Star Wars The Acolyte "Day" EPISODE 4 Review
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Mae just found out her sister is alive. Everything the Sith has told her was a lie, since he insisted that Osha was dead. Now, those 4 Jedi, or 2 remaining ones, are the only ones who can still give her answers.
If, as she says, she’s more loyal to the coven than the Sith, then her turn makes perfect sense. A new, higher, loyalty has emerged, and she seeks to follow it.
Honestly that's kinda one of the parts I liked most about this episode. Mae realising that there is another path forward and deciding to use the info she has. She doesn't suddenly care about what's good or bad. She just cares that OSHA is alive and I think Mae as a character is strongly driven by her family.
“He” it’s clearly koril the only witch who didn’t get shown as dead and she the one with combat skills and the rage
@@gamedude412 you are correct that we don’t yet know who they are. Qimir is the obvious one for the sith to be right now. He has the combat skills, shown in episode 2 at the end. He has been aiding Mae on her quest. He knew of her betrayal of the Sith in time to use the force to beat her to Kalnacca after getting out of her little trap. And of course, we know he was on the planet.
But he also seems too obvious right now? And a show like this loves misdirects. I thought there were a couple bodies that could have been Mother Coral, but she wasn’t confirmed dead. It could well be her too. Or someone completely unexpected.
@@tacobowlerkoril was the military leader of the coven, she wield a vibropike and the bow women look to her. A master poisoner isn’t exactly a combat master. We also gotten no backstory for him and the episode guide shows the action scene continues, then back to the coven because there the same director and writer and we’re missing a Wookiee fighting torbin on the coven set from the trailer. I sense it’s going to be the fight then flashback then Mae and osha fight the sith ,the sith is their mom as a faux massive twist,sol or green woman kill her and the twins freak out murder everyone and disappear since this event has to be contained
@@gamedude412 Mae attacked Qimir at the end of episode 2 and he subdued her much faster than either Sol or Undara. He also has been through the creepy forest to find Kelnacca without being seen. He’s more than just a poisoner.
Your theory could be correct. My theory is that episode 5 will be a flashback with Sol’s POV (maybe also containing this fight, but the Jedi retreat from it). Episode 6 would then truly follow from 4. Episode 7 flashback from Mae’s POV. Finally episode 8 finishes this arc. Either all Jedi dead (which can’t happen if that is Plo Koon), or Darth Teeth dead and the Jedi choosing to cover it up, even from the other Jedi that aren’t there (which would again be problematic if that is Plo, but at least he didn’t speak like Master Mundi did).
I made a massive mistake of rewatching Andor recently and now when I watch the Acolyte, it's more for background noise than genuine interest. It just doesn't hook me and I wish all the episodes were out because these consistent hard cuts at the end of the episodes are frustrating.
yeah u can tell the particular episodic format of disney has hindered it a bit. actually strikes me as a series that would do better releasing all at once or at least be made w longer episodes in mind
Yeah, this show lacks hard choices. In Andor Cassian was constantly presented with bad options were either choice had consequences and that made those decisions so much more meaningful. Whereas in the Acolyte everything just falls into place neatly. Sol needs a bargaining chip with Mae, what would’ve happened if Osha staunchly refused to go with him? Would he bend his Jedi teachings or would he let her go? Sadly this show doesn’t seem to have the conviction to make an interesting story.
This series feels a lot like a first draft. Like that scene where Mae goes "my sister's alive, this changes everything" that feels like the writer had a really good idea and worked it into the script, but then didn't go back to build it up more. It all feels like they had a week to write everything and could only get their first ideas out.
I’ll admit that’s kinda the vibe I got as well. This feels like a first draft of the show. Cool ideas and concepts but the execution of it all is hurting bad. This is for all the episodes thus far. Also feels weird that no one is bringing up why wouldn’t the Jedi inform the high council. At this point 2 Jedi masters are dead, there’s seems to be more to this assassin than initially thought and who trained mae.
As a side note: the green skin Jedi master lady is keeping everything tight lip and not really giving anyone a moment to question anything (low key I think she is a villain at this point given how she’s handling everything)
This episode was under 30 minutes in REAL runtime. 8 episodes of 30 to 40 minutes (at most). To really tell this story need more time. The example you gave of bonding between Osha and Jecki was given the 25 word or less treatment. There is not near enough time to flesh things out. Kelnacca was barely Hello/Goodbye. I blame this on the restrictions set by the Disney Overlords and their priority obligations to their board of directors and investors,
I would have loved to see the Wookie Jedi Master in a duel. Dang that's not fair.
Or maybe the Wookie and the baddie knew each other
So many thoughts
Episode feels so weird
I don’t know, anime does very well with a 20 something minutes runtime per episode (minus OP and ED). I mean, the anime that slaps, that is. War in the Pocket is one of the most brilliant anime ever and it is only 6 episodes. Worth contrasting since it, too, is a side story of sorts, part of a much wider sci-fi universe, namely Gundam.
You just need to know the frame you’re working with, and plan it ahead of time.
Yeah, so many of the relationships between the characters are told to you in one sentence rather than shown.
And the other thing l'm also upset about, is that Kelnacca got killed. I was hoping that he would survive to know him better, not just in flashbacks.
