Yes. Stupid little thing I heard that I thought I'd test out over the next couple months. As the guruism goes... It's supposed to improve "natural aiming point" and/ or "point shooting".... We will see. I'm pretty dialed already so I can't see it making much of a difference.
“No porn addiction out here” 😂😂😂 you’re right about the gun. Only big plus side of the shadow systems is their direct mounting system which is top notch.
Sure, but dump a little bit into the Glock and it's a lot better and it's a Glock, reliable as the day is long. That said almost anything you do to a Glock will only make it less reliable even if more shootable.
@JamesReedy I don't upgrade guns. I use them as they are. I've owned every glock under the sun, and i still say M&P is far more superior and doesn't get the recognition it deserves. I own Fn's currently and in the past and other platforms.
@@alwaysnmymind4705 yeah I just put together a M&P M2.0 Compact Carry Comp. I had to buy a non-comp California compliant gun, sourced a new comp slide, barrel and recoil spring and then got a new non-California sear block to remove the MDM. It may end up replacing my G19 on my permit, we shall see.
Better trigger, better optic mounting system, better grip angel, co witness without suppressor height sights, the stippling does make it stick to your hands better, better slide serrations, a fluted barrel, slide cutouts, threaded barrel, it weighs less, and the barrel is also better quality than the basic Glock. It’s disingenuous to say there are “literally zero improvements”
OK everything you said was true except for the better trigger part. Shadow systems trigger sucks, not just comparing it to a Glock trigger but it’s $900 price tag. It doesn’t have to be apex level but it should be at least CZ or PDP level.
@@popa213 Trigger on my mr920 is great. Comparable to an Apex trigger in a gen 5 19. I compared them side by side and other than the trigger shoe's feeling different they were the same.
My buddy has the MR920 it’s pretty solid. Love the texture and the shelf where I rest my thumbs. Trigger is great very easy to get on the gas. I’m left handed and prefer ambi slide releases so I’ll stick with my Glock, but I might find myself owning a shadow systems soon enough
The shadow systems for $900 at msrp but in store really more like $7-800your getting a rmr ready slide a threaded barrel, night sights, slide serrations and ports stippeled grip and an extended mag well. Get all that with a glock your spending probably around $1200. Ive have both my self but ended up keeping the DR920
@@OvertonWindex getting threaded barrels is a pain in the dick though. Jarvis Customs has been hilding my money like they're working for social security.
Those new sigs are trash bro. If you dont want a glock or glock model pistol, grab a CZ/smith/beretta. Thay all shit all over those sigs quality wise @brianfidler2439
If you own multiple guns.. you most likely have a Glock or 2 in there.. so that would be most people? Glock is a great gun.. it’s ok if you’re brand new just say that
Literally LMAO i just bought an MR920L...it wasnt cheap but as a non-glock guy i gotta say it may have changed my stance a little. FYI im a Canik and Rock island guy@@OvertonWindex
Yeah and you can change the angle with different back straps. Comes with optional flared magwell. Great optics plate system. Good stipple on the grip and great trigger. Dude is high
I like how he glosses over the fact that shadow systems include a self defense warranty so if you need to use it for a justified shoot and it get confiscated. You can contact them and they will send you another shadow while yours is in the evidence locker. Or buy like 3 psa daggers.
He also only talks about the most expensive version and not the foundation series that’s only $20 more than the Glock MOS and refers to the Glock being $500 when that’s not the optics ready version.
Yeah apples to gucci apples, the base model of both guns. The shadow system foundation series still gives optics cut with lower 1/3 irons and a nice frame cut for your support hand. Broken in glock will shoot just as nice as the mr920 “upgraded” from what ive shot. At the end of the day, its a tool and train what you got.
@@DankasorusRex how but fuck retarded can you people be? I mean, seriously. Were you literally conceived in the butt? What the dog water does that matter? I’ve got the version that’s $400 more. It’s not better than the factory Glock. Are you seriously asking if the $20 version is better? Where are you losing the plot here?
My dot direct mounts and I've never had an optic come off or had issues mounting one. The shadow systems are a cool idea but not 900 to 1000 cool. My 43x is my only glock with extra stuff and I'm still under price of some then or same price. I'd take a glock over a clone any day
@@Mr.Bonez2Go well, I didn’t spend close to $900. But arguing a pair of larger screws with more thread engagement and bolting straight to the slide is somehow less effective than two tiny screws that hold your MOS plate to the slide, then two more of those tiny screws to hold the optic to the plate, is ridiculous. I didn’t say it doesn’t come with a price, but less points of contact and beefing up those points of contact is just better. That’s all.
The thing that bothers me about posts like this is that the ignore the fact that the company will replace the gun if you have to draw it as long as you are law enforcement or armed security. They also let you keep the replacement when you receive your original gun back. They also ignore that the iron sights are better and the sight mount is better. If you are in law enforcement or do armed security then the shadow system is just better.
