Inside a maximum security police watch house where children are locked up | Four Corners
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2019
- Police watch houses are maximum security facilities designed to hold the most dangerous adult prisoners, but in Queensland, children as young as 10 are being locked here as well.
With exclusive access, Four Corners takes you inside the locked cells of a Queensland watch house, to see what conditions are like.
This investigation comes almost three years after Four Corners exposed shocking mistreatment in the Northern Territory’s Don Dale youth detention centre in Australia’s Shame, sparking a Royal Commission.
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The mother is acting like its the cops fault for arresting her kids, as opposed to her kid's fault for committing serious crimes.
Like why are they mad at the police when the kid clearly was being violent an unreasonable when they were being polite and understanding.
@some random guy exactly!
You can't explain HELL, it's always the victims left wondering
No! the cops choose to arrest someone
Until you have worked with these kids, you cannot pass judgement. You see them looking vulnerable in poor living conditions, you do not see them out of control and destroying their own lives as well as the lives of others. There is a lot that goes on before these kids end up here, they’re given hundreds of chances and so much help, sometimes places like this are the only option. If you think you can change these kids, take them to your house.
Actually we can pass judgement
Pamela Hardy aCtUaLlY wE cAn pAsS jUdGmEnT... did you even read and think about this comment?
My family does foster care and you are correct.
psilocybin cubensis you and your parents definitely understand!!
@@imirockz Of course I did. It's not rocket science. A system which places humans who hold 2 opposing forces in a volatile environment is not only worth laying judgment on, but it's really quite sadistic. Have you actually thought about it? You should be looking in the mirror
This is not about kids being innocent! This is about a failure of the youth detention system to look after the kids in their care!
Yes these kids deserve to be in jail. But it should be a youth jail. and definitely not a watch house/police cell
FuNot FuMe stfu please
FuNot FuMe no they don’t act like children so they shouldn’t be treated like children.
There are three possible outcomes to this
A) the government expands the youth detention system to house all the 'people' in its care
B) the government continues to commit human rights offenses
C) the government dumps more offenders out on the street
I don't want my country to be one that gets away with human rights offenses. And I don't want the government to dump offenders on the street just because its cheaper (even if that is the main reason for parole)
And I definitely don't want the government paying out for locking kids in solitary for weeks at a time or for locking young girls in cells with sex offenders. (That's entrapment!)
How about getting educated on the facts of behaviour.
Abuse creates negative behaviour. Abuse on abuse on abuse ?! What do you think the outcomes going to be ✌️
The GOAT
Aren’t you the idiot
Watching the police response when a person being arrested has a medical emergency and they are kind and caring and get him help, makes me so glad I live in Australia
Well they were on camera, who knows is this is the normal way the react/treat people and kids they arrest as a national organisation?
that was for the camera. if the au was so great they wouldn't have this problem.
I am assuming you didn't watch the whole video. You should see the many documentaries and new articles about police brutality in Australia. It is very real and has been a problem forever. Police are people, people are individuals, individuals can be brutal. The police here are not monitored, there is no incentive to dob in other cops for being violent, rather police are encouraged to "stick up for each other". The culture allows it and therefore brutality will always slip through the cracks. See people home's security videos of cops king hitting them and then getting away with it. But right, you're probably safe as a wealthy white woman. The same does not apply to poor people or people with mental problems, addictions, history of abuse/violence.
One for the cameras I think I no they are not all bad but somehow I don't think that would have been there reaction if the cameras weren't on them the officer was reading his rights before he was even cuffed .
If the cameras weren't there,in this instance,they wouldn't have been so nice.Believe.The young fella wasn't having a medical emergency.Believe
Teenagers on Ice is quite a scary thought, as the drug affects the worldview and perception of reality to such an extent.
What amazes me is how many adults willingly sell drugs to kids, some as young as 10 😪
@@IamPINKIEDaniels They're already selling meth, you really think they have any sense of morality?
@@kurdaitcha5806 i know it seems an oxy moron but i have met dealers back in the day who were in it for the money NOT to make kids addicted.
Plenty of money to be made just in selling to adults for recreational use.
Those that sell to kids are users and abusers 😪😪
No excuse to see to kids 😪😪😪
Locking em up ain’t going to do shit
@@crimzonrayz3274 What else are you going to do let them roam the streets? Let's pray you don't become a Officer or a Jail operator.
Working there with the potential risks....couldn't pay me enough to do it.
also i wanna date you
Minimum wage
They're pervs
its that mindset that caused this problem to begin
with
I 100% guarantee you that anyone who is outraged by these kids treatment (including these ABC reporters) would quickly change their mind if it was their own house that was broken into, their own car stolen or one of their own family members assaulted by one of these thugs. If you feel sorry for them you've never experienced what its like to be a victim of crime.
You can sympathise with both. What happened to victims of these crimes is horrible. But the way they're dealing with it breeds more crime therefore more victims.
