Is My Vintage Les Paul A Chibson?!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2019
- Is my beloved KM Les Paul A Fake? Let's find out!
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Could It be TRUE?!?!?!?!
Who knows???!!!
Naw pretty sure its lagit, it looks correct as far as hardware is concerned and the plain maple top. And as you stated the larger head stock. Jealous man! But I lucked out on a 2016 that was done correct one of the best I have played.
It has to be authentic because the freaking sound you get out of that thing is mine blowing
'nuff said, that's a really nice DEAN guitar you have.
Yes it is a real gibson. And im a true true gibson aficionado. Ive purchased guitars from trogly (he knows everything gibson) and im extremely invested in his channel and hes done many videos on the K.M. And its specific appointments. Along time ago when i started watching this channel i noticed it was a K.M. Long before you mentioned it. and a really good one at that. Keep that thing forever. Ive got a 78’ custom 👍
Definitely counterfeit. Send it to me immediately for disposal.
Hands to GC employee carrying axe.
Yeah he should send it to you. For sure.
Lol!
😂
Great comment LOL
Uuuhhmm stays in tune? Obviously a fake, can't sound original lime that
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Matthew Guarna HAHAH best comment !
Lol
"KM" obviously stands for Korean Made
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Good to know
Naaw man, KM stands for Killer Machine ...MON...LOL...:)
Pure legit 70's Les Paul. I own a '79 Goldtop, it shares all the major features - for years I didn't even realise the headstock was oversized! - the roughly cut binding, the volute, the maple neck, the metal pot cover, all of it. Its a heavy beast, it screams through a Marshall stack, and the top isn't showing any sign of greening....yet! Late 70's Les Pauls get a bad rep for no reason. Gibson let turkey's escape every year, but there are always good ones to be found, the 70's are no exception.
Got a 79 standard, only things I replaced on it since owning since 82 it are a set of grovers and the input jack. Best guitar I've ever owned, has the same large headstock, valute, 3 piece neck.
Yeah. Those 70's era Les Pauls were absolutely awful until the owner wants to sell it. Then they suddenly become the greatest guitars ever made ; ) I've had 2 norlin era Gibson's and they were my favorite Gibson's ever, except for the weight. There was just something about them that doesn't seem to be replicated in the new Gibson's. It was something about the overall feel and the way they vibrated. Of course mine were a '69 Les Paul bass and a '71 Les Paul Recording guitar. Unfortunately, I had to sell them because of some stupid financial decisions on my part.
Your Les Paul has a nice tone...if you like PERFECTION
haha love it!!
Who gives a damn if it’s fake? You seem to love it and it has that legendary logo on the headstock seems fine to me 😃🤘🏻
Headstock Logos doesn't make the guitar and today not many care about Gibson anymore...guitar companies like Gibson need to come into reality that the Majority of overseas guitars are professionally crafted quality and just plain remarkable and for much much less and will kill companies like Gibson eventually Gibson prices need to come way down...
@@BlueberryStinkFinger62 Gibson just dropped their prices by like $800
Hey Rob, I just got myself a new Jackson SL3 Japan!
I've got a 93 Les Paul standard, and it's got a three piece Birdseye top, it's got loads of faults, but I love it, and when I bought it back in 97, my guitar teacher wanted to buy it if me! It's not so much about how much is right, it's living with the faults and ending up loving it for it?
I have a 1979 The Paul with T top pickups and just got it refretted for it's 40th birthday. It's awesome!
Darn thing sounds incredible. What is your signal chain? U using software or a real amp? Pedals?
Pretty sure it's real, but either way if you decide you don't want it...hit me up! 🤩
But what about dat Cali life🔥
Robert Baker California lo ve🎶🎶🕪🕪🕪🕪🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🎶🎶
@@RobertBakerGuitar My Cali is on FIRE! :)
Your tone/ reverb is pretty sick... what is powering that oL fiddle!!!??? Do share!!
what amp is that through ? it sounds killer
Statement from Gibson: "Yeah...uh, so actually...all 70's Gibsons are now counterfeit. Yep. So, uh, in order to *play authentic*, you need to purchase from our 2019 product line. From Guitar Center."
I waiting for my LP Tribute to be delivered from Sweetwater. Have a great weekend!!
