True Detectives: Police reveal details of the underbelly killings (2015) | Four Corners

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  • Опубликовано: 20 окт 2019
  • This joint Four Corners/Fairfax report from 2015 revealed damning evidence that the investigations of key gangland murders in Victoria were deeply flawed, undermining the criminal justice system in the state.
    Terry Hodson and Carl Williams were career criminals. Hodson was shot twice in the head by a killer who'd come to his home with no apparent sign of a break-in. Williams was bludgeoned to death while in jail.
    Two murders - six years apart, both linked by key facts. Each was a police informant; both had made serious allegations of police corruption; both were killed with police acutely aware both men were in danger.
    Despite the extraordinary circumstances of the deaths, it's still not clear who ordered their killing. To this day, no one has been convicted of the murder of Terrence Hodson and his wife Christine.

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  • @petervonstamer7859
    @petervonstamer7859 3 года назад +109

    As soon as Karl Williams finished giving up information on criminals and started giving information on currpt Police he gets killed and neither of the 2 guards that were ment to be watching the monitor noticed anything for around 30min

    • @hopsta5628
      @hopsta5628 3 года назад +9

      @It doesn’t matter What your name is Some people do because they detest corrupt cops who organise murder, not many care about Williams but they are concerned about killer cops.

    • @fredfletcher9966
      @fredfletcher9966 2 года назад +14

      Oh yeah .Giving up dirty cops is a death sentence for sure. Remember Roger Rogerson....

    • @BradleyFerguson-oi5ym
      @BradleyFerguson-oi5ym 3 месяца назад

      WTF, he gave up Dale, then other criminals.
      Williams said Dale paid $150 K cash for the hit. Was this investigated. I doubt it.
      Over the past 20 odd years, corruption investigators have taken the stories of criminals for granted. No investigation into the stories. That’s what politics, thanks Nixon,, did to policing

    • @Michael-dp2yd
      @Michael-dp2yd 2 месяца назад

      Cops are worse than normal criminals because they are hypocrites as well, there’s a lot too. Don’t get me started on the correction officers their mentality are worse than prisoners 🤢

    • @allencraigie5009
      @allencraigie5009 21 день назад

      Snitches get st...es

  • @richardgraham2303
    @richardgraham2303 3 года назад +245

    Moral of the story is don't ever be a witness to anything in Australia because if the criminals don't get you the police will . That whole force needs sacked . Corruption seems to be rife.

    • @junecooper4688
      @junecooper4688 2 года назад +17

      Corruption seems rife in the police force

    • @tmckboston417
      @tmckboston417 2 года назад +16

      Dale should be in........

    • @MrFrosty888
      @MrFrosty888 2 года назад +5

      yep but what people dont get or see clear as day the police started it all with supplying the chemicals for these scumbags

    • @tmckboston417
      @tmckboston417 2 года назад +5

      Dale is a narcissistic person!

    • @MentokTheMindTaker
      @MentokTheMindTaker 2 года назад +4

      They didn't want to go into witness protection, so they got what they got.

  • @s3tTz
    @s3tTz 3 года назад +71

    “Carl’s done himself a mischief!”

  • @kenn1936
    @kenn1936 3 года назад +29

    Rocco got a phone call from Carl's cell mate telling him that Carl was dead, BEFORE, prison staff knew he was dead!!!! Rocco is also a suspect!!

    • @RS_Princess90
      @RS_Princess90 3 месяца назад

      Obviously because of him Carl is dead he paid and ordered the hit I can guarantee you and the one that killed him hates informers you heard him.

  • @Spunky786
    @Spunky786 3 года назад +88

    If Carl Williams just offered up a gold mine of information, the last thing I would do is to leave him in prison with other inmates, doesn't take a genius to figure that out

    • @Christizm
      @Christizm 2 года назад +5

      lol so true pretty much straight after it happened he ended up getting murdered it was only a matter of time though even if he didn’t say anything he signed a death sentence once he ended up in Prison it was a ticking time bomb on when he would get killed in or out of jail.

    • @zenthomas9180
      @zenthomas9180 2 года назад +10

      As Big Mark Read once said “Carl Williams “ was a cherub faced wobbly bottomed boy who wouldn’t be safe in any jail in the country “ R.i.P Chopper

    • @iwillnotcomply2002
      @iwillnotcomply2002 2 года назад +2

      Got what he deserved

    • @dxfifa
      @dxfifa 2 года назад

      @@zenthomas9180 Chopper read was a fraud and a liar

    • @clazza65
      @clazza65 Год назад +2

      And the CCTV "failed" the moment it happened. Sure...

  • @neojon4871
    @neojon4871 3 года назад +49

    Pau Dale is protected because someone higher up is implicated.

    • @dawgwithabone6826
      @dawgwithabone6826 2 года назад +5

      Yep, many of them & one kingpin is Chairman Chandrews.

    • @BradleyFerguson-oi5ym
      @BradleyFerguson-oi5ym 3 месяца назад

      Her name is Christine Nixon. She warned off governments in her tenure, of 2 Royal Commissions, lied to the Bushfire Royal Commission and Lawyer X Royal Commission, accepted free flights from Qantas and much more to politicise the Force. Had Bracksy on her side after the cover up involving the collision involving Nick Bracks, who was off his face in cocaine.

