I gotta say Phil, I've gotten really used to the Tuesday and Friday videos over the past year. It's my weekly youtube highlights, and I truly look forward too them. But like you said last week, you gotta put mental health first. Breaking your (normally huge and generously content packed) videos into two parts like this is just as satisfying, and still gives us that weekly phill fix. You introduced me to a desperately needed diversion at a really difficult time in my life, when a hobby was desperately needed. Thanks!
Phil is the real deal - great content for the sensible tech enthusiast who isn't dumb enough to spend $1000s of dollars on the latest tech upgrade that only offer marginal upgrades on the offerings of yesteryear xD These Xeon packages (x58, x79 and x99) offer great productivity and workstation value.
Was going to post this. He covers the platform at length with overclocking. High 900's on Cinabench, but the 500+ watt draw sure gets the meter spinning.
I love seeing these unique pieces made for older hardware, especially in 2020. Keep up the great content(and BIG thanks for all your help with DOS/RetroPC setup via here, your website, and VOGONS)!
This is looking promissing, X58 vs X79 chinese mobo comparisons incoming! I actually managed to grab an Asus P6T Deluxe with a I7 920 and 8GB DDR3 RAM for 75€ (60€ +15€ shipping), and on eBay of all places! My X5675 arrived yesterday, I believe it is time for some old school overclocking!
@@h2oaddict28 firsth thing I did after booting it up to see if it was faulty or not. The poor North Bridge didn't have thermal paste anymore, it was more like thermal cement.
Nice score, found a similar deal back in 2016 for and i5 2500k ram and mobo combo, tempted to find the equivalent around a Xeon but just quickly checking the passmark even a ryzen 1600 is twice as fast as that Xeon but its $220 (140 euro), which is sort of what id like to spend on the whole ram+mobo+cpu. But if you could find that ryzen used for $100, youre almost there, still not as cheap as the Xeon setup, but for twice the performance is it worth it? Not any easy choice.
@@h2oaddict28 Yeah thats a little better, but checking the gaming performance vs the xeon @ 4.5ghz its pretty much the same as the ryzen 1600, a few % slower, more slower in other things but not twice the speed as passmark would suggest. Im assuming the 1700 is similar. So the xeon is still a good cpu, and at the price probably a better deal for a minimalist gaming rig with a GPU that isnt bottlenecked by it. But overall a tad slower and older and hotter so theres that, but at half the cost, you can see its starting to look good from the other end too.
The X58 1366 platform was my PC after I got employed back then. I spent the first two months salaries to build it. Though its cost was nicely depreciated between me and later my younger sibling over the past decade. If I remember also, it was the last platform with ability to overclock the base clock generator, which was moved into cpu and locked for subsequent generation.
It's refreshing to see innovation not always pushed towards the bleeding edge of technology . We have a robust computer ecosystem with tons of hardware that's more than adequate. The manufacture than can reproduce boards and parts for these older systems (even with some improvements) will have a life time of profits. As long as the boehmeths don't force them out of business. Thanks for your research and contributions to this community. Great work as always.
X58 is the platform i moved to nearly 2 years ago for all my gaming needs. Before that i was still using Core2Quads. I have an ASUS P6X58D-E MOBO with 16GB ram, an X5675 Xeon overclocked to 4.5Ghz on all cores. The cpu scores 1020 on CinebenchR15. All this and an RTX2060 Super handles anything i throw at it. My next upgrade will be X79 platform but i reakon that wont be for another 5 years, maybe more.
I will always tune to your vids no matter the release schedule. Stay healthy and maintain your well being. You're the king at this style of tech content. Stay well, Phil!
I'm in the process of finishing my i7-970 build. Due to many issues, waiting for parts. Having to spend more on PSU because the received one didn't work, so will have to sell at a higher price. Assuming all works, the finished build will be: - Cooler Master Storm Sniper ATX "Mid Tower" Case (sized like full) - (LGA1366) Intel Core i7-970 6-Cores 12-Threads CPU (cheapest 6-core, had to buy i7-920, cheapest i7, because didn't know if PSU was problem or BIOS version support, will sell separately after) - (LGA1366) ASUS P6T ATX MB - (LGA1366) Cooler Master V8 Cooler (Arctic MX-4 applied) - 200mm Front Fan, 200mm Top Fan, 120mm Back Fan - (PCIE 3.0 x16) AMD Radeon R9 290 4GB GDDR5 GPU - (USB 3>USB 2 Header) PNY 480GB SSD (don't ask) - (SATA 2) Samsung 500GB 7200RPM HDD - 24GB (6x4G) DDR3 1600MHz Non-ECC SDRAM - (IDE) DVD Burner (don't ask) - (ATX 12V/EPS 12V) COOLMAX ZX-700 700W 80 Plus Active PFC PSU (don't ask)
thanks to Phil's other videos on the X58, I went ahead and bought a $42.00 US Supermicro X58 motherboard w/ the LGA 1366 socket. All went well, but you need to make sure your Northbridge heat sink is properly installed. Noticed the IO hub gets up to 100 C if not careful. I almost toasted the board and let it set on the shelf for 2 weeks (no post due to heat!), luckily I installed a heatsink w/ fan for that chip. Board finally posted but I was worried, I wasted $50 dollars. but fan helped big time and temps now range about 58 C for the Northbridge. Nice board updated bios to rev2 and runs quite well with a Xeon x5660. (witch only cost $10 US) But cannot overclock so eventually this computer will be my workstation for video editing, but the Huananzhi looks promising especially in a smaller board of micro ATX size. X58 rules and is the affordable chip set.
Hi Phil. Could you please validate if the motherboard supports booting from an NVMe drive through a PCI-E adapter? I know that the speed will be limited to PCI-E 2.0, but still.
Great vlog Phil. I have 3 Asus lga 1366 setups with Xeon X5650 cpus in them. They are overclockable. The Triple channel ram is a bonus and they all run fine. Looking forward to seeing the bundle vlog next week. Love the reviews of different systems. Cheers, Mon from Brisbane.
