Would love to see you guys address how to properly take a drop backwards in your line of play. Almost every single golfer I have ever played with misinterprets this rule to their benefit. They go backwards the same way the ball flew into the hazard. As opposed to backwards from the flag to the position of the ball and backwards on that same line.
Hi Thank u for this episode .Please advise where I can get a copy of the golf rules ( full version ). The rules book i got from the proshop seem abbreviated version e.g.relief from sprinkler close to the green. Thank you.
@@sethmarriott3570 Yes, a sprinkler head is an immovable obstruction and free relief is available if your ball is touching it or it interferes with you area of intended stance or swing - see Rule 16 for how to take relief
I agree, these videos are great and the presentation is first rate, but the conversation is a tad too casual. Please leave no room for doubt as to what exactly are the penalties.
Hi there. Can you explain how to play an unplayable ball when the hole is a dogleg to the right and you have thick forest on the left and right 50 yards away from the tee box and you go straight into the forest on either side after you have teed off. The forest is thick so you cannot go as far back as you want. How would you apply the two club lengths rule
Hi guys, thanks for the video, can I ask for a clarification on Nearest Point of Complete Relief - dropping from a cart path, can the nearest point of complete relief be inside a hazard area eg an area bound by red stakes? If the nearest point could be in a bush can it also be in a hazard area?
NO, to dropping in a Penalty Area. The PA Can't be a Point of Relief. The Bush is tough luck though. This is why you shouldn't pick up the Ball UNTIL after you have decided to take Relief.
NO. If the Ball might be in a Penalty Area, a Provisional isn't allowed. Playing again from the Tee puts that Ball in play and you now have 3 Strokes played AND the Original Ball is out of play - even if you do find it.
BTW, "wrong green" includes a practice green. This becomes an issue at my club where the main practice green is directly behind the 18th green of one of our courses.
Donald - yes it can/should do, but clubs may have a Local Rule allowing play from them, although I'm not sure why they might choose to do that. See Model Local Rule D-5 here... D-5 Status of Practice Putting Green or Temporary Putting Green Purpose. Wrong greens include practice greens for putting or pitching, but the Committee may choose to allow play from them by Local Rule (meaning that a player whose ball lies on such a green must play it from there). A temporary putting green for a hole is typically part of the general area when it is not in use, but the Committee may wish to clarify its status or declare it to be a wrong green. The Committee may also define a practice green or temporary green to be ground under repair which would allow a player to take free relief under Rule 16.1b. From my experience, practice putting greens are sometimes designated OOB too
Only if and when the greens are separated by a cart path, rough, fairway, etc. If they are connected, you can put them across to the correct pin. Like one of Oakmont CC's practice greens is connected to hole #9's green. You are allowed to putt it across/you don't need to remove it from the practice green.
In regards to taking relief from puddles on the green, does that include if a puddle is in your line? Are you allowed to move your ball to a point where you have a puddle free line on the green??
I would like to know what a path is in respect of relief. If you land on well trodden grass between a green and the next teeing box would you get relief from that? What defines a path?
Interesting information. I have Never known a provisional ball to be worse than the one I sprayed out into the shrubbery. When I go into the golf ball manufacturing business, I’m going to call them Provisionals...V1s
Love your channel, I'm trying to improve my golf game by knowing the rules better. I did notice that when you talk about penalties you don't say how much of a penalty, one stoke or two stokes. I think this would help your viewers. Thanks. TODD.
Also, see Rule 1-4 in the USGA rule book. My dad suggested that rule be adopted in the book. He was the Head Professional and Director of Golf at the Santa Ana Country Club in Orange County, Ca. for 25 years and Instructor of Rules and Tournaments at the Golf Academy in Temecula, Ca. Allow me to "brag" about my dad, I'm very proud of him being my father and his professional accomplishments. He was also honored with numerous golf awards. You can find his name by Googling " A History of the Santa Ana Country Club." As this gentleman wrote: Rule 1-4: Points Not Covered by Rules 1beardedgolfer / September 8, 2014 Rule 1-4 is an inevitable rule. It is the catch-all, the umbrella policy, the caulk for all the situations and nuances that aren’t specifically covered by the labyrinth of Rules and Official Decisions. And it just might be the most sensible Rule in the entire rule book. Simply put, Rule 1-4 requires golfers to use their honor and common sense to allow an inherent sense of fairness to guide their judgment of abnormal situations not contemplated by the Rules otherwise.
If in match play (or any other game) I notice a competitor getting ready to tee the ball ahead of the markers or some such other error, is it illegal to tell him that he's committing an infraction?
It is not illegal because it does not give course advice. You just spoke up and did the right thing + kept your place of play. Like "Hey, would you like me to move my marker?" It is not a penalty. Versus "Hey, you should be aiming 3 inches to the left on that putt, let me move my marker" is considered course advice/is illegal.
I played with a pal recently who played his ball into some bushes. He believed that he could take relief from the edge of the bushes rather than from where his ball had landed. My understanding of the rules is that he had 3 options. To place a marker 2 club lengths from his ball and play from within that area, to go back in a line keeping his ball in line with the pin and play from any point along that line, or, to play from where he played his last shot. Sometimes a ball can be more than 2 club lengths within bushes or trees, in which case taking relief as my friend suggested would be most advantageous. Am I correct or is my pal?
I played on a wet day par 3 downhill nearly slam dunked a hole in 1 the ball was unplayable as it was 1 inch dug in the green what should i have done it was 6 inches from the hole so i picked it up repaired the massive crater pitch mark but it was still sunken placed my ball in the mark and but as it was even i missed the birdie how embarrassing and gutted i was what should i have done? Clearly if i missed from so close probably told the groundskeeper to cut another hole at least 😮
I have a question regarding the 'teeing area' and the two club lengths of permissible area behind markers. At times I have seen the markers set so near the rear of the mowed tee box that there isn't a two club length choice, but maybe only a foot or two. Most recently this occured at a scramble tourney where the was a substantial prize for a hole-in-one. There was a person assigned to watch all shots that day to deter any false claims for the prize. So this hole was made a long as possible with no regard for the two club length rule. Any ideas?
Question: i hit s T shot middle of fairway and the striped pole that indicates the fairway is in my way do i get relief? Can i remove it? If i cant remove it other options please. Thanks 👍
Generally, if it's a movable obstruction (easily movable with reasonable effort and without damaging it or the course) then you can simply move it. If it can't be easily moved (e.g. concreted in) then it's an immovable obstruction and you can get free relief, but only if your ball is touching it or it interferes with area of intended stance or swing, not simply if it's on your line. I believe clubs can also declare such items 'integral objects' (i.e. no relief) but would hope that was pretty rare as it seems a little harsh to me
In the US, virtually every club has embraced the local rule 14.6 in order to keep up the pace of play. I'm surprised that the UK has not more widely embraced this one as well.
With regard to the third rule in the video about hitting more than one provisional, I assume that if you hit, say, 3 provisionals and don't find your original ball, you would be playing your 6th shot next. Is this correct?
he means continuing to play your first provisional if it didn't go as far as your first shot went. you continue playing it until you've reached where your original ball is suspected to be. so yes, you are right that if you play a second provisional, you are now hitting 5
You can Strike your Provisional Ball again, IF the PB is "still away" in relation to the Original "missing" Ball. Once the PB is closer to the Hole than the Original, the 3 Minute Search must be made. IF I have to hit a Second Provisional Ball, then the 2nd PB lies 5. The Original = 1, and the 1st PB = 3 NOW It's a matter of which Ball can be Found with each individual 3 Minute Search.
Until your Ball is on the Green, Sand and Soil are NOT considered "Loose Impediments" UNLESS Someone else causes these to land on or near your Ball that is At Rest. Think about this for a minute - the Course is Grass, Sand, and Soil.
NO, not considered "Giving Advice" Rules are like Course Information and can be discussed. However, telling an Opponent/Competitor WHICH Relief Option is "Best to Use" would be considered "Giving Advice".
Can you clarify the rule on advice, if I were to show a player what club I had just used, I assume I would be penalised, what would the penalty be, and would the other player receive a penalty. Finally does this rule apply to partners in a team event like 4BBB.
Yes, you would be penalised two strokes in strokeplay and loss of hole in matchplay. The other player would not be penalised if the advice was unsolicited, but would need to ask you not to do it again - see Interpretation 10.2a/2 here... 10.2a/2 - Player Must Try to Stop Ongoing Advice That Is Given Voluntarily If a player gets advice from someone other than his or her caddie (such as a spectator) without asking for it, he or she gets no penalty. However, if the player continues to get advice from that same person, the player must try to stop that person from giving advice. If the player does not do so, he or she is treated as asking for that advice and gets the penalty under Rule 10.2a. In a team competition (Rule 24), this also applies to a player who gets advice from a team captain who has not been named an advice giver. Finally, partners may give each other advice in pairs events
Here's a question. If a ball is plugged in the face of a bunker which is riveted or soil and is therefore part of the general area (page 65 of Players Edition, diagram 12.1) you are entitled to a free drop (rule 16.3b page 101). However it is quite possible that there is nowhere within one club length of the ball which is not closer to the hole (in the general area) or in the bunker. In this situation where do you drop?
