Welp there you have it folks. LG made the right compromise on the telephoto camera. I had also guessed that the V50 was the phone with the better detail information in the first scenario. Pleasantly surprised and enjoying my V60 currently. Going to shoot a couple photos before the stay at home order goes into effect.
Things that were mentioned in this video should be mentioned in all videos when talking about how the LG V60 doesn't have a telephoto lens/camera. Great job like always & thank you for the brake down.👍👏
Having used both, and as a professional photographer i definitely prefer the v50. (The real v50 one not the american v45.) Both are great phones, but the telephoto lense is very handy. But lets be serious if you want prints or have any real interest in at the very least basic amateur photography you buy a proper camera. Not a phone. You cant truly compare automatic mode vs auto mode either. They are different phones ffs. Put both on manual, set your white balance with a grey card, set your iso and f stop. Then shoot the same image from a fixed tripod each. Then compare.
No need to spend more money to replace the fine device the V40 is unless you have use for that 2nd screen. Best to hold on to that money given the uncertainty of the economy at this point in time.
@@harysviewty nice! Reason I did mine like that is that it's more "built in" feeling, not sure if it does the same thing without root though I had to use root since I had to fix some things that I couldn't do if it didn't have root
Loved the video. I traded my s22 for a v60 with the dual screen case and got cash with the trade, and even though I'm not a camera guy, the v60 isn't doing some odd things that the s22 does with the photos like unnecessarily darkening shadow areas to the point it almost felt like there was ink on the screen sometimes. S22 also doesn't take the photo as fast for a 2022 device, and oddly lags behind the v60 in performance in general. And why for the love of cinnamon rolls is there a lack of sd card support on modern smartphones?
So coming back to this video after taking a WHOLE bunch of pictures on my v60 and note 10 for a video I'm doing I've basically come back with this info: 1: the note does quite a bit over oversharpening to compensate for lack of detail(which is funny because people used to slag LG for the same thing lol) 2: the note while it does oversharpen, in lower light situations it'll just show colors wrong(ie a shot I took between the two was a water tower and the text on it came up black on the note, but blue on the v60 which is the actual color of the text.) And while it is less grainy than the v60(which isn't much) it still will lack some minor detail. 3: When I try to use the telephoto for macro shots(and even the main sensor) the background blur is just inconsistent, sometimes it'll trigger, but I'll have to tap like 3 or 4 times to have it happen, and ok the v60 sometimes that'll happen, but at least it allows you to still manual focus in auto photo mode. Lol 4: While the v60 does have more punchy colors even compared to my g8 the note 10 still takes the cake as the Michael Bay camera lol which isn't really my taste and it still over exposes. While the v60 does it at times it seems to do it without compromising the main subject. PS doing camera comparisons are fun lol
The V60 is a very compelling proposition. The dual display can come in handy, the magnetic charging connect can save on connector wear (although Qi charging support is fine, too), huge battery is great to have, quad DAC (of course), precision stylus support, plenty of processing power and RAM, very good camera, expandable flash storage (naturally), and 5G connectivity rounds it all out. Also, I like big phones, and I cannot lie...
I was a little unsure seeing the zoom gone but after the mic photo I am on your side and fine with it gone for the cheaper price Now I just need to figure out how it's supposed to fit in my pocket once I add a case...
Just came from the other video. My suspicion was correct that it depends on the scene. In good lighting conditions where the telephoto lens is being used it does bring out more detail but if a company dedicates enough time and resources to the main sensor rather than trying to make a second camera that will not get used if light isn't perfect (which irl it usually isn't perfrect) they can achieve comperable or even better results. With more space for example you can make a larger sensor. This is why the Nokia lumia 1020 did so well many years ago. I guess the Galaxy s4 zoom as well (but the latter had optical zoom I think)
I'm not upset at the loss of the telefoto at all. I am however upset at the loss of the rear fingerprint sensor and 1440p display. In my testing I feel the V50 9/10 performs better in optimal lighting. I don't feel like phones are ready for these bigger glass sensors in general. Im an LG fan, just like you. I just feel like LG would have largely benefitted from improving their software this year over upgrading their lens system. I dont know if LG is going to adopt new fans at this point... they do what they do well...unfortunately Android fans usually lean towards the complete opposite.
lg needs a dedicated telephoto zoom lens asap .......now to compete with samsung s20 ultra and huawei with 5x and upcoming 10x zoom you need a good telephoto lens that is the major selling point for s20 ultra apart from 5g and 120 hertz screen refresh rate.....next iteration of the v series should include a dedicated telephoto lens as well....
Hi, I am planning an upgrade from a V30+, I'm struggling between V50S and V60. Please help me decide by providing your input of which is better! the V50S 256gb of storage definitely has my attention.
Check the photo comparison with the Pixel 3 and 4. Zoom lens make a considerable difference. Usually I am disappointed when manufacturers eliminate features that where on the previous model. But with the SD 865 prices, I think it is understandable. OnePlus pulled this zoom camera trick before with the op7, at least LG doesn't try to fool us with a useless depth sensor.
I just wanna say thx so much for all the content you put out. It's really cool that you do so many different formats, from videos to podcasts to articles, etc. You're helping me learn a lot. You're the first Patreon content creator that I've become a patron of. I also snagged your smartphone photography book on Kindle. I geek out on technology, so it means a great deal to me to find someone knowledgeable & unbiased to teach me things in fun, interesting ways. 😎
I found with Huawei phones that in indoor light they use the tele lens. But there's a catch. When it gets to street light at night when you get to 3x, 5x up to about 10 it uses the main sensor but when the crop gets bigger (15x, 20x, 30x and etc.) it uses the telephoto because it has less grain and a less deep crop factor. And if you want the tele lens to work all the time just download Manual Camera Lite and at the top with the camera flip icon you can switch between the 3 or 4 back lenses and the front one and once you select with trial and error the telephoto lens you can shoot with it. Only downside with the app is you can't switch lenses with buttons and it's a hastle to cycle with the lenses
I'm intrigued when you said that telephoto camera switch to main camera. I tried to cover my finger on the telephoto camera of my dad's Samsung Galaxy Note10 Lite, but it didn't went dark. Instead, it was the main camera that went dark by the finger.
