In my honest opinion I believe the line delivery in the dark Knight returns between Batman and joker was the better variation. Batman: “No more! All the people I've murdered...” [uppercuts Joker] Batman: ... “by letting you live.” Joker: [Spits blood] “I never kept count.” Batman: “I did!” Joker: “I know. And I love you for it.”
You won't kill me because of some misplaced sense of self righteousness And I wont kill you, because you're just to much fun. I feel like we're destined to do this for ever
Incorrect. It’s not about self-righteousness. Bruce is just as sick as The Joker, just in a different way. The Joker is the clear and distinct villain Batman needs to justify his existence in the face of his parent’s tragic death. It’s Survivor’s Guilt taken to an extreme.
Joker: You're insane. Batman: You're one to talk. Joker: True, but that wasn't funny. It sounds like you were trying to make a dad joke. Batman: A**hole. Joker: Now that was funny.
@@whynot1548not really true the Joker has died quite a few times some without repercussions and some with, the whole thing is that Batman was given a complex feature as a character who does not kill, there’s just multiple reasons in writing and ways they can twist why Bruce doesn’t kill the Joker and what happens if he does It’s like asking why doesn’t Superman just kill Lex Luthor? Well because when he does writing often shows he isn’t the same Superman
I think there’s a better explanation. Batman is just as sick as The Joker, just in a different way. One of the quirks of Frank Miller’s writing which defined Batman for a long time was that Bruce is a man obsessed to the point that it affects his health and makes him a little bit crazy. He isn’t just a boy who lost his parents. He’s a man who MUST be a hero. He can NEVER make up for being unable to save his parents and Batman is his self inflicted penance. By that same coin he cannot be a hero in his own eyes without a clear and distinct villain. The source of crime which fuels him, gives him purpose. The Joker is the sort of irredeemable monster that fills this role perfectly. As such if Batman were to lose the Joker he might have to face the reality of his own being, something which Bruce cannot accept. You could call it The Curse Of Gotham. Bruce even adopts children and picks up sidekicks with the intention of poisoning them, creating new madmen like himself whether he understands this function or not. He’s only human with all too human emotions and trauma. You might even say three people died the day the Waynes were gunned down.
Batman will never kill Joker, it's not logic or morality that prevents him from killing joker, it's the fact that he beleives that if he does he will enjoy it, and want to do it again. Like an recovering alcoholic trying just one drink. It's in my opinion the most interesting character trait of batman especially because of the dynamic he has with the joker because of it. I beleive that Batman should never kill the joker since it would not be batman anymore.
@@JJ-ur2lf Sure, soldiers and cops kill people, who have done nothing comparable to a Joker, yet Batman’s been written to state that guns are a coward’s weapon, and that killing makes one lesser, or the same as the villain. That’s just not true, and it’s the worst part of Batman. My favorite time reading Batman, was when the story with Ras and Bruce’s affair with Talia first happened. It was collected as Son of The Demon. Batman didn’t kill, but he didn’t stop people from dying either. Example: early in the comic, he takes down a gang, that is in an industrial type of plant, or site of some type. When he does this, he cripples people, does things that even a slight hit to the head after they fall, could cause death. He dodges a gun shot, knowing there’s a canister holding dangerous chemicals behind him, and the bullet pierces it, spraying the substance all over the man’s face. His face falls off to the bone. That man, is dead. Even if he survived, it’s just as bad as having killed him, and a worse fate for most. The more recent reasoning for him never killing, has been one a joke.
@@CorbCorbin Killing may not make someone a villain, but Batman believes he would be one if he did. To him it's not about being a hero, it's about healing. He has to fight criminals, it's like a coping mechanism, he can't not do that. But he realizes that the moment he kills there's no going back, he will continue to kill. This man is someone who tortures criminals and doesn't feel anything, it's not too far off to say he would be ok with killing. That's why he has a rule. He is afraid of what he would become if he did kill, so he does everything he can to save the ones he can save, even if it means sacrificing himself. He wouldn't have created failsafe if he wasn't scared of that possibility. Zur enar batman is also an example of it, although I'm not a huge fan of how they did that.
@@CorbCorbinBatman has often said he is beyond the capabilities of normal people, the military and cops use guns over fear to intentionally kill their enemies, Batman purposely trained to a point where he doesn’t need guns and a Batman that does use guns is a mass murderer, he is saying killing starts a vicious cycle because that’s the same the very reason he became Batman They even mention in the comics that Bruce’s methods were brutal early on and after he started getting morality from the Bat-Family he became a new kind of Batman one that doesn’t just maim criminals and treat his Robins like soldiers
People always ask why Batman doesn’t kill the Joker as if it’s his job to do it. The joker has been in locked up plenty of times and yet never sentenced to death but no one mentions that part.
