Both sound amazing. Below poster said Nemesis sounds digital. To me it sounds warm but that's the beauty of opinions. Anyone that can afford either one of these pedals should count their blessings and go enjoy whatever one you prefer. I got the Nemesis because it was less expensive and could not be happier.
Nathan Shafer I have the Nemesis and the vertigo. Interested in trying one of the drive pedals. I use the vertigo at the end of my board. I have the three modes programed with different routing options depending on if I'm doing stereo or mono amps. Love it.
@@Pedalnerds I use the LA Lady along with the Gemini, Nemesis, and Vertigo all controlled by a little MIDI controller from Disaster Area Designs. With my favorite Compressor, Boost and a Fuzzface up front, it's a powerful little board. The drive engines on the LA are exceptionally good.
My Timeline is currently listed on Reverb so I can buy a SA Collider, which has many of the same delay engines as the Nemesis. I've had the Timeline four about 4 years despite the extremely deep functionality, I find myself only using tape and dbucket 99% of the time. Having to rememeber the varied functions of the knobs for each engine is annoying and in the heat of the moment when I'm playing with my band struggle to fully recall how to dial in what I want. The LED readouts, sub-menus and such only further my frustration when I need to dial-in something on-the-fly and create an anxiety to the point t that I say screw it and just dial in something quick on my Carbon Copy or DM-2W. Even though I'm switching to a Collider, the same comparison holds true for the Nemesis. The interface is much simpler eaiser to manipulate on the go, and it's much easier to deal with 4 presets instead of 400. I haven't played the Nemesis or Collider yet, but to me the SA engines sound better - fuller and more detailed. I was never really happy with the Timeline's modulation sound, either. It just seems flat and uninspiring.
I've got a Nemesis largely because it seemed very powerful and I was blown away at the sounds it's capable of. Both in quality and in variety. I've always wondered how it stacks up to the illustrious Timeline, being the former king of delay. Quite well, it turns out. Now I know. Thanks. Curious now about how it stacks up to the new king, the Echosystem.
I use an Eventide H9 and I like that the H9 is a surprise box, bit I miss the warm tone I use to have using fue wampler tape echo (I sold it but I am getting it back)
Nemesis tape delay mode reduces the 2.6 sec delay time to 1.2 sec. Exactly what I DON'T need. Otherwise yes, but I'd also much have preferred a dual delay + a single reverb.
@@coleg.2086 Yeah, all of those great sounds and then they come without proper MIDI, without a display of the presets, and for all but digital delay you have to use both delay engines just make simple stereo effects. What a bummer!
I own the nemesis and it is amazing. One thing I noticed in your video is the nemesis pans harder in the stereo field, listen closely when he hits the harmonics it’s very ping pong like. I also think the nemesis sounds better in general and has crazier delay types.
I have turned into a pedal geek and have just finished buying for a while... Let's hope. I don't think you can go wrong with either. It's the best of times and the worst of times. Pick one and practice, practice, practice.
I’m basically leaning towards the nemesis because I’ve had the timeline several times and it just seems like the nemesis does way more stereo stuff than the timeline does. Although, the timeline does have that ice delay which would be the only thing that makes me buy it again. Oh, and the looper. Can’t decide
Yeah, if stereo is a big deal to you I would lean more towards the Nemesis also. It does seem to have more options for the stereo effects (ping pong in any mode).
Never understaood the mistake of Strymon, Empress and the likes, of making ping pong and panning separate delay types. They're only output modes and shouldn't be limited to certain delay types. It makes such a huge difference to delay more than any other effect to maximize the stereo aspect.
Nemesis owner here. Based on this demo I think most types are a wash and its really based on your preference as to which you might like better. That said, it sounds like the Nemesis's analog delay slays the Timeline's dbucket algorithm. The timeline's lofi algorithm sounds closer to the nemesis's analog mode, IMO.
I love the nemesis for playing live. The timeline lve had my ups and downs. Setting and go is not instant. Recording with the timeline is great, tweaking and setting is ideal. Having it on a pedal board for recording works best for me.
These are both great pedals capable of lot's of cool sounds. I bought a Nemesis because it's smaller, cheaper, and less menu diving. Of course you can do whatever you want with the APP and with MIDI you get tons of presets.
Timeline is more subtle and to my ear, more musical. Nemesis is bolder and more extreme. I'm going Timeline but I could see why certain players would prefer the Nemesis.
Great demo, thanks for posting. I own the Nemesis & love it, but you really can’t go wrong with either of these. Only reason I never bought the Timeline is because I have all of Strymon’s individual delays. Source Audio is killing it right now. The Ventris is amazing & their single true spring reverb pedal is killer as well.