If an 11yr old wants to commit adult offences then they deserve to go wherever there is room to fit them. If they want to be big and tough..let them be big and tough in there! I’m not outraged, there are too many snowflakes trying to justify their behaviour and yes it comes down to parenting. Unfortunately most of these children will have no hope in life and will end up inside for long periods of time. The laws need to be tougher and they need to start targeting the parents, any Centrelink benefits they are on need to be stopped or reduced, give it to the victims. Some of these kids were born for meal tickets as bad as that sounds, so the parents need to be penalised for bad parenting.
Psychologist/ Behavorirol specialists should be employed in the watch house for children and absolutely be separated from adults,,,,
Nobody wants to do it. Specialist don't want to do night shifts. Plus they won't deal with them aggressive.
A lot of comments supporting the poor little darlings, where are the comments supporting the victims?
well Nelson after the 'poor little darlings' are released do you really think they will have been rehabilitated and the victims you are more concerned about, will be safer for the treatment these children, I repeat children, have been given?
You arent the brightest bulb are you?
Nelson Lay Right, smh.
@me heretoday.
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@@meheretoday6968 I would be a advocate for a system in which youth murders, rapists etc. go into the care of people like yourself. Wait until your house is broken into or a loved one is assaulted by one of these thugs.
Nelson Lay This is about young children not adults. While we all sympathise with the victims of crime it is totally inappropriate to disregard the abuse of children as a form of punishment.
It's turning into a daycare and the parents think they play no fault in the situation
That’s what happened to me, my mom was a narcissistic alcoholic who abused me. She would get me locked up all the time for being “unruly” I wasn’t and never committed a crime. She would stay out all night drinking and never wanted me home. My dad fought for me but it was too late. I spent most of my childhood locked up. I am 40 now and I am still traumatized from it. I have 2 kids and would die before I let this happen to them. They do need to take a close look at parents!
Name and shame your narcissistic mothers Margaret Lachlan
We simply don't have enough mental health support and recognition for children and adults.
Cause no one wants to do it. Everyones happy to implement ideas but nobody wants to work with them.
Why don't you?? And see what working with these youths are actually like
@@azzatee318 working with issues like this needs a state or gov base intervention. You can't just toss untrained do gooders at issues and hope it turns out well for either side
It’s so unbelivable how they treat these young kids. I work with kids and teens in Germany who grow up in difficult environments (domestic violence, drugs and so on) and I also worked on a protected ward at a department for child and adolescent psychiatry. And we never ever treated these kids like this. I would never have the idea to lock up kids. You have to work with these kids and find a way together out of difficult behavior. And they want to be a good person. Sometimes they just need someone who believes in them and show them that they are not worthless. This approaches simply inhuman.
We in New Zealand and Australia are well behind the Scandinavian and modern German way of dealing with offenders,and victims for that matter.Not alot has improved in the 60 years I have experienced around the system.
@@yyxy.oncesaid
Crime Against Humanity. Those children will have permanent psychological damage. Something needs to change, ASAP.
This is absolutely heart breaking.
Australian juvenile justice system is archaic to be generous. The staff are rude, lazy and apathetic to the residents needs. You're doing time, on their time and they move accordingly. Trust me, I know, I was there..
@@mariahewitt9787 why don't they just behave themselves? Simple!
Well go work with them then. Good luck.... trust me.
The real question is why are these kids getting into situations that lands them in court in the first place?
A 12 year old with car theft charges?
The parents/grandparents seemingly only care when the police get involved and not so much WHY the police are involved. Like that woman who said "I know my boys aren't angels."
That 12 year old being arrested by the female officers has the mouth of a sailor. If I spoke like that when I was 12...WOW!
Generational imprisonment is how Conservatives create more Conservatives. Its part of the dumbing down process. www.psypost.org/2018/06/childhood-deprivation-predicts-preferences-authoritarian-leaders-adulthood-51493
@Sharlene Bux Wait...so the reason 12 year olds steal cars is because of something that happened over 60 years ago?
The old saying is "if it 'aint broke, don't fix it."
Truth and honesty you say? How about bad parenting! Really bad parenting. That's your serving of truth and honesty.
Justin you dont know what you are talking about as usual mate...just go quiet for your own sake because at the moment you are looking pretty stupid....
@@meheretoday6968 As usual? I don't think we've met.
They don't even have to be convicted in the first place, to be detained for upward of 2 weeks, when an adult that has no conviction, legally speaking must be released in 24-48 hours unless convicted of a crime, these children haven't even been to court! Mate did you watch the same video as I or?
What a load of crap.... we've all had something in our lives that may have left a scar, it doesn't t mean we go out stealing cars and doing B&E's. The law isn't tough enough on them, that's the problem.
Bring in the American system that will sort them!!!
@Mark Griffin So Mark are you saying the American criminal justice system should be more lenient???
@@grazutissmith9647 it has a crazy high reoffending rate compared to more lenient systems.
@@CH-xq6if l know but there ABSOLUTELY needed to be something in the middle. It is APPAULING that criminals are living so comfortably!!!
@@grazutissmith9647 for the public and the criminals, these systems are the best. Lenient prisons make society safer.
