Star Wars The Acolyte SERIES PREMIERE Review
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“Osha” is an odd name for someone who lives in a galaxy that famously lacks guardrails.
DAMN DUDE, haaa
And starts out doing illegally unsafe work!! That was my first thought too!
The difference between Star Trek and Star Wars
Star Trek designers will put in guard rails yet not give anybody a seatbelt
Star Wars makes everybody strap in (not on Pam) when they jump to light speed, yet they always cut bulding cost by not installing railings
Don't worry about it, that's what the intertial dampners are for ;)
@@Qicksilver0075 Honestly, the prison-ship crash we just watched is the first time I've seen a seatbelt in live-action Star Wars...
Cassian should've at least sat down like Luthen told him to. But the fact Cassian was thrown off his feet by the jump was a clue that "Fondor" is a proper hot-rod. Imagine the chaos if G-Forces like that were had whenever a ship jumps! Hotel rooms trashed, dinner parties aboard Star Destroyers absolutely ruined, passengers on the Space Bus tumbling down the aisles.
Actually I'd watch a montage of that sh*t after a couple shots of rum.
If there's one thing that has been missing from the Star Wars universe, it's OSHA. Finally! Maybe she'll see that handrails are installed on catwalks.
Hey! Whoa! You can't go lightsabering through that wall. It's load bearing!
I don't get the joke. Does osha mean something in English?
In the US it refers to the Occupational Health and Safety Administration, a government agency tasked with ensuring workplaces have the proper safety measures. So things like making sure there are handrails or hardhats where they're needed.
Hey, I'd love to believe that, but unfortunately one of my friends dragged me to one of those awful Michael Bay movies a decade ago and I've never been able to forget it since. I didn't need to know about Romeo and Juliet laws.
Manny Jacinto is the Apothecary! He played Jason in “The Good Place”, one of my favorite actors I love that dude.
Totally agree with you, I was super excited going into it, the show’s heart is in the right place and I love what it’s saying about the Jedi and its authority (I hope it actually goes deep with that and actually addresses those issues and doesn’t wimp out for brand synergy like the sequels did) but the delivery of it all feels a little off and stilted. I do kind of wish the mystery aspect was played up a bit more strongly at least in the first two episodes.
Its no Andor but its overall a solid start and I’m more interested in it than I have been in most recent Star Wars projects.
I IMMEDIATELY REGOGNISED HIM, now we have pillboy AND jason in starwars
@@kadegetslaid634 Whenever the apothecary has a problem, he throws a thermal detonator at it, and then he has a different problem
@@mikeheywood7521 LMAOOOO
Oh yeah I'm loving his energy. Like Jason, he's a genius at letting people underestimate him.
tired of people making shit up to demonise the Jedi
When Sol didn't tell Yord that Mae had been spottet I was afraid they where going to use missed communication as a plot device. I'm glad they didn't go that way.
I was so glad that by the end of episode two, basically everyone was on the same page about the twin situation. It leaves things open for the story to go in more interesting directions.
@@Sylvie_without_surname right? Making the twin situation a big plot twist is such a cliché. I'm happy they avoided it for now.
Excited to check it out! The discourse around this has been so gross. I wish people would watch then judge and not the other way around. Then again, I wish people were kinder and more rational in general. I like my perfect world of rainbows and smiles, even if it only exists in my head.
Only exists in your head... for now. As loud as they are there are a hell of a lot more folks like us than folks like that, and we can build a better world without them 🏳️🌈🧱🏳️⚧️
Yeah. I can understand people going in skeptical, that was me; but you’ve got to give it a chance. And so happy I’m enjoying it.
Yeah I don’t mind early reviews but I generally watch the show afterwards to see how “good” or “bad” it is. This show is…okay. Cool concepts but some silliness that detracts for me. Still better than book of boba fett so far
Well you're getting your wish because that is starting to happen I've been a Star wars fan since the original trilogy and even I found this to be unbelievable and just wooden. It feels almost like if the matrix took place in the Star wars universe without guns. It doesn't feel like Star wars and or felt like Star wars Obi-Wan felt like Star wars mandalorian felt like Star wars This just does not feel like Star wars.
Master Torbin couldn't be harmed because he had the high ground.
As a casual Star Wars fan I'm so, so happy to see a show that doesn't require me to also watch at least one other show to understand it. I was getting continuity lockout from the interconnectedness of it all. This is no Andor, but aside from some _really_ clumsy exposition here and there, I'm enjoying it.
Having fun so far, love that we are spending more time in the high republic
I call this show, Law & Order: Ninja Crimes.
I know they mention his name, but based on his introduction I've mentally dubbed the Wookiee Jedi "Shrekbacca".
The thing I'm looking forward to the most is an actual lightsaber fight. Every fight we've seen hasn't utilized a lightsaber. Which is interesting. Not only because it presents a fascinating dichotomy between the Jedi now, rarely using their lightsabers, and the Jedi of the prequel era, using their lightsabers constantly; but also because Leslye Headman has said she hopes to have fights that rival or even surpass the Maul fight in Phantom Menace's finale in terms of choreography. Which is a very high bar.