To be entirely fair to the writers, Gotham is corrupt as shit. Bruce knows this damn well and keeps putting his faith in an institution that will inevitably fail. Besides, often it's the more political villians that get Joker out.
3:53, This line of comics is a pretty good depiction on what Bruce’s first encounter with someone as alien-minded like Joker would play out, with Bruce coming off as grandiose as he impotently tries to beat fear and guilt into someone who can’t feel it, as if trying to break a wall with just his fists, finally meeting someone that matches his will. Bruce’s mistake is treating Joker as someone who can feel fear, sorrow, despair, guilt or shame the same way normal people do, especially this Joker, who perfectly embodies Nolan’s Alfred’s line about some men being incapable of being bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with, as they do what they do for sport and ultimately want to watch the world burn out of a love of chaos (all the while babbling nonsensical jokes to reflect the nonsense and absurdity he sees in the world). 4:05, Speaking of which, you can imagine a guy dressed as a bat, who calls his car “The Batmobile” and waxes on about being a legendary defender of justice while from a certain point of view, he could be seen as a self-righteous, pretentious brute that is, in his own way, just as insane as people may call him very funny to someone like Joker. 6:48, And in the end, the two of them seek validation, beating the other in order to prove their perspective as ultimately truth, for Bruce, that being the strength and sanctity of order and good and for Joker, that being the inevitability of chaos and evil. Their battles are supposed to be ideological just as much as they are physical, as proving the other wrong means proving they are not the one who is “crazy”, when the truth will always be that both of them are.
Just give Joker a split personality like they did in the White Knight. Then there is a concrete reason Batman doesn't kill Joker and it offers more stakes to the idea of Batman wanting to cure/rehabilitate his villains.
Bat-tery. Get it? Like a batarang or Batmobile. The problem with the joke is it was too early and Joker doesn't know much about Batman. It might work now.
I really like the idea of Batman not being the savior of the Gotham that world saw him as. But just another victim of what the city has done to him. (God, I miss Alfred) 😭
Yeah, I’ll agree it’s not meant for Batman to save Gotham; That’s a job for Bruce Wayne, Lucius Fox, the Robins and any other normal person who can help the city. On the other hand, saying ‘Batman is crazy’ like how this and other stories suggest is cringe at this point, what they mean by “crazy” or “mad” is never explained in any story that suggests Batman is “crazy” and I’m over it.
We all know it's a tragedy that Kevin Conroy has passed away, but this just compounds it even more, since we'll never hear him and Mark Hamill portray this scene together.
Joker in the Brave and the Bold: "We're going to have such a grand time together, aren't we?" Heath Ledger's Joker: "I think you and I are destined to do this forever." *chills*
He will of its required, Batman killed himself and the joker during Batman endgame when it was that or let the joker free without him around to stop em for example
He doesn't kill because he believes the people he catches and stops can be rehabilitated. Not because he cant or wouldn't, but because he believes in that idea fully.
@@KaijuKingTheRisen He doesn't kill because it's not his job. Technically, he has the right to arrest criminals. But he doesn't have the right to kill them. Sure, he does some illegal things to arrest them, but murdering them would be in a whole other class of illegality. Also, he doesn't kill because he's often unsure if he's doing the right thing. He follows that one rule, blindly, because if he breaks it one day, he'll know he's gone too far and he needs to stop.
He also doesnt kill because he's far far from mentally stable and knows it. He's tempted to do so every day but knows if he indulges even once, he'll sink far deep down into it. And we've seen what batman becomes if he starts killing and takes on the mantle of the Batman Who laughs
I thought so too at first, but the joke is different when reading it rather than hearing it. Since it’s spelled “Tery”, it’s a play on the fact that he puts “Bat” in front of everything.
Because Batman is insane and needs a nemesis to validate himself. Bruce Wayne isn't good he just wants to dress up, play the hero and let out his trauma and hate through violence.
This was a fantastic confrontation between batman and the Joker. It reminded me of Batman the killing joke movie, which was amazing by the way. The joker emphasized that all it takes is one bad day to make people break and in the end, not just the city but the world already mad.
Good to have you back Aris. 👍🏻 Great recap of the book. Not a big Tom King fan as he ends up destroying all characters he touches (see the new Wonder Woman 🤦🏼♂️ amongst many) But I like the context to the initial Batman/Joker meeting. I can’t help but think though….that there is so little creativity in comics right now….they keep trying to add to The Batman mythos. Why not just create new good stories? Must everything be “reinvented”? Again….i like it overall…( to your point it was drawn out) but what DC Comics and the industry need are new creatives. Haven’t we got enough Batman/Joker content? Thanks again.
