And yet, it was complete incorrect. If they were to go public without knowing what the actual situation was, there would be panic. If they went public once they verified it, there would be panic. If they went public after they verified it wasn't Mad Cow and everything was ok, there would be panic. In nearly all those instances, the dominoes fall. The only way to avoid panic is to wait until the result is negative. Then say nothing.
@@luvshak3095 I actually agree with CJ. As opposed to something like what we all lived thru, bad beef can be avoided by the consumer. And the Internet did exist when this show was out and even then there was the guys who posted stuff like this. It would've gotten out and would have been seen as secretive. It might've worked in other countries, but Americans have always been critical of their governments.
@@Mark-ke1rjfunny isn't it. Trump made a lot of statements how Obama should be charged for actions he undertook while President but when it came to his actions he stated anything he did was legal.
I like the tick tock of the clock there at the end. Subtlely emphasizing the urgency of the issue. Such a great choice in either editing, directing, writing, whatever inspired it.
Was the CJ line about how people stopped trusting government when the government stopped trusting the people cut out or am I misremembering it and it's from a different episode? It's always been one of my favorite moments of hers in the show.
Tell that to the UK beef industry. Understand that Piron diseases like CJD/BSE *cannot* be reliably diagnosed before the symptoms become terminal. One cow might die, but the whole herd could be infected. And if any meat was sold, either for human or livestock consumption, anyone or anything who ate it *could* be infected. And the only way anyone would know, is when their brains start turning to Swiss cheese, anywhere from days to years later.
Yeah. If the White House confirmed a case of Mad Cow today, millions of Americans would say it's a liberal conspiracy to get people to go Vegetarian and would eat steak for every meal in "protest".
Did he? I coulda sworn it was only a year or 2 earlier (1998ish) that Oprah got into a big legal battle with cattlers in the West for millions for just even SUGGESTING the possibility of madcow coming to US on one of her shows. It's only recently that americans have gotten so used to recalls for food that it lessened the fear of madcow, when even the lettuce, onions, and tomatoes can be and has been tainted.
Coulda woulda. French health minister in the early 00's got crucified for wasting 200 million on enough antiviral doses for the whole country to be stockpiled if the Asian bird flu went global pandemic. It didn't and she was smashed for it. Do nothing and let it happen, get smashed for it. In the end if the truth get out that you knew but said nothing you will be bashed because of it, and if you did what you could with the information available, history in the following decades will generally end up recognising you did the right thing.
President Bartlet: So paint a picture for me, would you? Leo: I like the little things, the way a glass feels in your hand, a good glass, thick with a heavy base. I love the sound an ice cube makes when you drop it from just the right height. Too high and it'll chip when you drop it. Chip the ice and it'll melt too fast in the Scotch. President Bartlet: All that's left is personal behavior and bad luck, and I'm not responsible for either one. Leo: The problem is, I don't want a drink, I want ten drinks. President Bartlet: Alright, that's what we'll do then.
In the current political climate, liberals would shun beef products like they were toxic, while conservatives would vigorously defend their right to eat tainted beef. The actual chance of getting mad cow disease from consuming beef products would be lost in the commotion.
The chance of getting covid was juuuuuust a little bit higher than the chance of getting mad cow would be. "Liberals" were correct in taking it seriously.
For all of Leo's bluster about how doomed the beef industry is and the knock-on effect it'll have in the rest of the economy, this plot line literally never comes up again. Maybe it means that the test was a false positive after all, but they sure made this crisis seem important... for exactly one episode.
West Wing often didn't follow-up on things that should have had more impact. Remember when the banned soft money in season one and then had a whole debate about whether to use it in season three? Or when they complained the Supreme Court was all moderates despite the grueling fight to put Mendoza on the bench? Heck, they passed a cap-and-trade bill as the B-plot of one episode.
