It was so rare to even see these on the showroom. They didn't sell enough because they didn't make enough. These bean counters are so dumb, this was one of the few bikes in the lineup that actually had some value to it. I think I really hate these people.
Harley CEO isn't even American. I mean, that wouldn't bother me so much if he actually cared about the brand and the company. Him and the board are running the Moco into the ground.
Road King standard (i call it the RK classic) comes with it as well. I sure hope they keep the Road King Standard around even if its 114... im not big on the blacked out road king special
I noticed aftermarket parts catalogs don't list the Standard very often. I usually look up the Street Bob for parts since they're basically the same bike but blacked out. I'm curious what the production figures of the Standard were from 2020 to 2022.
I couldn’t find any numbers for individual unit sales, total units for 2022 were 117, 000 I’d estimate 10-15% were FXST’s. But yeah using a street bob in search will lead you to proper fit parts for sure.
May I ask, how much did you it cost to built it out? I’m looking at getting the 2023 and I wanted to add a faces shield and sissy bar on the back. I’m interested because it fits my lifestyle I will in NYC and I don’t have to road space to make long trips.
@@jirivera1999 Sure! I’ll list it here: Viking Skarner lockable Saddlebags - $250 Tail light relocation kit - $100 Harley sissy bar - $230 Engine Guard/Highway bar - $200 Memphis Shades Road Warrior w/15” vented shield- $500 Harley Sundowner Seat - $375 So $1,655 all together. Roughly. It’ll be a bit more with tax.
I cant say I'm sad to see the latest sportster axed and would like to see many of the recent big twin changes reversed or only supplied as options. For years the Japanese tried and failed miserably to take the cruiser style and market and now it seems Harley management are obsessed with copying the very machines that their customers had avoided by staying brand loyal. Chrome??? Its upto the customer. Isn't it? Maybe an option for black or smoked chrome could be a good choice.
@@richardlee2488 oh no i absolutely agree. ive owned blacked out bikes and chromed out bikes both have their place... harley should definitely offer both. the street bob with the 114 would be sick with chrome bars chrome forks and chrome exhaust.... i like blacked out too though.
It most definitely is. New one is 3.4 gallons old one is 5 gallons. Same for dyna street bob and fat bob of old and the current ones. Less is more? Pfft.
I think the standard low rider should have stayed. At it's price and what you got, THAT was the softail standard and would probably sell very well as the S model is getting so close to 20k msrp
My realistically obtainable favorite model - actually favorite period. I hadn't seen it around for a while so I thought it was already gone. Who else thinks they are going in the wrong direction? Soon they'll be left with only goofy over stylized models or God forbid, all electric. 👎
All electric, sheesh! But by 2035 some motorcycle companies have targeted that date as the year when they will cease gas powered power plants, 13 years from now.
@@KennyQuestShow soon all cars, motorcycle, lawn care, and all gasoline engines will be extinct. I think the government is going to pass a law that prohibits manufacture of them by a certain date. Maybe like 20-30 years from now.
yep it was a short run. 2020-2022... the 20 and 21 models had beautiful spoked wheels... i was never fond of the name. should have just been called the street bob classic...
Damn, everyone eulogizing a bike that isn’t even dead. I got a 23 and the 24s are out now. Don’t know about Harley’s future plans with the bike, but it’s alive and well now, despite all the posters pointing out why it had to die.
You havent seen my softail build harkening back to the yesteryears of choppers. Looks stock but has staggered turnouts, extended front end, USB caddy delete, custom sissy bar, stage 1 cam, cherokee seat, flipped mirrors, etc.
@@KennyQuestShow thanks buddy. All the best. They are out there. Albeit not as popular as the roadglide builds with chiseled bars and willie G skill pieces
Awesome, congrats. Are you going to send them out to powder coat or get chromed through the dealer or look at other wheel options? @throttleblip9854 chose some cool 5 spoke wheels check ‘em out ruclips.net/video/l16M1sG1Bk4/видео.html
Will they cut the remaining 107 bikes? Yes, yes they will. It’s just shocking to me how easily and readily Harley Davidson will axe a bike rather than try to make it more appealing to potential customers. The fact that people went for the street Bob over the standard simply means that the standard is way too damn expensive for what you get. Besides, now it can’t compete with the nightmare bike for price. So even more people will be buying the street Bob over the Harley Davidson rebel 975. Which is also drastically overpriced. I swear man, it’s almost like Harley is being ran by a shoe salesman……..oh yeah, it is.
