Using X58 / LGA 1366 in 2020
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Welp, you know it's time to upgrade when your day-to-day work/gaming PC shows up on a retro gaming channel. :)
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I use an i7 950 with 24 GB of DDR3 10600 Mememory. Still works fine. I use a GT 1030 OC Passive graphics card. It works fine although I would like to upgrade the graphics card.
@@ztechrepairs grab a 960 or 970 cpu honest the 6 cores 12 thread make a huge difference . Westmere and gulf are leaks better then base nehal
@@ztechrepairs A GTX 280 from 2008 is more powerful than a GT 1030 to put that in perspective for you. You could be playing games with great graphics with even a RX 570.
@@LordPhan that is not true. gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GT-1030-vs-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-280/m283726vsm8413
@@amdintelxsniperx Forget about the I7's for that platform. The real cost benefit is on the xeons, mainly the w3670 or the x5675, which are also 6t 12c that you can clock over 4Ghz on a good board and they cost only about $30. I just finished building a machine with a w3670 and it performs very nicely still, but you need to get a "real" x58 board with triple channel memory and some overclock capabilities.
X58 is an amazing chipset that has aged very well. I'm running a Dell Precision T3500 with an X5675 and an RTX 2060, it runs modern games quite good for having a build date of 2011.
I have the Dell Precision T5600 (C602), which I got for free in my company's decommissioning program about 2 years ago, including an old SSD, 8x4GB DDR3 REEC 1600, and a OEM modular 825W PSU. I upgraded to dual E5-2689 from dual E5-2667, threw in a GTX 970 and better SSD for the OS...and voila...runs like a champ. However, I wouldn't invest in a GPU above GTX 1070, or equivalent AMD (e.g. RX 480/580 8GB). These DELL PRECISIONs can be had for cheap locally, especially when companies decommission desktop servers. An Ivy Bridge or possibly Haswell (T3610/5610) version being preferred (with the AVX instruction set plus USB 3.0), IMO. DELL BIOS is locked, so staying with higher core count and highest base/turbo clock CPU's is also the way to go. They are very business looking, so no RGB bling. However, I did buy some 3D Carbon Vinyl sheeting (used for car exteriors) and added to the side panel as an accent. Made the box a bit more appealing for the home environment.
Guess that confirms turing support as well with x58? I'm guessing uefi bios support was the limiting factor with the rx5800. I knew pascal worked fine
@@jb678901 damn you lucky
@@mistergameplay9766 It was my office PC, but it died (bad I/O ports) and was no longer supported. These stations used to be used by our developers up until a few years prior and had been repurposed for the HQ. We had another T5600 in the lab refuse bin that died for another reason (it already had been partially stripped of parts). I swapped out motherboards to my old PC and was able to resurrect a working PC during a late evening. However, our IT would no longer support it as I had already been set up with my labtop to a desk docking station. I asked if I could buy it for my home (it was already fully depreciated), so my boss (CEO) kindly said...just take it home. I was even able to take from the bin the spare 825W PSU and the two spare OEM fans. Most of the time, when such HW is decommissioned, we simply gift (absent storage devices) to a Charity that repurposes the desktop server HW for personal home uses. In order to reduce e-waste.
I run X5675 and 2080ti. Mfs2020 4k ultra 44fps
They finally put a fan onto the chipset heatsink! The heat output from X58 is no joke and tiny heatsinks just won't cut it.
Think that's bad, try cooling essentially two of them. My server board has two chipsets
@@aceoyame2619 Ha, yeah my LGA1356 server is a bit toasty, I had to add additional fans to help cool both the chipsets I would imagine 1366 stuff would be fun.
I used an X58 platform as my main rig until earlier this year. Started in life with an i7 920, GTX 285, and 6GB. Ended with a X5675 @ 4.6GHz, an RX 580 8GB, and 12GB. The X5675 is an amazing overclocker on the P6T DV2. If you can snag that board for a retro rig I recommend going for it. I put GTX 285's in SLI back in for a lovely Win7 retro machine. Attained the #1 Time Spy slot for that set of hardware (RX 580).
Lmao it’s funny this shows up in my feed. I just found an i7-990x in the middle corn country IOWA!!!! The guy sold it with a Gigabyte G1 sniper board and 24gb of Corsair vengeance for $100!!!
You were lucky.
The LGA 1366 platform has definitely had its time, and should be put to rest now. The LGA 2011 platform has more modern features for not much more money, and even if you are on an extremely limited budget, there's the E5-2609 for under $5 to get you started.
Another alternative for those who have access to cheap DDR4 RAM is a secondhand Z170 board and one of the Skylake A0 engineering samples (QH73/8E/8F/8G), which cost next to nothing now. You can flash an old BIOS to overclock them via the FSB/BCLK, and most should reach 3.6 GHz pretty easily. For gaming, it beats all of the old Xeons.
No rest bruh!
doing 1440p gaming with 1070ti, check my videos.
ty for teh tip.
im looking to build a streaming pc for my daughter and i;; check those cpus.
I have a E5-2620 and a E5-2689, the 2689 is a beast!
both with RX570
My main pc have a Ryzen 5 1600AF with a RX580
...my old xeons hit 4.6 to 4.9
3.6 aint close and especially with triple channel memory advantage lol
@@formdoggie5 There's something called IPC. Clock speed alone means nothing. Just look at the 5 GHz AMD FX-9590: it loses to any relatively modern CPU at half the clock speed.
