5 Things Hollywood Gets Wrong About Smart People
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- There are a lot of things we don't expect Hollywood to understand: technology, relationships, how the common person lives ... but you'd think they'd at least know how represent smart people, right? (Spoiler alert: wrong.)
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Lol, I'm a chemist and people keep asking me to help fix their computers for them, and I'm like "It appears to run on some form of electricity."
Well normally scientists like to learn so they would assume that you would learn new subjects
I understood that reference!
@@fastandadrift4858 I understood that reference!
well, youre not wrong
good doggo
smart characters are written by writers who aren't as smart as the characters they're writing
exactly! The dumb writers tend to see everything in a simplified manner because they are lazy and don't do research on any subject. To be a scientist you just have to put a white lab-coat on and say the word "quantum" a few times. Enough for the average suspension of disbelief..
Just as the non-musicians don't understand what is like being one, with all the minor details that come with it, they don't know how the geniuses think and they'll never will (probably we won't either), but of course, some of us are more sceptical and tired of the stupid stereotypes
Accurate.
cf. also test-taking strategies for smart ppl, like learning how not to overthink multiple choice questions
Yeah, no writer can create a interesting hard tee like me
That's called Vinge's principle and is generally true, although it can be dodged to a degree with some creativity and effort.
The way smart people act in movies/tv has always bugged me. I have this one friend who is really smart, but he just likes to read, he doesn’t go out of his way to ridicule stupid people, or memorize whole books just to show off.
Ikr. i know a fewsmart people in real life too (people say im one of them lmao) i didnt see one them cocking about how they can do something like solving problems quicker and easier to make other people feel dumb. Their ego isnt bigger than them either.
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Because he's really smart and he's into his one thing. What other people think about him is irrelevant.
This is a tv show. Also the characters are basically smart people like in normal real life who have gone through some terrible things and end up an ass. They need interesting backstories, you wouldn't be as interested in watching some super smart person that everybody loves, at least in my opinion. Not that it's always uninteresting, like The Good Doctor. Do you expect every character to be exactly like people you know? That would get boring.
Kelli Suzuki the video is called “5 things Hollywood gets wrong about smart people”. It’s about how wrong they are. About smart people.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is actually... Oh...
yes that way they remember.
Is that the thing where if you die in a dream, you're dead for real?
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Nevermind that's the Freddy Krueger Effect :)
it was a particularly insidious lie he told about dunning-kruger, specifically designed to make people want to correct him, by pretending those people are showing their stupidity by doing so. it's a clever form of circular logic, but it still falls flat if you understand what he did.
@@nonplayablenpccharacter What's wrong with his statement of the D-K anyway?
@@hunterketch989 everything.
1. d-k does not say anything about intelligence. it's a study on knowledge. this video presented it as a study on how smart ppl act vs how dumb ppl act. it's not. it's about how much people think they know about a topic.
2. more importantly, he misrepresented the findings, which say that (excluding ppl with essentially zero familiarity with a concept) the people who give the lowest estimate of their amount of knowledge are--on average--people with an average amount of knowledge. this video implied that experts underestimate their knowledge, and the only people who think they're experts are novices. that's totally untrue. in reality, experts generally know they're experts, and both novices and experts will highly value their own perspectives. it's people with an average amount of knowledge who are more likely to underestimate themselves.
Avarage people often confuse highly educated individuals with really intelligent individuals.
When I was a kid, everyone would teach their dogs tricks, and all would say, what a smart dog! I would point out that it was merely a trained dog.
lazy homebody That is exactly the same thing, yes!
I like that!
Having a PhD does not make one intelligent is a pretty simple concept.
@@Fridaey13txhOktober Not inherently, but most intelligent people have an intrinsic desire for knowledge and are willing to go great lengths for it. Acquiring a PhD is by no means easy, so it's reasonable to assume that most people who have a PhD are indeed intelligent.
@@꿀-k6c i think it's probably highly dependent on the type of degree and especially the external benefits (wealth, prestige, etc.) to be gained by acquiring it. in my experience, there certainly doesn't seem to be any shortage of shockingly retarded humans possessed of sufficient wherewithal to become a practicing physician or psychiatrist.
Picard knowing Shakespeare isn't showing his intelligence, it's showing his love for Shakespeare
Yeah, I took it to mean he was well-read/cultured rather than simply intelligent.
It's just like quoting dialogues from a favourite TV show. It's not hard to do.
Daniel Brownson yeah, it's unbearable, though (in a kind of funny way)
Mino Lee lol
Yeah Picard is more of an educated man than a smart guy.
“The smarter you are, the more aware you are of your own shortcomings”. That’s a fundamental truth, since the times of Plato. Great video
You missed my favorites: the geniuses who need to hack into something, anything, and with ten keystrokes (one for each finger), "I'm in!"
The only exception was the one-season show Limitless, based on the movie. When the hero needed to learn to hack, he admits it took a couple of days before showing us "I'm in!"
And he was on NZT so he could quickly hack
I loved that show...thought it was very clever, funny, and original.
Limitless was such an amazing show but not enough people watched it because of the shit movie
Hacking is done by typing as fast as you can and having windows pop up on your screen at warp speed. The best hackers can do it on two computers simultaneously.
also who needs a mouse when you already have a keyboard
sdfogs wgs gwrg ergoergner .... i'm in!
The asshole genius trope tends to come from Sherlock Holmes types, which is dumb because Doyle's Holmes was only mean to arrogant and powerful people, if a character was a good person then he was very nice to them. But of course the good people in Sherlock Holmes stories tended to be women or servants or women and servants whereas the rude people tended to be the well off men he encountered, and who do you think tv and film producers identify more with? So of course they forget about all the times Holmes is nice and only remember the times Holmes is mean to a character that they identify with. Therefore tv and film Holmes becomes an absolute arsehole.
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Which finally explains exactly why my favorite adaptation of Doyle's works is still _Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century._ 'Cause he wasn't an arsehole.
also isn't he a sociopath in most incarnations
sociopaths tend to have a pleasant demeanor... it's what makes them dangerous. They use their lack of empathy to play on people's emotions.
All of this. Sherlock Holmes is frequently very kind and known in the stories to have a way with people of all class levels and education in order to get information from them. Whether or not this is because he's manipulating them could be up in the air if you really must play it that way, but he's quite soft-hearted in the books unless you're arrogant or evil at which point he's witheringly ruthless.
“Never memorize something that you can look up.” ― Albert Einstein
David Misner I tried using that line at school but it didn’t work.
@@meganlukes6679
At school if you learn to understand , find the patterns, etc... you need less work of memorization, and it helps you to adapt to new situations .
If you get a school exercise about a subject that nobody had memorized in the class, of you have trained understanding, you can work from the subjects you already know and adapt to the new problem, while if you make only memorization, you are doomed, all what you have memorized for this exercise is wasted.
In real life, you will never have the carbon copy of exercises you have learn at schools, what you need is to finding general rules, patterns, etc... for being able to answer different situations.
@@meganlukes6679 Not surprising
jean-louis pech Depends on the area. Biological sciences requires memorization, no escaping it. No form of pattern recognition or general understanding will allow you to remember the symptoms or prognosis or mode of inheritance of Li-Fraumeni Syndrome, the difference between the PMS2 and BRCA1 mutation, or the applicable federal and international regulations for drug testing on humans. Yes you can look them up, but you’ll look like an incompetent idiot who faked their credentials, and the employer will be left asking why they bothered hiring you if you spend half your time looking up the information your colleagues already know.
That may be true but I think the point was that just because one can memorize something does not make them smart.
Ok there's something about the Sam Raimi Spiderman movies that has always bothered me: Peter Parker consistently refers to his college major as, "science." That is not a college major.
You major in physics, chemistry, biology, genetics, molecular biology, biophysics, chemical biology, etc., etc.
good point
But SCIENCE
IKR ! Finally I found Someone Who shares my thought
Or When he meets Otto and his wife says "he was majoring in Science" , it wouldn't kill them to say " Majoring in Physics " or something
Many schools offer a general science undergrad stream for people intending to go into things like IP law
I scienced in science
Missed one ☝️ All smart people are robots with "photographic memory".