Ive had many delay pedals, the timeline lve had and sold, then recently repurchased . During covid l order the nemesis and really love it. After using both, l love the size and performance of the nemesis. In my most honest and humble opinion the timeline is still the king of delays. I recently got the collider rev-delay and love it. Source audio has really knocked it out. I hope with firware updates they catch up to strymon. I believe they will.
Timeline sounds much more warm and alive to me. It has a kind of depth to it's sound that the Nemesis does not. Nemesis sounds very typical digital delay to me (Boss stuff) which is not bad, but sounds a bit thin and lifeless in comparison. I had a Nemesis and sold it for the exact same reason I'm explaining. I can hear in this video what I was hearing with my Nemesis as well. Thanks!
Well I used to have the Timeline and Bigsky but after one year of using them constantly live and in recording sessions, I realized that for the reverb in the studio there are way better options in plugin format that sound x1000 times better than anything in pedal (super realistic impulse responses by Altiverb and Lexicon native plugins, etc...). For the delay, I have an actual Tape echo by Fulltone which I use in the studio as well as my analog delays (EHX DMM 1100 which sounds incredible and Boss DM-2W which works great with high gain stuff). I also recently got a Ventris which although has lots of lots of features but to be honest did not sound as exciting as some people on the web try to represent the pedal. It just sounds like a good enough reverb and I don't need two reverbs at the same time nor I need all those fancy features ^^ So I sold it and for live I went back to using the Hall of Fame version 2 which sounds very good and *soundwise* IMO can easily compete with the big names (especially with ambient presets and Toneprint). What I really want is a pedal which can load any impulse response I want into it (with at least 96k!) as I find the actual IR reverbs sound way better than any mediocre reverb pedals out there. But as far as I know there is no such thing available yet, except one which I forgot the name but I had to sell it as it was buggy, very weak processor and did not accept many IRs I had. Hopefully someone does it soon! Cheers,
konnektlive agree. Timeline sounds acceptable. If you want a good digital delay imo get an eventide rack unit. Source Audio stuff always sounds odd to me same with Empress; I’m not saying it’s bad but I’ll stick with my analogue units.
Yeah well I have tried almost all high end units in the market in the past couple of years and no delay unit could ever get the place of my analogue delays on my board. The only thing that sounded better than my analog delays is the Fulltone Tape Echo, that's it. In the digital world I think Boss DD-3 sounded great to me but again I don't really use any digital anymore. Only digital on my board is the tuner and Hall of Fame V2.
Also, to be honest if I could use our actual studio plate reverb in live show I would, but it's freakin' inconvenient and very difficult to use. I think I may go hunt a good old spring tank later if I could find the money ^^
Nemesis owner here: I love ping pong delays, but had issues getting a sound I liked with my Nemesis. The problem is the 1st ping on one amp is at lets call it 100% volume, then the pong on the second amp is still at 100% volume. So the repeats continue on for longer than I would like and seem exaggerated instead of fading away as you would expect. Ideally I would have the option in the Neuro software to make each repeat quieter in volume. Like a standard delay pedal.
It is possible to turn down the Tap 2 Level in the Neuro Mobile App or the Neuro Desktop Editor. Feel free to email us at contact@sourceaudio.net if you have any other questions about the Nemesis. Great video, Nathan!
Nathan Shafer - PedalNerds Hi Nathan, already a subscriber & fan of your content, good stuff. Yes, I record ambient music amongst other things but as mentioned, both these units are priced above what I’m prepared to invest. I use the EHX Canyon & a couple of other units instead, getting the Oceans 11 too... looking forward to Pt.2 of the video.
Glad you are a subscriber. You could do really well with the Canyon and Oceans 11. Just curious, is there any type of videos you would like to see more of from my channel?
I was heavily leaning on getting either the Timeline or the Boss DD-500 for a powerhouse of delays, but now im reconsidering. I think the Nemesis might be the best sounding unit. Only thing i dont like is having to use the app to edit patches and that its not analog dry thru
Very nice comparison. You've essentially shown that both pedals are very comparable on those engines that are shared by both. I'm still on the fence as to which to buy. I would agree with some of the feedback from a couple other viewers. A view into what each of the pedals does that differentiates them would be helpful. And running them in an A/B set up would be more ideal, instead of running one into the other.
Nemesis. Because 1) I already own one and 2) It doesn't have the "Worship Music" associations that inevitably come with anything Strymon. No analog dry-through but that's because they modeled the preamps (eg: EP-3, Memory Man,, Binson, Space Echo, etc) and, if you run it with a blender or with two amps in wet/dry, it doesn't matter at all. You can always have that dry-through thing and blend accordingly.
Very nice comparison. Would it be possible for you to compare the Nemesis with the Echosystem? Single delay vs dual delay (+looper but no direct Midi); Thx!