    • @danieljonesjones8047
      @danieljonesjones8047 2 месяца назад

      It's a daisy chain

  • @alanwhately2778
    @alanwhately2778 3 года назад +56

    Whilst growing up in Sydney in the 60's my parents used to tell us kids "if you ever get into trouble look for a policeman" but as i got older and had kids of my own i used to tell my kids "if you get into trouble tell me or my friends" and the reason for that was "there are more criminals in the police force than there are in prison !!!!

    • @syria384able
      @syria384able 3 года назад +1

      Wow

    • @cinthiafraser4533
      @cinthiafraser4533 3 года назад +2

      Very true,and it's lime that all over the world.

    • @Elguapo93
      @Elguapo93 2 года назад +2

      Lol righto

    • @lukespector5550
      @lukespector5550 2 года назад +3

      Here in Newcastle, NSW, I couldn't understand why my cousin Michael & colleagues in the Police Force always ate McDonald's for free (King. St & Broadmeadow restaurants). They had to be in uniform, do a visual "lap of honor" & then walk inside to order. This was from 1992 - 2001. THOUSAND$$$ of free food monthly for making these joints look "family friendly" & "safe" for single women was the argument!

    • @RME007
      @RME007 Год назад

      What fantastic advice to give to your children…if you’re that stupid, how have they turned out? 😂

  • @arthurneddysmith
    @arthurneddysmith 4 года назад +108

    11:54 Cops: "Yeah, we thought about looking after the people who were about to give evidence against other police, but we couldn't really be bothered. So ... yeah, people are dead."

    • @dartanion0075
      @dartanion0075 4 года назад +7

      Discusting isn't it.

    • @anonamus7404
      @anonamus7404 4 года назад +3

      dartanion 007 your spelling is what’s disgusting lol

    • @dr.x121
      @dr.x121 4 года назад +5

      Idk about the spelling (mistake, kid, other country, etcetera would explain that!) ANYW. -> UNIMPORTANT COMPARED TO MY QUESTIONS IN THIS CASE!

    • @dr.x121
      @dr.x121 4 года назад +3

      THIS KIND OF STUFF HAPPENS IN RUSSIA ASO.!
      IT'S NOT OK BUT WE ARE USED TO IT... SO 1. OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE:
      IF THIS IS POSSIBLE IN AUSTRALIA!
      Then WHO'S NEXT❔❓❔
      Where does it StoP???

    • @dartanion0075
      @dartanion0075 4 года назад +4

      @@dr.x121 fanks for dat.

  • @rebeccakenworthy4623
    @rebeccakenworthy4623 3 года назад +208

    This guy is leaving a key piece of information out of this story... The way they manipulated Terry into becoming an informer was threatening that Terry's son would do a lengthy stint in jail for the large amount of ecstasy he was caught with if Terry didn't become an informer and help them with information. This detective is partly responsible for Terry's death too. They don't care about the safety of their informers, as long as the get "the bad guy"- everything else is just collateral damage

    • @yyxy.oncesaid
      @yyxy.oncesaid 3 года назад +21

      That ain't threatening.His son was going to go to prison.Terry was given an opitunity to help his son.♠️

    • @rebeccakenworthy4623
      @rebeccakenworthy4623 3 года назад +17

      @@yyxy.oncesaid You call it what you want

    • @rebeccakenworthy4623
      @rebeccakenworthy4623 3 года назад +23

      @@yyxy.oncesaid The fact of the matter is it's the cops fault Terry got murdered and a certain former detective had Carl knocked when he was going to testify into police corruption

    • @robertrinaldi8748
      @robertrinaldi8748 3 года назад +6

      @@yyxy.oncesaid You're right actually. The cops made Hodson an offer to help jeep his son from a lengthy prison sentence. That's not a threat, it's an inducement.

    • @IllIlllI
      @IllIlllI 3 года назад +7

      @@robertrinaldi8748 the only “difference” between a threat and an inducement is which side of the law you are on...
      It’s always do x for y, only thing changing is morality and that’s down to individual

  • @deadfarang
    @deadfarang 4 года назад +233

    Don't be a Police informant is the message in this video.

    • @johnowens2392
      @johnowens2392 4 года назад +6

      your friggin everywhere DF... just been watching a classic DF vlog then this appears so i watch this have a look at the comments and the one and only DF is here!

    • @deadfarang
      @deadfarang 4 года назад +4

      @@johnowens2392 Good vid this one JO. I've always had an interest in true crime for as long as i can remember.

    • @johnowens2392
      @johnowens2392 4 года назад +2

      @@deadfarang yes same here...watched all the underbellys and all the true crime stories etc...

    • @ABCNewsIndepth
      @ABCNewsIndepth  4 года назад +13

      Have you seen our A Dog Act doco? ruclips.net/video/9qcTjsXOJQc/видео.html

    • @johnowens2392
      @johnowens2392 4 года назад +2

      @@ABCNewsIndepth have now ..thanks..very interesting...

  • @np4773
    @np4773 3 года назад +21

    Most Police have a License to Commit Crimes...across every Police Department. Someone should do a study/investigation.

    • @frankystarrz
      @frankystarrz 2 месяца назад

      The security they gave Hodsen was stone age. That det knew it. It's not dollars and cents? It's dollars and sense. This cop KNEW Hodson was dead. He gave him a camera and video tapes for defence. Wow

  • @markshaggy7914
    @markshaggy7914 4 года назад +87

    Victorian police force is a disgrace. That ‘home security’ system with the VCR tapes was like something out of a comedy.
    How would you feel being this poor Murray Gregor bloke? Knowing that there are coppers above dale at the time who were in... it would be soul destroying. No wonder he quit the force.