A few days ago I anked you about some new x79 videos (with a 2696 v2 for example) BUT THIS VIDEO IS EVEN BETTER! I WAS HOPING TO FIND SOMEONE TO REVIEW SUAH A COMBO! THANKS A LOT FOR READING MY MIND EVERY TIME YOU PUT A NEW VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to your videos on these types of recycled motherboards and cheap XEONS I was finally able to build my first pc a month ago! I was lucky enough to snag a LGA 1356 motherboard, e5 2420 and 8gb of ram for only $80 CA! Thanks Phil! Edit: Grammer
I was waiting for this video :D I personaly run a X5690 at 4.2ghz oc from 3.4ghz stock with 24gb ram. I bought 6x8gb server dimms and they didnt work in my currant board but this could be a good replacement if my Rampage ii Extreme died
Dell Precision T5500 with Dual x5675 + 9*8GB DDR3-ECC for the win! $110 for base T5500 Riser for $70 2 Xeons for $45 72GB of ram from local data storage/PC repair shops - $100
Damn, I just wanted to find a review on this motherboard, and you released this video)) Also it would be interesting to se how sli/crossfire works with chinese motherboards
I think that X58 is still viable even in 2020. I am running an X58 Dell Workstation with 2x x5675s in it and it is running great. Maybe AliExpress might have dual CPU motherboards for x58 for a bit more coinage because it might be interesting to see a dual CPU setup because thanks to the rise of Ryzen Microsoft has really optimized Windows 10 for dual CPU configurations considering Zen with some of their CPUs have dual CCXs which is like having 2 separate CPUs on 1 chip.
This would pair so nicely with a x5675 as there super cheap here in the US. Really looking at this as a budget streaming/server PC! Thanks so much Phil
I like these boards because they're different than the usual gamerz type motherboards we see - the design here is no-nonsense with few extra frills, and the frills like the neon green slots are just a color choice instead of a baroque over-designed (and possible less functional) VRM heatsink.
I have a Gigabyte X58-UD4P from whenever the i7 920 was released.. still going strong but SUCH a power hog. I slapped a W3690 in it and it used even more so for now it's in a cupboard awaiting its fate
@@philscomputerlab Yes it's quite horrendous.. actually I'm giving up on 1366.. I need to find someway to sell it and get an asus PN50 instead. End goal is a home server for all my stuff
@@gabrielecarbone8235 been there but the gains are marginal compared to just selling and getting some ryzen mini pc with a ultra low power cpu that actually is heaps faster than the nehalem cpus
Honestly, it's probably time to move on from X58 in 2020 as your main system, but they're still worth keeping around as a back-up system. I rescued a workstation X58 motherboard and i7-960 from the recycling bin at my work. It came with 12GB of RAM (go figure), and I also got several 2TB mechanical hard drives and two Quadro video cards with it as well. I was able to assemble a whole spare system with an old Antec case and power supply I had laying around.
IIRC, when tested, SATA 2 does not perform worse than SATA 3 for boot times or application load times. Other use cases may vary. Looks like marketing - a bigger number = better.
It depends what drive you use it with, and whether your CPU and RAM are fast enough to process the data quickly. SATA 3 should make a big difference over SATA 2 in most setups with an SSD.
That VRM fan where the Northbridge chip used to be looks like it may pose some clearance issues for a video card. Pretty cool though, i like how Chinese engineers are finding innovated ways to reuse old components
It's time to watch philslabcomputer's another video! Yesterday I was satisfied with my system because OCCT saying that I have 2 channel memory at least. Its memory test always crashes after 5 seconds but with no problem to run the system strange haha.
No relation to the video but I found a cheap 1600x/b450/16gb combo for ~150usd. Slapped that in a spare tecware nexus case I had along with an RX580 and it's a great 1080p machine. Gave it away to my younger cousin for his school stuff since he's studying from home.
To bad it doesnt overclock. I have an old PC built from bits I rescued at work with a Xeon X5670 over clocked to 4.5GHz using a gigabyte board and 12GB DDR3 RAM. Runs rather well.
@@tubularmonkeymaniac unfortunately dont have one lying around, I saved all the other bits from ewaste, so a freeby. Though Im surprised how well these old chips overclock and run stable, of course with a better cooler than the stock intel one.
Pretty cool, perfect for someone who has a failed motherboard and available cpu / memory etc but i noticed CP was only $25 The board price went up but by around $5 no big deal. Looks like fully loaded with use ram , cpu , GTX760 is @ $200 USD ( the video card is worth 50% if this bundle ) Regards George
I was thinking of buying this one recently. Decent pricing but the product description of the seller lacks and the image quality is bad. Now it's clear that it doesn't have M.2 slot. Thanks for this review.
Very interesting. That board shows some thoughtful design. Nice to see the quality coming up. Are any of these outfits making a dual LGA1366? If I could find one with four RAM slots, my life would be complete (and my parts pile would be smaller).
Still blows my mind how post codes, built in speaker, and power/reset on a board cost so much that only $60 Chinese boards and $200+ name brand boards can afford to have them.
CPUs with unlocked multiplier should be overcklockable via Intel XTU, but not sure. E.g. W3680, W3690. I hear some rumors about a program on some Russian site allowing OC on Chinese boards, but didn't find it
That mini fan, I think it is 3.5 cm, becomes loud in a few weeks working 24 hours/day. I took it away until I realize It's the same size raspberry pi fans... so I bought one and it keep working for a few month... yeah!
Yes they really should have a heatsink on the chip and for backup or to run sure cool the fan on top of the heatsink - like a 486 / early Pentium 1 I think they just use off the shelf option This is why name brands actually work 24/7 with no problems, you dont need 100% tech or speed, but they run 100% reliably 24/7
I do like to see these types of videos. I think the X58 or LGA 1366 platform is good for a specialized PC running Windows XP or even Windows 7 for games made in the early 2000's through the early 2010's. That being said it is time to move on to something newer if your intent is to use it as a daily driver PC or to play current games. Yes, it can play many newer games to a certain extent but probably won't be able to do so for much longer. Plus the amount of power most LGA 1366 chips & the chipset use is quite a bit higher than most current day CPUs & chipsets. For those on a super tight budget a Ryzen 3100 CPU & A520 chipset board would be faster at tasks than many of the 1366 chips, use less power doing so and give you current day tech like USB 3.2 Gen2 support, SATA 3, M.2 and so on. You might not have as many CPU cores or threads available but the ones that you do have will have higher IPC than any of the 1366 chips. Not to mention a full BIOS and support for future CPUs.
the w3680 is 35 to 40 and is fully unlocked and is a nice chip :) the x5675 is the bvest bang for the buck overclocker its 95 watt and has a great die so it ocs like a beast
That thing with a X5670, 12 GB DDR3-1600 and a GTX 780 Ti SLI would be like some really impressive XP overkill build. Or a 2700K on a Z68 board to get the fastest thing you get drivers for XP for.
