Is The Bible Fiction?

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  • Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2013
  • "A Costco in Simi Valley found itself in a flap this week after a local pastor posted a photo on Twitter showing Bibles at the big-box store labeled as fiction. Caleb Kaltenbach, pastor of Discovery Church, came across the Bibles while shopping for a gift and tweeted the picture on Friday with the comment: "Costco has Bibles for sale under the genre of FICTION Hmmmm..." That didn't sit well with members of his congregation."* The Young Turks hosts Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian break it down.
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Комментарии • 2,4 тыс.

  • @clearcutter74
    @clearcutter74 10 лет назад +46

    This same pastor would probably complain if the Bible was on the same shelf as the Quran or the Vedas. "HOW DARE THEY GROUP THE BIBLE IN WITH THOSE OBVIOUS FICTIONS?"

    • @TheTablePaper
      @TheTablePaper 10 лет назад +2

      I seriously doubt that. Normally their placed in the religious section together anyway.

  • @blueststar4u
    @blueststar4u 10 лет назад +34

    Well, I would have been offended if it was labeled non-fiction. I guess we can't make everyone happy.

    • @simonpmccullagh6320
      @simonpmccullagh6320 10 лет назад +4

      The constitution guarantees religious freedom. Labeling the Bible as fact is intolerant of all non-christian religions. You have the right to be offended but you'd better get over it if you live in America.

    • @theatheistdebunker7598
      @theatheistdebunker7598 10 лет назад

      Simon P McCullagh It could be labeled fact, books about homeopathy would be put in the fact section so screw it, put the bibles in the fact section if it makes them feel happy.

    • @simonpmccullagh6320
      @simonpmccullagh6320 10 лет назад

      theatheistdebunker Putting homeopathy in the fact section isn't discriminating against someone's religion (although it is unfounded), putting the Bible in the fact section is. If you put the Bible in the fact section then the Koran has to go in there as well (if the constitution and freedom of religion is upheld). Since they fundamentally disagree with one another it holds that they both cannot be fact. You cannot forget civil liberties because religious people get offended. Let them get offended. If they were really being Christian they would be more offended by drone attacks, racism and police brutality. This is really a minor issue.

    • @theatheistdebunker7598
      @theatheistdebunker7598 10 лет назад +2

      Simon P McCullagh I was making the point that since homeopathy books are already in the fact section we should put all religious books in the fact section if it makes them happy, it means nothing to me.

    • @GrontalisV2
      @GrontalisV2 10 лет назад +1

      I would have brought my sharpie with me and blacked out the non part and left the Fiction part alone. It is just that. I am glad I got out of that clique which was christianity and live a much happier life now then I was as a christian.

  • @pimpinnevaslipin
    @pimpinnevaslipin 10 лет назад +39

    BTW i want my NORSE faith to be put under Non-Fiction. . . Odin is the All-Father. .. you will not disrespect him by putting his legendary name under Fiction. . this is disrespect and will not be tolerated!!
    * raises fist in anger *

    • @philosophicalreason
      @philosophicalreason 10 лет назад +14

      I am sure Christians would have no problem with the Torah,Koran or The Book of the Dead being labeled fiction.All that aside Catholics,Baptist,and Mormons are always arguing if there was no agnostics or atheist these stories would be about those groups.

    • @LordIsaacofGlencoe
      @LordIsaacofGlencoe 10 лет назад +2

      BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @Plato86
      @Plato86 10 лет назад +2

      The Twilight of the Gods has already occurred. Odin and Thor are dead.

    • @philosophicalreason
      @philosophicalreason 10 лет назад +1

      ***** Bull crap I got his Hammer,and on those ,"rare" nights under Thors Oak tree and I know that it is because the midgard serpent also told me lol. I was't even drunk(almost).

  • @Raziel_Knight
    @Raziel_Knight 10 лет назад +26

    Most likely not human error, but then again so what?
    I would like to see all religious books be labeled fiction, but my main gripe here is that THIS is considered a news worthy story, when for many years most religious material that wasn't of the Abrahamic religions, was and still is, classified in the "New Age" section, even when some of the religions *PREDATE* all three Abrahamic religions, and I have yet to see a news story about it yet.

