I’ve played with people that every fairway stroke they pick their ball up to identify it. Even if making it the ball first it never seems to be replaced as deep in the grass after being picked-up and replaced as where it originally laid when found. Constantly improving their lay, but apparently within the rules.
I really appreciate videos like these. Attention to details is something I love and I enjoyed learning more about seemingly small details about the game.
Loved the video. One thing on nearest point of relief that should have been mentioned is that it can be totally different if you're right or left handed. I the case given, a left handed person would have been on the green side of the cart path.
I looked at what "Thunda watch" said in reply to a comment on this subject. "Thunda'" said the nearest "reference point" of relief in this circumstance, should be identified using the club that is intended to be used for the stroke. The one club-length area of relief is then measured using the longest club in the bag. I believe, then one may change which club will be used to play the stroke.
About the lost ball, although you can’t declare it “lost”, you always have the option to declare it “unplayable”, especially when you are familiar with the course, knowing you won’t be able to play from that given position. So, you can immediately play another ball, if you decide not to go and search for it.
Hello Jonathan - yes, many clubs will adopt a Local Rule for preferred lies (often called Winter rules ) to help with the fair playing of the game outside of the main season. Here is the sample Local Rule for this from The R&A's website. As you can see, clubs are able to specify the relief area, but nearly all that we've played at have been 6 inches. Hope this helps... Model Local Rule E-3 "When a player's ball lies in a part of the general area cut to fairway height or less [or identify a specific area such as 'on the fairway of the 6th hole'], the player may take free relief once by placing the original ball or another ball in and playing it from this relief area: Reference Point: Spot of the original ball. Size of Relief Area Measured from Reference Point: [Specify size of relief area, such as one club-length, one scorecard length or 6 inches] from the reference point, but with these limits: Limits on Location of Relief Area: Must not be nearer the hole than the reference point, and Must be in the general area. In proceeding under this Local Rule, the player must choose a spot to place the ball and use the procedures for replacing a ball under Rules 14.2b(2) and 14.2e.
My club has declared all gardens are to be treated as GUR, hence a free relief drop. My question is; if having taken my nearest point of relief drop, the overhanging branches of a tree which is within that garden interferes with my swing am I entitled to further free relief? Your rules videos are great.
No, the tree isn't what you wanted relief from. It is possible for the nearest "free relief" to be in a bunker, in a bush, behind a tree trunk or any other terrible/unplayable location. In your circumstance you have to either play from the garden, play under the tree or take further penalty relief.
One I always see is when putting in a scramble. First person misses say a birdie put and taps in a par, and then the second person goes for their team's birdie.
Rules of golf do not address "scramble" games. That is a manufactured format and the rules about putting can be whatever the tournament organizer allows.
When you marked the spot with a tee to identify your ball you slid it in behind the ball on a angle chances are when you removed the tee your ball could have easily moved …is that trouble or would you just replace it ?
Should of also talked a bout the cart path relief is different if you are a left handed or right handed , in your example looks like a left handed golfers closest point of relief may of been to the right on the short grass.
I've been looking everywhere for a definitive answer to this question... What constitutes the golf ball moving when removing loose impediments. I removed some twigs near my ball and it "jiggled" without moving from its spot. Does that constitute a nice and therefore a penalty?
Whatever...the 30 handicapper I’m behind on Saturday morning should read all the rules and CAREFULLY consider ALL POSSIBLE OPTIONS! No hurry...we will wait...chunk...repeat...drop...chunk...repeat! It’s great fun to watch as my back muscles stiffen over the 45 minutes between shots!
Hello gents, in your last example regarding the inability to simply declare a ball "lost" without looking for it - in such an instance am I correct in assuming that a player would not have the right at all to pick it up - ie the first ball must wholly be abandoned if one hits their second shot without specifically declaring it to be their provisional?
Very clarifying video. It does leave me with one question to which I probably know the answer already, just want to make sure. If you play your 2nd ball from the tee I assume it is automatically stroke 2, right?
If your tee shot is lost and you tee up another one, you're actually hitting shot #3. It's a 1 shot penalty stroke. I always think of it this way... When counting my strokes for a hole, I count the action of putting the ball down with my hand as a stroke.
Why is the nearest point of relief on the far side of the cart path? Isn't the nearest point of relief where the ball would be dropped or where your feet have taken relief from the cart path no nearer the hole? It seems to me that would have been on the green side of the cart path to the right since the ball was closer to that side when it was on the cart path.
EXCELLENT Review How about rules for water hazard, unplayable lie and casual water. A good video would be weird events in golf like ball stuck in flag, playing the wrong ball, hitting another ball by mistake, hitting equipment, and any other unusual stuff that could occur on the course. Again, excellent video
Teeing up at the wrong box is more likely than teeing up over the line. My marker hit off from the ‘tiger’ tee instead of the regular tee on the 17th. He called it himself. Even though he was 10 metres further back, still took his 2 strokes like the champ he is.
Back in high school, I did a maneuver where I took relief from the cart path, to a bench, to a sprinkler head, and then the lie I wanted. I was not called for it, but it seems I should of been disqualified when I turned in my scorecard, since you literally have to find the nearest point of " *RELIEF* " and not play a game of "Connect the Dots" till you get the lie you want.
You did nothing wrong. Each time you take relief, you must take complete relief from that particular obstruction. If taking proper relief from a cart path results in obstruction somewhere else, you then follow the procedures to take relief from the new obstruction.
In this instruction, Jezz says that when taking free relief from a path the player must use the club that is to be used to play the stroke. However, in the rules definitions, a Club Length is the longest club in the bag other than the putter. Otherwise, the longest club could be a broomstick putter. My recollection of the Rules prior to 1st January 2019 was that a player must use the club that would be used to play the shot. I have not found any statement in the current Rules that says the club used for measurement must be the club intended to make the stroke. Is my understanding incorrect?
With regards to the "nearest point of relief... is that the point with relief closest to where your ball came to rest? If so, is there not potentially two places depending on whether you are a left of right hand golfer?
When you dropped off the path. You didn’t use nearest point of relief. Surely as your ball was only a few inches from the edge of the path hole side, you should drop the ball hole side but in a direction further from hole. You have actually dropped the ball on other side of the path much further from nearest point?
Looking at the rules as the sand in a bunker is the bunker and the face of a bunker is classed I think as in the general area, if you declare it unplayable is the nearest point of relief within the bunker or can you take it back in line with the flag as far as you like behind the bunker ( some of them are huge) for a one shot penalty? Or could the nearest point of full relief be no nearer the hole in a lateral direction. I found this difficult to interpret from the small rules book. Thanks for any clarification.