Little Rhody Guitar I live 15 minutes away from the store. Want me to stop in and test it out for ya lol
Enjoy your new guitar.
I got a honeyburst tribute earlier this year. My only flip-flop I've had is whether I should've gone goldtop or not.. Logic being, the goldtop would hide the fact that it's a tribute and not a studio or even standard, much more than the straight wood finish - where the maple is not flamed, and clearly visible.
But it's gorgeous anyway, in a grungy RocknRoll-esque kinda way. Non-guitarists tell me it looks old. And while I'm no fan of relique-ing myself, I choose to believe that that's the way I want it to look. In fact, the salesman tried to upsell me to a studio.
He was like, "It's only $600 more for a shiney finish!"
I looked him dead in the eye and said, "My point exactly!"
It looks better, sounds better (the wood can breathe) and feels better (it has that satin feel instead of sticky gloss).
...And $600 looks better in my pocket, thank you very much!
All in all, I'm very happy with my choice. It's just... I had never paid any attention to goldtops before. They looked like cheeeeaaap facsimiles of the real thing to me. I didn't realise they preceded the bursts! And in any case, the look has grown on me. I think the matte gold juxtaposed by the chrome hardware is just something special. Ideally, a pair of minihumbuckers, I think. That might be how I justify buying another, down the track!
I had a 2017 tribute with some nasty fret sprout. Hadbto take it back.other than that felt amd sounded amazing. Camebwith the highest quality gigbag ive ever seen too
@@themixmusicandmore6280 I bought mine from Sweetwater and had to send it back. It had a bunch of stuff wrong with it, from ground issues to fret sprout and a few more things. In other words 55 point inspection failed.
Hey Robert, big fan, I want to pick your brain for a second. I just sold my line6 spider IV and ordered a vox vt20x modeling amp. I was wondering what your thoughts on said amp series. My research shows mostly positive but no idea who the reviewers are( never heard of them, random reviews on store website, etc.) I’d really value your opinion on the subject. Thanks man.
I have a 77 les paul custom and man it stays in tune amazing!! Has the bigger headstock, volume, less break angle, made in Kalamazoo, and plays and feels amazing!
Wide binding probably to cover up the maple top edge?
Whatever the brand is, this guitar sounds great. I don't know why people get bothered by aesthetics so much (though I have a bullet strat only), sound is what we hear.
If you pay thousands of dollars for a guitar, you expect the original one though? That's the point.
anyone named mandeep or subdeep or chakrabbit who has an opinion like this should definitely be regarded as an expert in indian technology
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 I come from a country of tremendous economic imbalance and superb philosophical heritage. These things taught me to pick the absolute necessary thing and do that, don't get bothered by looks. Have a great day.
@@gerrycrisandy2425 you're right. I was just talking about this craze towards aesthetics everywhere, be it cellphones or be or guitars. The main purposes are most of the time forgotten.
Are they pickups designed by Bill Lawrence? That would explain why they can do the Nuno-thing
3:47 "Original Nut" - Robert Baker, 2019
Love your guitar! I have the same exact one, except mine's a bit more beat up on the back. I bought it about 10 years ago. We both turn 40 this year!
Best Les Paul designs
Maple neck
The volute
The heavier weight
The headstock 70’s design
Nolin era
Great LP for that era
I’ve wondered why the thick binding up by the neck. But, if you look very closely at a Les Paul with a “correct” thickness binding, it is the exact same wide thickness, but it appears thinner because the thick part is just covered with paint.
I've got a 70's L.P. with the big headstock and the volute, plays and sounds incredible. The fret ends in the neck binding is another give away
I have a 1983 Gibson Spirit, a rather rare and funky double cut model that's not easy to find, and people always ask me "is it real?" too. I know it is, and let me tell you, these obscure models from the 70's and 80's have something really special. Mine is awesome, super light and resonant, it's my main guitar despite having more "propoer" gibsons (a les paul and a 345)
The best guitars always has some kind of issue, a resistance you must fight and adapt, and then LOVE!
70s Gibson basses are amazing. The SB 450 had a maple neck and an alder body and it sounded amazing
I could tell it was authentic right off the gate man, absolutely beautiful axe brother!!
