Waifu's Are Officially Over Rated. | Gacha Revenue Sensor Tower [September]
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- sensor tower revenue update for the month of august for gacha games mobile only. Gacha smack weighs in.
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i think this might be ppl picking 1 or 2 gachas to "main" cuz anymore than that and it becomes a fucking job
You aren't lying, just trying to maintain hsr wuwa and zzz got me drained. A lot of the time, I just try to knock out the dailies as quick as possible just for the currency
@@CupOfWhiskey I Only play fast daily and simple game that don't take much time , i quit genshin and Wuwa because they are open world // so I play zzz and HSR only really simple fast daily fast gameplay
I'm juggling DBZ: Dokkan Battle, Dragon Ball Legends, HSR, and ZZZ 😂😂 I had to let go of WuWa unfortunately
@GAMINGHOYO i feel you, in wuwa though you can complete the dailies really fast if you're caught up
@@CupOfWhiskey That's the reason I want to catch up but am too lazy to explore an open world ...at least when I play zzz and HSR for the first time I don't need to explore that much ..
Too many waifus - high competition. Not enough husbendos - low competition. Simple.
facts
genshin must be feeling the burn with how much QoL and "complete this in x time for extra rewards" theyre dropping lol
HUSBU GAME RISE UP 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Too many entertainment options - high competition. Not enough quality - low WuWa sales. Simple.
Dam the facts
Love and Deepspace doesn't market properly in global. Similar to Punishing Gray Raven, the devs are counting on the players to do the marketing for them through social media and word-of-mouth.
This tactic will make the game remain obscure like PGR. They really need to invest in global marketing instead of solely relying on CN to carry them.
CN has more otome games, the genre isn't that niche. So after seeing how much money LADS is making, I wouldn't be surprised if a serious competitor appeared eventually like WuWa did for Genshin. The devs are going to regret not capitalizing on their success by marketing more on global.
All that aside though, I'm glad the game is doing well. I'm having a lot of fun since the game launched.
I hope more games take note of this and add better designed male characters to their roster.
Expecting a high-budget, open-world otome game soon thanks to LaDS's insane success now, lol.
💯💯
Gay
3D men that look like K-pop idols will never be top-selling out of Asia. Beauty standards are everything in these games.
@@AnaPaula-kt1oi yeah because the personalities of the local men out there are absolute trash, might as well go for the next best thing; outer appearance
LaD just does not have localization at many languages and they do not buy advertising outside of China. I learned about this game from your video at last month and told my friends about it. They also had not heard anything about this game before. Now we're playing LaD instead of Genshin, which hasn't had any new male characters for a year.
And donation is not available in my region. Unfortunately, developers just don't care about the global market(((
Idk I've been BOMBARDED by LnD ads for the past 2 months (not complaining)
I don't know about that, I think your algorithm just didn't do its job AHAH (also, idk where you're from, tbh).
I'm from Europe and I've known about the game since day 1 and I immediately started playing! My friends also knew about the game, it has been and still is ALL OVER my TWT, TikTok, and IG. The global socials are quite active, there are always many giveaways, contests, etc. There was even an offline event back in July in LA. They have been expanding. BUT their focus is indeed on China. And that's because of Chinese culture. Fangirls tend to focus on one game and spend A LOT on their faves. Same thing happens with idols.
Otome games are also quite popular and "normal" in asian culture, while in the west they are not as popular and I can't tell you the amount of times I got backlash or dirty looks for playing a romance game. Because here in the west if you play a romance game then you must be a loser that can't get a date. (of course, I'm not a pushover and I do bite, so people don't really say anything to me specifically but that's a whole other issue. Can you tell I have ADHD? Anyways...)
Also, there are a couple of unofficial merch stores in my area and all the LADS merch is ALWAYS sold out. I once went to ask for a Rafayel keychain and the girl working at the store literally told me "I stocked them two hours ago, there were 50 and they're already gone, sorry, I only have five Xaviers and two Zaynes left". And it was the same with laminated cards and pins. It's INSANE.
The thing is that, as I said, in the west it's usually males paying for gatcha games. Females tend to be f2ps and manage their resources wisely. A lot of players (as I've seen on reddit) are also 30+ with families to take care of, so they obviously would spend less. While in China, as I said, it's basically normal to spend an insane amount of money on these kinds of games.
Another example is Tears of Themis that REALLY doesn't do well in the global but is okay in china.
Light and Night makes millions (doesn't have a global localization but the result would be the same)
For All Time / Lovebrush Chronicles is the same.
And if we move to Japan we have Twisted Wonderland (not really an otome, but we can dream)
The thing is that in the west there's a stigma about these games and until it's gone we won't be able to move forward.
Also, in China female players spend this much money on otomes because of the toxic male players that dox females players that ask for more male characters in other gatchas (it has happened with Genshin, for example. There has been the whole Scaramouche and cats problem, man, Chinese male players are insane), so females kinda don't really have a choice if they want male characters.
Sorry for the long comment. This was just to explain that it's not that the devs don't care about the global market. It's that they would end up losing money 'cause the global market doesn't have "space" for otomes.
@@lucyshire Well, it looks like I'm that standard gamer over 30 who just buys games to play a little after work) I usually don't have time for social networks, so I don't understand most of the situations you describe. My friends are the same)
I don't understand what the problem is with male characters in hoyo games? They currently have 3 games, but they are all aimed at the same audience of single men with the same characters. Why not "give" one of the projects to another audience? Genshin was originally a game for girls. He's so cute and colorful, I don't know when male players appeared there)
I'm actually not very interested in playing LaD. I'm more interested in gameplay than dating.
I play it simply because male characters have stopped appearing in hoyo projects, and female characters in gachas look boring and unattractive
@@Justalittlelizard Lucky. I only see ZZZ ads on RUclips every day(((
@@rbl6301 I'm almost 30 and my friends are either 30 or over, so I guess we just live different lives ahahah I'm VERY into nerdy things, so I'm very often on socials looking at fanarts, merch from artists, game memes, etc. I also keep updated about games through socials. So probably that's why you didn't get ads or general content about LADS!
The thing is that Hoyo did make a game "for girls", and it's Tears of Themis. But unfortunately it's a very general card-based game with no real combat (the story it's bomb, tho, I truly do love it. If you couldn't tell... I play A LOT of gatchas everyday).