@@ZuZaarr to the best of my knowledge it is only law enforcement and armed security. There are companies like USCCA that will give you a check for the value of your gun go the average joe but shadow system only replaces it if you are law enforcement for armed security
@@ZuZaarr so after looking into it to verify my knowledge I’m getting two different answers both from shadow systems website. I would lean toward that they have now extended it to civilians as well. One answer is from a 2023 catalog and one is from the customer support page. I would think that the customer support page is more up to date than the catalog. I believe they have just made it so that the patriot + protector program is just for law enforcement and armed security. As they are a new company that has proven to be just as good as if not better than Glock and gaining popularity among Law Enforcement I’m not surprised they are starting to do better things like this. I would suggest if you are really curious reach out to shadow system or a dealer for them.
Shadow systems is local to me and they're pretty cool. I love my Glock but my shadow systems is right there with it in the carrier rotation. You really can't go wrong with either the Glock 19 or the shadow systems mr920. They're both good guns, but my favorite is my Glock 45. It holds a special place in my heart
Well, here is how I see it. The XR920 Foundation Series is $679. The Glock 45 is $569 at the same shop near me. 1. For less than the price difference, I can have an optic cut done on the Glock 45. 2. The XR920 has Magpul mags. Hate to say it, but nothing runs like Glock mags in Glock pattern pistols. Gonna have to buy two mags just to get back lost performance. 3. I still have enough money for some solid night sights on the Glock 45.
OR... an imported Derya Arms DY9. Bought one for $299, and just about every Glock 19 part fits, and it came with metal optics plates, 4 backstraps (3 plus the pre istalled one), and factory installed fiber optic front and rear sights... not to mention the styling looks way better than any "Block". 😂
I have carried an MR920 for years. It's never jammed, or had any issue ever. I love it. I liked it so much I got the DR920 for a bedside gun. Its worth the money for no other reason that it looks cool.
Thanks for being just a normal dude that makes informative videos. No theatrics, just like hanging out in the garage bullshitting. Appreciate you buddy.
Do you think it’s worth spending the extra money on an Trijicon rmr or just get a cylee? I ask because I see you using multiple cylees and also an rmr.
The entire point of a shadow system is the be just as reliable as a Glock (which it is) but to be geared toward those who are in law enforcement and armed security as they will give you a free replacement if you draw it and are active law enforcement or armed security. The iron sights are also much better as well as the sight mount. People like the poster ignore all of these facts when weighing the cost difference.
@@RungunBisnus it may not apply to most people, but if you support law enforcement then it’s still worth it. And congratulations on being able to build a gun, that wasn’t the point at all. The point is, is the gun worth the purchase. I’m pointing out that it is and giving information that most people don’t know.
Got my MR920L Elite on Black Friday for 569$ shipped. Just gotta hit the deals. Love my Glocks but also love my SS CR920 and MR920L especially with the 1/3 Co Witness Night Sights out of the box it’s a Pile Driver, also love the Flared mag well you don’t have to pay extra for, the Cuts, the Grips, etc. As long as you don’t overpay into Zev price territory there’s absolutely nothing wrong with Shadow Systems
Dude your shit is the reason I traded my mr920 elite for 43x, 17 gen3 with timney trigger, and a ddmk14 upper. It's crazy how much people will do for a look
I like to build them, but you can literall order a stripped glock OEM frame and build it out however you want. The Glock OEM parts kits are pretty cheap, that's what I get, and just replace the trigger . . . sometimes. Half the time I don't even replace the trigger. The glock OEM trigger is not bad. Sure, you could have a better trigger, but if you can't shoot your glock accurately with an OEM trigger, I have bad news, fancy trigger replacement ain't gonna fix that.
Overton, what's correct take on hammer fire vs striker fire? Still fairly new to shooting, so I don't even know what the argument is for or against either one.
Do have to say i respectfully disagree but i do understand your point OW. Went ahead and bought the MR920P and cant say anything bad about how its been feeling. I think the 300-ish difference is worth it for all the "nicer" things👍🏽
@OvertonWindex P is the flush comp version. Bought it cause it's shiny and new so maybe I'm a sucker for buying a new product. But Ignoring that. Optic mounting system Grip texture Slide serrations Suppressor height sights A better trigger (imo) Out of the box I'm aware you can upgrade all these things but it all comes in one nice neat package. And yea the looks are very neat so it's eye pleasing. Not saying it's a "glock killer". I will still end up buying a glock. But for a better looking glock that isn't a glock. It's a very nice gun.
I think the major benefit here is you get an extremely nice pistol on a platform thats tried and true. For any other brand like zev for example those are easily 2-4× the price of the shadow and arent any better than a regular glock either.
What are you saying? Makes it extremely nice? It’s exactly the same, a bit worse in several ways. It’s snappier, it shoots closer to a sub compact because it’s a little bit lighter in the wrong spots. The texture is whatever, it’s not a CCW texture. Slide locks back with one round in the chamber still 50% of the time….
@@OvertonWindex the slide and barrel were cut to be lighter than the glock slide so inherently it'll be more snappy. That's a subpar complaint. Slide lock? Try using different ammo or one of the different springs the gun comes with. You seem like a very competent person when it comes to guns so I'm sure you can figure it out. I own the DR920 Elite, I've had it for a few years now and never once have I had any slide lock issue, granted it's basically my lady's gun at this point because I don't want a pretty ass glock clone piece of shit. I'm waiting for my X5 Legion to go off so I can get that payday.