    • @fredfletcher9966
      @fredfletcher9966 2 года назад +1

      They really cared about their informants+ protecting them --NOT Once they roll... they hang em out to dry or die...

    • @simplesimon4717
      @simplesimon4717 Год назад

      Read Sir Ken Jones' statement. Read George Brouwer first OPI Director Report on VicPol. Read Coroner George Johnstone Report re Jennifer Tanner Inquest.

    • @RS_Princess90
      @RS_Princess90 3 месяца назад

      The police force everywhere is disgraceful even the courts judge and justice system all corrupted

  • @claudedib6324
    @claudedib6324 3 года назад +22

    Remember Quote from Ned Kelly Victoria Police biggest criminals in Australia nothing changed all these years later

  • @WesternAustraliaNowAndThen
    @WesternAustraliaNowAndThen 3 года назад +43

    Anyone who has ever lodged a complaint about police corruption will tell you how quickly they close ranks and protect unethical (even criminal) conduct. As far as I am concerned the only difference between the cops and the crooks is a uniform...

    • @Jack-gn4gl
      @Jack-gn4gl 2 года назад

      The tall man, watch that documentary

    • @RME007
      @RME007 Год назад

      😂

    • @BBD_Kman-wc7jh
      @BBD_Kman-wc7jh 6 месяцев назад

      Grow up !!!

    • @WesternAustraliaNowAndThen
      @WesternAustraliaNowAndThen 6 месяцев назад

      LOL just wait until you are on the wrong end of their corrupt behaviour - I still have ALL the documents relating to it. @@BBD_Kman-wc7jh

    • @Hayden-qp4tr
      @Hayden-qp4tr 7 дней назад

      @@BBD_Kman-wc7jhhe is 100% right. You need to WAKE UP

  • @terrifryday3641
    @terrifryday3641 3 месяца назад +2

    Ron iddles is an Australian effing legend of a detective

  • @TheLargino
    @TheLargino 4 года назад +28

    Paul Dale sounds like Roger Rogerson.

  • @6LTRBENandSHAR00
    @6LTRBENandSHAR00 2 года назад +25

    If my parents asked me to go into witness protection and I didnt and they were both executed like that I couldnt live with the guilt. Nothing would have stopped me protecting my family members. I guess shes lucky she wasnt with them when it happened...

    • @sgc60
      @sgc60 Год назад +3

      My Dad could be killed by the police or the criminals, I think it will be the police but hey, im not moving 🤷🤷

    • @jeremybradley559
      @jeremybradley559 Год назад

      Well his daughters were both halfwits

  • @ISCDESIGNAustralia
    @ISCDESIGNAustralia 4 года назад +40

    ..then the penny drops..and we realise the Police Force IS the biggest gang in Australia smh

    • @mccranahan747
      @mccranahan747 2 года назад

      Same with America 😔 i NEVER thought id see this in my lifetime but its coming. Its about to get real bad real fast i think not fear.

  • @NancyDrewCasebook
    @NancyDrewCasebook 4 года назад +14

    Excellent thoroughly researched

  • @ericshingles
    @ericshingles 4 года назад +70

    Charlie and Murray, last of the "real" cops

  • @BAROMETERONE
    @BAROMETERONE 4 года назад +108

    Murray Gregor. Serious bravery and moral conviction. One in a million. Maybe one in a billion. Hats off to you.

    • @NxDoyle
      @NxDoyle 4 года назад +8

      That's one hell of a leap, million to billion. If one in a million, that means there are just under 7000 people on the planet who share his bravery. If one in a billion, there aren't even seven.
      One million seconds = about 12 days. One billion seconds = over 31 years.

    • @BAROMETERONE
      @BAROMETERONE 4 года назад +42

      @@NxDoyle Lol. My apologies. I wasn't aware my figure of speech would be such a bone of contention when describing a rare person of quality. I never would have know the difference had you not pointed that out. Thanks

    • @rydo85celticfc9
      @rydo85celticfc9 4 года назад +6

      Nx Doyle shut up ya maggot

    • @weldy7018
      @weldy7018 4 года назад +4

      hahaha nice!

    • @BAROMETERONE
      @BAROMETERONE 3 года назад +9

      @@junaidlaw The witness was asked to go into witness protection but his daughter refused essentially leaving the man exposed. If he went in without her, she would be the target. He had no other alternative. Had she played along the whole thing may have turned out very different.
      As far as stolen files, comon. Anyone in the police force that can use a computer can gain access if they are resourceful enough.
      While I don't support everything police do, in this case I see no reason to blame the officer here. He laid everything out and definitely tried to do his job within those constraints. I feel you are misjudging this man. Not only did he have the integrity to make a complaint against others within his organization, he then himself became a target.
      I think you better rewatch the video to determine who the villains are in this scenario.
      It's not Murray Gregor.

  • @pypes88
    @pypes88 3 года назад +22

    How can Miss Nicky live with herself?

  • @tonganc4868
    @tonganc4868 4 года назад +32

    the daughter has to live with the guilt for the rest of her life, her kids are going to grow up and ask her what happend to their grandparents. What a selfish women only thought about her self and not her parents

  • @Nugliscious
    @Nugliscious 4 года назад +23

    "Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." Walter Scott

  • @whooshkaboomie
    @whooshkaboomie 4 года назад +63

    Victorian Police has always been sub standard. Just a State run Security firm.