I don't think Genshin was intended for girls. Hoyo has always had a male-focused audience (if you look at their previous games). Genshin was supposed to be a game for a YOUNG audience, with the bright colors, the fun and easy gameplay (cause the gameplay IS easy af), but because of the pandemic (as genshin came out at the end of September 2020) it went absolutely viral and more adult players started getting interested. Over the years the difficulty of the game has been somewhat adjusted to fit the new player demographic but it's still very much a more "childish" game.
And you could say as a counter argument that the lore is dark and deep... But honestly? With Paimon just repeating and summarizing EVERYTHING in a simple way for the players... Yeah, my point still stands.
Also, about LADS, I really suggest reading into the lore cause it's dark, it's sad and they're a joke in the fandom they it's like "where's the Love in this Deepspace", or the game names gets funnily changed to depression and Deepspace lol
A new comment section to watch burn potentially. Lets grab some popcorn and get to watchin. Whats funny is i love all 4 gacha games i play (Hsr, Wuwa, DragonBall Legends and Zzz somewhat) and watching people wage war over this stuff rather than enjoying the game is hilarious.
Couldn’t agree more, it’s so stupid, this month a game could be at 90 mill, next month it can be at 30 million, and 70 mill, this chart indicates nothing but people act like it’s gospel
@@Infinite_exhilaration Bout the most it indicates is how unlucky whales got in my eyes. That's kinda how I've always looked at these revenue charts even though there are ofc more variables to it but revenue doesn't dictate how much you can enjoy a game
@@nation408yeah, i see ToF revenue reports (public company) and they basically still get 10m per month, that surprised me ngl
Same, I love all the games I play, Genshin, Wuwa and HSR. Fighting over who make the most money, instead of enjoying the game is kinda 😅
Ayo fellow DBL enjoyer
LaDS is insanely successful for two reasons. One - half of the human population is... well, female and many of them also play games now. The gaming industry - especially the gacha gaming industry, refuses to accept this. 2 - it's a big fish in a little pond... or should I say, an emerging and untapped market. There's no other otome competitor that offers the same level of high-quality polish or budget as LaDS.
LaDS actually isnt changing anything. Its literally carried by CN, and Chinese companies have been making these female focused games for years. Tencent had a Chinese wuxia fashion game (where you just collect digital costumes to impress husbandos, selling them for thousands of DOLLARS, literally more than actual name brand clothing) that was top of the revenue charts in China for years.
Lots of women in China play mobile games, and lots of them are filthy rich. That has been the case before LaDS, and is still the case after. Most of these husbando games never leave China because global doesnt care, and looking at the revenue breakdown, they still dont.
Look at Hoyo's husbando game... where did it go? Even with Hoyo's branding behind it, it fell off a cliff.
Right now you're just getting a glimpse into something that's unique to the Chinese gaming market. Soccer moms in the west are still going to play their candy crushes and facebook games. These games will never be mainstream outside Asia for the same reason hentai will never be mainstream porn.
Even Hoyoverse have Tear of Themis
@@RazeluxeMeitzen7 And yet it's not making LaDS numbers because it's just another cheap 2D jpeg visual novel.
@@zippo718 While not wrong, I just want to add something in regard's to Hoyo's so-called otome: That thing is a joke.
I tried it out only because certain acquaintance of mine made fun of it, of how Hoyo can't even properly pander to girls in game meant for them, and it's correct. Outside of cards, this doesn't even feel like otome. I dare saying that ZZZ's Lighter's cover pic for his upcoming story is more fanservice for women than anything I saw in ToT. Hell, those certain Genshin character stories are more otome than anything in ToT. Thing is just dry as hell.
From a quick online search, China's economy is indeed taking a hit which may contribute to the lower sales onto these Gacha games from that region.
david zhang??
Also, last month of Wukong's month. Almost the whole of CN gaming crowd was playing it
Husbandos are taking over
Finally.
If Zenless is a supportive role, it's a damn good high quality ass supportive role. Game is easily one of the best gacha ever made alongside Nikke.
You mean the best tv simulator ???
@@Danielplays_247 Say you didn't play the game in a while without saying you didn't play a game in a while. They heavily changed how the TVs work and removed 99% of them. You don't even have to use them in endgame now. By 1.4 they will rework whole prologue of the game so I'm guessing they will remove them there aswell. I haven't seen a TV screen since 1.2 droped.
@@nerio1227 This is most of the gacha community tho, having opinions based on their experience from months/years ago
@@AgentSephiroth Yeah and it's always hilarious to me. Alongside gacha revenue wars.
@@AgentSephirothyeah like Genshin being BoTW clone, and WuWa being a buggy & laggy mess, not even trying to see that these games already grow out of those problems
The real Genshin Killer - Love and Deepspace
It came in with a steel chair and knocked everybody out.
How many countries' worth of GDP has Sylus generated by now?
@@SM-oc4rcwhat? There're many countries with over 100 million USD in terms of GDP. Below that is functionally a failed state. I would even say that below 1 billion dollars annual GDP is already extremely low.
@@bltzcstrnx It was a joke. Are you artistic?
I really want to see how Camellya in WuWa, Miyabi in ZZZ, and the Pyro archon in Genshin are going to sell.
I would argue that they're the most anticipated characters in their respective games. If 1/3 does well then it's a content provlem, if all 3 does bad then it's the gacha genre that's falling off.
Honeslty wouldn't be surprising if they all underperform as expected, It has become clear that Gacha revenues are going down for these games.
You're assuming hoyo would drop Miyabi and Mauvika so close together?
I need miyabi, she's so cool
@@MagxNolia miyabi's dropping in 1.4 so somewhere around january
@@MagxNolia I was speaking in general but yeah they're most likely going to canabalize each other sales.
The pyro archon is in 5.2 while Miyabi is in 1.4, Miyabi's last week should interfere with Mayvika's first week.
Smack, Shorekeeper already came out. The first two days of her banner, which is where most revenue comes in, is already included for this report’s 6M, not the next one. It’s more than likely going to be worse for October.
Kuro koping is wild. ‘Wait til Yinlin’ ‘Wait til Jinhsi’ ‘Wait til Changli’ ‘Wait til Shorekeeper’ ‘Wait til Camylla’
Honestly, seeing the hype after SK Ai release and her viability for the game as well as next character release, October might jump quite higher then September.
