Peyton Manning summed this up well I thought. When his team won he always said "we did this right, we executed here, we made it work" when his team lost he said "I made mistakes here, I should have done something else, I need to fix that"
@Crom of course, what i am saying though is extreme ownership presents a difficult route, especially for someone who is prone to making excuses, because taking responsibility like this is humbling and uncomfortable. Inevitably when faced with this some may try to rationalize away this thought process "if i take too much extreme ownership then my family life will suffer so I'd better not take extreme ownership " but just as Joko pointed out that is a limited way of looking at it and not in line with the spirit of extreme ownership. The death knell of all excuses is when the person making the excuses looks to undermine that which threatens their ability to make the excuses, which extreme ownership does very well
Extreme ownership is not about blaming yourself for everything. It’s about owning up to your responsibilities and being brutally honest about improving.
Extreme Ownership is a tool to achieve your goals. The good or evil of the objective is not a result of Extreme Ownership, rather it is from the morality of thing being done.
Hitchens made an argument against vicarious redemption that seems like it may apply here and not be too far off the mark from the point jocko is making. He may have been quoting someone else so please forgive me if I’m not giving someone credit. Essentially the argument is that if I like you I can accept a punishment or pay a fine on your behalf but I can’t accept your responsibility and it would be immoral to do so. If you buy into that sentiment then maybe one component of the extreme ownership philosophy is that you must take ownership of being measured in what you take ownership of - I.e. it’s not admirable or effective to take ownership of responsibility for its own sake and without measure, you must be discerning and wise enough to ensure it’s yours to take. Though you can’t really fault someone for over shooting as you err on the side of caution... at least not in the the same way you might for under shooting.... so there’s also that.
Extreme ownership... Believe in what you are doing. Internalize extreme ownership so that you are accountable carrying productivity and bettering yourself. Operational effectiveness. Keep a schedule to balance...how do I encourage a non receptive family? Broken record? Help me Jocco and Echo!
I see how Jockos face doesn't get enough screentime so you guys decided to put a picture of his face to echos shirt. Maybe put one on the background as well?
It makes me think of the arguments about the differences between "contributory" and "comparative" negligence states. It's different though because extreme ownership is about backing it back and looking at how you and you alone should have foreseen the thing that the other person might have fallen down in doing but would not have had you done something differently. kind of. i mean, that's what i get from listening to you guys and thinking about past situations where i have blamed other people. i see how i should have done something differently before they even had a chance to do the tiny thing they did that has become a crux of an argument or something negative like that. it's the same thing that my different aa sponsors have said. they say that if you have drank in the last year and get in an argument with somebody, it's your fault. you're off kilter and grumpy because of some other shit situation in your life etc. and even beyond that, being in one job and not another because of fighting etc. if you see each thing as because of something in the past before it that you knew to do or say better but you just didn't, it's all you and just move forward without making the current situation a bad one. it's sort of the flip-side of leadership, but...... idk, my sponsors have been Army Rangers, Bikers, Regular Navy Dudes and Marines who had SEALS for sponsors, it's not like they didn't extract their philosophy of how to deal with crap from actual leadership. This is probably the best podcast out there. Thanks Echo and Jocko.
The example given of a team failure (of which you are in charge) and taking ownership. Taking that ownership benefits you and your personal growth but it may have just as much of a negative effect on echo who doesn't suffer any consequences for his failure. How do you take that ownership and help echo to do the same?
Jay's World Of Rods something tells me it’s a knock knock or some fundamental dad joke with an added nuance that you’re unsure if you’re supposed to laugh or not
Both of those examples are of bad people. You can't account for what people with ilintentioned motives do. At least not when considering ownership of your own decisions. There will always be shitty people out there. Just don't be one of them.
Damn, was hoping Jocko was wearing a T-shirt with Echo Charles face on it
Peyton Manning summed this up well I thought. When his team won he always said "we did this right, we executed here, we made it work" when his team lost he said "I made mistakes here, I should have done something else, I need to fix that"
Ken Clague from Manning’s home state, his family was a state treasure because they never BS’d
Go Big Orange!
He embodies the positive tough guy meme, love this community
Jocko is the calm, strong voice of reason!
Jocko’s impression of Echo’s voice at 0:32 and 0:41.
A wise man once said “ Only a moron gives advise to a horses ass”. Keep it up. As a veteran I love what your doing and how you represent us. Aloha. C
WHAT'S THE BEST ARGUMENT OVER HAVING.....
SKINNY KNEES
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DimensionZombie how long have you posted about skinny knees on jockos channel lol?
@@BIGREDTECH
Enough that people get angry and tell me to stop
Because they have SKINNY KNEES themselves
Skinny knees 😑
one of the most important books in my life.