Also, apparently Leslye was very adamant that at least one person in the writer's room be someone who knows nothing about Star Wars to ensure people could go in having not seen another Star Wars thing and understand everything. And to do that with a show set in an era told almost entirely through novels and comics is probably very hard. But as someone who has yet to read any of it, I think they're doing a good job. But some of that stiffness you're feeling might be from that. Maybe. I didn't feel any stiffness in the show despite several other people feeling that way, but whatever.
Having Star Wars be more Kung Fu movie here than Samurai movie is working for me.
Honestly I’m just glad that we’re getting more non lightsaber melee combat in starwars!
It’s added an interesting dynamic to Star Wars. Force users fighting without lightsabers.
I'm getting serious Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon vibes from a bunch of scenes... and it's wonderful.
"I'm over 2 minutes in and you have not mentioned Abigail Thorn. This is not why I'm here," The Grand Archepriest said, right before Jessie started to talk about Thorn.
She may be cut,she updated her cv and removed the show from it. It was over the summer
@@gamedude412 Did it reveal which episode it was?
Apothecary guy is Manny Jacinto - Jason Mendoza from The Good Place! I love seeing him in a role with more depth
Yes! I’d be so thrilled if Manny’s character turned out to be the Master, but even if that’s not the case, it’s awesome to see him broaden his range
That brief moment when he dropped the act with Osha was as intimidating as it was hot. Dude's got something up his sleeve lol
The "apothecary" guy is like a scoundrel but as opposed to the Han Solo "good person" scoundrel, this guy is a "bad person" outlaw type, and yeah him being The Master would be perfect. My guess is that the 4 Jedi on that planet became aware of identical twins who were Force Sensitive and wondered what would happen if one were trained as a Jedi and one was not, and set up the fire and told each twin that the other one had started the fire but had perished. Some kind of wild, wacky, Jedi version of My Fair Lady.
Abigail and her Hollywood arc is amazing! The Acolyte and House of the Dragon are HUGE shows, so seeing her get roles in both is so awesome.
I love that I get to live in a time where there is meaningful social progress. I'm not sure we would have seen a Star Wars show or ASOIAF spin off make a similar casting even 5 years ago. I absolutely love to see it.
Don't forget her most important work this year.
@@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm Always give Shart the noblestalk. Always.
Are you sure she still in it. She removed the show from CV a while back.
I am convinced that osha and mae are one person
I'm not convinced that is the case but I'm still suspicious... Though every episode is making me less suspicious.
Did a watch party with my friends and we were all floored that they killed off Carrie Ann Moss in the first scene, definitely feels like we’ll see her prominently in a flashback. At first I was worried the showrunners were setting Mae up to be Osha’s dissociative personality disorder so I’m grateful she’s actually a separate character. We also wondered if the dealer was gonna be the master, happy to see great minds think alike. Yord feels like the trigger-happy cop who needs to get his ass handed to him. Did find it interesting that Mae reached for his lightsaber during the fight, could see him being shamed by its loss/theft.
The Jedi don't steal children though. Their parents consent to their children being trained and they are free to say no. One of the reasons why the Jedi don't take in older kids is specifically because by then they have an attachment to their families which they don't want to disrupt. Osha was taken in because she became an orphan. Anakin was taken in because he was unusually strong in the Force and it meant liberating him from literal slavery. It's a valid criticism though why the Republic or Jedi didn't do anything about the slavery going on on the Outer Rim or why didn't they liberate Shmi specifically.
I don't know, just because they don't kick down the door lightsabers blazing doesn't mean there isn't an element of coercion. The parents don't exactly seem thrilled in the situations we've seen, and most of them come from much less wealth than the Jedi, so at the very least there's a similar dynamic to the American military.
@@Sylvie_without_surname that’s a big stretch to kidnapper
Is it? If the military recruited toddlers, cut them off from their families, and began training them to fight for the rest of their lives I think people would talk about that as stealing kids. Oh, and the military is also a religious cult here too. And if someone doesn't want to give up their kid that the Jedi really want? How free do you think anyone really is to say no to the Jedi?
@@Sylvie_without_surname Sure, it's supposed to be somewhat controversial but it's still leagues away from "stealing children". And the Jedi aren't like the American military. For one they're supposed to be the good guys who actually revere and protect life. More like enlightened social worker monks. They do lose their way by the time of the Prequels but by far and large they're still the good guys. Individual Jedi aren't supposed to hoard wealth and power and while there is a hierarchy when they become political and rigidly hierarchical is when they lose their way. The High Republic novels I think illustrate it brilliantly what the Jedi are supposed to be when they do things the way they supposed to and it's pretty great.
@@Sylvie_without_surnameIt is mostly thought to be an honor to be taken in by the Jedi.
Don't forget the shiny gaudy Jedi robes.
Very extravagant compared to what we see later.
Interesting thoughts. I agree with a lot or at least see where you're coming from. I will push back some on your view of the Jedi.
While I agree that the institution, the Order, had flaws (that would be used against them), I do not think that the message was, is, or will be that the Jedi were the "bad guys" and that the Order shouldn't exist. I think Star Wars presents the Jedi as a good thing, that is at times poorly executed. The way or philosophy of the Jedi, what they stand for, is fundamentally a positive and good thing. The structure of the Order is as fallible as any institution run by fallible people.