No chance they catch up with top titles though. As the game is Way less casual then orhers as well as quite generous thus revenue drop ☕
First two days aren't where the peak comes though since revenue on these charts aren't front loaded like that, it first 3-5 days, where you see the peak, 1-2 does barely nothing, it why many people say first 3-5 days are where it at
@@杨自己-l6nNah. You can literally see this is always the trend for gacha games on the day to day rankings on Sensor Tower. WuWa was ranked 12 in China the day SK came out, dropped to 20 on the second day, and then nowhere near the top 25 on day 3. The bulk of revenue absolutely is the first two days as that’s when whales spend the most. Most whales don’t suddenly decide to wait until 4 days later if they already intended on spending.
@@Anthony-so4goIt doesn’t matter if people later realize that SK is meta. Most of the spending always happens in the first few days. There’s not going to be a sudden surge in revenue until the next banner. And the only other banner this month is a Jiyan rerun. October is going to be lower than September. You’ll have to wait for Camellya for the big jump, and even that probably won’t be that much.
29:23 one example I could think of is the bouncy mushrooms in Genshin vs the bouncy mushrooms in Wuwa. In Genshin it feels like jumping on a trampoline and it's fun but in Wuwa it's just teleport you up in the air and then you fall down and it teleport you up again, you don't feel the bounce at all.
It is casual fun and people tend to overlook things like this, but I think it's an absolutely necessary polish element for an open world game.
I love the smell of copium in the morning
Lmfao
otome games have always been pretty popular and LAD has a certain polish and gameplay loop that isn't common with that genre. hot men are hot and the company seems to be pretty active with the community which helps I'm sure
From one I notice otome games are way more popular in Asia regions than In west . People ignore ideafactory Ab games all the time .
I think Robin pulled her weight also. E1 is incredibly broken so I wouldnt be surprised if people spent just to get that in addition to Feixiao.
Imagine playing several gachas, doing dailies everyday, extra chores everyday... Nah.. I will just stick with 1-2. HSR and WuWa.
ZZZ is the most bareable. one and done in 10 seconds.
These numbers are only a fraction of the profit. I wish it would include PC and PSN
I think LADS took a big portion of the female spenders from the hoyo games lol. Just speculation of course.
Oh I wonder why... It's not like hoyo hasn't released a good looking male character for a couple patches by now.
Jiaoqiu was a a male character, but he wasn't that interesting looking and the last male character we got before him was Aventurine all the way back in 2.1, even ZZZ has no male characters despite being in 1.3(I think). So it's natural for the male character pullers to spend on a game that actually caters to their wants. If Hoyo wants the audience that left for LADS back, they better release a good male character.
@@AIA222-yu5ml I have a sister who plays that game and talks to others that play it, and it's not really about the male characters not releasing in hoyo games. The game is heavy on the pandering, and it's all straight with no gaybaiting--something they have a big problem with in the mixed games. Especially the Chinese audience, which is the majority of that game's playerbase.
Raise my hand up!
I migrated from hsr and genshin to LAD bc no new husbandos for a year! JQ is mid (I have him e6, but yeah he is mid), Kinich is meh (I have c6r5 Alhaitham, so c0s1 Kinich is enough)
In LAD, I can pay for all banners non-stop, it’s very fulfilled, and broke! 😂
I doubt it has anything to do with the majority of males in the current popular Gacha.
I watched a few CCs play it, it heavily panders to single females and gay men. If you want a male character that goes harder if not just like Jane Doe did to her fans then LaDS is just for you.
@@MikeJXWT the difference is, Sylus made more than Jane Doe despite doing the same things as her, so people do want more appealing male characters in gacha games.
Ah yes the time of month where people cry why there favorite Corparation that makes predatory mobile games, is better then another corparation that makes predatory mobile games.......truly the time to be alive
We love to see it.. all of the same npcs
Deep down you know that you wouldn't be saying this if WuWa wasn't a total flop. In an alternative universe where Kuro was competent, we'd be hearing endless 'mint', '3 years 3 pulls', and 'xyz could never' memes. Don't even have to imagine as that was the sentiment pre-launch before everyone knew much of a turd WuWa ended up being.
Let's not be hypocritical.
@@kingsimba9513you know you are attacking people assuming things, right? Don't do that.
@@kingsimba9513 bro what are u talking about💀 by comment is in refrence to BOTH hoyoshills and kurobots and any other corporate shill
@@kingsimba9513 dude whatever u smoking, I need that shit fr
Shorekeeper was in this cycle I believe (first days sell most), so it already lost a chunk of that from the next month. It's really Camelya to see how that goes, the most anticipated character not next to a free unit. That will without question be the peak WuWa can currently achieve with release hype gone imo (I don't expect it to be very impressive)
Exactly. It’s a smaller game and that’s OKAY.
@@pretty.billy.It's "Okay", If they don't label this game "Genshin killer". Those label/word basically bite them back
And who said that? Toxic ppl @@forcodingg1287
@@forcodingg1287Genshit dogs label it as that
@@forcodingg1287 Funnily enough, it was the ex-Genshin players who did that. 🤔
You're community is 10 times better than other Gacha creators. I can tell because these comments are FILLED with Corporate shills arguing about who's game is failing or falling off and bringing up bad blood from 5 months ago they saw online and never let go.
Good work on keeping people in check with the honesty and unapologetic takes.
Glad to have you back Smack
I thought ZZZ would do 50+ million tbh, but it's very stable for now at least
And btw once again, at least for me, just because I'm playing another Hoyo game doesn't mean I have to split my money,
I just spend more, and I pulled on Starrail, ZZZ, and HI3, so that's a win for them. Also are gacha games dying ? I mean they still make a shit ton of money just like before
gacha is not dying, but it looks like CN is spending much much less.
I’m sure there’s others like you but me personally I stopped spending as much and have to split what I spend between hsr and wuwa since those are my most liked out the 4 dropped zzz a month ago and haven’t looked back and no gacha ain’t goin nowhere I wouldn’t stress it
It’s not dying but i think people are starting to realize that they don’t have to spend money on every character in the games they play
@@YumiSumire Maybe, I wonder why all of a sudden
I think ZZZ is fine staying at around 30million in mobile.
And the crazy part is there is only 3 gachas on console currently. And ZZZ is one of them. They don’t want to see the real. Numbers
@@trollytrinity yeah I bet ZZZ is crushing it on consoles. I have a much better time playing on PS5 but I spend money on mobile because of slight currency discounts and Google points.
Honestly as long its keep above 20m i be happy no EoS in horizon 😂
@@trollytrinity Only 3? Thats just false bro
@@cybergamer__ ok TOF but that’s abysmal now
Checklist:
Diminish ZZZ ✅
Justify WW ✅
Dude just say you hate zzz is not that hard
as a disclaimer I don't care about zzz or ww, I just find your bias hilarious
CC's allergy to ZZZ is hilarious. It's in the middle for me, but I find it hilarious just how allergic some CC are to it.