All these people thinking they need a 3090 to get high fps :D yes this is mostly older games but even newer games with minor tweaking will run very well on even an RX580 in 1080p (which most runs at anyways) these videos just prove that you can have lots of great high fps fun with older and cheaper stuff
Use it every day for the last 9 years. What a machine!
I've got a W3680 in there paired with 24GB on the three channels.
Built so many x58 for my buddies because of this channel. Might hop to x79 soon.
If you can find good deals on boards, you won't regret it.
Built one of these last year for my stepson , had a gigabyte x58 board , 12gb of ddr3 and an i920 in the loft from yeeeeaaars ago , put a 5670 in it and watercooled the whole thing using a load of old cooling stuff I also had in the loft , put my 980ti with waterblock in it from a recent full PC upgrade , 5670 runs at 4.6ghz @1.375v and it plays everything beautifully on his 1080p monitor , only cost me an EVGA 550w power supply £36 , a Deepcool case £40 and the 5670 was £9 (lol) from ebay. He absolutely loves it. X58 still going strong over 10 years later.
Great Video , love your channel and content , superb ! :)
The reason NVMe works on X79 but not on X58 is that it needs an EFI with the appropriate driver on it. Legacy BIOS will never be able to boot from NVMe. However, you should still be able to use NVMe SSDs as storage devices in Windows just fine.
I've had X58, X79 and X99. Out of all three, X58 is the most fun to OC, but X79 gives the best balance between cost and performance. Sandy Bridge was really a performance leap (the biggest we've seen so far), and Westmere, while more than decent for its time, will still hit the same blocks as s775 did, especially since it lacks many instructions (especially AVX).
And, while i'm not sure with cheap chinese mobos, but with decently high-end mobos you could mod the EFI to do all sort of modern stuff, especially have your mobo support PCI-E lane bifurcation (especially useful to have multiple NVMe SSDs off a single PCI-E slot).
CryTek hasn't optimized CryEngine properly since CryEngine 3, leading to the Crysis Remaster having the exact same performance problems the original had, just running on newer technology. 🤷
So I believe I had Raytracing also active LOL I only realised afterwards.
@@philscomputerlab Raytracing can't be enabled on non-RTX cards, it'll just error out or crash. It's just poorly optimized, the same complaints have been cropping up on forums all over the place.
I wonder if the aircraft carrier stage will crash a lot again.
@@KiraSlith really I heard the PS4 and Xbox one x can run this game with a little bit of ray tracing
@@HD-dp1pr Yeah, SVOGI. its more efficient than Nvidia's RTX raytracing and (IMO) looks just as good, CryTek had the first engine implementation in CryEngine 3.8.3 in 2015, which ran pretty well on a GTX 980. No clue why other game engines haven't been able to get it working right since then though.
It's possible to get a M.2 NVMe SSD to work as a boot drive on this mainboard. You can use Clover (a boot manager usually for Hackintosh, but it can also emulate UEFI environment on older boards) and load NVMe drivers. There are some tutorials about it on PCbeta (Chinese).
Another way is to find a NVMe drive with legacy option ROM, such as Samsung PM963.
Have a nice weekend👍
I still run my old x58 with an i7 950 from 8 or 9 years ago. Thanks for sharing.
M.2 is working on that platform. I have a Samsung 970 Evo (on a cheap M.2 -> PCIe Converter from Amazon) in my Rampage 2 Extreme. It doesn’t shown in the BIOS and is not bootable. But in my case I had multiple SSD‘s and HDD‘s in my PC and I just have installed a bootloader (Clover in my case) on a SATA drive which are shown and bootable from the BIOS. And in the Bootloader I just click on the OS (or let it automatically choose) which is installed on the M.2 drive because the OS has drivers for M.2 built in. It also works with a bootloader on an USB stick but because this is my daily PC I installed it intern. But the Speed of the M.2 is limited. The limit comes because the Samsung 970 is for PCIe 3.0 (x4) but the X58 Platform has only PCIe 2.0 (x4). But it is still faster then SATA2 or even SATA3. As I say it is the maximum Speed of PCIe 2.0 x4.
if you are buying on a budget, definitely buy lga 1356 bundles. I have got mine for 50€ with shipping and 20€ customs. 2420 v2 with 8gb ddr3 ecc with mobo that supports m.2 drives. This CPU even runs original crysis at over 60 fps! I was pleasently surprised at how good it runs all games. Nice video Phil, keep them going!
Very nice use of old resources. Makes for a cool cheap gaming rig.
Pascal still runs on x58. I run a dual x5677 system with a 1060. You could use a 1080ti, that'd be faster than a 580 by a good bit. You may be able to of it slightly as well. I get an extra 100 mhz out of my x5677's with setfsb. They're not unlocked so I can push it too far before it locks
Well this processor is SO much more frugal than the i7 920 and the W3690 I got haha specially in idle
using the same processor with my gtx 1070 ti.
@@GamersOrb the bottleneck is real with your setup. My condolences
@@achu-7941 I'm using an r9 370 and x5670 GPU bottlenecks while cpu sits between 20 and 50 dependant on load
Still running my X58 build since 2009!
