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I also have a degree in audio…you made some excellent points! I had an awesome time in school, and I did learn but if I had to do it all over again, I would not! As you said, taking the money and investing in yourself would have gone a lot further. great vid!!!
The best part of the college program I did was the unpaid internship at the end. I learned more in two months working in an actual studio than in two years of school. Also got a job out of it. That said, I would still go to college if I could do it all again.
I'm the same way. I like working by myself and as far as recording school...I think with the technology there is now with video creation and social media, recording school isn't that beneficial. I've learned most of what I learned from talking to people, watching videos, and just learning. You get what you put in.
Learning photography and video capture, lighting, editing skills is getting more important in the music industry, even in studios. And how to work with both together. And less of the existing engineers will have the experience, or especially the time for that aspect. Similar with IT skills. Learning audio & networking wiring, backup tools and process, setting up NAS devices, being very knowledgable with the common OSs. Sometimes new people can have an edge here. Being an absolute ninja in terms of just speed of using a couple of the most common DAWs for common time consuming tasks and their processes, shortcuts (you mention pitch correction, but also audio cleanup, and yes definitely drum editing). And again, you can learn a lot of that from video, manuals, and tons of practice on your own music projects. Learning the drums, and especially how to tune them, and set them in the most common patterns for recording (Glyn Johns, Recorderman, common close micing strategies). Basic guitar/bass tech is good to know, restringing, setup/intonation, basic electronics like how to wire pickups, jack sockets, pots. Knowing how to dial in common amps and pedals. Even things like fret-levelling. Learning how to tune a piano is another really useful skill, few engineers have the skill and certainly don't have the time.
Excellent points indeed. I graduated with an audio engineering Bachelor’s in the late 90’s, learning and working primarily on analog gear (SSL, Neve, Otari, splicing tape, having a limited number of tracks and outboard processing gear etc). The parts of that education I still use today have to do with advanced signal flow, the physics of sound and electrical engineering. The rest was easily perishable with the rapid advances in technology. If you really MUST go get a degree, get something like an electrical engineering or sound and acoustics related degree. Not only will you be valuable to a studio, you’ll be valuable to any number of gear manufacturers in the audio world.
I graduated from one. I agree!
As someone who is in school right now for audio and has 1 year left I highly agree with everything you said in this video. Learning stuff in school is good but being more hands on and doing the work is so much more important
Audio schools exist mostly to make money for schools off of other people's dreams. However, there are a handful of success stories that schools use to entice those dreamers. I can think of a few that I know that got assistant gigs with notable engineer/producers and have done well. They are the outliers but they make a case for the school to take your money.
I read my post again this morning and feel compelled to add some counterpoint. I know 4 people that went to some kind of audio school or program. Two of them are and have been gainfully employed in the industry and are doing well supporting themselves within it. They don't have other gigs besides production. The other two are not currently working in the industry. One, I believe, has fully moved on from aspirations while the other is only a couple years out. The latter person is extremely musical, has a pleasant disposition, and is creative but I've also learned he is a profoundly flaky and poor with communications.
So my question is this, there are a lot of law students, medical students, science, students, all enrolled at schools around the country - how many progress into that field after graduation? How many even finish? I also understand there are many tiers to those professions and that it's possible to be gainfully employed at some intermediate level of a field vs audio. People live entire lives not needing an audio professional but everyone will need a doctor or a lawyer at some point. It's not that audio schools are a scam, it's just not something that is practical to offer affordably. Schools may mean well but they cannot be fully altruistic to the extent that they can have a million dollar facility and charge appropriately to the likelihood of actually succeeding.
Excellent, Interesting and diverse portfolio you have there Jeremy. Will be following progress of your course. My interests lie in everything about capturing. Mixing courses have been beaten to death.
Great video and amazing advice. Music is my hobby but I’m also a photographer and everything you said translates to that field as well. Translates to many industries. Keep up the great work!!!
Thank you so much! This information is incredibly helpful. The phrase "add value" gets tossed around so much in the entrepreneurial space without being defined or specified what that actually means or looks like.
I had a buddy that moved away to a bigger city to go to school. He hated it. Eventually sold all his gear and quit music all together. The only job he could find was working for the company he got his school loans from. Ended up just working off his loans for nothing in the end.
That’s horribly sad. It only that it didn’t work out but killed his passion for the craft.
Great points -- outside of knowing how to mic up a snare, kick drum, etc, and just being good out the technical aspects it's all about working with people. If you can't or don't like to work with people odds are it will never work. Be nice -- don't be an a-hole.
Taking the recording courses at the local community college was a great start to learn the basics, but I'm glad it only cost me a few thousand. I didn't complete all the other classes to earn a degree, but no one I've worked with or spoken to about working together has ever asked me whether I have a degree. After getting those basics down I've definitely learned far more by doing than if I had done a more extensive program like Full Sail or something. And these days there's a lot of the foundational knowledge available for free, and the cost of entry is so low, you could get started learning on your own for a couple hundred bucks.
There are definitely some excellent points here, but it would've taken me years to maybe learn what I learned at Blackbird. RIP Mark Rubel
I went to a school called the RECW in Ohio. They just do a month or two month long program (two if you wanted to take the advanced course) and I feel like if anyone was going to go to school that would be it. Not sure what their prices are now a days, but I was out just under $5,000 and that included living on campus, which were just camping cabins that had been refurbished. You're on an actual console within your first week and they also taught digital systems just using basic audio interfaces and those kind of workflows. All in all if anyone was going to do anything, that's it. Look for programs like this. I still think $5k was a very reasonable number to pay to speed run audio basics and cut down 2 years worth of real world learning by trial and error to just two months. Definitely got me started quick!
That sounds like a great deal!
Man, I have a degree in audio but it only cost me 15K. If someone was telling me that they were looking at going to school and it was going to cost 6+ figures. I'd be real tempted to just tell them to pay me, I'll gladly teach people for a fraction of that.
Yeah a few years ago these schools weren’t charging these numbers. When we were sitting there talking he pulled up the tuition numbers on their site and my jaw dropped…
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Would love to see more of your sessions and how you track
There’s a few videos on the channel already. Anything you specifically are interested in seeing?
I Did a Music Engineering, Production and Management Course in university not for a music reason but for the networking opportunities, also it wasn't super expensive, however yeah don't think recording school is needed
Half a mill???? That’s crazy!!! Theres no way that’s justified.
I didn’t believe him until he pulled up the schools cost on their page
RUclips is recording school. Don't get me wrong, you must have hands on experience. But specifics that you need help with you can youtube it
It's sad that a video has to be made to remind/teach people to be useful and find ways to add value. It's literally the bare minimum in any field.
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