Ex: Asmongold recently watched NTE showcase and had the dumbest take I must've ever heard. He crapped on ZZZ for how braindead its combat is, but then... called Genshin's combat as peak in gacha games. WuWa didn't feel as "smooth" and ZZZ is too braindead, but Genshin is the master when it comes to combat? It's even funnier when you realize that he never played the said game. At least he claims that.
Hey btw Wuwa has an event going on that will end before the patch ends, you should do them before blaming kuro again
LMAO
🤣 this man is a little bitch, don't expect anything but a ban
lol
Good one ☕
luckily there is no illusive realm
I don't see how ZZZ is going to drop. With the 1.2 patch and the removal of TV mode alot of people have come back to the game. And with Burnice coming out in the middle of the month as the 1st off field dps we will see similar numbers next month. Around 33 -37 million.
Wuwa on the other hand will probably be between 4 -8 million as Shorekeeper was already out for 2 days before the end of September and their banners last 25 days, so most people who failed to pull her without spending still can, while the whales will have whaled at the start of the patch. After that Jiyan is coming - who as you say is one of the most boring characters ever - whilst youhan is a 4star. I think Wuwa will rise again in 1.4 up to 20-25 million or so.
Oh yeah, Jiyan rerun is going to an absolute disaster.
Hopefully the 2.0 rincita region can bring them bank
While WuWa will obviously stay afloat, they need to make changes. In CN, WuWa only beat Hi3 by 300k. Hi3 which is a fossil game that lost 90% of it's players after a disastrous part 1 ending and even had to delete the part 2 male mc to save memory.
Next month is a Jiyan banner and Hi3 has hyped banners and the story picking up. We might actually see Hi3 best WuWa.
Yeah, I can see Jiyan's rerun earning nothing. I have no idea why they do that.
There is a lot of market saturation going on. Most of these big games require a similar time investment and there are more on the horizon. Lnd is a menu based romance game with excellent combat for all to enjoy. It takes less time to play and is catering to a largely ignored market and thus seemingly continues to sidestep this issue. Hoyo games are double tapped by their games audience being split among their big three and spending budget wise for individuals that indulge in multiple being similarly split. Wuwa is a good company and I think their game is the best on the market, but they really fumbled their launch in mobile and even as recently as a month ago I was crashing on my phone when doing dailies while I was traveling. I hope they can recover to a stable 20m+ average one day, but we will see.
Honestly this. The AAA gacha industry is headed for the same kind of collapse that's destroying the AAA live-service gaming market in the west right now. There are only so many players, with so much time and money on their hands when it comes to games as a service, and people are getting sick of it. It's probably the same reason why single-player games are making a massive comeback in recent years.
No way Bro doesn't know the greatness of Dokkan 💀
I want to point out that the saying is "gacha's make most of the revenue the first 3 days of a new banner" and Shorekeeper was out for 3 days in September. So I think the revenue of Wuthering will actually go down especially since most of October will be the Jiyan rerun with a character only Rexlent will enjoy. This is just my opinion on it since Jiyan didn't sell well in the beginning so I doubt he will now. Especially since Camellya is coming up and people will def be saving for her
Wait the l0li is a 5*? Ngl I thought she was 4*
Recorded revenue was stopped short a few days before month ended so Shorekeeper most likely wasn’t recorded.
@@MikeJXWT She is a 4 star. She's on the Jiyan rerun banner as one of them
@@TacticalDimplesThat's copium. All sales always go highest after a char releases just a few days when the month is about to end, so no the sales do get recorded. It's recorded in the Hoyo games as well. I am a WuWa lover, but bro, u need to stop the copium, it isn't doing that good, and it's a fact
It's weird how hard you pit ZZZ against WUWA. like, you know WUWA isn't at Genshin/ HSR's level, so you're trying SO hard to cope and you want at least one game up the top that, you can argue, WUWA is on par with.
I play both WUWA and ZZZ so I don't care. But as from your own mouth, you like WUWA, but it seems you don't like ZZZ as much, so you're trying so hard to convince yourself, and your audience, that "hey, WUWA's on the same level as ZZZ". like why does that even matter?
You're no different to any Kurobot. You kinda know Wuwa isn't as popular as the Hoyo games (there's nothing wrong with that). But as a way to make yourself feel better, you've targeted one of the Hoyo games, convinced yourself that Wuwa can compete and is on par with that game. you know what that is? Cope.
Dude, slow down on the cope, enjoy Wuwa. If you don't play zzz, that's ok too. Just stop putting out these ridiculously biased comparisons that make no sense.
Wtf are u on about? he play honkai star rail, wuwa AND zzz. He even said wuwa fell off abit for him bcoz theres no new content, and still enjoying star rail and zzz. He's no kurobot, u on the other hand very much seems like a hoyoshill that cant take any criticism about hoyogames. I play genshin, star rail and wuwa, and i dont see wrong in anything he said. Chill out hoyoshill
Lol. The very funny part about this comment is how full of cope it is as well. You've over here saying sentences like "Slow down on the cope. Enjoy WuWa"... as if you're that dude who just got enlightened because you've finally quit facebook
@@deeku.4009 what
@@deeku.4009 what?
@@deeku.4009huh?
For a moment let's consider the fact that the last TALL male 5* in Genshin was Wriothesley. And he still hasn't even had a rerun. Let that sink in. It has been almost a year. And it will be MORE than a year before we get a new tall male 5* 'cause next up we're getting Xilonen. It is INSANE to not have a "husbando" in a WHOLE YEAR.
I ended up with C6R1 Neuvillette as a f2p in desperation. I don't want to play with crazy boob physics in my face.
HSR is doing a better job. I'm honestly ok with the pace there. 'Cause we still get males (people who say Jiaoqiu is mid need to get the hell out of my face, he's my wife.)
We had Aventurine, then immediately after there was Boothill, then we had two females, but last patch we had Jiaoqiu, this patch at least we had a new 4*, Moze (not a 5* but still a hot tall male), next patch it's just going to have one new female character, Rappa, so as a f2p I'm happy that I get to keep some stellar jades for my insane babygirl Sunday.
