Hyundai have garnered a lot of success in the rallying world in recent years. However, just over two decades ago, success seemed much harder to come by.
@@joelikespotatoes8321 Same i drive the 2005 accent which is a company car that i was working with. I can say, though in terms of reliability and performance are bad in comparison to some other brands that came with same specs, but it does get its job done.
Did you know the I25 hatch is basically an Accent hatch, and I20 is like a compact shrink version of the I25. Thus, I20 is actually related to Accent and shares lots of it's DNA based on different gens of Accents respectively. Also, HB-20 is a lite I20 although it's not much like an I20, incase you didn't know.
Fun fact : Delecour was still under a Peugeot contract when he tested for Hyundai. He later claimed he was simply hiking in the French forest when he stumbled upon Hyundai testing the car by pure chance !
This is great. If you think this car had bad reliability then you should look at the Peugeot 307 WRC and you’ll see and incredible dive in performance from a team that created the 206
Hyundai really did have a fascinating string of disasters. • Not fast enough to start with but the team clearly had the will to develop • Developed a better car but it was still underpowered and unreliable • Eventually began to show promise but arguably lost its best drivers as the car got better • The 3rd gen car seriously had big potential from a basic platforms standpoint, particularly in the handling department. But it's godawful turbo continued to let it down amongst other engine issues • Also gained Fast Freddy (who was occasionally fast but when he wasn't, he was in a wall). His career alone is a curious one • Evolved the car again but the unreliability got worse, and the turbo was still a shocker • Eventually began to run into management issues, then money issues, then made a total arse of itself in front Hyundai's bosses • Finally ran out of money (Hyundai rather clumsily and lets be honest pretty publicly pulling the plug), a team, and realistically any good drivers. Freddie was never gonna be a champion. Neither was Armin. Kankunnen I think was just there to have a go in top line rally cars (see how he was being battered towards the end of his Subaru stint) and poor Justin Dale and Jussi I'm fairly convinced to this day were running a car using the leftover parts that could be scrounged from the bin.
I`m currently own a 2008 Accent in this body (yeah, they still exist in 2023). I was surprised that car has independent rear suspension. And I was wondering - where does it need it? Because It is drastically cheap, small, underpowered sedan with rear drum brakes. Now i see. It`s pretty cool to watch "combat" version of it with widebody, Castrol livery and 300 hp under the hood. And to be honest - it`s a shame that all went that way. Nevertheless - thx for the video man.
@@SnowChickenFlake aside from the mass amount of Hyundais with engine problems sure. In the past 10 years I haven’t seen any manufacturer blow engines for anything other than defects more than Hyundai/Kia. Ford is a close second though.
I've owned an Accent of that gen and it's incredibly fun on loose surfaces like snow or gravel. Loved to lift off oversteer. Handles the snow so predictably, it didn't feel like it floats on the snow like other compacts I've driven tend to. Engine was pretty reliable too honestly. Pretty slow but it kept the car going, decent low end torque for around town.
The other day I found myself wondering if the poor old ByKolles team had ever even finished at Le Mans. Turns out they did finish once in 2009 running Audis but then after that it's DNF (x2), DNF, DNF (x2), NC, DNF, DNF, DNF, DNF, DNF, and once again this year DNF. I'm sure they're already on your list, and hopefully someday you'll give some love to the WEC's most cursed team
Very interesting video. Cadillac's GT program with the CTS-V and the ATS-V.R would be interesting too. The FIA introduced a minimum production requirement of 20 cars to block the ATS-V.R from racing in europe. They explained this with the argument, that they wanted to ban so called "GT3 prototypes", which were designed within GT3 rules but without the compromises of a customer racing car.
The Renault RS.01 GT3 comes to mind about gt3 prototypes. The watching the frikadelli 296 at Nurburgring this year it would be hard to not call that an lmp inspired design
The problem with the ATS-VR was the fact that Pratt & Miller are an extremely stubborn company who really seem to dislike the idea of having to share their cars. Teams would make offers to buy an ATS-VR but they would often outright refuse to. It's also why Labre Competition were the only privateer to run a C7.R and is also why the Camaro GT4.R is the most expensive GT4 costing $400k, more than several GT3 cars
Love this awful program series, the dominant cars are always gonna be cool and get all the attention but its intriguing to look at the other teams and cars that maybe could've proven themselves if they had better management and more development time among other things. That being said I suggest taking a look at the Riley Multimatic MK30 LMP2 car next.
