It seems to me that the comparison of different text, their history and their interpretation is the most natural attitude toward ancient texts we can have. If we want to understand them in their context and depth. Their sanctity its not violated!!, I think it is expanded by our efforts to understand these text with tools that are available to us. Professor Lieberman's "Tosefta Kipshuta" is one of the best examples of Talmud scholarship.
YU has a library of tapes sitting in the library that nobody has bothered to remaster or post with translations. I’ve sent both OU and RIETS emails about this issue and they’ve been non responsive. It’s embarrassing.
The issue is addressed at different levels in Rabbi Rakefet Rothkoffs Biography and collection of Drasha and lecture excerpts Two Volumes Ktav Publishing. Your issue is also addressed in Bernard Revel Builder of American Jewish Orthodoxy, with an Attempt to merge JTS with RIETS, with JTS running the college part. There were those at JTS that refused to forfeit their abilities to conduct weddings and divorces. At that time many of the teachers and Rabbanim at JTS , were from some European Rabbinic Dynasties..but the books address the respect that the Rav had for his knowledge base, but did not condone conservative or reform ideologies on the whole, but felt it was imperative to work with them on issues that impact all Jews regardless off affiliation. Today it’s not a battle isolated to Judaism but in America all religion is under attack, commercialized, and Socialism and Atheism are stylish with an unprecedented technological boom making Edison look like a joke. For anyone to speculate if the Ravs opinions and views would have shifted since the end of the Cold War and start of Globalization, and the pocket computer disease..is anyone’s guess. However it’s clear from many lectures...that adherence to Halacha is what has a positive influence on society, society cannot be the influence over Halacha. I for one am grateful for this lecture series. I’ve written to both the OU and RIETS pleading with them to work with a room filled with lecture tapes mostly in Yiddish sitting in the WILF campus library, and I have not been responded to.
@@TzveeZahavy Of course that was a parody and I daresay the Rav's position formulated so eloquently and passionately is quite haredi. Do you think the Rav would have taken umbrage to the following quote by his son-in-law, HaRav Aharon Lichtenstein? "Admittedly, there are classes of information, especially literary and historical, that may bear more directly and substantively upon the structure and essence of a sugya." Page 33 to www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/726221/rabbi-dr-aharon-lichtenstein/the-conceptual-approach-to-torah-learning-the-method-and-its-prospects/
Not long ago, a prominent (Orthodox) Rabbi said, "where there is a halachic will, there is a halachic way." Variations of this idea provide the context for the Rav's quote, which was normative thinking in the Conservative movement of the 60's. The later heter of the United Synagogue for driving to shul was inevitable.
Ohr Publishing I am quite certain that that quote was first made in a public forum by Blu Greenberg, and as far as I know she does not have semikha (though she indeed is married to a very prominent Orthodox rabbi who famously debated HaRav Aharon Lichtenstein in the 60s). If I recall correctly, R. Lichtenstein was at that public forum and soon after this controversial statement was made by Ms. Greenberg, he stood up and declared and said: “In other words, what you are saying is ‘Im Tirtzu, Ein Zo Halakha!”
Tzvee Zahavy I agree with you 100%, albeit I am just a Modern Orthodox Jew and certainly not a scholar neither in the classical yeshiva tradition nor do I have any formal training in academic Talmud studies. I will say that I very much enjoy studying Orthodox scholars who do incorporate academic methodologies in their learning, such as the Sridei Eish, Dr. Yuval Blankovsky and Dr. Yair Furstenberg, and in no way whatsoever have these approaches impacted my Yirat Shamayim, in fact, they have motivated me to take my studies with greater awe and diligence (and hopefully this will continue for the rest of my days).
The Rav says "if the halachah is placed EXCLUSIVELY in a historical perspective". The dagesh is on the word "exclusively".
great torah ,1 comment THE YIDDISH WITH SUBTITLES PIERCES THE HEART AND MIND
NO QUESTION THE RAV WAS THE GAON OF THE LAST CENTURY ,THANK YOU
It seems to me that the comparison of different text, their history and their interpretation is the most natural attitude toward ancient texts we can have. If we want to understand them in their context and depth. Their sanctity its not violated!!, I think it is expanded by our efforts to understand these text with tools that are available to us. Professor Lieberman's "Tosefta Kipshuta" is one of the best examples of Talmud scholarship.