This blew my mind When shooting telephoto in medium to low light it automatically switches to main sensor and crops without telling you, which is why I couldn't understand why the telephoto looks so amazing in sunlight but anything less it looks like shit. I'm sure Samsung and Apple do the same thing. Just got a v60 recently and curious what it can go. I don't notice much difference in my v40 vs g8x, but this one gets a bigger sensor, much faster processor and generational leaps in AI and depth detection
Yeah. You'd think other reviewers would talk about this kinda stuff occasionally. It's a shame that people won't know that a phone like the Pixel 6 Pro is doing something really special when it DOESN'T switch to the main sensor in darker conditions, and the photos look MUCH better using the telephoto indoors...
I honestly hate when phone camera does that. Like give me the option to choose to crop or force the telephoto. But this has to be said, I think my sucky Nokia would actually switch to the telephoto in your gadget lab, lol.
Just use manual mode. If you dont know how to use it, dont complain when the computer takes over. Its programmed to deliver a pre programmed set of results.
People simply think that their device needs to have all these added features because it is popular. Honestly I've never even really cared to have a crazy zoom on my phone. The wide angle is great and the main sensor is also really great. To me that's all that matters.
They are very close as you say, so in terms of cameras there's really no point in "upgrading" from a V50. Personally i would take the almost the same camera performance along with the qhd display of the V50 over the V60 given the choice. Especially since the V50 will be going down in price now. I take your point that adding an additional camera with a 2× zoom would have been kind of pointless on the V60. But they did go and add in my opinion an unnecessary camera anyway, that being the Time of Flight. The pixel takes about as good portrait shots without it as you can get and even with the TOF the V60 has some edge detection issues. I would have loved to have seen a macro lens but guess im probably in the minority...
O Bro u understand him wrong ,he was speaking about the telephoto Sensor ,that's no need to add a telephoto Sensor to V60 because that make no Difference , but The V60 Main Camera photos and Wide Angel and Selfie photo and Videos quality and Processing and Features and Audio Quality is a very huge Upgrade than V50 , i have the V50 since 6 months and i wish now to have that new Beast V60
True true, but all the other exposure compromises, and the fact you often aren't REALLY using that 50mm, I just prefer the look of the main wider sensor.
Just curious. I hear a lot of people say the main sensor on all camera should be technically called a wide lens, and the wider lens ultra wide. What mm size would a non-wide lens be exactly?
I’m liking the V60 more and more! I was skeptical, but now I’m not. I still kinda wish the wide sensor was a 16mp rather than the 13, but that’s just me.
I had no idea that phone cameras would flippity flop between lenses depending on lighting conditions without making it clear. I mean, saying it out loud it's obvious because, well, most folk (myself included), shoot in automatic mode. Huh. This was enlightening. Please give my condolences to Matt.
Waiting for the LG V60 vs Oneplus 8 pro comparison. The budget flagship battle royale. Juan keep enticing me to grab a V60, but I'm trying to hang it in there until Op launch in April.
@@williamaungleyraud LG V60 has sd card support so i don't think you need that much storage. Sd card still way slower than ufs 3.0 but they're way cheaper than buying higher storage capacity (if you buy them on sale). For internal storage if you do a lot of gaming, like 20 heavy games probably. I still don't think you can fill all 128gb up. Music and video recordings are all store on the sd card so i don't think you need internal storage for that. Also SD card is way more convenient for data transfering since you can just plug it to the phone. Like all your music and videos are in the sd card. If your phone broke you lose all your data.
Ah Bro LG V60 is the best and Beast phone in 2020 especially in Camera photos and Videos Quality amd features in Rear and Selfie ,no phones can Compete with V60
PewDiePie was my favorite RUclipsr until he finished he finished Tell Tales: The Walking Dead gameplay 🤣 Now it's you, Eric from ECS, Mathew. Your content is always an eye opener.
But if i choose the telephoto camera from my V50 and then zoom in into 10x, my camera still shows me that the telephoto sensor is selected... How do you know that the telephoto sensor is not used by the V50, but the normal camera?
I've always wondered why my telephoto shots look different at noon compared to any other time of day. Thanks for clearing that up. One other thing, that I've heard people mention that is wrong is when they say oh my phone has more megapixels than your camera. I currentlu have an old Nikon D5100, I'm saving up for a Pentax k-1 II or the 645z. Back on topic, what they fail to realize is that the sensor on their phone is tiny compared to mine. Which allows a lot more light to hit the sensor and less noise.
A 2x telephoto was kind of a pointless concept in the first place. 3x has tangible benefits. I think many would prefer a telephoto in place of the depth sensor. For me a 3x telephoto would make this phone a no brainier, even at $950 or $1000. But I get why LG did it. Critics would have eaten them alive if they didn't undercut Samsung. Comparisons to Samsung's S line has been unfair at best.
PPL just want the hardware specs. They don't seem to notice if they actually use them.... You've just convinced me to hold on to my G8 .... Least I can play with that hand wizardry longer ... ✋
I'm with you Juan. That said, you didn't tell Matt that it's a champagne gold mic. It looks like the noise reduction (smearing) was heavy on the B shot as well, on top of the crop/upscale (loss of resolution) issue. I can live with some noise but better detail. Nice job to illustrate a subtle, but important, point that would've been easily lost on spec seekers.
Juan, how does the telephoto lens compare to digital though, for real world use (zooming in on a live event, moving kids or lowlight) vs still photography? I think to cover my bases, I'd prefer telephoto. What do you think?
I used lg for years my last one was the G6 before that was the flex 2 went over to the mate 20 pro I bought then the p30 pro but it's hard to pay 1400 for any phone today and with Google out of the picture with Huawei I'm loving the v60 and I'm switching back to lg and I'm getting the G8 for my wife she has my G6 currently today but I'm glad for honest advice from another LG fan cause I wouldn't know I'm losing out on the telephoto lens if I didn't watch you Juan or painfully honest or J.williams on LG content so thank you for making this purchase feel really like I bought the the phone of the year
It's a shame that good competition is getting the shaft because of popularity "algorithms". I guarantee you this video about Samsung will make more ad money than my LG videos.