Send the 17 year olds to big jails and put the kids into their place.
But I have an almost 11 year old and if he was out there stealing cars I'd kick my own arse for failing him
For these kids, they have nobody to show them right for wrong, they've been abandoned by everybody there known, they don't have parents. Yeah sure 17 yo shouldn't be there but seriously a 12 yo in a way house is not acceptable
Even being the good parent sometimes is not enough
@@Quinny33 you are right but the risk is lower
The old school aboriginal punishment was a spear to the leg. It made kids think twice before doing something stupid.
We are not getting the full picture in this story, what did these kids do to be put in the watch house in the first instance? I know one teen who continuously stole car after car, would get arrested and was out on the streets within hours. Never went to jail for it. No she wasn't rich so can rule that out. If kids weren't out roaming the streets doing adult crimes, they wouldn't be put in adult situations, am I correct?
No, you are not correct. The issue here is not that these kids are innocent but rather that the youth detention system (at least in QLD) is falling.
and there can be no good outcomes from a falling system
@@SilverMe2004 could we drop them of at your house then? Asking for a friend
@@SilverMe2004 Yeah why don't you take them in. Guarantee they will burn your house down. Those poor kids.
Yeah well, you shouldn't be afraid of doing time if committing a crime. Don't break the law and don't go to jail. See how easy it is.
That's right 👍
My sentiments exactly. Its just preparing them for adult life if they keep up with their criminal lifestyle.
Juvenile Detention Center's should be for Children Only without Adults. But can transport Horrible Inmates Adults too Juvenile Detention Center's too Scare Straight These Juvenile Delinquents..
iwas inthere when i was 14 i am now 48 it may have been hard but i come out a better person
me too were you the guy who watched people in the shower???
did they give you a good education too? "come out a better person"
but still. yes you came out a better person. but children being locked up in there as young as 10, presumably with no contact to their family's / friends. you don't find that unfair?
@i̶i̶i̶J̶x̶s̶s̶i̶c̶a̶.
You don’t have to ask the question, it’s outright abuse.
No kid needs it let alone the already damaged minority
Well done Scott. Takes a big man to admit that.
Personally I believe that the human rights of victims of crime are more important than that of law breakers and criminals.
Exactly. I don't see any of these kids worrying about the human rights of their victims ... but when they get arrested all of a sudden they are screaming about their own rights
So true. Those people who are so tender with young thugs always forget the traumatised (or dead) victims and it pisses me off
Something is wrong with this. Adults and kids being in the same correctional facility is wrong
I agree with you! This is heartbreaking.
@@kims364 these little darlings should have thought about it before they broke the law
what a fabulous bit of investigative journalism. thank you.
If someone is having a tantrum at others or being violent or disruptive, it is not unkind or bad to restrain them physically or in a padded cell.
That is good. That isn't abuse, it is good restriction and boundaries.
It always amazes me how countries can spend billions on new fighter jets but cannot build suitable detention centers for children. Andy England
Um because you need a strong military so you don't get taken over. Ask the Aboriginal peoples how a weak military went down when the Brits found Australia.
@@MarkMark-ji6ts damnnnnnn fully got emm , unpopular opinion but low key facts
30 years ago, those kids would be removed from their parents, and given a chance at education in a safe home, but now its not PC to remove aboriginal kids from families, even if they are being abused and neglected. This is the result.
And nobody ever talks about the rights of the victims of crimes.
"The longer the beast is kept locked up, the more angry the beast will be"
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crap . beasts belong in cages . behave and act with dignity , honour and creativity in society then you have no need to worry
"put the beast to sleep... permanently.. all the other beasts who witness this will turn into angels"
-common sense
How about this lady adopt all these kids and show them some love
exactly :)) all of them
How about you?
@@NxDoyle I am not for adoption thank you
I'd like to hear from some of their victims
And?
The ABC has an agenda and most ABC viewers swallow it all completely. Can't people tell when they're being sold something?
@Real Eyes
Your an idiot
No one is being sold anything. Systems like these create repeat offenders. Punishment is not even close to being as effective as rehabilitation
@Not my first name.
Correct
why can't the government build security facilities for children only, instead of putting so much money into Weapons for War?
its just not good enough.
Qld state premier prefers having that money in her pocket. She doesn't care about the people but herself
What a smart cookie. Fake a seizure and get a nice comfy bed at the hospital for a few hours/night before you head to jail. One last good meal, nice comfy bed, and some TV. Smart lad he is.
Idiot
How do you know It was fake were you there - Idiot.
@casperblackcat1975.
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Wait, 'good meal'? What hospitals do you go to?
@@SilverMe2004 LMAO got me there!
Wait a minute. .kids are putting themselves in this position. .ffs
They don't act like children so why treat them like one.