I got alot of youtubers merch for Xmas and I have to say the shirt you are wearing in this video is by far the most comfortable and well made shirt of them all. Bravo! Now back to the Bats vs Jokes video.
Wanna know what’s the REAL funny bit. Joker can freely admit he needs Batman but Batman will never admit he also need the joker. The joker even tried to kill himself but shooting himself point blank, and Batman did everything he could to save him.
TRANSLATION: Batman sees Joker as his Dark Mirror (hmm sounds like a good title for a comic series), so probably feels his quest would end if he ever killed the Joker despite the other villains that plagued Gotham over the years. Joker sees Batman as the Bellerophon to his Chimera.
WHY DOES BATMAN *HAVE* TO KILL THE JOKER? Why doesn't the Gotham justice system end his life? Batman doesn't have to be the one to pull the trigger. And yes, they do have the ability to end his life, once Batman turns him in.
My take: when joker says I always get it he saying he sees everything as a joke at this point, so the joke to him from Batman is your crazy, jokers saying that’s not funny because he keeps trying to through jokes tell Batman your just as crazy as I am you just don’t see it, and joker didn’t get it at first but basically Batman told him that’s not funny, and when he said we’re going to have a grand time it’s because he was saying I’m never going to stop doing what I do and your never going to truly stop me, so we’ll go round and round and have lots of fun together, and I think when Alfred said they both are looking for something in each other I think he meant a outlet for all that madness, joker literally doesn’t think there is a god or rules so nothing he does matters that’s why he just laughs at Batman going on about the names of people he killed, so he chooses to do whatever he wants for a laugh, Batman was traumatized by a criminal and declared war on crime as a outlet to feel some type of control in his life, and chasing the joker around gives him the best outlet ever so he’ll never really kill him but convinced himself it’s because he’s better than joker, that’s why Alfred said seeing him let joker run around doing everything he does shows him Batman isn’t really trying to save gotham….
Since you did the origin of Sonic the Hedgehog characters Tails and Knuckles in your previous video, when are you going to do history of Sonic the Hedgehog himself? When are you going to do history of JSA member Cyclone along with DC Sabbac since he's the main Villain of the Black_Adam movie?
Since you did the history of Conrad Carapax, Are you going to do history of OMAC, Overthrow, Dr Polaris, Posse and the Brotherhood of Evil who are all Blue_Beetle villains without a Scarab? Can you please do origin of DC the Reach who are the aliens who created the Scarab of the Blue_Beetle since no one else has done an origin video of them? Since you did the comic book origin Dan Garett, Ted Kord and Jamie Reyes the Blue Beetle, can you do comic book origin of DC Black_Beetle, Red Beetle, Green Beetle, Yellow Beetle and the Silver_Scarab?
This is their first confrontation. Bruce was much younger, less experienced, more arrogant, angrier, more naive, and still in his "I work alone" mindset. He didn't have time and the Bat-Family around yet to ground him.
If only Gotham didn't have an indefinite statue of limitations for madness, Batman wouldn't have to deal with half the body count of his rogue's gallery.
Love you vids man! Always watched since 2015 ! Tom King definitely self inserts himself with these classic Characters especially with the dialogue. I rather him never write another Batman book ever again after this.
I'll tell you the real reason: because DC either won't let or won't hire a writer that will write Gotham competently. Gotham as a city would've put Joker to death itself at this point, or the Amazon's, or any other place on Earth for what he's done. They could've also made him part of the Blue Lantern Corp. making he and Batman allies considering every other avenue of their relationship has been hashed out to death already.
It ending with "this is the beginning of something, the two of us" is kind of cringe. Its too on the nose. The audience already knows this is the start of it all, do the characters need to tell us?
Why SHOULD Batman be the one to kill the Joker? We have laws, justice, and punishments for this sort of thing. Are we to force a single man to carry that burden, to weigh down his soul with one more dark blight, when that should be a sin shared?
That isn't what Batman would do in those circumstances. It doesn't make sense to randomly tell a joke. And why would Joker accuse Batman of being insane if he knows what people view as "sanity" is the problem? Batman is small talking too much to be Batman too. The conversation as Bruce fits but as Batman it doesn't work as well. Not enough build up. Not enough context. It doesn't pay off.
I’m perfectly fine with the interpretation from the red hood storyline where Batman just says that if he went down that path of killing, then he would never come back. But the writing in this issue was incredible and I really appreciate the effort that went into it.
Hasn't anyone read 'Going Sane'? Joker would be cured if he knew Batman was dead. He literally wouldn't know what to do with himself, asides from getting married and having kids .