About Mae's "sudden" change of heart. Okay, it turns out that Mae has been motivated mainly by the threat of death from her master - not her own agency. We saw some hints of this in episodes 1 and 2, but only hints.
But now we know - she's mainly motivated by fear of her master, not her own feelings of wanting revenge. She might not even really blame the Jedi for what happened on Brendok. And clearly the fact that Osha is alive changes everything for her.
I don't think it's sudden and strange. I think it took a plausible amount of time since discovering Osha was alive - and a Jedi (she thinks) - to process what that means for her. Now, it's clear that Mae hates her current life - which is bound to make her more sympathetic to how Osha felt 16 years ago. She probably feels sorry and guilty, and whatever the Jedi are going to do to her, it's not as bad as what her master is going to do when she fails the impossible task of killing Kelnacca after she's exhausted from the trek.
Also, Mae thinks Osha is a Jedi, and that Osha has found a place where she fits in. So, she probably figures that turning herself in will make things better for Osha. It's tragic, but she feels she is deserving of it.
I suspect that the Rashomon structure may subvert our expectations. I was expecting Mae's point of view to be distorted the opposite of Osha's, and then last would be Sol's more objective point of view. Now I suspect the converse - Sol's point of view may be the opposite of Osha's, with Mae having the more balanced point of view of what happened on Brendok.
As I said before, they don't give themselves enough time to tell the story, this episode was under 28 minutes long! They make it really hard to defend this show.
while at the same time, they have so many empty shots that waste time...
Mae character flip is so abrupt it’s eye watering bad. There no shown conflict with the master or the underling, Koril the sith would be likely as happy her other daughter survived. But Mae hits us with “ I’m good now gonna go get arrested” okay where’d that come from.
@@gamedude412 Actually there were hints in episodes 1 and 2 that Mae's motivation was actually fear of her master, rather than a desire for revenge. And Sol has consistently believed that Mae could be saved. He was right!
@@gamedude412I was wondering about that.. did OSHA & Mae use telepathy with one another?
🤔That sudden change in Mae's thinking was abrupt, mid thought as if a coin toss happened.
Also it felt like a portion of the story was missing intentionally. As if we cannot trust everything we are seeing
@@IsaacKuohmm I am curious if the encounter a few episodes ago, with Sol & Mae had a missing scene. Maybe he was able to help her wake up, and realize what her mission was not the right path
🤔 Feels like a lot of character beats are missing. So weird. It was condensed for time, and that abrupt end stung too
It's frustrating. One of the things that bothered me with this episode is that we had Sol tell Osha 'I'll tell you everything when we get back to the ship' and Mae saying something that amounted to 'I've got infomation that means the Jedi will keep me alive.' The show is constantly building up these big revelations, but I don't think they have managed to get me emotionally invested in the characters for when the payoff eventually lands.
Mae I have very important information that sol didn’t mind r-word out of me when he probed my mind for information about this very topic.
All of a sudden I'm getting flashbacks to Horizon Zero Dawn. So much build up.. and then you have to wait. And wait.. until eventually near the end. Nope you have to wait until the sequel.
But episodic Star Wars, you would assume questions answered eventually. But this has been something left out since episode one.
Hopefully there is a payoff.
I dunno, to me the scene in episode 2 shows Osha and Jecki bonding pretty well on the starship. It showed Jecki being honestly curious about Osha's job and Osha being earnestly friendly explaining stuff.
Anyway, I really enjoyed this episode, and I'm really curious about the witchy spirals all over the place in Kelnacca's abode. He was clearly not well.
Jecki and Yoord are my two favorites of this show i don’t like the show that much but a road movie with Jecki and Yoord could be fun, i could imagine Jecki making faces at Yoord whenever he Yoords out.
Those spirals had me curious as well. Hmm maybe it has an embedded message only some may understand?
@@kadosho02 it was almost interesting to me until Bruce Dickinson asked us who the resurection men were 5 minutes ago.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 that was odd, something feels off about the narrative, like we cannot trust everything we see
in episode 3, Kelnacca isn't with the others in the ship after they rescued Osha.
Execution problems is everything for this show. Every part of the script needed more time in the over. I shouldn't have to work so hard to enjoy a 180 million dollar show.
4 years of prep and production time
The Acolyte is turning out to be unintentionally hilarious. It's the Star Wars version of "The Room".
Henceforth you shall be known as... Darth Bortles.
3 and 4 both had frustrating endings, but at least this one was a fun type of frustrating.
There better be one heck of a lightsaber rumble next episode.
Yeah, this cliffhanger ending is really fun for me! But then, I'm an old school Doctor Who fan, from back when they showed episodes daily here in the USA. Most of the episodes ended on a cliffhanger. So maybe, I have simply developed ... immunity?
@@IsaacKuo Oooooh, you too? Whovian and Trekkies are rather used to cliffhangers, right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@IsaacKuo This series is a lot like the new Dr Who series: too few episodes to really flesh out the characters and great ideas with underdeveloped scripts. The biggest difference though, is that you get a complete story in every DW episode, so I'm enjoying it a lot more than these short snippets in The Acolyte (and having Ncuti as the lead definitely helps)!