Ian - thanks for your query. We actually ran pretty much this question in the reader query pages of the mag a few months ago. The one thing you can't do is drop in the bunker, but I've cut and pasted the piece below with the answer from our contact at The R&A... that final spot if you can't get the ball to stay in the relief are when dropping twice or placing twice could be lateral depending on where the ball was in relation to the general area. Hope this helps... Question: What is the new embedded ball rule when a ball is embedded in a revetted bunker face and what if the ball won’t stay in the relief area? Answer: Unless otherwise stated in the Local Rules, a revetted face above a bunker is part of the general area and you would be entitled to relief if the ball was embedded under Rule 16.3b. If you can physically drop the ball into the identified relief area but it rolls into the bunker when dropping in the right way, you must try again. If this happens when dropping a second time, you must place the ball on the spot where the ball first touched the ground on the second drop. If the placed ball does not stay at rest on that spot, you must try placing a ball on that spot a second time. If the placed ball does not stay on this spot, then you must find the nearest spot where it will come to rest in the general area.
@@GolfMonthly Ian didn't say the ball was embedded. He was asking about declaring the ball unplayable, in which case the ball could be dropped in the bunker under penalty. 19.2b
@@davidgrieve3761 True, "nearest point of relief" has no meaning when a ball is declared unplayable. The reference point for an unplayable ball is the exact location of the ball when it is declared unplayable.
Yes. Relief is optional, not mandatory for cart paths and most immovable obstructions. Sometimes a relief may be mandatory to protect GUR or young plantings, etc.
Is it fair to say that if you announce that you’re playing a provisional ball that you don’t get to hit it immediately but must wait for all others in the group to tee off before hitting your second shot ?
If you hit a ball into an undesirable lie, you can decide right then and there to take stroke and distance, and forget about the original ball, instead of playing a provisional ball. If you do play a provisional ball, and then find the original ball, then the provisional ball must be abandoned. You can't decide then to keep the provisional ball and abandon the original ball (i.e. to "unfind" the ball). If you want to take stroke and distance then, you have to go back to the previous spot and hit again. But with the original ball found, you may have other options, such as unplayable ball relief.
I do not understand lost ball rule. I say provisional a ball can be found. Dont say provisional and just hit another ball I can play my second ball which will exclude the ball I figured was unplayable? It comes across to me not to say provisional at all if you think the shot is lost?
I see that infraction quite often watching videos where a player who hit a provisional will find their ball buried and decide to play the provisional ball…good to know I can now talk smack about them 😂😂😂
Played yesterday..lots of brown autumn leave. A players ball gors out in penalty area, and the ball is covered in leaves. We found the ball, he proceeded to clear the leaves behind the ball, in his swing path. Was that legal?
Yes. "Without penalty, a player may remove a loose impediment anywhere on or off the course, and may do so in any way (such as by using a hand or foot or a club or other equipment)." (Rule 15.1a)
So I am still a little confused on a provisional ball...you still have to mark the stroke penalties for the lost ball correct? it is not like the friendly mulligan rules
I was having a discussion with a friend, he said in your may/june issues there was a rule discussed that on the tee'ing area if you hit the ball but it does not leave the tee'ing area you can retee your ball without penalty and make your drive again ,is this the case ? thanks in advance of your answer
Struggling to find that in those issues, but by chance, we are running pretty much that query in the next issue we're working on in relation to an airshot one person in a foursomes pairing made on the tee. The answer is that whenever your ball is in the teeing area of the hole you are playing you may retee it, but the stroke you made at it originally would still count in your score. And don't forget that the 'teeing area' is not the whole of the teeing block you are playing from but rather a precisely defined rectangle two club-lengths deep from the front and outer extremities of whatever tee markers are being used. Hope that helps.
RE nearest point of relief. I always thought the nearest point of relief in your cart path example would have been from the side of the path where the ball is but no closer to the hole, not all the way back behind the cart path?
The nearest point of complete relief for where the ball was lying was where we dropped it. To drop it on the hole side not nearer the hole we would have had to go much further away from where it was lying
@@GolfMonthly hard to see that from the camera angle. From our view it is reasonable to question whether the nearest point of relief would have been closer to where the fellow on the right was standing. You've further complicated this by only giving the obvious example of the incorrect assumption that someone would "want" to drop on the hole side of the path by moving forward and to the left which is clearly closer to the hole. Again from where the ball lay on the path a more thorough review of where the nearest point of relief would be was necessary and also would have been really useful to the audience. If I had this scenario in a match I certainly would have measured this up.
I had a putt of 8 inches, the flag stick was leaning towards the ball so I pulled it out and rested it on my shoulder and putted out because I didn't want to bend down to pick it up. I was told you can't do that but I have searched the rules and can't find the answer. Please help me!
When does the 3 minutes of "looking for your ball" begin? I could say I've been looking for it since I hit it. It can't have anything to do with being in the vicinity of the lost ball coz if it's lost how do you know if you're in the vicinity? Not knowing if you're in the vicinity is kind of the definition of being lost. And exactly how big is a vicinity anyway?
How do you know where to search for the ball if you have no idea of the vicinity? Your question is silly. And yes, the 3 minutes begins when you start searching in the vicinity of where it is likely lost.
So when taking relief from a path you use the club you will use to play? Not a driver. Bit confusing. Also if a player puts their ball infront of the tee markers is it best to tell them then?
Sally - you should use the club you will be playing the next stroke with to take the stance that will determine your nearest point of complete relief and then measure the relief area out using the longest club in your bag that day other than your putter. And yes, you would hope that 99% of golfers would, of course, tell someone they were about to tee off in front of the markers
Golf Monthly in other words the longer the club,usually the wider your feet will be in the stance which will influence the position of the nearest point of (full) relief.
I work at a golf course, I have witnessed players walk into the woods, get their ball and drop it in the fairway! Should I notify the Marshal to have the players removed or shot them myself?
That's what I was thinking. Obviously tournament rules, but they treat this like "this is how you play golf"... my rules: ready golf, play the ball up everywhere, how many mulligans? Lol
Actually playing with someone who is 'a bit hazy' on the rules can be a complete pain in the bum. If things are done correctly no one can have any complaints
There are always different types of friends who play differently so if they are your friends you should know who they are and play accordingly. As for myself I always play by the rules but again if your group of friends allow for free relief for a better lie, I take advantage of that. Just like I have friends who play from red tees because they are older and I don't like to since I am a single handicap but since I drop money for skins, greenies (closest to the pin on par 3's) and low net, I play the same tees and they don't complain. I look at it as tuning my short game. When I play at a muni golf course and join up with players also on standby, I don't care how they play, I just play my game and by the rules.
Using the club you're going to play shot with to measure point of relief is now defunked now I think? All relief is allowed with longest club excluding a long putter (ie driver) ? 🤔
Hello there Dan - the distinction between determining the nearest point of complete relief (as it is now known) and then measuring out the relief area remains. The former should still be done using the club you would use for the next stroke (this from Definitions in the Rules: "Estimating this reference point requires you to identify the choice of club, stance, swing and line of play you would have used for that stroke."). From this reference point, you then measure out the one or two club-lengths permitted for the relief area using the longest club you are carrying that day other than the putter.
