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Why Jeep 4XE Is A HUGE Sales FLOP
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
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Today I talk about why Jeep's 4XE powertrain is not selling as well as Jeep would hope in the U.S. Market!
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38% of Jeep Wranglers sold in the US in the first quarter of this year were 4XEs. The top two PHEVs in the US are the Wrangler 4XE and the Grand Cherokee 4XE. The 4XE is outselling the Prius Prime. I’m trying to figure out where the flop is.
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Ben and savagegeese love to poop on the 4XE for some reason. If they were birds, the 4XE would be my mailbox.
Yeah, not sure what this guy is on about? I see them everywhere now. This kind of content is how you get unsubbed.
@@Koulson_ Would you happen to have some dealer names and locations? We have people in the 4XE Fans group that are looking.
@@Koulson_ LIAR
On a 1600 mile excursion I did on my 4XE Rubicon, 260 miles of the 1600 were 100% full electric, only 75 miles were from charge ups, the rest came from max Regen. My average MPG for entire trip was average 26MPG which for all terrain 33’s is quite impressive
Also the times that I charged up, were free at the hotel 😂, people have no idea what they’re missing out on
Thanks for the actual information. I have a 2021 JL Rubi but I’m going to get the 2024 4xe Rubi
@@carltuckerson7718 wise decision you won’t regret it! I didn’t even mention how easy it is to pass people, even with a fully loaded Jeep in terms of cargo, you can quickly fly from 80 to 100mph to pass cars (it’s not a race car, but you got all you need, for when you need it) 375HP and 475lbs ft torque is no joke. Im going to upgrade to 37s, most folks running it on their 4XE say it’s hardly noticeable with all that instant torque. This 4XE Rubicon leaves very little to be desired, it checks off all the boxes.
You must have been driving very slow. The 4xe rubi does not even get close to that at a comfortable 75mph
Proof or cap
I bought a 4xe rubicon, prices was similar to the rubicon v6. Plus the tax credits and fuel economy is a no brainer. My commute to work is 22 miles round trips. So a full tank of gas last me almost 700-800miles.
I agree with you 100%. Although I'm afraid of what's to come down the road in maintenance cost for the 4xe. Thus why I'm considering the v6 rubi. What are you're thoughts? since you own a 4xe. Looking for some insights as I'm unsure which way to go....Currently drive a 2015 Wrangler Sahara. Thank you.
How much did you get back on your tax return for having the hybrid?
@@mcwendel8066 I got 7,500 in tax credits.
@@MickeyFi1ms maintenance in all EVS or hybrids are costly. Is the price we pay to save on gas and have a fun jeep. Lol
@@mcwendel8066 I got $3750(goes up to 7K) but I think it varies by state and income
I've REALLY loved my 4Xe experience! Had a 2021 Sahara 4Xe...loved it. Absolutely no issues. Upgraded to a 2023 Rubicon 4Xe. Got the $7500 Fed credit plus $1500 state credit immediately by leasing, which lowers the overall price if/when I decide to buy. Had one big issue early on, but Jeep went out of their way to take care of it very quickly and upgraded my warranty to address any future concerns. Installed a level 2 charger at home, so I'm good with a full charge in just over 2 hours. YES...having the PHEV has taught me that the charging infrastructure needs a LOT of improvement before I'd consider a fully electric vehicle - thank goodness I've got the ICE as well! Ben...I think the BEST combination would be to have a 4Xe AND a 392! You KNOW you would want to drive the 392 all the time, but when you're tired of paying a fortune to fill it up...drive around on some electric power for a while...
What’s ICE?
@@steware Internal Combustion Engine
Taxpayers are tired of paying for this green bullshit. They need to end subsidies. If you like it, then buy with your own money.
Bought a '21 Grand Cherokee V6 Trailhawk new in Feb. 2021 for $42.5k (MSRP $48.9k). Now these are only available in 4XE and will set you back almost $70k. I feel very fortunate to buy when I did. I realize the new ones are nicer but I have a lot more confidence in the reliability of the one I bought.
I would get the 4XE, but in Connecticut after you factor in Eversource's "delivery charge" our rates are about $0.37 per kWh. If I did my calculations correctly, with our electric rates it's actually more per mile to run off electric than gas in CT.