Seems to me it would've been more helpful to hear the big differences between the two. This video seems to confirm they are very similar in their shared modes. I still wouldn't know which one to buy. They both sound awesome! :)
INemesis because it's the one I own but two gripes 1) No display screen 2) That auto ping-pong on all stereo delays when outputs A & B are engaged. Sure, you have the app & desktop editor and can tweak the delays to lessen the ping-pong, but it does annoy me, However, for under $300 and for the size, with all those deep editing features, I'll be keeping it. Yep, I'll keep it until I learn how to use it properly with MIDI, then I'll put it on my board LOL
@@aguitarhero007 Yeah the stereo field does tend to default to ping-pong. Not always, and you can tweak it. As for mono, no that doesn't apply. The delays can stack but not ping-pong.
I use the Nemesis and Ventris with my Analog syths. I have an old Korg MES-30 as well as the Moog Mother32 and the DFAM. These pedals just thicken the sounds and expand the sonic territory. Watch the Sonic Lab or the synth demo guy from Sweetwater Daniel Fisher. They get more from this than we guitar players can
I sold my timeline to get the Nemesis and I don’t regret it. Timeline is no doubt a great delay pedal but for me Nemeses is the winner and pairing it with the Ventris it’s heavenly.
Thank you for the awesome video! I’ve had a TC Flashback Triple Delay and a Hall of Fame Reverb for a few years and I love that combo, but was looking to change the delay because of size. Now I am completely set on getting the Nemesis and the Ventris. One question: will I need a midi controller for each pedal, or can I control both with one controller? I’ve never used midi before but it seems like the obvious way to go with those pedals... what’s a good and yet easy to use controller? Thanks for the info!
marciolimongi glad you like the video! Check out the Source Audio Midi foot controller that can be used to control both of these pedals. There are other midi options out there but this is a good option.
Both sound great. Things I'm considering: ping-pong vs "better" stereo field, presets, display. These features make the Timeline a much better option for live use, IMO. I've upgraded my reverb pedals, now it's time to choose a delay pedal. I'm seriously considering the Timeline. Nathan, you should compare the Timeline and El Cap: specifically, tape age, crinkle, bias, and wow and flutter (each individually). I love the sound of the repeats in your "We Three Kings" video. I'm wondering if the Timeline can achieve the same character.
@@shckltnebay Thanks Eric. I was pretty settled on Ventris but just found out that specifically its tape delay mode reduces the 2.6 sec delay time to 1.2 sec. Do you know the max delay time of dTape? And does it then maintain sufficient processing power to ping-pong and pan?
@@mydarkestofdreams You have to do it in the Neuro app, in the I/O Routing Option menu. If you're running mono, you should have the "Default - Auto Select" chosen, and it will sum your ping-pongs to mono. If you're running stereo, why don't you want ping pong? :-D
I own both. They are both amazing and of the highest quality. Drawbacks for the Nemesis are for me: no shimmer, no way to go through presets by foot, the deep editing can only be done through a phone app or by midi controller, no looper function. But sound quality is superb. The Timeline has no ping-pong (you can only do it with the dual engine). Timeline wins for me because of the easier editing and preset switching by foot. Nemesis if you don't want to spend 500 and save some space on your board and you don't mind selection presets by hand.
colaboytje Nemesis allows you to switch presets with your foot, here’s how: while it’s bypassed, press and hold the tap tempo switch for a half second and it’ll advance the preset selection.
I have them both. Both have great sounds. The UI on the Nemesis is not as good as the timeline. Relies too much on the app and no screen. Source Audio needs to put these engines in a box it deserves!
They will both work well with a synth. It comes down to personal preference. I like the layout of the Nemesis a little better and find it easier to dial in. That is me though.
As a formar senior engineer at Roland and having worked since 1988 as a service centre for virtually every make of electronic equipment; my vote goes to the Timeline. The Nemisis is very good in a few areas and sounds cleaner, it is also cheaper and has a smaller foot print. However, the auto Ping Pong with stereo input is a no no for me, also the lack of display and reliance on an app is also not good, the Timeline had a very good analogue like quality and the phasing and tape were better IMHO (I have serviced hundreds of Roland and Watkins tape echos and the Nemisis sounded like it needed a damm good service!).
Timeline sounds amazing and wins in that case but the nemesis is great too and its cheaper. So the question is how much do i want to spend. Used is about $200 nemesis or $400 strymon.. the nemesis is more on my price range but the strymon is tempting but will hurt the wallet! decisions!
So does the Nemesis not have a “swell” setting like the timeline? I’m actually not sure I like it as much on the timeline as some other swell delay effects I’ve heard, as the timeline doesn’t really seem to take out the initial attack of the note... not knocking either of these pedals as they’re both amazeballs, but have just been trying to find a good “swell” in one of these higher-end multi-delay pedals
The Nemesis has the "diffuse" setting which reduces the initial attack of each repeat. If you turn the mix all of the way up the initial dry signal will also be removed.