I've always had a soft spot for the 2nd and 3rd gen Accent that ran with Kankkunen ever since I was a kid with GT4, don't know why but it always stood out to me as really good looking car
The category Hyundai started in in 1998 with the Coupe was called Formula 2 ( F2 )and it was a class for 2 wheel drive naturally aspirated cars that were very fast on tarmac, due to their low weight ( around 200 kgs less than the 4wd turbo WRC cars, which were limited to 1230 kgs at the time ) high power, around 280 + hp in the fastest F2 cars. In early 1998, Hyundai started in the F2 class with the Coupe, and in the beginning the car struggled with speed and reliabilty but an evolution version introduced later in 1998 proved to be a hit, and Hyundai became a big player in the F2 class in the late 98 as well as in 1999, when they almost won the F2 championship, but problems in the last rally of the season in the UK, stopped that sadly. Both Seat, Skoda and Hyundai were successfull in F2, but struggled in WRC, the demands to succeed in the 4wd WRC top class was simply higher than in F2, and sadly none of these 3 teams got the budget needed to play with the big names like Peugeot, Ford, Mitsubishi and Subaru
Actually, if you think about it, Seat, Skoda and Hyundai were NOT competitive even in 2Litres. Sure, the Ibiza won titles, but when the Peugoet 306 Maxi and the Citroen Xsara Kit Car were in the game (that is, fighting with WRCs for the lead), the Seat Ibiza was nowhere near them. The Octavia 2WD and the Coupe were never good platform to start with: one was too big, the other was never really developed for tarmac.
@@Snarl616 but if I recall correctly both the Pug and the Citroen were tarmac only cars, developed mostly for the national French rallies. So while they were competing with the WRCs on asphalt they didn't even bother to turn up for the gravel/snow stuff.
@@randomfaca It's only true for the Xsara. The 306 Maxi actually also raced in gravel rounds (Adruzilo Lopes in Portugal), albeit they were not WRC rounds.
The Hyundai was such a great underdog story! I would love for you to do a video on Škoda's failed WRC program first with the Octavia and then Fabia in late 90s and early to mid 2000s
Interestingly enough, if you look at the number plates of the Hyundai at the British rally, the plate X15 HMC, is still used on a road car that has a full MOT and unknown mileage
Awesome video i always what happened in this series and to these cars. Im honestly curious on what issues they had with the engine and what caused the turbo issues because those 2.0l engines are typically pretty reliable when built right and can handle a lot of power. But it seems like the company didn't invest in properly setting up the cars and building the engines .
Any chance on an episode of the Mazda Rallye program (only RX7 and 323 iirc)? especially the 323 who was initially thought as being the top dog when Group A was announced. Oh how wrong we were there. Also RX7 would provide interesting content.
Loving this series. It's really well executed and you can see that time and effort were put into them Everybody seems do be focusing on the Winners, where other - also extremely interesting - Cars don't. Such as Skoda 130 RL, Lada Eva or Citroen BX and plethora of others
I really like this video. I learned many information thanks to this and i look forward to your future projects. I remember playing a hyundai in an old game "Mobil 1 Rally Championship". really great game that no one really knows about. I love your stuff mate, appreciate the dedication and hope you will grow in popularity and improve your videos even further!
Hyundai and Skoda weren't competing for wins and titles. Skoda left WRC as a manufacturer but Hyundai took a break and then came back to contend for wins and titles with the I rally cars. Still battling with Toyota and M-Sport.
The production car was very reliable. Full of cheap plastics and switches that faded, but very reliable engines. Very pleasant to drive too. Not very sporty but comfortable and spacious. I think the platform was great, but obviously Hyundai bit a lot more than they could chew and they tried to go on a small budget, which never works in motorsports. While other teams used their motorsport experience to make their car, some others worked with much more experienced racecar developers, like Subaru did with Prodrive. If Hyundai had worked with Prodrive as well, i think they would have built a championship winning car.
I´d love for you to make a vid on VW´s various rally or gt programs. I guess the most interesting one would be the Scirrocco GT24 which ran on natural gas and was driven by Carlos Sainz and Hans Joachim Stuck amongst many others in the NLS and The 24h Nürburgring.
Why do you britisch people pronounce Schwarz like Schwoorz bruh i cant 😅 Great video shining light on this topic never even knew Hyundai was in WRC in that era. Watched it all the way and you have earned a like and sub!
Long form content like this is fantastic, it may slow your video production down. For example you may not be able to do 2 a week or whatever. But it's definitely worth it.
No way, i didn't know that Hyundai was supposed to return after 2006. So there's a parallel universe where Hyundai competes against Loeb's Citroen C4 😵
This was very interesting, I did not know anything about rally other than the names McRae, Burns, Sainz, and manufacturers Subaru, and Mitsubishi, and then this bloke called Sebastian Loeb in his Citroen showed up and won everything to win.
great video as usual but PLEASE does anyone have a t-shirt or sweater or merch from this era's Hyundai team for sale? i love the looks and have been searching for something like that for years!
