The one we have seen die is the end of thawnes life, then the other thawnes have been previous versions of that thawne whose time line has now been affected so he can have a new death, this system repeats it self for each new death.... I think...
That's not true... if he didn't do that then eaobard would have killed team flash Yes it thane killing himself didnt do what he intended it to but it served a purpose
@@Duni4ever22 What if he just, like.. bought a ticket to fucking Hawaii so that he could never meet RF great great Grandma or whatever and have an entire different set of kids. Or what if he just swore off sex in that singular moment before RF kills barry.
Savatar: killer Frost cmon we still have to make me god and exist in every moment of every timeline(essentially IMMORTAL!) Timeline: eh Also savatar: alrighty so do we use this Splicer...
The Reverse Flash Timeline He was born in 2151, he grew up admiring the flash, it became his idol. He became so obsessed that he replicated the secuence of events that made the flash on himself. He became a speedster himself, just like the flash. After some time, he realized that his destiny was to become the opposite of the flash, a reverse. So he traveled back in time to kill barry, multiple times. Either one of them was strong enough to kill the other. So Eobard traveled back in time to try to find out who the flash actually is. In one of his travels he was successful, and he knew that the flash is CSI Barry Allen. Then, in the crisis of 2024, he went back to the year 2000 to try to kill barry as a kid, but future barry followed him back. They had a fight in the Allen's house. Then, future barry takes his younger self to a safe place. Eobard was so mad, so he proceeded to kill Barry's mother, thinking that a tragedy like that would leave him so traumatized that he would never become the flash. But then, when Eobard tried to run back to his time, he noticed that without the flash, the speedforce left his body and had no way to go back. Knowing that he had to stay it that time for a while, he killed Harrison Wells and took his appearance. He did that so that he could speed up the creation of S.T.A.R. labs and the flash. 15 years later, the particle accelerator exploded, spreading a big wave of dark matter throughout the city. Then, a lightning bolt hit Barry allen in his lab. With the combination of dark matter and lightning, barry became flash, the fastest man alive. Eobard (with the appearance of Harrison Wells, very known scientist) trained barry allen so that he could be fast enought to send him back to his time. After a year of training and being very close friends with the people at S.T.A.R. labs, barry found out that his idol Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne, was the man who killed his mother. Then eobard told barry that he could go back and save his mother with one condition, he had to send Eobard back to his time. Even though barry was so mad that the man that he had been working with for over a year was actually his biggest enemie and the man who killed his mother, he agreed to send him back. So he did, he opened a portal and went back to the year 2000 to save his mom and Eobard got in a time sphere to go back to his time. When barry got to the house where his mother was killed, he encountered the future barry that came behind eobard to try to stop him. He told barry to go back so he did. He went back to 2015 before Eobard left and punched the time sphere breaking it in pieces. Eobard was so mad since flash decided not to save his mother. They started to fight. But before eobard killed barry a gunshot was heard. It was eddie thawne, an ancestor of eobard. He killed himself so that Eobard would never exist. Then eobard faded away since he was now erased from existance. Then, a year later, a timeline remnant of eobard traveled to 2016 to try to find out who the flash really is. This is confusing because he was supposed to be erased out of existance. But since he is from the future, his timeline hasn't started yet, so he can still come back and restart the process all over again. The flash defeated him and locked him up in the pipeline. But that started to affect the timeline. Then the timeline started to affect one of the members of team flash, cisco ramon. Knowing this he gets eobard and throws him back to his time. Then after an evil speedster called Zoom kills Barry's father, barry decides to go back to the year 2000 and stop eobard from killing his mother. Because of that a new timeline was created called Flashpoint. In this timeline, barry grew up with both of his parents and has eobard locked up. After a while, barry starts to loose his memories from the original timeline so he gets eobard and sends him back to 2000 to kill Barry's mom and erase Flashpoint to go back to the original timeline. Then eobard just leaves. After traveling more in time he gets chased by the black flash. Since eddie thawne killed himself, he is no longer supposed to exist, so, he became a paradox. Eventually, black flash catches up to eobard and kills him, erasing him from existance again. You may think that that is the end of it, but no. He manages to survive being erased off of existance by using the negative speed force to sheild himself. Then, he finds his way over to Earth X and joins overgirl and dark arrow in their invasion of earth 1. After being defeated barry just lets him get away. Then back in earth one, in 2034, 10 years after flash disappeared in the crisis of 2024, eobard gets captured in iron heights. Cicada's dagger was dampening his powers. But then, the 2018 flash with his daughter Nora go back to 2015 to talk to that eobard and have him fix a tool that will dampen cicada's dark matter. After knowing this, eobard elaborated a plan and gained Nora's trust in 2049, a little bit before his death sentence. He told her to do a sequence of events that will get the dagger destroyed. A couple of minutes before Eobard's death sentence, the dagger gets destroyed in 2018 so it doesn't exist anymore in 2049 therefore, Eobard goes free. Then he has a race with 2018 flash and his daughter Nora. After all those changes in the timeline, Nora starts to get eraded out of existance. Then the eobard leaves after telling barry that he'll see him in the next crisis.
Mad respect, but if the reverse flash who was stuck in flashpoint and hunted by black flash was the one to kill Barry's mother, then how did Barry learn to use his speed cause there was no eobard that got stuck and became Harrison Wells ?
@@peterstafford26 because barry stopped reverse flash from killing his mom , therefore he still had his powers intact , I think Barry Learned how to use his powers because he didnt lose his memories of the ORIGINAL timeline , ( the timeline where barry knew that Reverse flash killed his Mother )
@@AvatarWindy i love how he calculates everything. He is a genius, i dont know how barry ever beat him or created gideon because the grant gustin flash needs help just to tie his shoes let alone creating a sentient AI or defeating a speedforce criminal like thawne who created his own speedforce dimension and powers
KillerGames This entire video wrong, and let me explain. When eobard fixes flashpoint with Barry, he goes back to the past to relive his 15 year plan to go back to the future as we see in s1. Although, this time eobard knows that he will die to Eddie and Barry and takes precautions in order to live, this time with information. He then assembled his group in legends of tomorrow in order to stop himself from dying using the spear of destiny, although, the black flash absorbs him into the speed force, and he is trapped in there with Barry at the end of s3. After Cisco creates the device to release Barry from the speed force, than manages to escape as well, this time surviving, but later being imprisoned in 2043, effectively setting the plot for s5. Keep in mind that this eobard is still the time remnant from flashpoint.