  • @laurhawk
    @laurhawk 3 года назад +14

    There’s clearly SO MUCH wrong with Australian police. The reason the gangs continued their brutality is because police happily jumped into their pockets for some extra $ as they’re underpaid!

    • @whatilearnttoday5295
      @whatilearnttoday5295 2 года назад +3

      Those "gangs" are working directly for the senior police kingpins as hired muscle.

  • @caeserornothing
    @caeserornothing Год назад +3

    This is like the movie training day and Paul Dale is Denzel Washington

  • @boota8881
    @boota8881 4 года назад +66

    My dad has a friend who is a cop, I'm 31 now but I'll never forget when I was about 6 or 7 and my dad's copper friend was over and he said to my dad " the whole police force is corrupt"
    A few years ago my friends mate got done with 40000 pills and 40000 win cash in his car. When he went to court he was charged for 20000 pills and 20000 in cash...both of these happened in Vic.

    • @dianarosalindland1566
      @dianarosalindland1566 3 года назад +14

      @Stalk I was busted by border patrol in Texax, driving from California with legally obtained medical grade cannabis. I had 3 pounds but booked for one. They also stole expensive gardening equipment that was on the roof of my car and was not listed on the property sheet nor returned. Naturally, I did not complain about the under-reportage. That's how they get away with it. Who is going to say "but officer, I had THREE pounds of weed, not just one!" (BTW, my case was dismissed when I proved my medical condition.)

    • @markwoolgar2781
      @markwoolgar2781 3 года назад +6

      Your mate should’ve got a receipt when the police took the pills and cash. Then in court show that and he would’ve walked and police would’ve been in big trouble. Had a friend who it happened to also but he was smart enough to ask for an evidence receipt

    • @hopsta5628
      @hopsta5628 3 года назад +6

      My cousin was growing dope in a couple of underground shipping containers, he was growing it with two detectives from the Hastings police station on the Mornington Peninsula, he was busted twice with very large amounts of marijuana at his home, but the containers were left untouched, on each occasion the amounts he was busted with were not the same amounts used in evidence at court, he should have been charged with trafficking commercial amounts of marijuana, which was 50 pounds or more at the time, the amounts presented to the court were 5 and 7 pounds, the second time he was busted one of the cops, who just happened to be sleeping with my cousin's younger sister, kept the crops growing for about 3 months until my cousin was released from prison, both the detectives are well known for sexually assaulting women and teenage girls at the police station and for robbing local drug dealers, but as usual all complaints were ignored by VicPol. One young lass who persisted in her allegations against them was beaten very badly by several Hastings cops who burst into her home and flogged everyone in the house, quite severely, it took a few years before the cops were named and shamed and sent to work in other parts of Victoria, well away from Hastings.

    • @benjijarman
      @benjijarman 2 года назад +1

      @@markwoolgar2781 Even during the recorded interview they mention how much and what you are caught in possession with.

    • @rodneyhulme3649
      @rodneyhulme3649 2 года назад +2

      It happens in nsw also

  • @bobbypaluga4346
    @bobbypaluga4346 4 года назад +112

    Every cop should be routinely random drug tested as well as a yearly polygraph exam covering all phases of corruption practices. We give these people too much power not to realize they will and do overuse brutal force, steal money and valuable items from crime scenes, and claim overtime pay they don’t deserve. An FBI detective left after 15 years and began working for my company. I hired him and I’d do it again enthusiastically. He is a man of high character and no compromise who left the FBI rather than succumb to the same temptations that had turned other agents into criminals themselves.

    • @smolgok384
      @smolgok384 4 года назад +14

      Polygraphs are not accurate, hence why they're not admissible in court

    • @bobbypaluga4346
      @bobbypaluga4346 4 года назад +2

      Look Chauncey nobody is talking about going to court. In my US you lose your badge if you fail a polygraph, it has nothing to do with criminal charges. You’re like a talking doll out of the ‘60s. You know the type you pull a string and the doll “says” something. When you read polygraph you pull your own string and out come “inadmissible in court”. If I’d mentioned that a killer should never again see the light of day you’re going to say “Innocent until proven guilty”. Stupid knee jerk response, not relevant

    • @samsmith3012
      @samsmith3012 4 года назад +13

      Polygraphs are useless. Anyone can cheat them - especially a corrupt cop who's well rehearsed at lying

    • @donaldsmith3926
      @donaldsmith3926 4 года назад +1

      @Snaggle Toothed ...or Hansen with the FBI.

    • @mickyzzzeee
      @mickyzzzeee 2 года назад +4

      They’d be none left

  • @JohnnyDogs1978
    @JohnnyDogs1978 2 года назад +35

    I hope Terry's daughter does feel guilt for being selfish, just been married with a baby, they take babies and husband's in witsec, her life was worth more to her than her parents lives. She knew the danger was real. She knew there were multiple murders within her father's circle of associates, she knew that parts of corrupt po)ice wanted him dead, other drug dealers wanted him gone because he'd snitched on them. Unbelievably selfish, knowing he wouldn't go into witsec without her was as good as killing her parents herself. All that doesn't excuse the police for their shoddy work, just doing a half decent security system in the home would've made things harder. Her and her attitude just grind my gears.

    • @leshgooo1016
      @leshgooo1016 Год назад +1

      Exactly she has blood on her hands too. What a tool she is.