    • @DandyDon1
      @DandyDon1 10 лет назад +5

      It's a little comedy relief.. We need some of this in between the real news ;)

    • @brianmorgan2307
      @brianmorgan2307 10 лет назад +1

      i think somebody in one of their warehouses did it intentionally. many years ago, i had a job where they had me make labels with the prices on them. i find it hard to believe that they only had two options of either fiction or non-fiction,

    • @AlaricHolmes
      @AlaricHolmes 10 лет назад +3

      Well said, regarding the labeling of non-Abrahamic religions for so many years until recently. But that's the way it is with mainstream Christians in America: if they marginalize so-called pagan religions, they're just being realistic; whereas if anyone even makes the appearance of marginalizing Christianity (which is anything short of accepting Jesus Christ as one's lewd and savory), then one is targeting Christianity and waging war on them. Ahhh... double standards. Is it any coincidence that the GOP and Christianity fit each other like a hand in a glove?

  • @capefear56
    @capefear56 10 лет назад +16

    Wrong! It should be under the "Mythology and Folklore" section.

    • @Shadowman9348
      @Shadowman9348 13 дней назад +1

      I personally like that idea, because even though I'm not a christian and never will be, I do like some of the stories. Mythology in all forms is fascinating. ✌️🍎🐍

  • @danielmanahan692
    @danielmanahan692 10 лет назад +31

    The bible should be listed as fiction because book stores and libraries should be consistent, not considerate.
    Should we also list Greek Mythology as Greek Factology just so we don't piss off any Greeks?
    Should Astrology be in the Science section too?
    Should Scientology be in the non-batshit-crazy section too?

    • @TheGeckoNinja
      @TheGeckoNinja 10 лет назад +1

      yeah seriously i would have made the argument " ok would you also like me to label greek mythology, chinese mythology, etc. etc. in fact category?" why is only your religion considered fact? that's very INTOLERANT OF YOU!" XD lets see them argue against that

    • @ContextEffects
      @ContextEffects 10 лет назад +2

      TheGeckoNinja Oh, they would. For the most part the zealots most offended by this would be quickest to make Christianity out to be better than literally any other religion.

  • @DmGray
    @DmGray 10 лет назад +18

    Telling somebody you think their beliefs are wrong is not intolerant.
    Telling people they should fuck off and not shop in you store if they believe in their religion would be intolerant.
    Costco didn't do this either. They labelled a product they were selling.
    Either by design or mistake, why should it matter? If the staff were ALL Hindu they would by definition believe the bibel was fiction, but if they're willing to sell it, that is a sign of tolerance, regardless of labelling.
    Ana is being way too politically correct.
    You do NOT tell a bully they have a point, and the Christian right in America is a bully.
    You can tell when they start calling the Pope "too liberal"

    • @mystyc0
      @mystyc0 10 лет назад +2

      You're wrong! It is my belief that your belief that it is not intolerant to tell someone that their belief is wrong, is WRONG! It IS intolerant! Also, stop persecuting me!

    • @Shadowman9348
      @Shadowman9348 13 дней назад

      ​@@mystyc0 Lol.

  • @wieslawl59
    @wieslawl59 10 лет назад +9

    In my opinion it should be labelled as horror, not just fiction. Fiction is NOT accurate enough.

  • @IamSpacedad
    @IamSpacedad 10 лет назад +18

    Costco owns. Great prices, great employees, and they treat those employees right. Shop at Costco and not only will you save money but you will be supporting ethical business!

    • @Turbine68
      @Turbine68 10 лет назад +3

      don't forget free samples

    • @Shadowman9348
      @Shadowman9348 13 дней назад +1

      Gotta pay for a Costco membership though, screw that. I'd be better off at Walmart lol.

  • @9753flyer
    @9753flyer 10 лет назад +17

    No Ana, it's no intentional to make fun of them or anything like that, it's simply labeling it based upon the evidence that is available.

  • @stephenwells6434
    @stephenwells6434 10 лет назад +13

    I agree with Cenk that this was probably human error, and I agree with Ana that if it WASN'T an error then it wasn't very nice, and I agree with both of them that since it probably was human error then this pastor should get over it.