Gonna put some last upgrades in it before I finally retire it for a Ryzen AM5 build. Currently it's still running an i7 920, but have an Xeon W3680 ready to swap it out with (and OC a bit) once I find just the right case for it (Rosewill RSV-4310). Essentially want to find that specific 4U case so I can stick a decent workstation CRT on top. That along with either my current GTX 970 or upgrading to a 980 Ti will make for one interesting hybrid. Also will be adding a rather robust USB 3.0 card as my P6T Deluxe v2 came out a bit too early for it to feature it natively. Also going to put in an adapter card that pretty much lets you mount a SATA III SSD right into a PCI-E slot, which will free up space elsewhere in the case and give my Crucial 1TB a small speed boost over SATA II.
5:30 What you have there is a SATA card with a PCI-E 1x slot. On PCI-E 2.0 that will not provide enough bandwidth for a SSD.
What you need is a controller that has a Marvell 88SE9230 or ASMedia ASM3142 chip. These are 2x PCI-E. I have used the 88SE9230 myself and it got close to the maximum of the SATA 3.0 specification.
use sata 6 PCI card
@@GamersOrb LOL
Phil, Can you add 'No man's sky' to your list of test games? It might not be the best game ever but it supports Vulkan.
Anyway keep up the good work.
this thing still has a northbridge people, that should show how old this platform really is...
"yeah i know they integrated the northbridge in the processors now"
it's incredible to see how technology advancement decrease in recent times, i still use a 775 platform with a cpu around 10 years of age which does a decent job with a fairly good gpu
Whats your gpu? Im upgrading my old ass 775 that I just fixed
@@dagothcharles2044 rx570
It's awesome to build systems like that for the nostalgia factor and the thing is, they are perfectly capable entertainment rigs :)
i have a qx6700 paired with gtx750ti 2gb and 2x4gb 133mhz ddr3 ram. 2.7ghz oced to 3.2 via multiplier, not fsb.
The ultimate Windows XP Xeon X58 Board setup is back!!!!
windows Xp, Xeons and X58. better than your usual XXX!
by the way the source code for win xp was leaked yesterday, dx12 on windows XP for all!
@@mikejones-vd3fg if the linux community wasn't able to import dx to linux, nobody will be able to import it on a locked down, dead os.
@@francescovolpini I dont know Im not a programmer but i wouldnt say its impossible, practicle is another questions, or really care it was a joke. But id imagine having the source code for windows XP you can do a lot of things linux guys couldnt do because they had to reverse engineer everything.
@@mikejones-vd3fg i got it was a joke, but if people could access dx12's scripts, they could probably import them on linux as well. :)
Thanks for revisiting this platform. X58 isn't a bad platform but there are now too many incompatibilities & concessions that have to be made unless you're building a Win XP through 7 retro box. It doesn't support desirable current day tech like the newer AMD video cards, possibly some of the newer Nvidia cards, M.2 SSDs, SATA3, USB 3.2 gen2, etc. Even a cheap AM4 board will give you most of those features, or all of them if you go with an inexpensive A520 board. Sure it might not be quite as cheap initially but it's a much better value in the long run IMO!
I think it wouldn't make much sense to run the newer graphics on it anyway. I have tested the x58 I got with both a GTX1060 and an RX570 and they run just fine... and that is the kind of graphics power I believe one should be aiming at when going with a system of this age.
I've been running my W3690 with an OC and a GTX 1080 for a few years, using it for 1440p is really nice but I'm gonna do a full replacement when the time is right
what OC do you have on that chip, i have a W3690 also running at 4.2 all cores..
@@amansidhu2138 I used to have it higher but right now only at 3.8 since I'm not using it as much
Using a x58 workstation. Intel xeon 6 cores 12 threadss with gtx 1070ti.
Doing 1440p gaming flawlessly.
Check videos for benchmarks
interesting! i'll check your channel out
Vega 64 / 56 should also work fine (albeit your PSU needs to be up to the task, especially when overclocking the Xeon on a better mainboard).
I still got my X58 rig as well, but it's an X5690 @ 4.3GHz.
I used to game with an rtx 2080, but the bottleneck was pretty big, so I got another pc with a Ryzen 3600 (the difference is massive).
@@francescovolpini Thank you
@@GamersOrb no prob ;)
Almost year ago bought used chieftec big tower with sabertooth x58 and i7 950 1tb 6gb ram hd6850. I add ssd and replace hd6850 with radeon rx570 4gb red devil, also add 6gb more ram. Machine work nice play many titles in full hd also that is max my monitor can show. month ago buy noctua NH-C12P and easy put cpu to 4,1ghz...
I agree with you. For playing around x58 is a good platform but x79 is way better. Sandy Bridge was such a huge jump in performance from Westmere.
I'm convinced that a x5675 overclocked to 4 ghz with 2000ish mhz ram( maybe with the Corsair Dominator GT... back then those ram were soo good at overclocking )can still guarantee good performance but the absence of some instructions makes the platform unattractive. Unfortunately, motherboards that allow you to overclock cpu and ram well, cost a lot. If one doesn't want to overclock x79 it becomes even more attractive. The CPUs of the x58 platform have rather low frequencies ( i mean the good priced ones. The x5690 at 3,46ghz costs over 65 dollars... ) and, especially in games, the difference is felt. Anyway nice video as always and yeah im curious to see if this board can overclock a cpu :)
On both the x58 and x79 platforms the real value is really on using those higher end boards if you can get then on a deal. I have been lucky to get really good deals on boards from both platforms lately just by keeping an eye at offerup. I agree that the x79 is really where its at, not only because the more modern processors, but the quad channel ecc registered memory thing just makes for a tremendous value. But you need to really get those boards under the $70 mark for sure.