Around where I live in the Midwest these are extremely popular. I see more and more every day. Especially the high altitude trim
Midwest here. I want high altitude.
i was deciding on a 2024 jeep wrangler sahara gas or the 4xe but ended up placing an order the the gas…. basically too costly and to much inconvenience with charging and getting only 22 miles electric range…. the 4xe is about $8,500 more and i will need to install the fast charger for about $1,500…. i’m both fortunate to make good enough money but unfortunate to qualify for any tax rebate and only way get get the $7,500 is thru leasing/finance but i’m paying all cash…. i drive only about 11k miles per year…. i’ll drive the gas now and wait a few more years when the price comes down more and the tech gets more perfected…
How is the number 1 selling PHEV on the market a sales flop? Also, how does this clickbait king have 256K subscribers?
Completely disagree with your take on charging infrastructure for this vehicle. Frankly it’s irrelevant on a vehicle with only level 2, no one is waiting over two hours to continue their journey for only 21 miles of range. I own a PHEV Outlander and have only used the DC fast charging a few times and it’s only 20 minutes to charge. The whole idea behind PHEV is to do the daily errands/ trip to work and plug in at night. Are you sitting around waiting 12 hours?
I bought a 2023 4xe. Over the winter (I’m in Albuquerque where lows are in 20's highs around 40*) and I would get 20 miles in electric only. Now at the end of May I consistently get 27 miles on a charge. I have a level two charger and I never need the gas engine but I do run the gas motor purposely every week. 3000 miles and only a half tank of gas used. Electricity cost is .08 cents per kWh a fully charged battery is $1 from empty. I spend $150 a month less on gas/electric than before. I know I only have 3000 miles on it but it has been an excellent vehicle.
At work I know four people that love there 4XE. One had the death wobble which was fixed under warranty. They seem very happy with there Jeep
8:45 - We’ve run several polls in the Jeep 4XE Fans group. While there are people that have issues, the percentage of people is somewhat low. We hear a lot of stories because there are just so many of these on the road. People who have issues will say something about their experience where those of us that have no issues don’t make posts saying “My Jeep is running great.”
I think the 4Xe is a great idea and I would consider buying one if they could get more than 22 miles on a full charge. I know it's not a full electric vehicle and I don't expect 200 miles on a small battery but 35 or 40 miles on full battery mode would get most people to and from work just on the battery and if they are more than 50 miles from work maybe they can top off the battery before they head home.
On a 1600 mile excursion I did on my 4XE Rubicon, 260 miles of the 1600 were 100% full electric, only 75 miles were from charge ups, the rest came from max Regen. My average MPG for entire trip was average 26MPG which for all terrain 33’s is quite impressive.
Yes, they need to up that to at least 32 mile range!
You can buy The Toyota Rav-4 Prime or The Lexus 450h; Plug in Hybrid. They both get 40 miles on a full EV Battery Charge and 36 MPG on gas. The downside is, they're much smaller in size than the Wrangler and Grand Cherokee 4XE.
What’s the cost of battery replacement and how much does it cost to fully charge?
I rented one of these in Hawaii this past week and I loved it! Lots of power and great gas mileage. I tried charging it at my VRBO, but I blew a breaker the second night and thought I better not do that any more. I would buy one of these if I were in the market for a new vehicle...
I think your point about price is spot on. Plus considering how short a distance you can travel in electric only.
What do you mean by "flop" exactly? 38% of Wranglers sold in Q1 2023 were 4xe's, and it's consistently been the #1 selling PHEV on the US market.
They are doing well in some markets and not well in other markets
@@BenHardyCars lol... the auto market is the auto market. The shits are selling like hot cakes
@@BenHardyCars yet overall, i.e. across the different regions - on a national scale - this vehicle has not been a flop, but a hit.
@@BenHardyCars You could say the same about any vehicle that's available on multiple markets. It's ok though, we all know that the real reason you said "flop" is because negative and controversial videos get more views.
I'm in Illinois and it's hard to even find a 4xe Wrangler on dealer lots in some places. Of the Jeep dealers by me two of the dealers don't have any 4xe's on their lots. There are several stores any hospitals that have public charging though.