In regards to yord not bringing in OSHA himself, I think yord is like the very rules following type jedi. Every time he suggests a plan or idea, there's not really an uniqueness to it. It feels like a very standard plan like when they were discussing how to capture the apothecary, qimir. Yord suggests a very basic plan whereas the padawan instead suggests using OSHA. I don't think yord is very flexible. Like when he brought in OSHA, he's rigid and he tries to act formal treating her not like an old friend but like how a jedi would treat a prisoner. So when he's required to bring her in, he instead follows protocol and sends her with a prison guard rather than take her in himself. I think this is a trait of his character at least how I interpret it
Yord probably didn't want to spend anytime as Osha's jailer, as he was clearly uncomfortable with the entire affair, and probably thought she was innocent.
I'm curious, though, with the Padawan bossing around the Knight. Interesting dynamics.
I definitely had a lot of similar feelings heading into this series (except about the High Republic, I just haven't bothered to read any of the books or comics, just because other things have grabbed my attention, otherwise I have to read the modern Vader & Doctor Aphra stuff first), with interest because Leslye Headland is at least an intriguing creator (Russian Doll is an experience...not sure if I'd say I loved it, but I liked it and it'll probably remain in the back of my head like some other weird shows/movies).
Agree this is a "rather strong start" with some issues. The opening had some great wuxia vibes (very reminiscent of a particular Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon scene), though I'm a bit sad it confirmed something I suspected from the trailers (won't say more, as I'm still avoiding spoilers this early in the response), with those wuxia vibes continuing on into the next episode, nice action. Looking forward to more.
One part that does confuse me is the main group getting to the 2nd Jedi Master - the initial scene suggests he isn't terribly far from the entrance Mae initially uses, and that looked to be the way the group got in when they arrived...yet the two local Jedi seem to be taking them a long way around (when they're already in something of a rush) while Mae sneaks off and gets there first, via one of two entrances to the room...just feels like weird geography of action to set up the "oooh, do they suspect her?" beat.
Manny Jacinto of The Good Place (BORTLES!) plays the potentially evil ally mentioned in this review, and I could certainly see some similarities from mannerisms, but he definitely feels darker. That said, my big spoiler-y guess about the mysterious master...
I think it might be Yord. Something about the "too firm to the Jedi ways" attitude yet also recommending bad plans or ideas or intervening at interesting times, makes me wonder if he's either the master or secretly another acolyte, like Mae.
Hello, Jessie. watched the double-episode series premiere of "The Acolyte" and I must be brutally honest: it was an OK start overall for me--neither bad nor good nor great, just OK--despite a few good moments I adore and the music score that I love. 6.5/10 overall for the debut episode. Of course, more power to:
1. Those who love it.
2. Those who hate it and are done with all generations of "Star Wars" for good.
I'm still more hyped about season two of "Andor." Keep up the good work and may the Force be with you.
11:36 I really appreciate this about this show. So many modern shows try to drag out *every* mystery, minor or major, plot-relevant and less plot-relevant, to the point they become boring and stale and the fact they haven't been solved yet starts to negatively impact suspension of disbelief. There was a brief mystery, we got past it, and got to the parts that matter such that smaller mysteries don't ruin the watch-ability of the show and the larger mysteries are still there in the background. If that makes sense.
I love the fight choreography in this series! I can't wait for the whip saber. Still holding out for a drill saber! Fun start! Please let it keep getting better!
Maybe I'm being close minded, but I really dislike the perspective of the Jedi Order being a failure or their ideology being flawed. I've always and will always view the Jedi as paragons of virtue and justice and any "failing" by the Jedi comes down to individuals and not a systemic issue. Because if thats the case, what was the point of Luke becoming a Jedi in the first place in the original trilogy? It just reframes everything and sort of takes the wind out of the sails of Luke's "I am a Jedi, like my father before me." line.
I'd actually argue the opposite. The Jedi as individuals are paragons of justice and virtue, and the Jedi Order is flawed systemically. Like we saw in the first scene of this new show, a Jedi Master didn't hesitate to die to save an innocent bystander. That's consistent with how we've seen Jedi act since the beginning of Star Wars. As individuals, most of them try to do the right thing as much as they can. The Order falls despite that because of systemic issues within that are exploited by the Sith much like how Mae manages to kill her Jedi targets here by exploiting existing vulnerabilities. Every time we've seen the Jedi Order as an institution we've been shown aspects of their flaws, but that doesn't take away from the virtue of the individual Jedi we follow. Like how Obi Wan persisted in finding Kamino in Episode 2, it's individual Jedi following Light Side ideals to the best of their ability despite the systemic limitations of the Order that do the most good. And when you mention the original trilogy, that's all there is: individual Jedi doing their best. There is no Jedi Order in the original trilogy. The legacy of the original trilogy doesn't need a perfect and flawless Jedi Order and Luke doesn't succeed by being part of one. He succeeds by using his judgement as an individual informed by Jedi ideals.