Hello Will - yes, depending on the steepness of the face etc, it's highly unlikely the ball will stay in the relief area in the general area, which it must do (it can't be dropped into the bunker). In such circumstances you must first drop again if it won't stay within the relief area, and then place where it first touch the ground on the second drop if it still won't. If it won't stay at rest when placed, you place again and if it still won't you must place it at the nearest spot not nearer the hole in the general area where it will stay at rest (see last bit of Rule 14.3c and also Rule 14.2e)
With this sort of Embedded Ball, there can be Situations where there is no point "No Closer To The Hole" where you can drop. Then the Nearest Point of Relief would be a "Back On The Line" point behind the Bunker.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 When taking free relief from a plugged ball I don't think "back on line is an option". Since I posted this question I have seen a couple of videos on this scenario and the ruling was that if there was no spot within one club length which is not closer to the hole then free relief is not available and your only options are to play the ball as it lies or take unplayable ball relief under a 1 stroke penalty in which case you can go back on line but you cannot drop in the bunker. Rule 16.3b. I think I am correct in saying in the Open at St Andrews they had a local rule stipulating that riveted bunker faces were to be considered part of the bunker so an embedded ball could be dropped in the bunker under penalty. (not 100% sure on that)
@@Betleyman7853 I am going on how I read Rule 16.1b As long as the Face of the Bunker is considered General Area, I have to find a Reference Point that is the NEAREST Point of Complete Relief that is No nearer the Hole AND in the General Area. Depending on the relationship between the Location of the Embedded Ball and the Hole, The Reference Point (IN the General Area) might be behind the Bunker. That's why I referred to "Back on the Line" - to help with Visualizing the process.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 Rule 16.3 refers specifically to embedded ball. 16.3b/c clarifies that a player is not always allowed to take embedded ball relief. Relief is not allowed if "within one club length of and not nearer the hole from that reference point (immediately behind the ball), there is no part of the relief area that is in the general area" Rule 16.1b refers to abnormal ground conditions not embedded ball.
I'm still confused about OB. If I hit a ball and then when I get up there I realize it is out of bounds, what are my options now? (Assuming I didn't hit a provisional) In casual golf I'm not going to go back to the tee it will take too long. So what now?
If you are only playing casual golf (ie not completing an official scorecard ) , and don't feel like going back to the tee, then it's really up to you and your mates. Me and my mates would just count the hole as double par. Ie 8 for a par 4 and move on. I guess the lesson is that if you are in any doubt about OB, hit a provisional. If playing comp, then you would have to go back and tee off again, and u would be hitting you're 3rd shot
Hello David - under the Rules of Golf, in a competition you have no choice but to go back and play again under penalty of stroke and distance. In a friendly game, it's entirely up to you and your friends what casual 'rules' you choose to adopt to keep play moving. The R&A/USGA did devise a permissible Local Rule allowing you to drop back in at the nearest point on the fairway not nearer the hole for a penalty of two strokes, but in the UK at least, the handicap authorities wouldn't sanction it for competitive golf so very few clubs have adopted it
Alternatively he can incur a 2 stroke penalty and drop on the fairway, Right? If he choose to hit a provisional, then does it negate his choice to take the 2 stroke penalty and drop on the fairway if first ball is found to be OB?
The specific rule is you go back to where you played your previous shot & play again & add two shots to your score (the original one you hit plus a penalty stroke...so if it was your drive OOB you’d go back to the tee & play your third shot). In a friendly, where the card doesn’t count for handicap or a comp, lots of people just drop it back near where it went out & add two shots, so again, if it was your drive that was OOB your next shot would be your fourth. That has been included in the rules as an option but isn’t widely used as it isn’t acceptable for handicap...which is a whole other discussion given how handicapping now pretty much takes everything back to something like Stableford anyway.
If you hit a provisional but then find your first ball and determine it is unplayable can you then play the provisional or would you have to go back and hit another one off the tee (if that was the option you thought was best rather then a drop)?
Great question. As soon as you have found your ball, the provisional is no longer in play. You would then need to proceed under the unplayable ball rule - so yes, if your best option was to go back to the tee, that is what you would have to do (even though you played a provisional).
Just remember 2 club lengths or straight back with the flag may not get you out of the heather....you would then have to go hit it again from your last spot which is stroke and distance.
How about when you hit the ball from the fairway and you hit it thin over the green you don't know if it hit it OB or just before the trees line? is it a 2 stroke penalty if you can't find it or just a one stroke penalty?
Hello Chris - the penalty and procedure is the same whether it's OOB or lost - you go back and play again from where you last played under penalty of stroke and distance. So if it were your second shot originally, you would now be playing your fourth shot
In a recent sudden death playoff a player was given a distance measurement from a friend who was a spectator. Is this considered a rule impingement. It annoyed the other player and she was distracted enough to make a poor shot. Should she have referred it to the referee for a ruling. 🏌️♀️🌹
Definitely... spectators are not allowed to talk to the golfer. Even as far as getting DQ - at least in any tournaments I had played in they told us this.
Logically, if one can fix a ball divot on the fringe if the mark was made after your ball came to rest; the same should apply to sand that was deposited on the fringe in front of your ball after your ball came to rest (if your companion hit a bunker shot before you had a chance to play)
he's since done a video on this topic. Yes you can restore the "shot" that you had when your ball came to a rest after the previous shot. That's a rule changed recently. That now includes both ball location and any "loose impediments" between your ball and the hole.
If your ball is on the green and your ball in the puddle, or on your line... yes, if your ball has come to rest off the green and the puddle you want relief from is on the green... no. and... fringe is not green. You must take relief to the nearest point. I would expect that to be the fringe of the green.
At my club, where we have a number of overhead high voltage power lines, we have a local rule - “If a ball strikes a power cable the ball must be abandoned and the stroke MUST be retaken under no penalty” (their emphasis).
Some interesting rules in there some I didn't know about can you let us know next time when you do one of these videos what the amount of shot penalty is if a certain rule is broken.
seriously find one of Golf Monthlys' videos in the recommended videos list to the right click on the 3 vertical dots to the right select "don't recommend channel" and do yourself a world of good
John - no you would have to take relief by dropping under Rule 16.3b for an embedded ball. Essentially, your reference point is the spot right behind where the ball is embedded, and you then get a one club-length relief area/arc not nearer the hole in which to drop
if i ask yardage and my opponent gives me it but then says he hit a 7 iron, i didn't solicit the iron information, who gets the penalty? i cannot unhear what he said, but i didnt ask what iron he hit
Here, it depends whether that information about using the 7 iron, was intended as advice for you about to play your shot or (for simplification) just a general musing to themselves. No penalty for for the musing; 2 stroke penalty to your opponent if it was intended as advice (to influence your shot). To clarify, the rule penalises the active participant; the person that GIVES the advice or the person that ASKS for the advice. Hope that helps
Hi Steve, if you mean your partner in a four ball or foursomes match play, yes advice is fine. If you mean your playing partner who is your opponent in a match play event, advice is not allowed.
Hey fellas, love all the rules videos (already shared it with the three guys I played with today, we even talked about the first two rules today)... but I have a question about the one towards the end about the sand on the green. You said you can pretty much do what you like on the green (pretty much), but I had a situation where I was playing in a comp at a club (not my club) that had recently cored and sanded the greens and so there was a small amount of sand on the surface. As well as that, it had rained a little so there were some small rain marks in the sand. Not significant, but you could see them. I was of the opinion that in that case (recent sanding) the green is in that condition and you just have to deal with it. Repair pitch marks etc, is ok but smoothing down the line of your putt was not ok. He basically brushed the entire length of his putt for three short 3" putts in a row with the back of his gloved hand creating an almost smooth roll line. I wasn't certain so I didn't have that conversation, but you go back to the "if you think you are doing something wrong, you probably are" or "if you are modifying the conditions of your shots, take a penalty". Some feedback would be great, though. Thank you.
Under some circumstances, most courses will post local rule indicating that once on the green, you can pick up the ball and claim a two putt rule. My dad, who was a director of golf at a private course and instructor of rules and tournaments at a golf academy. posted this all the time when the greens were being maintained as described. Manly to insure a speedy recovery.
You can brush sand off your line if the sand was put there after your ball came to a rest. Not if it was there before. I would ask if you can clear sand before hitting any shot which might be affected by the sand, whether the sand was put there before or after. That would be something like sanding all of the divots ahead of your ball, not to mention raking all of the bunkers and fixing all of the divots on the green. Or getting free relief from said issues. So that raises an interesting question. If you're playing in late fall or after a storm and there are loose impediments on the course (not to mention on the green) can you clear those impediments before playing your ball? Do you get to clear them if your ball is obstructed by them? I would think this is a common action, as a green can catch a lot of loose impediments and if your ball comes to a rest behind a tree-branch, 99% of golfers would remove that branch and play on.
@@touristguy87 none of those points you made (or questions you ask) have any relevance to the question I asked. Additionally, “you can brush sand off your line if the sand was put there after your ball came to rest” is the rule for off the green only, you can do either on the green. You can repair any pitch marks etc ON the green, not off it prior to your shot. The reason you cannot move sand off the green unless put there after your ball came to rest is that sand is not classed as a loose impediment. You can move any loose impediment at any time prior to a shot. You can move sticks and things from around your ball, why do you think you can’t move them from the line of your shot?? They are all loose impediments. You cannot improve your lie by moving anything that is not a loose impediment when you are off the green. Can’t fix a divot off the green, but if you are chipping you can fix pitch marks on your line if they are on the green, but not off it. My question was to do with course conditions. The condition of the green was of a recently top dressed green with a light dusting of sand applied by the green keepers to the surface of the green. You can fix imperfections in the surface of the green, but the surface of the green is the dusted surface here, not grass. That was my distinction. If it was sand from a bunker shot, you can sweep it because it’s on the green and it’s an imperfection…. my case was not that.
@@1pierrr "none of those points you made (or questions you ask) have any relevance to the question I asked. " Yes they did. You might not agree, but I think they did. If you need *that* explained to you, then it's no wonder that you have trouble understanding the rules of golf. Which kinda explains the rest of your comment. I raised the issue of course-grooming as a general idea, as a devils-advocate position. You can't groom the course at will, so that answer your question. As well as addressing any questions resolving around "course condition". Why or whether sand is considered to be "a loose impediment" that can be moved at will is obvious when you consider that many bunkers are not only filled with sand, but so are *mounds* of sand. Hills of sand. Wash-outs, GIR, sand under long grass, etc. It al comes under the general concept of grooming the course to your liking. If that were legal then what would stop a player from going out in front and filling all the divots, waste-areas and water with sand or making sand-berms to keep their shots from rolling into hazards? What if they don't like the shape of a bunker? They'd just go out and move sand around until they liked it. As far as whether it's a "loose impediment" that has two parts. Is it loose? Is it an impediment? Without the rules people would argue that all day long. Your real question should be is that explained clearly in the rules. Which you should have researched before playing your club round. At least you kept your mouth shut as you didn't know, but you still could have asked the other player AND a referee if it was legal. He wouldn't be happy to receive a 4-stroke penalty and DQ for signing an incorrect scorecard on top of whatever he did that was a rules-violation.