I believe I have bought an unlocked CPU. I should be able to deactivate cores, and OC it to 4 GHz or so. But you can do the same thing with X79 as well :)
afaik the X58 platform could still be easily overclocked over the FSB/BCLK, and nehalem tends to like odd multipliers. Saw quite a few i7-920/Xeon X5650 that went easily past 4 GHz, but after that it gets tight.
Still using a x58 platform as my secondary pc and I love it. Gigabyte X58 UD3R+X5650@3.8Ghz ( can go higher but 3.8ghz is just fine for my needs and power/temps )+ Intel E97381 tower cooler +12Gb DDR3@1900mhz in triple channel and a Sapphire RX470 4Gb Nitro gpu. It performs the same in apps at 3.8ghz as my i7-4770k@4.2Ghz.
All these old xeons getting put to use it pretty funny to me actually. I work at a recycling center as a reseller. Glad to say I've put at least a hundred of these CPU's back in circulation
I still run my X58 board with an i7 930 cpu. I run Windows 7 due to the fact i have an Auzentech 7.1 Prelude which had the X-FI chipset licensed from Creative. Love that card, no official drivers for the latest version of windows 10. last video card i bought for that system was an nVidia GTX 680.
I was waiting for this video :D I personaly run a X5690 at 4.2ghz oc from 3.4ghz stock with 24gb ram. I bought 6x8gb server dimms and they didnt work in my currant board but this could be a good replacement if my Rampage ii Extreme
You'd probably be better off going for X79 or X99, as they're not much more expensive, but are faster and more efficient, have more cores, and support quad-channel memory at higher memory frequencies, which helps a lot with moving data around (i.e. the sort of thing you need to do a lot of on a gaming server). Something like a 2689, 2650V2, or 2620V3 bundle from Aliexpress with 16-32GB of RAM might be good options if you're looking for a combined CPU + Motherboard + Ram cost of around £160/€175/$200. The E5 2678 V3 is also a good option for about £80/$100 more than that (once you include the extra cost of the better motherboard and RAM), with 12 cores, faster memory support, and better clock speeds (if you use the turbo unlock hack). It really depends on exactly what your standard for "cheap" is, how many people you want to be able to use the server, and how smooth and fast an experience you're targeting. If you want to host for more than about 20 people and your total system budget is around £400/$500, I'd go for the 2678 V3. If your budget is around £200/$250 or if you only want to host for 5-10 people, an X58 system would be fine. For somewhere in the middle, X79 or a turbo-unlocked 2620V3 is probably best.
Yes! Bonus video! Thanks Phil, very interesting platform. But wait, with the i7 you need to use ecc memory and with the xeon you don't? That's a funny plot twist. I love that they put in a PCI slot, good for old soundcards and capture cards. A question I would have is how it runs Ubisoft games, we know those are picky. Thanks again.
You can overclock with those board using setFSB, but without voltage and proper ram ratio/timing control you won't get further than 147-150 fsb (pretty much 10-15% gain). I used this kind of board for 6 month, it's decent, usb3 is a bit slow to detect devices but other than that it's stable, paired with an rx470 and 16gb of ram you can play basically every games. You'd be better with an x79/x99 setup tho, they are just a tad more expensive but perform so much better.
Not bad, but, theres is "X79A" 1356 motherboard for around 40US$ and E5-2420v2 for around 8US$ on AliExpress, so, with 60~75US$ of that X58, you can build an entire 1356 Kit with almost 16GB ECC DDR3...
The E5 2640 V2 is an LGA2011 CPU, not LGA1356. The E5 2440 V2 is a similar CPU that works with the X79A LGA 1356 socket, but clocked 100MHz lower than the 2640 V2, and I can't find it for sale anywhere on Aliexpress. Both CPUs are awful because their maximum clock is only 2.5/2.4GHz - they're cheap because they're terrible. You would be much better off getting a CPU with higher clocks, on either X58 or LGA 2011.
@@nathangamble125 Sorry, I attempted describe the E5-2420v2 not E5-2640v2, but I was drunk earlier, edited, thank you for correct me, also, they are not bad, I have an E5-2470v2 actually, but also have that E5-2420v2, and they can run almost all the actual games at 60fps, X58 don't have AVX instruction and almost all the new games are launching demanding that, about wich is better, guess an X5650 stock isn't better than E5-2420v2, you need to make a good overclock at 4.0GHz+ to make it better, but, the cheap chinese motherboards aren't good for overclock, and you will need a good CPU cooler to handle that overclock, in resume, more and more money killing the purpose of stay cheap, if it's needed to spend around 200US$ on a X58/X79/X99 Kit like that, guess it is smarter to go AM4 Kit with a Ryzen 2600 or 1700 Pro...
Can it boot from an M.2 drive in an adapter in one of the PCIe slots? It would be interesting if the manufacturer included support for that in the BIOS.
Hi, the Xeon's and chipset both support intel VT-d but can you let us know if this can be enabled in the bios? This would make a great virtualization machine if so.
i've got an x79 board and after a week exploded. and the seller didn't want to refound me in any way. i'm not gonna buy theese chinese motherboard ever again.
I recently found out that Win XP automatic updates are no longer working because of sha2 encryption which is a big bummer for me. I kinda liked installing xp on a freshly build retro system an having the luxury of automatic updates. Do you update your systems Phil after you did a fresh new XP install?
Sorry for not compressing everything i have to say in just only one message; but anyway, I HAVE A SUGGESTION... try booting into windows from a pcie sata card (with sata 3 controller) or a pcie to m2 nvme: just to check if we can skip the onboard sata2 port... hope my request is" undestandable" Thanks in advance even if you can't follow my suggestion. Can't wait to see the full review...
Just fitted a 10 year old NEVER OPENED/used X56 mobo. Was just chilling in the back of our PC shop. lol Its a GYGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R . Have fitted an Xenon X5680 cpu . But would it be better to fit a W3680 instead though?
would you recommend a b75 board from ali express fornmy 3770.I heard those boards dont support tubro boost and the fan speeds are at 100% all the time?