It's so odd, I got the indoor shot wrong, I thought that phone A was the V50 with it's telephoto just because that image looked so much clearer, yeah it was grainy but the detail in the microphone was vastly better. The outdoor shot it is clearer when you look at them side by side, but I totally agree scrolling through Instagram or Facebook I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I'm feeling good about my V60 order, it supposed to arrive by Wednesday and I'm looking forward to it.
A was better in all of them except 2x on the slinky where B was clearer. In the first outdoor pic, phone A captured the shadows much better. Look under the pop out window, and some of the bushes in the background.
Nope. Folks just buy into the marketing hype of their favorite brands. The S20 "zoom" is basically the same as the V60 main camera. Only lens difference is 1-2mm. Otherwise it's exactly the same crop zoom.
My only thing that has me crippled between picking the v60 or the s20U is the telescopic vs 64mb crop and dex vs LG desktop. If the Samsung came with a dual screen, I'd be there.
I just got through watching this video, and I'm telling you Juan you have taught me so much about smartphone. Which I do value very much when it comes to Tech knowledge. photography, thank you. I am bringing in the LG V60 and looking forward to taking lots of pictures & shooting lots of video, and utilizing the big screen for watching movies and videos. Here's my question to you... I'm not a gamer but I watch a lot of videos and movies, would that be with that being said, is it worth picking up the second screen for $100 in your opinion. Thank you my friend ✌️
It's a little trickier to recommend outright. I LOVE it because I have a built in option to prop up a screen at the EXACT angle I want anywhere I want. It's my absolute favorite way to watch a movie while I cook in the kitchen. That said, $100 is a lot to spend on convenience when most people would be fine with a $9 phone stand. If you don't think you'll use the other features of the dual dislpay...
@@SomeGadgetGuy one more question and I'll leave you alone 😬 Do you utilize a second screen for multi-tasking purposes while taking pictures and shooting video? Ok I'm done have a great day my friend ✌️
LOL I don't use it a ton for the camera options, but I like it as a handle to hold the phone LOL. The rest of the multi-tasking stuff is super handy. Video on one screen and productivity app on another. There are a lot of uses you can FIND for it.
@@SomeGadgetGuy thanks again Jaun, appreciate your time. After work today, I stopped by T-Mobile and picked up the whole package👍I will review it on my channel, and at the same time just enjoy the experience 👊✌️
Nice analysis. Didn't comment on what I preferred on that previous video because I did think it was pretty much a wash. On a side note, without a reference, I would have thought the colours where off on the v60 over the v50 too
"most devices switch to main sensor for 2x zoom". I tested this for the Galaxy S9+ , Xiaomi mi8 and Galaxy s10, they all use main sensor for 2x zoom . I covered the telephoto lens to confirm that it's really using the main sensor.
TBH I do not use telephoto at all. The quality is bad on every phone I ever saw (small sensor, low light sensitivity) and I do not take fake portrait photos ... I really hope LG can tweak V60 mics when recording on auto, because right now it's V60 or Xperia 1 II for me this year.
It makes a huge Difference , and the Upgrade in the Camera photos and Videos Quality and feature in Both Rear Camera and Selfie and also in Audio ,a Huge Upgrade in V60
Juan the V60 is $900 which ain't cheap at all. Comparing the main sensor to the inferior telephoto one will get very close results every time but the new model must improve on what's already available, not take out hardware components to safe money.
The V60 is full retail $799, and is already being found for BOGO deals here in the USA. Camera to camera, there are excellent improvements to core photography, and the zoom is improved in low light over the V50. There's no controversy here.
@@SomeGadgetGuy the controversy is that LG is taking out features while everybody else is adding. Don't get me wrong - I used to love LG and I'm happy you're clarifying those camera differences but honestly what does the V60 really bring to the table for the asking price?
But adding what? Let's compare this to the S20. For $200 more, the 64MP sensor is only 1.06X optical zoom over the 12MP sensor (26mm equivalent lens to 28mm). That means, all of the "zooming" is done by cropping. Just like the V60. So Samsung is including two sensors which essentially deliver a similar overall experience as the main shooter on the V60. I'm all for adding better features, but that's some marketing BS right there. YOU should be asking, why does Samsung get to charge 25% more? For a more fluid screen? No headphone jack? The same camera performance (with unnecessary hardware) and poorer controls? No option for expanded or dual screen use? No stylus support? A smaller battery? Why make LG justify their pricing and give Samsung a pass?
@@SomeGadgetGuy it is, but LG has no customer base or brand recognition as Samsung so they can't charge that much. I see no point in getting the S20 either as the S10 is half that and 95% as good, but the question is whether the V60 is worth spending 400 bucks on top of a dual screen G8 where the only main advantage is the better battery life?
The telephoto camera is nice to have for portrait shots as it naturally crops in to that portrait zoom length but I guess the software can just simply crop in, that said though I do worry about barrel distortion on wider lenses like the regular lenses at 77° vs ~40° on the zoom which solo make you more proportionate I think
So basically, what the V60 has done is digital zooming. But I do have a question about the telephoto camera module. If that module relies on the main sensor, then what's the point of having the secondary telephoto camera in the first place? Aren't there any phones out there with tele cam that didn't rely on the main sensor, just the tele doing its own job alone?
I still think that 2x telephoto cams are pointless. If the main sensor is more than good it will bring good 2x digital zoom to the table regardless. LG just proves this idea is right. AFAIK telephoto cams should start at 3x, that's where the difference (both vanilla telephoto and hybrid zooms) in should be sizeable enough to measure without going into "investigation mode". At least LG didn't add whole "depth focus thingy" camera that does nothing besides raise the camera sensor count by one. Nokia, Xiaomi, Oppo/Vivo, Huawei and non-flagship Samsung phones like to add those homeopathic 2-5 MP cameras.
I somehow agree with you. For me, a telephoto camera with 3x optical zoom is definitely the right sweet spot. You can have a single telephoto camera with 5x optical zoom like the P40 Pro or the Find X2 Pro, but images between 1.1x and 4.9x wouldn't really look that good. That is why I applaud what vivo had done with the X30 Pro - two properly functional telephoto camera. A 32MP Quad Bayer camera with 50mm 2x optical zoom and a 13MP periscope camera with 135mm 5x optical zoom. Xiaomi Mi Note 10's 5x optical zoom is rather pointless if you ask me.