You replace the ball at its original spot (Rule 7.4), which "includes its vertical location relative to the ground" (Rule 14.2c). However, the original lie has been altered, so you'll have to use Rule 14.2d(2), which says to place the ball "on the nearest spot with a lie most similar to the original lie" (within 1 club-length, not nearer the hole, and in the same area of the course).
This came up a couple of weeks ago, so I wonder if you could clarify. My opponent pushed his tee shot right, toward heavy rough. He declared a provisional ball and repeated the error. He played a second provisional straight. However, amongst the four, we had different opinions on how long we had to look for the original ball, and first provisional. One player thought it was 3 minutes in total for both, one thought it was 3 mins for first- stop, then 3 mins for provisional. One thought it was 6 mins total.
My biggest confusion is balls lost off the tee that goes OB ( you know 100%). I have seen some people refuse to hit a provisional/re-tee, instead say "I'll go drop over there"... hitting 3. Well.. he just took advantage of 240 yards hitting from there versus hitting 3 from the tee box. SMH
You can always choose to play off a path or road if you so wish even when entitled to free relief - it might be that they didn't fancy the nearest point of relief and actually preferred their chances simply playing it as it lies
No penalty besides the nice scratches on the bottom of your club! Sometimes hitting off a path is preferable to taking a drop as you could end up in a worse position.
So, if you have to be behind or level with the Tee markers, does that mean you have to play through them for the ball to be in play? I refer to the Bubba Watson tee shot.
When playing a provisional ball, as well as saying the word "provisional" shouldn't you also state what type of ball you are playing? i.e Srixon 2 or Calllaway 3 etc? otherwise you could hit the same ball again.
It's a good idea to do so but you are not obliged to do that under the Rules. There is no problem playing the same make and model as long as you are able to differentiate between them if you hit them into a similar spot, so using a slightly different identifying mark on a provisional ball is also a good idea
1. If you play a brand new ball, it will get lost immediately- old balls however will last all summer 2. If you play the harder holes well, you will definitely mess up the easier ones 3. If you’re partner gimmes you a put and you take it anyway - you will miss that put .
Nearest point was on the other side as to get full relief with feet clear of the path on the side we were standing would have taken us further from where the ball was lying than the other side of the path
Golf Monthly . It didn’t look like it in the video. I definitely think you should have dropped to the right of the road not nearer the hole. There is no way your stance is wider than that road.
My brother-in-law used to always pretend to check to see if it was his ball and set it back down all fluffy and nice. So annoying. Wouldn't bother me except he was competitive with his attitude.
If you're playing against people who are playing the same rules as you, whether they are the "real" rules or not why does it matter? A group of 4 playing their rules and against one another or for fun should be guided by their desires. If you're submitting cards for a handicap then you'll be punished in the long term if you don't abide by PGA and R&A rules, but not everyone wants to play in comps. I'd like to see more people playing golf and enjoying it, not people playing golf with anguished faces and throwing clubs
@@JPWGolfChannel You say it so well yourself if you read your comment . Golfers are a group of people who play under the same rules. if you dont want to play under these rules that is fine but you are not then playing golf you can put a name on whatever you are doing yourself Enjoy.
I really dont think weekend golfers care all that much about all the ruels, they are out to get exersize have a few beers and be out with friends ., but in turnaments 100% should be followed or know them , and if youre a golf police and are a stickaler of the rules you will never come out again, just go out and have fun if youre a weekend golfer
You can't declare a ball lost - it becomes lost if not found within three minutes. You don't have to look for your ball, but equally, there is nothing to stop others looking if they want to, although most probably wouldn't if you had asked them not to bother
@@GolfMonthly Also worth noting, if the player has proceeded to make his next shot with his provisional ball, the original ball is now considered abandoned, even if found by someone within the 3 minute window.
Sorry to say but you got it wrong concerning rule 18.3b. You don't have to use the word "provisional" or the rule number; you just need to make clear what your intention is (cf. the applicable interpretation). Of couse it's probably best just to say "provisional" because it leaves no room for interpretation.
Thank you - just to clarify for everyone, here's the wording from the Player's Edition of the Rule book... Before the stroke is made, you must announce that you are going to play a provisional ball. It is not enough for you only to say that you are playing another ball or are playing again. You must use the word “provisional” or otherwise clearly indicate that you are playing the ball provisionally under Rule 18.3. If you go in to the Interpretations as InvisibleSmiley suggests, there is a little more clarification as to what is and isn't acceptable... Examples of announcements that clearly indicate the player is playing a provisional ball include: “I’m playing a ball under Rule 18.3.” “I’m going to play another just in case.” Examples of announcements that do not clearly indicate the player is playing a provisional ball and mean that the player would be putting a ball into play under stroke and distance include: “I’m going to re-load.” “I’m going to play another.” So it would seem that the use of the phrase "just in case" is sufficient for a ball to be deemed provisional
It’s not ‘cheating’ if you don’t know the rule. I think this is clearly about treating others with respect and very careful use of language. It’s an error, an oversight born of ignorance and something to be remedied with less incendiary remarks?
There’s some players on one of the UK golf channels almost always take illegal relief . It’s really quite pitiful to watch them do it . I wish I could grab them by the collar and say whoa there fella what do you think your doing…🤪🤪🤪😂😂
If you mean inside the triangle formed by your two feet and the ball, no, that is not a reason to get relief. It must interfere with: lie of ball (ball is on the sprinkler). Or interfere with your stance (foot is touching sprinkler). Or interfere with your swing (club may strike sprinkler during swing).
@@donebone3155 Please define "triangle of your stance". That phrase does not exist in the Rules of Golf. So, you will have a hard time finding relief for "triangle of your stance" in the Rules of Golf.
You missed a very common one - hitting a "provisional" ball because you are uncertain whether your ball is in a hazard or not. Provisional balls can only be hit due to uncertainty of finding the ball or uncertainty about whether it is in bounds or out. Keep in mind that any ball in a hazard is excluded from golf's definition of "lost ball" for this very reason. The problem in the "hazard scenario" is that you would be setting up a situation in which you could choose a certain action (hitting from the original spot) after you have already seen the result - SOMETHING NEVER ALLOWED under the rules of golf. This may seem impractical (due the extra walking and time spent) during a casual round but if you are in a serious competition, you must determine if the ball is in the hazard and whether or not you are going to play it from the hazard before you choose from your other available options.
'Penalty area' not 'hazard' now. A provisional ball can be played when a ball might be lost in a penalty area but also might be lost somewhere else. Rule 18.3a. See also Model Local Rule B-3.
@@richardmcgovern8456 Rule 18.3 is very clear that if it is established that the original ball can only be the penalty area, "a provisional ball is not allowed" (direct quote) and that if you have played a second ball from the previous spot you must proceed with that ball under stroke and distance penalty since it can no longer be considered provisional. All other options for a ball in the hazard are gone by virtue of having hitting a ball which cannot be considered provisional ("a provisional ball is not allowed"). The only situation in which you could pick up your second ball would be if you found the original ball outside the hazard.