  • @cbbuntz
    @cbbuntz 10 лет назад +19

    I don't know why the pastor is so bent out of shape. Sure, it should have been labeled "mythology," but now we're just arguing semantics.

    • @darkheart1721
      @darkheart1721 10 лет назад +1

      ***** I like that, because it is a mature book.

    • @darkheart1721
      @darkheart1721 10 лет назад +1

      ***** Haha, the things in the bible are mature content matter. Stoning people, slaves, deaths. Not for little kids.

    • @cbbuntz
      @cbbuntz 10 лет назад

      ***** Assuming you're not the type liable of taking jack and the bean stock as literal truth, the bible is a good read. It's good to understand just how dangerous the dogma is.

    • @DrJekyl30
      @DrJekyl30 10 лет назад

      ***** What part about is not good? The part where God sends people to war in his name? Or the part that says homosexuality is an abomination? Or the part where it says don't cheat on your wife? Or the part that says don't sleep with a woman before you are married to her? Oh wait, what about the part that tells us to help our fellow man when they are in need, or the part that says don't steal or covet our neighbors wife? So in your eyes the opposite is true. It's ok to be gay, go to war, kill, cheat, steal, and sleep with your neighbor's wife as long as it's ok in the US? You people are retarded. This is why the world is so messed up now.

  • @Mazzmaker69
    @Mazzmaker69 10 лет назад +21

    By the way,the reason why religious people don't like it at all when you make a comment about their religions,is because their religious ideals and theories are about as rigid as a house of cards. You put a bit of thought into religious beliefs and the whole thing crumbles.

    • @Wazoo3000
      @Wazoo3000 10 лет назад +1

      You took the words from underneath my finger tips!!

    • @KidGamer951
      @KidGamer951 10 лет назад +1

      not really. Try doing some religious philosophy, you will come up against a little known guy called Thomas Aquinas

    • @Wazoo3000
      @Wazoo3000 10 лет назад +1

      KidGamer951 I believe in a afterlife and spirits and even a god, But all religions are simply Cults. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it. Christianity/Satanism,scientology,etc. They are all the same made up non sense. I love how people try to simplify things. This world has some corrupt/evil people in it and throughout history and even now religion has always been used to keep the masses ignorant and apathetic. If you can't see that then you are on the ignorant side and no thats not the "devil" talking...

    • @TheRacistsMustDie
      @TheRacistsMustDie 10 лет назад

      KidGamer951 Or Augustine, Kierkegaard, Cusanus, Chesterton, Pascal and many others.

  • @TheFatbip
    @TheFatbip 10 лет назад +12

    It is a fiction book! A Christian would call the Koran a fiction book. They would call Zeus a mythological god. So, why can't non-Christians call their book fiction without being labeled as intolerant?

    • @mindless2dope
      @mindless2dope 10 лет назад

      Your argument is saying, if everyone thinks something then it must be true. Everything is based on ones perception. Since the majority accepts it then it must be automatically accepted by the minority but this isn't so. The Bible is a book that also needs to be deciphered because it can't be applied to society today.

  • @YouOnlyLiveTwiceBro
    @YouOnlyLiveTwiceBro 10 лет назад +15

    While I believe the bible should be marked under fiction or at least mythology. It is clear that the tag was placed on another tag, leading me to believe that a costumer put it there as a joke. This is the definition of a non issue. If Costco had a problem with the bible they probably just wouldn't sell it.

    • @mystyc0
      @mystyc0 10 лет назад +1

      Never ascribe to either malice or stupidity that which can be adequately explained by someone 'doing it for the lulz'.

  • @Venefica82
    @Venefica82 10 лет назад +5

    I am Pagan and this is how much I care if a bookstore labels books on witchcraft, Wicca and Paganism as fiction, 0 prosent. I do not need anyone else to put my religion on a pedestal, as long as I am left alone to practice my faith in peace I am happy with that.

  • @DalithaMW
    @DalithaMW 10 лет назад +9

    It is fiction, it talks about people slaying dragons and giants and wielding the powers of a god...sounds like Beowulf and other fiction. And if they want to label it as non-fiction then I say label Star Wars as non-fiction.