@@TheWeekendShooter308 the fuck would a different ammo do do slide lock? It’s not a subpar complaint. It’s a completely valid point. The thing is less pleasant to shoot that fla factory Glock…
But Glock doesn’t have a policy of replacing my 19 should I ever be forced to use it in a self defense situation, in which, it gets confiscated as part of “the investigation” into why some criminal doesn’t have lungs inside his body anymore.
I would agree that paying for the Elite model does not make sense practically, but some people like fancy shit lol. However, I would take a $680 Foundation over a Gen 5 MOS. You get things for that extra $50 that you would have to pay significantly more to get done after the fact to a Glock. Better grip texture/stippling, undercut trigger guard, and a killer optic mount. Not to mention Shadow's self defense "warranty".
@@OvertonWindex thank you Sir. we don't necessarily agree on every little thing, but I truly enjoy that you're not worshipping any sacred cows of the firearm industry. Thanks!
will glock replace your gun if you get it confiscated by the police after using it defensively? does glock have a life time warranty? is it an American made gun? and that not really a fair comparison. the standard mr920 is 670 and come optics ready. can say the same about a glock
@@madvillian7133 Times your gun is confiscated after a good shoot. Also, times there is a shoot... compared to every ccw-er in the country. That's selling fear. selling fear is gay.
@madvillian7133 pretty sure some glocks are made in Smyrna GA while some are made in Austria. American made isn't the same as it was in our dad or granddads day.
I always tell people. "If it looks like a Glock, feels like a Glock, takes Glock Mags, just buy a Glock" those p80s PSA Daggers and every other gun out there that they modeled after a Glock just isnt a real Glock.
My edc is a dr920l with rmr, surefire, arredondo+5s in trexarms. I have nearly 10k rounds through it so far. I like it. I shoot quite well with it. It makes me feel fancy as fuck. Next question.
A friend needed cash so I gave him $600 for his MR920 War Poet….and after watching this video, not much else to say, you nailed it. As usual. Keep up the great content! Glad to see you rolling full steam again!
The shadow systems triggers are noticeably worse than the stock gen 5 triggers in my experience. Way heavier and grittier. Also Glocks don’t need a break in
@@seanroberts381 haven’t tried the performance trigger, but the gen 5 trigger is pretty solid and is basically the bare minimum for a striker fired trigger. Whereas the shadow systems just feels like a gen 3 trigger, only heavier and grittier so worse in every possible way
The shadow systems is mainly just a gucci glock with the price tag to go along with it. I'd take a shadow systems over building a Glock, whenever I see glocks with "upgrades" people add, that's when they seem to have failures. I'd just rather buy a used G19 and get some extra mags and run that shit. Invest the extra money in ammo and some targets. If I'm going all gucci for eye candy and to look cool, I guess perhaps the TTI Canik or S&W 2.0 Competition Performance Center is what I'd go for, but I'm not one for looks, that's what my Deuce and half is for, the guns are for shooting and all of mine show signs of use and I'm okay with that.
@@OvertonWindex for sure, not saying that Glock isn't still sold at a good price for what you get. That $300 can be put towards a holster, belt, and ammo
Build a combat armory frame instead of buying a shadow systems. Very similair, but honestly tighter tolerances than oem or shadow, and none of the wiggly bullshit that PSA has. Ive got close to 4k through this build in the last year and while its wholly custom, all ive actually had to really do is change the spring weight on the guiderod cuz i have a comped slide from LFA. Buy oem, or build completely custom imo. Honestly there shouldnt really be an In-between.
I was about to get a shawdow system’s before i bought my last gun and snapped out of it like “wtf am i doing this is just a fancy ass glock”. Trigger feels damn near the exact same. Not worth it in my opinion.
Yeah I've definitely seen Shadow as a bit too overpriced. even coming equipped with all the stuff out the gate. But a G19 with custom stipple, threaded barrel, and a magwell flare and you'll still come out 100-150 cheaper than the 920. It just doesn't make sense to me personally, unless you want the name or want to do absolutely no work yourself.
The optic system, grip angle, and 100% the texture, the foundation series is roughly the same price as the Glock gen 5 mos, personally I think their both great guns, although I do prefer the out of the box grip on shadow systems as appose to sending a Glock off to have it stippled and all that jazz
I have a CR920P, 2k rounds, no flaws. Love the grip angle,texture and comp. If you’re worried about money or this guys opinion, buy a Glock. Both are fine guns.
Well you have to know here in California (they're going on roster) we'll be spraying our shorts because we're still kicking around with Gen 3 Glocks, that said I kinda like em...got 5 of em. 2 by 19, 2 by 34 and 1 by 20SF *shrug*
I built my own Glock with factory oem internals. I just wanted a cool looking slide and frame but with Glock reliability. Let me have my fun Lord Overton 😭
Thanks for that because i've had a glock 19 for awhile and was considering SS. The glock clone I do really like right now is the Bul Axe Hatchet. It's got metal guide rod and rear sight, a couple other things i'd consider an improvement. I'd love to see your thoughts on the israeli glock bros!