What a stupid comment
wow ! may be they never got to be children you know??? like had to grow up fast ??? just to survive...maybe
wow! maybe they never got to be children you know?? maybe had to grow up fast just to survive you know?? going by the eye in seebeyondu it hasn't seen much we are dealt the cards given
Its inhumane treatment knowone should be subjected to. Maybe a third world country would suit you better. And with that comment you sound like you probly have abused someone and justified it with that comment.
sky light inhuman? Sorry but u can’t exactly have them put in hotel rooms and be waited on hand and foot. The kids are not innocent like they are shown to be in this video. As a young Australian myself I can tell you that I personally know some people in my school who I would almost be happy to go to a place like this. Not for personal gain but because they get way too many chances before actually getting into any trouble. At my school students basically can deal drugs in front of the teachers and they don’t get into any trouble and yet another girl can wag one class and will be suspended. It’s not just at school, I’ve seen students from my school stealing and assaulting workers at the shops, stabbing other students, monthly fights and the actual well behaved students be followed home from school or to their work place and harassed, they even used to go to a kids home in the middle of the night and yell outside of his purse and throw rocks at his house (that’s only all I’ve heard about tbh I go to the opposite side of the school so there’s probably more). Think about the two kids who broke into a car yard and did millions of dollars of damage, what did they get? Nothing (I can’t remember the actual cost but it was a LOT). Believe it or not the kids ARE old enough to tell right from wrong and are not stupid, they know what they are doing and if they don’t then yes they do need mental help, but I can tell u right now all the kids I know fully know what they are doing and are just little shits. But I would like to see them look into the parents more because you can tell they’ve learned it from somebody....
The people criticizing the incarceration have no solutions to the problem. But I do. They should take one of these little darlings home with them for a couple of weeks. Perhaps then they would understand why they are being locked up.
The solution is simple: Treat prisoners humanely. The loss of freedom of movement is enough of a punishment. Inhumane treatment leads to recidivism. They have been treating prisoners humanely for a long time in the Netherlands, and they have the world's lowest crime rate and the lowest recidivism rate as well. The solution is so simple and obvious if you actually care to look.
If you treat people like trash and don't priorities rehabilitation you're setting them up as career criminals. Robert is right, the EU has a much better prison system. Much lower rate of re-offending compared to our for profit American-esque prison system. People have solutions, you're just ignorant.
imagine these kids growing up in the 60's or 70's HOLY CRAP would they struggle
A good caning across the hands never hurt anyone. That’s the way we Gen Xers were raised.
You gotta love how they cover up the shit they do by ending the show, police are helping 2 Coloured kids and giving them a ride back home rather then a watch house,
It shows that there is hope!
Ah it did show that they were taking the kids home not to a watch house
Gotta love how there's always someone immediately bringing up race instead of asking why these kids were committing crimes in the first place. Always someone elses fault.
@@Westhamsterdam Oh wow, it just shows that you are admitting what they doing is wrong!! but HOPFULLY it will change?
@@brookebickley6873 I bet if you were there YOU would have taken them to the watch house would'nt you?
This female saying these kids have never felt safe dont think about when these kids are out and about other innocent ppl aint safe either so that dont justify these crims
@tsfcancerman.
Ridiculous comment
*crimes*
No one is justifyimg there crimes you totally ignorant hardarsed ignoramus.
Its good to see nothing has changed in Australia in the past 300 years. Good stuff mates
🤔 except that Australia didn’t exist 300 years ago.
@@johncallahan2490 don’t matter wear he’s from he’s right. Your all still constitutional criminals 😊
Perhaps investigate HOW these young souls are so tormented in the first place???
How about take a look at these kid's upbringing / care takers?
Slapping a bandaid over a bullet hole doesn't cure the real issue...
This treatment of children is equivalent to SRA.
Lack of corporeal punishment as kids. Is the creation of monsters... monsters that think they can do what they like whenever they want to whomever they feel.
@billipine fred I think you need some time in the hole with a mouth & a brain like that! A hiding is not a PUNCH in the face. What a joke. You are a Prime example of what is wrong with society today, honestly. How old are you? My public opinion stands.
Omg🤣 maybe its because woman now want to work all day and not look after kids... many factors, upset the balance. But everyone has a choice, every choice has an cause and effect. Not everyone makes it. That goes for all gods living creatures. Only the best Gene's are supposed to make it.
Not a punch in the face. Any normal person should know what a good hiding is. U cant discipline at 10 or 16. FYI that boat has sailed already. Molding years are between 0 & 6 y.o.a for those of you who are confused.
honestly, I dont have feel the need further engage with a violent person such like yourself. You should be band from this platform.
The lesson is that if you’re not a nuisance to society in the first place you won’t be placed in any cells of any form
The problem is the government took away the rights for parents to discipline kids and make both parents work, which leaves no one at home to keep these little thugs in line. We have to have a town meeting where I live to stop these kids from stealing and burning out cars and roaming streets and fighting all hours if the night. Good hard working people will get sick them and start taking things into their own hands eventually. Send them to hardcore boot camps.
The government never removed parents rights to discipline their children. Both of my parents worked and that was 30 years ago. One parent would be home soon after I finished school and the other worked afternoon shift. It seems more likely that some parents simply can't, won't or don't take any responsibility for raising and disciplining their children.
