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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this video, I take a look at making and using a friction drive for removing the chucking method used when woodturning bowls, and in particular, recesses. This method can also be used for reverse mounting bowls with tenons, or pieces that are not able to be reverse mounted onto cole jaws or in a longworth chuck.
For the friction drive chucking method, I used a 100x100x75,, (4x4x3") beech spindle blank which was then covered with a piece of neoprene approximately 100x100mm (4x4"). There is also a small cube with a tiny piece of neoprene on, too.
This is the first video using my permanent filming and live demo set-up and it features the excellent Vicmarc VL300 lathe that is available from Simon Hope at www.hopewoodturning.co.uk.
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Oh Martin, I wish we lived closer. We could get together share things that we have figured out.
You do a good job of teaching and I love your explanations. Just wish I could show you the next level of finishing bottoms. Carry on mate, you are my number one!
Wow, thanks. That's very kind of you, Harold. I hope you're well.
Loved the video! It was captivating.... Great production value too. Honestly I don't think I have seen a better bowl turning video . Class work ...Subscribed and will watch on
Great information, thanks for sharing 👍
Great video ............. and I never stop learning!
Hi Samuel. Glad it was useful to you.
Thank you again for your excellent presentation on the friction drive method. Very detailed and I got some more ideas of how to remove those tenons....
great job! thanks for sharing.
good to have you back, very informative video thanks.
Simple idea I did not think of - thanks for the tip!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for sharing your tips - I always enjoy & learning from your videos-
Bill M
A very helpful video Martin, as always. Always good to watch you turning.👍👌
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi Martin it is great to see you back demonstrating, fantastic video and really helpful I think I shall go looking for some neoprene on a very well known online shopping site. Thank you.
Thanks 👍
Helpful video
. Thank you.
Good tips and information. I'm a new turner and have recesses on my bowl bottoms. Now I have a good idea how to "finish" them better. I turned a jam chuck for my last bowl which had a tenon that needed removal. It worked good but your ideas are an improvement. Thanks!
Do you have any recomendation where too buy a pack of sand papers for bowl and pen turning as usual shops only sell upto 100grit thanks
I think you have effectively saved my tuning with video: I am a beginner and I have LOTS and LOTS to learn to do a good, safe job. Thanks a lot for the time you invested in this.
Thanks for sharing this. I use a large flat piece of wood 12 inches in diameter as a friction drive (with drawer liner)- it contacts the rim of the bowl - in your experience is it better/safer to use a smaller diameter friction drive such as yours which contacts the interior of the bowl?
What lathe is that .. ?
Does anyone know where I can find that adhesive backed 3mm neoprene Sam used in this demo??
Amazon of course, but anywhere else that is good quality @ a reasonable cost??
Thanks!!!
I think I got it from Amazon. Or eBay.
Who's Sam?
Great video, but I like the "hole" in the bowl look.
Can you provide information on the finish used? Thank you.
Due to circumstances i just noticed your NEW??? Vicmark Congratulations I so have VL300 unit with all the necessary chucks for your info I purchased what Vicmark called "JAW CHUCKS" it is great for mounting longish timber there are 3 sizes I believe i have 68mm and 125mm they are great for lots of legs and handles that I make...pays my hobby coast. I enjoy your videos very much, oh also I like your camera and sound central control ... your videos are very pro with this additions. Kind Regards from OZ Jack Marashlian
I don't know if my method is used by woodturners to remove a tenon instead of using an "adjustable jaws set".
I've made a concave cone (and a convexe cone) which can be fitted in a chuck as a driver.
I take the finished piece of wood between the cone (with cloth to protect it) and the tailstock with a fine tip.
So I can remove almost the whole tenon, the rest is removed easely afterward.
It works very well, no vibrations, no risk of ejection of the piece of wood, almost all pieces of wood can be fitted in a cone.
Thank you! This was very helpful.
I’m just back from one of Martin’s bowl turning courses, which was awesome and has given me a whole new, and more professional, way to look at my turning. I can’t wait to go on my next course with him. Also brilliant video!
I used hard poly rubber mix - shaped rubber plugs in a couple sizes. They don't mar.
thanks for info , on making a friction drive which am going to make one soon. but why the recess on the friction drive?
Instead of little block to play with. Try a crutch tip on end of live center.
Just came across this video in my recommendations.
Great technique and teaching. And yes I hit the subscribe button.
Besides anyone that wears a leather vest while turning gets a thumbs up. 👍🏽 👊🏽
Awesome! Thank you. That will help me a lot.
Love these helpful financially efficient tips and tricks!
Lol. Thanks for watching Jeremiah.
Hahahahaha!
The friction drive also works well if you are turning a natural edge bowl. In fact, it may be the only way to turn off the tenon.