Guess who didn't RTFM? In Timeline dTape mode the GRIT controls tape Bias... NORMAL/CORRECT Bias is GRIT control at 9 O'Clock. Filter controls TAPE AGE, which also incorporates SATURATION. Higher Filter = Older Tape = Less Fidelity = More Saturation.
Timeline sounds better and has a display. Also costs at least double. Personally I'm busy comparing Timeline (or Space) to Mooer Ocean Machine and Seymor Duncan Andromeda.
Ha! I don't have that kind of money man. And to complicate matters there's also the GFI Specular Tempus to consider. If I make a video it's going to be of whichever one I end up with.
@@mydarkestofdreams You can disable the Ping Pong effect by changing the Tap 1 pan and Tap 2 pan. By default Tap 1 is panned hard left and Tap 2 is panned hard right. You can have these going to center or choose the "Sum L+R to Mono Output" option.
One Thing I don't like about Strymon reverb and delay pedals is that Strymon always add slight mid range boost to the dry tone just like some sort of MSG. However, Nemesis and ventris both have very natural sound. That is why nemesis+ventris kicked timeline+bigsky out of my board. They sound more natural, are smaller and cheaper.
Be sure to leave a comment with the pedal you prefer!
I really dig Source Audio, waiting for the Nemesis and Ventris
both sound great but i still love my timeline!
@@jean-renepirlet How do you like the Nemesis and Ventris?
@@flatfifth5876 The Timeline is great also. It comes down to personal preference with these excellent boxes.
I own the Nemesis (and Ventris) and they are by far the best pedals on my board.
They are excellent!
me too!
Both sound amazing. Below poster said Nemesis sounds digital. To me it sounds warm but that's the beauty of opinions. Anyone that can afford either one of these pedals should count their blessings and go enjoy whatever one you prefer. I got the Nemesis because it was less expensive and could not be happier.
Brian Pennington well said
Thanks, that helped me make up my mind!!!
I think the Nemesis has, overall, a darker and warmer tone to the repeats. I like that.
Both sound great. I think the functionality with the neuro app gives the Nemesis the win imho.
That Neuro app is great. Do you own any of the Source Audio One Series pedals?
Nathan Shafer I have the Nemesis and the vertigo. Interested in trying one of the drive pedals. I use the vertigo at the end of my board. I have the three modes programed with different routing options depending on if I'm doing stereo or mono amps. Love it.
Yeah, the Vertigo is great also. I haven't personally tried the drive pedals, but I'm sure they are great.
@@Pedalnerds
I use the LA Lady along with the Gemini, Nemesis, and Vertigo all controlled by a little MIDI controller from Disaster Area Designs. With my favorite Compressor, Boost and a Fuzzface up front, it's a powerful little board. The drive engines on the LA are exceptionally good.
I'm leaning towards that Nemesis pedal though both sound amazing in their own right. Thanks for the upload.
I agree, you could go either way!
ᙅYᙖᙓᖇ ᗪOᙅ™ I have a nemesis and love it!
I can see why you love it. The sounds are lush and full.
ᙅYᙖᙓᖇ ᗪOᙅ™ most definitely. Get an analog endeavors AUX2 as well if you go for it. Makes preset switching a breeze
My Timeline is currently listed on Reverb so I can buy a SA Collider, which has many of the same delay engines as the Nemesis. I've had the Timeline four about 4 years despite the extremely deep functionality, I find myself only using tape and dbucket 99% of the time. Having to rememeber the varied functions of the knobs for each engine is annoying and in the heat of the moment when I'm playing with my band struggle to fully recall how to dial in what I want. The LED readouts, sub-menus and such only further my frustration when I need to dial-in something on-the-fly and create an anxiety to the point t that I say screw it and just dial in something quick on my Carbon Copy or DM-2W.
Even though I'm switching to a Collider, the same comparison holds true for the Nemesis. The interface is much simpler eaiser to manipulate on the go, and it's much easier to deal with 4 presets instead of 400. I haven't played the Nemesis or Collider yet, but to me the SA engines sound better - fuller and more detailed. I was never really happy with the Timeline's modulation sound, either. It just seems flat and uninspiring.
Thanks for stopping by!
Amazing pedals,great video buddy !
Thanks man!
I got a Timeline earlier this year. I absolutely love it so far, and the sounds are wonderful.
I've owned both. Still have the Timeline.
Thanks for the comment!
I've got a Nemesis largely because it seemed very powerful and I was blown away at the sounds it's capable of. Both in quality and in variety. I've always wondered how it stacks up to the illustrious Timeline, being the former king of delay. Quite well, it turns out. Now I know. Thanks. Curious now about how it stacks up to the new king, the Echosystem.
Thanks for the comment!
I liked the nemesis, sounds amazing, takes less space on the pedalboard and I think is a bit cheaper. Is the winner on my opinion
Thanks for the comment! What delay pedal(s) do you currently use?