Not being able spank your child doesn't turn them into violent criminals. If that were the case, the whole country would be overwhelmed with out of control kids.
These kids are usually from families who don't really give a shit what happens to them, or they have been abused or suffer from mental illness.
There is always an underlying reason, and hard jail time is not the answer.
Are you serious? My parents were never home when I was a kid, they would leave for work at 6am and be home from work at 6pm. Hard working parents are not the cause of this, it’s parents who don’t give a shit about their children and/or abuse their children that are at fault and these parents tend to be the ones that don’t work anyway and rely on the government for money.
How about.. don't break the law!
36:10 *"A female was mistakenly put in a cell with two alleged sex offenders"* This explains everything
This has been happening by design in some prisons in the UK where males convicted of sex offenses have... Yup, you guessed it, "identified" as female. They have been moved to the female prisons and... Who'd'a thunk it - gone on to rpe and assault the women who can't identify their way out of this human rights shit show.
People should watch more videos about what those criminals have done.
Same as what your son done..try to get money
People should educate themselves on the effects of trauma on the brain especially in young children, 10-year-olds, out in the middle of the night committing crimes, these parents need to be help culpable of their behavior, these children suffer from extreme violence in the home, neglect, sexual abuse and society expect them to act in a normal way, that's how humans work sorry to say, and society thinks locking these kids up just fixes the problem. Of course we should think of the victims of crime but addressing the reasons why crimes are committed helps prevent more victims of crime. Fixing the damaged system of child safety and mental health would be a good start.
These kids have way too many rights. The victims get less.
Di Farmer seems like such a caring loving woman. Glad she's the minister for CHILD SAFETY
Does she have kids?
Don’t commit crime & you won’t end up at the Watchhouse, that’s there own Fault as they definitely know what’s right & wrong
The reporters should give these kids a room at their own home if they are so concerned about them
i dont see the problem here. they are 12 acting like adults , im 24 years of age and i have not swore as much in my 24 years of life like some of these kids are swearing just for 1 min of a video of some of these kids
Regardless of how they ACT THEY ARE STILL FECKING CHILDREN!!
A bit hard core on the comments from those opposed to keeping criminals in the watch house. It’s not as bad as it sounds. Forget about the crimes that these alleged criminals have done.
Your thinking like a American think like a European! Europeans are intelligent you like Europe everyone does
Thank you, ABC, for shedding some light on these horrible practices. I’m not from Australia, I’m from America, but we have the same problems here.
To think that there are children who are being put in isolation is just despicable- jail is the most horrible place. Putting literal children in there is not helping the situation, it’s not helping them, and it’s not helping us. I guarantee you it does nothing to help reform the child and deter bad behavior; it exacerbates it. Whatever issues they were dealing with before they went in are now 10 times worse. It worsens their anxiety. It further cements the thought in their little brains that they can’t trust anyone. If adults came become institutionalized, then why are we to expect children can’t? That wasn’t brought up one time.
These children need HELP. It’s so, so, so sad to me in this day in age we are doing this. All the research that’s been done and studies that have been conducted show this does not work. Why are we still doing it? How can we possibly be okay with neglecting our children?
And no I'm sorry but 14 year olds have been put in watchouses for simply running away from the police, all they had done was abscond I should know I grew up with some of these kids
do the crime, do the time. this lady is saying "they never felt love", well cry me a river! these kids are stealing cars and committing armed robbery wtf?
Who would you rather have as a future neighboor? The guy who has been in isolation for the last couple of months, and has become mentally traumatized. Or the guy who has been through a resoicialisation program, and has got an education?
Yeah "kids" you aren't talking about freaking Pokemon card wielding middle-class private school kids, we're talking Hardened eshays with knives.
The Minister for Children's Safety in Australia should be fired and be forced to see what it's like to live in one of those isolation cells. I cannot believe that she actually thinks children with mental issues and disabilities, if the police say they should be there or that they did commit a crime than they should be in a watch-house. So very sad for a country that prides themselves on being so "safe"...
It’s shocking to think the crimes of these youth warrants imprisonment of this nature and level. Serious implications for any possibility of rehabilitation and the wellbeing of young offenders
As someone who spent time in the juvenile justice system i can say that these people are full of shit. I was 14 when i was arrested and my arresting officer beat the piss out of me with a phone book. I spent a few months inside for my crimes, every punishment i endured was a direct consequence of my actions. Stop wrapping these kids up in cotton wool and start teaching them the consequences of their actions
couldnt agree with you more.. this society tries to blame everybody else.. and trying to coddle kids... look at asian cultures... they have good discipline and teach these kids that there is consequences for their actions.. and then western countries complain that kids from asian countries "take all the higher intelligence jobs" its a long stream of failure of this western thinking "these poor kids need love" wtf! they need "tough love"... thats how they learn.. thats exactly how i learnt! and thats how i stayed out of crime coz i was taught at a very young age.. and am now happy and successful.. not broken like these kids..