Very enjoyed the video. About sx4 wrc too. Would be great if you would do video like that (not necessary only about bad teams) about all wrc teams. Unless you stick with "awful" ones, then Cordoba, Octavia and Fabia and Mini wrc would be great to watch. But as I said, would be awesome to see video about every team. Keep the good work. Kind Regards.
The MINI WRC wasnt awful. Just a program of Prodrive that didnt get the money they hoped for. David Richards hoped to convince BMW to invest in the project. Sordo even finished just under 7 seconds behind Ogier's DS3 at the French rally.
@@jvd_rx yes, I know that. I didn't say the car was "awful", it's actually my favorite wrc car. I said awful (program) like the title. In fact I don't think cars are awful. I think all those cars had " awful" drivers, who, let's be honest, didn't develop cars and couldn't give results.
@@YBM2007 ok, that is your "polar opposite". 1999 - Skoda finished last with 6 points (5 finishes, 9 retirements) 2000 - last with 8 points (12 finishes, 4 retirements) same as Hyundai - 8 points 2001 - Skoda - 17 points (15 finishes, 13 retirements) Hyundai - 15 points 2002 - Skoda - 9 points ( 26 finishes, 13 retirements) Hyundai - 10 points 2003 - Skoda - 23 points (15 finishes, 13 retirements) Hyundai - 12 points (didn't enter last 4 rallies) So yes, Skoda had 1 podium (3rd place) in 2001 but still finished only with 2 points more than Accent. So looking at all these I wouldn't call that "polar opposite". Regards
@@krzysztofchabras9253 you didnt compare Hyundai retirements in 2001 + 2002 mate (also there is a difference between technical malfunction vs accident). The Octavia reliability issues was mostly sorted 1999-2000, nothing like the Accent turbo meme
I’d love to see a Triple 8 Race Engineering story the way that ended was erm different and there partnership with Vauxhall was very deep even creating 200 road cars One of which is sat on my drive! Brilliant video as always even if it took me 2months to get round to watching it!
It's funny cars that are most considered underdogs like the accent, the seat Cordoba and the Skoda Octavia always turn out to be my favourite and most remembered cars
About breaking turbo's: in those days this was not uncommon, rather actually quite common. The reason was ALS, that system really stressed any turbo on any car. I don't think this gen. WRC cars had VVT so the ALS was very crude, lots op pops and bangs with shockwaves damaging the turbo internals which are quite delicate to begin with.
nice video. Thinking about some WRC cars, than the SEAT Cordoba WRC would also be an interesting one, especially as the SEAT brand will dissapear. Also there might be an interesting story in Mitsubishi's WRC. the force to leave the GroupA car and needed to switch to the awful Evo VII WRC. And than later come back with the great WRC04/05 who had mega potential, but Mitsu decided to stop the whole, while the cars still continued for years with quite some success internationally and nationally.
Mario Fornaris' ingenuity of Lancer. Lancer WRC 2005 was the car that was definetely hitting signs that in 2006 it would be an successor to Evo 5-6 championship winnings, but corporative logic of MItsubishi Motors decided the other way, not satisfied with actually somewhat good results by 2005. And by then Fornaris once was working in Peugeot in its best days of early 2000's. So it was definetely the car created by genius. But the corporation never accepts any fails, even if they are not that miserable.
After the end of Group in in the 2010s and Subaru and Mitsubishi's exit from the sport WRC just died for me. It was like Ford and Chevy leaving NASCAR or F1 without Ferrari and McLaren.
i know rally cars should be composed of light materials wherever possible but this usually means body materials made out of light composites, not drivetrain parts made out of balsa wood, holy shit!
I enjoyed the video and made it through to the end, but i have to say... you almost lost me at the very beginning with the horrible aspect ratios. Avoiding stretching would take the quality up a lot. Second, it would be interesting to know if there was much crossover early on with Hyundai's activity in SCCA ProRally. They campaigned Tiburons for multiple years, with some of the biggest names in American rallying involved.
Late 90s/early 00s were the heydays of WRC as far i'm concerned. Being too young for Group b, seeing the likes of Burns, Mcrae, Makinen, Sainz, Solberg, Gronholm, Martin all fighting for victories and all the different manufacturers was very exciting/cool. TV coverage back then was great too.
'What forgotten racing projects would you like to see me doing videos on?' Well, good sir, I'd like to see you do a video on Citroen's unsuccessful Group B program with the BX 4TC. Pretty please.
I think that a nice story for you to tell would be the following: in 1999 Hyundai ran 2 official cars in the 2Litres cup. Their rivals were VW and Renault with no official car or team (Citroen was not running that championship). Renault still managed to win the title because of many privateers running a Renault Mégane or old cars like Renault 18 and a Renault 4.