I love this .... i love to hear more
@Ohr Publishing - keep these coming, please! This portion of the address was priceless. Do you have the recording of the entire address?
Here it is (all 2.75 hours):
ruclips.net/video/66phu0HwzLk/видео.html
Ohr Publishing Thank you!!!
YU has a library of tapes sitting in the library that nobody has bothered to remaster or post with translations. I’ve sent both OU and RIETS emails about this issue and they’ve been non responsive. It’s embarrassing.
This is awesome
Can you please post more English videos like this?
It seems that he meant his cousin Prof. Saul Lieberman's students.
His not his cousin
Yes the JTS
יישר כח
It seems that he was against it and his cousin Saul Lieberman!
How did the Rov react to the work of his cousin Prof. Shaul Liberman.
The issue is addressed at different levels in Rabbi Rakefet Rothkoffs Biography and collection of Drasha and lecture excerpts Two Volumes Ktav Publishing. Your issue is also addressed in Bernard Revel Builder of American Jewish Orthodoxy, with an Attempt to merge JTS with RIETS, with JTS running the college part. There were those at JTS that refused to forfeit their abilities to conduct weddings and divorces. At that time many of the teachers and Rabbanim at JTS , were from some European Rabbinic Dynasties..but the books address the respect that the Rav had for his knowledge base, but did not condone conservative or reform ideologies on the whole, but felt it was imperative to work with them on issues that impact all Jews regardless off affiliation.
Today it’s not a battle isolated to Judaism but in America all religion is under attack, commercialized, and Socialism and Atheism are stylish with an unprecedented technological boom making Edison look like a joke.
For anyone to speculate if the Ravs opinions and views would have shifted since the end of the Cold War and start of Globalization, and the pocket computer disease..is anyone’s guess. However it’s clear from many lectures...that adherence to Halacha is what has a positive influence on society, society cannot be the influence over Halacha.
I for one am grateful for this lecture series.
I’ve written to both the OU and RIETS pleading with them to work with a room filled with lecture tapes mostly in Yiddish sitting in the WILF campus library, and I have not been responded to.
"...that the halakha of גוד אסיק מחיצתא is because there was a scarcity of wood in Eretz Yisroel..."
Ouch...great quote!
@@TzveeZahavy Of course that was a parody and I daresay the Rav's position formulated so eloquently and passionately is quite haredi. Do you think the Rav would have taken umbrage to the following quote by his son-in-law, HaRav Aharon Lichtenstein?
"Admittedly, there are classes of information, especially literary and historical, that may bear more directly and substantively upon the structure and essence of a sugya." Page 33 to www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/726221/rabbi-dr-aharon-lichtenstein/the-conceptual-approach-to-torah-learning-the-method-and-its-prospects/
Not long ago, a prominent (Orthodox) Rabbi said, "where there is a halachic will, there is a halachic way." Variations of this idea provide the context for the Rav's quote, which was normative thinking in the Conservative movement of the 60's. The later heter of the United Synagogue for driving to shul was inevitable.
Ohr Publishing I am quite certain that that quote was first made in a public forum by Blu Greenberg, and as far as I know she does not have semikha (though she indeed is married to a very prominent Orthodox rabbi who famously debated HaRav Aharon Lichtenstein in the 60s). If I recall correctly, R. Lichtenstein was at that public forum and soon after this controversial statement was made by Ms. Greenberg, he stood up and declared and said: “In other words, what you are saying is ‘Im Tirtzu, Ein Zo Halakha!”
Tzvee Zahavy I agree with you 100%, albeit I am just a Modern Orthodox Jew and certainly not a scholar neither in the classical yeshiva tradition nor do I have any formal training in academic Talmud studies. I will say that I very much enjoy studying Orthodox scholars who do incorporate academic methodologies in their learning, such as the Sridei Eish, Dr. Yuval Blankovsky and Dr. Yair Furstenberg, and in no way whatsoever have these approaches impacted my Yirat Shamayim, in fact, they have motivated me to take my studies with greater awe and diligence (and hopefully this will continue for the rest of my days).
@@davideisen143 : Rav Aharon is said to have riffed on ‘Im Tirtzu, Ein Zo Agada!’”, and said ‘Im Tirtzu, Ein Zo Halacha!’”