I am so sick of "normal" characters having to explain to these geniuses what emotions are. And photographic memory is now the go to ex machina
1. They are mostly depictions of people with Aspergers to whom, yes , emotions are distractions from logic. 2. Nobody remembers a literal 'photo' with their brain but you can have a perfect memory after reading something once if the material made sense to you.
*Looks at the personal life of Nikola Tesla and Albert Einstein*
Yup, no emotional issues with geniuses.
Eric But I mean, I've MET people with multiple PH.D's, and in this video there was a point about that. Not all geniuses have emotional dissonance, not even the majority, so it's still a valid point
I have photographic memory, but I’m useless. Give me a photo I won’t remember it but I’ll remember a place I went to collage in for a visit down to the tiniest crack in the wall which is completely useless to me in Vet school but here we are haha
It's because normies can't grasp that someone can be both smart and emotionally and socially competent. Because then what is their excuse.
Writing on glass with a wax crayon is for cinematic purposes. Most scientists still use chalk or dry erase boards but you can only film someone from the back while writing on them. Which also makes it hard to see what they are writing until they step back. The glass gives film and TV directors a reason and angle to film the actors' faces and what they're writing.
Geoffrey Peterson we know that.
You missed the joke there buddy.
The last lab i worked at a very large portion of calculations, formulas, etc were written in dry erase on the glass panels that cover fume hoods. It's not completely out of the ordinary, just more out of the ordinary when it's written on say a glass window lol.
But i mean, we had a small conference room that was completely surrounded by white board material as the walls so scientists and engineers seem to enjoy writing on anything.
The study rooms in our library have walls made completely out of dry-erase boards, and the glass front walls are also dry erase, and they are frequently absolutely covered in scribblings and such.
Also, clear dry-erase boards exist. I really like them because you can see the one you're using and the one behind it at the same time.
My physics teacher writes on glass, i gues that he thinks it makes him look smart or something.
It also conveys the idea to the audience that the ideas are "clear".
To be fair, Picard makes a point of spending time reading and studying art. He's such a great character because it isn't just movie shorthand... they earn those moments in TNG.
Games and zrt is important to be considered wise.
I've noticed that in sitcoms, "stupid" characters are always SO stupid that even the stupid people who watch these shows would find them stupid. Characters who are actually a normal kind of stupid would remind the audience of themselves so much as to come off as insulting. Actually intelligent characters would similarly feel insulting to the show's stupid audience by talking over their heads and by making connections that stupid people wouldn't understand. Unless you want your show to be canceled, you have to treat the audience like the idiots they are while pretending that their intelligence is something to be comfortable with.
Wow. Brutal and accurate. unfortunately, nothing happens in a void, and the sanctifying of stupidity by hollywood promotes it, while also demonizing actual intelligence. thus, money (via it's need to produce something popular) destroys the world!
That's some big talk for someone who watches shows for idiots.
People are a lot more intelligent than the media and pop culture gives them credit for. The entertainment industry can pander to a demographic that they assume is stupid all they want, but it won't make it true. And we may consume the content, as that's largely what's available to us, but our actions reflect a different reality altogether.
@@avamasquerade oh it'd surprise you how stupid people are
It's simply a matter of pandering to the lowest common denominator. If they target those at the lower end of the intelligence spectrum, they're more likely to find a large target audience, whereas if they target those with a higher intelligence, they're only going to get a small percentage of the population who "get it".
I like the " Wish I knew how to edit." Proceeds to cut to close up.
You missed chess, supposedly smart people must be great at chess right?
I always laugh when the character is deep in thought for like five minutes to finally find a checkmate in one...
It's really hard to show a chess game in a way where the average audience can tell the difference between a good move and a bad move without it being checkmate though.
Like, you have better odds of getting elected for President of the US than winning a chess match in less than five moves.
I've always found it frustrating in chess that you're not allowed to literally think outside the box. Anyone can simply memorize a set of moves designed by someone else and you don't necessarily need to be really all that smart to utilize them.
@@mikitz That's defiantly not true. No one can possible memorize all possible branches and positions without a computer. You make it sound like tic tac toe
There was a episode of House with a women with hyperthymesia, she remembers everything, but she says it does not make her smart. She makes the good point that just because she remembers something does not mean she understands it.
"Being smart means memorizing stuff" I feel like this is how society generally feels about actual intelligence. Ugh.
0rnami It really is what a lot of people think and it pisses me off.
A friend of mine told me this expression, “being smart isn’t about what answers you know, it’s about how you found those answers.” This is the best way I’ve heard what being smart actually means in one sentence.
Exactly. Did you find the answers on your own, or were they handed to you in a textbook? "Learning" in today's society(especially in our modern school system!) is more of an exercise in obedience as it serves to prepare you for the status quo than it is a challenge to your intellect.
It would be inefficient to use the space you have on words when you can spend it on functional heuristics. First you see words, then you find their meanings, then you can integrate them in your general belief system. Actual words are really useful only when conveying these meanings to other people and you can decompress heuristics into words on the fly.
But being smart at a specific topic is literally only possible by memorising and practicing. It's fact. But, it's what schools teach you. They don't teach you the little things that are important in life. Some schools do, however.
School do teach you little bits that are important among the most paths in life, while you're young and you can't figure out where to go in life. Personally, healthy eating, and exercise should be a more important topic in schools.
So... Does intelligence would come to be "how to find the answer" and then "to memorize the answer" plus "how to question the answer to find its flaws and logic"?
So true intelligence would be... Being able to research and find the answer, being able to memorize said answer, but also being able to question the legitimacy of said answer to then improve the answer?
It comes from a simple bias : We think smart people are weird, because we don't notice normal smart people.
Arnaud DSM what about weird stupid people?
We? Speak for yourself.
This is a trope in *fiction*, since an autist is more memorable and distinct from other characters than an ordinary educated or intelligent person.
Taxtro Autism doesn't even equate intelligence. Sure, there are branches of autism that make it so that a person is a fucking genius in one crucial area and can't comprehend a slight amount of another. And that is a different label altogether, although I can't remember the name of it. Autism doesn't make you smarter, most cases it just sets you back in most areas of social and educational systems.
You're both wrong, but since I am one of those freakish high IQ autistic people, I'm going to stick to my stereotype and not bother to explain.
Maybe some of the writers identified with this trope, because they themselves are like the guys they portray but also they think they're 'brilliant' so they can get away with it? lol
Raising one eyebrow makes one smart.
dav ep Raising two makes one look surprised.
Raising 3 makes you look Martian (according to The Twilight Zone -- TV show and Rush song.)
If you smell what the Rock is cookin'?
Does it count if I only have one eyebrow?
Raise an eyebrow while taking off your glasses and biting one side of them; you may stare off in any direction.
If you can memorize entire books easily, then you’re *some* kind of smart.
I know someone very close to me, who is extremely booksmart (way more than I am) and much smarter in other ways than I could ever hope to be.
That being said, this individual also has absolutely no survival or practical knowledge whatsoever. I've taught him to work on his car, he still knows nothing, I've taught him various survival skills, he still knows nothing.
But I'll be damned if he isn't a fucking king of political and sociological knowledge of bygone times.
That’s why we can’t call anything “AI” until it can make decisions for itself, and self-program and self-evolve, without limits. It would be a technology god to us.
I have horrible memory but if im in a situation where i need to know then the memory comes back then disappears when im done
@@dantastic044 There's multiple types of intelligence, and political and sociological knowledge is just as valuable as learning how to fix a car. It's just that the specific value is to be found in a different domain of life.
This is all perfectly fine, and so long as we agree that "smart" =/= "knowledgeable in literally every topic", there really isn't a problem. But I guess that's still the stereotype.
@@vibesanm I wouldn't call that impossible at all. It just requires a ton of technological progress and planning.
I'd in fact say the onset of Artificial intelligence is dangerous on multiple levels, both humanitarian as well as technological and economical.
Thank you for saying that about the Rubik's cube. People just arent adjusted to the idea of "two steps forward, one step back". Ive simplified solving the rubiks cube into about 4-5 procedures. I taught a friend it on the side at a Halloween party. IT IS NOT FANCY.