@@keynight7513 no, he cannot relive the 15 years before the events in legends of tomorrow season 2 because he clearly states in the show he's been hunted by the black flash ever since barry released him from the flashpoint prison. meaning he would have no time to play 15 years of harrison wells without the black flash finding him and killing him. he also would be wearing wells' face in legends if he did go through that first. i do however think its possible that this remnant (or any remnant he brought into the legends finale) relived the 15 years after the events of legends season 2, in order to take wells' body and face back. since that's who we see in crisis on earth x and in season 5. but the time language is still a useful tool to make sure he never loses any important information.
Darth Bane This entire video is wrong. When eobard fixes flashpoint with Barry, he goes back to the past to relive his 15 year plan to go back to the future as we see in s1. Although, this time eobard knows that he will die to Eddie and Barry and takes precautions in order to live, this time with information. He then assembled his group in legends of tomorrow in order to stop himself from dying using the spear of destiny, although, the black flash absorbs him into the speed force, and he is trapped in there with Barry at the end of s3. After Cisco creates the device to release Barry from the speed force, than manages to escape as well, this time surviving, but later being imprisoned in 2043, effectively setting the plot for s5. Keep in mind that this eobard is still the time remnant from flashpoint.
@Ammon Hansen No. For him, he only lived the 15 years once. Remember, he just came from murdering Barry's mom. He had to go back, in order for the timeline to fix. @kEy NiGht just worded it wrong.
I think that black flash trapped eobard in the speedforce And eobard escaped when Cisco opened the speedforce in s4 to allow Barry to escape When you get erased you glow white/blue - eobard in s1 and Savitar and Nora You get sent to speedforce when you glow orange/yellow- Barry in s2 when he tries to get powers back Wally-s3 when he gets sent to speedforce Eobard when he gets caught by black flash
Dazza G This entire video is wrong, and let me explain... When eobard fixes flashpoint with Barry, he goes back to the past to relive his 15 year plan to go back to the future as we see in s1. Although, this time eobard knows that he will die to Eddie and Barry and takes precautions in order to live, this time with information. He then assembled his group in legends of tomorrow in order to stop himself from dying using the spear of destiny, although, the black flash absorbs him into the speed force, and he is trapped in there with Barry at the end of s3. After Cisco creates the device to release Barry from the speed force, than manages to escape as well, this time surviving, but later being imprisoned in 2043, effectively setting the plot for s5. Keep in mind that this eobard is still the time remnant from flashpoint.
in the legends thawne says that shortly after he was released from the prison in flashpoint he was hunted by black flash. so he wouldn't have had time to play the wheelchair wells role again. the time language telling him about all his different timeline experiences makes the most sense. it's still odd to me though because these time language journals would be like reading someone else's experiences but thawne acts as if he actually remembers all events. it's super trippy
Vary my theory is that after killing Nora Allen he made a time remnant that went on to live through all of season 1 again and then the main RF brings Barry back to 2016 and continues to legends. The reason he is being pursued is because he shouldn’t exist anymore (cause his remnant was erased) and he starts having his memories bleed over from his remnant just like Barry’s during flashpoint.
We didn't got to see what the newspaper actually said, we just got the year, the headline could be changed to "Arrow missing, vanishes in Crisis" now for all we know.
In my opinion it's Seasons: 4-showed barry use more of his powers and his mind 5-heart felt 2-multiverse and more heroes 1-im not saying it's one of the worst, I'm just saying it's not the best 3-too cliché
@@jasan_o3633 that doesn't make sense to me... if he knew that if he killed the flash he could never go home. That means when he went to kill kid Barry he already knew it would be a one way trip if he succeeded. So then why is he so desperate to get to his original time when he gets stranded there?
Question do you think Don could still appear? I mean we know the timeline Nora is from is gone. Plus with Thawne calling Nora Dawn in the hundredth episode most likely means Dawn and Don used to exist. I mean why erase Nora to just bring Nora back, unless a sibling will appear.
Duki Kuki they used to exist. Thawne is from the original timeline where he learned about the flash. We know he wanted to become the flash meaning he learned things about him in the flash museum. Learning about his life. So if thawne called Nora “Dawn” she used to exist including her brother. Meaning that Nora should have never even existed and was just a product of messing up the timeline. Thawne also said “ time Travel is so tricky.” And “At least you still have one.” So since there is a new timeline without Nora chances are we will get Don. Probably Nora and Don now.
RagDoll yea mostly cuz dawn n don were the original children Barry and iris had but bcuz of the changes they had Nora but now that she got erased they’ll have the twins but they’ll use Nora as dawn n bring in a new character for don
I love Reverse Flash and Matt and Tom as the elegant and saturated, respective actors of the role but man, Reverse Flash is that one kid on a garden that keeps changing the rules and is the master and the changer of the seed, cause, effect and results, even when he's not correct, he just slaps everyone and changes the rules yet again
For those who want a simple version thawne is basically a living paradox the only way he can really be killed is by being taken out of the timeline by black flash therefore breaking the paradox
People always complain about how Barry let Thawne get away during Crisis on Earth X. I think the reason why, which is at least implicit in the show and established in Reverse Flash Returns, is that they can never catch him and hold him somewhere without messing up their own timeline--they can stop him from killing people but they have to let him go back to his own time. Also, the reason why him being locked up for fifteen years in 2049 doesn't screw up their timeline is because Barry is gone and everyone has moved on (possibly? The only 2049 version of a character we see is Iris). So, him being locked up doesn't screw up Team Flash's timeline.