Same and I'd argue Lucas intended them to be seen that way, saying multiple times that as a group the Jedi Order were the "best people in the galaxy." Too many people nowadays just swallow criticisms of the Jedi that, in-universe, come from sources actively trying to destroy the Order because the Jedi stand between them and creating a fascist dictatorship that controls most of the known galaxy. I have zero interest seeing the group that was ultimately right about everything in the prequel trilogies and also genocided be further shit on for things that aren't even true (no, they don't kidnap children. no, they don't disallow all attachments, only a specific form of unhealthy attachment. no, Anakin shouldn't have been trained etc)
I'm with you on this. I get Disney bought it and can do what they please with it, but I don't like it. The original franchise are some of the most beloved movies ever. To take them apart ideologically is hard to understand. Most fans resent it and always will (the first movie with this theme was The Last Jedi). What's the point of making movies most fans will resent? They have a vision they want to push, and they're doing it regardless of what most fans think.
Why not make another franchise? Why take something that already exist and completely undo it? Of course we know why. These movies/shows without the Star Wars name would bomb. See Rebel Moon.
Thank God for Andor!
I used to be addicted to a PC game called "Tie Fighter"; in this game there was storyline theme depicting the Rebels as terrorist and the Empire as the good force of the universe protecting its people from the horde Rebels Terrorist Forces ... I like the idea of viewing the Star Wars universe from a different perspective.
Great job jessie. Love ya....great review. You look amazing...i just got a luke Skywalker lightsaber..LOVE IT..AND YOU❤❤❤❤
I think Carrie Anne Moss got killed off so quick because she's a major star and expensive to hire.
Bait and switch
We don't learn much about the Jedi in the original films. We only meet two proper Jedi (the presumed last of the Order) and what our absent friend Baylan would call a bokken Jedi, albeit our scrappy protagonist. We learn little about their history or ideology except that one of their most promising students betrayed and destroyed them, becoming one of the dark lords of the galaxy. It's hard to really evaluate them much based on that, and since they are acting in support of a patently just rebellion, it's easy to side with them.
The prequels show us an unaccountable cult of fanatic warrior-priest assassins whose personal and institutional arrogance, narrowmindedness, shortsightedness, and lack of psychological competence led directly to the fall of the galactic regime they intend to support. They protect monarchies and tolerate slavery. They indoctrinate children, and if you think that's somehow justified by either parental minor consent, you've badly misjudged what you're seeing, and you're literally buying propaganda while being shown where it fails.
One of the often short list of things Disney has done well is taking the darker aspects of the Jedi order seriously. The Empire may be a lot worse than the Republic, and the Sith may be a lot worse than the Jedi, but both the Republic and the Jedi were weak, failing insitutions for seemingly inherent reasons.
Just finished the 2nd episode: Gotta say, I was skeptical but I'm in. Loving it so far. Murder mystery, good twin/evil twin, the Zenmaster Jedi dude, what's not to like. Hope the rest is as intriguing/engaging as the intro.
Thanks heaps for a great review. I loved it and was riveted to the screen for the entire two episodes.
The Acolyte is out already, I may have forgotten about it. Thank you for reminding Jessie.
I would characterize this show as interesting, I like OSHA/Mae but overall I found some of the acting lackluster, but I’m willing to give it a chance. What convinced me may be odd to some, but it’s the scene where the teacher tells the Master Jedi (forgot her name) via hologram that Mae is alive and instead of letting him pursue her, she wants him to come back because they need to form a committee to discuss it. WHAT? A committee? I saw the beginning of the end of the Jedi right there. Sitting in their high and mighty circular room, blinded to a rising darkness. Too concerned with politics. I’m probably not expressing myself the best here, but I’m intrigued enough to keep watching.
On a side note, I appreciated the subtle costume/prop changes that indicate that this is set on the not too distant past, and the limited use of the lightsaber. The fight choreography was superb, new to Star Wars and I loved it. Felt very fresh and new.
I’m enjoying it so far. I do love exploring this period of time and interested to see where we go. I do agree it does feel a bit stiff at times. Sol I do like and that choreography is so good! Can’t wait to watch more!
For me, it was obvious she didn't do the killing because she was basically at a minimum wage job in space. They're unlikely to get time off for a vacation and let her take a shuttle or reroute the ship, even for a day. So that's a good comment on capitalism :D
Its definitely got some good things going for it. The martial arts are fantastic and seeing carrie ann moss back in action was great but was crestfallen when she died. That opening was so well done. I think the dialog is a bit weird and the actor who plays Sol deserved better lines. Im looking forward to see where its going. It seems like they are fleshing out that diad in the force. I think it did its job, i definitely am curious where this goes, even tho it is a bit clunky at times.
A good friend of mine describe the show perfectly to me.
If you had the matrix have sex with '90s Star Trek in the bedroom of Star wars You would have the acolyte.
Speaking of its 1990s vibe, I desperately wish The Acolyte had a 90s era Hercules/Xena-esque opening titles...
Definitely glad I'm not the only one who was nervous when Osha wandered off for what could have easily turned into a mistaken identity complication we've seen way too many times. Was superglad it was immediately subverted.
One thing I wish I could see more of is that "The Jedi aren't a force of universal good." They are alluding to that, but I need to see that in a substantive way that makes sense and not just a fit of selfish petulence. I want Mae to have a seriously good reason for taking revenge on the Jedi and not just "I did all this evil stuff, my hubris got the better of me, the Jedi rescued my sister and not me, so they took my sister away and they have to pay!" thing.
tl;dr: I hope all these potentially tired tropes are subverted as well as the mistaken identity trope was.