I picked up my MR920 combat with an optic cut for $700. Better opitc cut then glock, better grip and grip angle, better sights, better trigger. Life time warranty and the will replace my gun if i ever have to use in for self-defense and the cops take it. Sorry bud bud but this is what glock should be.
Ive agreed with alot Overton has said, ive disagreed with some of them as well. He couldn't be more right imo. The only SS thats innovative in anyway imo is the cr920.
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Is there a reason you rock back and forth?
Yes. Stupid little thing I heard that I thought I'd test out over the next couple months. As the guruism goes... It's supposed to improve "natural aiming point" and/ or "point shooting".... We will see. I'm pretty dialed already so I can't see it making much of a difference.
@OvertonWindex I can see how it could be helpful for a new shooter, thanks for the info
Autism
I thought it was autism, like me
“No porn addiction out here” 😂😂😂 you’re right about the gun. Only big plus side of the shadow systems is their direct mounting system which is top notch.
Just bought the MR920 for $450 . And holy shit what a difference it makes compared to a glock.
Lair
Sure, but dump a little bit into the Glock and it's a lot better and it's a Glock, reliable as the day is long. That said almost anything you do to a Glock will only make it less reliable even if more shootable.
@JamesReedy I don't upgrade guns. I use them as they are. I've owned every glock under the sun, and i still say M&P is far more superior and doesn't get the recognition it deserves. I own Fn's currently and in the past and other platforms.
@DO_419 If I could post a pic of the price tag, you'll definitely not judge anyone anymore. And it's spelled *Liar*
@@alwaysnmymind4705 yeah I just put together a M&P M2.0 Compact Carry Comp. I had to buy a non-comp California compliant gun, sourced a new comp slide, barrel and recoil spring and then got a new non-California sear block to remove the MDM. It may end up replacing my G19 on my permit, we shall see.
I love his obsession with Glocks more than he loves Glocks
Better trigger, better optic mounting system, better grip angel, co witness without suppressor height sights, the stippling does make it stick to your hands better, better slide serrations, a fluted barrel, slide cutouts, threaded barrel, it weighs less, and the barrel is also better quality than the basic Glock. It’s disingenuous to say there are “literally zero improvements”
OK everything you said was true except for the better trigger part. Shadow systems trigger sucks, not just comparing it to a Glock trigger but it’s $900 price tag. It doesn’t have to be apex level but it should be at least CZ or PDP level.
@@popa213 Trigger on my mr920 is great. Comparable to an Apex trigger in a gen 5 19. I compared them side by side and other than the trigger shoe's feeling different they were the same.
@@fullfire0 by your reply I can tell you’ve never pulled an apex trigger 😂. Shadow Systems trigger will never compare.
@@popa213 Lol okay
My buddy has the MR920 it’s pretty solid. Love the texture and the shelf where I rest my thumbs. Trigger is great very easy to get on the gas. I’m left handed and prefer ambi slide releases so I’ll stick with my Glock, but I might find myself owning a shadow systems soon enough
The shadow systems for $900 at msrp but in store really more like $7-800your getting a rmr ready slide a threaded barrel, night sights, slide serrations and ports stippeled grip and an extended mag well. Get all that with a glock your spending probably around $1200. Ive have both my self but ended up keeping the DR920
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@@OvertonWindex getting threaded barrels is a pain in the dick though. Jarvis Customs has been hilding my money like they're working for social security.
Probably everyone does or graduates to a Sig, except for Overton Glocklover.
I have and like my mr920 as well.
Those new sigs are trash bro. If you dont want a glock or glock model pistol, grab a CZ/smith/beretta. Thay all shit all over those sigs quality wise @brianfidler2439
The grip angle and adjustable backstraps is way better than glock imo. The new mr920p and xr920p have an improved trigger too.
Glock owners are definitely the new fudds.
Cope with your substandard pistol.
Says the Hi-Point gun owner. 😢😅
If you own multiple guns.. you most likely have a Glock or 2 in there.. so that would be most people? Glock is a great gun.. it’s ok if you’re brand new just say that
Truth! And now watch em all get triggered lol
Neofuds
Next time compare the $670 mr920 to the $650 Glock 19 mos and don’t skip over the whole optics plate issue.
The shadows systems optic system is definitely better. He clearly didn't take the slide apart. And it has awesome irons.
This tbh
Are you deliberately lying about the MR 920 elite price? Or are you just retarded?
Literally LMAO i just bought an MR920L...it wasnt cheap but as a non-glock guy i gotta say it may have changed my stance a little. FYI im a Canik and Rock island guy@@OvertonWindex
Think he’s talking about the combat model, as opposed to the elite
Mr920 elite owner. $600 out the door at a great falls pawn shop. I prefer the grip angle of the shadow systems over the glock.
Yeah and you can change the angle with different back straps. Comes with optional flared magwell. Great optics plate system. Good stipple on the grip and great trigger. Dude is high
@Chaosmos_1349 also has the molded gas pedal and rmr cut not some mos crap
920 is way better.