Hi Phil, It would be of real interest to me if you would test a M2 nvme adapter card in the 16x PCIe slot. To see how much boot and general load times improve with a M2 SSD. Really enjoy the videos using older hardware that was reasonably high spec in it's day, and seeing how it stacks up now.
The lack of a sleep mode ( all sleep modes incl. hibernate ? ) is due to the server chipset ? So it is not rectifiable ? The total cost , incl. shipping , is over $90 now .
How well would the AliExpress Intel boards go for a home server? Some of those bundles with an s2011 board, 12 core 2.5Ghz Haswell and 64GB ECC RAM look amazing for what I want my server to do, especially the dual socket ones...48 threads sounds great for a combined NAS & Plex server.
I was literally looking at this board yesterday!!!! I have 2x 5680s that I would like to stop sitting on the shelf and really like the look of these boards. Can you do memory speed and timings as well? I am curious to see if you can actually tune them on these boards. Also, do the fans always run at 100%?
@@philscomputerlab I was more wondering it it would allow minor overclocks of memory. Would be interesting if it allows that since most of these kinds of boards don't.
Hey Phil, off subject but can you recommend a power supply for a intel 440bx motherboard? pentium 2 system.. the power supply on mine just died and not really sure what a good replacement is
Still use a x5670 on an asus rampage board. OC'd to 4.4ghz, runs pretty well. It's paired up with a gtx 1070 and it's all fully liquid cooled. No bother playing halflife alyx, beat saber with the noodle extensions and doom eternal.
My Z77 died 2 years ago and I've searching everywere an place to buy another 1155 with 4 DIMM of RAM, I'm using an HP SFF but I've searching for a full size motherboard because I really feel that I'm not using my 3770 at full potential like I used to. I saw on another review of this motherboards but the guy mentioned that the turbo boost didn't work. I'm kinda unsure if I should exchange my 32GB of RAM and possibly the turbo boost for the capability use an full size GPU and an better PSU (I know that maybe was another unlucky event but 3 weeks ago my PSU died and I'm still suspect that was because the GPU stressed more the PSU and shorted the life time of it). Do you recomend to switch from my 3770 to a newer CPU? or should I give it a try to one of those motherboards?
Wish for the chinese to make some LGA 1567 motherboards. Can see a lot of 8 x 2.4GHz 10 cores for $60 on eBay just now. There should be plenty of those useless Dell, IBM and HP quad motherboards that could be salvaged for parts. Own 2x HP Proliant DL580 G7, but wish for something more generic.
@@philscomputerlab Are you sure? Think you covered LGA 1356 and 2011, but no 1567. Cant find any references to others than Dell, IBM, HP and Supermicro on this platform. It supports up to 8 CPUs such as the HP Proliant DL980 G7. Maybe i suck at Googeling:)
Use one of the Pcie slots for a sata 3 card, or even adapt an nvme drive to it, you won't likely boot from the nvme, but either as a cache drive or game library, it would be great.
The weirdest thing is that I have a RX Vega 64 LC (Liquid Cooled edition) GPU there. It works good & stable; despite a fact that there is a large CPU bottleneck on my setup with Xeon E5620. What CPU would you recommend for my graphics card? Thank you. :)
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I gotta say Phil, I've gotten really used to the Tuesday and Friday videos over the past year. It's my weekly youtube highlights, and I truly look forward too them. But like you said last week, you gotta put mental health first. Breaking your (normally huge and generously content packed) videos into two parts like this is just as satisfying, and still gives us that weekly phill fix. You introduced me to a desperately needed diversion at a really difficult time in my life, when a hobby was desperately needed. Thanks!
That means so much to me, thanks for sharing! Feel free to reach out if you need someone to talk to!
Phil is the real deal - great content for the sensible tech enthusiast who isn't dumb enough to spend $1000s of dollars on the latest tech upgrade that only offer marginal upgrades on the offerings of yesteryear xD
These Xeon packages (x58, x79 and x99) offer great productivity and workstation value.
X58! My favourite Tech YES Chipset! Tech YES Xeons galore!
May Xeons Reign and May it rain Xeons!
@WinWiz Xeon fever is contagious! I got Xeon Fever!
@WinWiz I just learned that it's Xeon, x58 and XP-compatible. Too much excitement for one video! I'm gonna pass out from this excitement!
Was going to post this. He covers the platform at length with overclocking. High 900's on Cinabench, but the 500+ watt draw sure gets the meter spinning.
I love seeing these unique pieces made for older hardware, especially in 2020. Keep up the great content(and BIG thanks for all your help with DOS/RetroPC setup via here, your website, and VOGONS)!
finally not an rtx 3080 video
Lol
This is looking promissing, X58 vs X79 chinese mobo comparisons incoming!
I actually managed to grab an Asus P6T Deluxe with a I7 920 and 8GB DDR3 RAM for 75€ (60€ +15€ shipping), and on eBay of all places! My X5675 arrived yesterday, I believe it is time for some old school overclocking!
Replace the thermal pads and paste before you run it.
@@h2oaddict28 firsth thing I did after booting it up to see if it was faulty or not. The poor North Bridge didn't have thermal paste anymore, it was more like thermal cement.
Nice score, found a similar deal back in 2016 for and i5 2500k ram and mobo combo, tempted to find the equivalent around a Xeon but just quickly checking the passmark even a ryzen 1600 is twice as fast as that Xeon but its $220 (140 euro), which is sort of what id like to spend on the whole ram+mobo+cpu. But if you could find that ryzen used for $100, youre almost there, still not as cheap as the Xeon setup, but for twice the performance is it worth it? Not any easy choice.
@@mikejones-vd3fg dude, I got a used 1700 for 100 euros...
@@h2oaddict28 Yeah thats a little better, but checking the gaming performance vs the xeon @ 4.5ghz its pretty much the same as the ryzen 1600, a few % slower, more slower in other things but not twice the speed as passmark would suggest. Im assuming the 1700 is similar. So the xeon is still a good cpu, and at the price probably a better deal for a minimalist gaming rig with a GPU that isnt bottlenecked by it. But overall a tad slower and older and hotter so theres that, but at half the cost, you can see its starting to look good from the other end too.
The X58 1366 platform was my PC after I got employed back then. I spent the first two months salaries to build it.
Though its cost was nicely depreciated between me and later my younger sibling over the past decade.