I wonder if the visuals having a 90s TV look is an intentional choice b/c it takes place before the prequels (made in the late 90s/early 00s)
Oh thanks for a fore looking non toxic review, love your insights
I really didn't like the first episode but started warming up to it by the end of the second. I'm coming at it from a different perspective, I super don't care about this era of Star Wars and also I just really dislike the Jedi. I can appreciate that this show is exploring why they suck but I feel like that's already well-explored. I'm mostly watching because Abi is in it even though it's a small role. I'm literally doing the Poochie thing where any time she's not on screen I'm asking "where's Abi?" lmao
Some comments I've made elsewhere:
(after watching E1)
The dialogue was super clunky. Pet peeve of mine is doing exposition by having two characters tell each other things they both already know. The plotting feels very hackneyed. I was actually yelling at the screen for how ridiculous the twin sister reveal was. Like okay, your rock solid case against Osha is the bartender says it was her. Meanwhile she's totally incapable of killing a Jedi Master, and OH YEAH SHE HAS A TWIN SISTER. FUUUUUCK. It only could have been sillier if her twin sister was named Oosha lmao
Stray thoughts:
-killing Carrie-Ann Moss in the opening scene sure is a bold move
-speaking of, shit she's not very good at fighting. can only use the force on one thing at a time huh
-little handheld droid guy is ADORABLE
-dayum that one Jedi Knight guy is JACKED. I don't like dudes but I'd let him hit on me
-this show again reminding me why I hate Jedi
-okay the dream sequence was really cool, props for that
-lmao Osha rescuing the one guy wearing Wookie fur. Most obvious betrayal ever. The only purpose of that is to establish Osha as a "moral" character. Real subtle.
-secret Sith bad guy again, YAAAAWWN
(after watching E2)
Liked the character stuff with Osha and Mae. Jedi once again showing how they're the worst. The poisoner guy felt very silly and out of place. Not that smarmy ne'er do wells don't belong in star wars, just is very off-brand for the sith (or whoever the evil jedi are supposed to be in this). I super don't care about secret sith bad guy and I really hope there isn't a hackneyed "it was THIS GUY THE WHOLE TIME" kind of reveal.
also shout outs to Hot Pie Jedi and Bigfoot Jedi
Looking forward to your reviews after each episode, it's always a pleasure when you make videos for shows I happen to watch. Really hoping Abi shows up in the next episode haha
Take care Jessie, see you next video!
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Love this series, and the fact it's all fresh characters and time period. Loving Lee Jung-jae as Master Sol...getting real Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon vibes from some of the scenes.
I am presently learning tai chi sword, and trying really hard not to make lightsaber sound effects in the class... which is all a bunch of old people over 65!
Speaking of droids I'm really confused on how star wars treats them are they supposed to be 2nd class citizens or just actual machines? I know it differs from director to director but I would like some more clarity. Nonetheless I agree a droid uprising would be cool to see in canon.
Yay. Luvin this video 🩵 I’m enjoying the acolyte way more than i expected. I can’t wait for more!
Thank you for this review. I really enjoyed the show, yet everyplace seems to be flooded with negative comments about it, or even worse complaining about "wokeness". Star Wars fans really know how to take the fun out of Star Wars.
Regardless of knuckleheads who call everything woke this show is objectively terrible. Fight choreography was great, for the Matrix makes no sense in a foundational SW series. Mae is a very weak co villain, I’m sure she’ll likely be good by the end. Not crapping on the actress but she is not a lead actress yet. And it is one of the cheapest major TV series I’ve ever seen. Rewatch for 5 minutes and see how every set is tiny. See how Headland can only show actors from torso and chest up, god forbid you see the characters in a space or set together (probably too small to pull back camera). I watched Andor and wasn’t in love like many others but watch it for 5 minutes and look at the quality of the sets and direction.
@@smuj77 thanks for proving to me that sw fans can’t just let someone enjoy something. I didn’t like the rise of skywalker, but I didn’t go on in on to someone who enjoyed it about how much it sucks.
@@roberthradek7100 I’m a casual SW fan and time is too valuable to invest in something sub par. There are tons of great shows and movies
Your episode on the decay of Star Wars monomyth, and the project paperclip episode made me depressed enough to quit Star Wars altogether, I can't even stand to look at my own fan art of it anymore.
It just hurts too much😔
Loved it
Mae's name is pronounced *May* like the month of May, it's not "mai"
It’s the third to have nothing to do with the skywalker saga, Visions, Star Wars Young Jedi Adventures, and now Acolyte! Young Jedi Adventures is cute adorable fun!
Jeremy John's chalks this up to a CW Star Wars show. These first two episodes really have that vibe.
I thought it would be a lot darker but the lack of tension really is leaving me out of it.
I believe his name was Jason Mendoza...
Is it just me or is this show really showing the Jedi in a more space cop light than we usually see? I know there have been little bits of Jedi investigating before now, but in episode 2, when we see the local Jedi temple, it definitely gave off precinct vibes.
So if this is all a set up for an ACAB but with Jedi story, then frankly I am all in for it! Because while the prequels and Clone Wars flirted with this critique of the Jedi a little bit, a show being far more targeted and blatant with this theme would be amazing!