You missed the point and anyone can end up in that watch house for 3 - 5 days. You could be a witness to a crime and end up in there for missing court due to paperwork mix ups. You are there til a judge can see you. The most innocent person ever can end up in the thick of that place with no chance of seeing a judge for days.
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If they want to go out and commit crime what is the issue they know right from wrong and know where they could end up so tough shit live a clean life and study well at school
Aren’t you a genius?
@@DM-it1qf why thank you, did it take 1 of the last remaining brain cells for your amazing reply .
@@paulmccumisky5968 The last two, actually.
Alot of this could have been prevented with a) better parenting b) better education c) better health system, especially family mental health d) better policing e) a generally better society.
You're a genius.
agreed
If they gave them a warm blanket and a warm glass of milk, their mentality would feel no persecution, and guess what no guilt means, re-offenses!
I suggest you look up the "death penalty abolishment and anti torture act 2010" then you will know that THIS IS ILLEGAL to treat even criminals like this
@@scummyjeen I agree with you! This was hard to watch, there is a lot of wrong going on here. I do not agree with isolation at all. Not for adults, definitely not for kids! This treatment is inhumane and does NOT work. You keep someone locked away 24/7 with nothing to do, no human contact for weeks, sometimes years at a time and that will drive anyone insane. It's not right. The psychological damage that is done to that person in isolation is not right. I can't even wrap my head around what isolation and the phycological damage a child would endure. It makes me angry.
Educate the kids on how to behave around authority...might be a better cause. Start some youth groups to keep them entertained.
Wow, you solved it in two sentences on RUclips! A huge contribution to a change in public policy! Why aren't you running things?
They are children, yes. But these children are more often than not, put there for some pretty heafty offenses. Let's ask the question, do they come back, are they in a revolving door program. If it's as scary as that, then they shouldn't go back. These officials need to stop deflecting accountability
OLD ENOUGH TO STEAL A CAR COMMIT FRAUD ,STEAL ,OLD ENOUGH TO ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY ,,THERE HAS TO BE FULL CONSEQUENCES .STOP GIVING IN TO THE COTTONSOFTS !
Anyone that thinks the young girl who was placed in a cell with 2 male sex offenders was an accident is stupid. Its absolutely sickening, and whoever was responsible for doing that should be sacked. Only a psychopath could do such a thing.
Simple can't do the time DON'T commit the crime they know there doing wrong.
A 12 yo? I hope your family is perfect!
Someone with a severe intellectual disability they don't know what they are doing.
How brave of you to tell 10 year olds this.
How cruel l am australian but l live in itay lam disgusted that my country has gone so bad doing that to young ones they need help not these treatment wake up australian
Hell in Frankfort USA.18 year olds commit 17 felonies n hardly will do a year or 2 over 6 arrests .we need to toughen up n send them to do some labor camps jails .work them hard.thats what they done 23 years ago when I broke laws.work well for me
Cool Hand Luke style.
if they were not little criminals, they wouldnt be in that situation, only them selves to blame!
so you are ok with using this treatment on every child, woman and man who does anything wrong in the future? oooh arent you the perfect person then lol
@me heretoday. 👍🍻
These children's behaviors are taught and condoned, from very early on at a very young age, in their homes.
The parents should be held accountable, and forced to complete parenting courses, counseling, at minimum!
Moreover, locking children up with adults can lead to far more irreparable longterm damage, caused by molestation, sodomy, sex trafficking of the children by the adult inmates inside the prisons.
Then what, they are re-released with even more issues to cope with, and higher potential to re offend.
This is false some kids are locked up for no reason but simply because there's nowhere else for them to go It also happens to disabled people, In Victoria a man was placed In jail because there was nowhere for him to go & he couldn't get the proper care he needed. When this story came to light & the conditions he was living In were released a judge ordered for his immediate released.
@casperblackcat1975.
Correct.
Abuse and how to create reoffenders
Wow... That cop putting his knee on the neck of that first kid.. Not good! Someone should tell that cop that people have died from cops doing that, and it's forbidden all across the world to put your knee on someones neck like that.
Di Farmer is not fit for purpose the woman displays zero empathy, not ideal in her position.
You're right so we think you should take them home to your place to look after. Off you go then and get your spare room ready.
She has a total lack of empathy.
Lala Most of these ppl are malignant narcissists who are all impervious to empathy. They’re nothing more than POSs.
She is a heartless soul, deluded into a false sense of security through endless beaurocracy. She deserves to be locked up in the watch house, more than any single one of them children, regardless of crime.
@@realeyes8096 Yea so lock them in solitary confinement without trial for weeks on end. You seriously think thats acceptable?
My school 0eer was in and out of jail for house breaking . As an adult he told me his life. Both parents where alcoholics who forgot to feed him, he'd break into houses and was always arrested in the kichen. He was starving . He shut up as he know no one would listen with him. He left school at 15 he worked as a labourer were he met a brick layer who recognised he needed help so he move in with the bricky and Mrs who showed him love and care the first.
It’s like what Roney Dillon said (Why are we so wrong in this country)
It’s possible because of the fact Australia is originally a criminal country, so you have generations after generations of these types of people. And then you have people like, Roney Dillon wonder ‘why are we so wrong in this country’
Well, the guy yelling f c etc in the watch house sounds like a decent fella..