Near the end of the old TV days, I started getting sick of cliffhangers. Probably because of Lost or True Blood or something. But now, with short series, I kind of like them. This one was one of my favourite types. And I would like it even more if the start of the next episode is a time jump or a flashback.
When Mae sees Osha is alive, then i wondered what would be the motivation to continue her revenge. So i thought Mae turning made sense. Maybe in a later episode we would see more explanation. I also think Qmair is the Sith. When the Sith gets nose to nose with Osha in this episode, it is similar to when Qmair was nose to nose to Osha in his shop.
This episode feels like a calm before the storm. I think heads are going to roll next episode.
I don’t mind Mae being hesitant and less than committed to her dark side chores, but I wish she was more…compelling to watch?
I think the purpose of the blaster scene is classic Chekov's blaster. Its telling us Osha kept the blaster and still has it for when she uses it later.
Jesse you’re looking fantastic as always. Seriously, your skin is glowing and you just look so healthy and radiant. I also love this hair cut on you. Keep doing whatever you’re doing, because it’s obviously working for you! I’m hurst happy for you❤
The blaster scene felt like a Chekhov’s gun situation that never pays off because he doesn’t even get it.
Good luck on your movie premiere Jessie! Congratulations.🎉
The Hobbit is my favorite book too! I never returned it to my elementary School library, and got away with it too. I still have it to this day.
I feel like the scene with the blaster was just so we knew Osha had a blaster and where it came from. But then weird it didn't come back up in this episode!
Since this one's too short I think this was originally meant to be one episode, or else they couldn't get all the material done.
It was supposed to be two episodes. Episode 4-5 were shot together according to Leslie.
I think we are dealing with a Tyler Durden situation here, Osha is dead and Mae consumed her in the the force. Osha's hair is always conveniently glued down over where her force tattoo would be, and they are never BOTH interact with people at once. 🇧🇺🇹 🇮🇹❜🇸 🇯🇺🇸🇹 🇦 🇹🇭🇪🇴🇷🇾⦂ 🇦 🇫🇮🇬🇭🇹 🇨🇱🇺🇧 🇹🇭🇪🇴🇷🇾❗
I mean. Characters encounter both of them minutes apart in completely different outfits. So unless she's changing her outfits in mere moments between encounters I dont think that's it
@@brandongamer96 some people believe the dead one is force projecting from the live one.
I got the feeling Mae was snaring Qimir and suddenly making a ceremony of giving herself up to the Jedi as her way of forcing Qimir to reveal himself as the Master. And it worked.
180 million dollars to come up with some interesting ideas poorly executed? Just think how many smaller films with new original stories could have made with that money.
Except they wouldn’t be. Hollywood doesn’t do that anymore.
@@mzaite correct, churning out the same tired old IPs means they own every piece of the action.
I yelled at the episode at the end and my wife's boyfriend ran out to ask if I was alright. 😄
Least surprising sentence ever uttered for a Acolyte veiwer 😂😅
😂😂😂 I know! I was yelling at the tv too! My partner came to check if I was okay too! 😂😂
@@Bidenmytimeliterally
The Sith master might be Mother Koril or Aniseya. Do we know for sure they died? They would also have a reason for this vendetta. Whereas Qmir is a pretty random person for the Sith to be.
We distinctly didn't see Koril in the bodies in episode 3, so I'm convinced that Mae's master is Koril
When you mentioned the green master my first thought was “oh yeah, the Orion.” I did like the hint of some politics there, another entry in a long history of the Jedi just deciding that they know best. It’d be nice if the back half of this series gave us some more Jedi politics, but at this point I might have to settle for getting the conclusion to this episode.
I loved this episode! The Kilnnacha scene of him making his Wookie Stir Fry, and all those Witch Coven symbols all over his walls! And seeing him dead with the wound still smoking as it descends into darkness and seeing Mae’s horror that her Master is there… Wow! It felt like a horror show.
Jecki and Osha are definitely feeling each other and the Lesbian in me clocked this relationship from their first scenes together. Y’all know we Ladies move fast😂 when we know, we know! 😂😂😂
THANKS for this!!! I'm here because I want to love "Acolyte" but I don't understand its purpose. So I hope you can explain it, Jessie!!!!
And CONGRATS on your pilot movie!!!!
The Master is clearly Michael from the Good Place.
The relationships across the board kind of aren't working. If Mae wouldn't have like, threatened to kill her sister last episode, her finding out she's alive and willing to surrender would make a lot more sense. Like the flashback should have set up them having a stronger relationship and possibly have them both feel betrayed finding out each other is alive.
I want the Master to be Qimir just to see how Manny Jacinto acts as a villain with the dark side, but I don't see how they're going to justify it being the reveal when the character doesn't seem remotely tied to the rest of the story. It feels like they almost have to have it be someone tied to the fire and the flashback, but who knows.
F can see Kamir being the master. I actually suspect the witch that birthed them secretly being behind the destruction of their temple and now is masquerading as a Sith.