Lol..yeah he created collaborations with celebrities and introduced limited edition styles of shoes, looks like it’s the same game plan here. Their focus is on the Icon, special and CVO models.
Welp i wanted the standard last year, when i purchased a 21 bob instead due to the fact that "NO" standards on the floor, and arrent moving anything like the bobs according to the salesman that went over my purchase.
From a sales perspective for a buyer not looking to immediately customize I get it. That type of purpose buyer comes looking for the standard in the used market.
@@KennyQuestShow A used market it was actually, the dealership I go to had an 04 softard standard now that I think about it. I forget what the asking price was, but the bank hit me with a big NO since the bikes age and 18k on the clock, but would work with me on a brand new street bob. But then again I could've gotten one of the newer standards but there where none of the newer ones on the floor.
Just saw another Harley creator yesterday and we discussed this in person, Throttle Blip and I both agreed the 107 has been deemed of little value in the line up and is unlikely to return.
@@KennyQuestShow Yeah that's the rumor floating around.. Thanks … I don't think gunship Gray is gonna come back either I heard there was a bunch of people bitching about it that owned CVO's... My buddy works at a dealership here in Michigan says they were flooded with complaints of CVO owners Bitching...
Damn. One of the TRUE 70’s looking bikes out there but imo- the bars and mid pegs are super uncomfortable. So I get it. They need a Low Rider M8 with a good paint job. No cowl or any of the ST stuff. Just black n Chrome.
It’s an awesome bike. Comfortable and can be bad ass with a few mods. You should be able to find a ‘22 if you want the mag wheels and I see several on cycle trader app if you like the spoked look.
They certainly don’t have the same feel. The motor company executives argue that a 69 Camaro SS and the new SS have a similar detachment and that’s called modernization. If consumers don’t buy the new models then the motor company won’t build them. Consumers control the long term narrative
Lol, it seems entry models have three lives, the first is new riders, then after trade in, riders who want a affordable Harley and lastly after it’s 5 years + old, customizers and builders who seek an affordable platform to create a custom bike.
6 weeks ago I was picking up parts & new bike shopping. I was seriously thinking Road King. The GM at the local dealer told me the Softail Std, Sporties, and the base Road King were gone. I whined a little, not a fan of the RK special. Not really a fan of the M8's in general, lost the iconic rock and roll pop corn machine effect... What MOCO has accomplished in me, is I am stopping, but not only the HD line. Can't say I have ever had those thoughts in the last 40 years.
The moco has this strategy called “hardwired” and it’s goal is to only offer the most popular models and the most desirable (in their opinion). Anyone who doesn’t agree or has a interest in a past model can buy a “certified” pre-owned model or go buy a Indian or a foreign bike. They don’t understand why anyone would not buy a bagger or a premium m8 equipped model. Times have changed, but profits are up too, so there’s that.
@@TheDans7300 I highly recommend a used model regardless of brand. Re-sale prices are set by age and miles that means a fully modded bike is the same value as a stock one
Yep, me too! So the dealer on camera comment in my video was wrong and that teaches me that even dealers can’t speculate properly 3 months out from the new model year
The newer affordable bikes look too much like indian and other competitors, Harley is copied but seem they want to copy others now. They are losing sight of entry level.
@@KennyQuestShow air cooled is out for emissions reasons but the entry level thing is going to be a struggle in the bigger marketplace. Buell had the right ideas but lost the HD backing. Lead a horse to water.....