You are playing with a group. Everyone hits their shot on a Par 3 for example. Is it against the rules after everyone hits (no pending provisionals etc.) to share club info then? E.g player 1: I hit a hard 7 I should have probably hit a light 6. Player 2: I had a similar thought and went with the 6.
Yes it's still against the rules. However if its just casual golf with your friends then it's entirely up to you as group. In competition there would be a penalty
Hello Matt - no, after you've all hit that would not be considered advice and would be okay. The Interpretations on the definition of 'advice' go into more detail about what is and isn't allowed... Interpretation Advice/2 - Verbal Comments or Actions That Are Not Advice Examples of comments or actions that are not advice include: During play of the 6th hole, a player asks another player what club he or she used on the 4th hole that is a par-3 of similar length. A player makes a second stroke that lands on the putting green. Another player does likewise. The first player then asks the second player what club was used for the second stroke. After making a stroke, a player says, "I should have used a 5-iron" to another player in the group that has yet to play onto the green, but not intending to influence his or her play. A player looks into another player's bag to determine which club he or she used for the last stroke without touching or moving anything. While lining up a putt, a player mistakenly seeks advice from another player's caddie, believing that caddie to be the player's caddie. The player immediately realizes the mistake and tells the other caddie not to answer.
4 options. Play another from the tee with a penalty shot. Play from the red hazard , no penalty, play a shot within 2 clublengths, no nearer the hole ,from the point where the ball crossed over the hazard margin with a penalty stroke. Play a ball as far back as you like , keeping the point where ball crossed hazard line and the flag stick in a straight line. Yellow hazard 3 of these same options, the 2 clublength rule is the one you cant use on yellow hazard.
#3, you say that you can keep playing the provisional ball until you arrive at where “you believe” the original ball to be. But if you play the provisional forward of the original, you no longer have the option of playing the original ball. That’s a critical distinction. Regardless of where you believe the original ball to be, if you play forward of that line, you relinquish the option to play the original.
I believe you must tell your opponent "hey, I am playing my original ball if I find it" or "I will play my provisional" before you take another swing. If you roll your provisional and hit it past your original (on the second shot), that is fine. Now if you hit your provisional past your original on the tee, you cannot hit your provisional until you mark your original as lost. If you do hit your provisional (when it is past your original), then you must play the provisional. You can't go back 20 yards and claim you found your original on a perfect lie and hit it.
A Provisional Ball can still be struck as long as the P B is "still away" in relation to the Original "missing" Ball, and then you will begin your 3 minute Search.
#3 If you play a provisional ball and then find your first shot, you are not allowed to play your provisional ball even if you consider your first ball unplayable; the player must proceed under Rule 19. The principle being that you are not permitted a choice of two balls. However, if you don't look, you can declare your first ball not found and play the provisional. But if you have not been clear about your decision and an opponent or fellow competitor finds it, how should you proceed?
you cannot, in any circumstance, declare a ball lost. As you say, you can simply not look for it but if your opponent finds it within the 3 minute search time then it is in play and you have to ignore/pick up your provisional. Your decision has nothing to do with it, if they wish to find your ball as it could be in a worse place then you can't stop them! The alternative you do have is not to say your 2nd ball is provisional (before you play it from the tee) then it immediately is in play and the 1st one is gone.
I'm grateful to my learned friend - they are correct. Under rule 18.1 you may take stroke and distance relief at any time (not just from the tee) providing you do not announce provision ball. This leads me to a different point. Sometimes players state "I will play another" without actually saying "provisional". That ball then becomes the ball in play, not a provisional. If you are playing a provisional, best to state provisional and get acknowledgement from the other players.
Did anyone else notice that (at about 4:55) while Jezz is looking around vaguely for his ball he seems to take another ball out of his pocket. What's that all about?
Taking relief from a bridge over the confines of a hazard. Twice iv'e had to tell players its not a free drop. its definately a rule not many players are aware of.
The ONLY Relief available and allowed from Inside a Penalty Area is One of the Available Penalty Area Relief Options, IF and WHEN a player cannot or will not "play it as it lies."
what about watching a player take a club out of the bag :-) and also just to check, if the sand gets in your way after your ball has come to rest I can brush it away like with fixing the pitchmark? Another rule which is getting consistently broken now is the 3 minute search- to be honest, the game needs an alternative to hitting a provisional. On my course if you miss the fairway there are times in the year where even if you are a yard off the fairway you can't find the ball unless you tread on it. Its going to get ridiculous, people are goign to hit provisional all the time- the game is slow enough already
If you can work out what club they have taken out, good fortune (or eyesight) to you. Watch alot of the professional caddies, they will often have a sneaky (and silent) peek at the other players bag. If they can work out what club is missing, without touching and/or verbally asking, then thats fine i believe. Just dont go searching too obvious as some may consider it poor etiquette in comp play
Hello David - you can now take a drop back on line outside a bunker if you so wish, but it will cost you an extra penalty stroke, so two penalty strokes rather than the one for dropping in the bunker
The biggest rule break I still see is touching the sand in the bunker when addressing the ball and taking the club back away from the ball, people do that and there is no way to prove it to the cheater after the shot so it's pointless even pointing it out.. After 2019 rules people still believe they can scoop the sand away like Patrick Reed. Also see a lot of players breaking the "standing water rule", people press down on the ground with 1 foot to get water out of the ground instead of just standing there to see if water comes up.. I wanted to ask about the 2 shot penalty from playing out of the teeing area, if a player in the group notices it and doesn't point it out, then the cheater marks down the wrong score and only after that the player in the group points it out, is it right to do it that way? Like is it the cheaters responsibility to "notice" it by themself or is in in the rules the co-player should give the cheater a notice before he gets disqualified? And is the cheater disqualified only after the card is signed, or is it right away after the score is written in the card without the penalty added..
Probs want to point out they are in front of the markes first in a stroke event (so you can still have a friendly drink in the club afterwards)... match play though... game on!!
@@1pierrr Yes I always do if I see it but it's not in the rules to point out mistakes before they happen? And also it's the players (doing the mistake) responsibility to be inside the teebox. I have seen it in the TV that players don't point it out because they are competing against the player doing the mistake.
I've asked this before and it has not been completely resolved , but no 9. Complete relief from a parallel cart path??? If the ball is 2ft 6in onto a cart path that is 4ft wide. To gain COMPLETE relief from the path, including your stance, you would have to move at least 5ft one side and 3ft the other side. 5ft to the rough, 3ft back to the fairway. Which is the nearest point of relief??
Hello Paul - the reply I gave before still applies... when you say 'you would have to move' are you talking about ball or stance? On a parallel path, to get your stance clear one side is going to involve the ball (the important factor) being much further away because the stance perhaps accounts for another two feet while on the other side you would have complete relief very close to the path. The nearest point is the nearest point of those two ball position options, whichever side that may be, even if the ball at rest is lying closer to one side of the path than the other
For a Right Handed Player the Point of Relief to the Left Side of the Path is about 6 inches off the Path. To the Right Side the PoR is at least 30 inches to the Right of the Path. Usually to get Right Side Relief the Ball had to be at least Two Feet to the Right of Center of the Path.
yes. providing they dont do the adjustment for distance due to change in elevation. If you have one of those lasers, and playing a comp, you should turn that function off.
Cannot use it to judge slope/elevation, cannot judge wind speed/direction and can not make suggestions such as which club to use. Most gps/lasers with these features will allow you to toggle them off for compliancy.
RULE QUESTION: didn't know what to do - so asking here as a shot in the dark. Yesterday I shanked a shot into the trees, and while chipping out, completely lost my ball. I lost sight of it at the moment of impact cuz leaves and sticks and things went everywhere, i didn't get a full swing, there were branches.....etc....but it was a 1/2 swing chip shot max so i knew it couldn't be far. my mate and i spent a minute looking for it, before suddenly hearing the ball drop to the ground. It had gotten lodged in a bush/tree, and while walking through the branches looking for it, my mate knocked it free and it fell to the ground. it would 100% have been unplayable if we'd found it where it landed, but because he hit the branches he inadvertently dislodged the ball, and it fell to somewhere I could play it. I chipped it out from there, and DID NOT take a penalty for it at the time - we don't take ourselves too seriously, and i ended up winning by 6 strokes anyways......but after the game we were discussing that situation. unplayable lie - opponent knocked it free accidentally - i played it from it's new position with no penalty. What's the actual rule on this one? Cheers
Interesting. I am not sure exactly.. I would say replace the ball with its original lie if indeed your opponent did accidentally cause the ball to move, but you clearly don't know the exact lie of where it was. So, you would agree (with the opponent) that it was somewhere in a bush and deem it unplayable. You would take the nearest relief with a stroke (since it was unplayable). 1. Tee shot 2. Shank into woods 3. Chip into a bush in the woods 4. deem in unplayable b/c original lie was agreed to be in a bush (but opponent accidentally moved it) and so on..I guess. Now you can always play two balls if you do not know of a ruling. So, this would be a good scenario lol
Quick question - the comments at 15:47 of "convincing your partner who doesn't have enough clubhead speed to get out, to play another shot" - doesn't that break the rule about giving advice about club selection? www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/pages/definitions?definitionsEdition=FullEdition#advice A player's ball is lying badly and the player is deliberating what action to take. Another player comments, "You have no shot at all. If I were you, I would decide to take unplayable ball relief." This comment is advice because it could have influenced the player in deciding how to play during a hole.
Hello there - we're talking about a foursomes partner there, and partners on the same side may always share advice. This bit at the end of Rule 10.2a in the full Rules (not shown in the Player's Edition) clarifies things... See Rules 22, 23 and 24 (in forms of play involving partners, a player may give advice to his or her partner or the partner’s caddie and may ask the partner or partner’s caddie for advice).