Instead of neoprene I have good success using a 1/2" tap washer placed over the point of a cone centre
Will definitely be making one. Cheers
Great how to Martin.
Cheers
Mike
Hello Mr Waldt! Thanks for watching. :-) Glad you enjoyed it - see you for tonights meeting if you can make it.
Good information on techniques. Check out Phil Anderson's videos on removing tenons if you haven't already done so. I hope you repurpose the cracked bowl. Cut it through the crack and glue in a contrasting piece of wood. Anyway, thanks for an interesting video once again. Best wishes Martin.
Cool, thanks!
About to make one so looked you up and now subscribed. Why a recess in the friction piece? I would have thought leaving it convex would give a greater surface area for friction? Thanks
It would have greater friction if the inside curve of the bowl matches the outside curve of the friction drive.
Making it a donut like this makes it fit pretty much any internal curve.
@@msabansmith cheers
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Thanks for this especially the neoprene matting idea. I've used a friction drive on occasions & also made jam chucks for some pieces.
Thanks Miss T. Good to hear from you.
Thank you for the information, Martin. I have used the Cole Jaws but extensions make it a bit difficult for bowls that large. Look and a jam chuck and try to figure another way. Can't make that work.
I have watched your channel for sometime and like the projects you have made. I will continue to watch . Keep up the good work. Jim's wood shop.
Thanks good stuff.
Great advice thanks
Thanks Martin, good video, look forward to seeing you live again soon.
Hello! Really great to hear from you, James. I hope you're well. See you on my first new live on 17th November.
It is great to see you doing this kind of video again. I stopped watching your videos when you were doing live feeds etc, I just don't have that kind of time.
Hi Martin, I have basically learned most of what I know about lathing from your videos so thank you very Much! I have noticed in a number of your videos you use what appears to be an enormous roughing gouge. Is that a custom tool you made or where did you acquire it?
Great advice for us starting off on this wood turning adventure one thing I noticed is you use the scissors ✂️ in your right hand yet your left handed? As a lefty I find certain techniques very difficult regards Martin
Likewise Martin. Some right handed stuff for me is very tricky. Thankfully, I am somewhat ambidextrous - not fully, but it is helpful when learning to turn.
Practice practice practice! Develop muscle memory for the tricky techniques and it will get easier.
It's a conspiracy against us left handed folk. Left handed scissors do not work! As for turning, learning to use both hands has been very beneficial for me as I can make awkward positions easier by witching hands.
Thank you for the tips. Already used this method but the center mark was very good information to me. Cheers.
thanks Martin. thats realy cool. ive learned a lot from this.
as a complete noob at turning,(but a totaly expert at watching woodturning youtube 😂) this was one of the videos i learned the most from the last year!
You are an ispiration!!
And congrats with the new shop thats on its way!
Superb video
A very timely demonstration, II have a cutoff with a tenon, just have to shape as you demonstrated. Thanks.. .
Good to see you again Martin, I quite like having a recess just in case I have to mount the bowl or platter to brighten it up again after a few years.
My man your videos are very helpful. And awesome set up with the cameras! Thanks for the tips.
Thank you. That has answered the problem I’ve been having.
I've used the thin polystyrene stuff you mentioned. My experience is that it is too slippery. The stick on neoprene looks like an excellent choice.
Thank you for your contribution. Your finishes are incredible, I will be looking up your other videos.
I like using a recess on my bowls and I started turning away the sharp edge sometime ago to give them a more finished look!
Always a Pleasure Watching You Work My Friend.
Love your tiny block method.Why didnt I think of that.......
One of your better videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Hi,
Thank you so much for this, as a complete newbie turner (just coming up to a month now!) I was looking at cole jaws etc but baulking slightly at the price for the ones that fit my chuck. This has given me a way of turning away the tenons on the four bowls I've done so far without breaking the bank.
Much appreciated, you have gained a subscriber!
Cheers,
Dom
Glad it was helpful!
Great tutorial as always Martin. I always make a feature of my bottom, but must say when it’s turned off it looks absolutely fabulous. One thing though. If you were to remove the bottom with the tailstock point method (not the block) how do you remove the little hole left by the tailstock centre.
Thanks again Martin. Great work. Regards. Doug.
Hi Doug, leave enough material where the centre was located and cut slightly below the mark till you have a tiny stump left. Take it off of the lathe and hand finish with a little chisel, and abrasive. That's what I do and it works for me. Best regards. 🙃
What do you call the black stuff u put on ,thanks
I think you are referring to neoprene. Thanks for watching.
Yea that's the stuff Thanks for that 👍
Great instruction video Martin. I will have a go at making a friction drive. I usually mount my bowls with a dovetail mortice, I think it's just habit. Thanks mate and you all take care........
Great idea
I can't find anywhere in the UK that stocks 100x100mm beech spindle blanks. Any suggestions?