Those little gimped 2X sensors are usually pretty terrible. You have to climb up to MUCH more expensive options, like what Samsung and Huawei are doing, before you really see some practical improvement over crop zoom on the main sensor. Balancing out price to performance though, those larger telephoto sensors are only phones that START at around $200 more than the V60.
Said this time and again: Love your content! Edit: During the COVID 19 pandemic, YT limited the quality to 480p in India. Just the video step down to 480p🙃🧐?!
Can you do low light video compareison?? What in the range on ISO? the shutter speed in video? V40 only shoots video down to 24fps, anything slower is time lapse Manual audio level like the V40??
I get to upgrade my phone package tomorrow, my options are LG G8X, Note 10 Plus or a S20 note sure what to take. The Note and the S20 is the same price...
Can you please do a v60 vs a g8x review. In my country the v50 isn't available, the G8X is available, still waiting on the v60. Not sure if I should wait for the v60
Person: You know your telephoto lens is kinda garbage, right? Me: Yes Person: Then why do you keep using it? Me: **Because it makes me feel better.** - V40 owner -I actually like the telephoto lens when I need it, lol-
Wow. Amazing video. I learned alot here! I have the v40. And I don't like that it tells me when I can use the zoom lens and not. I know in low light that I will get more noise for example. So yeah. I enjoy the direction lg went for in the v60. I wonder though. Could the zoomed pictures become even better if the main sensor would have variable aperture? Like being able to switch for 2.4 in daylight shots for better depth of field?
Yes, you sent the link, but I didn't get the notification. Also any review of a Xiaomi? And also, I have only seen desktop mode (DeX for Samsung), but in the developer options there is also a setting called Force Desktop Mode on Secondary Screen, and I usually plug my phone via a hub into my monitor, so why don't I see changes?
El lente de zoom en el V50 si estas en lugares oscuros o con poca luz usará el lente principal por medio del software. Si estas con buena luz si utilizaras el zoom dedicado.
Hola me puedes decir que tal toma las fotos el v50? En el día supongo que se comporta bien, quiero comprarlo, pero he visto que en la noche no es muy bueno, sabes si usando el modo manual de puede salvar más detalle en la noche? Aparte, lo has usado con la g cam? Que tal se comparta con la gcam en la noche? Saludos y gracias de antemano.
As much as I love the desktop mode on my g8 (it's really, truly useful), it's not as full featured as, say, dex. Is there something third party software wise that you use to augment that or do you just use it stock
I've just been sticking with stock. LG's solution is a step above regular android, but it could use more work. I hope launcher developers will start offering some solutions too. I would LOVE to see a version of Nova or Microsoft launcher for desktop mode.
'It got the color wrong matt'. - that made me laugh so much poor Matt 😂
Matt is such a good dude. Couldn't help making a LITTLE fun of my buddy there.
Welp there you have it folks. LG made the right compromise on the telephoto camera. I had also guessed that the V50 was the phone with the better detail information in the first scenario. Pleasantly surprised and enjoying my V60 currently. Going to shoot a couple photos before the stay at home order goes into effect.
Keep your distance from other folks, but get some fresh air while you can. Stay safe out there.
@@SomeGadgetGuy oh no doubt. There's no one with in 20ft of me since everything is almost a ghost town anyway. You stay safe too.
Thanks man. Gotta keep looking out for each other. 🙂👍
Things that were mentioned in this video should be mentioned in all videos when talking about how the LG V60 doesn't have a telephoto lens/camera. Great job like always & thank you for the brake down.👍👏
Having used both, and as a professional photographer i definitely prefer the v50. (The real v50 one not the american v45.)
Both are great phones, but the telephoto lense is very handy.
But lets be serious if you want prints or have any real interest in at the very least basic amateur photography you buy a proper camera. Not a phone.
You cant truly compare automatic mode vs auto mode either. They are different phones ffs.
Put both on manual, set your white balance with a grey card, set your iso and f stop. Then shoot the same image from a fixed tripod each. Then compare.
V40 : Feeling Old with 69 others 💔🥺
Identical cams like v50
No need to spend more money to replace the fine device the V40 is unless you have use for that 2nd screen. Best to hold on to that money given the uncertainty of the economy at this point in time.
Meanwhile I got mine rooted so I could manually install the V50's camera app
It's fuuuun
-but getting it rooted in the first place isn't fun :^)-
@@Raul1528 my v40 is unrooted and i installed pie version of v50 cam
@@harysviewty nice!
Reason I did mine like that is that it's more "built in" feeling, not sure if it does the same thing without root though
I had to use root since I had to fix some things that I couldn't do if it didn't have root
Lol. I thought the same as Matt, thinking it was a silver mic! 😂
That context is importantant LOL 😁
Loved the video. I traded my s22 for a v60 with the dual screen case and got cash with the trade, and even though I'm not a camera guy, the v60 isn't doing some odd things that the s22 does with the photos like unnecessarily darkening shadow areas to the point it almost felt like there was ink on the screen sometimes. S22 also doesn't take the photo as fast for a 2022 device, and oddly lags behind the v60 in performance in general. And why for the love of cinnamon rolls is there a lack of sd card support on modern smartphones?
So coming back to this video after taking a WHOLE bunch of pictures on my v60 and note 10 for a video I'm doing I've basically come back with this info:
1: the note does quite a bit over oversharpening to compensate for lack of detail(which is funny because people used to slag LG for the same thing lol)
2: the note while it does oversharpen, in lower light situations it'll just show colors wrong(ie a shot I took between the two was a water tower and the text on it came up black on the note, but blue on the v60 which is the actual color of the text.) And while it is less grainy than the v60(which isn't much) it still will lack some minor detail.
3: When I try to use the telephoto for macro shots(and even the main sensor) the background blur is just inconsistent, sometimes it'll trigger, but I'll have to tap like 3 or 4 times to have it happen, and ok the v60 sometimes that'll happen, but at least it allows you to still manual focus in auto photo mode. Lol
4: While the v60 does have more punchy colors even compared to my g8 the note 10 still takes the cake as the Michael Bay camera lol which isn't really my taste and it still over exposes. While the v60 does it at times it seems to do it without compromising the main subject.