I’ve always wondered why it’s presented as Batman has to take down the Joker. Gotham PD kills people for less as do killer vigilantes and the US government. And yet he remains alive.
if they adapted this comic into a movie and actually did it where it was actually f&*%(^g terrifying. you can have my f&@#(*$g soul for all i care. *I NEED IT.*
For someone with a no kill rule he's killed a surprising amount of people Simply put, he wont kill joker because killing such an iconic villain would hurt sales
I was going into this story expecting BS and I was right! So Batman doesn’t kill joker cause they’re the same on different ends on their extreme morality? That’s why Batman doesn’t kill? Gimme a break, it’s adding to another pile of BS reasons why Batman doesn’t kill. He remembers all the names of the people Joker kills and that list is getting longer and isn’t stopping, even the reasoning of Gotham being evil and will just spit out someone worse doesn’t work. Batman can just kill those monsters and train the next generation to do so too, “oh but it’ll be an endless cycle!” and what Batman is doing now isn’t? Batman beyond is canon and crime hasn’t stopped or lessened so Batman was wrong in the end.
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In my honest opinion I believe the line delivery in the dark Knight returns between Batman and joker was the better variation.
Batman: “No more! All the people I've murdered...”
[uppercuts Joker]
Batman: ... “by letting you live.”
Joker: [Spits blood] “I never kept count.”
Batman: “I did!”
Joker: “I know. And I love you for it.”
Vastly better, this new issue is garbage!🗑️
You won't kill me because of some misplaced sense of self righteousness
And I wont kill you, because you're just to much fun. I feel like we're destined to do this for ever
Incorrect. It’s not about self-righteousness. Bruce is just as sick as The Joker, just in a different way. The Joker is the clear and distinct villain Batman needs to justify his existence in the face of his parent’s tragic death. It’s Survivor’s Guilt taken to an extreme.
@@VidelxSpopovich That and comic writers being too lazy to make a new character
@@VidelxSpopovich It's the line from the Nolan movies "The Dark Knight".
@@whoopass2rb I don’t watch trash.
Well, you can stick to your lane and we can stick to ours.@@VidelxSpopovich
Joker: You're insane.
Batman: You're one to talk.
Joker: True, but that wasn't funny. It sounds like you were trying to make a dad joke.
Batman: A**hole.
Joker: Now that was funny.
Batman is a dad. Of course, he makes dad jokes.
Can you guys please bring back the old intro music I miss it
Yeah that music got me hyped
Hate new theme bring old one back please
Yeah that always gets me hyped before the video starts
Yeah. The original intro music was way better. It would always get me psyched up for the video every time 🤘 Plz bring the original intro back 🙏
Agreed. It's iconic.
The truth? "Because it would be bad for the brand."
And the phony comic fans on RUclips would have nothing to whine about lol
@@whynot1548not really true the Joker has died quite a few times some without repercussions and some with, the whole thing is that Batman was given a complex feature as a character who does not kill, there’s just multiple reasons in writing and ways they can twist why Bruce doesn’t kill the Joker and what happens if he does
It’s like asking why doesn’t Superman just kill Lex Luthor? Well because when he does writing often shows he isn’t the same Superman
You can’t handle the truth!
@@DrippleDragonand THAT can be considered progression
I think there’s a better explanation. Batman is just as sick as The Joker, just in a different way. One of the quirks of Frank Miller’s writing which defined Batman for a long time was that Bruce is a man obsessed to the point that it affects his health and makes him a little bit crazy.
He isn’t just a boy who lost his parents. He’s a man who MUST be a hero. He can NEVER make up for being unable to save his parents and Batman is his self inflicted penance. By that same coin he cannot be a hero in his own eyes without a clear and distinct villain. The source of crime which fuels him, gives him purpose. The Joker is the sort of irredeemable monster that fills this role perfectly. As such if Batman were to lose the Joker he might have to face the reality of his own being, something which Bruce cannot accept.
You could call it The Curse Of Gotham. Bruce even adopts children and picks up sidekicks with the intention of poisoning them, creating new madmen like himself whether he understands this function or not. He’s only human with all too human emotions and trauma. You might even say three people died the day the Waynes were gunned down.
It’s the editors that won’t let the Joker stay dead more than anything.
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Batman will never kill Joker, it's not logic or morality that prevents him from killing joker, it's the fact that he beleives that if he does he will enjoy it, and want to do it again. Like an recovering alcoholic trying just one drink. It's in my opinion the most interesting character trait of batman especially because of the dynamic he has with the joker because of it. I beleive that Batman should never kill the joker since it would not be batman anymore.
@@JJ-ur2lf
Sure, soldiers and cops kill people, who have done nothing comparable to a Joker, yet Batman’s been written to state that guns are a coward’s weapon, and that killing makes one lesser, or the same as the villain.
That’s just not true, and it’s the worst part of Batman.