I have a 2021 Grand Cherokee SRT which i absolutely LOVE. there is nothing that appeals to me in the newest lineup. 4xe is something that nobody asked for or wanted. In Canada its around several thousand dollars more to upgrade to. Whats the point ? What gas am i saving if im having to fork over a big chunk of change right off the bat ? If they made à Trackhawk with the Hellcat engine in the newest body style id be buying it tomorrow
I drive about 25 miles a day. Assuming I don't find a recharge I have 20 petroleum free miles. I will drive about 900-1000 miles before filling up unless FORM is activated. Gas alone I average about 18.5 mpg. So I do my 25 miles and charge at home. Therefore that is about 200ish gas +800ish zap. My electric bill went up about $20 a month. I literally fill once a month unless I have a trip or need to burn off the FORM. If I can get 50 mile electric range it would be perfect (for me).
Price? Expensive for a Jeep, yep. Are you really comparing a Niro with a Wrangler? My Rubicon 4xe was cheaper than normal Rubicon because of the tax credit. If you cannot take of the advantage of tax credit because of financial limitations or the preferred manner that you file either you may need to evaluate your vehicle choice or lease it. Leasing automatically gets the full credit because you are NOT the owner of the vehicle, the financer is.
Finally, the 4xe with the proper easy settings is a beast and only bested by the 392. I pulled an F150 out of a rut. The torque is lovely oh and INSTANT. I has not forgotten it is still a Wrangler but it is not a simple vehicle anymore.
Sorry dude, though the 4xe had some 'teething' problems (mine is a 1st run 2021) since its release in March of 21. Mine was built and bought in May. AND YES lots of updates and changes but that is expected of an early adopter. It has been the most useful and mostly issueless. It is not perfect but I knew what I was getting into. IT is NOT for everyone. This animal has been a sales success.
2025 the main rumors is that a redesigned support structure for battery (raising floor and putting the battery outside for emergency hydrogen relief venting?), larger battery (range?), and minor cosmetics.
2028, Wrangler split into to lines similar to JK and JKU split early on. The split will be J'x' (JM maybe?) and EJ for full electric; however, it will still have a range extender engine much like the forthcoming Ramcharger. The accessories and options are expected to be interchangeable and except cosmetics, the two should be near twins. Though it has been noted that there may be ONLY the EJ (which I am not sure the community will appreciate nor accept).
Sorry for the rant but I have to respectfully disagree with you. I am sorry I had not seen this video earlier.
Yes, the 4xE is such a flop that I just bought TWO Sahara 4xEs last month for my wife and I. I shopped around and looked at every PHEV on the market and the Wrangler won hands down. Daily driving on just electric? Check. Smooth hybrid experience with no lag between electric assist and gas? Check. Perfect as an off-road vehicle or a mall crawler? Check. I encourage anyone on the fence to go test drive and use all 3 of the modes in both city and highway traffic (and maybe a bumpy dirt road if you can find one!) They are great.
These are wildly popular here in southern CA. Just got a rubicon 4xE and now I’m looking at getting a grand Cherokee 4xE
I'm in northern Cali and I rarely see these things.
That’s why they will keep building them for Cali dealers
@@BenHardyCars I commented before you mentioned that which makes sense why dealers have 40-90 of each grand Cherokee 4xE and wrangler 4xE models
Same here. Huntington Beach
I live in Northern California and the Jeep 4Xe don't sell well at all. I think the basic problem is the cost of the Jeep. They are just not worth the asking and/or marked up price. The V6 sells well. Very informative video. Thanks Ben!
I think the old e-torque had that mild hybrid and was essentially free. By making it a distinct model, they tried to create a market where one did not necessarily exist. A market of an expensive vehicle that is available on top of n already expensive vehicle.
the incentives and tax credits up front bring a 62k jeep to 47k so i dont understand all the price issues ..it ends up being very affordable
It's just a learning curve. Turn off regen unless your driving down long hilly terrain using your brakes constantly. When you push on ignition. immediately press economy mode button every time, because E-power will stay at around 95%. The Jeep is learning the most efficient way to drive. When updates come the vehicle rides smoother and smoother, and you hear the engine less and less. It's the most fuel efficient vehicle we own. It has more power than they are releasing at present, an so, when battery tech improves, so will the power and fuel economy. Some days it feels like we are hurdling through space and time.... Now when the MAGNETO comes!