@@richardlee2488 HD has struck a deal with a China manufacturer to make a small displacement bike with HD badging for the Asia market (India, etc). Air cooled isn’t dead in the U.S. market just yet
@@KennyQuestShow I guess they got the idea from the likes of AJS and I seem to remember also BSA which was s short come back during the early eighties. Perhaps HD have forgotten the disaster of aermachi?
Harley, like all bike companies are in trouble. This generation of younger folks are very risk averse and have no interest in bikes and very little interest in cars. Unfortunately, Harley has become a t-shirt company that sells Grandpa Bikes. They lost any claim to performance to the Brit Bikes in the 1960's and then Honda etc. crushed them by 1970. Because of their inability to attract younger riders (the average Harley rider is well over 55) they will perish before the other makers. They continue to miss the mark with their Sportster S for example. No younger rider would even consider one, over a far better performing sport bike (even if they could afford one). And yes I'm an old guy who has ridden just about everything from drag bikes to mopeds.
Whether through nostalgia or underground culture air cooled Harley’s will be with us. As for retaining at 35-40 percent market share in 10 years, not likely unless they offer bikes that look good and perform good in the categories folks are interested in.
@@KennyQuestShow I hope I'm wrong but if you crunch the numbers, Harley doesn't have the money. They are a very small company, compared to Honda or Bombardier. Unless they are acquired by a much larger company, I doubt they will be able to to compete in the long term. Plus the current management doesn't seem to have "Fire in the belly" for motorcycles. Hopefully, they will survive?
@@risby1930 gross profit has risen in double digits on lower unit sales figures under the current hardwired strategy. Gross profit dollars are higher than previous years. Can Harley be bought? Yes they are publicly traded and 22% stake ownership gets you a seat at the boardroom table. VW bought Ducati and Lamborghini, they could buy Harley. Royal Enfield hired a bunch of former HD executives from the previous regime, they could be a player. Harley is large enough to withstand a 10x earnings buyout, that would be a $53 billion dollar deal, Honda maybe could make that offer. Maybe.
Enfield's management has certainly pushed the company forward in the last few years, so maybe those old Harley guys have done well for the company. I know Harley was once pitched to Honda, but my understanding was it wasn't a good fit at the time, so it never got very far. The problem with Harley is they don't have products outside of bikes to take up the slack when luxury items are not purchased. Unlike all the bikes (we don't get in the U. S.) that are used for transportation across the world that are not for pleasure. Having lived in Europe and Asia there is a huge market for 250cc bikes (it's very expensive to own anything larger, because of insane taxes once you pass the 250cc size). Enjoy your channel an ride safe.
@@risby1930 thank you! Also big thanks for commenting and sharing your thoughts. HD has decided to partner with China OEM’s just as BMW, KTM and Triumph have for smaller CC bike offerings. It is my understanding HD will release a 352cc for Asia via this China vendor next year.
If Harley wants to appeal to millennials and gen z they need to lower their prices. I'm a millennial born in 85' and I have loved Harley Davidson my whole life. My father and everyone he knew had a customized Harley. I bought a used 2001 sportster about 10 years ago because I couldn't afford a new one. I just got hit by a car two weeks ago and it's probably going to get totaled. Now I'm at this point in my life im making really good money. I like to get a new street bob. I still can't afford one they cost way too much. Between mortgage, bills and stuff for the kids. There's no way. Other motorcycle manufacturers are selling their bikes way cheaper for better performing options. That's why they are losing gen z and millennials.
It took me from 2008 until 2020 to save up enough money to pay for my sportster plus riding gear and accessories for cash out the door. I hear you. Luckily Harley owns two banks so if have $3k you can take a Street Bob home, even with a marginal credit rating. It’s easier to finance than a used bike. However if you can pay cash for it it will save you in the long run. 2018-2019 street bobs are $11-$13k with no extra fees like new bikes perhaps consider one of those and get the anilator mag wheels and a tank paint job later on if your really into the 2022 look of the FXSB.
@@KennyQuestShow in my area the Milwaukee 8 street bobs are 16k even used. Dyna street bobs are over 14k. That's still about $300 a month for something that is a luxury item and I can only ride part of the year. Just saying that's why Harley is losing younger customers.