This video oozes toxicity. Just play the game. No one cares if you hit from 1 inch in front of the tee box. If my friends don't count that shot, I probably won't invite them out again. These things should only apply to tournaments and real competition. Someone's worse score doesn't increase your score
Hopefully everyone knows the difference between knowing the rules and enforcing them. If someone wants to say they scored an 85, when you see them making multiple infractions a game, don't call them out on it, let them have their day in the sun, and they'll probably buy a round of drinks because of their good mood. Let a judge from a competition worry about enforcing the rules and turning your 15 handicap buddy back to the 25 they should be.
If your partner or opponent finds that ball in a bush. Before you get too grumpy and try to hack it out. Remember you can deem it unplayable, take relief within 2 club lengths no nearer the hole at a cost of only 1 stroke. You’ll be playing your third from there. Instead of your fourth from the fairway. You may well be better off.
Or you can take your ball back to the tee (or previous spot) and hit yet another shot from that spot. If you hit it similar to your "provisional", you have lost nothing and if you hit it better you have gained.
Sometimes etiquette regarding the rules is the best rule. Especially if it is accidental or the person is new to golf. (eg tell them before if you see they are in front of the tee markers
Nearest Point of Relief: I always try to bring a worthwhile perspective to others about this rule, you have to take relief if you pick up your ball. Since the nearest point might not be a particularly good lie, could be in a ditch, tall grass etc. It's always worth it to figure out your point of relief before you pick up your ball, because you can't just put it back down, that would be a penalty. If the nearest point is a terrible place to drop it, sometimes it's better to just hit it from the road instead, which you can't do if the first thing you do is pick up the ball.
Please clarify the lost ball rule. If I hit a ball into some bad rough and do not want to find my ball, my understanding from your video, is that I can then state that I am playing another ball (no mention of a provisional) and that ball then becomes the ball in play. This would, in effect, prevent any other players from searching for my ball. Am I correct?
if a score is going to be recorded, then its no question that these rules have to be followed. If one is out for a casual round and just wants to play the game for fun then there is leeway on improving lies, how one treats penalty areas, etc but again, no score should be recorded in this situation. Lost ball is a pet peeve in certain situations where a ball would be easily found but it may have plugged or leaves on the ground are hiding it. even in open areas of rough a ball can be lost that wasnt hit wildly out of play. but we amateurs dont have the luxury of fans and tournament officials tracking down errant shots in short order.
I understand that there has been clarification of the provisional ball rule, you don't have to say provisional it is sufficient to say I'll hit another just in case or I'll hit another as I'm not sure
thats not exactly correct the nearist point of relief looking from our view is the green side of the path , where you dropped the ball looked further away.
One over looked by many is the need to mark your ball uniquely to you in order to identify it. Its not just a case of 'I'm playing (brand) number #' ......
Hello there - identifying marks are only something that the Rules advise via the word 'should' rather than a requirement. It is, of course, a good idea to do so, but not essential under the Rules. Here's what the full Rules say about identifying your ball... 7.2 How to Identify Ball A player’s ball at rest may be identified in any one of these ways: •• By the player or anyone else seeing a ball come to rest in circumstances where it is known to be the player’s ball. •• By seeing the player’s identifying mark on the ball (see Rule 6.3a). •• By finding a ball with the same brand, model, number and condition as the player’s ball in an area where the player’s ball is expected to be (but this does not apply if an identical ball is in the same area and there is no way to know which one is the player’s ball). If a player’s provisional ball cannot be distinguished from his or her original ball, see Rule 18.3c(2).
Yes I agree 100% unless there was video evidence. Most assuredly I would be making the same exact claim about my opponent if he pulled this and I would tell before he does and say that when I told him I was reporting him that he threatened to make up a claim that I did it too! Ll
Great video: very informative and should be viewed by all golfers. I must mention one inaccuracy, though. It is highly advisable, but not absolutely compulsory, to use the words ‘provisional ball’ when playing a provisional ball, Rules interpretation 18.3b/2 refers.
Played This course a couple of years ago, I holed by 3rd shot on this Par 5.Absolutely beautiful golf course.
I’ve played with people that every fairway stroke they pick their ball up to identify it. Even if making it the ball first it never seems to be replaced as deep in the grass after being picked-up and replaced as where it originally laid when found. Constantly improving their lay, but apparently within the rules.
Fairway grass is usually super short. How can you get the ball any deeper than just on top?
I really appreciate videos like these. Attention to details is something I love and I enjoyed learning more about seemingly small details about the game.
Great video …reading the rule book is quite often very confusing for me so having someone explain the rules to me is much clearer…👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Loved the video. One thing on nearest point of relief that should have been mentioned is that it can be totally different if you're right or left handed. I the case given, a left handed person would have been on the green side of the cart path.
I looked at what "Thunda watch" said in reply to a comment on this subject. "Thunda'" said the nearest "reference point" of relief in this circumstance, should be identified using the club that is intended to be used for the stroke. The one club-length area of relief is then measured using the longest club in the bag. I believe, then one may change which club will be used to play the stroke.
About the lost ball, although you can’t declare it “lost”, you always have the option to declare it “unplayable”, especially when you are familiar with the course, knowing you won’t be able to play from that given position. So, you can immediately play another ball, if you decide not to go and search for it.
That's correct..
And then you are only taking a 1 stroke penalty... swinging 2 now instead of 3 for the provisional.
@@garyco766 no you are still hitting 3.
@@johnnyutah482 sorry, meant hitting 3 instead of 4. The provision was 3 off the tee.
@@garyco766 yes either way you are hitting 3 off the tee
Great job!! I really enjoyed the information on the rules.
With it being winter a lot of people play lift, clean and replace what are the rules surrounding this? Great video though 👍
Hello Jonathan - yes, many clubs will adopt a Local Rule for preferred lies (often called Winter rules ) to help with the fair playing of the game outside of the main season. Here is the sample Local Rule for this from The R&A's website. As you can see, clubs are able to specify the relief area, but nearly all that we've played at have been 6 inches. Hope this helps...
Model Local Rule E-3
"When a player's ball lies in a part of the general area cut to fairway height or less [or identify a specific area such as 'on the fairway of the 6th hole'], the player may take free relief once by placing the original ball or another ball in and playing it from this relief area:
Reference Point: Spot of the original ball.
Size of Relief Area Measured from Reference Point: [Specify size of relief area, such as one club-length, one scorecard length or 6 inches] from the reference point, but with these limits:
Limits on Location of Relief Area:
Must not be nearer the hole than the reference point, and
Must be in the general area.
In proceeding under this Local Rule, the player must choose a spot to place the ball and use the procedures for replacing a ball under Rules 14.2b(2) and 14.2e.