  • @nitelite78
    @nitelite78 10 лет назад +8

    The most shocking thing about this story is the $14.99 price tag for the bible.
    Why pay that amount of money when you can just steal them from churches or hotel rooms.

    • @ethosflux
      @ethosflux 10 лет назад +3

      Or better yet, not owning one at all.

  • @PaddySnuffles
    @PaddySnuffles 9 лет назад +11

    Technically calling it a mythology is correct - canon and mythology are technically the same thing. Like, definition-wise. Plus, if you're not a follower of a religion then it's mythology in the commonly used connotation, from the speaker's perspective.

    • @molliebug
      @molliebug 9 лет назад +1

      PaddySnuffles very accurate statement :) definitive definitions are always good

    • @PaddySnuffles
      @PaddySnuffles 9 лет назад

      Mollie Overington Thanks! :D

    • @safnhuo
      @safnhuo 9 лет назад +3

      PaddySnuffles My local library has it shelved in the Culture and Mythology section. It's on the same shelf with Greek mythology books, Celtic Folklore, etc.

    • @PaddySnuffles
      @PaddySnuffles 9 лет назад +1

      ***** As it should be. Sounds like the people running your public library have a good head on their shoulders, especially when by Dewey Decimal standards it would actually be in the gigantic section of Religion reserved for stuff on Christianity (while _all_ other religions get squished together into a teeny tiny corner of the Religion section - it's utterly ridiculous). I'm studying to become a pubic library librarian, so it makes me particularly happy to hear of public libraries doing this (and that you visit yours enough to know where they keep it! ^_~)

    • @jopestv1063
      @jopestv1063 9 лет назад

      PaddySnuffles Allegory?

  • @OpinionParade
    @OpinionParade 10 лет назад +7

    Labels aside, if you believe that the bible is the word of god, then you shouldn't allow it to be SOLD for PROFIT.
    Get your priorities right, Christians.

  • @maxpower1232
    @maxpower1232 10 лет назад +15

    Yes, yes it is fiction.

  • @eatmorenachos
    @eatmorenachos 10 лет назад +11

    Books are labeled to make it easier for people to find them, so obviously the Bible should be labeled as "religion" because that's what the people who buy it are looking for.
    Any business looking to sell books would want to label them to make it easier for customers to find what they're looking for---so obviously this wasn't some sort of "corporate plot" or anything, it was just a mistake.
    It's like finding a can of beans in the flour section of the grocery store, either an innocent mistake or a snarky move by an employee but not something to scream about.

  • @bj0rn_509
    @bj0rn_509 10 лет назад +3

    This is equivalent to a homeopathy doctor being outraged over finding his bottles labelled as "placebo".

  • @tyty2fly2
    @tyty2fly2 10 лет назад +6

    It should be labelled as "teen fiction"

  • @TalladegaTom
    @TalladegaTom 10 лет назад +10

    "Is The Bible Fiction?" Of Course!

    • @JackSon-se2vi
      @JackSon-se2vi 3 года назад

      Not

    • @mrdg1011
      @mrdg1011 3 дня назад

      ​@@JackSon-se2viyes it is fiction erthing in it is false and confusing

  • @lukaszepesi
    @lukaszepesi 10 лет назад +7

    I love how people call greek mythology a mythology and not a religion. The only difference between greek mythology and christianity is that there's a bunch of people alive today that believe the bible is true. The stories are equally as improbable but one gets respected and acknowleged by the president and all of the government while the other gets dismissed as the misguided and primitive beliefs of an ancient civilization. I personally like greek mythology a lot better because the stories are great. I don't believe either of these myths but if you look at how different these two stories get treated it's a bit ridiculous.

  • @philipebersole6304
    @philipebersole6304 10 лет назад +29

    People get offended when you question their beliefs because they feel that you are attacking their faith and therefor attacking them. The best way to turn someone into an atheist is to have them read the Bible. Cover to cover and not just some cherry picked versus they read in church. But MUCH better yet is to not try to turn anyone into anything. But never let someone's beliefs trample on someone else's rights. This is why we have the separation of church and state. wise men our founding fathers were.