I use LGA1366 for servers. This is cheapest platform out there that can have 200 GB of RAM with 20+ threads. Sure Sandy Bridge are way more efficient than Westmere, but for the price of one SB system components I can often get two or three 1366s. Incidentally I have all X5670-5690 CPUs, and 70s are dirt cheap, but 90s are super expensive for very moderate clock increase. 80s are like half the price for 133 MHz less? Sadly, they are slowly getting more and more expensive. Finally there are two other issues: You have to pay close attention to RAM, ranks and timings, because when the platform came out there were no 16 GB DDR3 sticks, and while platform works with some 32 GB modules, it's spotty at best. Also speed - fully populated, 1333 MHz is top end, with some configurations forcing 1066 and Nehalem 55xx CPUs even 800 MHz. So yeah. Final issue is cooling. Xeons have integrated backplate with threaded mounting holes with LGA-2011 spacing, but use M3, instead of M4 thread, while desktop LGA1366 uses pushpins. Nothing fits, it's a clusterf... of standoffs and salvaged springs to mount anything. I would be (sorry) screwed, if I haven't kept box of 20mm M3s around.
Finally, given the price jump, and investment required, when you have working servers, only upgrade that makes sense financially is either LGA3647 or AWS. Or any Zen-class ECC capable machine that you nail from ebay.
@@Vatharian problem is their huge idle draw. At least here in Germany where power is 0,37€/kWh, which would be around 0.5$.
After one or maximum two years a SB will safe a lot. (~50W IDLE for 12core single SB vs ~120W IDLE for Dual-6c-Westmere)
@@TheRailroad99 This is close to our local rates (your eastern neighbour here), and yes, I am very aware of inefficiency of that platform and I weep. And more, I admit in any normal circumstances, any normal business would sum up TCO and went newer HW. But - I do not use racks, only normal PC cases, which cuts costs significantly (there are no cheap racks in local market anyway, and definitely not used ones). My typical 'client' lifetime is around 3-8 months, couple small startups that don't want VPS or AWS for whatever reason, and student groups. Hardware reuse is also high. In any normal business cost of actual motherboard+CPU is a fraction, for me it's significant portion, and with prices driven down to the ground energy costs matter less. I do have couple high-density machines, multi node chassis from Supermicro, but while they are incredible, even with energy efficiency better over 9 times (from actual calculations), I will have hard time getting return on that investment - I am simply too small.
Finally, for my personal projects LGA1366 is enough, and I have even one LGA771 server.
@@Vatharian thanks for the explanation...
I love the older platforms as well, but I don't run them 24/7. I have two 1366 dualies I use for video transcoding, and one SP 1156 system which is the only system running 24/7 (for web services and storage).
Thank you very much Phil for comparing the 2 platforms which i asked in your previous video i got x79 combo with e5 1650 ( hope i can oc in this cheap mobo till 4Ghz ) with 16gb ram for 110 dollars . Keep up the good work m8 . Have a nice day :)
I've loved to see a RX580 hard working part with Flight Simulator. Awesome Polaris chip. I had a pair of Sapphire Nitro RX480 8Gb back in the day but I sold them in the mining fever times, haha.
To use nvme on pcie, the tip is put sata ssd over the mainboard connector and then install grub pointing to nvme operational system, it will slow boot time a bit but it will work
X58 boards from Asus support nvme drives on cards, they won't boot from them but you can use them for storage.
Sadly x58 does not perform well with modern console emulators. Most games in Dolphin and PCSX2 (haven't tried Cxbx-Reloaded or XQEMU due to their limited game compatibility) work fine but when you start to try games with Yuzu and RPCS3 the performance is barely playable for many games (Afterburner Climax runs fine though) and Xenia won't boot since the CPU is missing AVX instruction set. Great Video though, crazy to see that it still runs a lot of modern games well!
I have this motherboard and I LOVE IT.
Case: Fractal Pop Air (Green)
OS(s): Dual-boot Windows 7 64-bit and Windows XP 32-bit
CPU: Xeon X5680 (6 cores, 12 threads, 3.33 MHz)
RAM: 48 GB of DDR3 @ 1333 MHz
GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)
Sound: Audigy 2 ZS PCI
Storage: 1 TB SSD (boot), 2 TB SSD (games), 4 TB HDD (misc storage)
I hacked the TITAN X drivers so it works in both Windows 7 *and* Windows XP, and the Audigy 2 ZS also works in both. I do all my modern and retro GOG PC gaming on Windows 7, and I also have a DVI-to-RGB adapter on the TITAN X and a Trinitron CRT hooked-up as a secondary "monitor" so I can play retro console emulators on it. Then I do my retro XP gaming on, you guessed it, Windows XP. 🔥🔥
amazing video man been waiting for this for soo long
so i have the ASUS x58 series board with an intel 930 - nVidia 680 GTX - 24GB ram - an original machine i built. Love that setup and will keep it until it dies lol. great vid!