@@Jurgan6 This right here was the big failing of The West Wing. Don't get me wrong. I love this show. But while tons of things go across the President's desk on the daily and his staff deal with even more, stuff like cap and trade, as well as the ban on soft money would've taken months and possibly could've been one of big things that take up an entire Presidential cycle.
@@hunterg24 the reason, I think, is that they wanted to keep the show relevant to the current day and comment on real issues. But that inadvertently had the effect of saying that a country run by the Bartlet administration wouldn’t be that different from one run by George W. Bush.
Mad Cow and Foot and Mouth disease were great for Australian farmers. As a disease free country the Japanese would pay through the nose for our Beef and you couldn't pay them to eat American. Who at the time were the other big exporter to Japan.
I like the decision at the end. Lower level - not Lawmaker level. It was a family thing. Possible ancestry. How on earth did it become a genetics thing? Oh one last thing the current President of The Heritage (sic) Foundation - you will not win. Kevin Roberts in one case at least. Equilibrium is mentioned in this VT's script. 3 minutes 40 seconds in. The Equals and Come Back. Asked and answered. Retained and coherent.
Law Suits and Drycleaners. A joke then. A Man took his tan suit into a Washington DC Dry Cleaners and it was returned to him as white and watered. Okay. Half a bad joke. I am not saying it didn't make sense. I am fed up with chunks of time being chopped off of our time waiting for the small compensation of saying WE TOLD YOU SO!
Our citizens get all crazy about one potential infected cow or one case of a home falling into a sinkhole or a kid being buried in a hole in the sand at the beach, but they go “meh” at the latest mass shooting by an AR15. Often it is the same ones who sue the next person who are the ones who don’t want to take responsibility for themselves.
@@firstname4337 Why you would assume people would just mindlessly panic? CJ's entire point was to trust in people by treating them like adults, give them information, don't exaggerate, don't underplay it.
Love West Wing and the people that created it. Of course it is all fiction, as most great story telling is. But for a moment, if you will, imagine any moment during his Presidency in which Donald Trump would have had an exchange like this with his closest advisors.
If we're comparing fictional television shows to real world scenarios then let's imagine for a moment that there's a young woman in a white stained blue dress sitting on her knees under president Bartlet's desk believing she has to perform additional services for a man she respects and who is abusing that respect to an astonishingly immoral degree. If you're looking for morality , ethics or even general decency , the oval office under any administration is not the best place to look. At least not in the last several decades.
@@megtravers327 so they can see the potential damage of forcing everyone to follow their habits; leaving multiple industry sectors jobless and devastating consequences on the economy
@40950999 Farmers in England during the early days of WWII were told to plow up pasture land to plant potatoes and other vegetable crops. The other agricultural industries didn't die off with a reduction in meat production. And who do you think would be eating all the corn and soybeans if meat was either off the table or limited? Those farmers would adapt. They always have.
@@antonbruce1241 I'm about as far left as anyone, and I eat meat quite frequently. It's probably not good that I do, but there's only so much time in the day.
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"In a crisis, people should feel like soldiers, not victims."
Wow, I really appreciate that line.
And yet, it was complete incorrect. If they were to go public without knowing what the actual situation was, there would be panic. If they went public once they verified it, there would be panic. If they went public after they verified it wasn't Mad Cow and everything was ok, there would be panic. In nearly all those instances, the dominoes fall.
The only way to avoid panic is to wait until the result is negative. Then say nothing.
@@luvshak3095 I actually agree with CJ. As opposed to something like what we all lived thru, bad beef can be avoided by the consumer. And the Internet did exist when this show was out and even then there was the guys who posted stuff like this. It would've gotten out and would have been seen as secretive. It might've worked in other countries, but Americans have always been critical of their governments.
"You've been working on other stuff too, right?" By Josh is priceless
Jed’s yea is funny too
"Something we've never worried about before, we're wondering when the next case is going to happen." That reminds me of something.
Can't quite put my finger on it.
Wanna figure it out over a corona?
I still ain’t worried
@@kneeshots470 I had COVID last week. Avoiding all my older relatives.