One thing I didn't understand is how Cisco started dying because of changes to the timeline. Harry said "This is how he learns your name, this is his origin story", if this is his origin story, then that means that the timeline is going exactly the way it should have, which means that there are no other changes being made to the timeline. So Cisco should have never started dying, which means that Thawne would have been stuck there in the cell.
Maybe the Thawne that came back in Crisis on Erath-X is an anachronism that was caused by the Legends breaking time at the end of Legends S2, I mean if the anachronisms can take Young Martin Stein to meet the Vikings in America and have youg Ray meet a baby Domintaor then they could misplace some version of Eobard before his death into the "Future"
You missed the point that Thawne always returns after his death, starting with the season 1 finale, because he disintegrates into the Negative Speed Force, and as Thawne said in the season 5 finale, the Negative Speed Force is the only place immune to any timelime changes. That is why, he won't really lose his consciousness in it and can always return back whenever he wants to and retain every memory from his time language, unlike the Positive Speed Force in which speedsters disintegrates into pure energy. Now it makes so much sense and just in time when "Crisis on Infinite Earths" is about to happen.
agreed that part makes no sense to me. like why does the affects of the timeline changing only get rid of the dagger at his execution? it should disappear in his past and release him a whole 15 years earlier. but again it's one of countless cases of the writers doing things for dramatic effect rather than for the sake of logic. like when supergirl can carry a 1 million ton spaceship or a submarine no problem but cant hold 2 halves of a cargo plane so lena luther has to climb up so she can drop that half.
@@bafrane1832 maybe it takes time for timeline to consolidate and when Barry and nora go in the future is still the previous timeline. This can be the only explanation
My rating 1.season 1 (my opinion) 2.season 5 3.season 2 4.season 4 5.season 3 (it was a good season but just not as good as season 1,2,5 but i i like it) Favourite wells 1.eobard thawne 2. HR/Sherlock 3.Harry
When Eobard Thawne came back and created a new time-line like Flashpoint Barry eventually forgets about his past Eobard should have forgotten about his timeline
8:24 wouldn't eobard be free even before they "caught him" because the erase of the dagger in the past wouldve had him free or they would've caught him another way and even so, why did the dagger only disappear when eobard was about to die and not another time?
When he is moving so fast that everything else seems to appear at a stand still, it is not new and this always bothered me because theoretically Barry can move so fast that anyone who isn't a speedster should not be a problem regardless of their abilities because they just would never see him coming
U forgot to mention that the Earth X Version of Thawne that runs to 2034 is the Season 1 Version that got erased from existence and not the Legends Version Post Flashpoint
Wait. If they destroyed cicadas dagger in the past, that would result in Eubard never being held in prison, because the dagger would have never been able to hold him in. So technically, it should’ve been a full timeline reset similar to flashpoint because he couldn’t have been held in prison. Thoughts?
i’m still confused can someone explain this please... if Eobard Thawne in the face of wells died/(got erased) in the 23rd episode of season 1 then how is he imprisoned in Nora Allen’s time if he died?
Eobard Thawne is the most accomplished speedster on the tv show. He is the only speedster that has knowingly made a personal speedforce, he is also the only speedster who has time travel with a purpose and has changed the timeline multiple time over without any permanent damage to himself or his plans. He is also the most ruthless, hateful, dangerous, and most manipulative speedster that ever ever ran over 28 mph. He gets an A+ for the best villain on a tv show because no matter how crazy and impossible his plans are, in the long run they usually always work out in his favor. He is one of the only supervillains that have escaped their nemeses indefinitely. Good job Eobard. By the way, he is perfect at making plans and he is the most patient evil person ever. He is the baddest of the bad and yet he hasn’t been captured. He should have been the paragon of evil and hatred during crisis. The only thing that can justify all the evil he has done is death by excruciating torture and eternal abyssal torment, for he shows no remorse for most of his evil deeds and no regard for human life. Crimes of Eobard Thawne- Murder Torture Thievery Manipulation Lies Temporal Crimes Stalking Plagiarism Identity theft Punishment- 20 years on Death Row Death by torture and final disintegration Eternal Abyssal Torment.
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One question.... Thawme said that the negative speed force is immune to timeline changes right. Then how did he end up loosing his speed force back in season 1?
This is late but Savitar cant. Savitar was one of Barry's time remnants that lived. He's basically an evil version of Barry. Savitar then ruined Barry's life by killing Iris and causing Killer Frost to mess up Cisco's hands. But when HR died instead of Iris, the future where Iris died now no longer exists. That caused Savitar to disappear from the timeline because Barry and the team don't end all dismantled. Long story short, Savitar needed Iris to die because he needed Barry to go through hell to turn into Savitar
wait 2151??? that seems way too early, i thought it would be more like 3151, since in like 100 years from present day, they should atleast know when the flash happened, since in one of the episodes eobard said "wait, so this is the time you're from?"
Yea. That works. I agree. I just looked at it as him being outside of the timeline and some weird connections with the Negative Speed Force, but this works better. Thanks again for sharing 😊
Reverse flash is moveing at speeds inorder to make a speed mirage and have an after immage he would move at 5.30x10-40 Power or 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000.533333333333s or a plank instant. Thats Faster than light wicth is 289,000k/s or 669,690,000 mph.
The Reason He’s still alive is all of them are time remnants and another reason is Eobard was always a paradox whatever u did to him he would be still alive
Headache, here we go!
Pretty much. For once my mind wasn't completely destroyed by a flash video.
Sr. Eobard Thawne lol indeed
Seems like I’ve already been here
@@reverseflash5469 hello time remnant
@@reverseflash5469 Even Thawne loses track of his plans.
Fan: So how is Thawne still alive if he's died multiple times?
CW: Yes
@SuGaRlOvErCaNdY the joke or ...
Yes
It’s because the thawne we know is from the OG timeline so that Eobard never got erased that’s why
Kovar: Nothing ever really dies
The one we have seen die is the end of thawnes life, then the other thawnes have been previous versions of that thawne whose time line has now been affected so he can have a new death, this system repeats it self for each new death....