@@GethWho PARTNERS can discuss Anything they desire. I can provide Rules Information, and General Course Information, and ask the same of an Opponent/Competitor. I CANNOT tell them which I think "is Best to do."
how do you define 'receiving' advice? I mean, if someone says "You've got 120m to the pin. You should use an 8 iron", and I was going to use an 8 iron already anyway, I haven't asked for the advice. The person has said it. I can't control what others say, and it hasn't influenced my club selection?
Interpretation 10.2a/2: "If a player gets advice from someone other than his or her caddie (such as a spectator) without asking for it, he or she gets no penalty. However, if the player continues to get advice from that same person, the player must try to stop that person from giving advice. If the player does not do so, he or she is treated as asking for that advice "
@@superduperawesome6858 Yes (assuming ihey are not playing on the same side), see the definition of advice www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/pages/definitions?definitionsEdition=FullEdition#advice
@@matthoward123 Ah, okay - yes, many would feel likewise, and they got close to that with the permissible Local Rule when the Rules were last revised, but not quite there yet. It may come one day, perhaps...
Do people who play with Neil Tappin have a rule about him not saying things like "That's just a tap-in" when putting? I'd have a very hard time not making puns if I had that surname
Hello Bernard - temporary greens are usually part of the general area unless a club has a Local Rule in force designating them wrong greens, which it may be wise to do if they want to keep them in decent condition for when required. See Model Local Rule D-5 here... D-5 Status of Practice Putting Green or Temporary Putting Green Purpose. Wrong greens include practice greens for putting or pitching, but the Committee may choose to allow play from them by Local Rule (meaning that a player whose ball lies on such a green must play it from there). A temporary putting green for a hole is typically part of the general area when it is not in use, but the Committee may wish to clarify its status or declare it to be a wrong green. The Committee may also define a practice green or temporary green to be ground under repair which would allow a player to take free relief under Rule 16.1b. Model Local Rule D-5.1 "The practice green located [insert details of where the green is located] is not a wrong green and free relief is not required or permitted under Rule 13.1f." Model Local Rule D-5.2 "The temporary green located [insert details of where the green is located] is a wrong green even when not in use and relief must be taken under Rule 13.1f."
The no. 1 rule that all golfers get wrong relates to an outa date ham and cheese sandwich from the bar, this must be returned to the chair of the greens committee with a covering letter from your Medic or indeed Vet stating lack of flavour and soggy bread were unacceptable to a Five day member and should only be sold to the dreaded green fee ! Yup,dreadful business
Hello Peter - no you can't, but you may probe the area to see what the likelihood is if you fear there may be tree roots. See Interpretation 8.1a/7 here... 8.1a/7 - Player May Probe Near Ball to Determine if Tree Roots, Rocks or Obstructions Are Below Surface of Ground, but Only if This Does Not Improve Conditions Rule 8.1a does not prohibit a player from touching the ground within an area covered by conditions affecting the stroke, so long as those conditions are not improved. For example, without improving any of the conditions affecting the stroke, when the ball lies anywhere on the course, a player may probe the area around the ball with a tee or other object to see whether his or her club might strike a root, rock or obstruction below the surface of the ground when the stroke is made. However, see 12.2b/2 if the player probes sand in a bunker to test the condition of the sand.
@@swisstrader In what way? No you don't get relief but are allowed to probe to see if roots might be lurking beneath the surface. You still don't get relief even if they are, but it might affect how you choose to play your next shot
Jeremy Ellwood his question was do I get relief. Answer as I stated earlier is NO. Wasn’t a question abt probing for tree roots or testing conditions in the sand.
Hello Bernard - for temporary water in a bunker, you get free relief if you are able to drop in the bunker, and you are also allowed to drop at the point of maximum available relief if complete relief is not available (e.g. you could still be standing in water but able to drop out of the water, or you could drop where the water is shallower than where your ball is lying - wherever your point of maximum available relief is). If there really is nowhere to drop in the bunker, you can drop outside going back on line, but there is a one-stroke penalty
Provisional ball. Many golfers I know think they can play a provisional if they find the first ball and it's unplayable. I think this is Wrong. Provisional balls can only be played as a ball in play if the first ball is LOST or OUT OF BOUNDS. If you play a provisional and you then find your first ball, you have to play the first ball.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 no, the reason you can’t play the PB is because the Rules of Golf prevent it. The rule s only permit a PB in 2 specific circumstances. You can only play a provisional for a ball that is Lost or OOB. You may NOT play a PB for an unplayable ball, ever.
@@iainmackie7064 That's exactly what I said, You CAN'T Use a PB as the Stroke and Distance Relief Option for an Unplayable Ball. What were you reading??? I gave the Reason WHY.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 well you didn’t really. You claimed it was because it was a known result. That is incorrect. The Rules state a PB can only be played if the ball may be Lost or OOB. If someone plays a PB in any other circumstance then it immediately becomes a ball in play.
After looking for your ball for 3 minutes. Also if you a certain the ball has landed in a red or yellow staked hazard, next ball played from the original stroke area(if you choose to play from there) is ball in play with the penalty shot.
@@2321brendan if your ball lands on a bank outside the penalty area but roles back towards the penalty area and whilst it may be very probable the ball has gone into the penalty area you can’t be certain because you are too far away, can you play a provisional ball in that circumstance?
@@brianbeag Yep. Then if you find the original ball in the hazard , you can play it from the hazard ,as you took your provisional legally. You were not certain the original ball was in the hazard.
while interesting i find the idea of a series of videos picking 10, 12 or whatever rules out of the PGA rulebook and discussing them to be somewhat more than I want to see, considering that there is a rulebook, it has a lot of rules and there are many options when considering those rules. The video on unplayable lies out of bunkers? Interesting. An abstract list? I'm not going to bite on that one. It's just too clickbaity. top 10, top 12, fuck that...that shit is just played-out...probably why I'm just now seeing this 2 year old video
What about the new ruling on ready golf where if youn are ready to play and your opponent is not youn can play neven though he is still away being further from the pin?
10 RULES GOLFERS (STILL) GET WRONG! Look, seriously "golfers" are going to get every rule wrong. I doubt there's a single rule that everyone who plays golf gets right 100% of the time. Sometimes we even get them wrong intentionally BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PLAYING STRICT RULES
Hello Ron - no, that was only a permissible Local Rule not a Rule of Golf. Certainly in the UK very few, if any, clubs have adopted it as it can't be used in handicap qualifying competitions
Yea that’s definitely more of a local rule in the states. A lot of courses with vineyards, native grasses, or “environmentally sensitive areas” have adopted that rule. Some have it as a lateral hazard, others as a free drop, and some specify it as OB. All depends upon the course
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Thanks
Still the best surname in all of golf RUclips
We use the local rule to drop in from out of bounds during social golf with a 2 shot penalty, great idea IMO
A helpful video that would be better if you also shared the penalties for breaking each of the rules.
it's in the rules
@@touristguy87 thanks for the heads-up on that.
Would love to see you guys address how to properly take a drop backwards in your line of play. Almost every single golfer I have ever played with misinterprets this rule to their benefit. They go backwards the same way the ball flew into the hazard. As opposed to backwards from the flag to the position of the ball and backwards on that same line.
he's covered that in a rule specifically on this topic, taking unplayable drops out of bunkers. Maybe that was posted after your comment..
Hi Thank u for this episode
.Please advise where I can get a copy of the golf rules ( full version ). The rules book i got from the proshop seem abbreviated version e.g.relief from sprinkler close to the green. Thank you.
Always great videos. Can you clean debris in front of the ball on the fringe? Leaves, twigs, bugs, cigarette butts?
Yes. Just not sand or soil as these are not classed as loose impediments off the putting green.
Always love the rules videos but please let us know what the penalties are for each rule broken so to speak! 👍
Noted, Alfie!
@@sethmarriott3570 Yes, a sprinkler head is an immovable obstruction and free relief is available if your ball is touching it or it interferes with you area of intended stance or swing - see Rule 16 for how to take relief
@@sethmarriott3570 you are playing in tournament golf and you don't know you get relief from a sprinkler head????
I agree, these videos are great and the presentation is first rate, but the conversation is a tad too casual. Please leave no room for doubt as to what exactly are the penalties.
Hi there. Can you explain how to play an unplayable ball when the hole is a dogleg to the right and you have thick forest on the left and right 50 yards away from the tee box and you go straight into the forest on either side after you have teed off. The forest is thick so you cannot go as far back as you want. How would you apply the two club lengths rule
Hi guys, thanks for the video, can I ask for a clarification on Nearest Point of Complete Relief - dropping from a cart path, can the nearest point of complete relief be inside a hazard area eg an area bound by red stakes? If the nearest point could be in a bush can it also be in a hazard area?
NO, to dropping in a Penalty Area. The PA Can't be a Point of Relief.
The Bush is tough luck though.
This is why you shouldn't pick up the Ball UNTIL after you have decided to take Relief.
I like the dinosaur in the background doing a face-plant on the bed.
We all have rough nights sometimes lol
Presenting itself
Bed? in the kitchen? Or is it kitchen appliances in the bedroom? I think it is actually a couch ;)
What is the rule regarding provisional ball with regards to a possibility of the first ball being lost in a water penalty area on a par 3.
NO. If the Ball might be in a Penalty Area, a Provisional isn't allowed.
Playing again from the Tee puts that Ball in play and you now have 3 Strokes played AND the Original Ball is out of play - even if you do find it.
BTW, "wrong green" includes a practice green. This becomes an issue at my club where the main practice green is directly behind the 18th green of one of our courses.