Hello. Is possible to overclock procesor on this mainboard in BCLK?
For me isn't possibile with i7 960 😢 on the asrock x58 deluxe oc function are most complete xeon w3690 runs well.
Isn't possibile adjust timmings and ddr3 max run's at 1333 😢
The big plus of X58 as far as I am concerned is it is the best option for native Windows XP support that means native install of XP on real hardware allows good compatability with older but still great Games.
Never to go on internet as I have other systems for that duty, With an Asus Rog Gene 3 Motherboard I also have sata 3 and native renasis chipset USB 3 and more can be added via a PCIE slot card and with this system I can use my old Soundbalster Sound card for it's old school Gameport as I have an old school all aluminium CH Joystick which is awesome based on the F16 Control Aircraft Joystick these were actually used by the USAF for Training simulators hence why I run an X58 system
Sad that Crysis Remastered dulled a few things down on textures and breaking up objects in the world
Actually "Very High original Crysis = Medium remastered Crysis". And the CPU were doing just fine in the case of the remastered game, it's the card that overloaded.
i am still rocking a X58 :P
X5650 oc 4.2
24GB oc from 1333 to 1850
GTX1070
850evo 500GB SSD
43inch 4k tv
EVGA X58 Classified motherboard :P
all water cooled and build into a desk, still going strong
Running a hp z400 lga1366 for the last 9 years. Got it 2nd hand really cheap. It has a w3690 (€55,-) for the last years. 20gb ram, and 2nd hand gtx 1070 (€250 3years back). You can put the turbo to 4ghz using Intel extreme tuning utility, only do not use the latest version as they dropped support for this cpu some time ago. Still a fine daily driver at 1920x1200 @ 60fps. Yes it does virtualization. This cpu also supports higher ram speeds. Bought 2 of the hp systems last year for people around me for only €125. You should undervolt the rx 580, it will run overclocked and still with less energy as stock to make it not get so hot and noisy.
Crysis Remastered is based on the console code which is blasphemy. There’s a lot of subtle and not so subtle degradations in the new release because of that. Super bummed.
My biggest beef is that they are proud of how crappily it runs.
here's a suggestion that could be interesting.
I recently took out my old socket FM1 board with an AMD A4-3400 APU, and I found it to be quite a capable little thing
It's a dual core CPU with onboard radeon hd 6410D, and it runs surprisingly cool
maybe you could get your hands on one and play around with it with some XP era retro gaming? you can actually overclock it with amd overdrive, and mine overclocked from 2.7ghz to 3.6ghz
It also crossfires super easily with a radeon hd 6450, if that's your thing, from what i remember, both should still be cheap nowadays even if older amd CPUs still fetch for a high price for whatever reason
I second that! Always wondered about the APUs in crossfire but because it made little sense when they were new the setup got panned. But maybe now that its a legacy platform it can find legs in retro enthusiast circles.
Only few drivers works fine in this type of rig sadly, but It was very interesting to had have hybrid crossfire with APUs
@@oscarc6210 maybe in windows 10 yeah, when i tried it there was some extreme screen tearing, but there's proper drivers for both cards in windows 7 and 8.1, for the more recent side of operating systems
i had to install the drivers for both on windows 10 via snappy driver installer, and then i had to manually install the catalyst software because it didn't install for whatever reason
I'm early adopter for CPGPU hybrid crossfire, I was using HD 3450 + HD 3200 (780G Chipset), there's not much game that could utilize it, the biggest issue with AMD is always the driver, second hurdle is the 64-bit memory bandwidth, the last one is the game/software itself. Crossfire with iGPU is not really worth the hassle or the money or the time, even worse if you want to dedicated it to play retro games, because none of these games can even utilize it or even recognize it.
@@lol123406 those apu driver has problem with windows 10, some local RUclipsr tested it here. Has to downgradr from 10 to 7
My E5645 runs on no brand koloe x58 motherboard for 1 year without any crash or blue screen. The downsides are fast ethernet and no usb3.
Phil, I would love to see you pull off a hard mod so you can increase the voltage on this board. Even if you don't, I'd like to see you overclock the unlocked CPU....melt this thing!
I won't ever be able to get rid of my x58 I think from around 2010. I upgraded from 6 GB ram in 3x2 sticks when it was built, to now using 6x8 GB - 48 GB ram on the Gigabyte x58 UD3R board. It has 4 spinning drives, and a 256 GB SSD. I upgraded to a GTX 970 years ago and gave the PC to my son. It still runs all the games well, and I just ordered a Xenon W3690 to replace the I7 930 it's been running, so I figure, maybe another 10 years! LOL
I should have a proper Gigabyte X58 board soon. Want to compare the value of used X58 vs buying such a new board.
Lovely Vid Phil. This looks like a easy windows XP PC bundle. Ryzen has really made a big splash in the tech world.
your videos are so helpful, thanks man!
Glad you like them!
A cheap HP Z400 or Lenovo S20 workstations are the best way to get into the X58 platform. If you can get a complete system for around 150 USD, including storage, that's not a bad deal for an old beast. But more than that isn't really worth it.
Have a Lenovo S20 it can be very picky with the RAM, max supported RAM is 24GB (4GB DDR3 1333 sticks max size, in each of their 6 slots) even when the Xeon supports ECC-RAM, MoBO BIOS say no, so you're stuck with only un-buffered non-ECC RAM only.