Thanks Jocko and Echo; I will be putting the UFC cage into my extreme ownership.
That question seems like they're trying to rationalize not taking extreme ownership, the death knell of all excuses.
@Crom of course, what i am saying though is extreme ownership presents a difficult route, especially for someone who is prone to making excuses, because taking responsibility like this is humbling and uncomfortable. Inevitably when faced with this some may try to rationalize away this thought process "if i take too much extreme ownership then my family life will suffer so I'd better not take extreme ownership " but just as Joko pointed out that is a limited way of looking at it and not in line with the spirit of extreme ownership. The death knell of all excuses is when the person making the excuses looks to undermine that which threatens their ability to make the excuses, which extreme ownership does very well
Anything can be taken too far... We like to say "extreme" like there's no limit, but there's always got to be some "good judgment". ;o)
Jocko's next book "Good Judgement Ownership"
@@interfilamentar413 One can hope. ;o)
Extreme ownership is not about blaming yourself for everything. It’s about owning up to your responsibilities and being brutally honest about improving.
Extreme Ownership is a tool to achieve your goals. The good or evil of the objective is not a result of Extreme Ownership, rather it is from the morality of thing being done.
Hitchens made an argument against vicarious redemption that seems like it may apply here and not be too far off the mark from the point jocko is making. He may have been quoting someone else so please forgive me if I’m not giving someone credit. Essentially the argument is that if I like you I can accept a punishment or pay a fine on your behalf but I can’t accept your responsibility and it would be immoral to do so. If you buy into that sentiment then maybe one component of the extreme ownership philosophy is that you must take ownership of being measured in what you take ownership of - I.e. it’s not admirable or effective to take ownership of responsibility for its own sake and without measure, you must be discerning and wise enough to ensure it’s yours to take. Though you can’t really fault someone for over shooting as you err on the side of caution... at least not in the the same way you might for under shooting.... so there’s also that.
Extreme ownership... Believe in what you are doing. Internalize extreme ownership so that you are accountable carrying productivity and bettering yourself. Operational effectiveness. Keep a schedule to balance...how do I encourage a non receptive family? Broken record? Help me Jocco and Echo!
Brilliant Video.
Always a pleasure
I see how Jockos face doesn't get enough screentime so you guys decided to put a picture of his face to echos shirt. Maybe put one on the background as well?
Problem?
ownership of quantity scales should be justified by dependencies
It makes me think of the arguments about the differences between "contributory" and "comparative" negligence states. It's different though because extreme ownership is about backing it back and looking at how you and you alone should have foreseen the thing that the other person might have fallen down in doing but would not have had you done something differently. kind of. i mean, that's what i get from listening to you guys and thinking about past situations where i have blamed other people. i see how i should have done something differently before they even had a chance to do the tiny thing they did that has become a crux of an argument or something negative like that. it's the same thing that my different aa sponsors have said. they say that if you have drank in the last year and get in an argument with somebody, it's your fault. you're off kilter and grumpy because of some other shit situation in your life etc. and even beyond that, being in one job and not another because of fighting etc. if you see each thing as because of something in the past before it that you knew to do or say better but you just didn't, it's all you and just move forward without making the current situation a bad one. it's sort of the flip-side of leadership, but...... idk, my sponsors have been Army Rangers, Bikers, Regular Navy Dudes and Marines who had SEALS for sponsors, it's not like they didn't extract their philosophy of how to deal with crap from actual leadership. This is probably the best podcast out there. Thanks Echo and Jocko.
The example given of a team failure (of which you are in charge) and taking ownership. Taking that ownership benefits you and your personal growth but it may have just as much of a negative effect on echo who doesn't suffer any consequences for his failure. How do you take that ownership and help echo to do the same?
Perfect counter argument for the wife I do this for you not me
Would he voice any dissenting propositions that successfully deconstruct his worldview?
Is that the Chuck Norris home gym?
I'm buying a Joko shirt. To cool?
100%.
UFC cage!!!! 😭
Jocko*
I came as fast as I could.
That means 2 things.........Lol
Day 4 of asking for Mike Maroney
I have a question for jocko. What's your favorite joke?
Jay's World Of Rods something tells me it’s a knock knock or some fundamental dad joke with an added nuance that you’re unsure if you’re supposed to laugh or not
@@prestonw5891 right
Guns
Discrimination... #NOKAY
Both of those examples are of bad people. You can't account for what people with ilintentioned motives do. At least not when considering ownership of your own decisions. There will always be shitty people out there. Just don't be one of them.
I personally think both arguments sucked lmao
What you need is the GOSPEL
1st Corinthians 15:1-8.
Eternal life is more important.
Amen brother. Thanks for this!
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