Donald - yes it can/should do, but clubs may have a Local Rule allowing play from them, although I'm not sure why they might choose to do that. See Model Local Rule D-5 here... D-5
Status of Practice Putting Green or Temporary Putting Green
Purpose. Wrong greens include practice greens for putting or pitching, but the Committee may choose to allow play from them by Local Rule (meaning that a player whose ball lies on such a green must play it from there). A temporary putting green for a hole is typically part of the general area when it is not in use, but the Committee may wish to clarify its status or declare it to be a wrong green. The Committee may also define a practice green or temporary green to be ground under repair which would allow a player to take free relief under Rule 16.1b.
From my experience, practice putting greens are sometimes designated OOB too
Only if and when the greens are separated by a cart path, rough, fairway, etc. If they are connected, you can put them across to the correct pin. Like one of Oakmont CC's practice greens is connected to hole #9's green. You are allowed to putt it across/you don't need to remove it from the practice green.
In regards to taking relief from puddles on the green, does that include if a puddle is in your line? Are you allowed to move your ball to a point where you have a puddle free line on the green??
I would like to know what a path is in respect of relief. If you land on well trodden grass between a green and the next teeing box would you get relief from that? What defines a path?
Interesting information. I have Never known a provisional ball to be worse than the one I sprayed out into the shrubbery. When I go into the golf ball manufacturing business, I’m going to call them Provisionals...V1s
Love your channel, I'm trying to improve my golf game by knowing the rules better. I did notice that when you talk about penalties you don't say how much of a penalty, one stoke or two stokes. I think this would help your viewers. Thanks. TODD.
...only if they care, yes?
Also, see Rule 1-4 in the USGA rule book. My dad suggested that rule be adopted in the book. He was the Head Professional and Director of Golf at the Santa Ana Country Club in Orange County, Ca. for 25 years and Instructor of Rules and Tournaments at the Golf Academy in Temecula, Ca. Allow me to "brag" about my dad, I'm very proud of him being my father and his professional accomplishments. He was also honored with numerous golf awards. You can find his name by Googling " A History of the Santa Ana Country Club."
As this gentleman wrote:
Rule 1-4: Points Not Covered by Rules
1beardedgolfer / September 8, 2014
Rule 1-4 is an inevitable rule. It is the catch-all, the umbrella policy, the caulk for all the situations and nuances that aren’t specifically covered by the labyrinth of Rules and Official Decisions.
And it just might be the most sensible Rule in the entire rule book. Simply put, Rule 1-4 requires golfers to use their honor and common sense to allow an inherent sense of fairness to guide their judgment of abnormal situations not contemplated by the Rules otherwise.
If in match play (or any other game) I notice a competitor getting ready to tee the ball ahead of the markers or some such other error, is it illegal to tell him that he's committing an infraction?
It is not illegal because it does not give course advice. You just spoke up and did the right thing + kept your place of play.
Like "Hey, would you like me to move my marker?" It is not a penalty.
Versus "Hey, you should be aiming 3 inches to the left on that putt, let me move my marker" is considered course advice/is illegal.
I played with a pal recently who played his ball into some bushes. He believed that he could take relief from the edge of the bushes rather than from where his ball had landed. My understanding of the rules is that he had 3 options. To place a marker 2 club lengths from his ball and play from within that area, to go back in a line keeping his ball in line with the pin and play from any point along that line, or, to play from where he played his last shot. Sometimes a ball can be more than 2 club lengths within bushes or trees, in which case taking relief as my friend suggested would be most advantageous. Am I correct or is my pal?
I played on a wet day par 3 downhill nearly slam dunked a hole in 1 the ball was unplayable as it was 1 inch dug in the green what should i have done it was 6 inches from the hole so i picked it up repaired the massive crater pitch mark but it was still sunken placed my ball in the mark and but as it was even i missed the birdie how embarrassing and gutted i was what should i have done? Clearly if i missed from so close probably told the groundskeeper to cut another hole at least 😮
I have a question regarding the 'teeing area' and the two club lengths of permissible area behind markers. At times I have seen the markers set so near the rear of the mowed tee box that there isn't a two club length choice, but maybe only a foot or two. Most recently this occured at a scramble tourney where the was a substantial prize for a hole-in-one. There was a person assigned to watch all shots that day to deter any false claims for the prize. So this hole was made a long as possible with no regard for the two club length rule. Any ideas?
I would guess that you raise the issue with the marker guy watching the shots before you tee off
Question: i hit s T shot middle of fairway and the striped pole that indicates the fairway is in my way do i get relief? Can i remove it? If i cant remove it other options please. Thanks 👍
Generally, if it's a movable obstruction (easily movable with reasonable effort and without damaging it or the course) then you can simply move it. If it can't be easily moved (e.g. concreted in) then it's an immovable obstruction and you can get free relief, but only if your ball is touching it or it interferes with area of intended stance or swing, not simply if it's on your line. I believe clubs can also declare such items 'integral objects' (i.e. no relief) but would hope that was pretty rare as it seems a little harsh to me
@@jeremyellwood4515 thanks for the reply very helpful. i will take a chainsaw incase its fixed in for next time 👍
In the US, virtually every club has embraced the local rule 14.6 in order to keep up the pace of play. I'm surprised that the UK has not more widely embraced this one as well.
With regard to the third rule in the video about hitting more than one provisional, I assume that if you hit, say, 3 provisionals and don't find your original ball, you would be playing your 6th shot next. Is this correct?
he means continuing to play your first provisional if it didn't go as far as your first shot went. you continue playing it until you've reached where your original ball is suspected to be. so yes, you are right that if you play a second provisional, you are now hitting 5
You can Strike your Provisional Ball again, IF the PB is "still away" in relation to the Original "missing" Ball.
Once the PB is closer to the Hole than the Original, the 3 Minute Search must be made.
IF I have to hit a Second Provisional Ball, then the 2nd PB lies 5.
The Original = 1, and the 1st PB = 3
NOW It's a matter of which Ball can be Found with each individual 3 Minute Search.
Why is sand in your path not cosindered a loose impediment? Seems odd. What if it was a leaf or twig?
Until your Ball is on the Green, Sand and Soil are NOT considered "Loose Impediments" UNLESS Someone else causes these to land on or near your Ball that is At Rest.
Think about this for a minute - the Course is Grass, Sand, and Soil.
Taking proper relief either with or without a penalty, and making a proper drop is the most common rules violation I encounter
Does discussion of the rules or notification of a rule that a partner didn't know and the options the rules provide constitute giving advice?
NO, not considered "Giving Advice"
Rules are like Course Information and can be discussed.
However, telling an Opponent/Competitor WHICH Relief Option is "Best to Use" would be considered "Giving Advice".
Can you clarify the rule on advice, if I were to show a player what club I had just used, I assume I would be penalised, what would the penalty be, and would the other player receive a penalty. Finally does this rule apply to partners in a team event like 4BBB.
Yes, you would be penalised two strokes in strokeplay and loss of hole in matchplay. The other player would not be penalised if the advice was unsolicited, but would need to ask you not to do it again - see Interpretation 10.2a/2 here...
10.2a/2 - Player Must Try to Stop Ongoing Advice That Is Given Voluntarily
If a player gets advice from someone other than his or her caddie (such as a spectator) without asking for it, he or she gets no penalty. However, if the player continues to get advice from that same person, the player must try to stop that person from giving advice. If the player does not do so, he or she is treated as asking for that advice and gets the penalty under Rule 10.2a.
In a team competition (Rule 24), this also applies to a player who gets advice from a team captain who has not been named an advice giver.
Finally, partners may give each other advice in pairs events
Partners can ask for and give Advice to their Partners.
Opponents CANNOT.
Here's a question. If a ball is plugged in the face of a bunker which is riveted or soil and is therefore part of the general area (page 65 of Players Edition, diagram 12.1) you are entitled to a free drop (rule 16.3b page 101). However it is quite possible that there is nowhere within one club length of the ball which is not closer to the hole (in the general area) or in the bunker. In this situation where do you drop?
Hello Will - yes, depending on the steepness of the face etc, it's highly unlikely the ball will stay in the relief area in the general area, which it must do (it can't be dropped into the bunker). In such circumstances you must first drop again if it won't stay within the relief area, and then place where it first touch the ground on the second drop if it still won't. If it won't stay at rest when placed, you place again and if it still won't you must place it at the nearest spot not nearer the hole in the general area where it will stay at rest (see last bit of Rule 14.3c and also Rule 14.2e)
With this sort of Embedded Ball, there can be Situations where there is no point "No Closer To The Hole" where you can drop.
Then the Nearest Point of Relief would be a "Back On The Line" point behind the Bunker.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 When taking free relief from a plugged ball I don't think "back on line is an option". Since I posted this question I have seen a couple of videos on this scenario and the ruling was that if there was no spot within one club length which is not closer to the hole then free relief is not available and your only options are to play the ball as it lies or take unplayable ball relief under a 1 stroke penalty in which case you can go back on line but you cannot drop in the bunker. Rule 16.3b. I think I am correct in saying in the Open at St Andrews they had a local rule stipulating that riveted bunker faces were to be considered part of the bunker so an embedded ball could be dropped in the bunker under penalty. (not 100% sure on that)
@@Betleyman7853 I am going on how I read Rule 16.1b
As long as the Face of the Bunker is considered General Area, I have to find a Reference Point that is the NEAREST Point of Complete Relief that is No nearer the Hole AND in the General Area.
Depending on the relationship between the Location of the Embedded Ball and the Hole, The Reference Point (IN the General Area) might be behind the Bunker.
That's why I referred to "Back on the Line" - to help with Visualizing the process.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 Rule 16.3 refers specifically to embedded ball. 16.3b/c clarifies that a player is not always allowed to take embedded ball relief. Relief is not allowed if "within one club length of and not nearer the hole from that reference point (immediately behind the ball), there is no part of the relief area that is in the general area"
Rule 16.1b refers to abnormal ground conditions not embedded ball.
I'm still confused about OB. If I hit a ball and then when I get up there I realize it is out of bounds, what are my options now? (Assuming I didn't hit a provisional) In casual golf I'm not going to go back to the tee it will take too long. So what now?
You then have to go back to the tee box and hit a provisional.