    • @kalebcotter197
      @kalebcotter197 Год назад +1

      She got paid not to go I reckon

  • @alirramckay6048
    @alirramckay6048 3 года назад +14

    she killed her parents by being stubborn and not going into witness protection! and blames the police🤣🤣

  • @benjamin4894
    @benjamin4894 3 года назад +37

    I still can't get over the fact that, in this day and age, a crim like that Mathew Johnson could gain access to someone as high profile as Carl Williams - in Victoria's most secure correctional facility - and not one screw was so much as stood down. What an absolute disgrace!

    • @ronaldinho5860
      @ronaldinho5860 Год назад

      Well you must not be the sharpest tool in the shed then. It was clearly planned and a set up to stop him from testifying.

    • @jimreily7538
      @jimreily7538 10 месяцев назад +18

      Carl Williams was beaten to death with something he'd tried his whole life to avoid: exercise equipment.

    • @osicpms2539
      @osicpms2539 9 месяцев назад +5

      well a killer killing a killer? Who cares !

    • @SOUTHEASTALLDAY
      @SOUTHEASTALLDAY 8 месяцев назад +1

      Bruzz😂😂😂

    • @AntoninusPius17
      @AntoninusPius17 8 месяцев назад

      Inside job. Just like every politicised death.

  • @jimreily7538
    @jimreily7538 10 месяцев назад +5

    Carl Williams was beaten to death with something he'd tried his whole life to avoid: exercise equipment.

  • @petemchardy619
    @petemchardy619 4 года назад +15

    unbelievable man sum of the stuff that go's on unbelievable

  • @deanfitz1985
    @deanfitz1985 4 года назад +16

    Only person guilty here is the daughter,her selfish ways meant her dad wouldn't go into protection,had he not died none of this would of happened.
    So i hope she lives with that guilt forever.
    The corruption is plain and simple but she made the wrong choice

    • @Hanzey1966
      @Hanzey1966 2 года назад +5

      So..... its not Dads fault, being a Criminal at the First place ??

  • @astroemerald3175
    @astroemerald3175 3 года назад +9

    Hasn’t their been a cloud over Vic police for decades ?

  • @amyjojinkerson5668
    @amyjojinkerson5668 Год назад +3

    they really do a good job in protecting informants

  • @peterjongsma2779
    @peterjongsma2779 3 года назад +8

    At least 4 corners allows comments.
    60 Minutes definitely doesn't.
    Why?

    • @xpresslane173
      @xpresslane173 3 года назад +4

      public opinion doesnt always fit your personal agenda

    • @missjustice2730
      @missjustice2730 3 месяца назад

      Because only one has credible journalism

  • @davidgladwin5953
    @davidgladwin5953 4 года назад +39

    The prison officers were paid to turn a blind eye as Carl Williams was beat to death in his cell

    • @ianinvan
      @ianinvan 4 года назад +3

      Not beaten ... he slipped.

    • @kgem76
      @kgem76 4 года назад +11

      Thats ok, a man that can order a hit in front of children deserves all he gets.

    • @stuartmalcolm1191
      @stuartmalcolm1191 3 года назад +2

      Yeah, coz Paul Dale had contacts in Super Max!!!

    • @rejeanneusher9419
      @rejeanneusher9419 3 года назад +1

      In the Gym "

    • @robjj5373
      @robjj5373 3 года назад +1

      @@rejeanneusher9419 his cell. There was gym equipment in there among other things like pool tables

  • @stevomulzy8300
    @stevomulzy8300 3 года назад +6

    The first thing you learn is to not talk to police

  • @grantkearney6354
    @grantkearney6354 2 года назад +19

    Paul Dale. Australia's #1 Gangster of all time.

    • @justinsmith4562
      @justinsmith4562 Год назад +1

      No

    • @grantkearney6354
      @grantkearney6354 Год назад +1

      @@justinsmith4562 Yeah. Probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time, like 100 times. Pure coincidence. GTFO

  • @mrfreeman254
    @mrfreeman254 2 года назад +6

    There must be more Police officers involved in this saga....

  • @RareGem369
    @RareGem369 11 месяцев назад +8

    Anyone else here read the book called Filthy Rat by former detective Simon illingworth? It’s a tell all biography about his time in the Melbourne police force and how he climbed the ranks to become an inside investigator of police corruption. Very eye opening read!

  • @bayi-gubi
    @bayi-gubi 4 года назад +22

    If she went into witnesses protection the hodgsons would still be here.

  • @bradbutcher3984
    @bradbutcher3984 3 года назад +10

    Sounds like 90% of the force is crooked.

  • @kosta8129
    @kosta8129 3 года назад +6

    The greed for money!!!!!!
    That's why this world is fkddddddd up...

  • @M-N00
    @M-N00 Год назад +2

    "it wasnt me. read my book" is now my go to anytime allegations thrown my way

  • @lonestarrdjbrannan7318
    @lonestarrdjbrannan7318 Год назад +2

    30 people in 12 years ? That’s one weekend in Chicago

  • @kinkynightmare4705
    @kinkynightmare4705 3 года назад +9

    Victoria police - “STOP! ......*bang bang bang* .......Police!!”

  • @TomEnduro
    @TomEnduro 4 года назад +15

    Those shells weren't picked up and put on the bodies, they were taken out of the gun and put on the bodies... Those shells are for a revolver, not a semi-auto which would eject the shells..

    • @harryricochet8134
      @harryricochet8134 Год назад

      The moving pictures are a recreation filmed for the doco. The actual crime scene pictures are the still shots that are only shown briefly and which have the victims heads blurred.