I use an Eventide H9 and I like that the H9 is a surprise box, bit I miss the warm tone I use to have using fue wampler tape echo (I sold it but I am getting it back)
I need to try the H9!
Nemesis. Paired with a Ventris. All you'll ever need.
Yes, that would definitely work!
Also, Echosystem + Reverb.
Nemesis tape delay mode reduces the 2.6 sec delay time to 1.2 sec. Exactly what I DON'T need. Otherwise yes, but I'd also much have preferred a dual delay + a single reverb.
@@coleg.2086 Yeah, all of those great sounds and then they come without proper MIDI, without a display of the presets, and for all but digital delay you have to use both delay engines just make simple stereo effects. What a bummer!
Andrew Hughes
Spot on I have them both and they blow STRYMON out of the water any day plus cheaper and much more compact and good looking
Strymon for me but Nemesis sounds great n I like the ping pong effect it makes on stereo mode. Thanks for the video man. Cheers
Thanks for the comment!
I own the nemesis and it is amazing. One thing I noticed in your video is the nemesis pans harder in the stereo field, listen closely when he hits the harmonics it’s very ping pong like. I also think the nemesis sounds better in general and has crazier delay types.
I have turned into a pedal geek and have just finished buying for a while... Let's hope. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
It's the best of times and the worst of times.
Pick one and practice, practice, practice.
Agreed!
I’m basically leaning towards the nemesis because I’ve had the timeline several times and it just seems like the nemesis does way more stereo stuff than the timeline does. Although, the timeline does have that ice delay which would be the only thing that makes me buy it again. Oh, and the looper. Can’t decide
Yeah, if stereo is a big deal to you I would lean more towards the Nemesis also. It does seem to have more options for the stereo effects (ping pong in any mode).
Never understaood the mistake of Strymon, Empress and the likes, of making ping pong and panning separate delay types. They're only output modes and shouldn't be limited to certain delay types. It makes such a huge difference to delay more than any other effect to maximize the stereo aspect.
Nemesis owner here. Based on this demo I think most types are a wash and its really based on your preference as to which you might like better. That said, it sounds like the Nemesis's analog delay slays the Timeline's dbucket algorithm. The timeline's lofi algorithm sounds closer to the nemesis's analog mode, IMO.
I love the nemesis for playing live. The timeline lve had my ups and downs. Setting and go is not instant. Recording with the timeline is great, tweaking and setting is ideal. Having it on a pedal board for recording works best for me.
Thanks for the comment!
Well timeline 👌👍😍. I cant let this pedal go off my board.
These are both great pedals capable of lot's of cool sounds. I bought a Nemesis because it's smaller, cheaper, and less menu diving. Of course you can do whatever you want with the APP and with MIDI you get tons of presets.
I'd really like to see/hear you do Ventris vs Big Sky
I'd like to add a GFI Specular Reverb V3 into that.
Timeline is more subtle and to my ear, more musical. Nemesis is bolder and more extreme. I'm going Timeline but I could see why certain players would prefer the Nemesis.
They are both great pedals!
Wouldn’t that just be determined by the delay mix and/or tone? Both can be adjusted on both pedals.
Great demo, thanks for posting. I own the Nemesis & love it, but you really can’t go wrong with either of these. Only reason I never bought the Timeline is because I have all of Strymon’s individual delays. Source Audio is killing it right now. The Ventris is amazing & their single true spring reverb pedal is killer as well.
Which small Strymon delay do like best?
Eric Filsinger El Capistan is my favorite, but the new Volante is pretty amazing too.
Ive had many delay pedals, the timeline lve had and sold, then recently repurchased . During covid l order the nemesis and really love it. After using both, l love the size and performance of the nemesis. In my most honest and humble opinion the timeline is still the king of delays. I recently got the collider rev-delay and love it. Source audio has really knocked it out. I hope with firware updates they catch up to strymon. I believe they will.
Timeline sounds much more warm and alive to me. It has a kind of depth to it's sound that the Nemesis does not. Nemesis sounds very typical digital delay to me (Boss stuff) which is not bad, but sounds a bit thin and lifeless in comparison. I had a Nemesis and sold it for the exact same reason I'm explaining. I can hear in this video what I was hearing with my Nemesis as well. Thanks!
Glad this helped you. Just curious, did you get a Timeline?
Well I used to have the Timeline and Bigsky but after one year of using them constantly live and in recording sessions, I realized that for the reverb in the studio there are way better options in plugin format that sound x1000 times better than anything in pedal (super realistic impulse responses by Altiverb and Lexicon native plugins, etc...). For the delay, I have an actual Tape echo by Fulltone which I use in the studio as well as my analog delays (EHX DMM 1100 which sounds incredible and Boss DM-2W which works great with high gain stuff).