Glickenhaus in GT as next project suggestion. They sold a car with the Enzo's face and the only temas were one who made it silver and another who made it in rubber duck color. In the GT3 field that theroically should be extremely leveled.
I do wonder, with the many turbo issues the Accent had, I wonder if they thought of switching to supercharged. May not have power on the too end, but at low revs, it can have much more punch on accelerations.
Just like Suzuki, I'd have loved to see more of the Accent, allbeit with a bit more reliability... It's a lovely looking car with a great livery in the Castrol years after all
Hyundai didn't give MSD enough £££££ - it could have been a decent car, and showed flashes of pace. Similarly, Skoda, Seat of the same era. I've often thought some manufacturers think they can do the WRC on a small budget - and succeed. You can't.
The 2 litre championship that Hyundai lost to Renault was a complete embarrassment. For one thing, they were the only ones taking a serious tilt at the title, the only other entrants being Renault and VW (except VW didn't get their admin done on time...) For context, the Renault "effort" was a ragtag collection of private entry drivers including a Renault 18 first homologated in 1983 and a debutant running in a group N Clio. The Hyundai was a works effort.
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The Accent walked, stumbled and tripped so the I20 could run.
I drive a 2005 accent, man its kinda a pos but I love it and man I wish I could get a proper wrx esc version of it.
@@joelikespotatoes8321 Same i drive the 2005 accent which is a company car that i was working with. I can say, though in terms of reliability and performance are bad in comparison to some other brands that came with same specs, but it does get its job done.
Did you know the I25 hatch is basically an Accent hatch, and I20 is like a compact shrink version of the I25. Thus, I20 is actually related to Accent and shares lots of it's DNA based on different gens of Accents respectively. Also, HB-20 is a lite I20 although it's not much like an I20, incase you didn't know.
@@johndavidson3424 I did not know that! Thanks! Unfortunately they do not sell the i20N over here in the States, only the i20 as the elentra gt.
@@johndavidson3424 UPDATE: some guy just wrecked my driver side door, might see that veloster lol
Fun fact : Delecour was still under a Peugeot contract when he tested for Hyundai. He later claimed he was simply hiking in the French forest when he stumbled upon Hyundai testing the car by pure chance !
works for me
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That's good ol' Delecour for you !
wait are you saying he wasn't telling the truth??
@@PlaySA that's preposterous!
"The turbo pipe kept failing on gen 1, should we fix that?"
"It was probably bad luck lmoa."
Spoilers: it was not bad luck
This is great. If you think this car had bad reliability then you should look at the Peugeot 307 WRC and you’ll see and incredible dive in performance from a team that created the 206
Always made me laugh they decided in thier infinite wisdom to turn a hairdressers convertible into a wrc car
@@TheElDoctoro24 and then they gave it a gearbox made out of paper and cardboard
No forgetting when Marcus Gronholm lost his shit in Mexico after losing power steering for second rally in a row and rightfully so.
@@shadowlancerracingor the infamous up in the ass of Timo moment
@@Pen3989with the greatest hand gestures in rally history.
Hyundai really did have a fascinating string of disasters.
• Not fast enough to start with but the team clearly had the will to develop
• Developed a better car but it was still underpowered and unreliable
• Eventually began to show promise but arguably lost its best drivers as the car got better
• The 3rd gen car seriously had big potential from a basic platforms standpoint, particularly in the handling department. But it's godawful turbo continued to let it down amongst other engine issues
• Also gained Fast Freddy (who was occasionally fast but when he wasn't, he was in a wall). His career alone is a curious one
• Evolved the car again but the unreliability got worse, and the turbo was still a shocker
• Eventually began to run into management issues, then money issues, then made a total arse of itself in front Hyundai's bosses
• Finally ran out of money (Hyundai rather clumsily and lets be honest pretty publicly pulling the plug), a team, and realistically any good drivers. Freddie was never gonna be a champion. Neither was Armin. Kankunnen I think was just there to have a go in top line rally cars (see how he was being battered towards the end of his Subaru stint) and poor Justin Dale and Jussi I'm fairly convinced to this day were running a car using the leftover parts that could be scrounged from the bin.
Then came back with a different Hyundai rally car and teams.
Long Tydye is something we all need
The R in Hyundai stands for "Reliable Turbocharger" apparently
I`m currently own a 2008 Accent in this body (yeah, they still exist in 2023). I was surprised that car has independent rear suspension. And I was wondering - where does it need it? Because It is drastically cheap, small, underpowered sedan with rear drum brakes.
Now i see. It`s pretty cool to watch "combat" version of it with widebody, Castrol livery and 300 hp under the hood. And to be honest - it`s a shame that all went that way.
Nevertheless - thx for the video man.