    • @royalstar655
      @royalstar655 10 лет назад +13

      When beliefs cause mass death, war, pain and ignorance, those beliefs must be cut.

    • @Sweetp000433
      @Sweetp000433 10 лет назад +9

      Yep, I started reading it and continuously went to my mother for her to explain some parts to me. She got frustrated with me, like I was just suppose to except he turned some chick into salt for doing what ever freaking human would do, for drowning babies, for killing first borns. There were some moments where I thought even if he was real, I wouldn't want to worship him....he's an abusive parent.

    • @Pixelmancer
      @Pixelmancer 10 лет назад +2

      Half of them owned slaves. Any wisdom from them is a lucky coincidence.

    • @weterman4320
      @weterman4320 10 лет назад

      ***** yes. i am chritsain, but i dont follow any church. especially catholic. catholic is bullshit. child rape is against 10 commandments, and pope supports it.

    • @Pixelmancer
      @Pixelmancer 10 лет назад

      ***** What do you mean in the past? They're still causing problems every day in real life. Trying to force teens to have babies they can't take care of, trying to keep gays from having rights, doing stuff like 9 11.

  • @KMAsKorner
    @KMAsKorner 10 лет назад +4

    I don't know about Costco but I worked at "Borders Books and Music" and book locations was determined from headquarters. If a book comes in to the store labeled as fiction it goes to the fiction section. It wasn't determined by anyone at that store itself.

  • @onlychild86
    @onlychild86 10 лет назад +7

    The real outrage is charging 14.99 for a centuries-old book. I can get the classics of Twain or Dickens on my Kindle for nothing. Who the hell still pays for the Bible?

    • @ContextEffects
      @ContextEffects 10 лет назад

      A lot of people feel it isn't the same unless it's on paper. Especially older people, who are probably more likely to want to read the Bible anyway.

    • @1955RodHot
      @1955RodHot 10 лет назад

      People so uneducated that they still believe in the Bible, I suppose.

  • @SmartK8
    @SmartK8 10 лет назад +6

    I don't understand how anyone can think that supernatural things can fulfill the condition of being in existence. They can't. Supernatural = unreal = non-existent. Existence is defined as a distinguishable phenomenon in physical reality. Talking about gods as existing is not valid conversation. The fact that somebody is able to specify properties of such entity doesn't imply the possibility of existence. Any way you look at it. Supernatural things didn't qualify to be considered EXISTING.

  • @thegazetteyt
    @thegazetteyt 10 лет назад +4

    'Undermine Christian beliefs?" If a sticker on a book undermines their beliefs then they need to get stronger beliefs. It's a sticker, first world problems.

  • @2770water
    @2770water 10 лет назад +5

    Here is what I say. Labeling the bible fiction is really religiously tolerant. For if you would have to label a holy book as non-fiction then you would have several holy books preaching different incompatible versions of what happens all as non-fiction. This would make one big contradiction so if they label all holy books as fiction then they tolerate all religions equally.

  • @gabeplg
    @gabeplg 10 лет назад +11

    The guy who labeled that Bible is awesome. Enough said.

  • @MtheAtheist
    @MtheAtheist 10 лет назад +6

    I believe the Bible is suppose to be listed under Reference. When I started studying it, so long ago, the librarian lady told me to start in the reference section and that is where the Bible was. It may have changed since then.

    • @lucascarlson898
      @lucascarlson898 10 лет назад +4

      How can it be reference? There is no evidence that the people who wrote it were all real, and several of the things said in the Bible are untrue. That's sounds like fiction or mythology, not reference.

    • @MtheAtheist
      @MtheAtheist 10 лет назад

      It was under reference because a lot of people refer to it. Also, most religious texts are under reference because it is presumed to be historical and the Dewey Decimal System started when it was all very seriously accepted. I hope this helps.

    • @unabnats
      @unabnats 10 лет назад

      Reference can be fiction too. Like plays, song books, or opinion essays.

  • @John-gm8ty
    @John-gm8ty 10 лет назад +5

    labeling it "religion" would still make it fiction haha

  • @funknotik
    @funknotik 10 лет назад +11

    There should be a rule of thumb if there is a book and there's a fucking dragon in it . Sorry it's FiCTION dude!