This ratio is not ideal but it's ok and, as I said, as a f2p who only wants male characters I'm extremely ok with it. But the problem I do have with HSR is that their males get powercrept immediately or they never even fit the meta. But then we have characters like Robin, Acheron, Ruan Mei and Fu Xuan that are evergreens that are always good in any scenario. The only male version of that we have is Aventurine (and Gallagher, but he's getting powercrept as we speak by Lingsha). Like I have an E2S1 Boothill but as soon as I get to Pure Fiction I can't use him. But Acheron? Oh, you can put her anywhere and she destroys everything. It feels kind of... unbalanced.
But that's my ONLY complaint. I'll still only pull for males (unless I need a female to make them stronger, like how I got Ruan Mei for my Boothill)
As for LADS I've seen a lot of people commenting about the lack of global marketing, but idk, I guess I was just at the right place at the right time? I started playing on day 1, as a European girly, and all of my friends know and have known about the game since the very start. Merch stores are always sold out on LADS merch and there's a lot of fanmade LADS merch at cons that people get their little grabby fingers on quite quickly. I don't think the issue is as much the marketing but the stigma that still surrounds romance games in the west. In China it's quite normal for females to spend an insane amount of money on these kinds of games. But globally? Not so much. If you play otomes you're a loser that can't get a date. And as females we generally get looked down on because of the games we play. You play cozy games? You're not a real gamer. You play the sims? You're playing house, you're not a gamer. You play an otome? Even worse, you're not a gamer, you're delusional and probably ugly.
Chinese games companies already tend to market in China more by default, but when it comes to otomes it's even worse. Another example is For All Time / Lovebrush Chronicles. On global I think it's only me and three raccoons on the street playing that game. But in China it's quite popular (not like LADS or Light and Night, ofc, but it's decently popular!).
My point is: even if they were to market the game better in the west, they would lose money because females in the global community just naturally spend less (also, lots of LADS players are 30+ as IT IS A MATURE GAME and lots of them have families to take care of and they don't tend to spend carelessly).
I'm not trying to justify them, I'm just saying that from a business perspective, it makes sense to not invest if you can't see a profit.
We have a tall male electro this year (ororon)
@@spymadmax584 and is most likely gonna be 4 star.
Natlan's male character roster is dry as hell. There's only Ifa and Capitano atm, and we don't even know if Xbalanque will be playable.
I play Lovebrush Chronicle. Really like it. I don't give shit what other people think.
@@lewsee5562Kinich literally still in the banner...
@@chihaotran1568 *upcoming male units.
Kinich is on-going so I omitted him.
China has had a rough economy recently I believe.
The ZZZ devs are definitely cooking, I was thinking about quitting before Jane came out, but both patches since then have been bangers. I really like what they are doing with the story and the events, and if they can keep it up and add more end game content then I think I might end up liking it even more than HSR
The fact that the Chinese economy has been experiencing a slow down could be affecting the numbers as well from that region.
Comment section so invested, you would think it's Hoyoverse stockholder meeting
Nah wuwa lost to zzz. It no longer a battle. Zzz will stay around 20-30
Yeah there are so less fanarts of wuwa compared to zzz shows that how unappealing the characters are.
wuwa is only competing with the likes of other 2D gacha side scrolls atp.
I play both, so no sided opinion. I guess low revenue of WuWa could be due to free XY 5 star resonator and Zhezhi was at the end of banner. Shorekeeper on the other side had only 2 days, but still pretty low.
Mf forgot that sex sells@@worstsoulsplayer
Idk for me personally, if I were to rate my favorite gacha games in order, it would be ZZZ, Reverse 1999, HSR, wuwa, and then SoC. I don’t really care how well zzz does revenue wise. The game is fun, the devs listen, they have the best story telling model out of all the hoyo games, and character designs/models are way better than the others too.
whats Soc??
@@opbro751 sword of Convallaria
Tell that to me again when you can finally jump on zzz
@@Ventouzo why do we need a jump in zzz? Lmfao
@@Ventouzo Because jumping changes everything? Tell me when you can finally jump in HSR. Can't freaking wait.
Looking at revenue for Hoyoverse on quarterly basis instead of month to month paints a very different picture. Q3 revenue for Hoyo basically doubled when compared to last year.
Based on these charts Total revenue for Hoyo for this year is at ~$1.5B, which is nuts considering they made ~$900M for all of last year. Again based on this data alone.
Iirc shore keeper sales are already included in this month’s charts at least the first two days is.
20:50 This is not the most logical argument. Firstly, you yourself mentioned earlier in the video that the earnings of gacha games depend not only on banners. Secondly, I don't remember that Honkai Star Rail's sales fell 2 times in patch 1.6, where Dr. Ratio was distributed.
the cool thing about kinich is he is voiced by sasuke and naruto for himself and his follower ajaw in japanese dub.
surprised it didn't do that well considering they went out of their way to get those 2, Kinich actually made me enjoy Genshin for a time again
Boomer ahh comment
Let's be honest. All this is very funny, the genshin shills throwing hate just because their game has more sales and the kuro shills who did the same but now it's "This graph does not represent anything" and with the argument that it does better on PC, like If the other games weren't on PC too. Meanwhile, I'm here enjoying both games watching how both pitiful groups fight each other defending their multimillionar company.
Best idea, after today let me join you with this idea
did u just copy and paste your comment from tectones video 💀💀
@@wasabi134Yes I did lmao💀I want to see what people say
Yes he did, bro wants as many likes as possible to feed his power fantasy that his comment holds much value.
@@damienmoore-ks9gwRelax dude I already say I did, I'm sorry if what I said offends you
(I'm not) You just prove of what I say, it's not like I'm begging for likes I just want to share what I think. It's up to you to like or not, I don't care after all this comment will be lost in time
You might always be right, but claiming that you are always right comes off as arrogant. What happened to being humble? But I do agree with you analysis.
if kuro games want more money from wuwa , they need to change somethings
what comes to mind is the battle pass , they need to change something about it, change the useless weapons , make it a 5 star standard weapon or something like that cuz the state of 4 stars weapons in wuwa sucks
they also need to put some unique things there that are actually interesting cuz i personally wanted to buy it one day and then i was like this shit doesn't offer anything special
and if they really wanna keep the trend of making the game as f2p as possible with all the pulls and free stuff they're giving then they need to introduce new stuff like skins for example, it should be a new skin with every new character getting released, and obviously more characters
anyway 1.3 was insane ❤❤🔥
Nah bruh.. "weedles" has me dead brother lmao. Great video smack, devs simply need to watch your videos fr.
Doom posting begins
Just like how WuWa CC doompost ZZZ pre-launch.. Ironic, isnt it?