I have a KM Les Paul and although it's my heaviest guitar it's one of my favourites. Mine has had a new jack and 2 new volume pots plus a refret with stainless steel jumbos and a new bone nut, but it sounds amazing and plays so easily. GREAT GUITARS! Plus I've always loved the volutes on these old Gibbos.
beautiful, and i like those t tops. I'd like to hear what it (especially the neck pickup) sounds like clean through a nice marshall or fender
I have a '76 Standard, that has all the same "quirks that you mentioned... I agree that the maple neck brightens up the tone a bit!! With mine though, the magic is in neck pickup... Killer "Lady Tone"!!! She's a keeper!!
Really nice finish, what's it called?
Did you see RUclips is making it harder for companies to issue copyright strikes??? Also, they have to timestamp each infraction & you can now edit that part out... Hope all is well take it easy...
Real or fake that is one awesome sounding guitar 🔥🔥🎸🎸👍🏽👍🏽
Why doesn't the dark burst "match" or line up properly behind the tailpiece (there's a visible seam)? Almost like its 2 separate guitar halves glued together that don't quite match. It's so obvious to me, yet I haven't seen anyone else mention this. Sounds fantastic, though.
Love everything about that guitar. It looks beautiful, and sounds amazing. It helps that you're great player!
The thick binding in the cutaway is to cover the maple cap that would show otherwise.
Older gibsons like the 50s I believe left the binding the same thickness in there so you could see the maple cap in the cutaway.
Some newer models like my 2015 classic have the thin binding in the cutaway.
I like the thingy on the back of the headstock. My Carvin has one and it helps me sleep better at night.
Never thought it was, fake, just absolutely beautiful and sounds amazing.
It's real.... and it sounds pretty amazing. Doesn't hurt that its beautiful either. I have 2 70's era Les Pauls, love the thinner necks on those. Does this one have a smaller neck than what you'd expect from a Paul?? I'm curious
just with the first riff you can say is 110% Authentic!!! Amazing Tone! Cheers Robert...
Love your KM!. I had heard that Norlin changed the size of the Standard headstock to be the same size as the Custom, so they could use the same blanks on either model. At the time, the Custom was larger, since it is routed for binding. If they routed a Standard headstock, the would be very close to the tuning pegs. I have a '78 LP Pro Deluxe (stock P-90's, ebony fingerboard). Love it, though it ways a ton!
I've never understood the aversion to the volute. Unless it's truly massive, would you even really notice it?
My main issue wasn't the volutes, it was the maple necks, 3 piece tops and weight, I started with a 77 Deluxe back in the late 70's it was nasty.
10:00 He switches to the gold top. I thought he was demoing the KM. Why did he switch to playing the gold top for this little section?
I own a 1992 Gibson Les Paul Classic Plus, the inside looks identical, it's basically a re issue of a 1960s Les Paul, stamped serial number aswell
Those lower output pickups are fun to play. They really make you dig in to get the most out of them.
First thing I did to my 78 lp was DiMarzio pickups and a brass nut. That's what we did in the 70s
Awesome! . Good for you. Thanks for sharing.
It's just Keith Merrow Signature Gibson, no big deal.
Love that guitar! It definitely has some snap as you said. Those humbuckers almost have single coil tendencies in this one!
And that's what good are supposed to sound like
That’s one terrific KM you have there, that compliments your playing. I never thought it a Chibson. It looks a lot like my son’s ‘81 Heritage 80 Elite, except the neck is maple!
The headstock is the same size as a Custom headstock. In a cost cutting move in 69 or 70 Norlin decided to make just on headstock. The Custom has triple binding and is wider
I've always loved your les Paul. The main thing that always caught my eye was the cream pickups.
Love the color of that top on yours Robert'''' Mine is a 1976'' with Honey Burst top...but get this.. Its a Standard. excpt'' it has a Deluxe Neck.. Was told they did this with some of the Standards because of their inventory stock prepairing for the big move to come... Who knows, But its the same 3''piece Maple big head stock neck, & it has a Honey Burst finish that matches that super heavy pancake body.... Could have bought a new one for what it cost''''but hey....It wouldnt be a real 70,s L.P. now would it... Well used but never abused..gotta love It...Love your stuff Man...stay safe out there.. CHEERS from Mid Mo..