If you are only playing casual golf (ie not completing an official scorecard ) , and don't feel like going back to the tee, then it's really up to you and your mates. Me and my mates would just count the hole as double par. Ie 8 for a par 4 and move on. I guess the lesson is that if you are in any doubt about OB, hit a provisional. If playing comp, then you would have to go back and tee off again, and u would be hitting you're 3rd shot
Hello David - under the Rules of Golf, in a competition you have no choice but to go back and play again under penalty of stroke and distance. In a friendly game, it's entirely up to you and your friends what casual 'rules' you choose to adopt to keep play moving. The R&A/USGA did devise a permissible Local Rule allowing you to drop back in at the nearest point on the fairway not nearer the hole for a penalty of two strokes, but in the UK at least, the handicap authorities wouldn't sanction it for competitive golf so very few clubs have adopted it
Alternatively he can incur a 2 stroke penalty and drop on the fairway, Right? If he choose to hit a provisional, then does it negate his choice to take the 2 stroke penalty and drop on the fairway if first ball is found to be OB?
The specific rule is you go back to where you played your previous shot & play again & add two shots to your score (the original one you hit plus a penalty stroke...so if it was your drive OOB you’d go back to the tee & play your third shot). In a friendly, where the card doesn’t count for handicap or a comp, lots of people just drop it back near where it went out & add two shots, so again, if it was your drive that was OOB your next shot would be your fourth. That has been included in the rules as an option but isn’t widely used as it isn’t acceptable for handicap...which is a whole other discussion given how handicapping now pretty much takes everything back to something like Stableford anyway.
If you hit a provisional but then find your first ball and determine it is unplayable can you then play the provisional or would you have to go back and hit another one off the tee (if that was the option you thought was best rather then a drop)?
Great question. As soon as you have found your ball, the provisional is no longer in play. You would then need to proceed under the unplayable ball rule - so yes, if your best option was to go back to the tee, that is what you would have to do (even though you played a provisional).
@@GolfMonthly would that be your 3rd or 5th shot?
@@alexdkeen9063 3rd - if you find your find your first ball then the provisional never existed
The Main reason you CAN'T use a Provisional as the Stroke and Distance Relief option for an Unplayable Lie is: the Provisional is a Known Outcome.
I’ve taken several hacks to get out of deep heather before. I won’t in future, I’ll use the unplayable ball option.
Just remember 2 club lengths or straight back with the flag may not get you out of the heather....you would then have to go hit it again from your last spot which is stroke and distance.
How about when you hit the ball from the fairway and you hit it thin over the green you don't know if it hit it OB or just before the trees line? is it a 2 stroke penalty if you can't find it or just a one stroke penalty?
Hello Chris - the penalty and procedure is the same whether it's OOB or lost - you go back and play again from where you last played under penalty of stroke and distance. So if it were your second shot originally, you would now be playing your fourth shot
I'm new and we just play for fun. But what happens when you slice it into another fairway? Can you play it back to yours?
Usually, unless that fairway has been designated an internal out of bounds, which is sometimes the case for safety reasons on a dogleg, for example
@@jeremyellwood4515 thank you!
Are air shots counted as a stroke?
In a recent sudden death playoff a player was given a distance measurement from a friend who was a spectator. Is this considered a rule impingement. It annoyed the other player and she was distracted enough to make a poor shot. Should she have referred it to the referee for a ruling. 🏌️♀️🌹
Definitely... spectators are not allowed to talk to the golfer. Even as far as getting DQ - at least in any tournaments I had played in they told us this.
Logically, if one can fix a ball divot on the fringe if the mark was made after your ball came to rest; the same should apply to sand that was deposited on the fringe in front of your ball after your ball came to rest (if your companion hit a bunker shot before you had a chance to play)
he's since done a video on this topic.
Yes you can restore the "shot" that you had when your ball came to a rest after the previous shot.
That's a rule changed recently. That now includes both ball location and any "loose impediments" between your ball and the hole.
If you strike a ball onto the green and into a puddle can you get relief?
Can you play of the fringe of another green?
If your ball is on the green and your ball in the puddle, or on your line... yes, if your ball has come to rest off the green and the puddle you want relief from is on the green... no.
and... fringe is not green. You must take relief to the nearest point. I would expect that to be the fringe of the green.
What are the rules on the ball hitting an immovable object on the course, such as a sprinkler, pylon or overhead wire?
Play the next shot where the ball lies. No relief.
At my club, where we have a number of overhead high voltage power lines, we have a local rule - “If a ball strikes a power cable the ball must be abandoned and the stroke MUST be retaken under no penalty” (their emphasis).
Some interesting rules in there some I didn't know about can you let us know next time when you do one of these videos what the amount of shot penalty is if a certain rule is broken.
Thank you, Jamie - we will try to address that in future videos
seriously find one of Golf Monthlys' videos in the recommended videos list to the right
click on the 3 vertical dots to the right
select "don't recommend channel" and do yourself a world of good
If you ball becomes imbedded on the fringe you can lift the ball and repair the damage under you ball and replace your ball. Correct?
proceed under the rule for a plugged ball, which was changed for 2019.
John - no you would have to take relief by dropping under Rule 16.3b for an embedded ball. Essentially, your reference point is the spot right behind where the ball is embedded, and you then get a one club-length relief area/arc not nearer the hole in which to drop
if i ask yardage and my opponent gives me it but then says he hit a 7 iron, i didn't solicit the iron information, who gets the penalty? i cannot unhear what he said, but i didnt ask what iron he hit
andy wallace I thought the same thing. I’d hope that no one gets penalized there as you didn’t ask for club info.
Here, it depends whether that information about using the 7 iron, was intended as advice for you about to play your shot or (for simplification) just a general musing to themselves.
No penalty for for the musing; 2 stroke penalty to your opponent if it was intended as advice (to influence your shot).
To clarify, the rule penalises the active participant; the person that GIVES the advice or the person that ASKS for the advice.
Hope that helps
16 on the 8th in club champs!! Take an unplayable 😠
When giving or receiving advice who is penalised?
What about giving advice on club choice to your partner in pairs matchplay?
Hi Steve, if you mean your partner in a four ball or foursomes match play, yes advice is fine. If you mean your playing partner who is your opponent in a match play event, advice is not allowed.
If it's the opponent, just lie.
Hey fellas, love all the rules videos (already shared it with the three guys I played with today, we even talked about the first two rules today)... but I have a question about the one towards the end about the sand on the green. You said you can pretty much do what you like on the green (pretty much), but I had a situation where I was playing in a comp at a club (not my club) that had recently cored and sanded the greens and so there was a small amount of sand on the surface. As well as that, it had rained a little so there were some small rain marks in the sand. Not significant, but you could see them. I was of the opinion that in that case (recent sanding) the green is in that condition and you just have to deal with it. Repair pitch marks etc, is ok but smoothing down the line of your putt was not ok. He basically brushed the entire length of his putt for three short 3" putts in a row with the back of his gloved hand creating an almost smooth roll line. I wasn't certain so I didn't have that conversation, but you go back to the "if you think you are doing something wrong, you probably are" or "if you are modifying the conditions of your shots, take a penalty". Some feedback would be great, though. Thank you.
Under some circumstances, most courses will post local rule indicating that once on the green, you can pick up the ball and claim a two putt rule. My dad, who was a director of golf at a private course and instructor of rules and tournaments at a golf academy. posted this all the time when the greens were being maintained as described. Manly to insure a speedy recovery.
You can brush sand off your line if the sand was put there after your ball came to a rest. Not if it was there before. I would ask if you can clear sand before hitting any shot which might be affected by the sand, whether the sand was put there before or after. That would be something like sanding all of the divots ahead of your ball, not to mention raking all of the bunkers and fixing all of the divots on the green. Or getting free relief from said issues. So that raises an interesting question. If you're playing in late fall or after a storm and there are loose impediments on the course (not to mention on the green) can you clear those impediments before playing your ball? Do you get to clear them if your ball is obstructed by them? I would think this is a common action, as a green can catch a lot of loose impediments and if your ball comes to a rest behind a tree-branch, 99% of golfers would remove that branch and play on.
@@touristguy87 none of those points you made (or questions you ask) have any relevance to the question I asked.
Additionally, “you can brush sand off your line if the sand was put there after your ball came to rest” is the rule for off the green only, you can do either on the green. You can repair any pitch marks etc ON the green, not off it prior to your shot. The reason you cannot move sand off the green unless put there after your ball came to rest is that sand is not classed as a loose impediment. You can move any loose impediment at any time prior to a shot. You can move sticks and things from around your ball, why do you think you can’t move them from the line of your shot?? They are all loose impediments. You cannot improve your lie by moving anything that is not a loose impediment when you are off the green. Can’t fix a divot off the green, but if you are chipping you can fix pitch marks on your line if they are on the green, but not off it.
My question was to do with course conditions. The condition of the green was of a recently top dressed green with a light dusting of sand applied by the green keepers to the surface of the green. You can fix imperfections in the surface of the green, but the surface of the green is the dusted surface here, not grass. That was my distinction. If it was sand from a bunker shot, you can sweep it because it’s on the green and it’s an imperfection…. my case was not that.
@@1pierrr
"none of those points you made (or questions you ask) have any relevance to the question I asked. "
Yes they did.
You might not agree, but I think they did.
If you need *that* explained to you, then it's no wonder that you have trouble understanding the rules of golf.
Which kinda explains the rest of your comment. I raised the issue of course-grooming as a general idea, as a devils-advocate position. You can't groom the course at will, so that answer your question.
As well as addressing any questions resolving around "course condition".
Why or whether sand is considered to be "a loose impediment" that can be moved at will is obvious when you consider that many bunkers are not only filled with sand, but so are *mounds* of sand. Hills of sand. Wash-outs, GIR, sand under long grass, etc. It al comes under the general concept of grooming the course to your liking. If that were legal then what would stop a player from going out in front and filling all the divots, waste-areas and water with sand or making sand-berms to keep their shots from rolling into hazards? What if they don't like the shape of a bunker? They'd just go out and move sand around until they liked it. As far as whether it's a "loose impediment" that has two parts. Is it loose? Is it an impediment? Without the rules people would argue that all day long.