@@Chaosmos_1349yea the mr920 is a much better gun. Bro even said they recoil more than a glock. What? 😂😂
Them: “Glocks are so ugly”
Shadow Systems: “hold my beer”
did you just speak of the Dagger in the positive? wowzers!
😅😅😅😅 I was shocked. The shadow system must really be shit
I had to re-watch it to be sure I heard that correctly....
As a range toy to play kitchen gunsmith on is what I heard.
@@acester86 baby steps....
I like how he glosses over the fact that shadow systems include a self defense warranty so if you need to use it for a justified shoot and it get confiscated.
You can contact them and they will send you another shadow while yours is in the evidence locker.
Or buy like 3 psa daggers.
I didn’t even know that… but it is completely irrelevant to literally everything.
He also only talks about the most expensive version and not the foundation series that’s only $20 more than the Glock MOS and refers to the Glock being $500 when that’s not the optics ready version.
Yeah apples to gucci apples, the base model of both guns.
The shadow system foundation series still gives optics cut with lower 1/3 irons and a nice frame cut for your support hand.
Broken in glock will shoot just as nice as the mr920 “upgraded” from what ive shot.
At the end of the day, its a tool and train what you got.
@@DankasorusRex how but fuck retarded can you people be? I mean, seriously. Were you literally conceived in the butt?
What the dog water does that matter? I’ve got the version that’s $400 more. It’s not better than the factory Glock. Are you seriously asking if the $20 version is better? Where are you losing the plot here?
@@DankasorusRex I bought a g47 mos for 450
I am not about to fully defend a Glock clone over a Glock. But you gotta admit the mounting systems on a Shadow System is better.
Everything is better
My dot direct mounts and I've never had an optic come off or had issues mounting one. The shadow systems are a cool idea but not 900 to 1000 cool. My 43x is my only glock with extra stuff and I'm still under price of some then or same price. I'd take a glock over a clone any day
@@Mr.Bonez2Go well, I didn’t spend close to $900. But arguing a pair of larger screws with more thread engagement and bolting straight to the slide is somehow less effective than two tiny screws that hold your MOS plate to the slide, then two more of those tiny screws to hold the optic to the plate, is ridiculous. I didn’t say it doesn’t come with a price, but less points of contact and beefing up those points of contact is just better. That’s all.
It’s only 75.00 more than a MOS, and well worth every penny.
no it's not, and no it's not.
Glock 19 MOS on bass pro: 650
SS MR920 Foundation on bass pro: 679
Only 29 dollars more?
The thing that bothers me about posts like this is that the ignore the fact that the company will replace the gun if you have to draw it as long as you are law enforcement or armed security. They also let you keep the replacement when you receive your original gun back. They also ignore that the iron sights are better and the sight mount is better. If you are in law enforcement or do armed security then the shadow system is just better.
Oh that's only law enforcement not average joe?
@@ZuZaarr to the best of my knowledge it is only law enforcement and armed security. There are companies like USCCA that will give you a check for the value of your gun go the average joe but shadow system only replaces it if you are law enforcement for armed security
@@ZuZaarr so after looking into it to verify my knowledge I’m getting two different answers both from shadow systems website. I would lean toward that they have now extended it to civilians as well. One answer is from a 2023 catalog and one is from the customer support page. I would think that the customer support page is more up to date than the catalog. I believe they have just made it so that the patriot + protector program is just for law enforcement and armed security. As they are a new company that has proven to be just as good as if not better than Glock and gaining popularity among Law Enforcement I’m not surprised they are starting to do better things like this. I would suggest if you are really curious reach out to shadow system or a dealer for them.
@@ZuZaarr it is any lawful self defense usage, law enforcement, security or civilian
@@ZuZaarr No, it's standard policy for any shadow systems owner
Shadow systems is local to me and they're pretty cool. I love my Glock but my shadow systems is right there with it in the carrier rotation. You really can't go wrong with either the Glock 19 or the shadow systems mr920. They're both good guns, but my favorite is my Glock 45. It holds a special place in my heart
Well, here is how I see it. The XR920 Foundation Series is $679. The Glock 45 is $569 at the same shop near me.
1. For less than the price difference, I can have an optic cut done on the Glock 45.
2. The XR920 has Magpul mags. Hate to say it, but nothing runs like Glock mags in Glock pattern pistols. Gonna have to buy two mags just to get back lost performance.
3. I still have enough money for some solid night sights on the Glock 45.
It's got a sweet adjustable grip, unlike Block, so you can shoot the dang thing 😂
Are you drunk? Glock has swappable grips bud..
@OvertonWindex sensitive are we lol? Geez u block guys get triggered....
OR... an imported Derya Arms DY9. Bought one for $299, and just about every Glock 19 part fits, and it came with metal optics plates, 4 backstraps (3 plus the pre istalled one), and factory installed fiber optic front and rear sights... not to mention the styling looks way better than any "Block". 😂
I have carried an MR920 for years. It's never jammed, or had any issue ever. I love it. I liked it so much I got the DR920 for a bedside gun. Its worth the money for no other reason that it looks cool.
Absolutely melanated taste
@@ProfessionalPregumin O........k.........