Good quality~and lesson Thanks~
My club has declared all gardens are to be treated as GUR, hence a free relief drop. My question is; if having taken my nearest point of relief drop, the overhanging branches of a tree which is within that garden interferes with my swing am I entitled to further free relief? Your rules videos are great.
No, the tree isn't what you wanted relief from. It is possible for the nearest "free relief" to be in a bunker, in a bush, behind a tree trunk or any other terrible/unplayable location.
In your circumstance you have to either play from the garden, play under the tree or take further penalty relief.
One I always see is when putting in a scramble. First person misses say a birdie put and taps in a par, and then the second person goes for their team's birdie.
Rules of golf do not address "scramble" games. That is a manufactured format and the rules about putting can be whatever the tournament organizer allows.
Once the ball is holed, its holed.
When you marked the spot with a tee to identify your ball you slid it in behind the ball on a angle chances are when you removed the tee your ball could have easily moved …is that trouble or would you just replace it ?
Should of also talked a bout the cart path relief is different if you are a left handed or right handed , in your example looks like a left handed golfers closest point of relief may of been to the right on the short grass.
I've been looking everywhere for a definitive answer to this question... What constitutes the golf ball moving when removing loose impediments. I removed some twigs near my ball and it "jiggled" without moving from its spot. Does that constitute a nice and therefore a penalty?
Whatever...the 30 handicapper I’m behind on Saturday morning should read all the rules and CAREFULLY consider ALL POSSIBLE OPTIONS! No hurry...we will wait...chunk...repeat...drop...chunk...repeat! It’s great fun to watch as my back muscles stiffen over the 45 minutes between shots!
Hello gents, in your last example regarding the inability to simply declare a ball "lost" without looking for it - in such an instance am I correct in assuming that a player would not have the right at all to pick it up - ie the first ball must wholly be abandoned if one hits their second shot without specifically declaring it to be their provisional?
Thank you! Great advice! 🙏
Very clarifying video. It does leave me with one question to which I probably know the answer already, just want to make sure. If you play your 2nd ball from the tee I assume it is automatically stroke 2, right?
If your tee shot is lost and you tee up another one, you're actually hitting shot #3. It's a 1 shot penalty stroke. I always think of it this way... When counting my strokes for a hole, I count the action of putting the ball down with my hand as a stroke.
@@mikeh1817 Thanks, that is very helpfull. I am going to use that rule.
Why is the nearest point of relief on the far side of the cart path? Isn't the nearest point of relief where the ball would be dropped or where your feet have taken relief from the cart path no nearer the hole? It seems to me that would have been on the green side of the cart path to the right since the ball was closer to that side when it was on the cart path.
EXCELLENT Review
How about rules for water hazard, unplayable lie and casual water. A good video would be weird events in golf like ball stuck in flag, playing the wrong ball, hitting another ball by mistake, hitting equipment, and any other unusual stuff that could occur on the course.
Again, excellent video
Teeing up at the wrong box is more likely than teeing up over the line. My marker hit off from the ‘tiger’ tee instead of the regular tee on the 17th. He called it himself. Even though he was 10 metres further back, still took his 2 strokes like the champ he is.
Is a lost or OB provisional a penalty stroke each time you hit it?
Back in high school, I did a maneuver where I took relief from the cart path, to a bench, to a sprinkler head, and then the lie I wanted. I was not called for it, but it seems I should of been disqualified when I turned in my scorecard, since you literally have to find the nearest point of " *RELIEF* " and not play a game of "Connect the Dots" till you get the lie you want.
You did nothing wrong. Each time you take relief, you must take complete relief from that particular obstruction. If taking proper relief from a cart path results in obstruction somewhere else, you then follow the procedures to take relief from the new obstruction.
YOu missed the lateral relief option. You also have the option to go to the lateral side equal to hole and take 2 club lengths from there too.
In this instruction, Jezz says that when taking free relief from a path the player must use the club that is to be used to play the stroke. However, in the rules definitions, a Club Length is the longest club in the bag other than the putter. Otherwise, the longest club could be a broomstick putter. My recollection of the Rules prior to 1st January 2019 was that a player must use the club that would be used to play the shot. I have not found any statement in the current Rules that says the club used for measurement must be the club intended to make the stroke. Is my understanding incorrect?
The relief point is determined by taking stance with the club you want to use. Then you get to use the long club you determine the 1 club length arc
Yeah I genuinely always thought the term mulligan was a legit word in the rules, welcome to golf!
With regards to the "nearest point of relief... is that the point with relief closest to where your ball came to rest? If so, is there not potentially two places depending on whether you are a left of right hand golfer?
Since you are either a right handed or a left handed golfer (not both at once), there is one "nearest point of relief" for each situation.
When you dropped off the path. You didn’t use nearest point of relief. Surely as your ball was only a few inches from the edge of the path hole side, you should drop the ball hole side but in a direction further from hole. You have actually dropped the ball on other side of the path much further from nearest point?
If someone forced me to put my relief shot in the bushes that would be the last time I play with them
Excellent video!
Looking at the rules as the sand in a bunker is the bunker and the face of a bunker is classed I think as in the general area, if you declare it unplayable is the nearest point of relief within the bunker or can you take it back in line with the flag as far as you like behind the bunker ( some of them are huge) for a one shot penalty? Or could the nearest point of full relief be no nearer the hole in a lateral direction. I found this difficult to interpret from the small rules book. Thanks for any clarification.
Ian - thanks for your query. We actually ran pretty much this question in the reader query pages of the mag a few months ago. The one thing you can't do is drop in the bunker, but I've cut and pasted the piece below with the answer from our contact at The R&A... that final spot if you can't get the ball to stay in the relief are when dropping twice or placing twice could be lateral depending on where the ball was in relation to the general area. Hope this helps...
Question: What is the new embedded ball rule when a ball is embedded in a revetted bunker face and what if the ball won’t stay in the relief area?
Answer: Unless otherwise stated in the Local Rules, a revetted face above a bunker is part of the general area and you would be entitled to relief if the ball was embedded under Rule 16.3b. If you can physically drop the ball into the identified relief area but it rolls into the bunker when dropping in the right way, you must try again. If this happens when dropping a second time, you must place the ball on the spot where the ball first touched the ground on the second drop. If the placed ball does not stay at rest on that spot, you must try placing a ball on that spot a second time. If the placed ball does not stay on this spot, then you must find the nearest spot where it will come to rest in the general area.
@@GolfMonthly Ian didn't say the ball was embedded. He was asking about declaring the ball unplayable, in which case the ball could be dropped in the bunker under penalty. 19.2b
@@davidgrieve3761 True, "nearest point of relief" has no meaning when a ball is declared unplayable. The reference point for an unplayable ball is the exact location of the ball when it is declared unplayable.
@@GolfMonthly He asked about 'unplayable' ball. 'Nearest point of relief' is not a consideration.
Randsurfer I agree.
If both sides of the cart path has severe rough, don't you have the option of playing the ball as it lies on the cart path?