My favorite time reading Batman, was when the story with Ras and Bruce’s affair with Talia first happened. It was collected as Son of The Demon.
Batman didn’t kill, but he didn’t stop people from dying either. Example: early in the comic, he takes down a gang, that is in an industrial type of plant, or site of some type. When he does this, he cripples people, does things that even a slight hit to the head after they fall, could cause death. He dodges a gun shot, knowing there’s a canister holding dangerous chemicals behind him, and the bullet pierces it, spraying the substance all over the man’s face. His face falls off to the bone. That man, is dead. Even if he survived, it’s just as bad as having killed him, and a worse fate for most.
The more recent reasoning for him never killing, has been one a joke.
@@CorbCorbin Killing may not make someone a villain, but Batman believes he would be one if he did. To him it's not about being a hero, it's about healing. He has to fight criminals, it's like a coping mechanism, he can't not do that. But he realizes that the moment he kills there's no going back, he will continue to kill. This man is someone who tortures criminals and doesn't feel anything, it's not too far off to say he would be ok with killing. That's why he has a rule.
He is afraid of what he would become if he did kill, so he does everything he can to save the ones he can save, even if it means sacrificing himself. He wouldn't have created failsafe if he wasn't scared of that possibility. Zur enar batman is also an example of it, although I'm not a huge fan of how they did that.
@@CorbCorbinBatman has often said he is beyond the capabilities of normal people, the military and cops use guns over fear to intentionally kill their enemies, Batman purposely trained to a point where he doesn’t need guns and a Batman that does use guns is a mass murderer, he is saying killing starts a vicious cycle because that’s the same the very reason he became Batman
They even mention in the comics that Bruce’s methods were brutal early on and after he started getting morality from the Bat-Family he became a new kind of Batman one that doesn’t just maim criminals and treat his Robins like soldiers
People always ask why Batman doesn’t kill the Joker as if it’s his job to do it. The joker has been in locked up plenty of times and yet never sentenced to death but no one mentions that part.
It's called lazy writing, genius.
The people asking that question are asking a logical one adult question
Robot Chicken did. Then they recreated the scene from Green Mile.
To be entirely fair to the writers, Gotham is corrupt as shit. Bruce knows this damn well and keeps putting his faith in an institution that will inevitably fail. Besides, often it's the more political villians that get Joker out.
3:53, This line of comics is a pretty good depiction on what Bruce’s first encounter with someone as alien-minded like Joker would play out, with Bruce coming off as grandiose as he impotently tries to beat fear and guilt into someone who can’t feel it, as if trying to break a wall with just his fists, finally meeting someone that matches his will.
Bruce’s mistake is treating Joker as someone who can feel fear, sorrow, despair, guilt or shame the same way normal people do, especially this Joker, who perfectly embodies Nolan’s Alfred’s line about some men being incapable of being bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with, as they do what they do for sport and ultimately want to watch the world burn out of a love of chaos (all the while babbling nonsensical jokes to reflect the nonsense and absurdity he sees in the world).
4:05, Speaking of which, you can imagine a guy dressed as a bat, who calls his car “The Batmobile” and waxes on about being a legendary defender of justice while from a certain point of view, he could be seen as a self-righteous, pretentious brute that is, in his own way, just as insane as people may call him very funny to someone like Joker.
6:48, And in the end, the two of them seek validation, beating the other in order to prove their perspective as ultimately truth, for Bruce, that being the strength and sanctity of order and good and for Joker, that being the inevitability of chaos and evil. Their battles are supposed to be ideological just as much as they are physical, as proving the other wrong means proving they are not the one who is “crazy”, when the truth will always be that both of them are.
Batman and The Joker are made for each other, after all -- The unstoppable force meets the immovable object.
Love it great way to sum it all up
omg they actually did the Bat-tery Joke
Bat tries to tell a joke and it’s not funny get it?
It is a don't get a dark humor
Dc comics should make a comic book of Batman try solve who murders joker 🃏 and but everyone think Batman is prime suspect who did
that formula always work
That's an idiotic plot. Who would care who killed a serial killer?
Comics are dead......so ur formula DOESN'T work
@@whynot1548 Jim Gordon who always wants things done by the book.
Just give Joker a split personality like they did in the White Knight. Then there is a concrete reason Batman doesn't kill Joker and it offers more stakes to the idea of Batman wanting to cure/rehabilitate his villains.
I think Batman is actually addicted to his interactions with the Joker. The same goes for the Joker. It's a sick codependent relationship.
Totally agree
Batman: *What's a terry!?* 💀
Joker: Youre insane!
Me: *LMAO BRUH!* 😂
I don't get the joke
@@Watch-0w1must be from batman beyond
@@johnlawful2272 but what terryl got to do with a mechanic or battery?