@@blg020 that’s why for my big twin purchase I bought used and what I could afford $5k for a Softail. A 02 FXDT can be found for $8k a EVO sport glide for $6k. Ride what you can afford. Harley is always gonna be a premium
Millennials suck! Hipsters suck! Old school is a dying breed! The new generation sucks!!! I'll bet the house if Harley made throw back looking bikes and bobbers they'll sell!!!!
It ain't the new generation bud... Gen Z here... born in 2000... younger than al millennials... owned 5 harleys 4 of em carbed... being only 22, i cant afford a 20 thousand dollar bike alongside having a decent car... is what it is... harley is targeting the older crowd with their pricing... you dont see people my age spending more than 10 grand on a bike... the average motorcycle rider age is going up fast.... young people aren't even buying bikes... as for the hipsters, they are doing more to save classic harleys than the older generation... the hipsters i know love and cherish old ironheads and shovels and keeping em alive... is what it is
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ok, Harley has put the softail standard on their site as a 2023 model. So...
I released an updated video Tuesday reacting to that …2023 Harley Davidson Models Arrive
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I really thought the laced wheels looked waaaay better than the annihilator wheels.
On the standard, with the chrome, agreed.
Same happy I got a 2021.
It was so rare to even see these on the showroom. They didn't sell enough because they didn't make enough. These bean counters are so dumb, this was one of the few bikes in the lineup that actually had some value to it. I think I really hate these people.
In my area the dealer sales staff suggested these to new graduates of the rider course,
Harley CEO isn't even American. I mean, that wouldn't bother me so much if he actually cared about the brand and the company. Him and the board are running the Moco into the ground.
Just for clarification the Road Glide and Street Gide still come with 107 CI motors. Not just Road Kings or the Electra Glide Std.
Thank you for clarifying that. I wonder though if the base models will get 114’s in ‘23?
Road King standard (i call it the RK classic) comes with it as well. I sure hope they keep the Road King Standard around even if its 114... im not big on the blacked out road king special
I noticed aftermarket parts catalogs don't list the Standard very often. I usually look up the Street Bob for parts since they're basically the same bike but blacked out. I'm curious what the production figures of the Standard were from 2020 to 2022.
I couldn’t find any numbers for individual unit sales, total units for 2022 were 117, 000 I’d estimate 10-15% were FXST’s. But yeah using a street bob in search will lead you to proper fit parts for sure.
I bought the standard and built it out to my liking. I love my bike.
Awesome! Highly recommend this approach.
May I ask, how much did you it cost to built it out? I’m looking at getting the 2023 and I wanted to add a faces shield and sissy bar on the back. I’m interested because it fits my lifestyle I will in NYC and I don’t have to road space to make long trips.
@@jirivera1999 Sure! I’ll list it here:
Viking Skarner lockable Saddlebags - $250
Tail light relocation kit - $100
Harley sissy bar - $230
Engine Guard/Highway bar - $200
Memphis Shades Road Warrior w/15” vented shield- $500
Harley Sundowner Seat - $375
So $1,655 all together. Roughly. It’ll be a bit more with tax.
Yes, i'm too. I'm very satisfied.
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its a big shame... need more chrome less blacked out bikes... i cant be the only one that loves chrome
Nope, you’re not the only one!
I cant say I'm sad to see the latest sportster axed and would like to see many of the recent big twin changes reversed or only supplied as options.
For years the Japanese tried and failed miserably to take the cruiser style and market and now it seems Harley management are obsessed with copying the very machines that their customers had avoided by staying brand loyal.
Chrome??? Its upto the customer. Isn't it?
Maybe an option for black or smoked chrome could be a good choice.
@@richardlee2488 they kind of that with the engine compartments in the heritage, roadking, street and road glide models.
@@richardlee2488 oh no i absolutely agree. ive owned blacked out bikes and chromed out bikes both have their place... harley should definitely offer both. the street bob with the 114 would be sick with chrome bars chrome forks and chrome exhaust.... i like blacked out too though.