Hi David. It doesn't have to be beech. I got the one I used from Yandles months ago. You could just as easily use a 2" or 3" thick bowl blank. So long as it is thick enough to get a tenon onto, it doesn't really matter.
How did you do the pattern on the bottom of the black bowl?
I really like the small block with the neoprene side.
A caution about neoprene: if the bowl slips, even slightly, it can leave a black mark. Be sure the live center is snug and be very gentle with your cuts to minimize
slippage.
There. I finished it!
great video. where do you get those handles from buddy ? i live in uk.
Thanks for watching. Which handles? The tool handles? They are the Sovereign handles from Robert Sorby if it's those you are asking about.
@@msabansmith Yeah, thank' for the reply.
I got them from Turner's Retreat about 4 years. Quite weighty, I enjoy using them. As a lighter weight alternative, take a look at the handles made by Simon Hope.
@@msabansmith Will do , And thanks again buddy.
You're welcome.
Great video Martin,I have cole jaws but prefer the extra security and peace of mind provided by friction drives👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I rarely use a friction drive, preferring the cole jaws or vacuum chuck, but can definitely see the benefit of a friction drive.
Thank you, you do a wonderful job of teaching
Excellent! thank you.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
Excellent video, read about these before but a video to show how to make and then in use is super helpful! On a side note, what size tool clips have you got on the wall to mount your turning tools?
Glad it was helpful! There are various size clips on the wall for the tools. I bought a bag of different ones from Amazon.
Can I get a link to the bowl gouge you are using?
really interesting and helpful.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Thank you. Excellent video.
Thanks for sharing, very informative
Great to see you back, Martin!!! There was a lot of useful information for me in this video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Good tips...thanks. stay safe...press on 😎
Great video / thanks again for sharing!
Martin, like your makers mark on the bowl bottom of the bowel is that an inlay?
Thanks. Yes, it is an inlay. There is a video on the channel giving you a closer look.
Thanks, good video.
Great and informative video! Where do you get your maker's marks made> I am trying to find a good source? Thanks
Thank you for sharing
Great tip, thanks 👍🏽
Watched it from start to finish and no info at all on treating my bottom bowle, ....must go...!
Other than the sanding sealer I applied, this wasn't a bowl finishing video. Watch virtually any of my others and you will find plenty of free advice on finishing techniques.
Oh ok
Great info. I use a friction drive often with shelf liner, (rubber based); I do like the material you used to stick on to your home made wood friction block. I'm in the state of Tennessee, USA, where might I get this padding material or something like it? If you know. Like your you tube demos.
I think he hinted Amazon is a source.🤔
Thanks Randy. As Lois suggested, I did hint at Amazon yes. Lol.
Do a search for self adhesive neoprene. The stuff I got was 3mm thick (1/16"??) and did a grand job.
Thanks, I missed that.
No problem. There's a lot of information there. In the outtakes, I specifically say 'an online shop named after a river!'
really helpful! Thank you! As a noob, I struggle with when to use a mortise vs. a tenon. any tips?
Heres my tip. Only use a mortice on a vertical join. 10% either way ok. When using a tenon i find a 45' angle most satisfactory, more force can be acheived. I do hope this helps.
@@williamavery9185 what is a vertical join ?
@@lesgallivan4159 sorry mate its just how we speak. Join...joint dont matter if your both on the same bit of wood. You aint!
Thanks Martin, that was great, mate. Cheers.
Thank you. Glad you found it useful.
What was the sanding sealer you used?
Thanks for asking. I used Hampshire Sheen Cellulose Sanding Sealer.
When the music started, I had to leave. It distracts from wood turning video's.
OK.
Mmmm you cant beet the sound ov a lave cuttin thru that wood, makes me toes curl. Iv got 5 on 1 foot.
Why not just mute the sound?
@@williamavery9185 How many have you got on the other one? 🙃
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Thanks again for good common sense
My pleasure. Thanks for watching.
Great tips Martin. Thankyou and glad to see you.
Glad you enjoyed it. Good to hear from you. I hope you're well.
@@msabansmith I’m well. Working on a few projects and the neoprene is just the tip needed. Hope all is well with you and family.
As always very informative
Thanks again!
Nice to see you back again!
More to come!
Great tip 👍
Glad you think so!
Thanks yet again for coming back with a money saving tip.... I have a few bowls now all with holes in their "bottom".
I've been saving up for Cole jaws as they are on my list of "stuff to get soon". Now I don't need to wait. I think I am aware of the certain on-line shop that you allude to so I am off to go and make myself a friction chuck.
Now I know why I have been watching your videos for 4 years, ever since I first wondered if I could take this up as a hobby and all the way back to the "setting up a workshop" ones. You are just so helpful.
See you again soon.
Very helpful, I need to find some adhesive neoprene! Stay safe.....