Bat-tery. Get it? Like a batarang or Batmobile. The problem with the joke is it was too early and Joker doesn't know much about Batman. It might work now.
@@johnwyblejr6460 oo lol now I got it.
I really like the idea of Batman not being the savior of the Gotham that world saw him as. But just another victim of what the city has done to him. (God, I miss Alfred) 😭
Yeah, I’ll agree it’s not meant for Batman to save Gotham; That’s a job for Bruce Wayne, Lucius Fox, the Robins and any other normal person who can help the city. On the other hand, saying ‘Batman is crazy’ like how this and other stories suggest is cringe at this point, what they mean by “crazy” or “mad” is never explained in any story that suggests Batman is “crazy” and I’m over it.
Crazy enough, just like how Batman will never kill anyone, Joker will never let anyone ELSE kill or unmask Batman.
We all know it's a tragedy that Kevin Conroy has passed away, but this just compounds it even more, since we'll never hear him and Mark Hamill portray this scene together.
Joker in the Brave and the Bold: "We're going to have such a grand time together, aren't we?"
Heath Ledger's Joker: "I think you and I are destined to do this forever."
*chills*
I wonder, Batman could cripple Joker, paralyze him from the neck down. It ain't a kill, and I doubt Gordon would complain.
Authors have a problem with that
@@mariusconstantin6057Who cares
@@brianachim2670 somehow someway the authors wpuld make rhinks jist wlrse for the Bat if he did parralyze the Joker
Batman is insane that's why he needs therapy, not saving the city, not a family, just a meeting with a therapist for couple years
Batman cnows and understand this that he is mentally unstable that if he starts killing he won't stop
They both have something to prove. Yet nothing to gain.
I thought it was always revealed….Batman simply doesn’t kill..
He will of its required, Batman killed himself and the joker during Batman endgame when it was that or let the joker free without him around to stop em for example
Yeah, pretty one dimensional comic book logic. No wonder nobody reads them anymore
He doesn't kill because he believes the people he catches and stops can be rehabilitated. Not because he cant or wouldn't, but because he believes in that idea fully.
@@KaijuKingTheRisen He doesn't kill because it's not his job. Technically, he has the right to arrest criminals. But he doesn't have the right to kill them. Sure, he does some illegal things to arrest them, but murdering them would be in a whole other class of illegality.
Also, he doesn't kill because he's often unsure if he's doing the right thing. He follows that one rule, blindly, because if he breaks it one day, he'll know he's gone too far and he needs to stop.
He also doesnt kill because he's far far from mentally stable and knows it. He's tempted to do so every day but knows if he indulges even once, he'll sink far deep down into it. And we've seen what batman becomes if he starts killing and takes on the mantle of the Batman Who laughs
A MUCH better punchline would have been "My name's not Terry."
I thought so too at first, but the joke is different when reading it rather than hearing it. Since it’s spelled “Tery”, it’s a play on the fact that he puts “Bat” in front of everything.
Alfred is the goat fr fr🐐
That didn’t sound like a new take on the Batman-Joker dynamic, rather just another reiteration of their established characterization.
Always awesome when Variant Comics uploads
Because Batman is insane and needs a nemesis to validate himself. Bruce Wayne isn't good he just wants to dress up, play the hero and let out his trauma and hate through violence.
This was a fantastic confrontation between batman and the Joker. It reminded me of Batman the killing joke movie, which was amazing by the way. The joker emphasized that all it takes is one bad day to make people break and in the end, not just the city but the world already mad.
This books sucks
Yeah it was nice.
Anakin Skywalker
I miss Alfred so much but they better leave him dead. Lord knows the family needs the growth
Nice to see you again, Aris. Glad your feeling better.
Yeah this comic does a fantastic job of showing Batman and joker's first confrontation
Good to have you back Aris. 👍🏻
Great recap of the book. Not a big Tom King fan as he ends up destroying all characters he touches (see the new Wonder Woman 🤦🏼♂️ amongst many)
But I like the context to the initial Batman/Joker meeting.
I can’t help but think though….that there is so little creativity in comics right now….they keep trying to add to The Batman mythos. Why not just create new good stories? Must everything be “reinvented”?
Again….i like it overall…( to your point it was drawn out) but what DC Comics and the industry need are new creatives. Haven’t we got enough Batman/Joker content?
Thanks again.
"must be unhappy single and sadman" --Tom Cuck
I got alot of youtubers merch for Xmas and I have to say the shirt you are wearing in this video is by far the most comfortable and well made shirt of them all. Bravo!
Now back to the Bats vs Jokes video.
Can you do history of Alfred Pennyworth, Batwing, Flame Bird, Batwoman, Azrael, Signal(Duke Thomas), Bluebird, Stephanie Brown and Carrie Kelly?