One of my former band mates back have one of those huge headstock gibson he got from his oldman.we did thought it was fake as first but of course its real if you look at it closely. And as for the huge headstock design we heard a rumor about that back in the early 80's saying that gibson was rivaling fender's big headstock style.were not sure how true that is, but that is what we've heard.
Where is the other LP looking guitar I've seen you play it sounds the best 😂
I like the white “mother of toilet seat” inlays. Sets it apart from all the other LP’s. Damn nice guitar. And kickass playing too! 👊🏻
I bought a Japanese les paul copy in the early 80s branded " Phoenix " which I still own and cherish today, I've upgraded every piece of hardware on it over the years ( actuality decades) although my reason for buying it was that it was the only fixed neck Les Paul in the store that I could afford when I was 16 it turns out the Japanese happen to be very good at making musical instruments and I still enjoy playing it today
I always wondered which Les Paul it had been modeled after........wide headstock , valute, and double cream pickups.....ring any bells lol
Trogly is awesome!! Nice to see him getting some love!
Song at 4:42?
Robert, I do not think there is a thing wrong with the inlays. The bursts had pearloid/fake/plastic inlays, they are no different.
I had the same headstock on my 77 special reissue which had the flattest neck i ever played on a non shred guitar, beautiful guitar in tobacco burst but the head stock was def like your les paul.
Damn dude you KILL it bro hearing you play puts a smile on my face lol
RB...i for one, freakin love the volute...i think they never should of stopped doing that...i learned ALOT about the "KM's" after watching you and trogly....i always keep my eye out for one....rock on my brother!!!
I agree it doesnt matter what brand of guitar you have or if its fake as long as it works and you enjoy playing it. Just slowly save up and upgrade in the future. Rock on cheers.
I honestly think that is one of the nicest Gibson Les pauls I've ever seen in my entire life. 👍🇺🇸
FYI the larger headstock is to add mass on the other side of the strings for more sustain to counter the mass of the body. That’s one of the reasons these guitars ring like a bell.
Your gold top seems to have a less bright tone more like a standard tele
If it is a Chibson, which sort? Is it the Sow What or the Meat n Greet?
My 83 had the same headstock, it’s a Norlin thing
3 piece neck with volute=superior design, stronger & less likely to break at the headstock
Usually true but Gibson thinned the headstock and then put the volute in the wrong spot. 70’s Les Paul heads broke off all the time and are a pig to fix.
I have a weird suspicion that during this exact era when they were moving the Epiphone line to the Matsumoku line... Well.. They started using 3 piece maple necks because of shipping from Japan... And Norlin is on the list of supplied companies... I have a feeling raw sources were coming from CNC in Japan and finished in USA... Japan made guitars are sick btw... So I think it might be both..
Gibson wouldn't want anybody to know..
I always have been a fan of late 70s series LPs. I like the way I like the way they feel and I like the way they sound and they cost less
Good video. The tell tale sound is the logo. The fakes have the leaning "G" to this day.
Read the latest issue or last months issue that has Billy Gibbons on the cover. One of the Gibson LP Juniors or ??model has a different style headstock on it. I know he purchased a guitar from a guy in Birmingham, Al. called Retro. All custom made to order. Personally I like the Volute on some Gibsons.
When you day Nashville did you mean Memphis?..ive been to the Memphis Gibson plant about 4 times..right off of Beale St...just a question . ..i guess i.couodve just googled it for the answer but then it takes away the comments lol..great playing and great channel brother...long time subscriber
Answer is....Nasville factory is solid body...les Paul's etc...
Memphis is semi-hollow body guitars...BOOM....thank you Google
Deevh5150 They have closed the Memphis factory now and all electrics are being made in Nashville.
Worked on a 74 les paul the other day... many inconsistencies that made me doubt it at first but having done some research it's the faults that confirmed it was indeed authentic... bugger I said it. One thing was the scale lenght was way out... but man that guitar rocked. Its imperfections made it perfect.
I watch every Trogly's vids, teach me a lot 👍👍👍
Turning a negative into a positive, one of the major reasons I love the channel! Never even considered what your guitar was.. just that it sounds great 🤘rock on buddy🤘
The thick binding in the cutaway was to hide the entirety of the maple cap. If you look on other, more historically correct bindings, they're much thinner, and you can see the maple and mahogany in the cutaway in the finish. I have a 71 Deluxe with the thicker binding also. Also a 3 pc 'hog neck, pancake body and I like the volute. And the bigger headstocks rule!