The base model mr920 was on sale all last summer at a local place in my area for $499
Thanks for being just a normal dude that makes informative videos. No theatrics, just like hanging out in the garage bullshitting. Appreciate you buddy.
Do you think it’s worth spending the extra money on an Trijicon rmr or just get a cylee? I ask because I see you using multiple cylees and also an rmr.
The shawdow system looks like a glock that went to california to get a movie career but wasnt really good at acting.
The entire point of a shadow system is the be just as reliable as a Glock (which it is) but to be geared toward those who are in law enforcement and armed security as they will give you a free replacement if you draw it and are active law enforcement or armed security. The iron sights are also much better as well as the sight mount. People like the poster ignore all of these facts when weighing the cost difference.
@@Moisttowellet44 lmao I've built a better gun for the same price.
@@Moisttowellet44 so the majority of consumers don't qualify as M/LE, which means the price is to cover the replacement of other people's guns.
@@RungunBisnus it may not apply to most people, but if you support law enforcement then it’s still worth it. And congratulations on being able to build a gun, that wasn’t the point at all. The point is, is the gun worth the purchase. I’m pointing out that it is and giving information that most people don’t know.
@@Moisttowellet44damn let CBP know that. I’d love one
Taurus TH9 is like $300 and I have treated it like crap and haven't cleaned it to see when it'll jam or break. So far still pretty smooth.
If you build your own Glock you are gonna spend 2-3K
Got my MR920L Elite on Black Friday for 569$ shipped. Just gotta hit the deals. Love my Glocks but also love my SS CR920 and MR920L especially with the 1/3 Co Witness Night Sights out of the box it’s a Pile Driver, also love the Flared mag well you don’t have to pay extra for, the Cuts, the Grips, etc. As long as you don’t overpay into Zev price territory there’s absolutely nothing wrong with Shadow Systems
Maybe don’t be broke and the $400 difference isn’t a problem🤷♂️
A difference of 1200 rounds in price. Or a weekend at the range.
Honestly, i just like them because they make glocks attractive. Glock is a great gun, but it has about as much curb appeal as a hipoint.
If im spending more than a PSA dagger(just as reliable as g19) im going fir a sig p226 or p229
Grip angle and you can change the back strap and flared mag well if on so chooses.
Just curious, how many barrels have you been through with the glock?
factory barrel. extractor and recoil spring have been replaced at least twice
Favorite firearms channel.
Period.
The optic mounting on the MR920 is far better than the mounting plate system Glock has. It's solid.
That Glock has 15k worth of 9mm ammo (if you paid .25 pr) through it?
Dude your shit is the reason I traded my mr920 elite for 43x, 17 gen3 with timney trigger, and a ddmk14 upper. It's crazy how much people will do for a look
What optic and holster are you using for your glock 19
“No Porn addiction out here”
Amen brother, amen.
im curious to this tran shit about him comes from? it's aint true ???
I like to build them, but you can literall order a stripped glock OEM frame and build it out however you want. The Glock OEM parts kits are pretty cheap, that's what I get, and just replace the trigger . . . sometimes. Half the time I don't even replace the trigger. The glock OEM trigger is not bad. Sure, you could have a better trigger, but if you can't shoot your glock accurately with an OEM trigger, I have bad news, fancy trigger replacement ain't gonna fix that.
What are your thoughts on the Ruger American Competition Pistol? Are they worth the money, or are they trash
Oh man I’ve never even heard of it. But probably… get the Canuck sfx rival or tti instead.
Overton, what's correct take on hammer fire vs striker fire?
Still fairly new to shooting, so I don't even know what the argument is for or against either one.
The argument FOR external hammer, is you’re stuck in 1981 and you need a gun.
This isn’t a conversation anymore. (For duty guns)
@@OvertonWindexi can’t even begin…
Hammer fire is for Elmer Fudd, strike fire is for bad boys 😂
@@Sigenjoyer9000
Elmer used a long gun.
Marvin used a hammerless pistol type of weapon, though?
I like 1981… and now.
What’s your opinion on the p80 kits for the Glocks? I’m thinking about building a p80 Glock 19
Definitely don’t pay the retail price for one. However I picked on up for $580 and found it worth it.
Ill stick to glock mainly because both my friends 920s had to be sent back to shadow systems for all the failures
Why do you not like the dagger?
Shadow systems will replace your firearm if you’re in a legal defense situation and the gov doesn’t return your firearm.
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That’s pretty based…
Show me one g19 build that breaks even with the mr920 build
My factory 19
When shadow systems came out, they were affordable. Now they’re so damn expensive. I don’t think they are worth it personally.
Do have to say i respectfully disagree but i do understand your point OW. Went ahead and bought the MR920P and cant say anything bad about how its been feeling. I think the 300-ish difference is worth it for all the "nicer" things👍🏽
What’s nicer about yours?
@OvertonWindex P is the flush comp version. Bought it cause it's shiny and new so maybe I'm a sucker for buying a new product. But Ignoring that.
Optic mounting system
Grip texture
Slide serrations
Suppressor height sights
A better trigger (imo)
Out of the box
I'm aware you can upgrade all these things but it all comes in one nice neat package.