    • @clazza65
      @clazza65 Год назад +2

      Did the coppers still use revolvers back then ? I can't recall when Glocks came in. They would have willingly opened their door for a cop they knew and trusted. Just a theory.

    • @miguelsanchez6370
      @miguelsanchez6370 Год назад

      @@clazza65 Rodney Sid Collins murdered them on behalf of certain police

  • @tommytrinder.1226
    @tommytrinder.1226 2 года назад +5

    " 36 people killed in 12 years ".Thats two weeks in Baltimore,or a weekend in the summer in Chicago.

    • @nos4me
      @nos4me Год назад +1

      Look at the size of melbourne in the late 90s/early 00s and it’s a lot

    • @stevesalkas9128
      @stevesalkas9128 11 месяцев назад

      That's 25 million to 380 million

    • @kazgreenham1877
      @kazgreenham1877 6 месяцев назад +1

      Its a hell of a lot in a country where guns are illegal.

  • @soyuzdavillan721
    @soyuzdavillan721 3 года назад +12

    Murray Gregor talks like he's trying to hold back a lifetime of dreadful memories 😂😂😂

  • @tyrese2112
    @tyrese2112 3 года назад +34

    Ron Iddles knows much more than he says,keeps to himself because he doesn’t trust the drug squad at all.

    • @andrewmartin7076
      @andrewmartin7076 3 года назад +5

      He's the 1 good cop / ex cop

    • @tynellesharratt463
      @tynellesharratt463 3 года назад

      Me mate Iddles 😍

    • @hopsta5628
      @hopsta5628 3 года назад +3

      Iddles was involved in the murder of Graham Jenson at at Pakenham Vic, when the armed robbery squad surrounded his car and shot him as he was driving through a car park, of course the cops claimed Jenson pulled a gun on them so they were forced to kill him with shotguns, the killing resulted in the two young newbie cops being murdered on Walsh street South Yarra, in retaliation against the Victoria police by Jenson's mates, the armed robbery squad was a murderous criminal organisation in its own right at the time, they didn't take prisoners when conducting raids on suspected armed robbers.

    • @benjijarman
      @benjijarman 2 года назад

      @@hopsta5628 Plus the subsequent murders of Gary Abdallah and Jed Houghton. Those were wild times!

    • @jimmywazlickowzki6049
      @jimmywazlickowzki6049 2 года назад

      @@hopsta5628 he was shot in narre Warren you have no idea what your talking about just keep paying your taxes and keep your I'll informed opinions to yourself

  • @scottmahoney3147
    @scottmahoney3147 3 года назад +9

    32mins 15secs "when we find evidence of it, we will pursue it".
    Don't you need to pursue an allegation to find evidence?
    Geez, even when they speak, you can hear the cover up in their voices and words. They don't even realise they have a tell. Might as well have a big neon sign above their heads saying 'GET YOUR CORRUPTION HERE!!'

  • @user-rf7kq8tz6o
    @user-rf7kq8tz6o 5 месяцев назад +2

    And what did this investigation achieve? What does any investigation into police achieve ? Absolutely nothing.

  • @jamessmyth5949
    @jamessmyth5949 Год назад +4

    Drugs, criminals and corrupt Police. Those three things are what Victoria are all about.

  • @anthonyhislop3006
    @anthonyhislop3006 11 месяцев назад +3

    Looks like the pigs killed a bunch of dogs.

  • @nichobee
    @nichobee 3 года назад +3

    Using an iPhone 5 in an re-enactment of 2003 😂

  • @madness6780
    @madness6780 8 месяцев назад

    Wish more people were understanding,lost my father through dementia x

  • @alexjayyy5811
    @alexjayyy5811 2 года назад +8

    Leaving 2 witnesses going against the police easy to get to is a bad mistake by authorities,They should have kept them hidden but I’m not surprised the witnesses met an early demise

  • @chrishyland7144
    @chrishyland7144 4 года назад +5

    Underground/Overland is looking like the same thing!

  • @sonicvictory
    @sonicvictory 4 года назад +10

    Convicts dont view snitching against cops the same. Theres clearly high up corruption to allow the snitch be killed in prison. It was a planted cop that tried to get the snitch to snitch on others in the first place. Staying focussed on the corrupt cop would have been the prosecuters objective.

    • @Elguapo93
      @Elguapo93 2 года назад +3

      That Paul dale would of had him killed.

    • @noelettemason7065
      @noelettemason7065 2 года назад +2

      That's what I thought. That Paul Dale couldn't afford to have him.alive and spilling his guts.

  • @_Meng_Lan
    @_Meng_Lan 9 месяцев назад +2

    Still miss Kerry O'Brien

  • @ballzy123owen2
    @ballzy123owen2 4 года назад +11

    That crooked cop Miechel gave his sister money buy her house in 2003/2004 I wonder where the money came from🤣🤣

  • @ericalexander5890
    @ericalexander5890 Год назад +3

    Bob Hastings seems either criminally clueless, or criminally involved.

  • @smashhimmungo5798
    @smashhimmungo5798 3 года назад +6

    Bitterly dissapointed ! THATS AN UNDERSTATEMENT ! VICTORIA POLICE HAVE BLOOD ON THERE HANDS !!