@@KennyQuestShow yep true those you have a little choice.
Is it me or does the 2023 Softail standard’s tank look smaller then the earlier Softail standard from say 2007?
It most definitely is. New one is 3.4 gallons old one is 5 gallons. Same for dyna street bob and fat bob of old and the current ones. Less is more? Pfft.
I think the standard low rider should have stayed. At it's price and what you got, THAT was the softail standard and would probably sell very well as the S model is getting so close to 20k msrp
Good suggestion. Maybe we’ll see the Street Bob remain at the same msrp and they’ll bring back the low rider for positioning under the S.
Agreed. I've always had a hard on for the low rider 107. I thought it had the best throwback paint scheme in red
@@thelost_woods right. The stranger things font and colors is awesome
@@KennyQuestShow at least the street Bob's got the 114
@@KennyQuestShow you think the 107 is going away for 2023
picking up a softail springer 03' this wkend. looking fwd. to it.
Awesome! Love those.
My realistically obtainable favorite model - actually favorite period. I hadn't seen it around for a while so I thought it was already gone.
Who else thinks they are going in the wrong direction? Soon they'll be left with only goofy over stylized models or God forbid, all electric. 👎
All electric, sheesh! But by 2035 some motorcycle companies have targeted that date as the year when they will cease gas powered power plants, 13 years from now.
@@KennyQuestShow soon all cars, motorcycle, lawn care, and all gasoline engines will be extinct. I think the government is going to pass a law that prohibits manufacture of them by a certain date. Maybe like 20-30 years from now.
@@blg020 your not wrong! There’s a movie on Amazon prime about this.
yep it was a short run. 2020-2022... the 20 and 21 models had beautiful spoked wheels... i was never fond of the name. should have just been called the street bob classic...
I agree. Thats why I bought one. Maybe the last pure Harley
I got a 98 softail custom with 11000 miles on it. Looks like its just came out the showroom.
That’s Awesome! My 96’ Softail just hit 60k
i'm glad i got my Standard when i did , something nice added to my growing collection 😂
It’s a great bike. Everything you need, no frills, just smiles.
@@KennyQuestShow 107 power is plenty of thrill
i bought the 2023 and absolutely love it
That’s awesome! Loving the chrome and black over the street bob!
From 1990's sales manager experience, "Don't order bikes that are not as profitable, when there is a shortage/allotment."
Gross margin trumps volume in these times
thats the problem.. harley ceo is a full numbers driven German guy with zero care for this American brand... running it into the ground.
Damn, everyone eulogizing a bike that isn’t even dead. I got a 23 and the 24s are out now. Don’t know about Harley’s future plans with the bike, but it’s alive and well now, despite all the posters pointing out why it had to die.
At the time, but this was back in late ‘22.
You havent seen my softail build harkening back to the yesteryears of choppers. Looks stock but has staggered turnouts, extended front end, USB caddy delete, custom sissy bar, stage 1 cam, cherokee seat, flipped mirrors, etc.
That sounds like a kick a$$ scoot
@@KennyQuestShow thanks buddy. All the best. They are out there. Albeit not as popular as the roadglide builds with chiseled bars and willie G skill pieces
@@AbbadonXII 😂 yeah not my scene at this point, I’m drawn to minimalism, bobbers, choppers etc
Just ordered Softail Standard today. Love the bike, but not the wheels.
Awesome, congrats. Are you going to send them out to powder coat or get chromed through the dealer or look at other wheel options? @throttleblip9854 chose some cool 5 spoke wheels check ‘em out ruclips.net/video/l16M1sG1Bk4/видео.html
I just bought mine. I had to request it from the dealer as they normally don’t stock them.
Wow….yeah without dealer support stuff won’t sell. Plenty of street bobs in stock though?
Will they cut the remaining 107 bikes? Yes, yes they will.