Big problem its that 90% of you consider that smart and educated are same
Sure cuz a Math PhD From Princeton isn't Smart , he's just educated.
It depends on the subject, that's why so many people study things like English and Philosophy, or something Media related, easy. I doubt you'd get very far at, say, MIT or any other elite school unless you've got some brains. You probably went to DeVry.
I got an educmashun! I got an educmashun! Am smarter than u!
Not the same, but when you don’t exercise your mind, it degenerates.
@MeMelonTV I'm a C-B Student with Good Knowledge in Economics , History , Mathematics , Philosophy , Computer Science and few others , although I'm superior to my peers who have higher grades in Subjects that I don't care about , i don't go around screaming " I'm SMART " , Having straight A+'s in high school doesn't make you educated either , if you're " Well Educated ; Meaning you have a good knowledge in a couple of subjects and deep knowledge in few , maybe even have a graduate degree of some sorts " you probably are smart .
Oh boy, before even watching the video I can think of a couple that crop up *everywhere*.
1) They're usually not all in-your-face about how smart they are
2) They're usually perfectly well adjusted people with normal hobbies and social engagements
3) They are... just smart, without it driving them nuts or causing nervous ticks and stuff...
What else we got, bring it on!
The Rubik's cube thing always bugged me too. My friends were the sort of colossal dorks that learned how to solve a Rubik's Cube in idioticly fast times; one of them could even do it behind his back in under 20 seconds. But this friend of mine was no genius. He was actually sort of an idiot with too much free time to learn trivial bullshit like that.
As for the "mean genius" bit a lot of those guys are meant to be on the spectrum of autism somewhere. House even had an episode about him having aspergers.
I feel like that's almost worse somehow, the autism part. Because people on the autism spectrum aren't automatically abrasive and rude because of it. Some of them are very aware of their limitations and are just kind of socially awkward in figuring out how to do the various social rituals. House, from the bits of the show I've seen, doesn't seem like an accurate aspergers portrayal at all. He seems like a guy who understands social protocol perfectly, but chooses not to follow it because he can't be arsed to do it.
TransparentLabyrinth while that is true, it's also an added hassle to have to choreograph your demeanor around what will make everyone happy when you can't just be blunt and take the route that cuts down the opposition's ego enough where the logic you present is considered more so than it would have been
If you can solve a Rubik's without looking at a manual, then it's like solving a puzzle really quickly which would make you smart.
yeah, aspergers and autism does not equal mandatory genius. but it can mean 'different and unrelatable'. thanks Rainman.
I'm guessing you can't solve a Rubiks cube?
About memorizing though: Several generations ago (my parents? - memorized a bunch of poems), education focused on memorizing. So no, not 'smart,' but 'educated.' And it's a useful shortcut to show those in those generations that
the person is educated.
It is outdated though. And maybe unhelpfully used to conflate 'smart' and 'educated.'
Smart and educated are highly correlated. But education doesn't emphasize memorizing literature/philosophy quotes anymore (there is still memorization of facts and theories of various fields though). So yeah it's a very outdated trope. Plus education has been getting narrower & narrower (because the totality of human knowledge is so big no-one can hope to understand more than a small faction of it), so the whole "knows everything" trope is also awfully outdated. Nowadays knowing literature & historical quotes is more a class/culture thing than an education/intelligence thing.
Depends on your values. Personally I think most "educated" people are dumb as bricks. They just think they are smart because they believe in athority figures that feed them information. Let'sn't confuse "consumption of knowledge" with "the ability to reason through problems"... for example a learned person would say "let'sn't isn't a word" but a problem solver would consider "let'sn't... let us not... why don't we use that contraction more?"
Probably because that contraction doesn't cut down on the number of syllables any more than "let's not" (which is pretty much the entire point of contractions) and only results in one less keystroke, and that keystroke is a space probably one of the fastest keystrokes out there.
but it does remove a pause... like every other use of "n't".
What exactly do you mean by "pause"? I doubt you pause after every word you say.
You missed one of my biggest pet peeves in fiction: genius characters with half a dozen advanced degrees. Three or four PhDs doesn't make you accomplished, it means you're a hobbyist and not contributing anything of note to any one field (probably).
I very much agree with this. I mean it does make you a genius but only one of those skills is actually useful in jobs.
The smartest person I know personally has no degrees. Yet he gets requested to do lectures at universities. He worked for NASA for over 30 years, starting when he was just out of high school.
Yet one of the most useless people I ever met has four degrees in Electrical Engineering, Psychology, Philosophy, and I forget the fourth. He was incapable of holding a coherent discussion about any of those topics.
I spent decades in electronics without a degree, repairing and designing. I've only recently gotten a degree because 1. No HR department will even schedule an interview without a degree and 2. I had an opportunity to have tuition paid for by the Displaced Worker Retraining program.
Ruaridh Purse You literally have to accomplish something/some form of research that contributes to something in respective field in order to get a PhD.
I get your point but making random false statement to prove your point isn’t gonna help
I dont see what being accomplished has to do with a persons intelligence?
Intelligent people tend to have more diverse interests in general, so why wouldnt they also study different fields?
Also isnt it true that by being knowledgeable in multiple areas, that means you have a better understanding of how the world works? And therefore a person might come up with a more creative angle/ different perspective when solving problems.
I do agree that you can be intelligent without multiple university degrees though. (there are genius people without any at all)
I don't think the point is that intelligent people won't know a lot about a lot of things. I think the issue is the trope that the genius has 6 or more PhDs when that is a tremendous outlay of time. Many smart people just get on with working in their field.
“Quoting stuff sounds smart” -Einstein Circa 1027bc
I sure would like it if cracked started saying it was reckless disagreement in the title, I've probably missed a few of them because I didn't know
Brian Dupuis Same. I remember seeing the first video a while back, happened upon another one recently and went "Oh, yeah, this exists." It would be nice if they actually labeled their series.
Yea, I skip poorly titled videos from cracked all the time. Some of them can have any stupid title they want, like this series here, and I'd check it out.
Same thing happened to me
There are more of these? Time to do some youtube-digging
And while they're at it, tell us if the After Hours is the good one or the one with people we don't care about.
So true, a really intelligent person would never try to impress anyone with their cleverness, I imagine a lot learnt early on in life to even hide their intelligence if they were in the gifted top 1%, so they didn't get picked on as children. Also anyone who belittles someone else is dumb, whatever their IQ, there's a difference between intelligence and wisdom.
Chris Gray as the smart kid, I got bullied for it a lot. As hard as it was to make friends, dating was even worse. To make friends, I had to dumb down 5 notches, but for dating about 20. When I decided I wanted to break up with a guy, I’d be me and quit hiding it. I’d tell him about a great documentary I just saw, or bring the book I was reading, instead of pretending to look at a magazine. He’d be gone in 3 days or less.
Chris Gray Agreed 110%!!
IMO, it's one of the , if not THE , earliest lessons learned about interacting with peers. But I'd say the top 10%, not just the top 1%.
I think in some cases it's totally believable for genuinely smart people/characters to try and impress others with their cleverness. If they're trying to convince someone of something, the person they're dealing with will probably be more accepting of the smart person/their input if they make some kind of non-condescending display of wit/intelligence. And some people are even the type to only listen to a more stern challenge. Smart people adapt.
But I still agree with you in general.
I've actually met a few people like this. My first boss acted like he was a total kid and that he was totally in awe of my explanations. Then someone told me he was a scientist/physicist. He was really sweet though, probably the best supervisor I ever had.
Gina Hall, lol this is why I joined robotics, everyone there are nerds and you can be smart and normal cause that is normal for all of us. Let's just say also that lots of relationships happen.....but in my experience people who are smarter than some are superrrrrr nice and polite, much more so than an average person.....but that could just be my experience. Also that part that you aren't great at everything if you are smart is true too soooo, I love math and science, but please don't make fun of my grammar and spelling hahha
I think the whole, "smart people in one area is smart in multiple areas" is a holdover idea from the 19th century and before when you did have people who were well versed in multiple fields of science, philosophy and humanities. However, even back then it was rare and it's nearly impossible now because you need to learn a lot to become an expert in one area. That's why new discoveries usually happen in teams.