I have a Trailhawk 4xe... only thing I have hated about it is I had that Trailhawk front end clunk for about 4 months... after it was resolved and remains fine then Ill be pretty happy with my 4xe. I have some videos I made comparing the V6 vs V8 vs 4xe 0-60's and the 4xe does haul some ass. But I agree the PHEV is a specific customer based powertrain... if you don't work within its electric range, limited charging at home capabilities and expect "hybrid" mileage, you might have to reconsider.
Yeah its really a half baked idea. 25 miles on a charge is a joke. And then you will need to pay for a fast charger in your garage. No thanks.
Yeah the reason why is that Jeep prices have gone thru the roof. The Durango 392 cost less than a 392 wrangler. Why?
I work at a Stellantis dealership and our lot is packed with Jeep 4XE models that we cannot move. Very few people are interested in these models in our area.
The 4 cylinder is what turned me away from the 4xe I prefer V6 engines so I think the hurricane engine in Jeeps are a good idea
absolutley hate 4 cyl engines but i must say this one is great and combined with the hybrid i was down right shocked at the performance and sprint of this jeep .the 3.6 does not hold a candle to this powrtrain ....
I build these and I could not figure out for the life of me why, I kept telling co workers " either I want to plug it in or put gas in it but not both ' not sure why our engineers could not figure out how to charge the battery using the engine like Ford did with the hybrid fusions I had one for a rental car and that thing was awesome the 4xe makes no sense to me but that's what happens when you have a French company running your designs if the French knew how to build cars they would have been in the U.S. car market a long time ago and not had to buy there way in with the purchase of Chrysler things I've seen them do makes no sense to me they need to start listening to consumers if there going to succeed.
Kind of funny that how AMC got taken over by Renault, which ended up getting bought by Chrysler, which got taken on by Daimler, which got taken over by Fiat, which got taken back by the French with Stellantis, just one big decades long circle that’s probably going to kill a another American car company. Which sucks since my family’s been buying Dodges and Rams for a long time.
I have a '23 Willys edition. You absolutely can charge the HV battery with the engine, so I am not sure where you got your information, especially since you say you build them.
@@SilverFoxCooking
Also….. what is he talking about?
The plug in hybrid is the way to go …. One or the other? What?
4xe biggest problems are price and competitiveness with other PHEVs. The range isn't terrible but it's not great, and the mpg outside of pure electric is actually really bad compared to other PHEVs. It might be an improvement over other jeeps but that's not saying much.
Also a kia niro phev is more like 35k, not 40. Most PHEVs are unfortunately not in good supply so are getting dealer markups still, outside of the 4xe. Stealerships ruining something else, surprise surprise.
I'm considering a GC 4xe and am trying to understand why they're sitting on the lots for so long. I rented one and really felt like a fine, perfectly capable, mid-size SUV that worked well in snow. This is my first time driving a PHEV, and I realize the range is pretty low, and the engine sounds very weak, felt like it met my expectations. My Charger 392 is amazing, but the MPG is ridiculously bad, I've got a heavy foot, but to hear and feel the power of the engine is magical. Ideally I'd keep both, but isn't doable at this point.
So, why should I avoid the 4xe? Charging in my area is not a problem, so that isn't an issue. Electric range is enough to get to work, and then charge while I work and drive home and charge overnight.
Just left the dealer and watch 3 4XE deals done. In California these are moving fast. By the way...i went to buy my lease out and got an appraisal... 62k....
Wife is looking at the 4xe. Lease with rebates seems like the way to go. I see new 2022's still on lots.
The deals is even better now. I got one for 499
If you lease, Chrysler capital passes the $7500 on directly to the consumer. It doesn't matter what you make. You get the instant rebate from FCA before you even leave the lot.
I have both a wrangler and a gladiator. The problem I have with the 4xe is the ~$15k added to the sticker price. Not only that but my home state is part of the interstate climate compact so that means that dealers cannot sell 2 door wranglers or 2024 gladiators right now. A $55k gladiator is going to be $70k with the 4xe. That's going to turn away a lot of customers. In the mid sized truck market Jeep needs to really distinguish itself. On top of it all Jeep does their special colors in these tiny little ordering windows. Sleep too late one morning and you can't the Jeep in the special new color. There's so many things that they need to improve but they won't and just jacking up the price is going to kill the brand.