  • @patrickjm3487
    @patrickjm3487 Год назад +8

    Terry hodson and his lovely wife Kristen should have been treated with the security they deserved and that poor man and woman were ordinary people like you and me!!
    Police are the blame for their murders no doubt about that!!
    The video of terry playing with his grandchild was priceless and it showed his love and pride at the same time!!!!
    May they both Rest in peace and the Victoria police should be held accountable for not protecting Kristen and terry !!
    also terry wasn’t a man walking the streets with a gun he didn’t have the courage to anything like that))

    • @sore_forey9259
      @sore_forey9259 Год назад +1

      Wasn’t he a career criminal and drug dealer? Or did I mishear the video.

    • @ArtVandelayOfficial
      @ArtVandelayOfficial 10 месяцев назад +2

      He was a grubby crim,quit with the fairytale story ok

    • @tonymc55
      @tonymc55 9 месяцев назад +1

      Ordinary people?
      This is sarcasm, right?

  • @leesmith813
    @leesmith813 2 года назад +2

    Did Dale order the hit on Williams to shut him up?

  • @petercallaghan9851
    @petercallaghan9851 4 года назад +5

    Charlie Bezzina served Victorians well. Overland...... least said the better.

  • @wade1198
    @wade1198 4 года назад +8

    Too many names, i can't keep up😂😂

    • @katharina...
      @katharina... 4 года назад +3

      Yeah, I agree! These types of documentaries need to be watched 2 or 3 times to fully understand who is who, and what actually happened.

    • @26TptCoy
      @26TptCoy 4 года назад +2

      it takes me two hours to watch a 45 minute documentary

    • @jbrown8059
      @jbrown8059 4 года назад +1

      I quit watching it i got lost in the story lol

  • @sebastianpickett3
    @sebastianpickett3 11 месяцев назад +1

    £120000 a month 😂😂😂😂
    Get with the program !!!!!
    My mate spends that on elastic bands a month 😂😂🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟

  • @ryanclarke908
    @ryanclarke908 3 года назад +4

    The Police informant that was never named for his own protection seems to show in the paper work that is flicked through at the end of the story.

  • @stephenpenniket9976
    @stephenpenniket9976 Год назад +3

    I think it might have been Paul Dale. Just a gut feeling. he must have crapping himself locked up facing murders until he slithered free like a grass snake

  • @markryan5493
    @markryan5493 4 года назад +7

    Makes ya wonder how much overland had to do with this given the recent Gobbo drama.

    • @ryanmccartney2703
      @ryanmccartney2703 4 года назад +1

      Overland had everything to do with Nicola gobbo was getting made to do things she did init want to do for Carl Tony mokbel

  • @HerrFrankenstein
    @HerrFrankenstein 4 года назад +2

    Take profit out of the equation. No profit... No crime.../ No crime.. No violence

  • @98091238
    @98091238 2 года назад +2

    I take it the third witness that Niddles did not take a statement from in order to protect their safety was Nicola Gobbo

  • @mosimadikgale87
    @mosimadikgale87 2 года назад +3

    With all the killings and murders I bet the drug business is still continuing like it's 1998🤗

  • @brendongrey133
    @brendongrey133 4 года назад +4

    Worst cop ever if he knows his snitch is a target of a death threat. Then let’s it happen.

  • @malcolmallerton3946
    @malcolmallerton3946 4 года назад +5

    Useley when you get police corruption there are politicians involved with corruption

  • @serenaleaghgrace5023
    @serenaleaghgrace5023 Год назад +1

    great report

  • @deniserossiter1059
    @deniserossiter1059 3 года назад +8

    This doc was w/out a doubt the most ridiculous & infuriating example of either: A.) complete & utter incompetence (just DUMB people) starting at the top on down of a police force..... OR.....
    B.) one of the most blatant examples of police corruption & the subsequent cover-up that I've ever heard of in Australia.

  • @Paul-mq5yn
    @Paul-mq5yn 4 года назад +9

    looks more like a joint to me

  • @joelennon432
    @joelennon432 2 года назад +2

    Prison guards, police, politicians and even the guys getting interviewed....they where all in on it

  • @deppresedonion6320
    @deppresedonion6320 2 года назад +1

    Whats the name of this programe that did this investigation ????Would like to watch another few of them about different cases.Please and Thank's

  • @greggraime2738
    @greggraime2738 Год назад +4

    No govt anywhere in Australia has the balls to empower the police to punch massive holes into the supply side of the drug problem. Decriminalisation is not the answer. Booze is our biggest drug of addiction in Australia and it's legal.

  • @jamesp8095
    @jamesp8095 4 года назад +64

    This is what happens when you have people with average to low IQ in positions of judgement and responsibility.

    • @chelsbnz
      @chelsbnz 4 года назад +6

      unfortunately you've just described the majority of Australia. The police are shockingly rife with corruption here too

    • @johnnydtractive
      @johnnydtractive 4 года назад +4

      Corruption has nothing to do with IQ. Some of the brightest people convince themselves they're above the law & the rules don't apply to them. Corruption is also not just about corrupt individuals--it's about a system that allows & protects corruption.

    • @gg-gg-gg-gg
      @gg-gg-gg-gg 4 года назад +1

      That describes most of this country unfortunately. It's infuriating.

    • @gg-gg-gg-gg
      @gg-gg-gg-gg 4 года назад +2

      @@johnnydtractive He doesn't mean that the low IQ people are the corrupt individuals, he means that having low IQ people in positions of power allow corruption to occur because they are oblivious to its occurrence.

    • @terrythekittie
      @terrythekittie 4 года назад +1

      So get people in with higher IQs and pay them a higher wage.