Just wants to go home! Are you sure they haven´t added sound effects?
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@@Westhamsterdam don't commit crimes - consequences.....
The juvenile justice system is horrible it needs to change no one has an answer sad
Proper intervention when kids don't have proper adult supervision in the community. Proper intervention when kids have learning disabilities and/or mental health issues. Proper intervention when kids slip through the net and commit crimes. And by 'Proper intervention' I mean by trained youth and social workers with the back-up of the police (who should have adequate training in dealing with children), when and where necessary. At each of these steps you need to try to understand and address the cause of the problem. Do all that and you'll reduce crime figures. That's just a tiny part of what it takes to address a problem caused by overcrowding of youth facilities. Spend the money on that now and you'll help to stop it happening int the future
It's good to see that the treatment is actually appropriate here
It’s a bit of a blame game...
Easy to criticise the watch houses but having worked with foster kids in the docs system believe me it ain’t easy
At times it’s almost impossible...that combined with a lack of recourses and this is what you end up with.
Waaaaayy easier to talk about and criticise but unless you’ve got the recourses to do something what do you do??
I noticed after the royal commission in 2016 the nt government was given over 200 million to implement the suggestion slayed out by the commission. Doesn’t seem to be a lack of money to throw at resources just seems to be going in the wrong direction. Stinks like American policy on institution to me
I worked in the same position as U & then went on 2 work at the Detention Centre. Sadly these kids have no intention of wanting a better life 4 themselves. There main goal is 2 get into the" big boys " jail, so that's their way of proving how touch they are. Seen it & heard it myself because young ones who aren't in trouble are given the wrong impression of jail. I agree some of these kids aren't care 4 very well, but outside help needs 2 b bought in 2 help with the child & support the family.
Atrociously unfit individuals becoming parents. Implement serious measures to prevent unwanted births and this issue will sort itself out.
Hi Brad
Yup this is what should happen then you would get people up on arms . Taking your freedom away These children are the result of bad parenting. Maybe they should be put in jail not the kids
There scared of the watch house but not to scared to break into our homes or steal our cars and belongings....i call bullshit ☹️☹️☹️
Please stop thinking like Americans think like Europeans
Think about how you’d feel if your daughter ended up in here suspect you wouldn’t give a rats
There's no way that anyone under the age of 18yrs of age should be placed into a maximum security watch house, it's not right these are only kid's
21*
This is eye opening
Wow grown men in uniforms stripping kids is bad enough but that's not humiliating enough they gotta be filmed too by complete strangers... Personally I'm sure cameras are used so the staff don't go cross the line it's keeps them accountable. Still not rite but what a dilemma. My heart goes out to all affected..
The criminal age of culpability should be LOWERED, not raised, in Australia. These TEENAGERS (not "children") are exploiting loopholes in the law and the good nature of most Australians whom they victimize. Bad eggs are bad eggs, they belong in prison, for community and victim safety. If you don't want to live a good life, at any age, why should you be free?
I see so many people on here saying don't lock these kids in cages and i agree.
bring back national service instead of locking them up.
Let's be honest here, they're not here for singing too loud in church.
They may be children but they are serious offenders.
Has anyone ever thought that if the kids are put in these hard jails it might wake them up these.kids.get a slap on the wrist and keep going and never learn
No, because any one with any sort of knowledge knows that 1. When a child commits a crime or is acting violent in the majority of cases they have been abused and/or are very ill 2. Putting them through even more trauma will make them ill and a danger to themselves or others.
@@user-od8eq8bd1g so what about when they stab and kill some1 they play the mental or physical abuse card at the end of the day they do a crime they should pay the time iam sick to death of kids getting away with there crimes
@@jaydenssonicchannel8763 Well, the risk of them doing it again and again grows if they are treated the way they are treated now. So if you care one bit about future victims you would want these kids to get proper help.
@@user-od8eq8bd1g what country are u from cause where i am from the kids do get help but keep re offending and getting a slap on the wrist our system is f$@%ked up this kimd of tough love could wake them up cause things can be alot worse for them if they were or will be with harden crims
@@jaydenssonicchannel8763 Please tell me about how informed you are about the situation in your country. Do they kids get regular meetings with psychologists? Are their families being helped if they have financial or other difficulties that could contribute to their child's actions? Most likely not, stop being a whiny spoilt brat. If someone needs a bit of tough love it would be you.
When cops say "For our safety and theirs" they mean for the cop's safety.
Rob Mackenzie yep just cause
And why shouldn't they consider their own safety? They aren't paid to be punching bags. They want to home at the end of their day too. The fact that these kids/young adults have got zero respect for themselves, suggest that they don't give two shits about anybody else's safety either. I think people forget that not all cops are wankers, especially when we are in a pickle and need them to help.
They absolutely must consider their own safety. It’s one officer for many, many people and he must protect us from these loose cannons.
I live in Queensland Australia and I am scared...