Your real question should be is that explained clearly in the rules. Which you should have researched before playing your club round. At least you kept your mouth shut as you didn't know, but you still could have asked the other player AND a referee if it was legal. He wouldn't be happy to receive a 4-stroke penalty and DQ for signing an incorrect scorecard on top of whatever he did that was a rules-violation.
You are playing with a group. Everyone hits their shot on a Par 3 for example. Is it against the rules after everyone hits (no pending provisionals etc.) to share club info then? E.g player 1: I hit a hard 7 I should have probably hit a light 6. Player 2: I had a similar thought and went with the 6.
Yes it's still against the rules. However if its just casual golf with your friends then it's entirely up to you as group. In competition there would be a penalty
Hello Matt - no, after you've all hit that would not be considered advice and would be okay. The Interpretations on the definition of 'advice' go into more detail about what is and isn't allowed...
Interpretation Advice/2 - Verbal Comments or Actions That Are Not Advice
Examples of comments or actions that are not advice include:
During play of the 6th hole, a player asks another player what club he or she used on the 4th hole that is a par-3 of similar length.
A player makes a second stroke that lands on the putting green. Another player does likewise. The first player then asks the second player what club was used for the second stroke.
After making a stroke, a player says, "I should have used a 5-iron" to another player in the group that has yet to play onto the green, but not intending to influence his or her play.
A player looks into another player's bag to determine which club he or she used for the last stroke without touching or moving anything.
While lining up a putt, a player mistakenly seeks advice from another player's caddie, believing that caddie to be the player's caddie. The player immediately realizes the mistake and tells the other caddie not to answer.
What course was featured in this video?
A variety of courses in the video cutaways including Royal Ashdown Forest, West Hill, London Club, Carnoustie and I think Dundonald
The drive into a red staked lateral water hazard off the tee. What are the options here now?
4 options. Play another from the tee with a penalty shot. Play from the red hazard , no penalty, play a shot within 2 clublengths, no nearer the hole ,from the point where the ball crossed over the hazard margin with a penalty stroke. Play a ball as far back as you like , keeping the point where ball crossed hazard line and the flag stick in a straight line. Yellow hazard 3 of these same options, the 2 clublength rule is the one you cant use on yellow hazard.
#3, you say that you can keep playing the provisional ball until you arrive at where “you believe” the original ball to be. But if you play the provisional forward of the original, you no longer have the option of playing the original ball. That’s a critical distinction. Regardless of where you believe the original ball to be, if you play forward of that line, you relinquish the option to play the original.
I believe you must tell your opponent "hey, I am playing my original ball if I find it" or "I will play my provisional" before you take another swing.
If you roll your provisional and hit it past your original (on the second shot), that is fine. Now if you hit your provisional past your original on the tee, you cannot hit your provisional until you mark your original as lost. If you do hit your provisional (when it is past your original), then you must play the provisional. You can't go back 20 yards and claim you found your original on a perfect lie and hit it.
A Provisional Ball can still be struck as long as the P B is "still away" in relation to the Original "missing" Ball, and then you will begin your 3 minute Search.
Good golfers name - Neil Tap-in! ..
Heh. Bet you’ve not heard that one before.
#3 If you play a provisional ball and then find your first shot, you are not allowed to play your provisional ball even if you consider your first ball unplayable; the player must proceed under Rule 19. The principle being that you are not permitted a choice of two balls. However, if you don't look, you can declare your first ball not found and play the provisional. But if you have not been clear about your decision and an opponent or fellow competitor finds it, how should you proceed?
you cannot, in any circumstance, declare a ball lost. As you say, you can simply not look for it but if your opponent finds it within the 3 minute search time then it is in play and you have to ignore/pick up your provisional. Your decision has nothing to do with it, if they wish to find your ball as it could be in a worse place then you can't stop them!
The alternative you do have is not to say your 2nd ball is provisional (before you play it from the tee) then it immediately is in play and the 1st one is gone.
I'm grateful to my learned friend - they are correct. Under rule 18.1 you may take stroke and distance relief at any time (not just from the tee) providing you do not announce provision ball. This leads me to a different point. Sometimes players state "I will play another" without actually saying "provisional". That ball then becomes the ball in play, not a provisional. If you are playing a provisional, best to state provisional and get acknowledgement from the other players.
#7, I had no idea
Did anyone else notice that (at about 4:55) while Jezz is looking around vaguely for his ball he seems to take another ball out of his pocket. What's that all about?
Probably resigned myself to the long walk back...
But what is the penalty for no 1 mate
Taking relief from a bridge over the confines of a hazard. Twice iv'e had to tell players its not a free drop. its definately a rule not many players are aware of.
Correct because the bridge is in a penalty zone.. but you can play it where it lies!
The ONLY Relief available and allowed from Inside a Penalty Area is One of the Available Penalty Area Relief Options, IF and WHEN a player cannot or will not "play it as it lies."
what about watching a player take a club out of the bag :-) and also just to check, if the sand gets in your way after your ball has come to rest I can brush it away like with fixing the pitchmark? Another rule which is getting consistently broken now is the 3 minute search- to be honest, the game needs an alternative to hitting a provisional. On my course if you miss the fairway there are times in the year where even if you are a yard off the fairway you can't find the ball unless you tread on it. Its going to get ridiculous, people are goign to hit provisional all the time- the game is slow enough already
If you can work out what club they have taken out, good fortune (or eyesight) to you.
Watch alot of the professional caddies, they will often have a sneaky (and silent) peek at the other players bag. If they can work out what club is missing, without touching and/or verbally asking, then thats fine i believe.
Just dont go searching too obvious as some may consider it poor etiquette in comp play
Hi,I would like to see the rule,where you can now take penalty drop out of bunker,if at all possible.
Hello David - you can now take a drop back on line outside a bunker if you so wish, but it will cost you an extra penalty stroke, so two penalty strokes rather than the one for dropping in the bunker
Rule 19.3b
The biggest rule break I still see is touching the sand in the bunker when addressing the ball and taking the club back away from the ball, people do that and there is no way to prove it to the cheater after the shot so it's pointless even pointing it out.. After 2019 rules people still believe they can scoop the sand away like Patrick Reed.
Also see a lot of players breaking the "standing water rule", people press down on the ground with 1 foot to get water out of the ground instead of just standing there to see if water comes up..
I wanted to ask about the 2 shot penalty from playing out of the teeing area, if a player in the group notices it and doesn't point it out, then the cheater marks down the wrong score and only after that the player in the group points it out, is it right to do it that way? Like is it the cheaters responsibility to "notice" it by themself or is in in the rules the co-player should give the cheater a notice before he gets disqualified? And is the cheater disqualified only after the card is signed, or is it right away after the score is written in the card without the penalty added..
Probs want to point out they are in front of the markes first in a stroke event (so you can still have a friendly drink in the club afterwards)... match play though... game on!!
Its also when he hasn't correctly completed the hole disqualification takes place.
@@1pierrr Yes I always do if I see it but it's not in the rules to point out mistakes before they happen? And also it's the players (doing the mistake) responsibility to be inside the teebox. I have seen it in the TV that players don't point it out because they are competing against the player doing the mistake.
I've asked this before and it has not been completely resolved , but no 9. Complete relief from a parallel cart path???
If the ball is 2ft 6in onto a cart path that is 4ft wide. To gain COMPLETE relief from the path, including your stance, you would have to move at least 5ft one side and 3ft the other side. 5ft to the rough, 3ft back to the fairway. Which is the nearest point of relief??
Hello Paul - the reply I gave before still applies... when you say 'you would have to move' are you talking about ball or stance? On a parallel path, to get your stance clear one side is going to involve the ball (the important factor) being much further away because the stance perhaps accounts for another two feet while on the other side you would have complete relief very close to the path. The nearest point is the nearest point of those two ball position options, whichever side that may be, even if the ball at rest is lying closer to one side of the path than the other
Fairway... 3' is closer.
For a Right Handed Player the Point of Relief to the Left Side of the Path is about 6 inches off the Path.
To the Right Side the PoR is at least 30 inches to the Right of the Path.
Usually to get Right Side Relief the Ball had to be at least Two Feet to the Right of Center of the Path.
Can you use instruments to determine distance.
yes. providing they dont do the adjustment for distance due to change in elevation. If you have one of those lasers, and playing a comp, you should turn that function off.
Cannot use it to judge slope/elevation, cannot judge wind speed/direction and can not make suggestions such as which club to use. Most gps/lasers with these features will allow you to toggle them off for compliancy.
So what do you do if you got out of bounds??
Just go home.
7:49 is morrissey your caddy?? :D
RULE QUESTION: didn't know what to do - so asking here as a shot in the dark. Yesterday I shanked a shot into the trees, and while chipping out, completely lost my ball. I lost sight of it at the moment of impact cuz leaves and sticks and things went everywhere, i didn't get a full swing, there were branches.....etc....but it was a 1/2 swing chip shot max so i knew it couldn't be far. my mate and i spent a minute looking for it, before suddenly hearing the ball drop to the ground. It had gotten lodged in a bush/tree, and while walking through the branches looking for it, my mate knocked it free and it fell to the ground. it would 100% have been unplayable if we'd found it where it landed, but because he hit the branches he inadvertently dislodged the ball, and it fell to somewhere I could play it. I chipped it out from there, and DID NOT take a penalty for it at the time - we don't take ourselves too seriously, and i ended up winning by 6 strokes anyways......but after the game we were discussing that situation.
unplayable lie - opponent knocked it free accidentally - i played it from it's new position with no penalty. What's the actual rule on this one?
Cheers
Interesting. I am not sure exactly..
I would say replace the ball with its original lie if indeed your opponent did accidentally cause the ball to move, but you clearly don't know the exact lie of where it was. So, you would agree (with the opponent) that it was somewhere in a bush and deem it unplayable. You would take the nearest relief with a stroke (since it was unplayable).