If I remember also, it was the last platform with ability to overclock the base clock generator, which was moved into cpu and locked for subsequent generation.
It's refreshing to see innovation not always pushed towards the bleeding edge of technology . We have a robust computer ecosystem with tons of hardware that's more than adequate. The manufacture than can reproduce boards and parts for these older systems (even with some improvements) will have a life time of profits. As long as the boehmeths don't force them out of business.
Thanks for your research and contributions to this community. Great work as always.
Thank you :)
X58 is the platform i moved to nearly 2 years ago for all my gaming needs. Before that i was still using Core2Quads. I have an ASUS P6X58D-E MOBO with 16GB ram, an X5675 Xeon overclocked to 4.5Ghz on all cores. The cpu scores 1020 on CinebenchR15. All this and an RTX2060 Super handles anything i throw at it. My next upgrade will be X79 platform but i reakon that wont be for another 5 years, maybe more.
You're on fire bro, you need to keep on doing what you love doing.
Appreciate that
Thank you for responding me, thank you for bringing me tons of information.
x58 for life! Running a Asus P6T7 WS Supercomputer w a 980 Extreme @4.3 and 48 gigs of ram. LOVE this thing so much.
Your dedication to all of your videos is 200% and the contents are 100% clean and neat! Hope you will reach 1M subs so soon!🤗💖
Thank you so much 😀
I will always tune to your vids no matter the release schedule. Stay healthy and maintain your well being. You're the king at this style of tech content. Stay well, Phil!
Thank you :D
Finally triple channel support. 👍 That is awesome and the inclusion of USB3 is great too
I'm in the process of finishing my i7-970 build. Due to many issues, waiting for parts. Having to spend more on PSU because the received one didn't work, so will have to sell at a higher price. Assuming all works, the finished build will be:
- Cooler Master Storm Sniper ATX "Mid Tower" Case (sized like full)
- (LGA1366) Intel Core i7-970 6-Cores 12-Threads CPU (cheapest 6-core, had to buy i7-920, cheapest i7, because didn't know if PSU was problem or BIOS version support, will sell separately after)
- (LGA1366) ASUS P6T ATX MB
- (LGA1366) Cooler Master V8 Cooler (Arctic MX-4 applied)
- 200mm Front Fan, 200mm Top Fan, 120mm Back Fan
- (PCIE 3.0 x16) AMD Radeon R9 290 4GB GDDR5 GPU
- (USB 3>USB 2 Header) PNY 480GB SSD (don't ask)
- (SATA 2) Samsung 500GB 7200RPM HDD
- 24GB (6x4G) DDR3 1600MHz Non-ECC SDRAM
- (IDE) DVD Burner (don't ask)
- (ATX 12V/EPS 12V) COOLMAX ZX-700 700W 80 Plus Active PFC PSU (don't ask)
I really enjoy your channel. I am glad I found you. I hope you keep growing.
thanks to Phil's other videos on the X58, I went ahead and bought a $42.00 US Supermicro X58 motherboard w/ the LGA 1366 socket. All went well, but you need to make sure your Northbridge heat sink is properly installed. Noticed the IO hub gets up to 100 C if not careful. I almost toasted the board and let it set on the shelf for 2 weeks (no post due to heat!), luckily I installed a heatsink w/ fan for that chip. Board finally posted but I was worried, I wasted $50 dollars. but fan helped big time and temps now range about 58 C for the Northbridge. Nice board updated bios to rev2 and runs quite well with a Xeon x5660. (witch only cost $10 US) But cannot overclock so eventually this computer will be my workstation for video editing, but the Huananzhi looks promising especially in a smaller board of micro ATX size. X58 rules and is the affordable chip set.
Awesome Phil your finally using x58 boards 😁
Hi Phil. Could you please validate if the motherboard supports booting from an NVMe drive through a PCI-E adapter? I know that the speed will be limited to PCI-E 2.0, but still.
I will test! Also, great seeing you here :D
Great vlog Phil. I have 3 Asus lga 1366 setups with Xeon X5650 cpus in them. They are overclockable. The Triple channel ram is a bonus and they all run fine. Looking forward to seeing the bundle vlog next week. Love the reviews of different systems. Cheers, Mon from Brisbane.
I been waiting for this video for a while THX
A few days ago I anked you about some new x79 videos (with a 2696 v2 for example) BUT THIS VIDEO IS EVEN BETTER! I WAS HOPING TO FIND SOMEONE TO REVIEW SUAH A COMBO! THANKS A LOT FOR READING MY MIND EVERY TIME YOU PUT A NEW VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't wait to see the test.... I have some spare components to put on one of those mainboards!
Hey cool, new Content with my favourite Platform X58.
Excellent video I'm interested in seeing your take on this motherboard HUANANZHI X99-F8D
Could you please review the X99 TF white motherboard I think it's one of the best non brand and great quality/looks!
Thanks to your videos on these types of recycled motherboards and cheap XEONS I was finally able to build my first pc a month ago! I was lucky enough to snag a LGA 1356 motherboard, e5 2420 and 8gb of ram for only $80 CA! Thanks Phil!
Edit: Grammer
I was waiting for this video :D
I personaly run a X5690 at 4.2ghz oc from 3.4ghz stock with 24gb ram.
I bought 6x8gb server dimms and they didnt work in my currant board but this could be a good replacement if my Rampage ii Extreme died
Dell Precision T5500 with Dual x5675 + 9*8GB DDR3-ECC for the win!
$110 for base T5500
Riser for $70
2 Xeons for $45
72GB of ram from local data storage/PC repair shops - $100
alternatively you can get Ryzen 7 1700 for 90$ on AliExpress
@@---pp7tq yeah true
You can't overclock with that chinese board so you would be stuck at the stock 3.46GHz base and 3.73GHz turbo with the X5690
@@Pasi123 si sube hasta bclk 160.
Damn, I just wanted to find a review on this motherboard, and you released this video))
Also it would be interesting to se how sli/crossfire works with chinese motherboards
I think that X58 is still viable even in 2020. I am running an X58 Dell Workstation with 2x x5675s in it and it is running great. Maybe AliExpress might have dual CPU motherboards for x58 for a bit more coinage because it might be interesting to see a dual CPU setup because thanks to the rise of Ryzen Microsoft has really optimized Windows 10 for dual CPU configurations considering Zen with some of their CPUs have dual CCXs which is like having 2 separate CPUs on 1 chip.