I think...
Thawne can’t resist a good Crisis.
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No he cant Can he
@@alejandrocortes1878 hello time Remnant.
Reverse Flash not time remnant. He is a future version of you who has come back here to meet you! Previous you!
He can't resist my ass
Poor Eddie Thawne. His noble sacrifice was utterly, utterly meaningless.
Douglas Rau should have gotten a vasectomy instead
@@Duni4ever22 lmaooo
That's not true... if he didn't do that then eaobard would have killed team flash
Yes it thane killing himself didnt do what he intended it to but it served a purpose
And forgotten
@@Duni4ever22 What if he just, like.. bought a ticket to fucking Hawaii so that he could never meet RF great great Grandma or whatever and have an entire different set of kids. Or what if he just swore off sex in that singular moment before RF kills barry.
Timeline : *Exists*
Reverse Flash : *I'm gonna end this man's whole career*
Barry Allen: HOLD MY BEER!!
Lol
Savatar: killer Frost cmon we still have to make me god and exist in every moment of every timeline(essentially IMMORTAL!)
Timeline: eh
Also savatar: alrighty so do we use this Splicer...
True
Tom Cavanagh is the best actor in this show by miles
Johnny Gartland joe is really good too. And underrated.
@@keynight7513
Dude does nothing but point his service pistol to every fucking meta.
And yes his big daddy boring pep talks
Matt Letscher is better
God Speed no
Agreed. Tom is amazing ❤
The Reverse Flash Timeline
He was born in 2151, he grew up admiring the flash, it became his idol. He became so obsessed that he replicated the secuence of events that made the flash on himself. He became a speedster himself, just like the flash. After some time, he realized that his destiny was to become the opposite of the flash, a reverse. So he traveled back in time to kill barry, multiple times. Either one of them was strong enough to kill the other. So Eobard traveled back in time to try to find out who the flash actually is. In one of his travels he was successful, and he knew that the flash is CSI Barry Allen. Then, in the crisis of 2024, he went back to the year 2000 to try to kill barry as a kid, but future barry followed him back. They had a fight in the Allen's house. Then, future barry takes his younger self to a safe place. Eobard was so mad, so he proceeded to kill Barry's mother, thinking that a tragedy like that would leave him so traumatized that he would never become the flash. But then, when Eobard tried to run back to his time, he noticed that without the flash, the speedforce left his body and had no way to go back. Knowing that he had to stay it that time for a while, he killed Harrison Wells and took his appearance. He did that so that he could speed up the creation of S.T.A.R. labs and the flash. 15 years later, the particle accelerator exploded, spreading a big wave of dark matter throughout the city. Then, a lightning bolt hit Barry allen in his lab.
With the combination of dark matter and lightning, barry became flash, the fastest man alive. Eobard (with the appearance of Harrison Wells, very known scientist) trained barry allen so that he could be fast enought to send him back to his time. After a year of training and being very close friends with the people at S.T.A.R. labs, barry found out that his idol Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne, was the man who killed his mother. Then eobard told barry that he could go back and save his mother with one condition, he had to send Eobard back to his time. Even though barry was so mad that the man that he had been working with for over a year was actually his biggest enemie and the man who killed his mother, he agreed to send him back.
So he did, he opened a portal and went back to the year 2000 to save his mom and Eobard got in a time sphere to go back to his time. When barry got to the house where his mother was killed, he encountered the future barry that came behind eobard to try to stop him. He told barry to go back so he did. He went back to 2015 before Eobard left and punched the time sphere breaking it in pieces. Eobard was so mad since flash decided not to save his mother. They started to fight. But before eobard killed barry a gunshot was heard. It was eddie thawne, an ancestor of eobard. He killed himself so that Eobard would never exist. Then eobard faded away since he was now erased from existance.
Then, a year later, a timeline remnant of eobard traveled to 2016 to try to find out who the flash really is. This is confusing because he was supposed to be erased out of existance. But since he is from the future, his timeline hasn't started yet, so he can still come back and restart the process all over again. The flash defeated him and locked him up in the pipeline. But that started to affect the timeline. Then the timeline started to affect one of the members of team flash, cisco ramon. Knowing this he gets eobard and throws him back to his time. Then after an evil speedster called Zoom kills Barry's father, barry decides to go back to the year 2000 and stop eobard from killing his mother. Because of that a new timeline was created called Flashpoint. In this timeline, barry grew up with both of his parents and has eobard locked up. After a while, barry starts to loose his memories from the original timeline so he gets eobard and sends him back to 2000 to kill Barry's mom and erase Flashpoint to go back to the original timeline. Then eobard just leaves. After traveling more in time he gets chased by the black flash. Since eddie thawne killed himself, he is no longer supposed to exist, so, he became a paradox. Eventually, black flash catches up to eobard and kills him, erasing him from existance again.
You may think that that is the end of it, but no. He manages to survive being erased off of existance by using the negative speed force to sheild himself. Then, he finds his way over to Earth X and joins overgirl and dark arrow in their invasion of earth 1. After being defeated barry just lets him get away. Then back in earth one, in 2034, 10 years after flash disappeared in the crisis of 2024, eobard gets captured in iron heights. Cicada's dagger was dampening his powers. But then, the 2018 flash with his daughter Nora go back to 2015 to talk to that eobard and have him fix a tool that will dampen cicada's dark matter. After knowing this, eobard elaborated a plan and gained Nora's trust in 2049, a little bit before his death sentence. He told her to do a sequence of events that will get the dagger destroyed. A couple of minutes before Eobard's death sentence, the dagger gets destroyed in 2018 so it doesn't exist anymore in 2049 therefore, Eobard goes free. Then he has a race with 2018 flash and his daughter Nora. After all those changes in the timeline, Nora starts to get eraded out of existance. Then the eobard leaves after telling barry that he'll see him in the next crisis.