And yea the looks are very neat so it's eye pleasing. Not saying it's a "glock killer". I will still end up buying a glock. But for a better looking glock that isn't a glock. It's a very nice gun.
G19 5G MOS = $689.99 in Northern Michigan competitive. Tony is trying for $749.99.
It's nuts.
I think the major benefit here is you get an extremely nice pistol on a platform thats tried and true. For any other brand like zev for example those are easily 2-4× the price of the shadow and arent any better than a regular glock either.
What are you saying? Makes it extremely nice? It’s exactly the same, a bit worse in several ways. It’s snappier, it shoots closer to a sub compact because it’s a little bit lighter in the wrong spots. The texture is whatever, it’s not a CCW texture. Slide locks back with one round in the chamber still 50% of the time….
@@OvertonWindex the slide and barrel were cut to be lighter than the glock slide so inherently it'll be more snappy. That's a subpar complaint. Slide lock? Try using different ammo or one of the different springs the gun comes with. You seem like a very competent person when it comes to guns so I'm sure you can figure it out. I own the DR920 Elite, I've had it for a few years now and never once have I had any slide lock issue, granted it's basically my lady's gun at this point because I don't want a pretty ass glock clone piece of shit. I'm waiting for my X5 Legion to go off so I can get that payday.
@@TheWeekendShooter308 the fuck would a different ammo do do slide lock? It’s not a subpar complaint. It’s a completely valid point. The thing is less pleasant to shoot that fla factory Glock…
@@OvertonWindex Mine must just be better than yours bud darn. Still a decent looking gun for 2 times less than a zev
Still have yet to see someone explain just why carrying a Glock is more reliable than a dagger.
But Glock doesn’t have a policy of replacing my 19 should I ever be forced to use it in a self defense situation, in which, it gets confiscated as part of “the investigation” into why some criminal doesn’t have lungs inside his body anymore.
I have a CR920, a G19 and a Dagger my CR920 combat is light-years about the other 2.
PS. I paid $575+t for my SS.
I have to say i appreciate your opinion but most people would disagree i have a mr920 elite and i love it if only pistol i think beats it is the p10c
The self defense warranty alone is worth the extra money.
Wrong. Completely retarded sale of fear.
I would agree that paying for the Elite model does not make sense practically, but some people like fancy shit lol. However, I would take a $680 Foundation over a Gen 5 MOS. You get things for that extra $50 that you would have to pay significantly more to get done after the fact to a Glock. Better grip texture/stippling, undercut trigger guard, and a killer optic mount. Not to mention Shadow's self defense "warranty".
this is the format of videos i subscribed for!
Well, the 13th is when we fire back up again. I’m literally on a break. It’ll be nuts, five videos of day is the plan.
Well, four and a live stream
@@OvertonWindex thank you Sir. we don't necessarily agree on every little thing, but I truly enjoy that you're not worshipping any sacred cows of the firearm industry. Thanks!
I’ve had both I love the shadow systems mr920 elite but all in all just a expensive glock 19
Why specifically do you love it over just a factory Glock 19?
will glock replace your gun if you get it confiscated by the police after using it defensively? does glock have a life time warranty? is it an American made gun? and that not really a fair comparison. the standard mr920 is 670 and come optics ready. can say the same about a glock
who cares? Give me a percentage.
@OvertonWindex percentage of what? standard model for standard model the mr920 is a better deal.
@@madvillian7133 Times your gun is confiscated after a good shoot. Also, times there is a shoot... compared to every ccw-er in the country.
That's selling fear. selling fear is gay.
@madvillian7133 pretty sure some glocks are made in Smyrna GA while some are made in Austria. American made isn't the same as it was in our dad or granddads day.
@@OvertonWindex selling fear is definitely gay, but the possibility of it happening is definitely there. better to have it and not need it.
I always tell people.
"If it looks like a Glock, feels like a Glock, takes Glock Mags, just buy a Glock" those p80s PSA Daggers and every other gun out there that they modeled after a Glock just isnt a real Glock.
You did not address the chanclas vs. "tactical" footwear. This is where the true tactical advantage lies, padawan.
You should do a comparison with the MR920P Elite and a glock 19 with ramjet+afterburner
Love these comparisons
My edc is a dr920l with rmr, surefire, arredondo+5s in trexarms. I have nearly 10k rounds through it so far. I like it. I shoot quite well with it. It makes me feel fancy as fuck. Next question.
A friend needed cash so I gave him $600 for his MR920 War Poet….and after watching this video, not much else to say, you nailed it. As usual. Keep up the great content! Glad to see you rolling full steam again!
Ohhhh nooo.... the war poet one was just as underwhelming?
The shadow systems triggers are noticeably worse than the stock gen 5 triggers in my experience. Way heavier and grittier. Also Glocks don’t need a break in
Really? Interesting. Was curious how the shadow systems trigger was versus the GPT.