It’s just shocking to me how easily and readily Harley Davidson will axe a bike rather than try to make it more appealing to potential customers. The fact that people went for the street Bob over the standard simply means that the standard is way too damn expensive for what you get. Besides, now it can’t compete with the nightmare bike for price. So even more people will be buying the street Bob over the Harley Davidson rebel 975. Which is also drastically overpriced. I swear man, it’s almost like Harley is being ran by a shoe salesman……..oh yeah, it is.
Lol..yeah he created collaborations with celebrities and introduced limited edition styles of shoes, looks like it’s the same game plan here. Their focus is on the Icon, special and CVO models.
Awesome looking bike
Yessir, the standard is a classic
@@KennyQuestShow yes I own it lol
Welp i wanted the standard last year, when i purchased a 21 bob instead due to the fact that "NO" standards on the floor, and arrent moving anything like the bobs according to the salesman that went over my purchase.
From a sales perspective for a buyer not looking to immediately customize I get it. That type of purpose buyer comes looking for the standard in the used market.
@@KennyQuestShow A used market it was actually, the dealership I go to had an 04 softard standard now that I think about it. I forget what the asking price was, but the bank hit me with a big NO since the bikes age and 18k on the clock, but would work with me on a brand new street bob. But then again I could've gotten one of the newer standards but there where none of the newer ones on the floor.
@@jamescollins5073 yeah that’s the thing… if you finance it’s easier to get a loan on a new or recently released used model.
Softail Slim with a 107 no regrets
Great bike. Awesome look and fun to ride.
@@KennyQuestShow
Harley did a good job with the Slim maybe they'll bring it back as a Slim- S model?
@@599Dan yes and this time NOT in army green with a star on it (2016 S) I Love my military but something more 1940’s retro would be cool
wish they still made the slim
Does anyone think that the 107 is going away for 2023
Just saw another Harley creator yesterday and we discussed this in person, Throttle Blip and I both agreed the 107 has been deemed of little value in the line up and is unlikely to return.
@@KennyQuestShow Yeah that's the rumor floating around.. Thanks … I don't think gunship Gray is gonna come back either I heard there was a bunch of people bitching about it that owned CVO's... My buddy works at a dealership here in Michigan says they were flooded with complaints of CVO owners Bitching...
@@STATION26ADDISON I heard the same, I also heard white sand pearl is the next color way for the FXLRST to join vivid black.
I prefer the wire wheels on my 2021 model. Those wheels look ugly.
Yeah they are sickly looking. would be better if black…maybe
Damn. One of the TRUE 70’s looking bikes out there but imo- the bars and mid pegs are super uncomfortable. So I get it. They need a Low Rider M8 with a good paint job. No cowl or any of the ST stuff. Just black n Chrome.
Agreed. They really need to fill this void. I’m my area the minimalist attitude toward custom builds is back
@@KennyQuestShow dude i totally agree! Just go to shows! Pan & shovelheads are the ones stealin the show.
@@jayteesgear exactly.
Broke my heart when they axed the low rider 107....jeez Harley, not everyone loves the blacked out look, some people dig that 70s vibe with chrome
Hopefully could still get one at a dealer im sorry that standard seems like the bike for me
It’s an awesome bike. Comfortable and can be bad ass with a few mods. You should be able to find a ‘22 if you want the mag wheels and I see several on cycle trader app if you like the spoked look.
I will never buy a water cooled Harley to me that motor misses the mark
They certainly don’t have the same feel. The motor company executives argue that a 69 Camaro SS and the new SS have a similar detachment and that’s called modernization. If consumers don’t buy the new models then the motor company won’t build them. Consumers control the long term narrative
everyone complains about Harleys being too expensive but when they come out an affordable big twin it doesn't sell. go figure.
Lol, it seems entry models have three lives, the first is new riders, then after trade in, riders who want a affordable Harley and lastly after it’s 5 years + old, customizers and builders who seek an affordable platform to create a custom bike.
Bring back chrome and that fish lip rear fender
The boat tail fender ⚡️⚡️
I'm waiting for the 200 cubic inches. Why not they keep getting bigger every year.
Boss hoss, a v-8 motor plant pushing 502ci is the biggest I’ve seen.