It’s koril there a reason she never shown dead in the temple . Her combat and rage would fuel her skill
@@gamedude412 Yes
Also... "Kofar...More like Kofar-For NOTHING!" there, you can have that one ;)
Qimir was top of my list in ep 2, but now I think it's a big red herring. I think the red sabered baddie is actually Mother Aniseya.
In the craziest tin foil hat corner of my brain, the coven orchestrated the disaster so that the Jedi would presume them dead, then this whole "acolyte arc" for Mae is some sort of lesson her Mother is trying to teach her incognito. Perhaps to rise above the revenge? Or maybe it IS just a revenge plot.
Yeah, they're dropping clues leading to people to think it might be him but there just isn't a STORYLINE reason for it to be him based on anything we've seen. My actual guess is we will see him dressed as the Master or accused of being him before being killed by whoever the true one actually is, and honestly the fact they call the Master "him" when they've never seen their face makes it seem like they're trying to pull people away from thinking it's a woman as well.
I get the whole "playing dumb to hide in plain sight" idea - but he just seems too dumb. A Sith Lord shouldn't be caught so easily in a trap. Same with getting cornered by the Jedi in Ep 2, plus being drunk and asleep when Mae came back to the shop. Throw in what Ep I taught of the Force being super reflexes because you sense things before they happen.
I feel like he's playing dumb to a certain degree but that can also be related to him being a smuggler/rogue character.
I just don't see how if it's him they'll connect it to everything else. The reveal almost has to be connected to the fire and the witches to make any amount of sense from a story perspective.
I think they COULD try to make him related to/the son of Master Sol or another Jedi or something. The show is obviously to some degree about family, so something like that could work, but since it hasn't really been hinted at it would be rough needle to thread.
@@scottn2046he wasn't really caught in the trap , he got out fine if he is the sith.
it's Koril. she was angry at the Jedi from the beginning. Anisaya was dead on the ground. Koril wasn't.
Yord gives serious "peaked in high school" vibes, but he's only a year past that, so he doesn't realize it yet.
Oh I agree, I was so mad at how this episode ended, like ragdolling osha runnning jedi and suddenly credits
Two amazing seasons of Loki, where every episode hit on a solid out, and still nobody at Disney seems to have learned a thing.Disney + has a severe problem with show pacing.
It’s like they write these to binge, then only release them weekly for some reason. How have they still not learned you can’t have both.
I will be now referring to this episode as "blue balls"
You're not wrong. It does feel like that.
And ouch
You're takes are quite insightful
"The Padawan I don't even know her name" well I mean you'd probably pronounce it wildly if you did ;P. Mostly poking fun. It's Jecki by the by.
I think it's clear her master is the dude she's been traveling with.
Technically Mae did manage to kill her last target without a weapon... mission successful.
So, Qimir is Polkaroo (props if you know the reference from TVO's Polkadot Door),
A lot of fans loved Andor, and the show has a lot of powerful women - including a lesbian couple - as well as racial diversity. Many also liked Fallout, which has a female protagonist. It's not about toxic fans, it's about productions that are good or bad, and if you can't see that these Disney productions are crap, it's you who are blinded by ideology, not the fans.
So, I thought episodes one and two were kinda mid, but episode three was pretty interesting and made me want to watch more. As for episode four, I haven't watched it, yet, but I'm still willing to check it out off of the momentum of episode three.
I think “anti-climactic” is the most appropriate summation. Those last few minutes are pretty awesome. I just wish the rest of the episode lived up to it.
Pausing at 3:33 to note that I feel similarly - I'd liked the 1st 3 episodes of the show (even if its pacing and dialogue felt a bit wonky, both of which are rather Lucasian), but this episode just felt rather "meh". There were moments that were "fine" at best, but it mainly just moved things from point A to point B with little interesting movement (whether neat action or character work, etc.) - the only thing that caught me as decent was Mae deciding that she didn't need to continue this revenge quest now that she knows her sister's alive, and is willing to turn herself in. That was a neat idea, shows that Mae isn't necessarily just the rage-fuelled person suggested early on and even in the flashback, but someone who was misled (giving far more credence to Master Sol's comments that there's hope for her and not to give up on her). That said, the rest was (as noted) "quick, stilted" or oddly contrived.
I remember (I think it was Jessie, maybe it was Vera from Council of Geeks, I forget) hearing it suggested that Jason from the Good Place is Mae's master, and I was initially hesitant (thinking that was a little too obvious, and having a little more suspicion of Yord), but...this episode's definitely flipped that for me, though I am still a little suspicious of Yord because I'm pretty sure he's the one who said that the Wookiee wasn't in his home, yet that's exactly where Mae seemed to find his dead body, rather out in the open. At this point, if it's not those 2, I don't see any good reveal for the Master - "just some guy" would disappoint, and no-one else has been set up.
That ending was pretty cool, well made...but a very sudden stop. Given this is the shortest episode yet, and very little had happened over it, this made it all the more disappointing. Hopefully the next episode will make up for it, though it wasn't good on a single episode basis.
Congrats on the movie!!! Hope the render came out of the PC 'oven' okay!
Engagement for the engagement god!
Started watching here, then remembered I have Nebula, so here is a plug to make up for watching less than 30 seconds.