Love hearing your opinion 🫡❤️
Glad to know they satisfied at least 1% of the population.
Full respect to all opinions of course.
Personally, I found it fell a bit flat in too many places. I found myself pausing it and doing other things and coming back to it reluctantly. I really wanted to enjoy it too but it just wasn't happening. That said, the principals gave solid performances, the music was very good being orchestrated and paced like a John Williams score gave it a sense of that SW aura. Will give it a few more episodes in the hope that something connects. It took three full episodes of Andor before I got hooked and that was outstanding imo.
The lightsaber bit gave me ptsd of the same thing happening to my lightsaber lol.
It's always bummed me out, the attitude towards clearly sentient droids in the Star Wars universe. I also want to see a movie about a droid uprising.
While I think the first two episodes had some interesting things going on, I felt a little bored mainly because I feel like it’s kinda the same old stuff I’ve seen before. Like since this takes place years before any of the movies, it would’ve been nice to see the technology they had at the time be less advanced. For example, the lightsabers could’ve started off as regular swords. And the blasters could’ve functioned like normal guns with bullets. I know the EU books have done something like that already, but I would love to see that implemented in live action form.
Loved this review, loved The Acolyte and can't wait for Abigail Thorn to appear and kick some arse. IDK what Jessie's working on, but I do hope she's going to have videos about The People's Joker and I Saw The TV Glow. They're both brilliant movies, completely entertaining, both by transgender creators, and both use pop culture as a way to explore transgender identity and experiences. They're both incredible and unique, it's amazing to me we got them both in one year.
Carrie Anne Moss had me immediately hooked, shame that didn't work out.
Also an idea from Iain M Banks novel Player of Games to win they have show that the enemy's ideology is morally bankrupt.
This is the Star Wars I've been waiting for. Jedis in their prime. Enjoyed the martial arts and special effects. I found it sad that at least on Facebook, so many people hating on it without even seeing the first episode.
Andor put me to sleep, Mandalorian was good, this is the one I've been waiting for.
loved the fight choreography in this one
i chuckled a bit with the twin aspect
seeing the jedi as kind of militaristic and stiff was kind of interesting. (didn't really grow up the the CG animated clone wars. I'm slowly making my way through that. I did see the Gendy Tartakovsky version a few years ago)
something about this installment feels i don't know. not sure what it is. i want to like it more.
i do like the actor who was in Squid Game due to i think being a little more open to hearing stuff out. And the other guy Yor feels super stiff almost stereotypical Paladin lawful good. I think I kind of want to see him in some kind of casual scene get dunked on, as far as banter stuff or something.
also i thought it was kind of neat to see a few members of the Trade Federation in the first episode. Been ages since i've seen them.
the master that the knife sister seems to be working for i thought kind of looked like Kylo Ren in his helmet from the distance. mainly because it looked like he was wearing a helmet. could've been his hair.
haven't really read or seen any High Republic stuff before. Seems ok. Hope it gets better.
kind of neat seeing a Wookie Jedi in live action.
I am liking this so far. It's fun seeing different aliens back in Star Wars. The fight scenes are cool! I also really like the characters
and story.
The intro says this takes place 100 years before the empire. So does that mean Yoda is 800 years old? When did he join the Jedi Council? It's probably better if we don't see Yoda but I'm curious where he fits in the continuity. If we _do_ see Yoda, I hope they'll show him as the pompous fool he was.
Jedi do not steal children, that's straight up incorrect. They are shown giving parents the choice to admit their children or not, of which most do with the promise of securing a better life for their children in most cases as well as due to it being conceived as a great honor, especially in this time period when public admiration of the order is at its peak. They specifically train padawans starting at a young age to master and control their burgeoning abilities that would otherwise put themselves and those around them at risk.
Took a while yo find time to watch the show. Enjoyed it. I wonder if the meaning of kill a Jedi without a weapon is more about causing a Jedi to turn. Ben talking about how Darth Vader killed Anakin from a certain point of view, for example.
Osha has the marksmanship of a storm trooper.
I've not gotten much into Star Wars 'Expanded Lore' either the og EU or new stuff, but... IIRC...
Old Republic: The Sith Empire invades the Galactic Republic and the Jedi come out of their monasteries to counteract the Sith's force-users.
The High Republic: The Sith/Republic war is over and now the Jedi are fully integrated into the Republic as it's main 'peace-keepers'.
My opinion, based on what happened within and leading up to the Prequels... The fatal flaw of the Jedi was that when they defeated the Sith they didn't go back to their Monastaries, they kept all that authority the Republic gave them backed-up by their own Force Powers. All that stuff about 'not having attachments' and keeping that strictly to Personal attachments was a lot like many modern Christian sects preaching Dogma without acknowledging the context for why that Dogma was created in the first place.
"A Jedi must forgo worldly attachments." *Proceeds to become incestuously attached to the Republic's political/law-enforcement/military structures.*
My Impressions on Sol v. Yord...
I see Sol as a True Jedi in that he is a Jedi Monk, a follower of the Jedi Way as a spiritual philosophy.
Yord is a 'true Jedi' in that he is a Jedi Knight, he's all-in on the Jedi as a now state-sanctioned and integrated institution.
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My first problem with The Acolyte is that the Disney+ streaming appeared low-resolution. The scenes looked blurry. So I found a different way to watch the program.