Indeed! The "genius times" :)
There's also the whole renaissance man thing. It's easier to be revolutionary in multiple fields when the field is less developed and require less specialized knowledge.
I have an older brother who is extremely intelligent, and also seems to have an eidetic memory. He was pretty much an ass the whole time we were growing up. He hated having to "dumb" stuff down for us normal mortals, and generally refused to. He went into medicine, and is now a doctor. Imagine my surprise when I learned he's praised for his bedside manner! He's also the best Uncle and Father you can imagine, always patient and encouraging. So I think maybe geniuses might have a tenancy to be superior assholes, but can learn to overcome that superiority complex with time and experience.
He decided to adopt children who needed a family rather than add to the population.
jelestra
Good man right there. Being intelligent also means learning to enjoy life and people around you.
jelestra So all smart people are just huge dicks to everyone because they think "I'm so better than you it hurts"? Yeah. This is exactly what repelled me when I was little about "normal mortals". I stayed indoors and played my ps2 half the time.
The other kids were always distant from me and talked behind my back "he thinks he's so smart" "he's a stupid dork", so I was backed into my little corner for 8 years of school because everyone's assumptions about me were just like yours, and only because I always answered the questions and gave my best. It got a little better in high school but instead of ostracizing me they ignored or called me an arrogant prick, without giving an explanation.
Have you ever tried to see things from his perspective?
Sounds like he ate some humble pie at some point in his life. Can't think of anything else that could have changed him
no bad he should have a kid we need more smart people all the stupid people have multiple kids on accident and all the smart people don't have kids the best way to save the population is to pass on your high iq
Today I learned… That RUclips is swarming with geniuses and IQ Test acers
@Cool Dude That is average
One time...i was smart like that. It got me nothing. I'm quite unhappy. You're welcome, internet.
100 is the only IQ that it makes some sense to quote. Say any other number and you invite the question, "on which scale?". Either be damned sure you know which scale (Wechsler, Stamford-Binet, AH-4, etc.) or relate it to a percentile as the various scales use different Standard Deviations. Even then it only makes *some* sense because experts can't agree what intelligence is or how to test it and all IQ tests are riddled with assumptions - the biggest one being that the person being tested is actually motivated to try their hardest
@@gregorwalton very good points. In my experience, i find IQ tests, when properly done, are a fair indicator of "intelligence". If anyone out there is worried about their IQ, don't be. Determination, drive, the desire and ability to work are all much better indicators (and tools) for success. Raw intelligence has much less practical effect than most people realize. I'm a complete failure.
@@Amateur0Visionary Same here. I have an IQ of 140 and I barely passed high school. I can't maintain a minimum-wage entry-level job.
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I don't like using this example in this video. In this moment, Picard was talking to Q who was trying to make themself appear learned and beyond human comprehension.
Picard was calling him out because what Q was boasting about was what Picard did on his spare time. Kinda like "That's not supernatural that's my hobby".
the writing on glass is just a movie thing because it looks "cool" to film from behind the glass
its not practical tho, since you often cant read shit if there is too much light coming in
I relate a lot to Will Hunting... As in, I know a guy with a near photographic memory... And it's frustrating, but amazing.
The guy can regurgitate anything he has been exposed to, and at the same time, can think for himself.
He will take a topic that he previously had no interest in, and if he sees you have an interest in it, will be able to talk to you about it, at an understanding level it may have taken you a lifetime to get to.
He's one of the most social people I know, though. So, yeah, he's not a House or Sherlock type of character.
Anyway, the point is, these people actually exist, and the characters can be extreme, but believable.
Bingo!
"It" may not be him, but just maybe a spirit entity aiding him just like the ones aiding fortune tellers that can reveal life facts about strangers to their marks/customers. Many people don't know much about these "occult" talents.
@@squirelova1815 Actually, fortune tellers use "cold reading", like Sherlock Holmes in "Sherlock." He can accurately make an educated guess of quite a lot about people by observing minor details about their clothes, walk, speech, etc., by his natural intuition, instinctively reading body language and lots of research on various subjects.
@@darlalathan6143 The "Fortune Teller" mediums that my aunt was stupid enough to consult and then even sent my mother to for herself knew very hidden personal details about my aunt and her daughter too. Demonically possessed people can tell you not only about your personal life but exactly the contents of your wallet and pockets. My mother made the sign of the Holy Cross and prayed Dominion of Christ above the medium "Fortune Teller"'s tarot deck. When the "Fortune Teller" Witch came out from behind her curtain to perform she suddenly became very pale, disturbed and was shivering and said she did not feel well and could not perform! Coincidence? Maybe they're not all in league with Demons but that profession goes back to ancient Oracles like Delphi were the Prophetess of the "gods" would get stoned on "herbs" and Prophecy by communing with them; the "gods" really being DEMONS as St. Paul wrote = the Ruthless, Uncaring "gods" of the ancients.
I think that the first trope actually is more of a historical sign of wealth, education, and learning that became a mark of intelligence. If you went back even just a hundred years, education had a more uniformed approach, one that traced its roots back to the middle ages and the renaissance. Its known as classical education now, and put simply, it has students learn a large sum of facts and information, as well as familiarizing themselves with a variety of different arguments and theories in a variety of fields.
As the student moves into higher education, they would start doing there own independent research and study, but were still expected to be a renaissance type; knowing a variety of subjects well and being skilled in a variety of areas. This is why you hear these stories of people like Teddy Roosevelt being able to right a Naval history of the War of 1812 as an undergraduate at Harvard, or nearly anybody with any education being able to quote Latin verse. If you could not, your education was considered a sham. But being able to memorize and quote a variety of information implied things about who you were and your social status.
There was a social incentive, as well as a genuine academic incentives, to flaunt your "intelligence" and show how much you have memorized. Before the age of the internet, and especially before the prevalence of libraries, you would need a lot of money to be educated -being able to just sit around and memorize old books all day. Wealth is a clear sign of status, and anyone would want to indicate that they have it. This does not undercut a clear academic purpose that comes with a vast memory bank of knowledge either. While modern society does not emphasize this ability, or particularly need it because of the internet, anyone can testify that there are some things that simply must be memorized and learned as one ascends in academia and life, with basic multiplication tables being a clear example. When there is no internet, and finding something in a book takes a lot of time, memorizing is a clear way to speed up the process of academic work.
As education changed through out the 20th century, as well as the geo-political atmosphere and societal hierarchies, the incentives for this skill lessened or nearly evaporated. "Why do I need to remember when the Magna Carta was memorized when I could just google it? "
But, meanwhile, literature and film had already made this a trope and continued to use it as an easy shorthand. Film makers are inspired by others works, and iconic shots or scenes are often remade or re-shot to reference those works. So, no surprise to see that it continues on as a trope, even if it is a culturally dated or has become an antiquated idea about intelligence.
I actually have memorized a significant quantity of information... This is in the form of lectures that I can deliver word perfect. I don't think this makes me a smart person, I thinks it means I put in the time and the effort to memorize this stuff, I can imagine the person on the receiving end would have a high image of me because of such concepts and vocabulary...
This explains so much, especially how for even wealthy women who lived in societies where educated women were shunned, were sent off to be educated in women's colleges like in the US around the 1800's. Even rich women had to flaunt their intelligence,even if they weren't going to use it because their job was to be a trophy wife.
A well thought out analysis.
Sad Smart People Fact:
Not all who are great at learning and solving math problems are responsible with their money, i.e., financially secure.
He Was Fuzzy Wuzzy is that a thing? I wouldnt know because im bad at math and finance
Stereotypes exist because the amount of truth they hold. A common trope is "If you're so brilliant, why aren't you rich?"
Joel Ellis smart people too preoccupied with work and solving problems and shit to worry about money yo; not like i'd know, but hey it's the internet and there's my opinion.
I recognise that quote from Percy Bysshe Shelley's 'Ozymandias' which coincidentally he mentioned earlier in the video.
Here's a thing. The time domain is mostly ignored in intelligence assessment. Most quiz shows are based upon memory recall and mental reaction time, not the ability to extrapolate meaningful answers from minimum data. A computer with a slow clock speed derives the same answer as a fast computer, it just takes longer. The fast computer is not smarter, just faster.