Ironically one of the last of the reliable Hyundai road cars
@@JohnDoes620Lol no, Hyundais are pretty reliable
@@SnowChickenFlake aside from the mass amount of Hyundais with engine problems sure.
In the past 10 years I haven’t seen any manufacturer blow engines for anything other than defects more than Hyundai/Kia.
Ford is a close second though.
Where are you from?
I've owned an Accent of that gen and it's incredibly fun on loose surfaces like snow or gravel. Loved to lift off oversteer. Handles the snow so predictably, it didn't feel like it floats on the snow like other compacts I've driven tend to.
Engine was pretty reliable too honestly. Pretty slow but it kept the car going, decent low end torque for around town.
The other day I found myself wondering if the poor old ByKolles team had ever even finished at Le Mans. Turns out they did finish once in 2009 running Audis but then after that it's DNF (x2), DNF, DNF (x2), NC, DNF, DNF, DNF, DNF, DNF, and once again this year DNF. I'm sure they're already on your list, and hopefully someday you'll give some love to the WEC's most cursed team
At least the car looked good...that silver green and red always stood out to the younger me
Very interesting video. Cadillac's GT program with the CTS-V and the ATS-V.R would be interesting too. The FIA introduced a minimum production requirement of 20 cars to block the ATS-V.R from racing in europe. They explained this with the argument, that they wanted to ban so called "GT3 prototypes", which were designed within GT3 rules but without the compromises of a customer racing car.
The Renault RS.01 GT3 comes to mind about gt3 prototypes. The watching the frikadelli 296 at Nurburgring this year it would be hard to not call that an lmp inspired design
@@TheElDoctoro24 AFAIK, the RS.01 was never an FIA-GT3 homologated car, it was just allowed to run by the respective series it competed in.
The problem with the ATS-VR was the fact that Pratt & Miller are an extremely stubborn company who really seem to dislike the idea of having to share their cars. Teams would make offers to buy an ATS-VR but they would often outright refuse to. It's also why Labre Competition were the only privateer to run a C7.R and is also why the Camaro GT4.R is the most expensive GT4 costing $400k, more than several GT3 cars
@@sunsolaris 400k? I can only find 259000$ as the Camaro GT4.R's price.
Love this awful program series, the dominant cars are always gonna be cool and get all the attention but its intriguing to look at the other teams and cars that maybe could've proven themselves if they had better management and more development time among other things.
That being said I suggest taking a look at the Riley Multimatic MK30 LMP2 car next.
That OG Castrol livery is such a guilty pleasure of a good livery
Suggestion : The legacy of Morgan Aero 8 in Motorsport
Great video. As an aside, this video jogged a memory of gran turismo 4 which has the second version of the Accent WRC as a part of its roster.
Same here. And a WRC demo for the PS2.
That second edition Accent is one of the best looking rally cars from WRC IMO. Absolutely love the shape and the Castrol colours on that one
I've always had a soft spot for the 2nd and 3rd gen Accent that ran with Kankkunen ever since I was a kid with GT4, don't know why but it always stood out to me as really good looking car
After being chased By 90º Left handers, lad is now plagued by malfunctioning turbos and still making videos! What a chad!
Amazing videos mate! Good info and quite entertaining!
Much like CART at the same time, not a bad looking livery on any of those late 90s/early 2000s WRC or WRC1L entrants, really
The category Hyundai started in in 1998 with the Coupe was called Formula 2 ( F2 )and it was a class for 2 wheel drive naturally aspirated cars that were very fast on tarmac, due to their low weight ( around 200 kgs less than the 4wd turbo WRC cars, which were limited to 1230 kgs at the time ) high power, around 280 + hp in the fastest F2 cars.
In early 1998, Hyundai started in the F2 class with the Coupe, and in the beginning the car struggled with speed and reliabilty but an evolution version introduced later in 1998 proved to be a hit, and Hyundai became a big player in the F2 class in the late 98 as well as in 1999, when they almost won the F2 championship, but problems in the last rally of the season in the UK, stopped that sadly.
Both Seat, Skoda and Hyundai were successfull in F2, but struggled in WRC, the demands to succeed in the 4wd WRC top class was simply higher than in F2, and sadly none of these 3 teams got the budget needed to play with the big names like Peugeot, Ford, Mitsubishi and Subaru
Actually, if you think about it, Seat, Skoda and Hyundai were NOT competitive even in 2Litres. Sure, the Ibiza won titles, but when the Peugoet 306 Maxi and the Citroen Xsara Kit Car were in the game (that is, fighting with WRCs for the lead), the Seat Ibiza was nowhere near them. The Octavia 2WD and the Coupe were never good platform to start with: one was too big, the other was never really developed for tarmac.