Yes. Relief is optional, not mandatory for cart paths and most immovable obstructions. Sometimes a relief may be mandatory to protect GUR or young plantings, etc.
Is it fair to say that if you announce that you’re playing a provisional ball that you don’t get to hit it immediately but must wait for all others in the group to tee off before hitting your second shot ?
Yes, you wait for the others to play their tee shots first.
Confused by the 'don't say provisional' if you don't want to find a ball. What would be the deal then?
If you hit a ball into an undesirable lie, you can decide right then and there to take stroke and distance, and forget about the original ball, instead of playing a provisional ball. If you do play a provisional ball, and then find the original ball, then the provisional ball must be abandoned. You can't decide then to keep the provisional ball and abandon the original ball (i.e. to "unfind" the ball). If you want to take stroke and distance then, you have to go back to the previous spot and hit again. But with the original ball found, you may have other options, such as unplayable ball relief.
I do not understand lost ball rule. I say provisional a ball can be found. Dont say provisional and just hit another ball I can play my second ball which will exclude the ball I figured was unplayable? It comes across to me not to say provisional at all if you think the shot is lost?
I see that infraction quite often watching videos where a player who hit a provisional will find their ball buried and decide to play the provisional ball…good to know I can now talk smack about them 😂😂😂
Played yesterday..lots of brown autumn leave. A players ball gors out in penalty area, and the ball is covered in leaves.
We found the ball, he proceeded to clear the leaves behind the ball, in his swing path.
Was that legal?
Yes. "Without penalty, a player may remove a loose impediment anywhere on or off the course, and may do so in any way (such as by using a hand or foot or a club or other equipment)." (Rule 15.1a)
So I am still a little confused on a provisional ball...you still have to mark the stroke penalties for the lost ball correct? it is not like the friendly mulligan rules
Yes. It is a strenuous penalty. And mulligans are a fiction :)
they should mark the place at the path- bepore removing.
bc you wil run around quit a bit before u finally decide where the right place is
I was having a discussion with a friend, he said in your may/june issues there was a rule discussed that on the tee'ing area if you hit the ball but it does not leave the tee'ing area you can retee your ball without penalty and make your drive again ,is this the case ? thanks in advance of your answer
Struggling to find that in those issues, but by chance, we are running pretty much that query in the next issue we're working on in relation to an airshot one person in a foursomes pairing made on the tee. The answer is that whenever your ball is in the teeing area of the hole you are playing you may retee it, but the stroke you made at it originally would still count in your score. And don't forget that the 'teeing area' is not the whole of the teeing block you are playing from but rather a precisely defined rectangle two club-lengths deep from the front and outer extremities of whatever tee markers are being used. Hope that helps.
more of this please, excellent work thank you
How about who goes first at the green when someone is on the green 30 feet away and someone is off the green 20 feet away ?
RE nearest point of relief. I always thought the nearest point of relief in your cart path example would have been from the side of the path where the ball is but no closer to the hole, not all the way back behind the cart path?
The nearest point of complete relief for where the ball was lying was where we dropped it. To drop it on the hole side not nearer the hole we would have had to go much further away from where it was lying
@@GolfMonthly hard to see that from the camera angle. From our view it is reasonable to question whether the nearest point of relief would have been closer to where the fellow on the right was standing. You've further complicated this by only giving the obvious example of the incorrect assumption that someone would "want" to drop on the hole side of the path by moving forward and to the left which is clearly closer to the hole. Again from where the ball lay on the path a more thorough review of where the nearest point of relief would be was necessary and also would have been really useful to the audience. If I had this scenario in a match I certainly would have measured this up.
I had a putt of 8 inches, the flag stick was leaning towards the ball so I pulled it out and rested it on my shoulder and putted out because I didn't want to bend down to pick it up. I was told you can't do that but I have searched the rules and can't find the answer. Please help me!
I have researched this scenario for my club and it is NOT a rules violation .
When does the 3 minutes of "looking for your ball" begin? I could say I've been looking for it since I hit it. It can't have anything to do with being in the vicinity of the lost ball coz if it's lost how do you know if you're in the vicinity? Not knowing if you're in the vicinity is kind of the definition of being lost. And exactly how big is a vicinity anyway?
How do you know where to search for the ball if you have no idea of the vicinity? Your question is silly. And yes, the 3 minutes begins when you start searching in the vicinity of where it is likely lost.
So when taking relief from a path you use the club you will use to play? Not a driver. Bit confusing. Also if a player puts their ball infront of the tee markers is it best to tell them then?
Sally - you should use the club you will be playing the next stroke with to take the stance that will determine your nearest point of complete relief and then measure the relief area out using the longest club in your bag that day other than your putter. And yes, you would hope that 99% of golfers would, of course, tell someone they were about to tee off in front of the markers
Golf Monthly in other words the longer the club,usually the wider your feet will be in the stance which will influence the position of the nearest point of (full) relief.
I work at a golf course, I have witnessed players walk into the woods, get their ball and drop it in the fairway! Should I notify the Marshal to have the players removed or shot them myself?
It makes pace of play faster. as long as they arent competeing, I'm fine with it
Surely if you are close to a sprinkler and its on your line you should get relief always? It’s not a natural feature
If you're playing with a group of friends and are this strict about the rules, you probably won't get invited out next time.
Depends on your handicap. I know the group I play with wants to have a true and honest score.
That's what I was thinking. Obviously tournament rules, but they treat this like "this is how you play golf"... my rules: ready golf, play the ball up everywhere, how many mulligans? Lol
Actually playing with someone who is 'a bit hazy' on the rules can be a complete pain in the bum. If things are done correctly no one can have any complaints
There are always different types of friends who play differently so if they are your friends you should know who they are and play accordingly. As for myself I always play by the rules but again if your group of friends allow for free relief for a better lie, I take advantage of that. Just like I have friends who play from red tees because they are older and I don't like to since I am a single handicap but since I drop money for skins, greenies (closest to the pin on par 3's) and low net, I play the same tees and they don't complain. I look at it as tuning my short game. When I play at a muni golf course and join up with players also on standby, I don't care how they play, I just play my game and by the rules.
When you play a pick up game of basketball do your friends allow you to take three or four steps after dribbling?
Using the club you're going to play shot with to measure point of relief is now defunked now I think? All relief is allowed with longest club excluding a long putter (ie driver) ? 🤔
Hello there Dan - the distinction between determining the nearest point of complete relief (as it is now known) and then measuring out the relief area remains. The former should still be done using the club you would use for the next stroke (this from Definitions in the Rules: "Estimating this reference point requires you to identify the choice of club, stance, swing and line of play you would have used for that stroke."). From this reference point, you then measure out the one or two club-lengths permitted for the relief area using the longest club you are carrying that day other than the putter.
Right. That distinction was not at all clear in the relief from cart path example.