So in my teens, I concluded that for better or for worse, I was about as smart as I was ever going to be, which was not particularly bright. But using the slow-fast computer analogy, I worked out that if I just learn to be patient, give in to an vivid imagination and stay focused for much longer than the people around me, I could fake being smart. It works really well.
Funnily enough actual intelligence tests are based on the same flawed idea of intelligence. So I usually do really well on intelligence tests but on actual problems, not quite as well. Got into one job after another that was way above my head that way.
the thing with nice genius characters in movies is that by definition they have nothing to really learn.
And fact is when Alan Turing worked on enigma he was a grown up which means he knew how to interact with other people he didn't need to learn it.
Finally let's not forget that the movie industry isn't where most of the very smart people goes
alright we got it the first time don't post it twice
I never said the movie industry was full of idiots, just that you'll find places were people tend to be smarter. I mean if you think that 4 years of university in creative writing, is going to impress a nuclear physicist think again.
Alan Turning was notoriously socially awkward even into adulthood some even think he might have been Autistic. He was brilliant but if he wasn't socially awkward in the movie then they wouldn't have been truthfully portraying his character
Maeve Franklin, then it seems I wasn't given the same source, my bad.
I think I'm just tired of geniuses being portrayed as circus freak to make us feel better about ourselves
Smart people are very hard working, reading lots of books and solving lots of problems on paper. They do all those things that people find boring. So movies portray smart people as the exact opposite of what they are.
I've always been bothered by this, thank you.
I'm sorry this bothers so much. Maybe you should try a little bit more of that?
I don't now how you got your ideas, but given the title of this video, I thought it was clear that I was bothered by Hollywood's portrayal of smart people.
I think this could apply to anyone who has the same occupation as the hero in the movie. I hate it when I see one character do the work of a team of engineers and scientists in one day what normally would take years. No one is as good at what they do as the hero in any movie - not even close. But it's entertainment. You have to leave reality at the door to let the story move along.
They seem to think that greatness in certain areas comes from genius and talent rather than work and study.
When in reality greatness in certain areas comes from genius and talent AND A HELL LOT OF WORK AND STUDY
Yeah, except Dr. House is an ass because he’s in constant pain from his leg and lashes out, and Tony Stark is a diagnosed narcissist with daddy issues. They’re not mean because they’re smart, they’re mean/self-centered because they’re messed up.
So is the Sherlock Holmes portrayed by Cumberbatch; an anti-social addict with some level of asd
Tessa, Wren said the word "except" meaning, they were exceptions from what the guy above blabber about.
As someone related to a drug addict, Its the drugs that makes Dr. House an asshole, the pain just makes him whiny and annoying.
Scott Morgan Actually it’s neither. In one early ep someone asks Wilson what H was like before his leg and he replies that he was pretty much the same before as he is after.
Hs real issue and motivation is clearly explained in the ep where he wakes up the guy from a coma and they take a trip to get him a sandwich. He tells a story about a doc in the orient that was an untouchable, and yet he’s still the guy other docs go to because he knows what he’s doing. H says he greatly admired that.
@@Gamer1st1 I disagree, but it's a tv show, at the end of the day we all walk away from it with a different perspective. I could also spend hours talking about how much about addiction that show got wrong as it got right. I'm just saying from my experience, drug addiction, particularly pain numbing medication, can make people mean and angry. And usually when you take those drugs away, the pain, real or imagined, can make them whiny and annoying, and also extremely mean.
I think the main reason why smart people are dicks in movies is because it's an easy way get write an in depth character, one with social flaws to go along with their extraordinary intelligence. Verses trying to write a kind and smart character but also trying to find clever ways to show the audience this smart person is also imperfect and human. I'm not saying it's impossible to write but it can easily fall into the areas of Mary Sues and Gary Lues, and it's just easier and less time consuming to write smart people as assholes.
lol, Gary Lues, I always call them Marty Stews. Check out the website TV Tropes, it's basically an index of narrative trends and cliches, it's pretty funny if you're into writing.
They should give smart people crippling imposter syndrome. That is more accurate.
I agree with pretty much all of this, but some of these points aren't what Hollywood gets wrong about smart people, it's that they just use literary shorthand to convey a point. Take for example the writing on glass, that is just trope shorthand for "their genius must get out, even if that means writing on the first thing in sight". Or the epiphanies in films, it would be really "dull" to show that the story of Turing was a slow, arduous, mind-numbing, soul-destroying job undertaken by many people stuck in a room so Hollywood "streamlined" it for the sake of the narrative. If anything, these would be cases of "Why Hollywood thinks it's okay to condescend to it's audiences". That's a topic for another time though, I guess.
Not directly related to original comment, but the movie really didn't do him justice "streamlining" the full process. I mean how many times in movies do you see a workout or makeover montage. If it'd be too tedious to show fully why not do a quick montage instead.
I think this would be about "impact". Epiphanies show "intelligence" like a eureka moment. "Oh my god, I have it, it's been staring us in the face all this time but my amazing brain pieced it together" is a lot more interesting, I guess, than showing someone slowly working it out like a jigsaw puzzle. Remember, if you make things *too* wordy or *too* "intellectual", it can alienate an audience. I do agree though, I think that film about Turing really didn't do him justice.
Gerry C That's hilarious!
Actually, writing on 'glass' (clear plastic, really) is perfectly valid. For example, I did it all the time in the Navy - part of my job was learning how to write backwards on a large, vertical moboard (it's a type of chart) which was on a clear plastic writing surface. The whole purpose of the board was for writing on. I wrote the information the others were telling me on the board, and then everyone in my workstation could see all the information, tracked over time, as one cohesive chart. It's like writing on a chalkboard or a whiteboard, but with the added bonus of being able to write on it without blocking other people's view of what you are writing. The real 'sin' in movies is that they always get the point of the clear plastic wrong, considering that the person writing and the people reading what is written are on the same side of the board. They should be on opposite sides, with the writer writing backwards.
Fun fact: China markers are commonly used on clear boards and are 100% erasable. Hollywood gets this wrong, too; seriously, Sharpie markers? What idiot writes with Sharpies on clear boards in real life?
Desolo SubHumus Perfectly valid in the context of something like the Navy perhaps, not if you working on science, alone, in your office. Nobody is going to bother to learn writing backwards for that.
We did that in college. We had a club in mechatronics and we were given a room to work, funny thing the walls were made of glass so we wrote on them and oh boy we did. It was fun.
also mirrors. my partner and i write on our mirror at home all the time because we don't have a whiteboard. right now it has a sketch of a reinforcement learning model. a few weeks ago, it had our other friend's like entire social network in college. before that... maybe the acceleration measurements from a rocket or something? also we used it to teach our other friend intro calculus at a party.
Nobody's going to give you the extra funding for a clear whiteboard either lol
WAIT, THEY'RE USING SHARPIES??!?!? D: THE FOOLS!!!!!
Smart, yes high self-esteem... not so much
Makes good choices oh definitely not.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Carrera She surpassed the genius threshold for IQ by 16 points and experienced all sorts of problems with money and relationships.
James Downs I think you might watch too much porn if your the first person to come into your head when you think "troubled genius" is a pornstar.
What are you talking about? How have I watched too much porn? She exceeds the genius threshold in IQ and she had lots of problems. She was homeless and had plenty difficulty coping with things that had happened in her life. She fits it perfectly.
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The correct translation of the Latin in tombstone and what it means in context....Doc Holliday: In Vino Veritas.
[In wine is truth. - Meaning - "When I'm drinking, I speak my mind."]
Johnny Ringo: Age Quod Agis.
[Do what you do. - Meaning - "Do what you do best."]
Doc Holliday: Credat Judaeus Apella, Non Ego. [The Jew Apella may believe it, not I. - Meaning -"Oh I don't believe drinking is what I do best."]
Johnny Ringo: Eventus Stultorum Magister.
[Events are the teachers of fools. - Meaning - "Fools have to learn by experience."]
Doc Holliday: In Pace Requiescat.
[Rest in peace - Meaning - "It's your funeral!"]
Einstein: one day people will say stuffs that I didn't said
I remember that Tweet!
Oh don't worry, smart people aren't hiding anything. Anything at all.