Your opinion on this gacha revenue are the best grandpa the thoughts process for everything are much more better then other cc who rely on trash talking and making war on the revenue so yeah keep it up grandpa 🎉
Not sure to what extent it affected spendings on gacha games, but the Chinese economy has been slowly but surely going downhill ever since the pandemic. Unemployment rate has been steadily going up, especially among fresh graduates and young to middle age groups. It is a complicated and very political situation so I won't go too deep into it, but it might be one of the factors causing the slow decline shown here.
The only good thing of slow China economy is less people spending of gacha predatory monetization.
5:11 gacha smack if u thought because hsr had more banners will have 150 mil revenue it's not how it work right now school started so everyone have something to do and grown ups don't that's money to make hsr go to 150 mil it doesn't work this way in asia in total it might work for you ppl from the west but ppl in asia and Africa we don't have this fancy life the gacha revenue will go higher when the school ends most of kids in africa and asia goes to work so hsr making 65 mil is like it's making 120 mil
Edit : Ok sorry you said u don't know about these things
I’ve said it before but I think love and deepspace is making so much because it literally has no competition atm, as someone who is currently playing 2 gacha regularly and four other games on and off I have to choose where to spend money wisely. If a game is the only game in its niche it will preform way better I think it will fall off when companies see it’s a profitable market and it will get good competitors.
Honestly, I have never seen Love and Deepspace advertised anywhere, I only know about it because other gays told me.
GachaSmack's tone shift when discussing ZZZ and Wuwa never shocks me... The tone shift is insane. I understand you saying ZZZ didn't make as much as they should; it's a fair point to criticize them for not making more money on a brand new update + characters, but when you get to Wuwa, they dropped by 50% and didn't make as much as they should have last month, and then say things like "don't worry, it'll bounce back". Bruh, where's the same energy? Wuwa fared badly, and you even explained why it did so, and why the rationale is noble but terrible for business.
Instead of addressing them with the same energy and chastising them for not refocusing/compromising on their initial intentions, which would result in them losing more people/money, you're hoping they'll get better? Whereas with ZZZ, it is all downhill? I don't care if he criticizes either game, but he should be fair about it, and I've observed he does this in every sensor tower video, since ZZZ release, when there is an apparent bias toward Wuwa. So, how am I not supposed to call out GachaSmack for being a Kuroshill? Dude bought into their gospel, which polluted his "objective" reactions.
My preditions for WW is... it will not be even close to ZZZ. Ceasar is great but she is a sustain character so I expect a lot of people don't care that much. Burnice should sell better imo. But next patch in ZZZ looks mid af. So I assume we will see a bigger drop in revenue here.
On the other side. Storekeeper is a healer. In games where you can just dodge healers are not popular at all. I can see that in Genshin with Xianyun, Sig, Baizhu ect. I can see that even in HSR with Luocha, Huahua, Fu, Aventurine where you can't dodge. Sustainers are just not it. But I expect a spike with Camellya. But not insane spike. I think maybe up to 20M more or less. It's because I think a lof of people are just tired and quit. I'm waiting for Camellya, Phrolova, Scar since I saw them. I also was close to quit but they did drip for Camellya finally so I will wait those 6 weeks. If Camellya sucks I'm done with WW.
Lets be honest nobody was pulling for black swan or kafka, it was either feixiao, robin or both so honestly it wasnt that aggressive as you say, it was basically a normal double banner since kafka and black swan are irrelevant characters now
WHAT?! Over a 100 Mil???? Brother, your expectations are WAY too high, Feixiao was not as hyped up as acheron and firefly were for that to happen
China isnt spending "WAY WAY less" its like a 1-7 mil difference thats not that big tbh, september overall seems like a dry month for all gacha games in general, most games stayed stagnant and the rest went down, barely anyone went up except love and deepspace
You cut the part you said Wuwa was going to make around 20 M 🤡
I don't understand the hate Dokkan gets. Its a "true" mobile game. When I pull for characters on Dokkan, there is no need for days/months to grind them like Mihoyo games for example. I can just level that shit in like 20-30 minutes and be done and use the character. The amount of pulls is very generous, and ultimately the game respects my time. There is no shitty relic farms, there is no weekly timed content, You do the dailies, and you do the events that come out, hop off. Its good to look at my collection of units from over the years of playing, instead of looking at units you can't level because the game dailies don't give you enough to level them up. Also a skip button for anything dialogue related.
Too many mobile games trying to become AAA games where you play on your PC rather than your phone, its getting stale.
More people need to realise that it's a MOBILE chart, and not all games have the same ratio for mobile/PC revenue. Wuwa and zzz are atrocious on mobile so naturally most play and spend money on PC/console. And some games are the exact opposite. I mean Love and Deepspace straight up ONLY exists on mobile so what we see here is their 100% revenue while for other games it's not.
So we really shouldn't take these charts too seriously and draw conclusions from it. For all we know, wuwa might be doing just fine if we include all platforms. We just really don't know
Nah, the PC sales argument has been debunked by Bilibili's version of SensorTower (I've made my status as a screenshot of the source because YT doesn't permit external links).
As anyone can see, PC sales make up about 62.5% of WuWa's revenues, whereas it's 66.7% for Genshin. Keep in mind that these percentages are PC/Other, so for Genshin, 'Other' would include console sales. Therefore, WuWa's PC ratio would presumably fall even further when the game is released on the PS5.
WuWa glazers simply underestimate just how much mobile gaming dominates in Asia. Have to remember that Global also encompasses Korea, Japan, India, and all of Southeast Asia.
Also, certain mobile app stores, like Samsung Galaxy, not only offer exclusive discounts but also allow for more niche payment options like paying at a convenience store. So even PC players may still opt to spend on mobile.
I’d conclude that, like SensorTower, these are just well-informed estimates based on a combination of publicly available proxy data and proprietary sources. But that doesn't make it useless as the core methodology will remain fixed over time, which lends to meaningful trend analysis. So, while the exact percentages might not be accurate, the relationship between one game to another is.
And in any case, an educated estimate is still infinitely more credible than a random person's 'feelings'.
ZZZ plays pretty well on mobile actually, ofcourse depends on the device, can't expect something old to run the best gacha on the Market but you get the point.
@@kingsimba9513no one is underestimating how popular mobile gaming is. They’re saying that mobile gaming isn’t as popular for games like WuWa and ZZZ because they aren’t meant for mobile to begin with so the ratios will be different. They’re anomalies compared to most mobile games.