I have over 50,000 miles on my 2021 4xe and enjoy it. The charging infrastructure is more there than you realize. Once you know what chargers locally to depend on and what apps to use, it seriously isn’t that bad. Also one of my previous cars was a Bmw i3, so I have been utilizing public charging for years before the 4xe was released. As far as the reliability, all but 1 issue I have had with my Jeep are because of the absolute garbage 2.0t engine that’s in it. Jeep should have used the v6 in it. Please get your facts straight before spreading misinformation.
The lease payments are insanely low on the 4xe with the tax
credits.
I have a 2022 Kia Sorento SUV PHEV. If you want to take advantage of the electric feature then it should be plugged in every day! I plug it into a 220V outlet in my garage only and have never tried to find and outside charger. If I just drive six miles I'll plug it in for the full charge on return! Eighty percent or more of my driving is under 32 miles which the battery is rated for and I take advantage of this. I currently have averaged 86 mpg in the past 6082 miles and I haven't filled up in seven weeks. If you want the best MPG then you have to take advantage of this feature like I do.
question....how do you feel about the eco diesel that has power and fuel economy....
I have a 2021 Wrangler EcoDiesel. I love it. I have 55,000 miles on it and no issues. I almost idle up hills in 4L offroad and have no tire spin. In 4H it is about the same. Many times I don't even go to 4L unless I am going down a steep incline. On the highway in 2H I hardly get a downshift below 7th. If I am on a long steep mountain grade I may get down to 6th gear but never lower. My only concern is what about 5 or 10 years out. Will I be able to get parts? But no regrets here. By the way, I get about 22 mpg in the course of a year.
There was a major recall on the 4xe. I had to drop my turd Ram 1500 eco diesel at the dealership. There was a tow truck operator that dropped off a 4xe jeep, he said it was the second he dropped off that week and a bunch a few weeks. Jeep's reliability scare me.
I think these are really cool. but there are a lot of new moving parts. Not sure how this will do in the long term
I totally agree with your analysis. In rural Canada, the 4xEs are not selling and sitting on dealers’ lots because of a combination of questionable reliability, poor plug-in infrastructure and the significant price difference ($10,000) between the V6 and hybrid models. I would only buy one if the price gap was greatly reduced between the V6 and 4xE.
In my city, these stupid things sell for a whopping $55,000. Nope, not interested at all. And the reliability is CRAP.
I live near Vancouver, BC, and I have a 22' 4xe Rubicon. I fill my gas only when I go off roading. Everywhere I go in the city I use electric or hybrid. It is good for me.
The reason why it is not selling as much as in the US is purely because the rebate is not as much as in the US.
Also, FYI, I have it lifted and runs 37s... I went to whipsaw trail, jeepalooza, and have earned many infamous BC pinstripes.
I have a KIA Sorento PHEV with 32 electric range and have never used any other plug-in except my 220v in the garage. I charge it every day and if going on longer trips I'll put it in hybrid mode...
I want the hurricane i-6 but have been told it's not available for 2024 gladiator.
What I read online that the 4xe was the best selling plug in hybrid in America and it's 40% of all jeep sales. Im I wrong ? Or Ben does't know what he's talking about ? I agree that it's overpriced for what it is just like any other jeep or truck, but with the federal tax credit of 7500 and state credit of 3000 dollars thats a 10500 dollars off the msrp and with that while its still expensive but competative with the other models
do these 4xE's make sense? You save a gallon of gas a day 4 bucks. But you spend that charging the car for 12 hours right? Has to be close... Then with the extra 800 pounds you get only 20 mpg and I got that with the V6 usually at a min.
Stellantis doesn t know their market and they are failing terribly.
The gambled in a product that people might want. Sometimes in doing so it's a winning formula.
@@brokeboy87 they are failing this brand getting rid of Mopar and the Hemi without an immediate replacement is a fool's errand.