PS doing camera comparisons are fun lol
The V60 is a very compelling proposition. The dual display can come in handy, the magnetic charging connect can save on connector wear (although Qi charging support is fine, too), huge battery is great to have, quad DAC (of course), precision stylus support, plenty of processing power and RAM, very good camera, expandable flash storage (naturally), and 5G connectivity rounds it all out. Also, I like big phones, and I cannot lie...
I highly enjoy your videos, man! LG V40 owner of EXACTLY 1 year!
Thank you for another in depth video! I got the v50 last week and I'm loving it. I really appreciate your deep dive looks into some awesome products!
I was a little unsure seeing the zoom gone but after the mic photo I am on your side and fine with it gone for the cheaper price
Now I just need to figure out how it's supposed to fit in my pocket once I add a case...
Very carefully...
Just came from the other video. My suspicion was correct that it depends on the scene. In good lighting conditions where the telephoto lens is being used it does bring out more detail but if a company dedicates enough time and resources to the main sensor rather than trying to make a second camera that will not get used if light isn't perfect (which irl it usually isn't perfrect) they can achieve comperable or even better results. With more space for example you can make a larger sensor. This is why the Nokia lumia 1020 did so well many years ago. I guess the Galaxy s4 zoom as well (but the latter had optical zoom I think)
Juan, as always, clever and informative. Thanks shout out to Mat! gotta love a rebel!
It was gold? I couldn't tell. I'm with you Matt.
I'm not upset at the loss of the telefoto at all. I am however upset at the loss of the rear fingerprint sensor and 1440p display. In my testing I feel the V50 9/10 performs better in optimal lighting. I don't feel like phones are ready for these bigger glass sensors in general. Im an LG fan, just like you. I just feel like LG would have largely benefitted from improving their software this year over upgrading their lens system. I dont know if LG is going to adopt new fans at this point... they do what they do well...unfortunately Android fans usually lean towards the complete opposite.
lg needs a dedicated telephoto zoom lens asap .......now to compete with samsung s20 ultra and huawei with 5x and upcoming 10x zoom you need a good telephoto lens that is the major selling point for s20 ultra apart from 5g and 120 hertz screen refresh rate.....next iteration of the v series should include a dedicated telephoto lens as well....
Of course they need. But we have to wait some time I believe till we get one.
Hi, I am planning an upgrade from a V30+, I'm struggling between V50S and V60. Please help me decide by providing your input of which is better! the V50S 256gb of storage definitely has my attention.
This goes to one of my most shocking videos ever watched!!!
Shock 1: the camera results
Shock 2: Juan's laughter
Check the photo comparison with the Pixel 3 and 4. Zoom lens make a considerable difference.
Usually I am disappointed when manufacturers eliminate features that where on the previous model.
But with the SD 865 prices, I think it is understandable. OnePlus pulled this zoom camera trick before with the op7, at least LG doesn't try to fool us with a useless depth sensor.
Great video. I agree on yours analysis; great performance with one camera less.
BTW do you speak Spanish? Saludos desde Puerto Rico.
I have a whiny New Mexican "Spanglish" accent, so I try NEVER to abuse anyone's ear with my terrible dialect. 😉 hola de nuevo méxico
Gabrielle Chaparro Boricua!!!
I just wanna say thx so much for all the content you put out. It's really cool that you do so many different formats, from videos to podcasts to articles, etc. You're helping me learn a lot. You're the first Patreon content creator that I've become a patron of. I also snagged your smartphone photography book on Kindle. I geek out on technology, so it means a great deal to me to find someone knowledgeable & unbiased to teach me things in fun, interesting ways. 😎
Glad youre enjoying the content! 😊👍
I found with Huawei phones that in indoor light they use the tele lens. But there's a catch. When it gets to street light at night when you get to 3x, 5x up to about 10 it uses the main sensor but when the crop gets bigger (15x, 20x, 30x and etc.) it uses the telephoto because it has less grain and a less deep crop factor. And if you want the tele lens to work all the time just download Manual Camera Lite and at the top with the camera flip icon you can switch between the 3 or 4 back lenses and the front one and once you select with trial and error the telephoto lens you can shoot with it. Only downside with the app is you can't switch lenses with buttons and it's a hastle to cycle with the lenses
I was right selecting A for the mic but can't remember if i pick for the tree shot
You did right!
I'm intrigued when you said that telephoto camera switch to main camera. I tried to cover my finger on the telephoto camera of my dad's Samsung Galaxy Note10 Lite, but it didn't went dark. Instead, it was the main camera that went dark by the finger.
This blew my mind
When shooting telephoto in medium to low light it automatically switches to main sensor and crops without telling you, which is why I couldn't understand why the telephoto looks so amazing in sunlight but anything less it looks like shit.
I'm sure Samsung and Apple do the same thing.
Just got a v60 recently and curious what it can go. I don't notice much difference in my v40 vs g8x, but this one gets a bigger sensor, much faster processor and generational leaps in AI and depth detection
Yeah. You'd think other reviewers would talk about this kinda stuff occasionally. It's a shame that people won't know that a phone like the Pixel 6 Pro is doing something really special when it DOESN'T switch to the main sensor in darker conditions, and the photos look MUCH better using the telephoto indoors...
I honestly hate when phone camera does that. Like give me the option to choose to crop or force the telephoto. But this has to be said, I think my sucky Nokia would actually switch to the telephoto in your gadget lab, lol.
Install gcam and you can always force the telephoto camera to be used, but the quality is trash in bad lighting, also the dinamic range is not great.
@@catalin9174 g cam gives a very artificial sharpening, especially at night photos look strange
@@RUclipsChillZone i know, default it is so, still in advanced settings you can set how the post processing works, even for highlights and shadows.
Just use manual mode. If you dont know how to use it, dont complain when the computer takes over. Its programmed to deliver a pre programmed set of results.
What is your opinion on Oppo Find X2 series?
People simply think that their device needs to have all these added features because it is popular. Honestly I've never even really cared to have a crazy zoom on my phone. The wide angle is great and the main sensor is also really great. To me that's all that matters.
They are very close as you say, so in terms of cameras there's really no point in "upgrading" from a V50. Personally i would take the almost the same camera performance along with the qhd display of the V50 over the V60 given the choice. Especially since the V50 will be going down in price now.