    • @karlslicher8520
      @karlslicher8520 10 лет назад +1

      ***** It's a big Monitor Lizard.

    • @DrJekyl30
      @DrJekyl30 10 лет назад

      You people believe in dinosaurs but not dragons. Interesting.

    • @karlslicher8520
      @karlslicher8520 10 лет назад

      DrJekyl30 Water Dragon? I would have one if I had the room for an enclosure.

    • @DrJekyl30
      @DrJekyl30 10 лет назад

      Karl Slicher lol so would I, but that doesn't mean dragons never existed or even exist today. Tons of undiscovered things still out there today. Only time will tell.

    • @funknotik
      @funknotik 10 лет назад +1

      I stand erected... it is true that Daenerys Targaryen heralds the coming of the age of Dragons!

  • @malibu14111
    @malibu14111 10 лет назад +8

    Cenk you're an Atheist, you're not Agnostic. You deny there is something more, Agnostic acknowledges the fact that we simply can't know.

    • @EntinludeX
      @EntinludeX 10 лет назад

      Since when is agnosticism mutually exclusive from atheism? One tends not to believe in unknown things.

    • @PolemicContrarian
      @PolemicContrarian 10 лет назад +1

      He's both.

    • @Morogonaiwolf
      @Morogonaiwolf 10 лет назад +1

      I must tell you that your stance on atheism is incorrect.
      Atheism means that you don't believe there is a god (a theist, non theist)
      Agnostisism means you don't know if there is a god (gnosis is knowing/knowledge)
      You can be an Agnostic Atheist, an Agnostic theist, an gnostic atheist and an gnostic theist.
      Atheism and Agnostisism are awnsering two different questions.

    • @EntinludeX
      @EntinludeX 10 лет назад +1

      Morogonaiwolf Riiiight...I completely understand that however, I don't see where there's mutual exclusion between disbelief & the unknown. It's simply a matter of overlaying incredulity.

    • @oO_ox_O
      @oO_ox_O 10 лет назад

      > Agnostic acknowledges the fact that we simply can't know.
      You make it sound as if atheists wouldn't be able to.

  • @SIXITHS
    @SIXITHS 10 лет назад +8

    The Bible is the most shoplifted book in America...
    Good to see it in the right section at last though thank Athena...

  • @jackthePS3GAMER
    @jackthePS3GAMER 10 лет назад +3

    Originally, TYT starts talking about the bible being called "fiction". Then, somehow, we start talking about much more evil Wal-Mart is because Costco is more progressive, therefore they're better people.

  • @Le_Sourpuss
    @Le_Sourpuss 10 лет назад +3

    The fact that you have the Bible under fiction doesn't mean you don't tolerate it. If you didn't tolerate it, it would probably not be on sale lol.

  • @gina333
    @gina333 6 лет назад +5

    Whoever did that is my hero.

  • @PartyUpLive
    @PartyUpLive 10 лет назад +4

    Ana, even if it was done intentionally, we can't assume it was done intentionally for the purpose of making fun of and to annoy them. Maybe it was done intentionally because they believe it is Fiction, and labeled it as such?

  • @leahsmommy1910
    @leahsmommy1910 10 лет назад +2

    I compare this pastor's experience to when I was a child, and I went over to my friend's house for Easter. Her, her mother, and I had set out the Easter presents for her younger siblings the night before. That night I learned.....there was no Easter bunny. Couldn't they have just pretended for me!?!?!

  • @Tuberuser187
    @Tuberuser187 10 лет назад +5

    How would this pastor have reacted if he saw Śruti volumes or the Quran labeled as non fiction? I bet he would have had apoplexy.

  • @ademetal
    @ademetal 10 лет назад +4

    "We're supposed to be living in an era of tolerance" correct, so try convincing some of your congregation to support lgbt rights and stop playing the victim card at a mislabelled bible.

  • @yiushin2
    @yiushin2 10 лет назад +3

    quick summary: yes the bible is largely fiction

  • @winterstellar
    @winterstellar 10 лет назад +12

    Naaaah....the whole Earth being flooded, or just being 6000yrs instead of the proven 4.57 billion yrs....how could the book, written by accient, ignorant flat-eathers possibly be fiction? What's next, Harry Potter being fiction? Haha!