The secret meeting is still on, right?
Matea Zovko I dunno, I hid my yugioh cards pretty well ;)
Yeah but "The Donald" is coming
Comrade Vladimir Lenin I thought you took care of the duck.
The blue duck howls at midnight.
The guy kinda looks like Will Graham from the tv show 'Hannibal'
Nope
Agree, I thought the same thing
he became a sex bomb all of a sudden
Marta Sabatino and Neil Patrick Harris
He also look like Elvis the Alien
You don't have to be smart to be a dick to people...but I think being smart helps you get away with it sometimes. That's probably why Hollywood does that to smart characters; they're the only protagonists you can make dickish. If you get a relatively average or not particularly intelligent person and also make them a dick, nobody will sympathize with them and they can't carry a leading role. Actually, these dickish protagonists don't even need to be smart; they just need to be the best at something. Then 9/10 times the movie is about how they're the best and could make the world a better place, but need to overcome their flawed personality and interpersonal relationships to really become a hero. Anyway...I'm rambling now.
I really doubt it has anything to do with that. First, I'll point out a very well studied and common condition: Asperger's Syndrome, which is a condition comprehended within the autism spectre. The thing about this condition is that those who present it tend to be dickheads, and when measuring their intelligence, Asperger type individuals tend to be above average smart, along with a predisposition to develop obsessive behaviour. This makes it so that these inidividuals are much more likely to make breakthroughs in science than regular people. Ive mentioned AS due to its popularity in films and series.
On the other hand, theres the regular, very smart individual: While these guys may not be as exciting to portray as AS persons, very smart individuals do feel alienated from the rest of the community they belong to. Never fitting in, while also not understanding their struggles, leads them to actually resent people of average intelligence, this resentment is not limited to people, their loneliness does leave them bitter to the core, and the end result is quite often an individual who's a jerk to most, because (s)he feels they wouldnt understand him.
So I wouldnt say Hollywood makes smart people assholes with the premise that "Its okay, since theyre smart and necessary, everyone has to suck up to them and the audience will still like them", but rather "Most people will relate to smart people being dicks, be it either because they have been in the receiving end of their meanliness or because they themselves are smart and have been the jerk themselves".
I'm not saying there aren't smart people like that in real life (which is one reason that type of character is portrayed in movies and shows) but being smart doesn't make you alienated in itself. I'm just saying there are a larger number of kind, relatively socially adjusted intelligent people than Hollywood would have you believe based on how many maladjusted intelligent individuals they tend to portray.
"It's dumb people who tend to be cocky and overestimate their own intelligence." Cracked's new motto.
Yeah, I rolled my eyes when I saw child-spock in his genius reciting the formula for the volume of a sphere, I'm like, "JJ Abrahms is so stupid! Zachary Quinto is so Stupid, Spock didn't just recite facts rote to show he was intelligent "What was Kiri Kin tha's first law of metaphysics?" "Nothing unreal exists" "correct", but in general I've noticed that when theater and english majors have to demonstrate the math or spatial reasoning skills of a genius character in their stories said spectacles of intelligence are usually limited to addition and subtraction, reciting formualae rote and "I programmed my computer to do-" It's like since they never took anything beyond college algebra, all feats of intellect have to come from mastery of remedial topics.
Except that was supposed to be part of his schooling (if I remember correctly). I'm no reboot fan, but lots of educational systems require you to first memorise information, and then apply it further on in your education. If at that stage he was able to complete the required tasks at a more advanced level than expected then it would still be evidence of intelligence. But I do agree that we rely too much on memory as a supposed sign of intelligence and it does affect people when they reach university level. I'm in my final year and my lecturers still make it a point before every assignment to remind the class that you need to actually apply knowledge, not just list it.
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9:00 Ozymandias is my favourite poem. Shame it was only a couple of lines
My favorite novel is the story of Gilgamesh. I am well versed in mythology... Just kidding I just watch Anime.
I watch anime too and I ended up reading The Epic of Gilgamesh because of the Fate series! xD
I watched the Fate series too! that means i'm well educated on the epic of Gilgamesh, Iskander's conquest and camelot.
@Gerry C And yet, a few comments up, some deluded soul called knowing that poem "useless knowledge"
@Gerry C Which I didn't know! I will check out Smith. I took the original poster as joking that everyone only quotes the last few lines? (Shelley's poem is much better! )
Jonny Kim by the time he was 35 had become a Navy SEAL combat veteran, an M.D. and was selected to become an astronaut.
Is he genius or a subject matter expert in three different fields?
Yeah, Turing and co didn't suddenly realise that they should be looking for known words in the enigma messages. They figured that out from the start. The problem was that the Germans changed the design of their machines part way into the war and they had to start all over again.
Most of these characters show people have not so much an obsession with smart people, or even geniuses. They're polymaths. Probably because it's impressive and extraordinarily rare IRL.
I was smart once
Til I took an arrow to the knee...
@@StreetGeekz I hoped someone had written this as an answer;)
I do terribly on IQ tests (I have very poor immediate short term memory if I can't attach it to something so saying awijgeno or random words back isn't my strong suit and even if I finish puzzles and math but take more than 30 seconds) but tons of people think I'm highly intelligent. I've read enough to do okay and my boyfriend stops me from repeating myself so I think of a new thing. Stops me sounding like the looped tape a lot of people are. E.g. - people tell me about things that I knew years ago like anti-zionsts in Iran. Like refugees on Nauru, like how power prices has gone up not down under liberal government(Australian). How revenge of the nerds is one of the worst movies for a metoo# re-look. I know the meanings of most words in my native language English. I've written a few unpublished novels but none of my friends read so I don't get feedback. I once thought anti-oxidants weren't a real thing because so much of the diet industry is bullshit(this is were assumption got me down). E.g. - there is organic things in your wall and plenty of toxic things are natural. I keep being told that 'organic' is regulated wordage but it isn't. Stardust theory and void theory blow my mind. I like that people have their own POV (points of veiw) but man does hearing someone elses out the 100th mouth sound boring. Or maybe it's something you believe because it was said so many times e.g. - Albert Einstein never failed math.
I've gone on a rant no-one will understand now. Anyway enjoy your lives and your POV!
@@ADerpyReality Sounds like you just think a lot and have convinced yourself that you're creative and therefore intelligent. Not that I understand intelligence myself but I don't think it's what you're describing
But then you took an arrow to the knee
Its the same thing as memorizing every line of a song that you like.
While the trope takes the memorizing thing way too far I think the original idea was to show that a person is well read. Being able to know when someone is ripping off quotes from a book and identifying the author is to illustrate that this person has read a lot of books on a wide range of subjects.
As a very smart person I found that all these stereotypes actually hurt smart people. If you're not as good as TV Genius you might think you're not smart enough; since you aren't as confident as a TV genius you think you're not smart enough; since you can't memorize everything you think you're not smart enough; and since you probably are socially awkward you feel like trash because you're not good at anything. And that's why everyone's got anxiety now
I'm sorry but I can you actually provide evidence that you're a "very smart person"?
Most smart people would know that TV geniuses are completely fake and just watch purely for enjoyment.
You'd think but no. That's exactly what I'm talking about, that real smartness is _nothing_ like TV smartness; being smart, aka having a good memory, making calculations in your head, making connections very quickly, solving logical problems, etc, does not guarantee good social skills, or immunity to social pressure. I mean regular people tend to put a lot of pressure on smart people to behave in the way they think a smart person is doing right now; you yourself are doing that right now, assuming that any "smart person" can resist the influence of media, even thought the large majority of people in the world cannot (not entirely I mean, people aren't zombies controlled by TV); not to mention completely ignoring that "smart" is not a type of personality, 2 random smart people are likely to be completely different from one another.
You're not smart if you need to tell people you're smart.
@satrio GOD!! This is what I'm complaining about! That people have this idea of what being smart is, and it's fucking not. Being smart has nothing but make me miserable and giving me anxiety. Because I have this skills, society demands me to be better than everyone else, and I'm not; I'm just a person with a good memory! The fact that you think I'm humble bragging is the problem; you think I think I'm better than you, I'm not better than anyone else, in fact I'm worse; because the things people consider "gifts" my memory, my ability to overthink, they make me anxious and embarrassed.