ABR 1 bridge, also look at the back of the headstock, Gibson always glues the wings, Chibson uses a one piece neck and headstock. Also always look at the potentiometers, Gibson always uses Gibson labeled potentiometers or CTS! The back of the bridge should also read Gibson, they also do not use Allen key truss rods, they have a socket or wrench style truss rod adjuster. Chibson also has slightly different shape horn, most of them, and the knobs usually don't line up properly, truss rod cover on a Gibson is 2 screws, Chibson is 3, like Epiphone
I'd take off the pickguard and the toggle switch ring and it would look so much better. 😎 But that's just my personal opinion.
Watched until 1:35 so far. First thing that got into my eyes in the Headstock. It kinda looks too big, especially on the top when the Gibson logo is. The 2 corners are actually Very wide like on a les paul custom
Stays in tune really well! Well that gives the game away
I love the 3 piece maple necks and volute. I was disappointed Gibson didn't put that on the new Les Paul Deluxes
I absolutely love this model and yours is particularly good looking. Very nice.
Kalamazoo MI, my friend had a rare GK-55 which was made from 79-80 in the style of the 55 L.P., the GK is reportedly referred as Gibson Kalamazoo. It also was a great intro Gibson guitar for young guitarist, but your KM is much much nicer.
"The angle of the headstock is different too."
I'm thinking to myself (for the worse?)
Robert said it stays in tune extremely well.
So there is that part !
And if he just plays it and doesn't sit on it daily, it will probably not spontaneously break.
Look for a brass nut under the truss cover,pickups can be changed out,a knock off would have a hex truss.
Cool! my favorite vintage guitars are music mans. I recently bought a cutlass in black 🙃
I’m 50 and played a bunch of 70’s Paul’s and Gibson’s , they all had medium to small frets if I remember right , heavy, most 70’s had 3 piece necks , the necks at the headstock were way stronger than the 50’s and modern ones , the metal parts corroded really fast , they had a more tight focused tone common with heavy dense wood guitars , they feedback like crazy through loud amps , very rock and roll though
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They did the binding like that to hide the thick top. The older and newer ones don’t try to hide that one spot
Seen one similar in a video. Bad Company Shooting Star Hard Rock Live.
The 70s LPs are where it's at. The valute on the neck is what saves it from a higher chance of headstock breakage. I love the bigger headstock too.
This sounds like a job for The Trogly's Guitar Show =D
Soon as I saw it I knew what it was. I have the same guitar in sunburst. Very nice guitar.
I have a big headstock SG and a small headstock SG ...
they look so different side by side...
Yeah on their own you're like is this normal then side by side you're like wow this ones weird
Everyone one of those I have ever seen has actual real mother of pearl inlays rather than the plastic pearloid that most have. That’s why they are still so white, they don’t yellow like the plastic ones do. They also don’t shrink like the old plastic or celluloid ones do. It’s always intrigued me that they used pearl on those because all the standards had and still have plastic and originally only the customs had real pearl. The plastic pearloid and celluloid can be made to look as swirly as the manufacturer desires but with pearl you get what nature gives you (some even used a form of nitrocellulose plastic which along with celluloid are both super flammable) while pearloid can simply be a modern pearlescent plastic that doesn’t have the issues of the older ones. I love the pearloid inlays on my modern day standard and normally I hate plastic inlays, with all my custom works I generally use pearl or abalone or other types of real shell instead of doing my inlays with plastic. From what I can see in the video they look like pearl and not cheap to me, but I could be wrong. The only reason the pearl logo looks yellow on old headstocks is from the lacquer over it yellowing. Pearl can also take a brilliant high polish and really bring out its color and chatoyance. Anywho that was a super long explanation just to say It’s an awesome guitar I have always enjoyed your videos with it. Oh and the binding simply follows the maple cap in the cut away, if you look at another les Paul with the the normal binding you can see the slightly thicker part of the maple cap peeking out from under it inside the cut away. Experienced guitar tech and luthier. (And die hard Gibson lover). CHEERS!