1. Tee shot
2. Shank into woods
3. Chip into a bush in the woods
4. deem in unplayable b/c original lie was agreed to be in a bush (but opponent accidentally moved it)
and so on..I guess.
Now you can always play two balls if you do not know of a ruling. So, this would be a good scenario lol
Good God. Haven’t you invented the comb or hairbrush in England yet!
Yeah they have, but what you didn't see was his young wife combing her hands through his hair while he was waiting for the guy to ring up.
Quick question - the comments at 15:47 of "convincing your partner who doesn't have enough clubhead speed to get out, to play another shot" - doesn't that break the rule about giving advice about club selection?
www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/pages/definitions?definitionsEdition=FullEdition#advice
A player's ball is lying badly and the player is deliberating what action to take. Another player comments, "You have no shot at all. If I were you, I would decide to take unplayable ball relief." This comment is advice because it could have influenced the player in deciding how to play during a hole.
Hello there - we're talking about a foursomes partner there, and partners on the same side may always share advice. This bit at the end of Rule 10.2a in the full Rules (not shown in the Player's Edition) clarifies things...
See Rules 22, 23 and 24 (in forms of play involving partners, a player may give advice to his or her partner or the partner’s caddie and may ask the partner or partner’s caddie for advice).
@@jeremyellwood4515 thanks - so much for me still to learn, appreciate the clarification/correction...
@@GethWho PARTNERS can discuss Anything they desire.
I can provide Rules Information, and General Course Information, and ask the same of an Opponent/Competitor. I CANNOT tell them which I think "is Best to do."
how do you define 'receiving' advice? I mean, if someone says "You've got 120m to the pin. You should use an 8 iron", and I was going to use an 8 iron already anyway, I haven't asked for the advice. The person has said it. I can't control what others say, and it hasn't influenced my club selection?
Interpretation 10.2a/2: "If a player gets advice from someone other than his or her caddie (such as a spectator) without asking for it, he or she gets no penalty. However, if the player continues to get advice from that same person, the player must try to stop that person from giving advice. If the player does not do so, he or she is treated as asking for that advice "
@@lenaselberg does the person who says ' you should use an 8iron' receive a penalty for giving the advice?
@@superduperawesome6858 Yes (assuming ihey are not playing on the same side), see the definition of advice www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/pages/definitions?definitionsEdition=FullEdition#advice
I think club golfers break rules every round! Hard to police.
The OB stroke and distance is a rule that should be nullified for all non-professional events.
Don't really understand what you mean, Matt - how would you want to proceed if you knock your ball OOB?
@@jeremyellwood4515 it should just be treated as a hazard for pace of play purposes. Just drop at the point of entry and get on with it.
@@matthoward123 Ah, okay - yes, many would feel likewise, and they got close to that with the permissible Local Rule when the Rules were last revised, but not quite there yet. It may come one day, perhaps...
Do people who play with Neil Tappin have a rule about him not saying things like "That's just a tap-in" when putting? I'd have a very hard time not making puns if I had that surname
Does playing from the green include a marked winter green .Got told that last year .Alien green
Hello Bernard - temporary greens are usually part of the general area unless a club has a Local Rule in force designating them wrong greens, which it may be wise to do if they want to keep them in decent condition for when required. See Model Local Rule D-5 here...
D-5
Status of Practice Putting Green or Temporary Putting Green
Purpose. Wrong greens include practice greens for putting or pitching, but the Committee may choose to allow play from them by Local Rule (meaning that a player whose ball lies on such a green must play it from there). A temporary putting green for a hole is typically part of the general area when it is not in use, but the Committee may wish to clarify its status or declare it to be a wrong green. The Committee may also define a practice green or temporary green to be ground under repair which would allow a player to take free relief under Rule 16.1b.
Model Local Rule D-5.1
"The practice green located [insert details of where the green is located] is not a wrong green and free relief is not required or permitted under Rule 13.1f."
Model Local Rule D-5.2
"The temporary green located [insert details of where the green is located] is a wrong green even when not in use and relief must be taken under Rule 13.1f."
People a provisional ball in case it's gone in the water. You cannot potentially have 2 balls in play
The no. 1 rule that all golfers get wrong relates to an outa date ham and cheese sandwich from the bar, this must be returned to the chair of the greens committee with a covering letter from your Medic or indeed Vet stating lack of flavour and soggy bread were unacceptable to a Five day member and should only be sold to the dreaded green fee ! Yup,dreadful business
So it's the advice given that gets penalised. Good luck with enforcing that one.
Sounds like a barrel of laughs...
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Hi guy's, can I take relieve from tree roots?
No
Hello Peter - no you can't, but you may probe the area to see what the likelihood is if you fear there may be tree roots. See Interpretation 8.1a/7 here...
8.1a/7 - Player May Probe Near Ball to Determine if Tree Roots, Rocks or Obstructions Are Below Surface of Ground, but Only if This Does Not Improve Conditions
Rule 8.1a does not prohibit a player from touching the ground within an area covered by conditions affecting the stroke, so long as those conditions are not improved.
For example, without improving any of the conditions affecting the stroke, when the ball lies anywhere on the course, a player may probe the area around the ball with a tee or other object to see whether his or her club might strike a root, rock or obstruction below the surface of the ground when the stroke is made.
However, see 12.2b/2 if the player probes sand in a bunker to test the condition of the sand.
Jeremy Ellwood that was as clear as mud!
@@swisstrader In what way? No you don't get relief but are allowed to probe to see if roots might be lurking beneath the surface. You still don't get relief even if they are, but it might affect how you choose to play your next shot
Jeremy Ellwood his question was do I get relief. Answer as I stated earlier is NO. Wasn’t a question abt probing for tree roots or testing conditions in the sand.
Casual water in a bunker .If there is so much do you drop out of the bunker
Was this a question?
@@NovaScene yes. No matter where you stand in a bunker there is casual water. Is it allowed to take relief out of the hazard.
Hello Bernard - for temporary water in a bunker, you get free relief if you are able to drop in the bunker, and you are also allowed to drop at the point of maximum available relief if complete relief is not available (e.g. you could still be standing in water but able to drop out of the water, or you could drop where the water is shallower than where your ball is lying - wherever your point of maximum available relief is). If there really is nowhere to drop in the bunker, you can drop outside going back on line, but there is a one-stroke penalty
Provisional ball. Many golfers I know think they can play a provisional if they find the first ball and it's unplayable. I think this is Wrong. Provisional balls can only be played as a ball in play if the first ball is LOST or OUT OF BOUNDS. If you play a provisional and you then find your first ball, you have to play the first ball.
You are correct Iain - once the first ball is found, the provisional effectively no longer exists
The reason a Provisional Ball CANNOT be used as the Stroke and Distance Relief for an "Unplayable" IS the PB is already a "known result."
@@apaulmcdonough2170 no, the reason you can’t play the PB is because the Rules of Golf prevent it. The rule s only permit a PB in 2 specific circumstances. You can only play a provisional for a ball that is Lost or OOB. You may NOT play a PB for an unplayable ball, ever.
@@iainmackie7064 That's exactly what I said, You CAN'T Use a PB as the Stroke and Distance Relief Option for an Unplayable Ball.
What were you reading???
I gave the Reason WHY.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 well you didn’t really. You claimed it was because it was a known result. That is incorrect. The Rules state a PB can only be played if the ball may be Lost or OOB. If someone plays a PB in any other circumstance then it immediately becomes a ball in play.
When is not permissible to play a provisional ball?
After looking for your ball for 3 minutes. Also if you a certain the ball has landed in a red or yellow staked hazard, next ball played from the original stroke area(if you choose to play from there) is ball in play with the penalty shot.
@@2321brendan if your ball lands on a bank outside the penalty area but roles back towards the penalty area and whilst it may be very probable the ball has gone into the penalty area you can’t be certain because you are too far away, can you play a provisional ball in that circumstance?
@@brianbeag Yep. Then if you find the original ball in the hazard , you can play it from the hazard ,as you took your provisional legally. You were not certain the original ball was in the hazard.
while interesting i find the idea of a series of videos picking 10, 12 or whatever rules out of the PGA rulebook and discussing them to be somewhat more than I want to see, considering that there is a rulebook, it has a lot of rules and there are many options when considering those rules. The video on unplayable lies out of bunkers? Interesting. An abstract list? I'm not going to bite on that one. It's just too clickbaity.
top 10, top 12, fuck that...that shit is just played-out...probably why I'm just now seeing this 2 year old video
What about the new ruling on ready golf where if youn are ready to play and your opponent is not youn can play neven though he is still away being further from the pin?
This has to be agreed upon in EACH Situation before you proceed.
You CAN'T arbitrarily decide "He's NOT Ready, I am Going."
10 RULES GOLFERS (STILL) GET WRONG!
Look, seriously "golfers" are going to get every rule wrong.
I doubt there's a single rule that everyone who plays golf gets right 100% of the time.
Sometimes we even get them wrong intentionally BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PLAYING STRICT RULES
The last one about unplayables -- you suggest telling your playing partner to take one. That is 'advice', can't do it.
I thought the 2019 rule change allowed OB to be played as lateral penalty?
Hello Ron - no, that was only a permissible Local Rule not a Rule of Golf. Certainly in the UK very few, if any, clubs have adopted it as it can't be used in handicap qualifying competitions
Yea that’s definitely more of a local rule in the states. A lot of courses with vineyards, native grasses, or “environmentally sensitive areas” have adopted that rule. Some have it as a lateral hazard, others as a free drop, and some specify it as OB. All depends upon the course
They tried to simplify the rules, they failed miserably. Nobody knew the old rules, nobody cares about the new ones.
Apart from people who play in competitions who have to care...
Informative. But rubbish non the less!
What was rubbish?
People playing a provisional ball in case it's gone in the water. You cannot potentially have 2 balls in play
There is no provisional aloud for a ball in a hazard. Only lost or OB.
*WTF guys?!? Get your volume recording levels right... or hire a professional video editor!*