Being smart *isn't* a gift; it's characteristic like being good at rapping. I'm not humble-bragging or whatever you think I'm doing; I'm honestly expressing my pain and you're a jerk
Definitely not "a very smart person" in regards to psychology I'll tell you that.
Real "smart people" come up with their own philosophy and point out their own observations instead of quoting another's.
They write on glass board so the camera can film their face from different angles
Being smart is depressing... mostly because smart people realize what the stupid people are doing, and even more, realize it is going to hurt... a lot.
Mike Holloway,
It's so sad that this is so true.
No that's called being depressed. You can be really really good at programming, math, history, etc. and still be happy.
Please tell me more about my inferiority
Love how the thumbnail say 5 things movies get wrong but shows a pic from a TV show
You know why? Because people in acting think that being smart means you memorize things, because that's how intelligence and skill is presented in actors.
Trust in Dog ... but actors aren’t typically writing their own lines
It has less to do with thinking that memorization skills is the sole equivalent to a high level of intelligence, it likely has far more to do with the fact that it is far easier to write out a scene where a character displays memorization skills to show intelligence vs showing high levels of comprehension.
5:00 when u became an expert in thermonuclear astrophisics?
Tony: last night
I’ve always hated Hollywood’s portrayal of everybody who’s intelligent. This video was great.
Why, because you think you're one of the intelligent people what Hollywood is misrepresenting? Lol, please.
The remember everything thing always bug me.
Because Hollywood intelligence sort of undermines anybody who is aspiring to research on any subject. It is like if I am not like that I can't truly find something new or make something no one has before. I mean look at fidget spinners fgs. Genius!!
I have always hated Hollywood
After memorizing the rubics cube pattern, I used to mess with people at my call center by solving it in a couple of hours. Of course there were a few people that knew it only actually takes less than 20 minutes.
People can solve it in a few seconds. You can't even follow what they are doing. It looks crazy.
The smartest people I've met were always a pleasure to be around. Generally polite but definitely not pushovers. Very social yet had few friends. Deep thinkers but acted oblivious. Very emotional but had care - free attitudes. Just what I've noticed.
But if you're smart AND mean, then you can find more effective and interesting ways to be mean. Versus someone who is just dumb and mean and can only stumble upon successfully being mean.
Darwin Xavier lol
Darwin Xavier an issue that has lead some of the worst leaders and people through history
Like Cyrano De Bergerac
Am I the only one only clicked because they saw Sherlock?
No, I did as well xD
I did too!
Im a scientist and i actually find it more activating to write formulas or diagrams on glass or mirrors. It lets you edit liberally and place paper modifications behind the glass. Most of us dont have large whiteboards available. Its easy to clean...its also temporary so you have to take photos or memorize it before erasing. Dont leave stuff for janitors to clean....😊
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings! Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
"Let us go then, you and I, when the evening is spread out against the sky like a patient etherized upon a table."
@@whoisbatman Yay! I have insomnia, and Prufrock is my favorite poem to recite. It's the best!
@@lazyhomebody1356 It's literally the best, yes :-D
@@whoisbatman Usually picked as THE poem of the 20th Century
"most of reddit " fucking lol .
um its "Most of reddit"........ I dont know I fucking hate grammer nazis
flap jack yeah but that's what makes it exciting until you get tired and sleepy from all the bullshit
When I was a child, people thought I was a genius because I did well in all my classes. Basically, I had a knack for predicting what would be on the test. It turned out that I was just very good at memorizing random stuff and taking tests without really understanding the nuances of the knowledge. I knew things but I didn't feel them. There was no joy in the knowing. Knowing just for the sake of knowing. That's not a sign of genius.
Sometimes,having common sense can be better than trying to act so smart.
Your video has a VERY professional appearance, perfectly clear but strong looking like a movie. I wish every youtube video people put out had such an air. I guess Cracked can afford a bit more than many. Good job also on the subject material.
It's true that almost no one has phd level knowledge in multiple fields. But it's also true that those who learn easily often have a larger body of knowledge than average in many areas. There are people who are just plain "smart" as defined by retaining information and being fluent with it. Of course, there are different subtypes of intelligence within this.
For instance, those who figure out the rubix cube without instructions are often those with good spacial intelligence.
Finally, don't dis the Nye. He is fighting the good fight on climate change.
Though I do agree with all of this, many of the examples of smart people being mean have reasons to be that way. You'll find in everyday life that many people (but certainly not everyone) tends to get impatient with those who are much less skilled. Doesn't matter what it is - it could be sports, a game, a craft, etc. If you are a newbie or layman and a pro has to deal with your presence (in whatever way), that pro might lose his/her patience (like Sherlock Holmes). With movies and TV shows involving smart people, the reason the show is made about them is because they're not just good, they're the best, and they collected an ego as a result (like Tony Stark). It is also worth pointing out that many savants (again, not all) tend to have _really_ bad people skills, and can unintentionally come across as mean (like John Nash).
As for House, he was kind of a combination of all of these things, and, he was in chronic pain.
As someone who personally knows several people who have actually worked with John Nash, I can tell you unequivocally that he actually is a gigantic racist, misogynistic, anti-semitic asshole in real life. If anything, the movie was too kind in excusing his behavior as a result of mental illness.
Ron Yahil What if his behavior was due to his mental ill mess. Assuming his behavior had been less intense, would you have accepted mental illness as a sufficient excuse?
That and IQ and EQ (= emotional/empathic intelligence) are two different things. There are intellectually challenged people that are emotionally intelligent and are very empathic while there are people with a high IQ who lack empathy and "social intelligence". A lot of savants and autistic spectrum people also lack social skills and have problems understanding "right half of the brain issues". The left half of the brain is responsible for logic and analytic/rational thinking while the right half of the brain is responsible for emotions, dreams, creativity. Often people tend to be more skilled concerning one half. (Talents concerning the right half of the brain are harder to measure and to prove though).
But does "not being capable of reading emotion" equals "not caring about them"? I mean, a smart person might not know what people think and thus being insecure, or be afraid of hurting someone and thus being shy.
Leonardo Rossi You are correct. Autistics do care even if they are unsure about your reactions or don't react themselves. My son hates how when he gets into trouble his teachers think he's smiling because he's being an ass. He smiles because he is scared and embarrassed which is completely opposite of not caring.
"It's a party trick, like knowing origami."
As someone who has folded high level models and designed his own origami models, I hate when people who know nothing about an artform equate the entirety of its skillset to its most basic.
It's like comparing all the great paintings in the world to the dick scrawled on a bathroom wall.
Another misconception: smart people get everything straight and have easier lifes. Hell no.
I think smart people are often portrayed as assholes because society romanticizes mental disorders. Creative geniuses are often portrayed as manic, bipolar, obsessive, etc., and computational geniuses or those types of people in detective shows are often neurotic, obsessive compulsive, sociopathic, autistic, etc. This does not explain for the commonly seen arrogance, but often this accounts for the portrayal of character who seem self centered and often unaware of the effects of their actions on the humans around them as that is a perceived quality of some mental illnesses.
anything to normalize how pitiful, deranged, and drug addicted we've all become!
try being a piano player in movies!
Also: Smart people who have been smart from a young age (Say Tony Stark) often have issues when it comes to things they're not immediately good at, because they've never encountered it before. Now obviously in the case of Tony Stark he's had a few years to adjust, but for once I would like to see a smart-but-young character actually just break down or give up when first facing an actual challenge, because that's actually what tends to happen.
Smart-From-A-Young-Age people also tend to have 0 study skills because schools don't bother teaching kids who already get good grades how to actually study. Meaning if they are suddenly average in a certain subject, they fail.
Z BWorth the giving up part is real and you'd notice it yourself but to find the right way to get out of this pit, that'll be the most difficult thing.
"Look on my works, ye mighty and despair." - Shelly.
Am I smart now?
Cs i just memorized that from Watchmen and Alien Covenant.