I have been in custody many times. The problems with youth offenders occurs years before their first day of lock up. With the Corporates now operating the system built on failure for profit, each body imprisoned is an asset. Outside companies cannot match job quotes therefore go out of business, massive tax breaks etc. So from their business sense it is lucrative to have overcrowding
Boo hoo, the kids broke the law committed crimes and went to jail jail is not supposed to be easy it's not supposed to be fun they're going to violate every damn right and civil liberty that you have regardless of the country that you're living in
@Rainey J. 👍
jackalxjay24 Wow so these are just throw away human beings. Humans that are not even fully formed. Dumped to go on to learn just how cruel and unethical society is. Dumped to learn how to truly get into a life of crime. Guess we should give up on the philosophy of protect the young.
@Audrey M'Lean-Roberts.
Nicely said 🍸
Idiot.
@Rainey J and so might you be..
Di Farmer is the Minister for “Child Safety” … Seriously ?
Is this a joke ?
It’s not funny at all.
Arius Black di farmer doesn't give a shit about any child ..she lets child safety lie and claim mental illnesses against parents without official diagnosis and keep their children and yet there's parents who kill, harm or have been seen on social media or the News smoking ice around their kids and they get ignored and turn a blind eye to it .. she needs to be replaced as Minister
There is worse than that, the UK have named Kate MaCann as the tsar of missing children, that´s a pure oximoronic joke! I think we should put Rolf Harris, as the minister for child safety! No Australian knows kids better than Rolf! Gooday mate!
@@jinski_7711 agreed
Might as well give Hannibal Lecter a job at the morgue. 🙄
They keep on referring to them as children, but when these children commit crimes, should they then be referred to as criminals?
If they aren't full criminals when they go in, they will be on leaving. How do you accidentally put a young girl in with 2 males for any reason?! What a pathetic place, I would be highly upset to find that was going on in my country.
and with sex offenders and 2 paedophiles etc its the media spicing it up as always.....
yea i agree, that mistake cannot be made on accident. officers were paid imo. she was def targeted for some black market reason.. they prob recorded it
This is sick. Why not find a group of mothers to run a group home for kids with problems. Seems they need love, not punishment!
Jae Lynn
They have group homes like that in America. And as wonderful as it sounds, they're understaffed, employees are underpaid and most educated people who work there can't handle working there longterm. Sadly, a lot of the older kids run away and sometimes kids get returned home where most of their problems began. 😕
so Erin we give up because America fails at something? America fails at a hell of a lot of stuff and I really dont think we should accept their failures as an indication of what we should be doing... This is after all Australia and not America where not only do they lock kids in cages they slaughter their kids in their schools as well...
me heretoday
It actually has nothing to do with America or Australia. It has to do with the fact that these type of problems are not top priority on the list of people with power. The point is that we as a society cater to the wrong things in life and no one mentioned anything about giving up. Might I note that I know many good hearted, educated folks with degrees in helping troubled children who have had to quit their jobs because the pay wasn't enough to raise their own family. There just isn't enough interest in doing the right thing because that would mean putting effort, time and money into doing something most governments don't see a financial return on. Also, I've learned in life that most of the world's privileged society don't have a clue how the rest of us live, struggle, raise our children, let alone give a shit that things like this even go on.
Erin you are the one who used America as the stand up example, not me... own it and realise that Australia is Australia and just because the US f's up doesnt mean we are going to do the same...I put our medical system up as an example ...
what I have learnt over time is that people like you like to veto ideas based on your 'superior' opinions and maybe should stop. Jae Lynn tried a suggestion and you countered only with negativity... great one... mmmmmm and still in your reply you add to that negativity... how about trying to put some thought into a positive instead and stop comparing Australia with the bloody US
I know these kids have done the wrong thing, but I don't think you should be locking them up with adults. Sure some kids might get scared straight but you are exposing them to a world that they are not mentally equipped to deal with. 33 days in what can be classified as an adult jail is morally wrong.
They dont
They use same facility with separate areas
What do you think should be done then? Where should they go? The court's have decided that they should be in custody due to their serious offending. It may be morally wrong, but what would you do with them? Lots of people agree that it's wrong, but not many have actual solutions.
Ok under the age of 13 not kool. Anyone above the age of 13 damn well knows right from wrong and have put themselves there noone is to blame but them. They ain't completely innocent, I that case maybe they should try building more juvenile detention centers instead of putting them with adults! Nd a child who has mental issues should be took somewhere to a doctor before throwing them behind bars!
The jails and court system fails to restore sobriety, HOPE, sanity, manageability to ones life inside and outside. Unfortunately, justice isn't served and human rights violated. The world has gone up shit creek beyond redemption.
If children didn’t do crimes then they wouldn’t be there
*Scared to imagine what these children would grow up to be like, once again a case of bad parenting.*
Not the record for a lasting 40 days in a prison.
That would be Bobby Sands, 66;days in confinement, during the “Troubles” in Ireland!
Wasn’t it always if you make bad decisions, you suffer the consequences? That’s what I was told.