@@KennyQuestShow There you go.
6 weeks ago I was picking up parts & new bike shopping. I was seriously thinking Road King. The GM at the local dealer told me the Softail Std, Sporties, and the base Road King were gone. I whined a little, not a fan of the RK special. Not really a fan of the M8's in general, lost the iconic rock and roll pop corn machine effect... What MOCO has accomplished in me, is I am stopping, but not only the HD line. Can't say I have ever had those thoughts in the last 40 years.
The moco has this strategy called “hardwired” and it’s goal is to only offer the most popular models and the most desirable (in their opinion). Anyone who doesn’t agree or has a interest in a past model can buy a “certified” pre-owned model or go buy a Indian or a foreign bike. They don’t understand why anyone would not buy a bagger or a premium m8 equipped model. Times have changed, but profits are up too, so there’s that.
It was their best value bike.
It certainly was. Popular amongst recent graduates of the HD rider course
@@KennyQuestShow it's the only New Harley Davidson I considered. I bought used but my next new bike will be an Indian.
@@TheDans7300 I highly recommend a used model regardless of brand. Re-sale prices are set by age and miles that means a fully modded bike is the same value as a stock one
I’m sure there is dozen people heartbroken over this news. I’m not one of them. 😂
😂🤣 It’s a cool little scoot for bopping around town or converting into a chopper someday
Dozens
@@Phillzillaa I guess I am one of the dozens. Call me a red-blooded American who likes a classic bike with chrome...
Just found out there is a 2023 Softail Standard!
Yep, me too! So the dealer on camera comment in my video was wrong and that teaches me that even dealers can’t speculate properly 3 months out from the new model year
The newer affordable bikes look too much like indian and other competitors, Harley is copied but seem they want to copy others now.
They are losing sight of entry level.
We’ll see if they bring back any air cooled entry level bikes in ‘23. Thanks for watching!
@@KennyQuestShow air cooled is out for emissions reasons but the entry level thing is going to be a struggle in the bigger marketplace.
Buell had the right ideas but lost the HD backing.
Lead a horse to water.....
@@richardlee2488 HD has struck a deal with a China manufacturer to make a small displacement bike with HD badging for the Asia market (India, etc). Air cooled isn’t dead in the U.S. market just yet
@@KennyQuestShow I guess they got the idea from the likes of AJS and I seem to remember also BSA which was s short come back during the early eighties.
Perhaps HD have forgotten the disaster of aermachi?
@@richardlee2488 I was gonna say…Aeramachi. but the China OEM already does work with BMW for their 310GS and KTM for the 200duke
And 2024
It’s still here! Really glad that dealer employee was incorrect.
Harley, like all bike companies are in trouble. This generation of younger folks are very risk averse and have no interest in bikes and very little interest in cars. Unfortunately, Harley has become a t-shirt company that sells Grandpa Bikes. They lost any claim to performance to the Brit Bikes in the 1960's and then Honda etc. crushed them by 1970. Because of their inability to attract younger riders (the average Harley rider is well over 55) they will perish before the other makers. They continue to miss the mark with their Sportster S for example. No younger rider would even consider one, over a far better performing sport bike (even if they could afford one). And yes I'm an old guy who has ridden just about everything from drag bikes to mopeds.
Whether through nostalgia or underground culture air cooled Harley’s will be with us. As for retaining at 35-40 percent market share in 10 years, not likely unless they offer bikes that look good and perform good in the categories folks are interested in.
@@KennyQuestShow I hope I'm wrong but if you crunch the numbers, Harley doesn't have the money. They are a very small company, compared to Honda or Bombardier. Unless they are acquired by a much larger company, I doubt they will be able to to compete in the long term. Plus the current management doesn't seem to have "Fire in the belly" for motorcycles. Hopefully, they will survive?