Off the tee I play a provisional and then find my first ball but lose the provisional. Is there a penalty
No. When you find your 1st ball the provisional ball is no longer in play.
Only that you have lost the cost of a ball
Nomadic Golfer exactly why I don’t like buying titlest proV1s bc damn expensive
What's the rule if in the process of looking for your ball you step on it pushing it into the ground where it becomes an unplayable lie?
You replace the ball at its original spot (Rule 7.4), which "includes its vertical location relative to the ground" (Rule 14.2c). However, the original lie has been altered, so you'll have to use Rule 14.2d(2), which says to place the ball "on the nearest spot with a lie most similar to the original lie" (within 1 club-length, not nearer the hole, and in the same area of the course).
This came up a couple of weeks ago, so I wonder if you could clarify. My opponent pushed his tee shot right, toward heavy rough. He declared a provisional ball and repeated the error. He played a second provisional straight. However, amongst the four, we had different opinions on how long we had to look for the original ball, and first provisional. One player thought it was 3 minutes in total for both, one thought it was 3 mins for first- stop, then 3 mins for provisional. One thought it was 6 mins total.
We think it is 3 mins per ball - and might be best to let the group behind through!
My biggest confusion is balls lost off the tee that goes OB ( you know 100%). I have seen some people refuse to hit a provisional/re-tee, instead say "I'll go drop over there"... hitting 3. Well.. he just took advantage of 240 yards hitting from there versus hitting 3 from the tee box. SMH
He might be confusing OB and a red stake Hazard.
I think he needs to reload as his ball is 100% OB crossing a red stake he does have that option.
Patrick Reed would like to talk about #2
5:30 so what about those times when the pros hit the ball of the path?
You can always choose to play off a path or road if you so wish even when entitled to free relief - it might be that they didn't fancy the nearest point of relief and actually preferred their chances simply playing it as it lies
No penalty besides the nice scratches on the bottom of your club! Sometimes hitting off a path is preferable to taking a drop as you could end up in a worse position.
Golfer named Neil Tap-in :)
So, if you have to be behind or level with the Tee markers, does that mean you have to play through them for the ball to be in play? I refer to the Bubba Watson tee shot.
Ian - no, the ball does not have to physically pass between the two tee markers
So are these the biggest or most common? Biggest mistakes result in largest penalties, most common ones happen most frequently.
When playing a provisional ball, as well as saying the word "provisional" shouldn't you also state what type of ball you are playing? i.e Srixon 2 or Calllaway 3 etc? otherwise you could hit the same ball again.
It's a good idea to do so but you are not obliged to do that under the Rules. There is no problem playing the same make and model as long as you are able to differentiate between them if you hit them into a similar spot, so using a slightly different identifying mark on a provisional ball is also a good idea
1. If you play a brand new ball, it will get lost immediately- old balls however will last all summer
2. If you play the harder holes well, you will definitely mess up the easier ones
3. If you’re partner gimmes you a put and you take it anyway - you will miss that put .
Those are almost certainly invariably true - golf's other set of Rules :)
Could you not have dropped on the other side of the path taking complete relief and still be. O nearer the hole ?
Nearest point was on the other side as to get full relief with feet clear of the path on the side we were standing would have taken us further from where the ball was lying than the other side of the path
Golf Monthly . It didn’t look like it in the video. I definitely think you should have dropped to the right of the road not nearer the hole. There is no way your stance is wider than that road.
@@ruatoomey9107 The camera angle may be deceiving as the point where we took the drop was the nearest point not nearer the hole
My brother-in-law used to always pretend to check to see if it was his ball and set it back down all fluffy and nice. So annoying. Wouldn't bother me except he was competitive with his attitude.
Item number 1. "Reference point" should always be marked.
I don’t believe golf should be this serious 😂
Quite correct sir. This is the reason most people think golfers have a club stuck up their arse
@@JPWGolfChannel so just make up your own rules and do what you like.
If you're playing against people who are playing the same rules as you, whether they are the "real" rules or not why does it matter? A group of 4 playing their rules and against one another or for fun should be guided by their desires.
If you're submitting cards for a handicap then you'll be punished in the long term if you don't abide by PGA and R&A rules, but not everyone wants to play in comps.
I'd like to see more people playing golf and enjoying it, not people playing golf with anguished faces and throwing clubs
@@JPWGolfChannel You say it so well yourself if you read your comment . Golfers are a group of people who play under the same rules. if you dont want to play under these rules that is fine but you are not then playing golf you can put a name on whatever you are doing yourself Enjoy.
It's all about standards and integrity Tom. When you don't have s&i you get a uk parliament.
I really dont think weekend golfers care all that much about all the ruels, they are out to get exersize have a few beers and be out with friends ., but in turnaments 100% should be followed or know them , and if youre a golf police and are a stickaler of the rules you will never come out again, just go out and have fun if youre a weekend golfer
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Can someone answer please
I thought you couldn't declare ball lost until your 3 min has expired and do you have to look for your ball
You can't declare a ball lost - it becomes lost if not found within three minutes. You don't have to look for your ball, but equally, there is nothing to stop others looking if they want to, although most probably wouldn't if you had asked them not to bother
@@GolfMonthly Also worth noting, if the player has proceeded to make his next shot with his provisional ball, the original ball is now considered abandoned, even if found by someone within the 3 minute window.
Sorry to say but you got it wrong concerning rule 18.3b. You don't have to use the word "provisional" or the rule number; you just need to make clear what your intention is (cf. the applicable interpretation).
Of couse it's probably best just to say "provisional" because it leaves no room for interpretation.
Thank you - just to clarify for everyone, here's the wording from the Player's Edition of the Rule book...
Before the stroke is made, you must announce that you are going to play a provisional ball.
It is not enough for you only to say that you are playing another ball or are playing again.
You must use the word “provisional” or otherwise clearly indicate that you are playing the ball provisionally under Rule 18.3.
If you go in to the Interpretations as InvisibleSmiley suggests, there is a little more clarification as to what is and isn't acceptable...
Examples of announcements that clearly indicate the player is playing a provisional ball include:
“I’m playing a ball under Rule 18.3.”
“I’m going to play another just in case.”
Examples of announcements that do not clearly indicate the player is playing a provisional ball and mean that the player would be putting a ball into play under stroke and distance include:
“I’m going to re-load.”
“I’m going to play another.”
So it would seem that the use of the phrase "just in case" is sufficient for a ball to be deemed provisional
It’s not ‘cheating’ if you don’t know the rule. I think this is clearly about treating others with respect and very careful use of language. It’s an error, an oversight born of ignorance and something to be remedied with less incendiary remarks?
There’s some players on one of the UK golf channels almost always take illegal relief . It’s really quite pitiful to watch them do it . I wish I could grab them by the collar and say whoa there fella what do you think your doing…🤪🤪🤪😂😂
If the sprinkler head is within the triangle of your stance, you get relief
If you mean inside the triangle formed by your two feet and the ball, no, that is not a reason to get relief. It must interfere with: lie of ball (ball is on the sprinkler). Or interfere with your stance (foot is touching sprinkler). Or interfere with your swing (club may strike sprinkler during swing).