Nice congrats how f******* long did that take you
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EmilianoBreadstick thanks
Mad respect, but if the reverse flash who was stuck in flashpoint and hunted by black flash was the one to kill Barry's mother, then how did Barry learn to use his speed cause there was no eobard that got stuck and became Harrison Wells ?
@@peterstafford26 because barry stopped reverse flash from killing his mom , therefore he still had his powers intact , I think Barry Learned how to use his powers because he didnt lose his memories of the ORIGINAL timeline , ( the timeline where barry knew that Reverse flash killed his Mother )
They made reverse flash a better character than barry
Yeah idk if its just how good of an actor Tom is at this point or they make sure they dont mess him up.
Duh. I don't know of a single character that has a time fuck plot as dense as this.
well yes, but actually yes
TheVision Tom really is the best actor on the flash imo thawne really is the greatest character on the show
Alex Persaud So true.
And this is why the Reverse is not the Flash's but one of the best villains ever.
Personally, I hold Eobard Thawne as one of the greatest villains in all of fiction.
@@AvatarWindy i love how he calculates everything. He is a genius, i dont know how barry ever beat him or created gideon because the grant gustin flash needs help just to tie his shoes let alone creating a sentient AI or defeating a speedforce criminal like thawne who created his own speedforce dimension and powers
joshua lee I know, I hated all that “we are the flash Barry” like stfu Iris
Kevin Jones Facts
He’s literally the ultimate villain. He calculates everything and has the means to put it into action. A lot of villains don’t have both
Like what Savitar said in season 3 of The Flash, " See that's the thing about time travel the more you do it. The less the rules apply to you."
That’s the thing about time travel, Barry. The rules in this show? They’re bullshit! 😀
Why does Thawn always wisper/scream, but never talkes normaly...?
Bruh moment
Daniel Kröber The actor is on point.
whispering is way creepier
Probably because barry ruined talking by being emotional xD so being his ‘reverse’ he talks calm in low voice and short booming commanding voice.
That's just how Tom Cavanagh differentiates the different characters he plays
I like how you followed up "Neither one being able to defeat the other with "frustrated with being defeated over and over again"
Flash was able to survive Thawnes attacks, but Flash was never able to contain Thawne.
THIS
Thawne reverse flash can’t resist messing with the timeline always.
No he cant can he.
@@bobafett5764 lol :)
Maybe he and Barry arent so different after all
@@semthijssen lol indeed :)
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There's just an infinite number of Eobard Thawne time remnants bouncing around the multiverse.
Me: thinks i've figured out the flash/reverse flash timeline:
Flash writers: 1:15
xD
Xaxaxaxaxa this kill's me
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KillerGames This entire video wrong, and let me explain. When eobard fixes flashpoint with Barry, he goes back to the past to relive his 15 year plan to go back to the future as we see in s1. Although, this time eobard knows that he will die to Eddie and Barry and takes precautions in order to live, this time with information. He then assembled his group in legends of tomorrow in order to stop himself from dying using the spear of destiny, although, the black flash absorbs him into the speed force, and he is trapped in there with Barry at the end of s3. After Cisco creates the device to release Barry from the speed force, than manages to escape as well, this time surviving, but later being imprisoned in 2043, effectively setting the plot for s5. Keep in mind that this eobard is still the time remnant from flashpoint.
@@keynight7513 no, he cannot relive the 15 years before the events in legends of tomorrow season 2 because he clearly states in the show he's been hunted by the black flash ever since barry released him from the flashpoint prison. meaning he would have no time to play 15 years of harrison wells without the black flash finding him and killing him. he also would be wearing wells' face in legends if he did go through that first. i do however think its possible that this remnant (or any remnant he brought into the legends finale) relived the 15 years after the events of legends season 2, in order to take wells' body and face back. since that's who we see in crisis on earth x and in season 5. but the time language is still a useful tool to make sure he never loses any important information.
You want to know something more confusing than Thawnes timeline?
The fact that this channel has less than 10M Subscribers.
Doesn't deserve so many, tbh.
@@OmniverseTheory shut your mouth
@@OmniverseTheory oh shut it
@Mister Albert wrong
Probably just the topic, its all done really well but we both can admit theres much more popular things to watch
Eobard gets erased twice from existence
*Calls Eddie the one forgotten in history*
😂
Technology he's lost in the future too
Nekminnit Nora comes back
Barry: I SAW YOU DIE !
Nora: Or did you ?
Pls no
Yes come back the only offspring of the Flash 🤧
"Neither one being able to defeat the other"
2 seconds later:
"Frustrated by being defeated over and over again"
the only one question i will like to know is who captured Reverse Flash and place Reverse Flash in prision
Darth Bane This entire video is wrong. When eobard fixes flashpoint with Barry, he goes back to the past to relive his 15 year plan to go back to the future as we see in s1. Although, this time eobard knows that he will die to Eddie and Barry and takes precautions in order to live, this time with information. He then assembled his group in legends of tomorrow in order to stop himself from dying using the spear of destiny, although, the black flash absorbs him into the speed force, and he is trapped in there with Barry at the end of s3. After Cisco creates the device to release Barry from the speed force, than manages to escape as well, this time surviving, but later being imprisoned in 2043, effectively setting the plot for s5. Keep in mind that this eobard is still the time remnant from flashpoint.
@@keynight7513 glad I'm not the only one who saw that theory
@@keynight7513 i think that it's the original Eobard because he was from the speed force.
GTuser the original eobard was erased from existence. That is characterized by a blue aura being released as he is dying instead of an orange aura.
@Ammon Hansen No. For him, he only lived the 15 years once. Remember, he just came from murdering Barry's mom. He had to go back, in order for the timeline to fix. @kEy NiGht just worded it wrong.
Barry when he’s unemployed: Okay class today we’re gonna learn how to fuck up the timeline
Rinza Productions 😂
I think that black flash trapped eobard in the speedforce
And eobard escaped when Cisco opened the speedforce in s4 to allow Barry to escape
When you get erased you glow white/blue - eobard in s1 and Savitar and Nora
You get sent to speedforce when you glow orange/yellow- Barry in s2 when he tries to get powers back
Wally-s3 when he gets sent to speedforce
Eobard when he gets caught by black flash
You have the third eye
That could actually make sense. Specially with the explication to how he kept his memory through the timeline changes.