At the moment I'm bulding a DELL Optiplex 755 SFF, I'm still waiting for the modded Xeon X3363, snatched a Nvidia Quadro K600 SFF for cheap, and maxxed out the RAM with 8GB of DDR2 800, guess is gonna be a perfect Win7 retro-PC, Emulator-Station-HTPC.
@@Ferizu, I'm in Phil's boat and if there's a BIOS, I'll flash it. There were some incompatibilities during the late BIOS only day and early UEFI. For pre-built systems I always check the manufacturer qualified hardware to ensure compatibility. And RAM is always best when it's with matching modules. And that Optiplex is a sweet little machine.
Perhaps you could try installing the 5700XT in a second PCIe x16 slot, with your monitor plugged into a legacy GPU, and then use Windows 10's graphics options to select specific applications to use the 5700XT?
This is what I do with my DIY eGPU setup on my laptop.
I've upgraded my i7-930 last week (switched to Ryzen) and it was still a capable gaming machine with a GTX 1060
I think it doesn't make sense to buy it brand new in 2020. Buying 2011 platform would be better solution imo.
Manjaro gang gang
@@elsasslotharingen7507 manjaro gang! manjaro werks with x58 too!
9 year old electronics. What can go wrong?
i have x58 platform as my gaming rig since 2007!! I have a X5650@4ghz with 24gb ddr3-2000mhz with a Asus p6t deluxe v2 and a Asus gtx 1080 ti strix rog. I game in 4k at 50 to 70 fps.
I'm using a dx58so2 with an x5675 @ 4.5ghz and a Vega Pulse undervolted. It's still strong for 1440p high refresh and a very effective room heater ;D
If u have fun overclocking, this platform is going to sastisfy you
Impressive performance from such an old platform! Good job.
amazing! I knew I had like this vid phil! thank you so much bringing all these aliexpress contents (did a pc build last year thanks to your tips) when there's a huge sale there aaaaand I'm all outta money :(
There arent that many nvme ssds with legacy bios support such as the Samsung 950 Pro, BUT you may be able to use it if you are not going to boot from it, so you may want to test that.
Also there is something that is called DUET that people have been using to make nvme drives boot with boards with legacy bios, so you may want to check that out as well.
You can use TianoCore DUET to boot from the nvme devices on older platforms.
Hello phil,
Thanks for the Video. i am owner of x58/5520 based computer genuine Lenovo Thinkstation D20. The workstation came stock with Single Xeon x5660 processors and 24 gb RAM and Quadro 2000 Videocard. I flashed the BIOS tothe latest, installed 2 processors Xeon X5690 (maximum supported), Upgraded the ram to 96 gb 48 gb per CPU, DDR3 1333 ECC Registered multi-bit (error correcting, which is the maximum supported amount, maximum supported speed, maximum supported depth of error correction) and i upgraded the video card to Quadro p2200 and i do not have any bottlenecks. Nothing is holding my computer back. I use it as Digital Sound Recording and Sound Editing Workstation, with Windows 10 pro for Workstations ver21H1.
I do not mean to be rude or disrespectful, but i have knowledge on this system and how it works and I paid attention to MSI afterburner and noted MSI afterburner's readings while you presented Crisys Remastered. Based on the MSI Afterburner readings for Crysis Remastered, i believe you misjudged the system's performance, running Crisys remastered. MSI Afterburner showed 47% workload on the xeon X5675 CPU and 100% workload on the RX580 GPU. It was the GPU again that held the system back. I believe with decent GeForce GPU, the system as configured in your video should be able to go around 50 - 55 FPS on Crisys Remastered. On the other side of the coin the 16XPCIe is Gen 2, so being PCIe16x 2.0 this may hurt the performance, but seeing the CPU at 47% workload and GPU at 100% workload i don't think the PCIe bus is the issue.
Anyway, thanks for your videos, and time and effort. i appreciate it a lot and there is always new useful things i learn from your videos. Keep up the good work.
Best regards and best of luck.
Thanks for the feedback! I hope GPU prices improve again and I can buy something more capable...
I have a few 1366 systems i use for Boinc and my daily machine is a dell T7500 with an X5687 (quad core 3.6ghz) with a vega 56, works perfectly.
smaller coolers (like chipset one, and vrm one on X99-TF/F8) go very loud in year or two
Sata 2 and 3 have no difference in blind test, only in benches
I ran a X5675 at 3.8GHz for a good 3 years with no issues whatsoever. I was using a very high end motherboard though. But using Nehalem cores, the single core performance is very low, even at 3.8GHz.
To my mind there is no reasons to buy whole bundle (cpu+mobo+memory) 775/1156/1155/1150/1366/1356 and may be 1151v1(see QL2X) sockets nowadays as a modern PC. For the retro gaming/server/HTPC or something else - that is ok, but for the gaming - not. 2011 socket is the cheapest one for the gaming purposes, 2011v3 has the best ratio productivity/price.
I've got to say I've considered the HUAN boards for a while and I've found it to just not be worth it. You will see on a lot of these reviews some features just will not work, and sometimes you might not get the same revision as the reviewer if you order it a few weeks later. That means even if you're ok with skipping SLI or overclocking, you might get a board that has those, but voltage regulation or dual channel memory might not works etc.