No. Within the triangle of your stance, you get relief
@@donebone3155 Please define "triangle of your stance". That phrase does not exist in the Rules of Golf. So, you will have a hard time finding relief for "triangle of your stance" in the Rules of Golf.
the point where you gound the club and your stance. One club length. Optional.
@@donebone3155 Do you have a Rule number for that one?
jesus so many subtle rules
You missed a very common one - hitting a "provisional" ball because you are uncertain whether your ball is in a hazard or not. Provisional balls can only be hit due to uncertainty of finding the ball or uncertainty about whether it is in bounds or out. Keep in mind that any ball in a hazard is excluded from golf's definition of "lost ball" for this very reason. The problem in the "hazard scenario" is that you would be setting up a situation in which you could choose a certain action (hitting from the original spot) after you have already seen the result - SOMETHING NEVER ALLOWED under the rules of golf. This may seem impractical (due the extra walking and time spent) during a casual round but if you are in a serious competition, you must determine if the ball is in the hazard and whether or not you are going to play it from the hazard before you choose from your other available options.
'Penalty area' not 'hazard' now. A provisional ball can be played when a ball might be lost in a penalty area but also might be lost somewhere else. Rule 18.3a. See also Model Local Rule B-3.
As far as I know you can do that
As far as I know you can do that
@@richardmcgovern8456 Rule 18.3 is very clear that if it is established that the original ball can only be the penalty area, "a provisional ball is not allowed" (direct quote) and that if you have played a second ball from the previous spot you must proceed with that ball under stroke and distance penalty since it can no longer be considered provisional. All other options for a ball in the hazard are gone by virtue of having hitting a ball which cannot be considered provisional ("a provisional ball is not allowed"). The only situation in which you could pick up your second ball would be if you found the original ball outside the hazard.
I said does this look like yours lady and thats when she hit me with a 4 iron
Giving of unsolicited advice 😬🤮🤮
He really needs a fuller swing on that driver.
This video oozes toxicity. Just play the game. No one cares if you hit from 1 inch in front of the tee box. If my friends don't count that shot, I probably won't invite them out again. These things should only apply to tournaments and real competition. Someone's worse score doesn't increase your score
Hopefully everyone knows the difference between knowing the rules and enforcing them. If someone wants to say they scored an 85, when you see them making multiple infractions a game, don't call them out on it, let them have their day in the sun, and they'll probably buy a round of drinks because of their good mood.
Let a judge from a competition worry about enforcing the rules and turning your 15 handicap buddy back to the 25 they should be.
If your partner or opponent finds that ball in a bush. Before you get too grumpy and try to hack it out. Remember you can deem it unplayable, take relief within 2 club lengths no nearer the hole at a cost of only 1 stroke. You’ll be playing your third from there. Instead of your fourth from the fairway. You may well be better off.
Or you can take your ball back to the tee (or previous spot) and hit yet another shot from that spot. If you hit it similar to your "provisional", you have lost nothing and if you hit it better you have gained.
Sometimes etiquette regarding the rules is the best rule. Especially if it is accidental or the person is new to golf. (eg tell them before if you see they are in front of the tee markers
Absolutely always try to guide if you are more familiar with the rules. Saves a lot of grief
Must be a joy to play with
Nearest Point of Relief: I always try to bring a worthwhile perspective to others about this rule, you have to take relief if you pick up your ball. Since the nearest point might not be a particularly good lie, could be in a ditch, tall grass etc. It's always worth it to figure out your point of relief before you pick up your ball, because you can't just put it back down, that would be a penalty. If the nearest point is a terrible place to drop it, sometimes it's better to just hit it from the road instead, which you can't do if the first thing you do is pick up the ball.
Excellent video, i learnt a couple of things
I always hit the ball in the hole, so whats with all this penalty and relief talk?!?
Great video
I’d hate to play a round with the old dude 😭😭
Why let golf be fun when you could just be a stickler?
@@JPWGolfChannel why play by the rules when you could just cheat?
I'd love it. He knows the rules. My favorite type of fellow player.
Please clarify the lost ball rule. If I hit a ball into some bad rough and do not want to find my ball, my understanding from your video, is that I can then state that I am playing another ball (no mention of a provisional) and that ball then becomes the ball in play. This would, in effect, prevent any other players from searching for my ball. Am I correct?
if a score is going to be recorded, then its no question that these rules have to be followed. If one is out for a casual round and just wants to play the game for fun then there is leeway on improving lies, how one treats penalty areas, etc but again, no score should be recorded in this situation.
Lost ball is a pet peeve in certain situations where a ball would be easily found but it may have plugged or leaves on the ground are hiding it. even in open areas of rough a ball can be lost that wasnt hit wildly out of play. but we amateurs dont have the luxury of fans and tournament officials tracking down errant shots in short order.
I understand that there has been clarification of the provisional ball rule, you don't have to say provisional it is sufficient to say I'll hit another just in case or I'll hit another as I'm not sure
thats not exactly correct the nearist point of relief looking from our view is the green side of the path , where you dropped the ball looked further away.
One over looked by many is the need to mark your ball uniquely to you in order to identify it. Its not just a case of 'I'm playing (brand) number #' ......
Hello there - identifying marks are only something that the Rules advise via the word 'should' rather than a requirement. It is, of course, a good idea to do so, but not essential under the Rules. Here's what the full Rules say about identifying your ball...
7.2 How to Identify Ball
A player’s ball at rest may be identified in any one of these ways:
•• By the player or anyone else seeing a ball come to rest in circumstances where it
is known to be the player’s ball.
•• By seeing the player’s identifying mark on the ball (see Rule 6.3a).
•• By finding a ball with the same brand, model, number and condition as the
player’s ball in an area where the player’s ball is expected to be (but this does not
apply if an identical ball is in the same area and there is no way to know which
one is the player’s ball).
If a player’s provisional ball cannot be distinguished from his or her original ball, see
Rule 18.3c(2).
Standing in the line of play on the tee box 🤮🤮🤮😬😬
10:58 once you have moved on he cannot prove it . your word against his . should have to say at the time . Sure by now he has nobody to play with,
Yes I agree 100% unless there was video evidence. Most assuredly I would be making the same exact claim about my opponent if he pulled this and I would tell before he does and say that when I told him I was reporting him that he threatened to make up a claim that I did it too! Ll
Did not understand hitting another ball off the tee and not saying provisional ?
Always nice to hear Jezz chat about the rules and making it simpler to understand
Great video: very informative and should be viewed by all golfers. I must mention one inaccuracy, though. It is highly advisable, but not absolutely compulsory, to use the words ‘provisional ball’ when playing a provisional ball, Rules interpretation 18.3b/2 refers.
Biggest mistake is not having fun m8
Tappin.....really?