MastarNinja we also see coffee rise from a cup when Barry escapes the speedforce
Liquid rises when reverse flash is near
MastarNinja also Barry comes out writing the speedforce language
The only other person to write that is thawne
Dazza G This entire video is wrong, and let me explain... When eobard fixes flashpoint with Barry, he goes back to the past to relive his 15 year plan to go back to the future as we see in s1. Although, this time eobard knows that he will die to Eddie and Barry and takes precautions in order to live, this time with information. He then assembled his group in legends of tomorrow in order to stop himself from dying using the spear of destiny, although, the black flash absorbs him into the speed force, and he is trapped in there with Barry at the end of s3. After Cisco creates the device to release Barry from the speed force, than manages to escape as well, this time surviving, but later being imprisoned in 2043, effectively setting the plot for s5. Keep in mind that this eobard is still the time remnant from flashpoint.
At 9:50 in this video and on the Flash season 5 finally he kinda sounds like Oliver Queen
Gage Van Nuys frrrrr
He does know how to manipulate time the only one even zoom and savitar failed we all know barry and nora failed there too lol.
"I only did what I had to do. Nothing more. Nothing less."
You deserve atleast 2million subscribers
Kasperi Pohjamies more like 20million
@@bobekryant4231 20 subscribers?
Wait what he doesnt?
Yup
When the black flash “killed” him, the black flash actually sent him into the Speed Force, but when Barry got out of the speed force so did Eobard.
ACG x vSawyer that explains why when he was erased dat the well, particles of Thawne were orange instead of blue. Nice theory!
9:13 I now I see how nora ( dawn) will remember the past timeline because of her journal when she does come back.
I think that is a reverse time Hack Booooom
If Nora was erased in this timeline. Then her diary should've been also..
@@cathalmcwilliams3033 thats the joke, apparently writing speedforce language on an object protects it from erasure?!?
Silver Hetch ohh is that why Nora’s diary still existed in the past even after she got erased ? 🤣
cathal mcwilliams it wasn’t erased because of the time language written in it
I believe that after flashpoint, eobard lived through season one again, but at the end he ran into the negative speed force.
in the legends thawne says that shortly after he was released from the prison in flashpoint he was hunted by black flash. so he wouldn't have had time to play the wheelchair wells role again. the time language telling him about all his different timeline experiences makes the most sense. it's still odd to me though because these time language journals would be like reading someone else's experiences but thawne acts as if he actually remembers all events. it's super trippy
Vary I feel that once he reads the book, he gets an EXTREME sense of deja vu as he remembers everything from the previous timeline.
This could be the only one correct explanation
Isn't the negative speed force the only thing that keeps you from getting erased from time.
Vary my theory is that after killing Nora Allen he made a time remnant that went on to live through all of season 1 again and then the main RF brings Barry back to 2016 and continues to legends. The reason he is being pursued is because he shouldn’t exist anymore (cause his remnant was erased) and he starts having his memories bleed over from his remnant just like Barry’s during flashpoint.
1x01: Flash Missing, Vanished in Crisis 2024
5x22: See you in our next Crisis..... -RF
Also 5x22: Flash Missing, Vanished in Crisis 2019.....
We didn't got to see what the newspaper actually said, we just got the year, the headline could be changed to "Arrow missing, vanishes in Crisis" now for all we know.
@JavozREKZ / REKZboss i didnt say you didnt realise
@@Dhruv-qw7jf but the text change a little but still it said the flash vanished in the article
@JavozREKZ / REKZboss if you watch closely you will see the article changed, for example now it includes batwoman
@Dezel Doherty did i force you to read it and answer it?
I really like the way you present it
First reply on verified account lol
I gave up trying to figure out Eobard's timeline when the "crisis on earth-X" crossover happened.
it's yet to happen
@@tgaw9659 huh?
@@tgaw9659 no no, crisis on earth x already happened. You're thinking about Crisis (or Crisis on Infinite Earths)
@@pandapan1329 oh yeah I meant crisis on infinite earths sorry didn't pay attention
yeah !! how does he return back in crisis x ??
Barry:i watched you died...
Eobart:are you sure about that
Eobard
Iris doesn't care about eobard working with nora even though he's the reason eddie died like seriously what the hell
Jobo the psycho ikr
Iris is the definition of a peabrain
i am the only speedster that can manipulate the timeline to get what i want
see u in the next crisis Flah
Aslam Bakar *F L A H*
Flash, it's flash!
flah
My rating of the show.
1.Season 1
2.Season 2
3.Season 5
4.Season 4
5.Season 3
Cool video.
@F I didn't, this is still a cool video.
back up u think s4 is better than s3?
@@backup-qg6nb how would you know?
In my opinion it's
Seasons:
4-showed barry use more of his powers and his mind
5-heart felt
2-multiverse and more heroes
1-im not saying it's one of the worst, I'm just saying it's not the best
3-too cliché
My rating of the show.
1. Season 1 9/10
2. Season 2 9/10
3. Season 3. 6/10
4. Season 5. 3/10
5. Season 4. 2/10
2:22
"Neither one being able to defeat the other"
2:25
"Frustrated by being defeated over and over again"
Anyone else a little confused here?
They both can never actually kill each other because rf can just keep coming back and if flash dies,rf wont be able to go home.
@@jasan_o3633 that doesn't make sense to me... if he knew that if he killed the flash he could never go home. That means when he went to kill kid Barry he already knew it would be a one way trip if he succeeded. So then why is he so desperate to get to his original time when he gets stranded there?
Question do you think Don could still appear? I mean we know the timeline Nora is from is gone. Plus with Thawne calling Nora Dawn in the hundredth episode most likely means Dawn and Don used to exist. I mean why erase Nora to just bring Nora back, unless a sibling will appear.
They didn't use to exist they were supposed to exist but didn't or arn't going to because of the timeline change.