I think your Dell BEAST is still going to do very well with modern tasks.
@@philscomputerlab older high end platforms definitely have some more good years... same goes for x79 (lga 2011)
This would pair so nicely with a x5675 as there super cheap here in the US. Really looking at this as a budget streaming/server PC! Thanks so much Phil
I done some tests with the X5670, but will do more now with the X5675. They are similar, the X5675 is just clocked that little bit higher :D
@@philscomputerlab cant wait for the follow up video!
Your channel is one-of-a-kind... thanks !
Glad you enjoy it!
I am planning to get x58 platforms for budget reasons. Xeon rule 😅😁
the huanzhi mobo + an X5675 is pretty sweet setup, 20-40% cpu use playing red dead 2 online
I dont know why but chinese electronics really excite me.
Pretty interesting stuff they're doing with hardware
I like these boards because they're different than the usual gamerz type motherboards we see - the design here is no-nonsense with few extra frills, and the frills like the neon green slots are just a color choice instead of a baroque over-designed (and possible less functional) VRM heatsink.
Ordered One a view Days ago, exactly this Mobo. Im little hyped right now, good Vid.
I have a Gigabyte X58-UD4P from whenever the i7 920 was released.. still going strong but SUCH a power hog. I slapped a W3690 in it and it used even more so for now it's in a cupboard awaiting its fate
The W CPUs are 130W TDP rated :D
@@philscomputerlab Yes it's quite horrendous.. actually I'm giving up on 1366.. I need to find someway to sell it and get an asus PN50 instead. End goal is a home server for all my stuff
Undervolt for best efficiency
@@gabrielecarbone8235 been there but the gains are marginal compared to just selling and getting some ryzen mini pc with a ultra low power cpu that actually is heaps faster than the nehalem cpus
@@Airbag888 that's for sure
An awesome channel and keep your good work 👍👍
Honestly, it's probably time to move on from X58 in 2020 as your main system, but they're still worth keeping around as a back-up system. I rescued a workstation X58 motherboard and i7-960 from the recycling bin at my work. It came with 12GB of RAM (go figure), and I also got several 2TB mechanical hard drives and two Quadro video cards with it as well. I was able to assemble a whole spare system with an old Antec case and power supply I had laying around.
Your contents are quite informative and interesting.
I appreciate that!
IIRC, when tested, SATA 2 does not perform worse than SATA 3 for boot times or application load times. Other use cases may vary. Looks like marketing - a bigger number = better.
It depends what drive you use it with, and whether your CPU and RAM are fast enough to process the data quickly. SATA 3 should make a big difference over SATA 2 in most setups with an SSD.
A Nivida card would look amazing with the green and black
That VRM fan where the Northbridge chip used to be looks like it may pose some clearance issues for a video card. Pretty cool though, i like how Chinese engineers are finding innovated ways to reuse old components
I had no issues installing a RX 580 and RX 5700!
5-6 years later: Brand new SP3/TR/X4 Motherboard with Quad Channel memory from China.
It's time to watch philslabcomputer's another video! Yesterday I was satisfied with my system because OCCT saying that I have 2 channel memory at least. Its memory test always crashes after 5 seconds but with no problem to run the system strange haha.
No relation to the video but I found a cheap 1600x/b450/16gb combo for ~150usd. Slapped that in a spare tecware nexus case I had along with an RX580 and it's a great 1080p machine. Gave it away to my younger cousin for his school stuff since he's studying from home.
To bad it doesnt overclock. I have an old PC built from bits I rescued at work with a Xeon X5670 over clocked to 4.5GHz using a gigabyte board and 12GB DDR3 RAM. Runs rather well.
Get a 5690. Really fast out of the box.
@@tubularmonkeymaniac unfortunately dont have one lying around, I saved all the other bits from ewaste, so a freeby. Though Im surprised how well these old chips overclock and run stable, of course with a better cooler than the stock intel one.
Pretty cool, perfect for someone who has a failed motherboard and available cpu / memory etc but i noticed CP was only $25
The board price went up but by around $5 no big deal.
Looks like fully loaded with use ram , cpu , GTX760 is @ $200 USD ( the video card is worth 50% if this bundle )
Regards
George
I was thinking of buying this one recently. Decent pricing but the product description of the seller lacks and the image quality is bad.
Now it's clear that it doesn't have M.2 slot. Thanks for this review.
Very interesting. That board shows some thoughtful design. Nice to see the quality coming up.
Are any of these outfits making a dual LGA1366? If I could find one with four RAM slots, my life would be complete (and my parts pile would be smaller).
Ok that motherboard is one really awesome high performance Frankenstein hardware XD
so good for my happy birtday gif..
Still blows my mind how post codes, built in speaker, and power/reset on a board cost so much that only $60 Chinese boards and $200+ name brand boards can afford to have them.
they cost nothing (~$2 in parts), but big brands use them as a differentiators for market segmentation
Thank you for reviewing this mobo
You're welcome :D This board has been teasing me for ages. Eventually I bought it LOL
@@philscomputerlab if i am not wrong i noticed you about this mobo
Would love to see if this has the bios modding potential of the x79 and x99 Chinese boards
CPUs with unlocked multiplier should be overcklockable via Intel XTU, but not sure. E.g. W3680, W3690.
I hear some rumors about a program on some Russian site allowing OC on Chinese boards, but didn't find it
That mini fan, I think it is 3.5 cm, becomes loud in a few weeks working 24 hours/day. I took it away until I realize It's the same size raspberry pi fans... so I bought one and it keep working for a few month... yeah!
Good tip! Mine is still quiet.
Yes they really should have a heatsink on the chip and for backup or to run sure cool the fan on top of the heatsink - like a 486 / early Pentium 1
I think they just use off the shelf option
This is why name brands actually work 24/7 with no problems, you dont need 100% tech or speed, but they run 100% reliably 24/7
I do like to see these types of videos. I think the X58 or LGA 1366 platform is good for a specialized PC running Windows XP or even Windows 7 for games made in the early 2000's through the early 2010's.