My second problem with The Acolyte is that the first two episodes don't feel that original. George Lucas's Star Wars always felt unique, different, and alien. The show takes us to several worlds that weren't that distinct from one another. The story and the characters haven't wowed me yet. I'm interested, but they feel routine.
The first few episodes of The Mandalorian felt much more unique and alien. How is The Acolyte better than Kenobi?
I myself thought the first two episodes were OK overall for me, depsite a few good moments.
The beauty of Star Wars is that it's the perfect setting to re-interpret stories that have existed for ages. You're right, a good twin/evil twin murder mystery is about as original as cooked meat, but the first two season of Mando were basically "What if Yojimbo.... in SPACE" and it was excellent. We haven't seen it as an element in Star Wars before, hence a fun way to re-watch a classic device but in a setting we all love.
The planets (I thought) were distinct enough from each other, even if none were unique to the overall setting. One was lush with vegetation and organic-looking structures, another was frozen and icy, another was dusty and industrial-looking. And Coruscant, because Coruscant. You got me on that one I guess. At least there wasn't a desert planet (yet).
I agree that Mandalorian S1 had a better 1st episode hook. It's hard to go wrong with an act-one barfight followed by a monster attack. That doesn't mean Acolyte's open (which also had a barfight of a different flavor) is bad by any means, it just means a 9.5/10 beats an 8/10. I'll **HAPPILY** watch an 8/10, at this point I just hope the rest of the show holds up to the intro.
16:27 The apothecary guy is played by Manny Jacinto, best known for his role as the definitive Florida-Man Jason in The Good Place. His character in The Acolyte definitely has more going on than we're shown in the first two episodes, and I'm looking forward to whatever twists happen.
He could be the master Mae doesn't even know who he is.
Jessie, your critique of ‘The Acolyte’ highlighting the Jedi’s high-mindedness and their failure to see their flaws perfectly parallels the Democratic Party today. Just as the Jedi’s support for a neo-liberal government led to the Republic’s fall into fascism, the Democrats’ unwavering support for problematic policies and leaders like Biden risks leading us down a dangerous path. We must critically examine and hold our leaders accountable to avoid repeating these mistakes. Great insights!
Did anyone else notice all the titles/subtitles in the show itself (not the credits) were all old school Optical Title look?
i like yord. he doesn't trust osha at first, but he doesn't have an agenda like the masters who seem to be hiding something. he seems committed to the truth, which will bring him into conflict with the order. its good to see a true believer, freshly minted knight, because they are a force for good.
I feel you missed the part where she spared the barkeeper when they saw their scared child, after seeing that and then switching to her sister, i initially thought they were split personality due to them both having a form of compassion... and i think its compassion that roots both sisters. A bit saf you omitted or missed this
A fire…in space….. this is CW level writing.
Yep...
I wanted to see this specifically because of all the atrocious predictions coming from many quarters.
I'm not familiar with the High Republic period, I've only heard it mentioned a few times, but I came to Star Wars fandom late.
I did go on a road trip to see the first Star Wars movie with my college buddies two weeks before it would open in our town, and I did watch that movie twenty two times that summer because that's what we all were doing,
But I was there for the special effects. George Lucas was doing something completely new.
I was all about Star Trek and had little patience for this space opera.
It wasn't until The Force Awakens that I finally was finally all in on Star Wars and just couldn't get enough.
When The Mandalorian looked out the window at the Mandalorian flying alongside with a jetpack and said "I've gotta get one of those," I went back and binged The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels to learn what I could about the Mandalorians. I haven't read any of the books.
Ultimately, this new series feels like a light story. An unknown twin. It's a trope I've seen more than a couple of times now.
All of the performances are very good, and the tech is fun, but without a rebellion of some kind it really doesn't feel a lot like Star Wars to me.
I'm eager to hear more about what Mae has against the Jedi, and yes, the apothecary is particularly interesting. Yord is just a little too… Yord for me but I do like the contrast with Master Sol.
I'm feeling bogged down with Jedi administrivia. Maybe that's just the point. Maybe we'll find out who has been training Mae, because she's clearly been trained, but not by the apothecary, I think.
There's a lot here to keep me interested, but it feels like a squabble so far. What are the specific problems with the Jedi, besides the way they tend to over-talk everything?
I'm looking for background on what split up these twins to begin with and what their different experiences were.
Just how many of these "Jedi drop-outs" are there? There could be a lot of semi-trained Force-sensitives out there in the public. Though I was surprised that Osha couldn't reach her Pip from the prison cell.
Looking for more explanation of motivations. We know why Ahsoka left the Order, why did Osha?
"An Acolyte kills without weapons." But knives are steel and poison is a weapon.
"A Jedi doesn't use their light saber unless they are ready to kill." But Yord was using his as a flashlight.
It's Star Wars. It's not supposed to make sense.
Finally it’s time for Osha in Star Wars! Also you calling Vernestra Rwoh “that green lady” hurt my soul a little 😆 it’s like calling Picard “that bald guy” 🤣
Has she been in other things before this? Comics stuff?