A lot of these memorizations aren't that incredible though. The page number for Good Will Hunting was obnoxious, admittedly, but I would recognise instantly if someone was loaning thought from Alexis de Toqueville and could probably conclude the thought before they could finish. This isn't because I'm unrealistically intelligent; it's because I studied him for a large amount of time. Same goes for Picard quoting Hamlet. I can recognize and quote plenty of poetry. For example, I recognise "do not go quietly into the night" isn't actually from 'Independence Day' but instead a loan from Dylan Thomas', "Do not go gentle into that good night". This isn't because I'm brilliant but because I like poetry, and when I like a poem I read it dozens of times which forces my brain to memorize it.
I think people treating intelligence as a single measurable metric is ridiculously stupid. Everybody is smart in drastically different ways. IQ tests are purely theoretical and don't really mean much in the grand scheme of things. You could have someone be practically a prodigy at physics and math, but then not be able to construct a sentence that is grammatically correct, or vice versa. I've seen plenty of people on RUclips especially who slave over grammatical precision in their comments to seemingly make themselves sound smarter, but it's irrelevant. Sure, they are intelligent in language and grammar. But that doesn't mean they are intelligent at everything else just because they can form a sentence perfectly and can use big words that others can't. Back to the IQ thing again, how can anyone take something such as a number, a definite statistic, and apply it to something as abstract as intelligence (not to mention intelligence could be viewed as subjective as well)? I guess it has to do with the way society operates, seeing as we've turned intelligence into a competition. Is what it is.
The page number could even have been a bluff, no one there had the book.
And the Good Will Hunting thing drives me nuts. The reason Will is able to isolate and identify that quote down to the page number is not that he spends time memorizing those things it is that he has a nearly perfect eidetic memory.
@@wazleyy Intelligence only means how well you are able to learn and remember certain topics.
Someone with a high IQ has an easier time to understand difficult stuff, than someone with a low IQ.
This does not mean that someone with a low IQ can't understand it.
It's just the time it takes to learn it, which is the difference.
Someone with a high IQ for example only needs a week to learn something new, while someone with a low IQ needs a month or more for the exact same topic, both starting with the exact same base knowledge.
Intelligence =|= Knowledge
That's why someone with a high IQ does not necessarily know anything, it's only inclined, because it is easier for him to aquire knowledge.
It's not a given though.
Trying to work out what you mean by a protege at physics... Do you mean prodigy?
its not only Hollywood.. In Belgium, we have a tv show called "the smartest human/person", which is just a quiz with famous Belgian people where almost all questions are knowledge based. The winner isn't necessarily smart, he just knows a lot of useless stuff..
Would be more interesting if they gave them math equations and stuff
Nathan Haaren it's an entertainment show :D
1. the title "the most knowledgeable person" is less appealing to people rather than "the smartest human/ person".
2. if the show was about smart people solving math equations is probably less entertaining than average people answering stuff
that reminds me of "who wants to be a millionare?" it's just an elaborate, dramatic, high stakes trivia game. but hey, it makes the average viewer at home feel better about themselves/more involved when they actually know some of the answers, aka entertainment.
Knowing Math equations...doesn't mean you're smarter either, because like Einstein pointed out, there are so many different types of smarts and geniuses, so maybe YOU can believe being good at mathematical equations=being smart...but I could think that being a good clever comedian=smart. We're both right, Stephen Colbert is smarter than Neill Tyson in some ways, but Neill Tyson is smarter than Stephen in others.
@@reneelucero2923, also stsndardized math is pretty knowledge based as well. Sure math in general is based on logic, but someone with a 200iq isn't going to know how to do calculus without even knowing what it is.
Love your videos! Keep them coming!
I feel like the first one is pretty true though. Smart people tend to be able to reference/cite things relevant to the context more often. Part of intelligence seems to be applying things you've learned into new contexts and a relevant quote or saying can be one of them, especially if it contributes to witty banter. Just my two cents that it isn't entirely silly.
Being able to apply your knowledge means you're smart.
Spending your entire time memorizing miscellaneous facts and quotes means you don't really do anything else
Doesn’t mean they’re smart just means they can retain information
Good point about memorizing stuff not proving you're smart, but the "Good Will Hunting" scene is probably not a good example of Hollywood not getting it. I think the whole idea of the scene is that the arrogant big mouth, who actually isn't that bright (Dunning Kreuger effect) thinks he can impress people with how smart he is by spending hours memorizing that, while the guy who is really a genius recognizes it because he remembers everything he barely glanced at years ago.
I thought that they make characters quote lines of Shakespeare or Donne etc, to show that they are well-read. It's a short cut of showing intelligence without having to show them reading or having a personal library. I think too that some characters are mean because it's their only real flaw; for example without his dick-headness, Sherlock would be rich, amazingly intelligent, succesful, good looking and intelligent- it's too much.
Being well read does not equate to higher intelligence in real life though.
Being well read is alright, but doesn't really make you intelligent, it's kinda more memorization like he mentioned in the video. Real intelligence needs to be demonstrated with something original, not reciting the words and achievements of others.
I'm not really sure intelligence can be built at all though... it's kind of something you are or you aren't. That being said intelligent people often don't use that intelligence and sometimes make the worst decisions in life. Counter to that unintelligent people often develop a much better work ethic and can excel at something just as much as anyone else with practice and effort... the same things intelligent people need to excel. It's kind of a weird trait... it's somewhat important to be intelligent but also kind of meaningless and offers no guarantee of anything.
+DeludoSui
_Being well read does not equate to higher intelligence in real life though._
No? It's not guaranteed, no. But I guess I would have assumed a correlation. Admittedly, intelligence isn't just one thing.
But I don't know why well-read people would necessarily quote from the books they read. Quotes are the _least_ useful part of reading a book, don't you think? You can understand the ideas and the information in a book without ever memorizing a particular phrase.
Bill Garthright yeah. I'm a big reader (and I like to think I'm smart) but I don't know many fancy quotes. I remember the message. Even when I do remember a quote urs something I thought was cool like fight club and its never exact. I'm only paraphrasing
it's just an established short hand that doesn't threaten losing the audience. But it can be clumsy if the quote is really only middle school english level or the writer isn't familiar enough with the source material to use the quote in a correct context.
1) The point of showing characters memorizing things like poetry is to illustrate that they are both well read and that they comprehend what they are reading. Most people read poetry and don't get it, so understanding poetry and taking it to heart is pretty smart.
2) There is a subset of smart people who are also sociopaths, generally in fields where you have to have fantastically large egos and confidence in order to do the job well. Like neurosurgeons. This is also prevalent in academic fields where you constantly have to defend your research. The movies use this trope to show you that these smart people are socially awkward without portraying them as juvenile or inept.
2a) That's not what Dunning-Kruger is at all. The DK effect states that someone will a little bit of skill or knowledge in something tends to believe they are a lot more competent than they actually are. Conversely, people with a lot of skill or knowledge in a subject tend to underrate their own ability. It has nothing to do with being nice.
3) Movies have smart people write on glass so they can show the actor's face while they are writing, and you don't get long shots of the back of their head. It allows the actor to emote intensity.
4) Contradicts your point in 3. Smart people writing on glass is showing them working on things.
5) Smart people do tend to be smart in a lot of things. Going back to #1, smart people tend to be well read on a variety of subjects. Most Ph.D researchers I know, regardless of field, learn programming to collate large data sets in Matlab. They may also learn some circuitry, CNC machining, or other fabrication skills depending on what they are working on. Smart people are adept at learning.
One of my pet peeves is "child geniuses" reciting the pi to its n-th number.
That's just plane memorizing. Solving complex problems or being way ahead of peers or seeing the solution much quicker than others is more descriptive, than the ability and free time to memorize things no one needs.
Human intelligence involves processing (thinking/reasoning), not just storage (memorization). School is mostly just storage, explaining why bright and/or creative kids often detest it. If all you want to do is memorize a huge pile of facts/figures/general data, that's what a hard disk is for.
Ive watched Rick and Morty and my grades are still low af
Pls help
1:20 "expensive sounding words" thats a nice description ^^
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The exchange in Latin quotes in Tombstone was a demonstration that both men had gotten classic educations, not that they were smart. This was one of the things that people did in the 19th and earlier centuries: a good education always included learning and memorizing large passages of Greek and Latin
Matt Damon doesn’t memorise things, he’s got eidetic memory