I purchased a GC 4xe Summit Reserve about 8-months ago. I have really enjoyed driving this powerful, luxurious, and high tech rich vehicle. I plug it in at home after every drive and always have a full charge within about 2-3 hours at the reduced charge rate. I have had a few minor issue but expected with any new production vehicle. The biggest advantage I see as an owner is quiet and efficient operation. I really enjoy being able to use all the electrical systems including HVAC on battery power only, this is a huge benefit for me. Often I have long periods of time sitting in parking lots while the kids are at soccer practice or other event and I get to sit quietly in a comfortable car in silence and not have to worry about getting home with an empty battery, just awesome. Also, reliability is expected to be better than a pure ICE vehicle, which as an engineer would seem to not make sense due to the added complexity. The truth is the engine is used under less load with the combined use of the electric motors. This increases the overall reliability, assuming the electrical systems hold up. It may be a bit longer before reliability number prove this to be true for PEHV verse ICE. Thanks for the report and opinion. Oh, and I probably would not have made this purchase without the $7,500 credit, full disclosure. The price gap does need to fall a little if you can't get the Government dollars. I don't see that happening due to the added components to build the thing.
Looking at leasing a 4xe GC now. The dealers here still have 2022s.
I have a Grand Cherokee Summit Reserve 4xE... it is incorrect when you say that "it has to be plugged in or you don't get the electric benefits".... not true. I rarely plug in and there's always electric boost at pretty much all acceleration ranges even when the battery reads
You still get the power but fuel economy will be worse
How about the Wagoneer 4xe drivetrain, with large battery > 70 kWh -- Drivetrain like in Ramcharger?
Tempted to wait for the Gladiator 4xe. PHEV is the only way to go. Tacoma's hybrid expected to be 27mpg, but even then that is too low. The PHEV for the daily commute of
Aside from Stellantis pricing Jeep and Ram completely out of reality, they sold 43,000 of them(4xe)in 2022, a respectable number.
Jeep prices are too high, im waiting for the new Tacoma
I’m waiting for the 4xe Gladiator to come out
I'm confused about where you're getting data about these claims.
Was at my Dealer 2 days ago and saw a beautiful silver Wrangler with 20" tires and when I noticed it was a 4XE I decided nope not for me, if it had the 6 cyl. I would have bought it. Read much about it when I got home and instinct says stay away. I could get a great deal as I'm friends with the owner but that's not enuff to sway me.
My boss is using one right now as a rental and he said he is not impressed.
I’m not sure I agree…but I am not a car enthusiast, I tend to purchase a used car and maintain it for 12 to 13 years.
I will drive a car until it dies. So my opinion really doesn’t matter.
But, I have loved and always wanted a Jeep. Since I am a healthcare traveler from the south, currently working, just outside of San Francisco, California, I would love a hybrid vehicle, because the places I’m living in don’t have the ability for me to plug in an electric car.
I haven’t seen the sales of 4XE go down here in California, but I am definitely hoping that the sales go down so that the prices go down.
I can see how cells can kind of drop off a little for jeeps, because they are very expensive. You can get other cars, the same or much less, that isn’t such a novelty vehicle.
Paying $66,000 for a hybrid vehicle is a lot of money during this recession.
I may be a healthcare traveler, but during Covid a lot of us, lost our jobs. A lot of us ate through our savings, and got stuck with low pay jobs after Covid, because a lot of these companies, don’t want to pay healthcare workers.
Hey, if the sales drops for the four XE, I’d say keep dropping.
I’m in my 50s, and I want to be able to drive my dream car before my life ends.
And a jeep wrangler Sahara 4 XE in cobalt blue, is just what my old butt wants for her dying wish.
So please, please let the sales drop so the price is drop and I can get my dream car next year.
I could get it now, but I hate that. I need the price to be at a point where I can justify making a car payment for the next four years.
Jeep's powertrain lineup is weak. In a Grand Cherokee, I wouldn't want the underpowered overworked V6, you can't get the V8 (try to find a V8 or build one, you can't) and don't want to pay for a plug-in hybrid. = no sale.
In NY their taking 14k of price in incentives right now looking at a willy 4xe never had electric not even a fan but they dont even have gas ones and with the incentives the 4xe is cheaper. Not for nothing there is more power from the 4xe then the v6
Love my Sahara 4Xe bought for 62k July 2022. Now I can get a 2024 same model plus the new bigger entertainment screen for 49-50k. I guess I should have bought a Toyota if I wanted it to hold on to any value. 🤷🏼♂️
If they made a L 4xe I would consider it. But the grand Cherokee’s are just too expensive compared to other 3 rows
Hey Ben, Apparently you were the only person that does not know that the Wrangler 4xe is the best selling PHEV in the USA.