I take your point that adding an additional camera with a 2× zoom would have been kind of pointless on the V60. But they did go and add in my opinion an unnecessary camera anyway, that being the Time of Flight. The pixel takes about as good portrait shots without it as you can get and even with the TOF the V60 has some edge detection issues. I would have loved to have seen a macro lens but guess im probably in the minority...
O Bro u understand him wrong ,he was speaking about the telephoto Sensor ,that's no need to add a telephoto Sensor to V60 because that make no Difference , but The V60 Main Camera photos and Wide Angel and Selfie photo and Videos quality and Processing and Features and Audio Quality is a very huge Upgrade than V50 , i have the V50 since 6 months and i wish now to have that new Beast V60
Jep, the x2 is pretty useless apart from properly having depth with a person (50 ish mm looks better on a person then a wide lens, and that is it...)
True true, but all the other exposure compromises, and the fact you often aren't REALLY using that 50mm, I just prefer the look of the main wider sensor.
@@SomeGadgetGuy agreeing with that;)
Just curious. I hear a lot of people say the main sensor on all camera should be technically called a wide lens, and the wider lens ultra wide. What mm size would a non-wide lens be exactly?
I’m liking the V60 more and more! I was skeptical, but now I’m not. I still kinda wish the wide sensor was a 16mp rather than the 13, but that’s just me.
I'm ok with the resolution, i wish it were wider like the V20 again.
I had no idea that phone cameras would flippity flop between lenses depending on lighting conditions without making it clear.
I mean, saying it out loud it's obvious because, well, most folk (myself included), shoot in automatic mode.
Huh. This was enlightening. Please give my condolences to Matt.
LOL aww... Matt's a good dude... 😊
Waiting for the LG V60 vs Oneplus 8 pro comparison. The budget flagship battle royale. Juan keep enticing me to grab a V60, but I'm trying to hang it in there until Op launch in April.
Had LG given us a 256gb option I'd have bought it already. 😑 Storage bottleneck.
@@williamaungleyraud Expendable storage dude you can add MicroSD up to 2 TB
@@williamaungleyraud LG V60 has sd card support so i don't think you need that much storage.
Sd card still way slower than ufs 3.0 but they're way cheaper than buying higher storage capacity (if you buy them on sale).
For internal storage if you do a lot of gaming, like 20 heavy games probably. I still don't think you can fill all 128gb up.
Music and video recordings are all store on the sd card so i don't think you need internal storage for that.
Also SD card is way more convenient for data transfering since you can just plug it to the phone.
Like all your music and videos are in the sd card.
If your phone broke you lose all your data.
Ah Bro LG V60 is the best and Beast phone in 2020 especially in Camera photos and Videos Quality amd features in Rear and Selfie ,no phones can Compete with V60
PewDiePie was my favorite RUclipsr until he finished he finished Tell Tales: The Walking Dead gameplay 🤣
Now it's you, Eric from ECS, Mathew. Your content is always an eye opener.
That's high praise 😄
How about zoom video? LG V50 when it's using telephoto vs LG V60 using digital zoom.
Great video Gadget guy!!!
But if i choose the telephoto camera from my V50 and then zoom in into 10x, my camera still shows me that the telephoto sensor is selected... How do you know that the telephoto sensor is not used by the V50, but the normal camera?
Hi new V50 user here could you tell me where is the telephoto selection in the V50??
I've always wondered why my telephoto shots look different at noon compared to any other time of day. Thanks for clearing that up. One other thing, that I've heard people mention that is wrong is when they say oh my phone has more megapixels than your camera. I currentlu have an old Nikon D5100, I'm saving up for a Pentax k-1 II or the 645z. Back on topic, what they fail to realize is that the sensor on their phone is tiny compared to mine. Which allows a lot more light to hit the sensor and less noise.
Exactly! The physics of that sensor size matters.
A 2x telephoto was kind of a pointless concept in the first place. 3x has tangible benefits. I think many would prefer a telephoto in place of the depth sensor. For me a 3x telephoto would make this phone a no brainier, even at $950 or $1000. But I get why LG did it. Critics would have eaten them alive if they didn't undercut Samsung. Comparisons to Samsung's S line has been unfair at best.
PPL just want the hardware specs. They don't seem to notice if they actually use them.... You've just convinced me to hold on to my G8 .... Least I can play with that hand wizardry longer ... ✋
Yup. People wigging out about a spec sheet with NO practical consideration for what the individual parts do.
Great video, as usual. Keep doing what you're doing: excellent non-biased reviews/news. Greetings.
I'm with you Juan. That said, you didn't tell Matt that it's a champagne gold mic. It looks like the noise reduction (smearing) was heavy on the B shot as well, on top of the crop/upscale (loss of resolution) issue. I can live with some noise but better detail. Nice job to illustrate a subtle, but important, point that would've been easily lost on spec seekers.
Great video Juan !
Juan, how does the telephoto lens compare to digital though, for real world use (zooming in on a live event, moving kids or lowlight) vs still photography? I think to cover my bases, I'd prefer telephoto. What do you think?
Those examples are real world. It all depends on light. Photography is light.
I used lg for years my last one was the G6 before that was the flex 2 went over to the mate 20 pro I bought then the p30 pro but it's hard to pay 1400 for any phone today and with Google out of the picture with Huawei I'm loving the v60 and I'm switching back to lg and I'm getting the G8 for my wife she has my G6 currently today but I'm glad for honest advice from another LG fan cause I wouldn't know I'm losing out on the telephoto lens if I didn't watch you Juan or painfully honest or J.williams on LG content so thank you for making this purchase feel really like I bought the the phone of the year
It's a shame that good competition is getting the shaft because of popularity "algorithms". I guarantee you this video about Samsung will make more ad money than my LG videos.
Right, I am going for the v50
Thank you for sharing 🙏
Nice review Mr. Bagnell
No one needs a telephoto camera in their phone until they're told to want a telephoto camera in their phone.
Pretty much.
My v30 has no telephoto and my camera woeks great.
So the phone is bogo at tmobile. Do you think it's a good time to buy or still wait?