I understood Osha's motivation for not being eager to find Mae; Mae had always been a dick to Osha, and then tried to set her on fire. But I also couldn't buy Mae's sudden turnabout. Sure, maybe seeing Osha alive ameliorated her general level of anger somewhat, but she had convincingly displayed an absolute hatred for the Jedi and that specific belief that the Jedi would murder defenseless people without provocation. That was shown when she challenged, "Attack me with all your might," and seemed _surprised_ that the Jedi wouldn't do that. That has led many people to conclude that Mae must have seen the Jedi attacking her coven mothers and sisters and her young mind interpreted that as an unprovoked attack. She might have been wrong that the Jedi were unprovoked, but that was still her firmly held belief. There was nothing to show that she would change that belief to suddenly assert that the Jedi _don't_ attack unarmed people, nothing to show that her mind would change to trust them. A writer has said she changed her mind because she was tired from the walk. _Tired from the walk?_ Didn't she ever get tired from all the Jedi-killing training she must have gotten?
I am somebody who thinks diversity in a show is a good thing. So I am not a hater because of that. Not a star wars hater at all.
I just find a lot of this show boring.
Something that annoyed the hell out of me about this episode is why did Mae's master kill the wookie? Didn't he want Mae to face him for the lesson he is trying to teach her? It just doesn't make sense. The story would have been much better if they left master Kelnaca alive and he helps the other jedi fight the mask dark figure once they all meet at the point. They could have even brought along less jedi in the trip as well if their goal is to show how powerful the mask guy is and even out the fight
Ideas-Ideas-Ideas, yes...
An idea I find compelling is the parallels I'm seeing between the 'Knights of the Republic' and the Force Coven and the ostensible core of the Jedi order and the conflicts between Christianity and native/aboriginal spirituality and how much of that friction comes from the Christianity of the time period having been or still being an apparatus of the State as opposed to it's pre-Catholicism roots.
Things I hate about science fiction. You have a flying ship. Let's park it here and walk.
Qimir is definitely the bad guy.
I don’t know why when you mix up Mae (Assassin) and Osha(ex-Jedi) when discussing Padawan Jecki bothersome, but it does…
My brother convinced me to give this a try cos of Carrie Anne Moss. Never watched any of the other Star Wars shows but this makes me feel a lot more forgiving of Star Trek Discovery and Picard (s1&2)‘s writing deficiencies as they were so much more solid.
Like Jessie, I enjoy some of the ideas here but structurally it comes off as amateurish. Just how each episode ends abruptly is bad enough
Well, Star Trek was always a notch above Star Wars.
Great review!
Two things I wanted to comment on for the episode;
1. We got another more common name for one of the characters; Bazil! I'll take the names I know of when I can get them :D
2. Something I saw on Twitter that I didn't fully realise was that the alien at the start was Ki-Adi-Mundi from the Prequels! I thought he looked familiar, but I just thought he was another member of his species. Didn't expect to see him here!
Keep up the great videos :)
You didn’t expect to see him here because he hasn’t been born yet.
Hard to believe they could make a mistake like that, but they did.
@@fy4b230, Ah well. Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things :)
@@jeremyadler9620 I mean it kinda does for people who are “super nerds”. Basically just lost that whole contingent of fans.
Seems like Leslie knew she had to somehow fix the “haven’t seen Sith in 1000 years” line from episode 1 said by Mundi, so she took that character and put him in this series.
Taking away the fact that he wasn’t alive during the time this show takes place, now it makes Mundi look like he knew Siths were around and lied to the supreme Jedi court for…reasons.
I dunno, just seems lazy to me. Retcons happen, but something as easy as checking the age of a known character hits differently.
Doesn’t really affect the show, like you said, but this is gonna be the last straw for people who were on the fence I think.
Seems like you’re enjoying the show, so I’m glad it doesn’t affect your enjoyment! Cheers.
@@fy4b230, Fair enough.
Each to their own :)
Cheers to you to :)
@fy4b230 really? This series is 100 years before the prequels, right? That doesn't seem too far fetched for him to be alive at that point. I don't see an official age listed on his bio..
I understand your criticisms and understand your concerns as well. I did enjoy it. I do not like that forest planet, reminds of Fallen Order and use my saber to slice and dice those creatures! That ending hate having to wait a week! So chilling.
I liked the 180, her world view was proven to be wrong, so she changed her path. I groan when characters are shown to be in the wrong, accept that fact, and they just go "in for a penny, in for a pound. I'm sure more murdering of the same people will turn everything around."
I also thought the Yord asking for the blaster back didn't make sense. If he wanted Mae (?) safe, shouldn't he be for her having a weapon to defend herself?
But then I remembered Augustus and Titus Pulo (the excellent Rome mini series, from around 2000) discussing how an incompetent swordsman that runs away can outlive a mediocre one that thinks he can fight it out. (Not exactly what they said, but what they meant).
Maybe getting Mae to feel defenseless was his way of guaranteeing she'd run if things got dicey. If so, he's being far more subtle than I saw him be thus far, so maybe I'm giving too much credit. Again, we'll see.
What I found disappointing is how little they use the Force to enhance their understanding of the world around them. They act more like supersoldiers than mystics tapping an infinite source of enlightenment.