  • @sheriashley7692
    @sheriashley7692 24 дня назад +1

    Never been any Royal Commission into VicPol (unlike NSW) there should have been. How many corrupt cops are still serving?? What is going on now that we don’t know about??

  • @kawasakiman8965
    @kawasakiman8965 2 года назад +3

    Something stinks here Carl Williams should have been removed from the cell away from other prisoners knowing that as an informer he would be in serious danger in the prison why was he kept in there with two cell mates it looks like everything in the justice system in AUSTRALIA 🇦🇺 is corrupt this must be the worst system in the world

  • @supergooner7581
    @supergooner7581 3 года назад +8

    No Police corruption to see here,move along ,move along.

  • @tammyking-robinson3112
    @tammyking-robinson3112 3 года назад +6

    Im from America and I watch alot of stuff from this country but I feel like the COPS killed him the co in jail definitely did it or they let other inmates do it why where the cameras off in the worst prison hmm fishy 🐟 fishy 🐟

    • @rejeanneusher9419
      @rejeanneusher9419 3 года назад

      I'm in Australia 🐨🇦🇺🦘 and agree 💯👌

  • @user-nb2np3qd6w
    @user-nb2np3qd6w 9 месяцев назад

    You can see the frustration on his face

  • @morallybankrupt1461
    @morallybankrupt1461 Год назад +1

    3 murders is crime spree in Australia? That’s a Saturday night here.

    • @maryjanedodo
      @maryjanedodo 3 месяца назад

      Not having many guns around makes murder more of a chore I suppose...

    • @karensherlock5151
      @karensherlock5151 12 дней назад

      Funny

  • @dominicpelle7841
    @dominicpelle7841 4 года назад +20

    Four Corners ABC legends..

  • @Skinny_Karlos
    @Skinny_Karlos 3 года назад +3

    Why would you hang around to "protect your daughter" or not leave her out in the cold where she could be 'got' when you readily admit ("I'm a dead man walking") that you cannot even protect yourself and your wife? He should have gone into Witness Protection.

  • @telezab3853
    @telezab3853 3 года назад +5

    Paul Dale is the lowest. He organised the murders and Carl Williams as Well. They use to supply them, then knocked them when they were going to give up Paul and his crew. Another person who knew about Paul was Carl. Paul paid Matthews family to do knock.

    • @unclemac9631
      @unclemac9631 Год назад

      Carls prize for giving up every one was Dakotas Schooling being Payed for by Vicpol once Erico was tipped of by vicpol dogs it was Broadcast throughout the jail that Karl was a Dog

  • @reviewswithpappy8058
    @reviewswithpappy8058 4 года назад +19

    Live by the sword for Carl he killed plenty of peeps what goes around comes around man

    • @StreakyBaconMan
      @StreakyBaconMan 3 года назад +8

      Still, would it not have been a better outcome for him to not have died, and helped to get a conviction against the corrupt police officers who are responsible for murders? Sure he's not a very sympathetic victim, but there was real consequences resulting from his death that were not good for anybody but corrupt police officers and criminals.

    • @deniserossiter1059
      @deniserossiter1059 3 года назад +1

      StreakyBaconMan Exactly!! The police are supposed to be BETTER than the criminals!! In my opinion, his actions made him worse than any of these career criminals he partnered up w/ due to the level of trust placed w/ cops, their sworn oath & last but not least..... the taxpayer funded salaries they receive!! It’s truly disgraceful & in the end, it sends the message that you can’t trust the police. Now, no one will ever come forward to work w/ the police & who could ever blame them.

    • @jakebarton301
      @jakebarton301 3 года назад +1

      He only killed dead beats

    • @reviewswithpappy8058
      @reviewswithpappy8058 3 года назад +1

      @@jakebarton301 regardless of the person's he nutted off they are and we're some ones some one man

    • @julianakleijn2487
      @julianakleijn2487 3 года назад +1

      except the cops were involved a d thats not right

  • @colinwade5640
    @colinwade5640 3 года назад +4

    Don't be a cop
    Don't be a criminal .

  • @beklerken1
    @beklerken1 4 года назад +4

    The incompetence of Vic Pol is paramount. Murray Gregor talks all innocently and of “hindsight” . In 2019, I was charged with assault by an incompetent and a cocky constable Michaela Young 42244 that was hellbent on charging me without proper investigation and a standard operating procedure. After about attending court about five times and correct filing procedures of statements and so on, I was dismissed without convictions or anything alike, later told that it would be self defence on my behalf. I then complained to all internal affairs that carry fancy names but none found the above mentioned pig in contempt of anything. If they don’t act on gung ho cops as such early in their careers to find them accountable, these types of corruption is no surprise to me at all along with the ones that don’t make it to the mainstream media that cover the Vic Pol with their tight relationship with them.

    • @kenlee-97
      @kenlee-97 4 года назад +1

      Was that constable female?

    • @beklerken1
      @beklerken1 3 года назад

      @@kenlee-97 Yes, she had attitude and an ego twice her height at 8 feet, cause she was only 4 feet nothing.

  • @gurutruecrimeguru1405
    @gurutruecrimeguru1405 2 года назад +2

    That's what happened to Jane Furlong in New Zealand. A 16 year old informant on three court cases and no one looked after her. Wtf New Zealand police.

  • @missjustice2730
    @missjustice2730 3 месяца назад

    The fact that Carl Williams and Jeffery Dahmer were both bludgeoned to death with bars from gym equipment while two guards were supposed to be watching them is kinda a interesting coincidence.