It was an absurdly expensive hybrid with walking distance electric power. They would have sold more in lower trim levels.
And you didn't even mention the explosions. Jeep currently says to park them away from anything you don't want burned, until they find a solution.
Jeeps are too expensive. Bet they would sell more if they drop the prices
There's is a bit of anti 4xe/PHEV mythology in this video.
One thing for sure is the $7,500+ tax incentive made Jeep price these vehicles higher than they should have.
The Rubicon 4xe has a mark-up, but the Rubicon was already a marked up trim, the Sahara 4xe was the same to a similarly equipped 3.6/2.0 Sahara.
A PHEV is meant to charge primarily at home, not hunting around for chargers, so if the vast majority of your driving isn't covered by the range, then it's not much financial benefit, also if gas is cheap in your area vs electric, then there might be no financial benefit to a PHEV, but we are supposed to be buying these gas guzzlers to save the planet, so the government was subsidizing them, and people rushed in, now they don't qualify for the subsidies and as expected people are not going to buy them, for rhe reasons i stated above.
The only Jeep grand Cherokees, wranglers and gladiators on the lots at the local Jeep dealer are the 4Xe. You can’t even order the ICE jeeps.
It was the top hybrid electric vehicle for sales. I don't agree with you.
Sales numbers don’t exactly say it “flopped.” It is somewhat problematic and not that efficient, on top of them all being very high priced. But I guess they have to start somewhere, right?
I completely agree with not only making the different power train options closer in cost, but they should absolutely work on fitting the hurricane engine in other vehicles besides the wagoneer. That also goes for the Gladiator, that definitely needs the hurricane engine and the 5.7 as an option 👍
I thought the 4xe sales were strong.
@@GT-43 They are. Ben doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about
I don't believe the 4xE is a flop. It may be true they are not selling as fast as Stellantis wants but that is because the buyers who wanted the early and greatest models have already purchased them. I, for one, try not to buy the first out. I wait for updates and reliability reports. Even though I live 13 miles from a gas station and a grocery store I could just about make a round trip without using a drop of gas. Even if I drive 25 miles one way on electric and drive back the 25 miles on gas that means I would likely use only about a gallon of gas for 50 miles of driving. That is pretty good mileage. Long distance drives may be another issue but most people drive their Jeep to town or off road. When I am ready for a new vehicle I would definitely look at a Jeep 4xE .
Why people keep dumping on the V6. It's good for what it is. Not everyone wants neck snapping torque.
I love hybrids but doubt I would buy the 4xe because its been so problematic, plus it needs to get more electric range. I would like to buy a willys in the 4 cylinder no hybrid.
What happened to the video talking about car manufacturers blacklisted you? Not in your videos anymore 😮💨
I never understood the point of plugin hybrids. You need gas and a charge. And since it's a "hybrid" the gas tank is smaller than the ICE counterpart.
the 2024 wrangler allready has a updated interrior
I actually heard that the 4xe is very popular and hard to find.
I think its word of mouth being negative. I'm about to order a 2024. Based on the Pinnacle minivan we bought, I want the 4xe.
the only way you get that 375 horsepower is if you are in four-wheel drive high when both electric and gas are used together for 20 miles.. that all... the 4cly is 260 hp and the electric is 160 hp... it's a turd after 20 miles.. my 6 cly jk out preforms it.. 285 hp all days long..
I didn’t buy it. Keeping my 2021 3.6L w eTorque
Just get a level 2 home charger. Gas is around $4.50/gal. It’s going to be over $5.00 soon. The real question is Why is there no standard charging stations?
Toyota has known all along that people want hybrid, not fully electric. No one else seems to be listening to the consumers.
The one thing people ignore about EVs is the crazy depreciation, the money saved at the pump is lost in the value of the car.
Even here in CA, nobody really wants them from what I’ve seen. The Jeep dealership down the street from my house got 2 of the same exact Wrangler 4xEs about six-ish months ago. One sold like 3 or 4 months ago and the other has just been sitting there with nobody buying it. It’s also one of the bright neon yellow ones so that might have something to do with it, but still, it’s been sitting there for 6 months.