If want PC /PS5 revenue estimation u can check video chart on bilibili,still wuwa PC revenue so small compare to hoyo games
Dude gacha I'd like if u stuck to just briefly covering these. Trying to act like u understand revenue and not taking real life variables and not knowing why China is down makes u look very ignorant.
"if theyre trending down on mobile theyre trending down on the other platforms as well" I disagree. I think the way each game is engaged on each platform is different. HSR always shines in these charts due to it being low action however genshin and zzz are doing better on console than it. I think the way the money flows on pc and console would be a good contrast to these charts if we had access to all the data.
Ehhh this always happens in gacha games I don't think it's a major issue but if the games I play (Genshin, ZZZ, HSR, WuWa) were to release a male character every 5 waifus I would be happy honestly. I like the waifus in WuWa for me the best design in characters is in wuwa but that's a personal opinion. I would really love if they added Genshu Li and Scar already such anticipated characters and they're not using that.
Nobody was saying jane doe would shoot it up that much. 90 million was the Release revenue for zzz. Why did you shit on it for that reason but praised afk journey for that same reason of its release hype
I love Wuthering Waves too and I really like the shorekeeper music, it is so beautiful, but I agree with the music in general. And that we need more characters ^^ more 4 stars ppleeease!
my best guess is that CN gacha spending has been extremely low due to the success of Black Myth Wukong. Having likely sold 1billion+, and is kind of the first game of triple a quality since genshin, it has captured the young adolescent men audience in china and has kinda pushed the CN community away from gacha. The only reason LADS does not see this effect is because of a significant different female audience which makes sense.
Hopefully more and more PC game so gacha gaming get less and less revenue (unless they are not greedy).
The reason why DBZ Dokkan Battle made this much money is bc this was the "anniversary" of both Global and JP.. this game honestly isn't too bad, it is pretty much the same thing as Summoners War when it comes to their audience
The only logical explanation is that CN bros are becoming zesty
The fact that you can always see a spike in dislikes for these videos, always astonishes me. great vid as always!
Also from the female perspective, I think the interest for husbandos was always there, just the way gaming industry works - nobody taught we are actually a demoraphic they can capitalize on... Which is a wild notion for me, as women generally care less about game mechanics and more about the visuals and the general vibe of the game, which gacha does cater towards. (I AM genralizing now, so dont get offended if you are a woman that does not fit this generatlization). I have a lot of adult female friends who stuck with gacha, coz it is a calming hobby, very few male friends who did not move on to other more challenging games.
As for the global revenue for Love in Deepspace, honestly in my opinion its just a total lack of marketing in the west. I am a target audience and I aint playing it. I am a casual, you gotta chase me to download your game, otherwise I aint going to take initiative.
But all in all companies discovering the fact that women exist is nice.
it's more the trajectory of the fall and the trend line for Wuwa... one could say that 1.2 really "killed" a lot of hype for the game and Kuro didn't advertise to boost sales. These numbers supposedly included the first 2 days of Shorekeeper and in those 2 days on iOS; was only like 500k and it's dropping off the charts (even look at wuwa tracker data as well). if you put in the sensortower multiplier 1.75, that is 875k.. so 1.375m for storekeeper. What is coming next? Jiyan rerun banner and Youhu; IMO, I don't think it will do 1.375m like SK but who knows. So just say hypothetically Jiyan overperforms and does as much as Shorekeeper; so we are now at about 2.75m from china. we'll double that for Global and we are around 5.5m - 6m which is probably the best guesstimate of it's October revenue. But seeing that reruns do do well; i would guesstimate around 5m
and who cares? wuwa just released a tremendous version but I also corrected your table, I only counted until the 27th shorekepeer came out on the 29th
@@Narwhal2025 well.. you seem to care since you cared to reply. yeah... Shorekeeper sales were 29/30 of September...
Oh no, Hoyoverse is failing.. it's only have 3 games on top 5. 😭😭😭
I havent finished the video but I agree on Wuthering Waves. The game at its core is genuinely top of the line. Amazing character designs and gameplay (Changli is one of the greatest feeling characters in all of gacha), amazing combat mechanics and overall flow of combat, fun and satisfying exploration, and the Hologram battles are peak. Illusive Realm is great but it 100% needs to be available full time, and then they can have different events and changes the same way HSR does with SimU. For Tower, they need to do a better job of variation among the floors or redesign it completely. The co-op events they've been doing lately are fun, I'd like to see them build upon that as well.
12:40 that was the fastest laugh-to-serious switch up I have ever seen lmao
Shorekeeper is already included in this -the first two days is where the spending is done. Will Kuro ever realise they have to make actual characters with personality and interesting story audience want to see more of and curious about its direction?
Yes I agree with wuthering waves as a kuro fan, tho 1.3 was so good I think this is probs my fav update
Ill have to see the next Revenue for wuwa as shorekeeper numbers would be on that. We got a free 5 star and player would save for her or Camellya. Genshin made alot of players smarter with who they spend on. If PGR still alive then Wuwa isnt going anywhere any time soon.
Notice how Gacha Smack isn't talking about Shorekeeper flop lmao. This includes 2 days of her banner. At this rate Honkai Impact 3rd x Honkai Star Rail will outdo them in November.
Kuroshills think Jiyan will make bank but Chinese whales are openly boycotting the game in CN lol. WuWa made less than Reverse 1999 let that sink in for a bit.
Yup bro casually ignored it and trash talking zzz lol. He really thinks wuwa gonna make 20m+ on october, it would probably make around 10m
I'm worried Wuwa wont be able to afford SERVER cost if this trend continues.
ZZZ hasnt zzz'd.
Genshin 4 year old "problem child" gacha still making great numbers.
HSR turn base numbers are still based.
And my phone storage hosting all these games just a few Gb away from EOS
As a Love and Deepspace player (Global), the reason Global revenue is down is because LADS was not marketed well at all. I believe that they were banking on Mr Love abd Love Nikki success in Global from last time. But the thing is that people still have a bone to pick with them from the VA thing that happened with Mr Love that was huge, and that you can only know the game from word of mouth. I only knew of the game because a Mr. Love YTber talked about and a few otome YTbers were sponsored. Other than that ads are very rare to get. Not only that, but there are some monetary issues with the game that global players are upset about.
So basically bad launch with money issues, plus old blood with VA changes from the older otome game.