@@risby1930 gross profit has risen in double digits on lower unit sales figures under the current hardwired strategy. Gross profit dollars are higher than previous years. Can Harley be bought? Yes they are publicly traded and 22% stake ownership gets you a seat at the boardroom table. VW bought Ducati and Lamborghini, they could buy Harley. Royal Enfield hired a bunch of former HD executives from the previous regime, they could be a player. Harley is large enough to withstand a 10x earnings buyout, that would be a $53 billion dollar deal, Honda maybe could make that offer. Maybe.
Enfield's management has certainly pushed the company forward in the last few years, so maybe those old
Harley guys have done well for the company. I know Harley was once pitched to Honda, but my understanding was it wasn't a good fit at the time, so it never got very far. The problem with Harley is they don't have products outside of bikes to take up the slack when luxury items are not purchased. Unlike all the bikes (we don't get in the U. S.) that are used for transportation across the world that are not for pleasure. Having lived in Europe and Asia there is a huge market for 250cc bikes (it's very expensive to own anything larger, because of insane taxes once you pass the 250cc size). Enjoy your channel an ride safe.
@@risby1930 thank you! Also big thanks for commenting and sharing your thoughts. HD has decided to partner with China OEM’s just as BMW, KTM and Triumph have for smaller CC bike offerings. It is my understanding HD will release a 352cc for Asia via this China vendor next year.
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lmao I literally bought a 2024 last month
There was a time when it was rumored to be on the chopping block.
Seems like this video didn’t age well …
No Sir! 3 months later the FXST shipped. Retraction comment is pinned sorries
If Harley wants to appeal to millennials and gen z they need to lower their prices. I'm a millennial born in 85' and I have loved Harley Davidson my whole life. My father and everyone he knew had a customized Harley. I bought a used 2001 sportster about 10 years ago because I couldn't afford a new one. I just got hit by a car two weeks ago and it's probably going to get totaled. Now I'm at this point in my life im making really good money. I like to get a new street bob. I still can't afford one they cost way too much. Between mortgage, bills and stuff for the kids. There's no way. Other motorcycle manufacturers are selling their bikes way cheaper for better performing options. That's why they are losing gen z and millennials.
It took me from 2008 until 2020 to save up enough money to pay for my sportster plus riding gear and accessories for cash out the door. I hear you. Luckily Harley owns two banks so if have $3k you can take a Street Bob home, even with a marginal credit rating. It’s easier to finance than a used bike. However if you can pay cash for it it will save you in the long run. 2018-2019 street bobs are $11-$13k with no extra fees like new bikes perhaps consider one of those and get the anilator mag wheels and a tank paint job later on if your really into the 2022 look of the FXSB.
@@KennyQuestShow in my area the Milwaukee 8 street bobs are 16k even used. Dyna street bobs are over 14k. That's still about $300 a month for something that is a luxury item and I can only ride part of the year. Just saying that's why Harley is losing younger customers.
@@blg020 that’s why for my big twin purchase I bought used and what I could afford $5k for a Softail. A 02 FXDT can be found for $8k a EVO sport glide for $6k. Ride what you can afford. Harley is always gonna be a premium
This video could not be any more wrong.
Correct. This video is old.
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Cha see Cha see, hmmm. Cheazy?
Millennials suck!
Hipsters suck!
Old school is a dying breed!
The new generation sucks!!!
I'll bet the house if Harley made throw back looking bikes and bobbers they'll sell!!!!
I say chop a hipster save a sportster
It ain't the new generation bud... Gen Z here... born in 2000... younger than al millennials... owned 5 harleys 4 of em carbed... being only 22, i cant afford a 20 thousand dollar bike alongside having a decent car... is what it is... harley is targeting the older crowd with their pricing... you dont see people my age spending more than 10 grand on a bike... the average motorcycle rider age is going up fast.... young people aren't even buying bikes... as for the hipsters, they are doing more to save classic harleys than the older generation... the hipsters i know love and cherish old ironheads and shovels and keeping em alive... is what it is
FTF!
It probably would have sold better without all the ugly ass chrome.
The street bob certainly out sold it
Lie
Old video. Dealer was wrong.
All to make room for ELECTRIC
In 2035. The future is coming hard for us. Cue the Twisted Sister “We’re Not Gonna Take It”