Haven't seen the show just yet, but from what I hear it sounds like history is repeating itself. The prequel trilogy sets the groundwork for an epic tragedy and fascinating characters that other writers go on to expand and develop, yet the actual films struggle with the execution. It sounds like the exact same thing is happening here. My heart goes out to the cast and crew who do not deserve to be reviled and harrassed just for being marginalized creators who love Star Wars.
I still liked the episode, although the ending was a little frustrating where it stopped. I think the friendship was fine, a little quick maybe but understandable when you factor in the amount of off screen time they would have had while travelling. I think Mae’s turn makes sense as she’s been doing what her master wants and trying to stay alive, then her sister is seen and she has to grapple with being told that she was dead. Some of the dialogue could have used another pass but I don’t mind it. I agree it feels like the prequels in that regard.
I totally agree with your assessment of the ending.
Extremely frustrating. But overall I’m still enjoying this show. And you’re totally right about the haters. They were calling the Sith “Mary Poppins” for floating in. They now want to hate it no matter what. They’re like Trumps “I’ll only accept the results if I win”. They’ll only accept the show if it goes their way. Someone else’s way and it’s shit. Love your reviews Jesse.
Qimir is Darth Jar Jar
Just watched episode 4. what was the budget again?
the editing is really bad... there's so much redundant stuff in here.
SPOILERS
1) cut the lines of dafine talking to the local, because Sol will point at the forest anyway...
2) cut we have a tracker line because we know what it is when he smells the cloth and he will say wish we had a tracker for the tracker...
3) Swap the 1st jedi scenes with Mae scenes, so the times make more sense... When they show them already on the planet and the jedi have to rush over from Coruscant but still have a lot of chatting scenes...
4) cut the giant bug scene shorter... SOL! bug flies in, Sol lights up and cuts...
Nothing super bad in episode 4 but the entire thing still feels so amateur like ep1-3
This was actually my favorite episode so far, and am... Let's just say in disagreement with a lot of people.
I don't think there's one scene in this episode that didn't work for me (though I was very anxious that all those giant flying centipedes were going to wake up... I hated those things as soon as the show revealed what they were), and I felt every step forward in the story made sense. Last episode kinda hinted at Mae being an evil psycho, but... That was in direct conflict with everything we've seen of her in the first two episodes, and in this one. Mae's "change of heart" felt more like a way to escape from her master than an actual change of heart. I also get the sense that Qimir IS Mae's master and is actually out for Osha, and not Mae. Which would be an interesting twist for Osha to be the more dark side oriented of the two, and for the flashback episode to be completely biased in Osha's favor.
What's more, I didn't have to suffer anymore horrible child acting or abusive parents this episode. And I actually really loved the cliffhanger. It happened right after Sol told us he was going to reveal the truth to Osha and Mae, and to have both of those resolved next episode is going to make for one hell of an... Almost hour of television. Besides, Leslye Headland has said that episode 5 is the episode that everyone has been loving, and the way this episode went, I think I have to trust her on that.
I’m excited for episode 5! The only episode I haven’t loved is episode 3. I hated that episode but it gave us part of a narrative from Osha’s POV. I don’t like Star War Theory; however, he’s got a parody episode of Anakin and Palpatine’s Opera scene. Let’s just say, it freaking hilarious and worth the watch!
@@persephone342 I think the only interesting thing about episode is that it wasn't even Osha's POV of what happened, but instead what she remembers happening based on everything that's happened since.
She was saved by the Jedi. The Jedi said Mae started the fire. Therefore Mae is a psycho and the Jedi are good. And apparently she had been drawing the symbol of the Jedi order before she ever met a Jedi. She knew what lightsabers were before she met one, too, as she was able to point them out. The Jedi were kind to her, but the coven was unapproving most of the time. Yet Osha's fond memories of her mother still seep through in the episode.
I largely didn't enjoy the episode, either, but it is extremely fascinating from a psychological standpoint. Osha's memories of what happened are tainted with her current day beliefs.
I don't see the cliffhanger ending as a problem. It just gets me more excited for the next episode. When I was growing up in the eighties cliffhangers were the norm. Perhaps they don't work as well with today's audience because we have become so accustomed to instant gratification. Anyway, people who are struggling with the cliffhangers may feel better binge watching the entire series after it's done rather than watching episode by episode.
14:07 yeah, this was some psycho killer stuff.
at this pont in the timeline the Jedi defeated the Sith hundreds of yers ago. but that has been atlest one group of dark siders that was a problem, but the Jedi solved it without anyones help and technically that weren't Sith so the Jedi did not tell anyone or record in there history ethere
This show sadly is looking like a large movie divided into episodes
Ugh
I really love it but dam it
Thar’s been almost everything on Disney+
Before I say this, I am a fan of the show and, for some of its structural flaws, I've been enjoying it. It is, however, obvious that this was conceived as a film and was broken up at wierd no-flow moments into a mini-series. Obi-Wan and Book of Boba Fett had similar issues, but at least they haven't been giving us filler (or things that break the next season of a series for no other reason than bringing in additional marketable characters).
It'll be interesting when it's all out to watch it contiguously.