It's so odd, I got the indoor shot wrong, I thought that phone A was the V50 with it's telephoto just because that image looked so much clearer, yeah it was grainy but the detail in the microphone was vastly better. The outdoor shot it is clearer when you look at them side by side, but I totally agree scrolling through Instagram or Facebook I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I'm feeling good about my V60 order, it supposed to arrive by Wednesday and I'm looking forward to it.
Nice, older used models might go down in price too. Which V series is the best bang for the buck today?
A was better in all of them except 2x on the slinky where B was clearer. In the first outdoor pic, phone A captured the shadows much better. Look under the pop out window, and some of the bushes in the background.
How do portrait images look without the dedicated telephoto?
Do people actually use telephoto sensors in phones? Wouldn't you be better off with one great sensor and zooming in with your feet.
Nope. Folks just buy into the marketing hype of their favorite brands. The S20 "zoom" is basically the same as the V60 main camera. Only lens difference is 1-2mm. Otherwise it's exactly the same crop zoom.
@@SomeGadgetGuy I'll never get the hype for high MP count either. The sensor is still tiny, and phones pixel bin anyway.
My only thing that has me crippled between picking the v60 or the s20U is the telescopic vs 64mb crop and dex vs LG desktop. If the Samsung came with a dual screen, I'd be there.
I just got through watching this video, and I'm telling you Juan you have taught me so much about smartphone. Which I do value very much when it comes to Tech knowledge. photography, thank you.
I am bringing in the LG V60 and looking forward to taking lots of pictures & shooting lots of video, and utilizing the big screen for watching movies and videos.
Here's my question to you...
I'm not a gamer but I watch a lot of videos and movies, would that be with that being said, is it worth picking up the second screen for $100 in your opinion.
Thank you my friend ✌️
It's a little trickier to recommend outright. I LOVE it because I have a built in option to prop up a screen at the EXACT angle I want anywhere I want. It's my absolute favorite way to watch a movie while I cook in the kitchen. That said, $100 is a lot to spend on convenience when most people would be fine with a $9 phone stand. If you don't think you'll use the other features of the dual dislpay...
@@SomeGadgetGuy well said, thank you very much for taking the time ✌️🙏
@@SomeGadgetGuy one more question and I'll leave you alone 😬
Do you utilize a second screen for multi-tasking purposes while taking pictures and shooting video?
Ok I'm done have a great day my friend ✌️
LOL I don't use it a ton for the camera options, but I like it as a handle to hold the phone LOL. The rest of the multi-tasking stuff is super handy. Video on one screen and productivity app on another. There are a lot of uses you can FIND for it.
@@SomeGadgetGuy thanks again Jaun, appreciate your time.
After work today, I stopped by T-Mobile and picked up the whole package👍I will review it on my channel, and at the same time just enjoy the experience 👊✌️
Nice analysis. Didn't comment on what I preferred on that previous video because I did think it was pretty much a wash.
On a side note, without a reference, I would have thought the colours where off on the v60 over the v50 too
LOL I know, couldn't help a little fun at Matt's expense...
@@SomeGadgetGuy Oh, no issues there. Ripe for the tease. 😆
Can you post a comparison low light video between the V40 and the V60??
"most devices switch to main sensor for 2x zoom".
I tested this for the Galaxy S9+ , Xiaomi mi8 and Galaxy s10, they all use main sensor for 2x zoom .
I covered the telephoto lens to confirm that it's really using the main sensor.
Yup. A LOT of phones did this.
Great stuff.
TBH I do not use telephoto at all.
The quality is bad on every phone I ever saw (small sensor, low light sensitivity) and I do not take fake portrait photos ...
I really hope LG can tweak V60 mics when recording on auto, because right now it's V60 or Xperia 1 II for me this year.
Could you also do some comparisons between the G8X and the V60? Does the bigger battery, more RAM, SD865 make any noticeable differences?
It makes a huge Difference , and the Upgrade in the Camera photos and Videos Quality and feature in Both Rear Camera and Selfie and also in Audio ,a Huge Upgrade in V60
Love your videos
Juan the V60 is $900 which ain't cheap at all. Comparing the main sensor to the inferior telephoto one will get very close results every time but the new model must improve on what's already available, not take out hardware components to safe money.
The V60 is full retail $799, and is already being found for BOGO deals here in the USA. Camera to camera, there are excellent improvements to core photography, and the zoom is improved in low light over the V50. There's no controversy here.
@@SomeGadgetGuy the controversy is that LG is taking out features while everybody else is adding. Don't get me wrong - I used to love LG and I'm happy you're clarifying those camera differences but honestly what does the V60 really bring to the table for the asking price?
But adding what? Let's compare this to the S20. For $200 more, the 64MP sensor is only 1.06X optical zoom over the 12MP sensor (26mm equivalent lens to 28mm). That means, all of the "zooming" is done by cropping. Just like the V60. So Samsung is including two sensors which essentially deliver a similar overall experience as the main shooter on the V60.
I'm all for adding better features, but that's some marketing BS right there.
YOU should be asking, why does Samsung get to charge 25% more? For a more fluid screen? No headphone jack? The same camera performance (with unnecessary hardware) and poorer controls? No option for expanded or dual screen use? No stylus support? A smaller battery?
Why make LG justify their pricing and give Samsung a pass?
At $999, I can get a Galaxy S20.
OR I can get a V60 + Dual Screen + Active Pen +256GB U3 SD Card.
LG's pricing is perfectly competitive.
@@SomeGadgetGuy it is, but LG has no customer base or brand recognition as Samsung so they can't charge that much. I see no point in getting the S20 either as the S10 is half that and 95% as good, but the question is whether the V60 is worth spending 400 bucks on top of a dual screen G8 where the only main advantage is the better battery life?
The telephoto camera is nice to have for portrait shots as it naturally crops in to that portrait zoom length but I guess the software can just simply crop in, that said though I do worry about barrel distortion on wider lenses like the regular lenses at 77° vs ~40° on the zoom which solo make you more proportionate I think
So basically, what the V60 has done is digital zooming.
But I do have a question about the telephoto camera module. If that module relies on the main sensor, then what's the point of having the secondary telephoto camera in the first place? Aren't there any phones out there with tele cam that didn't rely on the main sensor, just the tele doing its own job alone?