I got myself a used GA-P55-UD5 on the LGA1156 socket with a Xeon X3470 and (2x2GB RAM that I will sell) from ebay for 50$. Everything works, all features, even after I washed the mobo (as shown by Tech Yes city), cause it was quite dirty. Fair enough, it's only SATA2, but I put two of my old 120GB SATA SSDs in Raid and it's decent performance. The 2.9 Ghz chip easily OCs to 3.9 and boosts to 4.2, using a Freezer 7 pro I had laying around from an old build. It also supports memory OC and all kinds of stuff... basically a really good board, despite being 10 years old or so.
thanks for this kind of content man
Yes please on the unlocked CPU Phil. I've built a few of these W3680 systems (on Asus mobos though, which I can buy in the UK for about £0-60) for gaming machines, but only used RX570/580s and GTX980s. Work very well TBH for not much cash. I do like the look of the X99 boards though!!
For overclock capable boards it's better to use X56** series CPUs. They can be overclocked via BCLK so there is no need for unlocked multiplier, and you get better performance because X58 likes high bus speed. Most of the time they are cheaper too and need less voltage for high clocks than W3680 (i7-980X) and W3690 (i7-990X). I've had a X5670 @ 4.4GHz on my Asus P6X58D-E since 2016. I use it at 22x200MHz.
For systems that can't be overclocked via BCLK the W3680 and W3690 are the best option.
@@Pasi123 I've done both, but find the BCLK tends to run really hot TBH. The W chips run much cooler and are good to 4.2 GHz without breaking sweat.
@@MrLukealbanese That's weird, I've always heard the opposite.
What voltage you use? X5670 and up should be better binned than the W3680/W3690
@@Pasi123 1.39 CPU, 1.9 PLL, qpi 1.263 on BCLK of 180 for an X5675
That's on a Gigabyte UD3. I'd like to get some settings from you if you can recommend some 😁😁
3090 works with x58
Tech Yes City just did some test
Still using my good old X58 system (EVGA Classified 3-way SLI / Xeon X5650 hexacore @4.5GHz / 12GB DDR3-2000 / 4 x X25-M 80GB in RAID-0) to run crap like Plex, Transmission, Pi-hole, Unbound, WireGuard, etc. Still pretty impressive for its age.
I think only NVME SSD that can boot in BIOS mode is Samsung 950 PRO. Booting other SSDs requires you to first boot CloverEFI and then selecting "windows boot manager". Of course you have to have Windows already installed on that drive.
I use a ASUS Sabertooth X58, paired with an overclocked X5690 and GTX 1650 Super, and I'm able to run just about every game on 1440P ultra settings at 144fps/hz. I'm honestly surprised it's held up this well, but unfortunately Intel is lacking with better platforms and solutions, which makes me lean towards Ryzen builds. You get the best bang for the buck with Ryzen processor's.
Does the gtx 1650 super uses any additional power supply?
X79 still is king!
idk if it helps but for anyone wondering the 5700/5700xt does work with Asus x58 motherboards with the Express Gate Setting enabled. I believe this series is an outlier .
That's good to know!
Very interesting
Excellent video as always.. Too bad the chinese X58 boards are limited and holding back the top performance of the platform, I have an old X58 Sabertooth board running a 5675 @ 4.5 GHz with 24 Gigs of memory running at 1800 MHz thanks to tips from Tech YES City and it has SATA 3 as well (not a great implementation of it but eh). It gets just over 1000 in Cinebench 15.
I am running a Supermicro X8SAX with XEON x5677 and 24gb ram for my main system, built in 2017. It has been a solid performer with 1050Ti in GTA5 but could not handle RDR2 with 1660 video upgrade, had to build a new system. It is an incredibly stable computer and very quick with SSD for the age!!!
1:54 There's "VT-x" enable on CPU active instructions, so, yes they have Virtualization function, also, X58 are my favorite platform all time, miss so much my old E5649 4.2GHz, but, actually, guess the "X79" 2011/1356 are the kings of budget...
Good video as always man :)
Very clear and honest review! Really thank you.. i'll buy this mobo right now ♥
My pc uses an i7 930 overclocked to 2.94 ghz and a Radeon rx 460 gpu with 14 gb 1333 mhz ddr3 ram. PC runs FH4 on ultra and both doom 2016 and eternal like a dream. Also GTA V runs ultra extremely well
I have an I7 950.. still runnning as a second pc.
It's pretty good for an daily driver it handles most thing's of today ''Yet im going to put a Xeon x5690 to extend its usage a'bit longer
Can it still game ?? Should I buy it in 2020 ??
@@praveenbhat5392 It certainly can all though u have to keep in mind that u should keep a Cpu and Gpu in balance
I wouldnt try anything higher then a 1070 perhaps a 1060 or 980ti and older gen cards u could overclock the cpu to get more overhead :)
@@hardwarechronicles9178 thnx a lot ..looks good to me .. I m casual gamer but edit a lot ..
Hi Phil,
Actually you can find Asus ou Gigabyte MB X58 with full OC possibilities for a little more than 70 euros so not much over this MB. However it looks that those board do not support ECC DDR3
Lol I'm just in the process of upgrading from a 2010 build w Asus sabretooth x58, i7 960, 24gb ram and this pops up on my feed! It first had an AMD hd6950 which got upgraded to a GTX 1060 a couple years ago. Only other upgrade was ssds in that time. Ole x58 has done well the last 10 or so years!