Yeah I was hyped for this since I really like the setting and premise, and so far, it gave me what I expected - not mindblowing or sth, but definitely solid. The crash landing was somewhat weird tho, besides the lack of consequence it bugged me somewhat that the criminals were recaught and brought to Coruscant so fast, basically while Osha was still unconscious
PS: I fully support the wish for more Manny Jacinto!
Any fans of Russian Doll here? I love seeing "Jedi Alan." Also, did anyone notice that Vernestra is Lizzy from Russian Doll?
Yeah i have nitpicks here and there, but i'm genuinely happy with it. Like I am very much one of those people who dropped Star Wars because of empire fatigue.
Malfunction for the malfunction god!
18:30 yeah that was dumb. a freefall from orbit is not (I imagine) something you typically just walk off. And then they captured the prisoners but didn't think to scan the wreck while they were there....? Producer's wife decided to take the prisoners back and.... ask for further instructions?
I'm very much wanting to like this as it's the closest to KOTOR yet. The show feels like it's a in a bit if a rush for no reason. You can't linger on shots for a little longer? And the last scene if the first episode stood out as feeling off, why is it broad daylight and he's standing on a rock? A more interestingly shot and lit scene would have more impact. And Yord viewing the fight through his binoculars when it seemed like he was right there and didn't need them made me laugh unintentionally. BUT I'm remaining optimistic on the show as a whole.
Haven’t most of the books been deemed not cannon by Disney? Or are we talking new books?
I like it, but I don't love it and part of that might just be that i'm so soured on the brand. I love andor but I don't expect ever to see that kind of lightning in a bottle again. I'm open to it, But I don't expect it. That said, i'm just watching the show looking for abigail. Even if it's a small role, It's the main reason i'm here. Carrie anne moss was amazing and I liked her scenes... I do hope for more. So far, I've been disappointed with Daphne Keen and she was another person I was very much looking forward to seeing.
There's a lack of rhythm to the edit, if nothing worse than that. I love the overall feel and look and taste and the characters are really good, but they're let down a little bit by the pacing and some of the shot angles. Unimpressed by the new voice-changer-and-mask guy but I'm invested and having a great time so far!
Why do you say mi and osha then say Mae there is no character named mi
This basically sums up the show Master indra “ A jedi only draws their saber to kill” cut to a jedi knight using his lightsaber as a flashlight with out even an comment or throat clear.
Also the sith master is the twins mother only she know who has on the away mission that took osha and left Mei for dead.
drawing a saber in an actual fight is a completely different thing to using it as a source of light. why carry a separate flashlight when the object you have with you at all times works just as well?
18:50 yes, this is dumb too. you apprehended a supposed criminal who just killed a Jedi. I feel like this is Austin Powers level stupid but it's not intentional for laughs. Here we're gonna leave you with the one inept guard.
So.... Osha job involves ignoring OSHA mandates.
"We're cheaper than droids, and easier to replace!"
Episode 1 & 2 were not well written for me.
Positive:
1. I think kung Fu movies as inspiration for story elements is promising
2. Seeing some logical expansions on force abilities ( meditation scene ) was cool
3. Bones of a nice mystery
4. Telling a story from a sith/ dark side perspective is a great idea
5. Love Manuel Luis Jacinto
6. Sol
Negatives
1. The dialogue was not working for her
2. Why send a prisoner that can kill a Jedi with a droid
3. Disney has a want to paint the Jedi as inept and always corrupt
4. Yord topless - if a woman / female character was sexualized in this way for no significant plot purpose
5. Hate Yord’s hair . Stop making killmomgers hair style the new school poster one black kid with high top Afro. Hated those posters cause it made it seem like that was our only hairstyle
6. Telling the story from a darkside perspective is great but you don’t have to make the Jedi corrupt to do it
7. “He’s gone come on”
8. Set feel like sets or park attractions
9. Boring I fell asleep at a point
i think there are a lot of missed opportunities, and the dialogue and editing are seriously janky.
like, dude's prattling about killing without a weapon, then lights up his red sabre? come on, man. that's real shoddy writing.
and they could've actually made something special here, as in, make Mei a purely hand-to-hand combat martial artist that targets pressure points on a Jedi's body to block their force use (like Tay Li of ATLA). That she can wield the force in small but very concentrated bursts, like force-needles, to pierce through the Jedi's force-fields, etc.
as it stands, this show is a diamond in the rough at best. better than Ashoka and The Mandalorian, definitely, but only by a few notches, imo.
i didn't really expect this one to be an Andor, but they really could've up the game here.
Some good talk here 🙂 Cool times with new beautiful Star Wars Live Act Telly show 🙂 I have Forever Sub to D+. I sincerely give 8/10 to The Acolyte after first 2x episodes. Later i'll add them via couple websites & to blog post 🙂 Gonna restream both episodes before third one lands. Aesthetics, Soundtrack & Wardrobe are quite nice so far. I wish good streaming times to everyone & share el good word 🙂
I feel the same way about the temple dialog and as someone who has consumed all of the high republic it was weird to see Vernestra like that. She's characterized very much like obi wan and her dogmatic tendencies are loosened up by the characters around her much like how Anakin is always able to take the wind out of obi Wans blow hard sails. We know Vernestra as a teenager so this characterization makes sense with her being stuck in the temple for 70 years without contact of those regular people that kept her grounded. Also they need to convey asap how dogmatic and up their own ass they are atm