Duki Kuki they used to exist. Thawne is from the original timeline where he learned about the flash. We know he wanted to become the flash meaning he learned things about him in the flash museum. Learning about his life. So if thawne called Nora “Dawn” she used to exist including her brother. Meaning that Nora should have never even existed and was just a product of messing up the timeline. Thawne also said “ time Travel is so tricky.” And “At least you still have one.” So since there is a new timeline without Nora chances are we will get Don. Probably Nora and Don now.
Duki Kuki Well?
RagDoll yea mostly cuz dawn n don were the original children Barry and iris had but bcuz of the changes they had Nora but now that she got erased they’ll have the twins but they’ll use Nora as dawn n bring in a new character for don
I think u mean the tornado twins 🌪 Dawn. But yeah I think so.
I love Reverse Flash and Matt and Tom as the elegant and saturated, respective actors of the role but man, Reverse Flash is that one kid on a garden that keeps changing the rules and is the master and the changer of the seed, cause, effect and results, even when he's not correct, he just slaps everyone and changes the rules yet again
Reverse Flash TV Show would be so insane! We need to make this happen
Thank you. I never thought about the book.
Can you do a video explaining Nora getting erased?
Adrik Gangopadhyay crisis is happening earlier meaning that flash didn’t survive so Nora was never born
@@emerson3539 thanks Lucid. I had a confusion. Thank you again!
@@emerson3539 😀😀
DC that literally has nothing to do with Nora getting erased
DC Nora was erased because they erased cicadas dagger which was apart of Noras future which erased her creating another version of her
For those who want a simple version thawne is basically a living paradox the only way he can really be killed is by being taken out of the timeline by black flash therefore breaking the paradox
Finally a video about it....i am asking this since the episode 1
When he got erased in Legends S2, he made a bunch of remnants. Maybe he created one more and sent him to the speed force!
Love this show so much, and the Reverse Flash timeline is something that interests me a lot.
Especially in this last season, Arrow was right, the flash fr can't go 9 hours without a damn pep talk.
People always complain about how Barry let Thawne get away during Crisis on Earth X. I think the reason why, which is at least implicit in the show and established in Reverse Flash Returns, is that they can never catch him and hold him somewhere without messing up their own timeline--they can stop him from killing people but they have to let him go back to his own time.
Also, the reason why him being locked up for fifteen years in 2049 doesn't screw up their timeline is because Barry is gone and everyone has moved on (possibly? The only 2049 version of a character we see is Iris). So, him being locked up doesn't screw up Team Flash's timeline.
This channel deserves at lease 1 mil subs
One thing I didn't understand is how Cisco started dying because of changes to the timeline. Harry said "This is how he learns your name, this is his origin story", if this is his origin story, then that means that the timeline is going exactly the way it should have, which means that there are no other changes being made to the timeline. So Cisco should have never started dying, which means that Thawne would have been stuck there in the cell.
I love your videos they get straight to the point on common discussed topics
The new blame to take on the CW's flash:TheNegativeSpeedForce
Maybe the Thawne that came back in Crisis on Erath-X is an anachronism that was caused by the Legends breaking time at the end of Legends S2, I mean if the anachronisms can take Young Martin Stein to meet the Vikings in America and have youg Ray meet a baby Domintaor then they could misplace some version of Eobard before his death into the "Future"
You missed the point that Thawne always returns after his death, starting with the season 1 finale, because he disintegrates into the Negative Speed Force, and as Thawne said in the season 5 finale, the Negative Speed Force is the only place immune to any timelime changes. That is why, he won't really lose his consciousness in it and can always return back whenever he wants to and retain every memory from his time language, unlike the Positive Speed Force in which speedsters disintegrates into pure energy. Now it makes so much sense and just in time when "Crisis on Infinite Earths" is about to happen.
Finally. A brave someone decides to even attempt to explain this headache.
The butterfly effect, when they destroyed cicadas dagger a lot of things should've changed in the future, like how the rf got caught in iron heights.
agreed that part makes no sense to me. like why does the affects of the timeline changing only get rid of the dagger at his execution? it should disappear in his past and release him a whole 15 years earlier. but again it's one of countless cases of the writers doing things for dramatic effect rather than for the sake of logic. like when supergirl can carry a 1 million ton spaceship or a submarine no problem but cant hold 2 halves of a cargo plane so lena luther has to climb up so she can drop that half.
@@Vary180 thank you
@@Vary180 oh shit thats so true (about him being released 15 years earlier) didnt even think about that...
@@bafrane1832 maybe it takes time for timeline to consolidate and when Barry and nora go in the future is still the previous timeline. This can be the only explanation
@@elmago1379 yeaah its gotta be. Super good point by you 👏🏽😯
"See you in the next Crisis, Flash."
We never saw him in Crisis on Infinite Earths
I love how you said they can’t defeat each other, then said “after being defeat over and over again”
Oh yeah 😂
He was probably referring to just Barry. Bruh this a 6v1
but then there are the other times.. yeah
thawne probably sees his failure to defeat barry as a loss in itself
This was such a good explanation! Literally my questions where answered! Thank you!
So in other words
Negative speed force makes u practically immortal
Thanks for that! This has been killing me for months.
My boy Cisco is gone and I’m sad. Do a history on him
Cisco isn't leaving the show
Your one of the best comic youtubers
Dude make predictions on crisis on infinite earths
@KIRA - where is that lol
“Neither could defeat each other. Tired of getting defeated...”
My rating
1.season 1 (my opinion)
2.season 5
3.season 2
4.season 4
5.season 3 (it was a good season but just not as good as season 1,2,5 but i i like it)
Favourite wells
1.eobard thawne
2. HR/Sherlock
3.Harry
I like the German Vells. *in German accent* “He doesn’t know! He doesn’t know!”
1:12 "Hey, Flash, Barry here. I watched you die."