5:50 Huh, IIRC the last gpu by Nvidia that supports legacy os/bios is the Maxwell Titan X. Pairing that with this combo would make a pretty awesome Windows XP retro gaming machine.
Windows 7 64 bit
Asus P6T SE motherboard
i7 920 @ stock 2.66 GHz
I think 6gb ram
In 2022 💪💪💪
Still does what I need it to
Upgraded from radeon 4870 1gb to a NVIDIA 1060 and from 2x 1TB HDD in raid 0 to an SSD 3 years ago
I enjoy looking back at older products and how they perform today, nice Video! I wonder how an overclocked X79 (eg 3930k) would go with a high end GPU these days.
x5670 doesn't sing until you get it over 4ghz. I run one at 4.4ghz and it takes pretty much anything I can throw at it. Enough to keep my gtx 1070 well fed.
I got myself a w3670, but if it was today I'd get a x5670 as well. Probably about the same performance, but half of the (already low) price.
@@andremesq Both are a LOT of processor for the money. Generally unabused chips too since they're out of servers. X58 being a bit fickle with FSB overclocks, it took a bit of tweaking to get it stable at 4.4ghz, but now it's dialed in, I just save the profile and that's that.
I really dig the black with green accents look!
The Samsung 950 PRO SSD is the only NVME SSD that boots on any pre UEFI motherboard including this one.
I have a 950 PRO as a boot drive on my original ASUS X58 Motherboard and it just works without any hacks.
really nice review as always... thanks for the pcie ssd boot!
I've missed the graphs so much! I know that the channel is made for fun and I appreciate it, but if you cut include more comparison graphs it would be great. Cinebench is easy, I know. I also know that capturing reliable data from games isn't much fun, but if you could do it - that would be great, because I've seen so many of your recent videos and I always wonder why you are not putting the data that you already have for comparison. That is something I have seen in many of your older videos and I miss it.
Yea I can't do graphs with games, it takes too much time and I didn't collect this information with all the systems 😃
There are x58 boards that do use sata 3. The x58 5000 series amd problem is pretty well known. It actually an issue with later x58 chipset revisions as well as the server chipsets these boards use. Older x58 revision motherboards actually work fine. But then if you have an older board chances are no USB 3 or Sata 3. So x58 has tradeoffs. The limitations of the microcode ended up being what did mine in. I got a good deal on a vr rig and couldn't use it. These days I'm on an x99 machine been running it a couple years. Got a really good deal on all the components and am happy. But I do still enjoy the x58 machines and keep it as a backup.
I miss the crazy color combos the X58 mobos had. I remember the 990x CPUs were insane. Intel kinda messed up splitting their “high end” cpu range with their regular consumer cpu back in 2011 when they repressed sandy bridge E.
The platform was not gonna last when you can get fast CPU’s with sandy bridge, it made no sense for anyone to have an E series cpu.
I genuinely would like to see how well this board will overclock, but not as a serious look at legitimising the platform, just for fun!
I have two ASUS P6t Deluxe V2 mobos. One has a Xeon 6C/12T and the other a 980X. I have had one since new. Awesome boards. Slap in a PCIe SATA 3/USB 3 and you can put in an m.2 on a PCIe slot. Can't boot from it unless the card has a BIOS, but load the games there and ROCK AND ROLL!!!
Hey Phil! I've been watching your content for 2-3 years now and I've loved every second. So, thank you. I had a question. I've got an HP Z440 workstation w/ an E5- 2620 V3 16GB DDR4 and an RX 580 8 GB. I was wondering if there's a way to mod the BIOS of these machines to manually set the CPU speeds in a similar way to to the Chinese motherboards. Thanks!
At the beggining of the PhilsComputerLab channel was high end retro computer parts and games, now retro cheap newschool computer parts.
I understand you don't have you Mercedes yet?
The bios always let's these motherboards down.
Ami bios editor is also a thing. Half the time they lock down the bios because they dont want people using features that could kill the board, even if they work, as these were only meant for the Chinese market, and they actually do honor the warranties over there
I wonder if any bios modders can add UEFI and unlock memory stuff on this board?
@@stonent UEFI boot? Thats already a thing. Memory timings and the like? probably, as this uses the same rom chip as the high end huananzhi x99 boards.
@pcx pcx depends on your cooling and baord revision. The x99 high end boards are made SPECIFICALLY for bios modding (the x99 TF, F8, & T8), and so is this board if google translate did its job correctly for me when talking to a huananzhi rep on their forums. The main limitation is the hard power limit that is instated by the bios itself that limits the powerdraw to 220w.
Reason I even went that far is I just bought this board for a homelab/cluster.
And I plan on doing some intel SDE incorperation into a windows boot. So far, I can make it the first non essential boot item, but I havent gotten windows to recognize it as a direct asset for acceleration.
I have a Supermicro serverboard with a modified BIOS running 2 Xeon 5670 and 96 GB RAM, along with a RX580... runs like a beast with my applications. Might try a RTX2070 if i happen to pick up one at a descent price.
very much doubt that an RTX card of any sort would run on an X58 chipset. you will need a uefi bios.