Each line better than the next. People don’t speak like this. But it is something to aspire to.
I miss the days when hamburgers were everyday 99¢ things.
Grand Jury Drycleaning: Suits Washed, Served, Pressed, and Dismissed
😂😂😂
"I don't blame this woman for suing me. I'm not a king, and I don't think the law should treat me like one." Hmmmmm... (stares intently at SCOTUS)
apples and oranges.
@@Mark-ke1rjThe apple actually cares about America
@@Mark-ke1rjhahahahaha HOW
@@Mark-ke1rjfunny isn't it. Trump made a lot of statements how Obama should be charged for actions he undertook while President but when it came to his actions he stated anything he did was legal.
How I wish for President Bartlett...
Perfect timing for this clip.
actually the timing would have been 4 years ago
@@firstname4337except for that line, "...I'm not a King and I don’t think the law should treat me like one."
@@amsivertson Still applicable to the situation, since we have someone of the opposite opinion.
@@Isaic02 really not sure what point you're trying to make... but okay sure.
I like the tick tock of the clock there at the end. Subtlely emphasizing the urgency of the issue. Such a great choice in either editing, directing, writing, whatever inspired it.
"I think they can hear you, they're standing right in front of you..."
Not sure why that line gets me like it did
Imagine living in a time when you would expect people to act in their own best interest when faced with a public health crisis.
CJ's speech at the end, that's why she qualified for Chief of Staff later on in that hurricane episode as well
He agreed with her argument over Toby.
Sovereign immunity... LOL
I'm not a king, and i don't think the law should treat me like one....................umm....yeah.
Yeah, that aged well until July 1st 2024
Yeah that little line buried in the dialogue sure hits a little differently now…
@@Buasop The Court ruled that the President had absolute immunity from civil damages suits in 1982.
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2:48
@@ShankarSivarajanStealing classified documents and selling them to enemy nations aren’t “civil damages”.
All cliches are true..."The most costly disruptions...ALWAYS happen when something we take COMPLETELY for granted stops working for a minute".
That's not a cliche.
@@genghisgalahad8465 How do you figure?
And none of that panic happened when it did. Kudos to the FDA.
I like CJ's argument. Makes sense.
Now imagine these guys chuckling while they discuss the dire scenario...real life, right now.
Except it ain't beef, it's poultry.
Wait, what
@@jesusthroughmary H5N1 bird flu.
Was the CJ line about how people stopped trusting government when the government stopped trusting the people cut out or am I misremembering it and it's from a different episode? It's always been one of my favorite moments of hers in the show.
CJ is great but this scene really illustrates why I love her.
I look at this and I look at how it's actually happening in Washington, and all I can do is shake my head.
The dominoes don’t end on this.
Sorkin might have exaggerated the public's response to a case of mad cow's disease here a little bit 😅
Tell that to the UK beef industry. Understand that Piron diseases like CJD/BSE *cannot* be reliably diagnosed before the symptoms become terminal. One cow might die, but the whole herd could be infected. And if any meat was sold, either for human or livestock consumption, anyone or anything who ate it *could* be infected.
And the only way anyone would know, is when their brains start turning to Swiss cheese, anywhere from days to years later.
Yeah. If the White House confirmed a case of Mad Cow today, millions of Americans would say it's a liberal conspiracy to get people to go Vegetarian and would eat steak for every meal in "protest".
Did he? I coulda sworn it was only a year or 2 earlier (1998ish) that Oprah got into a big legal battle with cattlers in the West for millions for just even SUGGESTING the possibility of madcow coming to US on one of her shows. It's only recently that americans have gotten so used to recalls for food that it lessened the fear of madcow, when even the lettuce, onions, and tomatoes can be and has been tainted.
Not for when it was a new thing! They really didn’t know what they were dealing with up front.
Coulda woulda. French health minister in the early 00's got crucified for wasting 200 million on enough antiviral doses for the whole country to be stockpiled if the Asian bird flu went global pandemic. It didn't and she was smashed for it.