I also recently got a Ventris which although has lots of lots of features but to be honest did not sound as exciting as some people on the web try to represent the pedal. It just sounds like a good enough reverb and I don't need two reverbs at the same time nor I need all those fancy features ^^ So I sold it and for live I went back to using the Hall of Fame version 2 which sounds very good and *soundwise* IMO can easily compete with the big names (especially with ambient presets and Toneprint).
What I really want is a pedal which can load any impulse response I want into it (with at least 96k!) as I find the actual IR reverbs sound way better than any mediocre reverb pedals out there. But as far as I know there is no such thing available yet, except one which I forgot the name but I had to sell it as it was buggy, very weak processor and did not accept many IRs I had. Hopefully someone does it soon!
Cheers,
konnektlive agree. Timeline sounds acceptable. If you want a good digital delay imo get an eventide rack unit. Source Audio stuff always sounds odd to me same with Empress; I’m not saying it’s bad but I’ll stick with my analogue units.
Yeah well I have tried almost all high end units in the market in the past couple of years and no delay unit could ever get the place of my analogue delays on my board. The only thing that sounded better than my analog delays is the Fulltone Tape Echo, that's it. In the digital world I think Boss DD-3 sounded great to me but again I don't really use any digital anymore. Only digital on my board is the tuner and Hall of Fame V2.
Also, to be honest if I could use our actual studio plate reverb in live show I would, but it's freakin' inconvenient and very difficult to use. I think I may go hunt a good old spring tank later if I could find the money ^^
Well they make a lot of pedals that's what makes us different. We can choose. They r both amazing.
Both are excellent.
Nemesis owner here: I love ping pong delays, but had issues getting a sound I liked with my Nemesis. The problem is the 1st ping on one amp is at lets call it 100% volume, then the pong on the second amp is still at 100% volume. So the repeats continue on for longer than I would like and seem exaggerated instead of fading away as you would expect. Ideally I would have the option in the Neuro software to make each repeat quieter in volume. Like a standard delay pedal.
Thanks for the comment man.
It is possible to turn down the Tap 2 Level in the Neuro Mobile App or the Neuro Desktop Editor. Feel free to email us at contact@sourceaudio.net if you have any other questions about the Nemesis. Great video, Nathan!
sourceaudioeffects thanks! The Ventris is blowing me away also. Videos on the way!
Timeline is good at algorithm, NEMESIS is good at tone(better adc dac?)
your demos sounds great. i’d recommend you get an A/B switch so you can hear each side unbuffered (influenced by the circuitry) from the other pedal.
Thanks for the comment!
Can't realistically justify the outlay for either pedal personally, just came here for the pleasant sounds.
I enjoyed them.
If you like these sounds, you will probably like the other stuff on my channel also. You make ambient stuff?
Nathan Shafer - PedalNerds Hi Nathan, already a subscriber & fan of your content, good stuff.
Yes, I record ambient music amongst other things but as mentioned, both these units are priced above what I’m prepared to invest. I use the EHX Canyon & a couple of other units instead, getting the Oceans 11 too... looking forward to Pt.2 of the video.
Glad you are a subscriber. You could do really well with the Canyon and Oceans 11. Just curious, is there any type of videos you would like to see more of from my channel?
Nathan Shafer - PedalNerds
Just keep doing what you do, it works for me 👍
ok!
I was heavily leaning on getting either the Timeline or the Boss DD-500 for a powerhouse of delays, but now im reconsidering. I think the Nemesis might be the best sounding unit. Only thing i dont like is having to use the app to edit patches and that its not analog dry thru
Thanks for stopping by!
Very nice comparison. You've essentially shown that both pedals are very comparable on those engines that are shared by both. I'm still on the fence as to which to buy.
I would agree with some of the feedback from a couple other viewers. A view into what each of the pedals does that differentiates them would be helpful. And running them in an A/B set up would be more ideal, instead of running one into the other.
Nemesis. Because 1) I already own one and 2) It doesn't have the "Worship Music" associations that inevitably come with anything Strymon.
No analog dry-through but that's because they modeled the preamps (eg: EP-3, Memory Man,, Binson, Space Echo, etc) and, if you run it with a blender or with two amps in wet/dry, it doesn't matter at all. You can always have that dry-through thing and blend accordingly.
Would love to know your source for the preamp info
@@shckltnebay
Dan Steinhardt of That Pedal Show
@@mattgilbert7347 WTF?
Nemesis, Ventris, Gemini and LA Lady arriving tomorrow! Most of my other pedals headed to craigslist soon after!
Wow, have fun! Excellent pedals those are.
@@Pedalnerds I won them from Pro Audio Star! I've been geeking out on video reviews for days. Super stoked!
@@wwtastingroom75 Dude congrats! That's awesome! I've got a few other videos using Source Audio pedals if you haven't seen them already.