@@seanroberts381 haven’t tried the performance trigger, but the gen 5 trigger is pretty solid and is basically the bare minimum for a striker fired trigger. Whereas the shadow systems just feels like a gen 3 trigger, only heavier and grittier so worse in every possible way
Shadow systems foundation series is also a choice. Usually only $80 more than standard mos
The shadow systems is mainly just a gucci glock with the price tag to go along with it. I'd take a shadow systems over building a Glock, whenever I see glocks with "upgrades" people add, that's when they seem to have failures. I'd just rather buy a used G19 and get some extra mags and run that shit. Invest the extra money in ammo and some targets. If I'm going all gucci for eye candy and to look cool, I guess perhaps the TTI Canik or S&W 2.0 Competition Performance Center is what I'd go for, but I'm not one for looks, that's what my Deuce and half is for, the guns are for shooting and all of mine show signs of use and I'm okay with that.
The G19 MOS is not sold anywhere for less than $600
Ah.. I lose track. Either way, save 300 instead of 400
Picked up a G45 mos for 490 last year for 490 before tax thru GSSF. G19 mos is the same price.
@@OvertonWindex for sure, not saying that Glock isn't still sold at a good price for what you get. That $300 can be put towards a holster, belt, and ammo
@@Phantom-38 300 is a single decent range day. If 300 makes a difference for you... you've got way bigger problems.
I always think you have cat ears on for a half second lmao
Build a combat armory frame instead of buying a shadow systems. Very similair, but honestly tighter tolerances than oem or shadow, and none of the wiggly bullshit that PSA has. Ive got close to 4k through this build in the last year and while its wholly custom, all ive actually had to really do is change the spring weight on the guiderod cuz i have a comped slide from LFA. Buy oem, or build completely custom imo. Honestly there shouldnt really be an In-between.
I really like my freedom dagger I built shoots great and picked what I wanted
I love my PSA dagger. Best $300 weapon I have purchased.
I was about to get a shawdow system’s before i bought my last gun and snapped out of it like “wtf am i doing this is just a fancy ass glock”. Trigger feels damn near the exact same. Not worth it in my opinion.
I haven’t shot one yet but checking one out at my shop didn’t convince me. Felt like a cheap toy compared to a Glock.
Feels like an actual p80 build
Yeah I've definitely seen Shadow as a bit too overpriced. even coming equipped with all the stuff out the gate. But a G19 with custom stipple, threaded barrel, and a magwell flare and you'll still come out 100-150 cheaper than the 920. It just doesn't make sense to me personally, unless you want the name or want to do absolutely no work yourself.
The optic system, grip angle, and 100% the texture, the foundation series is roughly the same price as the Glock gen 5 mos, personally I think their both great guns, although I do prefer the out of the box grip on shadow systems as appose to sending a Glock off to have it stippled and all that jazz
Only problem I see.... Its not a stock Gen 3 with some better sights (not necessary though).
I have a CR920P, 2k rounds, no flaws. Love the grip angle,texture and comp. If you’re worried about money or this guys opinion, buy a Glock. Both are fine guns.
First time I saw one of those SS, I thought they'd just done a P80 build. It's Polymer80 that someone gucci'd up. Build your own.
Exactly
I actually bought a dagger and replaced all the dagger parts with aftermarket and funny enough shadow systems parts and I love it. Lol
it really annoys me when people call their PSA dagger’s, or any other clone, a glock. they’re simply not glocks. call a spade a spade.
HooooBoy! PSA Dagger over the 920... Some fanbois about to be maaaad! 🤭
Love my DR920, wouldn’t ever trade it.
Yesssssss finally some confirmation 💯💯💯💯💯💯🤣😂😂
Well you have to know here in California (they're going on roster) we'll be spraying our shorts because we're still kicking around with Gen 3 Glocks, that said I kinda like em...got 5 of em. 2 by 19, 2 by 34 and 1 by 20SF *shrug*
“Perfection” is apparently a religion. The dogma is strong with this one.
Yeah, he cool, but definitely a glock cultist lol
I built my own Glock with factory oem internals. I just wanted a cool looking slide and frame but with Glock reliability. Let me have my fun Lord Overton 😭
Were you shooting that Glock to jingle bells or hwhat
Thanks for that because i've had a glock 19 for awhile and was considering SS. The glock clone I do really like right now is the Bul Axe Hatchet. It's got metal guide rod and rear sight, a couple other things i'd consider an improvement. I'd love to see your thoughts on the israeli glock bros!
I picked up my MR920 combat with an optic cut for $700. Better opitc cut then glock, better grip and grip angle, better sights, better trigger. Life time warranty and the will replace my gun if i ever have to use in for self-defense and the cops take it. Sorry bud bud but this is what glock should be.
Ive agreed with alot Overton has said, ive disagreed with some of them as well.
He couldn't be more right imo. The only SS thats innovative in anyway imo is the cr920.
Love PSA dagger. Say whatever you want. Never had any malfs.
Hearing a certain demographic of people be obsessed with trans and gay people is still as wild as ever
Hey Overton, brother I FUCKING love that your headset are cat ears, purposeful or not..
+1 hearing
"Buy a psa dagger." - overton windex
Guccis look cool yet there are cheap ways to make Glocks "Look" badass. IMO worn Glo ks look the best
NOPE building ANYTHING like the shadow systems Elite guns is WAAAAAY more expensive lol.
Where do you live?