@@Snarl616 but if I recall correctly both the Pug and the Citroen were tarmac only cars, developed mostly for the national French rallies. So while they were competing with the WRCs on asphalt they didn't even bother to turn up for the gravel/snow stuff.
@@randomfaca It's only true for the Xsara. The 306 Maxi actually also raced in gravel rounds (Adruzilo Lopes in Portugal), albeit they were not WRC rounds.
The Hyundai was such a great underdog story! I would love for you to do a video on Škoda's failed WRC program first with the Octavia and then Fabia in late 90s and early to mid 2000s
Thank you so much! Another great video.
Perhaps you could make a video about the 2012 Lotus Indycar team/engine?
I found your channel searching some rally videos, and this one is awsome (so is the Suzuki one). I need more mate
Not even 1 minute in but you've already caught my attention. Thank you for the long & informative video. I love it! Keep up the good work 👍
Great job! Continue working on videos regarding rallying. It's incredibly enjoyable to listen to you.
great content as ever! would love to see you do a video about one or multiple of the "other brands" that entered V8 supercars in the mid 2010's
Interestingly enough, if you look at the number plates of the Hyundai at the British rally, the plate X15 HMC, is still used on a road car that has a full MOT and unknown mileage
Oh man, 40 minutes of the good stuff. We don't deserve you.
Great video, i would love to see one about the Skoda Fabia wrc, the one Mcrae raced.
Maybe consider doing Nissan's awful return to V8 Supercars from 2013 to 2019 or Mercedes' V8SC foray from 2013 to 2016.
This is relevant to my interests. Great video. I spoke to Alister about his experiences with this car, he didn’t have a good time.
Awesome video i always what happened in this series and to these cars. Im honestly curious on what issues they had with the engine and what caused the turbo issues because those 2.0l engines are typically pretty reliable when built right and can handle a lot of power. But it seems like the company didn't invest in properly setting up the cars and building the engines .
Fantastic video! Long form content on Rally history is so so appreciated. As a new Rally fan I'm quite forlorn at the lack of content to consume.
Any chance on an episode of the Mazda Rallye program (only RX7 and 323 iirc)? especially the 323 who was initially thought as being the top dog when Group A was announced. Oh how wrong we were there. Also RX7 would provide interesting content.
What about the Team Mini Countryman in 2010 era has an awful program?
I love this series. I’ll suggest Proton’s BTCC programme at some point. RUclips needs more BTCC videos.
Loving this series. It's really well executed and you can see that time and effort were put into them
Everybody seems do be focusing on the Winners, where other - also extremely interesting - Cars don't. Such as Skoda 130 RL, Lada Eva or Citroen BX and plethora of others
What a great video! Just found your channel dude, this video was awesome. I'll watch the others now
I really like this video. I learned many information thanks to this and i look forward to your future projects. I remember playing a hyundai in an old game "Mobil 1 Rally Championship". really great game that no one really knows about. I love your stuff mate, appreciate the dedication and hope you will grow in popularity and improve your videos even further!
undoubtedly top 3 rally games of all time
Hyundai and Skoda weren't competing for wins and titles. Skoda left WRC as a manufacturer but Hyundai took a break and then came back to contend for wins and titles with the I rally cars. Still battling with Toyota and M-Sport.
The production car was very reliable. Full of cheap plastics and switches that faded, but very reliable engines. Very pleasant to drive too. Not very sporty but comfortable and spacious.
I think the platform was great, but obviously Hyundai bit a lot more than they could chew and they tried to go on a small budget, which never works in motorsports. While other teams used their motorsport experience to make their car, some others worked with much more experienced racecar developers, like Subaru did with Prodrive. If Hyundai had worked with Prodrive as well, i think they would have built a championship winning car.
This gen Accent shared it's platform and engines with the late 90's Mitsubishi Mirage/ Lancer. ✌️
Even Ford, outside of 1993, wasn't very good until Malcoln and M-Sport took the program over. Then it still took 10 years to get it to the top.
I´d love for you to make a vid on VW´s various rally or gt programs. I guess the most interesting one would be the Scirrocco GT24 which ran on natural gas and was driven by Carlos Sainz and Hans Joachim Stuck amongst many others in the NLS and The 24h Nürburgring.
Why do you britisch people pronounce Schwarz like Schwoorz bruh i cant 😅
Great video shining light on this topic never even knew Hyundai was in WRC in that era.
Watched it all the way and you have earned a like and sub!
Amazing video. loved the Accent Rally Car in GT4 as a kid, you earned a subscriber!
Long form content like this is fantastic, it may slow your video production down. For example you may not be able to do 2 a week or whatever. But it's definitely worth it.