@@Pedalnerds Checking them out now! What a versatile tool these pedals are!
Great video as always my friend, Both pedals are excellent.🎸
I agree. Do you own either of them?
Nathan Shafer timeline it's coming soon😃
That's exciting!
Nemesis is a good delay...but the Timeline is better in so many ways...
Tell us about the "many ways"....I'm thrilled
Very nice comparison. Would it be possible for you to compare the Nemesis with the Echosystem? Single delay vs dual delay (+looper but no direct Midi); Thx!
Seems to me it would've been more helpful to hear the big differences between the two. This video seems to confirm they are very similar in their shared modes. I still wouldn't know which one to buy. They both sound awesome! :)
Just traded my nemesis for the timeline which should be here in a couple of days. Hope I made the right decision. Buy once, cry once.
Well how is it? Loving mine
why ??u didnt liked nemesis?
Great demo they are the closest I’ve heard yet
Thanks!
INemesis because it's the one I own but two gripes 1) No display screen 2) That auto ping-pong on all stereo delays when outputs A & B are engaged. Sure, you have the app & desktop editor and can tweak the delays to lessen the ping-pong, but it does annoy me, However, for under $300 and for the size, with all those deep editing features, I'll be keeping it. Yep, I'll keep it until I learn how to use it properly with MIDI, then I'll put it on my board LOL
So are you saying it does ping pong when hooked up in stereo? Or what? Also if i use it mono will it try to do this still?
@@aguitarhero007 Yeah the stereo field does tend to default to ping-pong. Not always, and you can tweak it.
As for mono, no that doesn't apply. The delays can stack but not ping-pong.
I use the Nemesis and Ventris with my Analog syths. I have an old Korg MES-30 as well as the Moog Mother32 and the DFAM. These pedals just thicken the sounds and expand the sonic territory. Watch the Sonic Lab or the synth demo guy from Sweetwater Daniel Fisher. They get more from this than we guitar players can
I sold my timeline to get the Nemesis and I don’t regret it. Timeline is no doubt a great delay pedal but for me Nemeses is the winner and pairing it with the Ventris it’s heavenly.
Yes, I love the Nemesis also.
For me I am getting the Nemesis. It's more of a natural sound with analog display. I would like to know where they were made before my purchase.
robert stephens The Nemesis is made in China
Thank you for the awesome video! I’ve had a TC Flashback Triple Delay and a Hall of Fame Reverb for a few years and I love that combo, but was looking to change the delay because of size. Now I am completely set on getting the Nemesis and the Ventris. One question: will I need a midi controller for each pedal, or can I control both with one controller? I’ve never used midi before but it seems like the obvious way to go with those pedals... what’s a good and yet easy to use controller? Thanks for the info!
marciolimongi glad you like the video! Check out the Source Audio Midi foot controller that can be used to control both of these pedals. There are other midi options out there but this is a good option.
Both sound great. Things I'm considering: ping-pong vs "better" stereo field, presets, display. These features make the Timeline a much better option for live use, IMO. I've upgraded my reverb pedals, now it's time to choose a delay pedal. I'm seriously considering the Timeline. Nathan, you should compare the Timeline and El Cap: specifically, tape age, crinkle, bias, and wow and flutter (each individually). I love the sound of the repeats in your "We Three Kings" video. I'm wondering if the Timeline can achieve the same character.
Good insights. The Timeline dTape vs El Cap would make for an interesting video. Hmm. Or maybe Timeline tape vs Nemesis tape vs El Cap?
If you have the budget and play live alot: Timeline wins
How do you figure Time-line has better stereo field? Can you even use the stereo effects with all delay types?
@@poulwinther Yes you can
@@shckltnebay Thanks Eric. I was pretty settled on Ventris but just found out that specifically its tape delay mode reduces the 2.6 sec delay time to 1.2 sec. Do you know the max delay time of dTape? And does it then maintain sufficient processing power to ping-pong and pan?
You can change the stereo function on the nemesis just FYI. It doesn’t have to be ping-pong
How do you do change it from ping pong to just normal stereo? Just purchased this pedal and cannot figure it out...ping pong is getting really haha
@@mydarkestofdreams You have to do it in the Neuro app, in the I/O Routing Option menu. If you're running mono, you should have the "Default - Auto Select" chosen, and it will sum your ping-pongs to mono. If you're running stereo, why don't you want ping pong? :-D
@@caseyscott1766 maybe because it sounds goofy and unmusical
@@pibroch "...to me." There, fixed it for you. :-D I happen to like mine (and find it both musical and inspiring every time I play through it).
Best demo for the two I’m shooting our. This video isn’t helping me decide. Guess I’ll get both.
I own both. They are both amazing and of the highest quality. Drawbacks for the Nemesis are for me: no shimmer, no way to go through presets by foot, the deep editing can only be done through a phone app or by midi controller, no looper function. But sound quality is superb.