Will you be also reviewing House of the Dragon, Jessie? We need you to defend Alicent, Goodliest of All Queens, from charges of being a Trump girl! Oh and I wanted to let you know that I introduced a transgal friend to your channel. It is the perfect gift for a gal who is a huge scifi geek who needed a friendly place on the net to relax her brain. She's binging on your HOD after her facial surgery.
Oh; I'm on the podcast Cast of Kings this year doing reviews of HOTD
@@jessiegenderafterdark5287 Ah ha! *wanders over* Thanks!
Hey, hey, hey, what about Rhaenyra? She lost a son!
And Alicent seems to get some, which Rhaenyra does not.
Great about your movie!
You need to watch the pre-disney starwars movies, and read a few pre-disney book series, and compare how the jedi act in them to what disney has turned the jedi into, and I think you'll find disney has fewer good ideas than you think.
I saw a lot of people talking about how the flashback episode didn't actually tell us much new and seemed almost as if they didn't trust their viewers to figure out the really basic character stances they'd set up in the first two episodes. I was holding out thinking that there were some good reveals coming, but now I'm not so sure. Apart from the really frustrating cut at the end of it, I thought the stuff with Qimir whether he's a minion or the big bad himself, was so obviously telegraphed that I'm pretty disappointed.
Like your issue with Jord, I thought Jekki the Padawan's cold comment on killing the moth, followed by a really friendly moment less than 5 seconds later, was incredibly jarring to me, and everything with Osha leaving then coming back, felt not quite earned but just like a paint-by-numbers series of plot points.
I feel your frustrating entirely, just like with Discovery, how I love everything that show tried to do but the writing was just lousy and even my mom could barely make it through, complaining how often they would pause an action sequence for a heart-to-heart. I'm going to hope this turns out better and I'll still enjoy it, it's just disappointing with what it could have been. Like poor Boba Fett and how his show just turned into Mandalorian filler....
One thing i disagree with you on is that they knew their lore and did their star wars research . Why is Ki Adi Mundi alive 40 years before he was born ? And if they’re just gonna change cannon dates, Master Mundi who sits on the council isn’t gonna tell master yoda about this ? Makes no sense
The green Jedi master is Vernestra Rowh from the High Republic novels. She is a very strange choice for a politically-obsessed Jedi.
100 years of bureaucracy can change a person
Just because it *could* happen doesn't make it a good literary choice. For one, her story in the High Republic novels isn't over yet. But also just taking some random character and deciding they fill a completely different function in the story is not justified just by the passage of time.
Bazil and their little gear were adorable. Need more Bazil.
Filthy little rodent...
I really hope Qimir is not the masked Sith. That would be a bad choice
My biggest complaints about this show are the lack of character development and motive, and lack of levity. A little humor is essential to create the emotional roller coaster effect found in all the best movies and TV shows.
I feel like all the strong momentum the last episode generated got deflated with this episode. We're back to E1's clunky storytelling and dialogue and yeah this one leaves us with blue balls at the end. I could already tell I wasn't going to like this episode with the weird tone of the briefing scene. Ah yes, the classic Star Wars humor we love with droids shooting things at small furry creatures and the comedic music. Here I thought this was going to be a grown-up show for adults like Andor succeeded at amazingly.
Stray thoughts:
-yeah, dude from The Good Place almost certainly the secret Sith. It's just the most economical thing to do. Also one of the more boring things to do.
-"I will explain everything once we get back to the ship." LMAO THIS GUY'S A GONER. They might as well have told us Sol was one day away from retiring.
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Yeah Mae's turn was hard to get at this time, had this been building over 3 or 4 episodes and do the a "betrayal" in the finale then it'd have felt better. There are tropes and cliche's for a reason =)
The Acolyte has been good, not great, in my opinion. I really liked the scenes of the forest. I would've preferred the Wookie Jedi not to have died. 100% agree that the episode should have been longer and showed the fight at the end and maybe the sisters reuniting. It really is a shame that so many toxic individuals are drowning out the good faith criticisms of the show and review bombing the series. On a better note, Happy Birthday JG!
This new sith is Darth Vader level
Hey Jessie! Another great review; I think you a good take on this series. But, given the run-times and the underwhelming costumes and FX, just where the heck did all the money go? Because it's not showing up on the screen as it has shown up in other DSW series.
Hey Jessie, given that SW:Disco and DW are done or will be until next year, I'm spreading out watching the Eps over the whole summer. I look forward to your reviews as I watch each ep.
Was that a Basil Brush reference?
I'm one of those people who believe that the praise and criticism surrounding Star Wars are often exaggerated. However, I make an exception for Andor, which I consider even superior to the original trilogy.
Regarding The Acolyte, I find it acceptable for what it is, but it suffers from the same issues as other Disney series. The episodes are as short as cartoons, leading to narratives that are too compressed to allow characters and ideas to develop fully. It's unclear if this is due to budget constraints or a deliberate strategy to capture the short attention spans of younger audiences accustomed to TikTok-style content. This results in what feels like an average film stretched thin over eight episodes.