Do nothing and let it happen, get smashed for it. In the end if the truth get out that you knew but said nothing you will be bashed because of it, and if you did what you could with the information available, history in the following decades will generally end up recognising you did the right thing.
President Bartlet: So paint a picture for me, would you?
Leo: I like the little things, the way a glass feels in your hand, a good glass, thick with a heavy base. I love the sound an ice cube makes when you drop it from just the right height. Too high and it'll chip when you drop it. Chip the ice and it'll melt too fast in the Scotch.
President Bartlet: All that's left is personal behavior and bad luck, and I'm not responsible for either one.
Leo: The problem is, I don't want a drink, I want ten drinks.
President Bartlet: Alright, that's what we'll do then.
Sounds like Leo would have been a good candidate for The Sinclair Method.
(A treatment for alcoholism that works reeeeeeeally well for some people.)
In the current political climate, liberals would shun beef products like they were toxic, while conservatives would vigorously defend their right to eat tainted beef. The actual chance of getting mad cow disease from consuming beef products would be lost in the commotion.
The chance of getting covid was juuuuuust a little bit higher than the chance of getting mad cow would be. "Liberals" were correct in taking it seriously.
Nope. A liberal here in Calabasas California and now I’m craving a Double Western Bacon Cheeseburger from Carls!
"You cannot infringe on a citizen's right to consume a mad cow diseased burger."🤣🤣🤣
Dudes would be spraining their jaws chewing on raw steak
What about the people that are naturally immune to mad cow disease?
I don't know what it is, but CJ looked exceedingly attractive here.
"The law doesn't treat me like a king, although for the moment i wouldn't mind" well clearly Bartlet should've put Roberts on the bench.
Really? Where did you get your Juris Doctor Princeton?
@@cameltanker1286 Probably Harvard...and quite recently I would think...
@@antonbruce1241 More likely out of box of Cracker Jack.
So I assume you'rd good with the families of the American citizens Obama decided to vaporize with drone strikes getting his Netflix money?
Watch 3:07 with the US COVID response in mind.
Is these scenes with CJ which is why she was always the obvious candidate for chief of staff.
What are the “99 cent” things?
Is there no US Department of Agriculture that would handle something like this?
Yes, but as it's also a matter of public health, H&HS would take point for the general public.
This is beginning to sound very familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on it..... 🤔
I don’t know. Mad Cow hasn’t been an issue for many years.
Clearly SCOTUS disagrees with Sorkin take on how a president should be treated under the law.
For all of Leo's bluster about how doomed the beef industry is and the knock-on effect it'll have in the rest of the economy, this plot line literally never comes up again. Maybe it means that the test was a false positive after all, but they sure made this crisis seem important... for exactly one episode.
West Wing often didn't follow-up on things that should have had more impact. Remember when the banned soft money in season one and then had a whole debate about whether to use it in season three? Or when they complained the Supreme Court was all moderates despite the grueling fight to put Mendoza on the bench? Heck, they passed a cap-and-trade bill as the B-plot of one episode.
@@Jurgan6 This right here was the big failing of The West Wing. Don't get me wrong. I love this show. But while tons of things go across the President's desk on the daily and his staff deal with even more, stuff like cap and trade, as well as the ban on soft money would've taken months and possibly could've been one of big things that take up an entire Presidential cycle.
@@hunterg24 the reason, I think, is that they wanted to keep the show relevant to the current day and comment on real issues. But that inadvertently had the effect of saying that a country run by the Bartlet administration wouldn’t be that different from one run by George W. Bush.
Mad Cow and Foot and Mouth disease were great for Australian farmers. As a disease free country the Japanese would pay through the nose for our Beef and you couldn't pay them to eat American. Who at the time were the other big exporter to Japan.
Why isn't 'Murica like this TV show? -C
Why wouldn't the USDA handle this?