The Timeline has no ping-pong (you can only do it with the dual engine).
Timeline wins for me because of the easier editing and preset switching by foot.
Nemesis if you don't want to spend 500 and save some space on your board and you don't mind selection presets by hand.
colaboytje Nemesis allows you to switch presets with your foot, here’s how: while it’s bypassed, press and hold the tap tempo switch for a half second and it’ll advance the preset selection.
@@jonathanstotts I know, I was wrong. My bad. I do it through midi.
WRONG TIMELINE has Pingpong on the Dual mode when you set it to parallel
Nemesis for me. Timeline sounds too chorusy
I have them both. Both have great sounds. The UI on the Nemesis is not as good as the timeline. Relies too much on the app and no screen. Source Audio needs to put these engines in a box it deserves!
i feel nemesis more intense, which one would would you prefer for ambient cords with a synth? I feel Nemesis suits me more for the intensity
They will both work well with a synth. It comes down to personal preference. I like the layout of the Nemesis a little better and find it easier to dial in. That is me though.
Nemesis tone is better don't u think? Btw great review!
They are both very very good delay units. I'm not sure yet which one I like the best. Glad you like the video!
Do you own one of these delays?
Nathan Shafer unfortunetly no...but such powerful units like that...so amazing...i prefer my dba echodream2, the tone is quite warm!
I haven't tried the Echo Dream 2 but I bet it's great!
you should try! endless tones possibilities, this baby is simply amazing!
As a formar senior engineer at Roland and having worked since 1988 as a service centre for virtually every make of electronic equipment; my vote goes to the Timeline. The Nemisis is very good in a few areas and sounds cleaner, it is also cheaper and has a smaller foot print. However, the auto Ping Pong with stereo input is a no no for me, also the lack of display and reliance on an app is also not good, the Timeline had a very good analogue like quality and the phasing and tape were better IMHO (I have serviced hundreds of Roland and Watkins tape echos and the Nemisis sounded like it needed a damm good service!).
Timeline sounds amazing and wins in that case but the nemesis is great too and its cheaper. So the question is how much do i want to spend. Used is about $200 nemesis or $400 strymon.. the nemesis is more on my price range but the strymon is tempting but will hurt the wallet! decisions!
Did you decide between the Nemesis and Timeline?
So does the Nemesis not have a “swell” setting like the timeline? I’m actually not sure I like it as much on the timeline as some other swell delay effects I’ve heard, as the timeline doesn’t really seem to take out the initial attack of the note... not knocking either of these pedals as they’re both amazeballs, but have just been trying to find a good “swell” in one of these higher-end multi-delay pedals
The Nemesis has the "diffuse" setting which reduces the initial attack of each repeat. If you turn the mix all of the way up the initial dry signal will also be removed.
Nathan Shafer - PedalNerds oohhh... thank you
Guess who didn't RTFM? In Timeline dTape mode the GRIT controls tape Bias... NORMAL/CORRECT Bias is GRIT control at 9 O'Clock. Filter controls TAPE AGE, which also incorporates SATURATION. Higher Filter = Older Tape = Less Fidelity = More Saturation.
Timeline easily.
Timeline sounds better and has a display. Also costs at least double. Personally I'm busy comparing Timeline (or Space) to Mooer Ocean Machine and Seymor Duncan Andromeda.
The Timeline really does sound great! I’m curious to hear it against the Moore Ocean Machine. Are you going to make a video?
Ha! I don't have that kind of money man. And to complicate matters there's also the GFI Specular Tempus to consider. If I make a video it's going to be of whichever one I end up with.
Enoch Dark I understand man. I had to sell the DD500 to get the Nemesis
Good call though, I think of all of them the Boss is at the bottom of my list.
I liked the functionality of the DD500 a lot, but the tones coming out of the Nemesis and Timeline were a little higher IMO.
The ping pong is putting me off the comparison. It's pretty annoying having to have that on.
That can be disabled through the Neuro app.
How do you disable it in the neuro app? Just purchased this pedal but cannot get the ping pong effect off..@@Pedalnerds
@@mydarkestofdreams You can disable the Ping Pong effect by changing the Tap 1 pan and Tap 2 pan. By default Tap 1 is panned hard left and Tap 2 is panned hard right. You can have these going to center or choose the "Sum L+R to Mono Output" option.
@@Pedalnerds when you disable the ping pong effect do the delays still have some sort of stereo field?
One Thing I don't like about Strymon reverb and delay pedals is that Strymon always add slight mid range boost to the dry tone just like some sort of MSG. However, Nemesis and ventris both have very natural sound. That is why nemesis+ventris kicked timeline+bigsky out of my board. They sound more natural, are smaller and cheaper.
Mid boost? Imposible, all are analog dry through