Another fantastic Motorsport documentary 👏 Huge, huge fan of these, and a massive thank you for the time put into 'em
Subscribed! Great channel reminds me of plainly difficult....hmmm
No way, i didn't know that Hyundai was supposed to return after 2006.
So there's a parallel universe where Hyundai competes against Loeb's Citroen C4 😵
Great summary. Would really like to see one about SEATS wrc programme as well.
Great vid, would love to see your take on the Mini John Cooper Works WRC.
This was very interesting, I did not know anything about rally other than the names McRae, Burns, Sainz, and manufacturers Subaru, and Mitsubishi, and then this bloke called Sebastian Loeb in his Citroen showed up and won everything to win.
great video as usual but PLEASE
does anyone have a t-shirt or sweater or merch from this era's Hyundai team for sale? i love the looks and have been searching for something like that for years!
Oh no not the turbo again had me dying with laughter 😂😂
[Key Point] You just have to keep trying to be the Best!
Very enjoyed the video. About sx4 wrc too. Would be great if you would do video like that (not necessary only about bad teams) about all wrc teams. Unless you stick with "awful" ones, then Cordoba, Octavia and Fabia and Mini wrc would be great to watch. But as I said, would be awesome to see video about every team. Keep the good work. Kind Regards.
The MINI WRC wasnt awful. Just a program of Prodrive that didnt get the money they hoped for. David Richards hoped to convince BMW to invest in the project. Sordo even finished just under 7 seconds behind Ogier's DS3 at the French rally.
@@jvd_rx yes, I know that. I didn't say the car was "awful", it's actually my favorite wrc car. I said awful (program) like the title. In fact I don't think cars are awful. I think all those cars had " awful" drivers, who, let's be honest, didn't develop cars and couldn't give results.
The Octavia was the polar opposite of the Accent, it did have reliability but couldnt match the speed - 2001 was its best season tho
@@YBM2007 ok, that is your "polar opposite".
1999 - Skoda finished last with 6 points (5 finishes, 9 retirements)
2000 - last with 8 points (12 finishes, 4 retirements) same as Hyundai - 8 points
2001 - Skoda - 17 points (15 finishes, 13 retirements) Hyundai - 15 points
2002 - Skoda - 9 points ( 26 finishes, 13 retirements) Hyundai - 10 points
2003 - Skoda - 23 points (15 finishes, 13 retirements) Hyundai - 12 points (didn't enter last 4 rallies)
So yes, Skoda had 1 podium (3rd place) in 2001 but still finished only with 2 points more than Accent. So looking at all these I wouldn't call that "polar opposite".
Regards
@@krzysztofchabras9253 you didnt compare Hyundai retirements in 2001 + 2002 mate (also there is a difference between technical malfunction vs accident). The Octavia reliability issues was mostly sorted 1999-2000, nothing like the Accent turbo meme
It's like the Accent base car is cursed to start with that even after heavy modifications turning it into a WRC car, it's still a 💩box.
They just didn't have the budget to develop a competitive engine
A very good episode my friend. Have a sunny Thursday
I’d love to see a Triple 8 Race Engineering story the way that ended was erm different and there partnership with Vauxhall was very deep even creating 200 road cars
One of which is sat on my drive!
Brilliant video as always even if it took me 2months to get round to watching it!
Great video TyDye! Really loving your content!
More of these please. Skoda, Seat, Mini 🙏🏻
It's funny cars that are most considered underdogs like the accent, the seat Cordoba and the Skoda Octavia always turn out to be my favourite and most remembered cars
Hope you will do seat next!
Awesome video. Loved it, and made it to the end 👍
Very sad story.
I think the car looked quite cool.
I wonder what happened to Mitsubishi when they lost to these guys and Skoda?
About breaking turbo's: in those days this was not uncommon, rather actually quite common. The reason was ALS, that system really stressed any turbo on any car.
I don't think this gen. WRC cars had VVT so the ALS was very crude, lots op pops and bangs with shockwaves damaging the turbo internals which are quite delicate to begin with.
nice video. Thinking about some WRC cars, than the SEAT Cordoba WRC would also be an interesting one, especially as the SEAT brand will dissapear. Also there might be an interesting story in Mitsubishi's WRC. the force to leave the GroupA car and needed to switch to the awful Evo VII WRC. And than later come back with the great WRC04/05 who had mega potential, but Mitsu decided to stop the whole, while the cars still continued for years with quite some success internationally and nationally.
Mario Fornaris' ingenuity of Lancer. Lancer WRC 2005 was the car that was definetely hitting signs that in 2006 it would be an successor to Evo 5-6 championship winnings, but corporative logic of MItsubishi Motors decided the other way, not satisfied with actually somewhat good results by 2005.
And by then Fornaris once was working in Peugeot in its best days of early 2000's. So it was definetely the car created by genius.