Hey hey no robin jarro batcow 😮😮
@Quentinfogger5755 For Real He's Way Overdue On Alfred Pennyworth
Agreed. Bring back the old intro music. It was super dope.
Just wanted to add some info: the ECTO-1 total cost was over $2000 to build, so I'm guessing it's about the same for the batmobile.
Wanna know what’s the REAL funny bit. Joker can freely admit he needs Batman but Batman will never admit he also need the joker. The joker even tried to kill himself but shooting himself point blank, and Batman did everything he could to save him.
TRANSLATION: Batman sees Joker as his Dark Mirror (hmm sounds like a good title for a comic series), so probably feels his quest would end if he ever killed the Joker despite the other villains that plagued Gotham over the years. Joker sees Batman as the Bellerophon to his Chimera.
My favorite thing about The Joker is it's canon in DC that The Joker will never, ever stay dead.
And Terry said in the Return of the Joker, The old man wouldn't know a good joke if it bit him in the cape!
The Joker: YOU'RE NOT BATMAN!
Terry: Not *your* Batman.
And he does the one thing Bruce Wayne can never do...kill the Joker.
Get it? BAT-tery, bat, tery. Ah hahahaha!
What happened in issues 2-8? I can't find any videos on them.
Exactly what I’m wondering.
Batman : Costumed vigilante or abuser of the mentally ill?
Woah woah woah, start of issue 9? The last video I can find from y’all ends after issue 2. What happened to issues 3-8???
"Reveals"? It's been revealed.
"What's a tery?" Hahahaha!! I get it, because he put's "Bat" in front of everything, Bat-tery...Hahahaha!!
Comic book characters never grow old 'Elton John"
WHY DOES BATMAN *HAVE* TO KILL THE JOKER? Why doesn't the Gotham justice system end his life? Batman doesn't have to be the one to pull the trigger.
And yes, they do have the ability to end his life, once Batman turns him in.
When it's all said and done that's his interpretation, and if it's true that means Batman is a villain. That's actually a kinda sick interpretation.
The beginning of a messed up romance
Love the artwork
5:43 a real commercial for something cool for 1 time.
Could DC just go ahead and reveal Joker and Batman are related in some way? Cousins? Half-brothers? WHATEVER!?
My take: when joker says I always get it he saying he sees everything as a joke at this point, so the joke to him from Batman is your crazy, jokers saying that’s not funny because he keeps trying to through jokes tell Batman your just as crazy as I am you just don’t see it, and joker didn’t get it at first but basically Batman told him that’s not funny, and when he said we’re going to have a grand time it’s because he was saying I’m never going to stop doing what I do and your never going to truly stop me, so we’ll go round and round and have lots of fun together, and I think when Alfred said they both are looking for something in each other I think he meant a outlet for all that madness, joker literally doesn’t think there is a god or rules so nothing he does matters that’s why he just laughs at Batman going on about the names of people he killed, so he chooses to do whatever he wants for a laugh, Batman was traumatized by a criminal and declared war on crime as a outlet to feel some type of control in his life, and chasing the joker around gives him the best outlet ever so he’ll never really kill him but convinced himself it’s because he’s better than joker, that’s why Alfred said seeing him let joker run around doing everything he does shows him Batman isn’t really trying to save gotham….
This is quite a romantic first confrontation ❤
Good comic but more portly I still Miss Alfred 😊😢🦇🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🦇
Since you did the origin of Sonic the Hedgehog characters Tails and Knuckles in your previous video, when are you going to do history of Sonic the Hedgehog himself?
When are you going to do history of JSA member Cyclone along with DC Sabbac since he's the main Villain of the Black_Adam movie?
In other words, a kinda sorta prequel to 'The Killing Joke.'
Wait did you do madame web already or no? If not please please do do
Also, this theme is just as cool if not cooler. No matter what is good, considering the knowledge drop, we soon thereafter receive.
Since you did the history of Conrad Carapax, Are you going to do history of OMAC, Overthrow, Dr Polaris, Posse and the Brotherhood of Evil who are all Blue_Beetle villains without a Scarab?
Can you please do origin of DC the Reach who are the aliens who created the Scarab of the Blue_Beetle since no one else has done an origin video of them?
Since you did the comic book origin Dan Garett, Ted Kord and Jamie Reyes the Blue Beetle, can you do comic book origin of DC Black_Beetle, Red Beetle, Green Beetle, Yellow Beetle and the Silver_Scarab?
We all know why Batman won’t kill Joker, the moral code
I like that y'all change the intro music sometimes.
@6:50 Around here is the answer, but it's still a good read.
2:39 OG MW2 reference.