That being said it is time to move on to something newer if your intent is to use it as a daily driver PC or to play current games. Yes, it can play many newer games to a certain extent but probably won't be able to do so for much longer. Plus the amount of power most LGA 1366 chips & the chipset use is quite a bit higher than most current day CPUs & chipsets. For those on a super tight budget a Ryzen 3100 CPU & A520 chipset board would be faster at tasks than many of the 1366 chips, use less power doing so and give you current day tech like USB 3.2 Gen2 support, SATA 3, M.2 and so on. You might not have as many CPU cores or threads available but the ones that you do have will have higher IPC than any of the 1366 chips. Not to mention a full BIOS and support for future CPUs.
Yep, this board might look cool, but whole setup comes out more expensive and slower than low end i3 9100F
the w3680 is 35 to 40 and is fully unlocked and is a nice chip :) the x5675 is the bvest bang for the buck overclocker its 95 watt and has a great die so it ocs like a beast
That thing with a X5670, 12 GB DDR3-1600 and a GTX 780 Ti SLI would be like some really impressive XP overkill build. Or a 2700K on a Z68 board to get the fastest thing you get drivers for XP for.
I believe I have bought an unlocked CPU. I should be able to deactivate cores, and OC it to 4 GHz or so. But you can do the same thing with X79 as well :)
afaik the X58 platform could still be easily overclocked over the FSB/BCLK, and nehalem tends to like odd multipliers. Saw quite a few i7-920/Xeon X5650 that went easily past 4 GHz, but after that it gets tight.
Still using a x58 platform as my secondary pc and I love it. Gigabyte X58 UD3R+X5650@3.8Ghz ( can go higher but 3.8ghz is just fine for my needs and power/temps )+ Intel E97381 tower cooler +12Gb DDR3@1900mhz in triple channel and a Sapphire RX470 4Gb Nitro gpu. It performs the same in apps at 3.8ghz as my i7-4770k@4.2Ghz.
All these old xeons getting put to use it pretty funny to me actually. I work at a recycling center as a reseller. Glad to say I've put at least a hundred of these CPU's back in circulation
I still run my X58 board with an i7 930 cpu. I run Windows 7 due to the fact i have an Auzentech 7.1 Prelude which had the X-FI chipset licensed from Creative. Love that card, no official drivers for the latest version of windows 10. last video card i bought for that system was an nVidia GTX 680.
I had a similar card (x-fi forte)but I stopped using 5 years ago as modified drivers were prone to crashing my pc
I was waiting for this video :D
I personaly run a X5690 at 4.2ghz oc from 3.4ghz stock with 24gb ram.
I bought 6x8gb server dimms and they didnt work in my currant board but this could be a good replacement if my Rampage ii Extreme
You'll lose the overclock if you go with this board.
@@AaronHendu yeah i know km just saying if my rampage ii extreme died
@jim rose i got 4.3 stable but it froze the system after a little bit
Looking at building a cheap game server. How would these systems handle running as a DayZ server for example?
I'm not sure to be honest, but especially multi-threaded performance is pretty decent!
You'd probably be better off going for X79 or X99, as they're not much more expensive, but are faster and more efficient, have more cores, and support quad-channel memory at higher memory frequencies, which helps a lot with moving data around (i.e. the sort of thing you need to do a lot of on a gaming server). Something like a 2689, 2650V2, or 2620V3 bundle from Aliexpress with 16-32GB of RAM might be good options if you're looking for a combined CPU + Motherboard + Ram cost of around £160/€175/$200.
The E5 2678 V3 is also a good option for about £80/$100 more than that (once you include the extra cost of the better motherboard and RAM), with 12 cores, faster memory support, and better clock speeds (if you use the turbo unlock hack).
It really depends on exactly what your standard for "cheap" is, how many people you want to be able to use the server, and how smooth and fast an experience you're targeting. If you want to host for more than about 20 people and your total system budget is around £400/$500, I'd go for the 2678 V3. If your budget is around £200/$250 or if you only want to host for 5-10 people, an X58 system would be fine. For somewhere in the middle, X79 or a turbo-unlocked 2620V3 is probably best.
Yes! Bonus video! Thanks Phil, very interesting platform. But wait, with the i7 you need to use ecc memory and with the xeon you don't? That's a funny plot twist. I love that they put in a PCI slot, good for old soundcards and capture cards. A question I would have is how it runs Ubisoft games, we know those are picky. Thanks again.
The i7 only works with desktop RAM, whereas the Xeon works with both, desktop RAM and Registered ECC server RAM :)
You can overclock with those board using setFSB, but without voltage and proper ram ratio/timing control you won't get further than 147-150 fsb (pretty much 10-15% gain).
I used this kind of board for 6 month, it's decent, usb3 is a bit slow to detect devices but other than that it's stable, paired with an rx470 and 16gb of ram you can play basically every games.
You'd be better with an x79/x99 setup tho, they are just a tad more expensive but perform so much better.
Not bad, but, theres is "X79A" 1356 motherboard for around 40US$ and E5-2420v2 for around 8US$ on AliExpress, so, with 60~75US$ of that X58, you can build an entire 1356 Kit with almost 16GB ECC DDR3...
The E5 2640 V2 is an LGA2011 CPU, not LGA1356. The E5 2440 V2 is a similar CPU that works with the X79A LGA 1356 socket, but clocked 100MHz lower than the 2640 V2, and I can't find it for sale anywhere on Aliexpress. Both CPUs are awful because their maximum clock is only 2.5/2.4GHz - they're cheap because they're terrible. You would be much better off getting a CPU with higher clocks, on either X58 or LGA 2011.
@@nathangamble125 Sorry, I attempted describe the E5-2420v2 not E5-2640v2, but I was drunk earlier, edited, thank you for correct me, also, they are not bad, I have an E5-2470v2 actually, but also have that E5-2420v2, and they can run almost all the actual games at 60fps, X58 don't have AVX instruction and almost all the new games are launching demanding that, about wich is better, guess an X5650 stock isn't better than E5-2420v2, you need to make a good overclock at 4.0GHz+ to make it better, but, the cheap chinese motherboards aren't good for overclock, and you will need a good CPU cooler to handle that overclock, in resume, more and more money killing the purpose of stay cheap, if it's needed to spend around 200US$ on a X58/X79/X99 Kit like that, guess it is smarter to go AM4 Kit with a Ryzen 2600 or 1700 Pro...
Can it boot from an M.2 drive in an adapter in one of the PCIe slots? It would be interesting if the manufacturer included support for that in the BIOS.
Possibly, but probably only for M.2 SATA, not for an NVMe drive.