But the corporation never accepts any fails, even if they are not that miserable.
Thanks! I've always been curious about this car! Great video!
Clearly no one at MSD nor Hyundai had heard of fixing what’s broke. Seeming they went 2.5 years and didn’t fix the turbo. No wonder it ended so badly.
I think MSD wasnt really up to the task to really build a competative WRC car, which was much more complex than the F2 Kitcars.
After the end of Group in in the 2010s and Subaru and Mitsubishi's exit from the sport WRC just died for me. It was like Ford and Chevy leaving NASCAR or F1 without Ferrari and McLaren.
i know rally cars should be composed of light materials wherever possible but this usually means body materials made out of light composites, not drivetrain parts made out of balsa wood, holy shit!
David Higgins did win the 2004 British Rally Championship in an Accent so in a way, something did come good for the car in the end.
Where did you find or footage would love to go back watch some old WRC
Very interesting, thanks.
one thing is clear, that accent with red bumpers and castrol livery is gorgeous
Please please please do a Škoda wrc video around this depth and length 🤩 from just about everybody at the Gravel Crew group 🤣🙌🏻
OMG a TyDye 40 min upload? Did Christmas arrive early??!
It won the British rally championship in 2004 driven by David Higgins
I enjoyed the video and made it through to the end, but i have to say... you almost lost me at the very beginning with the horrible aspect ratios. Avoiding stretching would take the quality up a lot.
Second, it would be interesting to know if there was much crossover early on with Hyundai's activity in SCCA ProRally. They campaigned Tiburons for multiple years, with some of the biggest names in American rallying involved.
would you cover skoda please? they have an amazing rally history.... for always being the underdog..... especialy the pre VW era cars.
Informative video but might be worth taking the background music down a bit and having more real rally sound on the clips if possible.
All I can hear now is a 2002 sante Fe door chime
Great video, thank you!
You should do the same type of video about mini and their wrc campaign
its trippy that hyundai shared a motor with the lancer evo . "siriusly"
Late 90s/early 00s were the heydays of WRC as far i'm concerned. Being too young for Group b, seeing the likes of Burns, Mcrae, Makinen, Sainz, Solberg, Gronholm, Martin all fighting for victories and all the different manufacturers was very exciting/cool. TV coverage back then was great too.
'What forgotten racing projects would you like to see me doing videos on?'
Well, good sir, I'd like to see you do a video on Citroen's unsuccessful Group B program with the BX 4TC. Pretty please.
Absolutely awesome watch this, well done
I think that a nice story for you to tell would be the following: in 1999 Hyundai ran 2 official cars in the 2Litres cup. Their rivals were VW and Renault with no official car or team (Citroen was not running that championship). Renault still managed to win the title because of many privateers running a Renault Mégane or old cars like Renault 18 and a Renault 4.
Im wondering how i know some kia parts are from Subaru since they were for rallying since Hyundai is owned by kia today
My uncle in the 90s
"I just got a new Elantra 2.0 Turbo!"
Me a rally fan kid
"Yea, about that..."
You could say the same for Seat WRC program, Suzuki, Citroen Grp B, Skoda WRC program (Octavia & Fabia).
the Hyundai Accent Rally Car in GT4 was always my favourite car to drive
Glickenhaus in GT as next project suggestion.
They sold a car with the Enzo's face and the only temas were one who made it silver and another who made it in rubber duck color. In the GT3 field that theroically should be extremely leveled.
Which was the P4/5?
@@dangerdean9066 no, that was for GT2 and was built around an F430 for regulations. Or whatever.
I was referring to the SCG 003.
@@il-ma.le. OHHH
I do wonder, with the many turbo issues the Accent had, I wonder if they thought of switching to supercharged. May not have power on the too end, but at low revs, it can have much more punch on accelerations.
Just like Suzuki, I'd have loved to see more of the Accent, allbeit with a bit more reliability...
It's a lovely looking car with a great livery in the Castrol years after all
Hyundai didn't give MSD enough £££££ - it could have been a decent car, and showed flashes of pace. Similarly, Skoda, Seat of the same era. I've often thought some manufacturers think they can do the WRC on a small budget - and succeed. You can't.
Call me crazy i quite like the looks of the Accent WRC.
One I was waitimg for tbh...
Gorgeous car with its fender flares and wide track - always liked the Accent WRC despite it not being competitive
What a great video, thank you!
The 2 litre championship that Hyundai lost to Renault was a complete embarrassment. For one thing, they were the only ones taking a serious tilt at the title, the only other entrants being Renault and VW (except VW didn't get their admin done on time...) For context, the Renault "effort" was a ragtag collection of private entry drivers including a Renault 18 first homologated in 1983 and a debutant running in a group N Clio. The Hyundai was a works effort.