I like the decision at the end. Lower level - not Lawmaker level.
It was a family thing. Possible ancestry. How on earth did it become a genetics thing?
Oh one last thing the current President of The Heritage (sic) Foundation - you will not win.
Kevin Roberts in one case at least.
Equilibrium is mentioned in this VT's script. 3 minutes 40 seconds in.
The Equals and Come Back.
Asked and answered. Retained and coherent.
i eat Beef everyday. Its great for the human body
Same here
Law Suits and Drycleaners. A joke then.
A Man took his tan suit into a Washington DC Dry Cleaners and it was returned to him as white and watered.
Okay. Half a bad joke.
I am not saying it didn't make sense. I am fed up with chunks of time being chopped off of our time waiting for the small compensation of saying WE TOLD YOU SO!
Pork burgers!
2:30 Well that line ages well in this the year of our nightmare 2024...
...and then we got Covid!!
This show would be so different today with the latest Supreme Court decision.
Toby and C.J. are both right and both wrong (shout out to Bruno).
Tĥe Trump administration has convinced me CJ was wrong.
hmm..covid..hmmhmmm
Bartlett was wrong about car deaths. Unsafe road design was in the DNA of traffic engineers for decades, and has never been seriously addressed.
Antivaxxers should watch this.
Our citizens get all crazy about one potential infected cow or one case of a home falling into a sinkhole or a kid being buried in a hole in the sand at the beach, but they go “meh” at the latest mass shooting by an AR15. Often it is the same ones who sue the next person who are the ones who don’t want to take responsibility for themselves.
CJ was absolutely right.
no, she wasn't -- you don't cause a panic and a stock market crash on a possibility
@@firstname4337 Why you would assume people would just mindlessly panic? CJ's entire point was to trust in people by treating them like adults, give them information, don't exaggerate, don't underplay it.
@@hellohellohellohellohello-h5l History. People panic.
THe American hamburger is actually a Danish invention. Since 1895, Louis' Lunch in New Haven, CT . But hey call it American, if you want.
Hold on, that "CT" does stand for Connecticut, doesn't it? Or is there a "New Haven" somewhere in Denmark as well? 🤨
Love West Wing and the people that created it. Of course it is all fiction, as most great story telling is. But for a moment, if you will, imagine any moment during his Presidency in which Donald Trump would have had an exchange like this with his closest advisors.
If we're comparing fictional television shows to real world scenarios then let's imagine for a moment that there's a young woman in a white stained blue dress sitting on her knees under president Bartlet's desk believing she has to perform additional services for a man she respects and who is abusing that respect to an astonishingly immoral degree.
If you're looking for morality , ethics or even general decency , the oval office under any administration is not the best place to look. At least not in the last several decades.
Vegetarians should watch this episode
Why? They don't eat meat
@@megtravers327 so they can see the potential damage of forcing everyone to follow their habits; leaving multiple industry sectors jobless and devastating consequences on the economy
@40950999 Farmers in England during the early days of WWII were told to plow up pasture land to plant potatoes and other vegetable crops. The other agricultural industries didn't die off with a reduction in meat production. And who do you think would be eating all the corn and soybeans if meat was either off the table or limited? Those farmers would adapt. They always have.
Trump is a joke
Imagine if this was the Trump administration and it was something more serious....like a pandemic.
This clip had Donald Trump written all over it but he would have done the exact opposite.
If this were to happen here today....the left would be ecstatic! They would LOVE to be able to outlaw beef!!!!
No, and don't think you have a monopoly on eating meat. I'll have my steak medium thank you very fucking much.
@@GamerKatz_1971 Nice of you to COMPLETELY misread what I wrote. Are you a Biden voter????
@@antonbruce1241 Asked as if that were an insult. Are you a Trump voter? LOL Now THAT's an insult.
@@antonbruce1241 I'm about as far left as anyone, and I eat meat quite frequently. It's probably not good that I do, but there's only so much time in the day.
Get help,
First