Except for the early seasons of The Mandalorian, which benefit from focusing on a single character, I don't think this model works for more complex stories. It might make more sense if Disney adopted a Netflix-like approach, releasing entire seasons at once. With such brief episodes released weekly, it always feels like something is missing.
The underlying theme of this show for me is the Jedi are cops. They aren't morally righteous and pure like the lore has led us to believe. This is "the thread" that's causing the generic hatred for the show. I agree with you that we either need more or longer episodes to successfully tell this story.
The “lore”? You mean the shit Jedi said about THEMSELVES? Shocker, they’re lying cops aggrandizing themselves. Especially with the the empire erasing them, leaving only the conveniently idealized stories.
Hello, Jessie. I enjoyed this week's new "Acolyte," but I must be honest: the ending drools. 7/10 for me. Keep up the good work and may the Force be with you.
Her black mother is the master. Mae is not bad and do a turn like the other one from the obi wan series , reaver or so. It is clear as the air on an freezing cold winter day. And the jedi killed the witches. The actress who plays mae and o.s.h.a. is realy not good she plays both parts exactly the same and thats one more thing everyone speaks in the same tone they feel all the same.
yeah, they do sound very similar with the only difference being their outfits.
Bad direction perhaps?
Maybe that could have helped her give better performances as two separate characters?
I agree with your theory. Definitely the main suspect.
0:51 lol humble brag: “can’t use computer because i am exporting my movie.“ congrats
This episode certainly felt like filler but, I still like a few of the fake outs and, Bazil, so cute. I hope episode 5 is better.
I liked this episode a lot better than the last episode. i agree with your criticisms, Jessie. The dialogue and execution could've
been better in spots. I think you're right about the helmeted sith. It's probably Qmir. I think their Master is one of the witches.
It's been a while since I last commented on one of your SW or ST reviews, but I'm just starting to catch up on the most recent seasons. Anyway, I get where you're coming from on your criticisms. If it was a different franchise I might feel similarly because I noticed the same things.
But that's just it. This is Star Wars, not a different franchise. At its best (for me) Star Wars has always been a live-action cheesy kid's comic book or cartoon which just happens to have more philosophical depth than the average children's show/film. It's not Star Trek, in other words. And every part of this episode, even the flaws, felt right for the original and prequel trilogies it referenced.
The almost too fast pacing of character beats - which is what most of your critiques are addressing - including Mei's reversal is reminiscent of the original trilogy. It's Saturday morning cartoon pacing. And it's not lost on me that the stilted dialogue of the Coruscant scenes echoed the dialogue of the Prequel trilogy, much of which centres on Coruscant. It all feels intentional to me.
I really love the more complex moral nuance that shows like Ahsoka, and The Acolyte are introducing into the live-action SW media. But the charm of these shows, in particular, is that they manage to keep it all on a child's level.
Having said all that, yeah, I do get your frustrations. Lol! ... It's just that at my age I've just come to accept that the flaws are a part of SW from the very beginning and I'm kind of resigned to them.
Very underwhelmed by this episode. The best part was the reveal at the end, and the Force-pushing. Otherwise, it was what MSTies would call "rock climbing". But, we'll see... not giving up on it yet.
I made & posted a meme about it though, with double Leo DiCaprios sitting in the chair pointing, with "Plot synopsis of Ep.4".... pointing at the two classic Jedi appearances.
At least it’s rock climbing and not
SANDSTORM! Like most of Secret Invasion.
Mae's heel-turn, as presented, was completely unmotivated. That was bad, BAD, writing and execution. I know you agree to some degree and appreciate your criticism there but... I think you're too kind about it. A character completely, changed their entire motivation after only a two sentence conversation as set-up. We've seen no other set-up for that shift. None. You can't just go into your head-canon to explain it, if you're going to be a fair critic about it. You have to take what it shown and expressed in the show.(I'm speaking rhetorically there , not directly at you.)Game of Thrones's Dany heel-turn was better motivated than this and people we're pretty united in their recognition of that.
As for the bad side of the fandom, I hate them too, and I hate the existence of the hate-peddlers, and I hate RUclips algorithms working for them. But... When writing and execution is this bad, it needs to be recognized fairly. Every fan deserves better.
Agree with your thoughts. The show has some really good concepts and its a new era, no previous show to worry about, no easter eggs, no cameos bjt thr execution is poor ehich is a pity because everything i heard about thr show before got ne executed which is why im a little sad that the show has issues in its direction even though i think the cast is reakly good. But the show did got me into high republic books which has been really fun so thats one good thing and the show has great fight svenss so far so im excited for the sith fight. Additionally you mentioned thay the jedi dont know wjay sith is, its more thay thr jedi csnt believe that the sith still exist, they think thay at this point they are the prevailing power, they are the only ones who can use the force, so imagining that a sith, someone not a jedi exists, is difficult for them. Great review😊
It’s wild how people, outside of having to combat morons who are antiwoke grifters, are mostly like “meh. It’s alright”. It makes me think that Disney is hoping that the Culture War aspect is really what is needed to keep the discourse active. The WORST thing for a franchise is apathy and if the trolls ignored the show, I think most viewers would end up finding the show forgettable. I *WISH* the show was as “woke” as the branding and the haters say it is. It’s so weak and passionless for me