengeance, and no one does that!! I’m so hyped for all the new coasters in different ways!
This ride is so original!
Keep in mind that the locals here in Virginia have no idea that kings island even exists so to them the back story behind twisted timbers doesn't matter that much. I think they did a pretty good job with it.
Those triple airtime hills back to back to back were pretty much heaven...my only complaint about this ride would be those two bunny hops immediately before and after the first overbank. They just felt off and were a bit painful as they slammed me into the left side of the car.
Great video Taylor! I agree that you shouldn't really compare twisted timbers to Steel vengeance because they are not really the same at all, As Taylor said Steel Vengeance is twice the size of Twisted timbers. They are also two different completely different layouts and I feel that Steel Vengeance has a lot more space for Elements then Twisted timbers but for what Kings Dominion could fit I say they did amazing. Again great video Taylor. (Kings Dominion and Busch Gardens home parks woo) I also hope Busch gardens keeps adding new Coasters with this two/One year apart adding rollercoasters with Tempesto then InvadR
I really enjoyed the hurler during the couple of times I went to kings dominion, so this will be great.
FINALLY! AN RMC IN MY RANGE!
Steel Vengeance is over 300 feet longer than MS, but still, it's great that CF isn't killing the length like Six Flags did with everything but TC
I must admit Twisted Timbers looks awsome.
Fun fact: Drachen Fire at BGW was the first coaster to have a cutback element. Cool to see an Arrow Dynamics inversion used on hybrid RMC
This is the 55mph variety of RMC in the USA. This one will be the longest and probably be at the top of this sub category.
Twisted Timbers (KD)
Storm Chaser (KK)
The Joker (SFDK)
Wicked Cyclone (SFNE)
Somethin I never liked about a coaster, is if all the turns go to one direction. in this case they go all to the right, it would have been nice to see it go diagonal after the first floater/ejector hill and then make the layout a bit more compact out and bake similar to a coaster like blue streak as layout then to have this huge space in the middle and have the coaster only make turns to the right.
That weird inversion/overbank is actually a cutback, its 2 half corkscrews glued together, it was first used on drachen fire at busch gardens williamsburg
I'm so excited to finally have an RMC at one of my home parks! I've never been on one so I am definitely going out to the park next year to ride it
Looks better than Twisted Cyclone.
That Inverted Over-Bank is called a Cutback. It is also on the RMC Raptor clone layout
the inversion you were talking about is called a cutback, it was on drachen fire at busch gardens williamsburg
When knotts berry farm announced hangtime I was like that's exactly the name you guessed!
Can't wait for this coaster
Looks better than WiCy and Storm Chaser. It's like a combination of the best parts of both rides!
That inversion isn't the only one of its kind. It's called a cut back and they can be found on most Euro Fighters and it was on Dragon Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg.
Well its the only one of its kind on a hybrid. And I don't know if I'd call the ones on a Euro-Fighter a true cutback. IMO those don't take you upside down. This one definitely does.
So steel vengeance will be the biggest coaster next year, but I think that if there was no steel vengeance but twisted timbers still came out, I think that it would be the coaster of the year. The thing's amassing!
This is already gonna be a great coaster!!!
this is a really great ride
The first inversion on this looks very similar to the one that was on - Drachenfire, at Busch Gardens.
Looks great!
The inversion you're describing is a cutback, seen on Sky Rocket, Drachen Fire, Wonder Woman, and Railblazer.
The Over-Overbanked turn is a Cutback, also going to Railblazer and Wonder Woman Golden Lasso Coaster
It's the start of the Timbers rollercoaster universe.
Taylor, this is not about twisted timbers, but the two raptors. I am a six flags boy. Six flags just announced theirs raptor in fiesta Texas before all of the other parks so they can have the first one, so cedar fair didnt get the first one
Excellent job as usual !
At 8:26 Taylor should have said "Twisted Timbers is a grown and independent coaster that doesn't need no Steel Vengeance"
I wonder if I can get on this ride next year on a coaster trip. This is one of the coaster I'm more hyped for because this is a ride I might be able to go on next year on my coaster trip with my family.
The Six Flags Trick Track Double Up = Tic Tac Double Up. Get it? Cause Six Flags loves ads
I love it's name: great value mystic timbers
I may be wrong, but thanks to my extensive gameplay of planet coaster, that inversion which you identified in the video appears to be a cutback, which is basically a corkscrew, and an opposite sided exit to a normal corkscrew. Think hammerhead turn except way smaller and more spread out.
I think this ride looks better than New Mean Streak as it stays low to the ground, has more airtime hills, and sustains its speed very well. Both look amazing and are perfect for their respective situations.
That cutback thing is not really a new element, I remember it on Drachen Fire (ouch!). I'm sure it will be a lot better this time around.
Another thing in common with Drachen Fire, however superficial - the main drop has an inversion.
The turn inversion looks similar to the inversion in Space Mountain at DLP, they call it a tounge, however it's also similar to the cutback inversion from Drachenfire
So steel vengeance and twisted timbers are the only RMC hybrids with a longer track length then the original. Hopefully there are more like this in the future, because some RMC hybrids are way too short!
Looks fantastic
The proper term for that bunny hill after the drop is called a "speed bump"
Nice Video and I really enjoy your channel
I wish RMC did like a zero g stall drop. THAT WOULD BE SO COOL!!!!!!😎
Steel Vengeance is also longer than Mean Streak. I think it's because there are more elements on the ride that the original rides.