I also got to know this game from my Asian friends lol
welcome back. I thought we're going to get this video later, but we got it. 😁
Keep barking ..man😂
And you? Keep watching I guess 🤷
What would be interesting to look at, the total sum that was spend across all games. If the number decreased in comparison to last months that could mean people would start losing interest in gachas. If the number stayed about the same that could mean people might switched to differnt games now.
Yeah HSR will jump back from 2.7 to 3.0 versions from the new planet and Fate collab, 2025 will be huge for HSR....
i pull for men over waifus. so i get to save a lot of f2p pulls
Me too. The only female characters I pull are Harmony and supports like Shorekeeper and Ruan Mei.
Same. I like girlie's as well, but I'm tired of them a little. There is too many.
Man if this is the state of the WuWa fanbase then I am truly sorry. Uggo husbando enjoyers 🤮 truly undesirable.
Yooooo my man 🤝
I pulled for shorekeeper but I'm holding out for Jiyan more and then waiting for next male banner.
Have copium every month to think of an excuse defending wuwa, meanwhile downgrade genshin and zzz in every possible way is so damn hilarious.
yeah, there is no savings this community.
It's September and all kids in school, no time for gachas lmao
Wuwa really going the TOF route 😂
Still don't care nibba
U can call me cope but i check revenue on wuwa at 20th September the aldy shown 5M$
But yeah i think we can have final predict for mobile revenue of wuwa it gonna be around 10-5M per month for mobile
regarding HSR, while Robin is indeed a broken support, it's still a rerun, I bet a lot of players already have her so I'd expect her banner to not perform as good as her release, DoT is whatever now and people who were into DoT probably already have Kafka and BS, I do think that as good as Feixiao is, she didn't get the buildup and hype that Acheron and FF and even Aventurine got
Many didn't get Robin during her first banner due to FF, now with Feixiao here more people will get her.
Nah, A lot of people do not have Robin, Because Both Acheron and Firefly literally before and after her
I believe that people are also pretty tired of the Xianzhou in general. Don't get me wrong, Feixiao is amazing, but I'm ready to move on, and i think a lot of people feel the same. And then there are those who are waiting for Sunday 😂
@@m0chiface I personally love Xianzhou and HSR still made the most. It's just that the designs aren't THAT appealing. Look at Chinese dramas and Donghua's character designs, they are a lot more elegant and interesting than the ones Hoyo makes. I think they should take inspiration from those tbh.
@@AIA222-yu5ml oh yes, design-wise I agree. Moze and Hunt 7th have more appealing designs compared to the 5 stars 😭
Sad that Wuwa is gonna be another Punishing Gray Raven. The revenue is likely gonna settle around PGR.
The fall of Wuwa and the stability of ZZZ just proves that Content Creators have no real pull or power like they and devs think.
Kuro Games doesn't market their games and have always mishandled them. It's clear the feedback they're getting, internally and elsewhere, just isn't working.
Hate Hoyo all you want, but they know have to bring interest towards their content and characters. With PGR and Wuwa, nobody cared about the story or characters... just whether or not they're meta. Which is why their fanbases are attempting to make ZZZ like them via their feedback and removing any unique features it has ala TV mode.
Kuro is probably not going to market it as much, it seems like they are wanting more to keep the current playerbase than getting new players.
dropping from 100mln to 18 is stability? I'd better not read comments from gacha gamers. it's brain ROT
You can't just market a gacha solely on just combat, if people just want combat they'll just go and play a souls game or something.
Their marketing sucked, most of the time I see ads it's either hoyo games or idle games. WuWa ad never popped up after the launch, and the ad itself was like a photo of two Rovers standing together (who the heck think that's a good ad?)
In all honesty, Kuro really screwed themselves over thanks to poor marketing, bad optimization and a rushed & buggy release. It was so bad that they're unlikely to recover from it from this point forward. It really sucks too; I genuinely enjoy the game and respect Kuro for treating their players fairly. But they really screwed the pooch with their botched release.
I mean if you're smart with your money, you not gonna spend it on gacha game.
24:00 This point right here is the embodiment of Kuro's business model. Cater to the loyal audience to guarantee your baseline. Honestly, they might have good player retention in the long run as opposed to Genshin catering to newer players and pushing aside the veterans.
18:47 what he really meant it that he’s a professional yapper he will stay yappin
just because their both on top doesn't mean they are competing with each other, remember that their game genres are different with each other, and also hoyovers planning to dominate each gaming genre as their grand plan. they are winning not competing.
Woman paying for husbandos carry crazy
As someone that likes male characters/male fanservice im glad LADS is successful, im just waiting for the game that has a focus on bottoms, cuz all the popular husbando bait games are either heterosexual otome games or something like NuCarnival that caters to everyone (#NotMeTho, #NoBootyGamesUnlessImPluggingInMyController)
Hello Mr.Smack if you do see this comment personally I don’t care about the “war” of these gacha games but I am happy Arknights is still doing really good numbers to end up in the top 10 top 20 consistently to where I would make a selfish request and ask you to maybe look at some of the stuff the game has to offer mainly the music and its animation trailers. These videos are always fun to check out and much peace love and a happiness to you.
I think some gacha games are also banking on the merchandise now, since compare to the past there are more gacha merch now. people may not spend on the actual game, but they might spend on the merch.
considering a lot of fan made written works are by women, they buy up the raunchy romance novels and LOVE the visual novel type of games, its not a surprise that a game geared towards them would sell.
Wuwa revenue will never be on the same level of any Hoyoverse games
In Genshin, as a whale, you need 5 of the same weapon and 7 of the characters. It's the same for Wuwa. Let's see a worst case scenario for your pulls and how much gem that costs.
Genshin 7x180 pulls character 5x180 pulls weapon Total gems: 345 600 primogem
Wuwa 7x160 pulls character 5x80 pulls weapon Total gems: 243 200 astrite
Wuwa if you take out 2 copies of a limited character from the coral shop: 192 000 astrite
As you can see, the currency requirement for a whale is astronomically different, so even if a whale would spend more, the game just has lower numbers in general and will never reach Genshin on an even ground, even if they have the same playerbase who does the same things.
What wuwa got : Guaranteed weapon banner and 2 copies of limited character in shop causes players to pay less so even if wuwa got the same player base as genshin wuwa revenue gonna be lower in general
A thing that heavily hits wuwa are the limited weapons due to two combined reasons:
1- Guaranteed to pull
2- Able to give them to other characters in the end game
I pulled yinlin and her weapon and i just use it non stop on my zheshi, and i dont ever see a need to pull another crit weapon of that type ever again now