Hi, the Xeon's and chipset both support intel VT-d but can you let us know if this can be enabled in the bios? This would make a great virtualization machine if so.
seconded
x58 is such an odd platform . its fast enough to keep up with aloooot of modern cpus but is lacking avx and avx 2 so it hurts it there
It was surprised that this motherboard still using the PS/2 ports
The lack of overclocking and the 18-20usd shipping kills this for me :(
i've got an x79 board and after a week exploded. and the seller didn't want to refound me in any way. i'm not gonna buy theese chinese motherboard ever again.
I recently found out that Win XP automatic updates are no longer working because of sha2 encryption which is a big bummer for me. I kinda liked installing xp on a freshly build retro system an having the luxury of automatic updates. Do you update your systems Phil after you did a fresh new XP install?
Are the small red dots on the corners of the board moisture detectors?
Hey Phil wie wäre es mal mit einem schönen FM2 oder FM2+ Setup ;) grüße aus Deutschland :)
Sorry for not compressing everything i have to say in just only one message; but anyway, I HAVE A SUGGESTION... try booting into windows from a pcie sata card (with sata 3 controller) or a pcie to m2 nvme: just to check if we can skip the onboard sata2 port... hope my request is" undestandable"
Thanks in advance even if you can't follow my suggestion.
Can't wait to see the full review...
I will test PCIe M.2
I wonder how well a board like this would function for retro gaming purposes (Win98SE, Win2000/ME, and XP). Do a retro build, Phil!
Very good thank you very much
Just fitted a 10 year old NEVER OPENED/used X56 mobo. Was just chilling in the back of our PC shop. lol Its a GYGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R . Have fitted an Xenon X5680 cpu . But would it be better to fit a W3680 instead though?
*Xeon
X5680 and W3680 are pretty much the same. The W3680 has unlocked multiplier but that doesn't matter because it's better to overclock via bclk anyway.
would you recommend a b75 board from ali express fornmy 3770.I heard those boards dont support tubro boost and the fan speeds are at 100% all the time?
Pitty no BCLK overclocking :/
Hi Phil,
It would be of real interest to me if you would test a M2 nvme adapter card in the 16x PCIe slot. To see how much boot and general load times improve with a M2 SSD.
Really enjoy the videos using older hardware that was reasonably high spec in it's day, and seeing how it stacks up now.
The lack of a sleep mode ( all sleep modes incl. hibernate ? ) is due to the server chipset ? So it is not rectifiable ? The total cost , incl. shipping , is over $90 now .
Not sure, but it's an issue with most boards!
I wonder if those slots are U.V
How well would the AliExpress Intel boards go for a home server? Some of those bundles with an s2011 board, 12 core 2.5Ghz Haswell and 64GB ECC RAM look amazing for what I want my server to do, especially the dual socket ones...48 threads sounds great for a combined NAS & Plex server.
"You'll have to use regular... Desktop... Memory" Lol
What was the issue with using new GPU's ? Was it just this board or X58 in general?
Useful content as always! If you have the resources there's new Huananzhi x79 boards that are out maybe you can check them out as well
That model with the integrated IO shield?
Will a xeon cpu work fine for a dedicated streaming PC?
Solve that sata problem with a pcie sata card right? Unless it wouldn’t support booting from it... should test that!
I was literally looking at this board yesterday!!!! I have 2x 5680s that I would like to stop sitting on the shelf and really like the look of these boards.
Can you do memory speed and timings as well? I am curious to see if you can actually tune them on these boards. Also, do the fans always run at 100%?
The memory speed is dependent on the CPU. I will check timings for next video.
@@philscomputerlab I was more wondering it it would allow minor overclocks of memory. Would be interesting if it allows that since most of these kinds of boards don't.
Hey Phil, off subject but can you recommend a power supply for a intel 440bx motherboard? pentium 2 system.. the power supply on mine just died and not really sure what a good replacement is
Any decent brand, and 400W will do the trick
@@philscomputerlab thank you
ohmygaad, native conventional pci!
thanks for the review
Still use a x5670 on an asus rampage board. OC'd to 4.4ghz, runs pretty well. It's paired up with a gtx 1070 and it's all fully liquid cooled. No bother playing halflife alyx, beat saber with the noodle extensions and doom eternal.
My Z77 died 2 years ago and I've searching everywere an place to buy another 1155 with 4 DIMM of RAM, I'm using an HP SFF but I've searching for a full size motherboard because I really feel that I'm not using my 3770 at full potential like I used to.
I saw on another review of this motherboards but the guy mentioned that the turbo boost didn't work. I'm kinda unsure if I should exchange my 32GB of RAM and possibly the turbo boost for the capability use an full size GPU and an better PSU (I know that maybe was another unlucky event but 3 weeks ago my PSU died and I'm still suspect that was because the GPU stressed more the PSU and shorted the life time of it).
Do you recomend to switch from my 3770 to a newer CPU? or should I give it a try to one of those motherboards?
A sore point with me (on all of these types of motherboard) is the lack of legacy vga socket which rules out use as a basic server.
Wish for the chinese to make some LGA 1567 motherboards. Can see a lot of 8 x 2.4GHz 10 cores for $60 on eBay just now. There should be plenty of those useless Dell, IBM and HP quad motherboards that could be salvaged for parts. Own 2x HP Proliant DL580 G7, but wish for something more generic.
I believe the are, and I covered them :)
@@philscomputerlab Are you sure? Think you covered LGA 1356 and 2011, but no 1567. Cant find any references to others than Dell, IBM, HP and Supermicro on this platform. It supports up to 8 CPUs such as the HP Proliant DL980 G7. Maybe i suck at Googeling:)
@@retromaniac4563 Oh, yea I confused it with 1356! I'll look into 1567 :)
Use one of the Pcie slots for a sata 3 card, or even adapt an nvme drive to it, you won't likely boot from the nvme, but either as a cache drive or game library, it would be great.
I have motherboard Asus ROG RAMPAGE III EXTREME (LGA 1366) with CPU Xeon E5620 running with NON-ECC DDR3 RAM modules. It's weird, but it works. :)
The weirdest thing is that I have a RX Vega 64 LC (Liquid Cooled edition) GPU there. It works good & stable; despite a fact that there is a large CPU bottleneck on my setup with Xeon E5620. What CPU would you recommend for my graphics card? Thank you. :)
I'd love a link to the bundle sounds fun
Amazing video