Both in medium to lowlight did digital cropping zoom with interpolation
At 2x, it's 3mp (v50) vs 16mp (v60)
Hi where's the telephoto camera selection in my V50?new V50 user here
Great Video
Ya 2x tele is not a must if u got a strong high pixel main cam. However if the tele is 3x or more, it's a different story
I brought my v50 with dual screen aroud 300usd so i think i will still keep my v50
Francis Tiamzon where did you buy ?
I still think that 2x telephoto cams are pointless. If the main sensor is more than good it will bring good 2x digital zoom to the table regardless. LG just proves this idea is right. AFAIK telephoto cams should start at 3x, that's where the difference (both vanilla telephoto and hybrid zooms) in should be sizeable enough to measure without going into "investigation mode". At least LG didn't add whole "depth focus thingy" camera that does nothing besides raise the camera sensor count by one. Nokia, Xiaomi, Oppo/Vivo, Huawei and non-flagship Samsung phones like to add those homeopathic 2-5 MP cameras.
I somehow agree with you. For me, a telephoto camera with 3x optical zoom is definitely the right sweet spot. You can have a single telephoto camera with 5x optical zoom like the P40 Pro or the Find X2 Pro, but images between 1.1x and 4.9x wouldn't really look that good. That is why I applaud what vivo had done with the X30 Pro - two properly functional telephoto camera. A 32MP Quad Bayer camera with 50mm 2x optical zoom and a 13MP periscope camera with 135mm 5x optical zoom. Xiaomi Mi Note 10's 5x optical zoom is rather pointless if you ask me.
@@lukasdvorok6456 yes, 3d TOF camera on V60 actually does something objectively useful, that's why I'm giving LG kudos here.
Those little gimped 2X sensors are usually pretty terrible. You have to climb up to MUCH more expensive options, like what Samsung and Huawei are doing, before you really see some practical improvement over crop zoom on the main sensor. Balancing out price to performance though, those larger telephoto sensors are only phones that START at around $200 more than the V60.
Very educational video. Thank you! This really makes me wonder why Google put a telephoto lens on the Pixel 4 instead of an ultrawide.
Time? Budget? Camera "feel? I talked about that in my Pixel 4 coverage. I personally would have preferred an Ultrawide...
Juan splits hairs & atoms between the V50 / V60.
Said this time and again: Love your content!
Edit: During the COVID 19 pandemic, YT limited the quality to 480p in India.
Just the video step down to 480p🙃🧐?!
Probably was still processing. Video was at 1080p for me.
First time on RUclips?
Can you review Anyware Phonepad? It actually looks pretty good...
Fact: you get 4x area of 2x cropped zoom compared to v50
Why you didn't compare 64mp vs 12mp for details?
Can you do low light video compareison?? What in the range on ISO?
the shutter speed in video?
V40 only shoots video down to 24fps, anything slower is time lapse
Manual audio level like the V40??
I don't really understand this. Would you mind to explain in detail?
I get to upgrade my phone package tomorrow, my options are LG G8X, Note 10 Plus or a S20 note sure what to take.
The Note and the S20 is the same price...
R u from which country ?
Can you please do a v60 vs a g8x review.
In my country the v50 isn't available, the G8X is available, still waiting on the v60.
Not sure if I should wait for the v60
T-Mobile sells it for $800, dual-screen included.
What is the ISO SCALE???
The V40 goes from 50 to 3200 what is range on the V60??
i feel sorry for matt 😂.. anyway great video as always juan :)..
would you consider the v50s over the v50? or no? hehe
if only v60 had physical fingerprint scanner and was more portable/ easier to use one handed... I would have bought it over the v50.
what is better for vlogs the v60 or v50
Person: You know your telephoto lens is kinda garbage, right?
Me: Yes
Person: Then why do you keep using it?
Me: **Because it makes me feel better.**
- V40 owner
-I actually like the telephoto lens when I need it, lol-
Does the low light in video beat the V40???
Is a v50 a still a good buy?
Always a Great Review Juan... Thank You for Always pointing out the real features rather than giving us your opinions.. Good work!
Wow. Amazing video. I learned alot here! I have the v40. And I don't like that it tells me when I can use the zoom lens and not. I know in low light that I will get more noise for example. So yeah. I enjoy the direction lg went for in the v60. I wonder though. Could the zoomed pictures become even better if the main sensor would have variable aperture? Like being able to switch for 2.4 in daylight shots for better depth of field?
Thats an interesting idea. Stopping down would probably help clarity across the board. I certainly wouldnt mind it for macro shots.
Yes, you sent the link, but I didn't get the notification. Also any review of a Xiaomi? And also, I have only seen desktop mode (DeX for Samsung), but in the developer options there is also a setting called Force Desktop Mode on Secondary Screen, and I usually plug my phone via a hub into my monitor, so why don't I see changes?
GG, Matt!
0:29 Im hype i see my comment 😆
Feel ya man 😝
Btw the v50 and the g8x which has better camera
Love the v60 merde the best phone out now for me with beta battery n dual screen
Does the V60 need a front wide lens?
Can't member if you did a vid on this or not but would you day Google was wrong for adding only a Telephoto lens on the Pixel 4's?
Not "wrong" but certainly not what i would have preferred.
@@SomeGadgetGuy agreed
El lente de zoom en el V50 si estas en lugares oscuros o con poca luz usará el lente principal por medio del software.
Si estas con buena luz si utilizaras el zoom dedicado.
Hola me puedes decir que tal toma las fotos el v50?
En el día supongo que se comporta bien, quiero comprarlo, pero he visto que en la noche no es muy bueno, sabes si usando el modo manual de puede salvar más detalle en la noche? Aparte, lo has usado con la g cam? Que tal se comparta con la gcam en la noche?
Saludos y gracias de antemano.
As much as I love the desktop mode on my g8 (it's really, truly useful), it's not as full featured as, say, dex. Is there something third party software wise that you use to augment that or do you just use it stock
I've just been sticking with stock. LG's solution is a step above regular android, but it could use more work. I hope launcher developers will start offering some solutions too. I would LOVE to see a version of Nova or Microsoft launcher for desktop mode.
@@SomeGadgetGuy between the v35/v50 what would be your pick
But QuadDAC on desktop mode is unbeatable
Poor Matt! It’s all good man!
He's a good dude. All teasing in love 😁