"Or did you"
Reverse flash is the flash but HE USED THE REVERSE UNO CARD :O
When Eobard Thawne came back and created a new time-line like Flashpoint Barry eventually forgets about his past Eobard should have forgotten about his timeline
Am I the only one who lived season 4? Ralph is the best character
Silly Boy Ralph is the best
8:24 wouldn't eobard be free even before they "caught him" because the erase of the dagger in the past wouldve had him free or they would've caught him another way and even so, why did the dagger only disappear when eobard was about to die and not another time?
Can you talk about how Barry LITERALLY stopped time when he got that boost fighting cicada?
When he is moving so fast that everything else seems to appear at a stand still, it is not new and this always bothered me because theoretically Barry can move so fast that anyone who isn't a speedster should not be a problem regardless of their abilities because they just would never see him coming
Me trying to figure out how Reverse Flash is still alive: *dial-up noises*
Thank you for the explanation🙂
huh i was watching this to prepare for the up coming season and just realized this was uploaded on my birthday .ps love the channel
Who here completely forgot half of this and is getting a headache from hearing him explain
Great explanation! You explained it quite well! I've always loved Thawn and I really hope he has a way bigger role in season 6.
U forgot to mention that the Earth X Version of Thawne that runs to 2034 is the Season 1 Version that got erased from existence and not the Legends Version Post Flashpoint
You are confusing me more
Wait. If they destroyed cicadas dagger in the past, that would result in Eubard never being held in prison, because the dagger would have never been able to hold him in. So technically, it should’ve been a full timeline reset similar to flashpoint because he couldn’t have been held in prison.
Thoughts?
Josh K Exactly what I’m thinking
i’m still confused can someone explain this please... if Eobard Thawne in the face of wells died/(got erased) in the 23rd episode of season 1 then how is he imprisoned in Nora Allen’s time if he died?
Love how in season 1 he says “not like I want a museum built in my name”
Little did he know 20 years later there would be a museum built in his name
I love the Reverse Flash's suit but does anybody else think he due for costume change? Like Barry has had like 4 different costumes now!!
Yeah. Lol . Plus reverse flash’s suit always looks a little dirty to over used lol
Eobard Thawne is the most accomplished speedster on the tv show. He is the only speedster that has knowingly made a personal speedforce, he is also the only speedster who has time travel with a purpose and has changed the timeline multiple time over without any permanent damage to himself or his plans. He is also the most ruthless, hateful, dangerous, and most manipulative speedster that ever ever ran over 28 mph. He gets an A+ for the best villain on a tv show because no matter how crazy and impossible his plans are, in the long run they usually always work out in his favor. He is one of the only supervillains that have escaped their nemeses indefinitely. Good job Eobard. By the way, he is perfect at making plans and he is the most patient evil person ever. He is the baddest of the bad and yet he hasn’t been captured. He should have been the paragon of evil and hatred during crisis. The only thing that can justify all the evil he has done is death by excruciating torture and eternal abyssal torment, for he shows no remorse for most of his evil deeds and no regard for human life.
Crimes of Eobard Thawne-
Murder
Torture
Thievery
Manipulation
Lies
Temporal Crimes
Stalking
Plagiarism
Identity theft
Punishment-
20 years on Death Row
Death by torture and final disintegration
Eternal Abyssal Torment.
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This Truly was an Awesome Video for Eobard Thawne/The Reverse Flash My All Time Favorite Antagonist’s in The Entire Arrowverse and My All Time Favorite Version of Eobard Thawne/The Reverse Flash in DC Media.
I understand how he is alive in season 5 but how was he alive for season 4 crisis on earth x
who knows.
I don't even think CW knows.
@@cameronbaker97 😂😂😂 they put so much bullshit in that it all confused them
“I am the one thing you CANNOT stop Flash” this line aged quite *literally*
Why doesn’t bary notice people doing a speed mirage it doesn’t make sense since he processes stuff way faster
This show gives us the best reverse flash ever with a fun to learn timeline and a great role by Tom Cavaghna and his spanning plan is also great
One question.... Thawme said that the negative speed force is immune to timeline changes right. Then how did he end up loosing his speed force back in season 1?
Beacuse that before he create his negative speedforce
Hey your channel is really great I love the flash and enjoy watching your vids, keep up the awesome work!
Reverse flash got erased from existence. And he's still alive. Can savitar come back? He got erased but can he come back again?
This is late but Savitar cant. Savitar was one of Barry's time remnants that lived. He's basically an evil version of Barry. Savitar then ruined Barry's life by killing Iris and causing Killer Frost to mess up Cisco's hands. But when HR died instead of Iris, the future where Iris died now no longer exists. That caused Savitar to disappear from the timeline because Barry and the team don't end all dismantled. Long story short, Savitar needed Iris to die because he needed Barry to go through hell to turn into Savitar
wait 2151??? that seems way too early, i thought it would be more like 3151, since in like 100 years from present day, they should atleast know when the flash happened, since in one of the episodes eobard said "wait, so this is the time you're from?"
Negative Speed Force get him a invulnerability for Timeline
How tf does that work
@@letswait30days IT's different of the PURE Speed Force of the others speedsters
Yea. That works. I agree. I just looked at it as him being outside of the timeline and some weird connections with the Negative Speed Force, but this works better. Thanks again for sharing 😊
Need zoom back!! Dammit 52 earths!!
Wonderful video!
It sucks though that Reverse Flash wasn't in "Crisis on Infinite Earths" like we all wanted and expected him to be.
How fast is reverse flash in 5x22?
Faster than cicada
as fast as Barry
Reverse flash is moveing at speeds inorder to make a speed mirage and have an after immage he would move at 5.30x10-40 Power or 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000.533333333333s or a plank instant. Thats Faster than light wicth is 289,000k/s or 669,690,000 mph.
Barry is Near that speed aswell to keep up with him. And nora is to obviously.
Reverse Flash it’s not s speed mirage it’s gods speeds ability from the comis
The Reason He’s still alive is all of them are time remnants
and another reason is Eobard was always a paradox whatever u did to him he would be still alive
so Eddie died for no reason
no one:
Eobard Thawne: I'm alive but I'm dead