I’ve got the 2024 Willy’s 4xe it’s truly amazing and I love it and it’s my 5th Jeep and since I’m not on food stamps I can buy any vehicle I may choose
I was look at a 4xe but I went with the 3.0 turbo Diesel. I really like the four jeep
I traded a 2021 Lexus GX460 for a 2021 Jeep Rubicon 4xe when gas hit five dollars a gallon.
Good information
All you say it’s what you have heard, but one and come back to update us, I’ve heard nothing but good things about them
2 main reasons: Its way too expensive and its a complicated mess.
2021 Wrangler 4xe owner here. Worst car I have ever owned. Battery pack malfunctioned and shut down on the highway, completely dead car out of nowhere with a christmas lights on the dash. It has 19,000 miles and NOTHING BUT ENGINE AND BATTERY PACK PROBLEMS. Horrific car.
Flop? It accounts for 40 percent of sold wranglers and is the #1 phev sold.
The new Jeep/Ram/Dodge all have that lousy new Uconnect5. After enduring it for only 6 months in a new 2023 Jeep Grand Cherolkee L Limited, we got rid of it and traded it back in for a new Cherokee Trailhawk with good, old Uconnect4. JD Power reduced its ratings for Dodge Ram due to the Uconnect5. I would avoid it at all costs!
Who says the market doesn't want electric????
I have driven a Prius Hybrid for over 10 years and have become accustomed to the good and not-so-good that the Prius offers. I was excited to hear that the Jeep Wrangler would be offered in a "Hybrid" model as well. It was only after I did a little research that I found that the plug-in Hybrid was not the same as the hybris system to which I was accustomed. It seems that the plug-in Hybrid is more gas OR electric power rather than the gas electric combination that I have been driving.
For that reason I will not be buying a plug-in Hybrid vehicle. It just does not meet my needs.
Maybe your upset that a little 4 has only 95 less horsepower then that big ole Hemi. It’s the most popular hybrid in the United States, so I am a bit confused at the flop deal. I think it would be a better opinion coming from you if you actually owned a 4ex. I always get a kick out of people reviewing or having detailed opinions on things they have never owned or used for extended lengths of time! Overnight charging at home while sleeping is a good option.
I live in Colorado and i have a 2023 4XE Rubicon and i wouldn’t buy any other platform, actually the 392 is the worst of them all, gas guzzler and the 4XE has as much torque and better gas Milage, not only that I drive 100% full electric around town, and got $9500 off in Tax credits between fed and state refund.
the only way you get that 375 horsepower and torque is if you are in four-wheel drive high when both electric and gas are used together for 20 miles.. that all you get 20 miles of preformance... lol..lol...... the 4cly turbo is only 260 hp and the electric is 160 hp... it's a turd after 20 miles.. I lived in Bv and silverton and Montrose co...did all the hard trails no problem in my JK 6cly... my 6 cly jk out preforms yours....it's.. 285 hp all days long.. all night.. paid 30k for it brand new in 2018( rubicon 4 door hard top) cheers
@@fredtello People really shouldn't comment about what they don't know about. Look up EV's and regeneration, or not 😂
I love my Jeep because it really handles those tough grocery trips and running to the doctor and other places around town, I get really feel that nice suspension around town getting nine mpg
14*
Yeah, over 14 mpg
And the go anywhere, through rain 🌧 sleet or snow
It's reassuring that I can obtain my Häagen-Dazs in any weather
If you are married and make over $300k combined or single and make over $150k the federal rebates are not allowed. So I didn’t buy the 4xe. Ordered a 2024 Wrabgler Willy’s with 3.6 v6 and a 6 speed manual.
Just recently bought one and live it. Currently just plugging it in overnight. However, here’s my issue. I’m moving to some apartments at the end of the month and they have an EV. Charger which is great. BUT. When I charge at home I pay 7c/kw. Blink, the EV company charge about 40c/kw!! Totally ridiculous. It works out less expensive to put the gas in and get more mileage. A pity when you want to use electric. These EV charger companies are gouging. You don’t mind double the price but not x7
Those who have fully electric don’t have the choice
Sorry x6