Ha!! I thought the same
Batman is awesome 😎
9th? Did variant cover the other 8?
What's up with Batman rejecting help from Alfred Pennyworth? Did Robin exist during this time?
This is their first confrontation. Bruce was much younger, less experienced, more arrogant, angrier, more naive, and still in his "I work alone" mindset. He didn't have time and the Bat-Family around yet to ground him.
If only Gotham didn't have an indefinite statue of limitations for madness, Batman wouldn't have to deal with half the body count of his rogue's gallery.
Is the Batman and the Joker best twisted lovers in all of comics? Cuz I think so 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Love you vids man! Always watched since 2015 ! Tom King definitely self inserts himself with these classic Characters especially with the dialogue. I rather him never write another Batman book ever again after this.
Hey @variant, have you heard of a character named evil Ernie?
WHERE’S THE INTRO MUSIC
I'll tell you the real reason: because DC either won't let or won't hire a writer that will write Gotham competently. Gotham as a city would've put Joker to death itself at this point, or the Amazon's, or any other place on Earth for what he's done. They could've also made him part of the Blue Lantern Corp. making he and Batman allies considering every other avenue of their relationship has been hashed out to death already.
Wow Batman remembers Henry Claridge
It ending with "this is the beginning of something, the two of us" is kind of cringe. Its too on the nose. The audience already knows this is the start of it all, do the characters need to tell us?
Speaking of Alfred Pennyworth, How many of you think that this channel should do a origin video about the butler who raised Bruce Wayne?
Did he just created his own nemesis?
Also comic book should not be taken seriously because joker would have been shot by a cop or a random guy
So they are both crazy.......no duh.....
Please bring back the old opening intro music theme. By the way Great Batman content. Again, please bring back the old opening intro music theme
Why SHOULD Batman be the one to kill the Joker? We have laws, justice, and punishments for this sort of thing. Are we to force a single man to carry that burden, to weigh down his soul with one more dark blight, when that should be a sin shared?
Did anyone else notice that Batman looks like Adam West? Very good callback.
That isn't what Batman would do in those circumstances. It doesn't make sense to randomly tell a joke. And why would Joker accuse Batman of being insane if he knows what people view as "sanity" is the problem? Batman is small talking too much to be Batman too. The conversation as Bruce fits but as Batman it doesn't work as well.
Not enough build up. Not enough context. It doesn't pay off.
I’m perfectly fine with the interpretation from the red hood storyline where Batman just says that if he went down that path of killing, then he would never come back. But the writing in this issue was incredible and I really appreciate the effort that went into it.
Hasn't anyone read 'Going Sane'?
Joker would be cured if he knew Batman was dead.
He literally wouldn't know what to do with himself, asides from getting married and having kids .
I’ve always wondered why it’s presented as Batman has to take down the Joker. Gotham PD kills people for less as do killer vigilantes and the US government. And yet he remains alive.
if they adapted this comic into a movie and actually did it where it was actually f&*%(^g terrifying. you can have my f&@#(*$g soul for all i care. *I NEED IT.*
I miss the old theme! Love you
2:22 “never again. not one more name” 🧢🤦🏿♂️
For someone with a no kill rule he's killed a surprising amount of people
Simply put, he wont kill joker because killing such an iconic villain would hurt sales
great talk. there's certainly madness in batman
I was going into this story expecting BS and I was right! So Batman doesn’t kill joker cause they’re the same on different ends on their extreme morality? That’s why Batman doesn’t kill? Gimme a break, it’s adding to another pile of BS reasons why Batman doesn’t kill. He remembers all the names of the people Joker kills and that list is getting longer and isn’t stopping, even the reasoning of Gotham being evil and will just spit out someone worse doesn’t work. Batman can just kill those monsters and train the next generation to do so too, “oh but it’ll be an endless cycle!” and what Batman is doing now isn’t? Batman beyond is canon and crime hasn’t stopped or lessened so Batman was wrong in the end.
I say send the crazy looney tune into the Phantom Zone.
i dont trust fanhome to finish any of the models it will take up to 3 years there is no saying this company will still be here in 3 years i wish you could just buy the whole model from the start instead of monthly parts
Why don’t you spend so much time after the Joker Batman? Everybody knows he’s psychotic
That should be a movie.
This makes so much sense
Ur being sarcastic, right?
It's this kind of lazy trope that has effectively killed comics
@@whynot1548 yes but no. I don’t like the trope of oh Batman needs joker as much as joker needs Batman but I agree with the Batman being looney part
"recite them each night..."
So, you don't get any sleep...
Batman does not sleep much at all....
New upload!!!
The Bat-Tery joke works better with Batman saying it to Robin, but I guess Batman didn't have a Robin at this point.
Giving vibes of Arkham Asylum.