  • @dubldeka
    @dubldeka 10 лет назад +2

    So what did they re label it as, Crime, Fantasy or Horror?

  • @chadedwards7689
    @chadedwards7689 10 лет назад +3

    They aren't worried about it being in fiction because it colors the way THEY think about the bible. No, they are worried that since it is in the fiction section, they are losing out on their propaganda opportunities, because its location is a confirmation of them being wrong.

  • @Kevin15047
    @Kevin15047 10 лет назад +7

    Well he's right. In libraries, bookstores, etc. Bibles and such are always under "religion/spirituality". It's either human error or one smart ass employee. The pastor is blowing this way out of proportion. It was either a mistake in which case, let it go, or it was the doing of a single employee. Turn the other cheek much? I'm not a Christian but I think this guy (Cenk is it?) is such an asshole when it comes to stuff like this. I mean aren't liberals supposed to be tolerant or something? No you do NOT have to accept Christianity but you do have to accept that not everyone believes what you do. What militant atheist never realize is that when they belittle everyone who doesn't share their point of view, they're doing just what the fundamentalist do! Thank goodness Ana is there to balance this mess out. She can at least see things from others' points of view. Cenk (I think that's his name) doesn't even try. When he goes off like that I just want to slap him.

    • @SlimAndSlamsLoveJuice
      @SlimAndSlamsLoveJuice 10 лет назад +3

      I'm surprised you feel this way I thought he was spot on (for the most part). How was he belittling them? By pointing out their hypocrisy?

    • @ElricGameplays
      @ElricGameplays 9 лет назад

      I kinda agree with you.

  • @bboyloco3
    @bboyloco3 10 лет назад +6

    Is it me or does Ana Kasparian look like Counselor Deanna
    Troi from Star trek the next generation?

    • @royalstar655
      @royalstar655 10 лет назад

      Troy is a Greek broad, this one is Armenian, but yea... I feel you homie

  • @patrikwiksten
    @patrikwiksten 10 лет назад

    Ana and Cenk, this is why I love your show and watch mainstream news more and more seldom. You guys not only find the core problem (about minimum wage), you also makes it fun to watch and worth thinking about. ...And bout the tagging? Well if it isn't fiction, you might consider tag it "religilous"? :O)

  • @TestMeatDollSteak
    @TestMeatDollSteak 10 лет назад +3

    Seems rather obvious. It's a collection of fairy tales, folklore and fables that occasionally involves actual historical places and persons.

  • @mistermr.7830
    @mistermr.7830 10 лет назад +3

    LMAO I'm sorry, I couldn't stop laughing. So the PASTER said that the books marked "Fiction" were bizarre...
    ...but the stories of the Talking Snake, Magic Apple, Senior Citizens splitting water, Senior Citizens building arcs, A man walking on water and turning watter into wine are perfectly non-bizarre! That's just NORMAL!

  • @rockyblacksmith
    @rockyblacksmith 10 лет назад +4

    OK, if someone asks for the bible to be labeled "scientific", that is nonsense. But there should be a distingtion between books that are just there to entertain and those that people use as a guideline for life. That's the difference that should be made. Maybe not a perfect comparison, but it's something like as if another country published the US constitution under the label "fiction".
    Where's the difficulty in labeling the bible "religious"? That would, by the way, be unquestionably correct.

  • @Tomay321
    @Tomay321 9 лет назад +2

    Shop somewhere else if it offends you. What a complete waste of breath.

  • @BicSC7A
    @BicSC7A 10 лет назад +4

    "I'm agnostic, I don't believe in any religion". Um..... that's called being an atheist.

    • @Preskinn
      @Preskinn 10 лет назад

      uuuuh. no.

    • @DerrenBrown100
      @DerrenBrown100 10 лет назад +1

      Ana says that she's Agnostic because Cenk does. She doesn't think for herself.

    • @johnbright7518
      @johnbright7518 10 лет назад

      Baraa.arrabi Bicno No, it doesn't. Being agnostic means that you think that human reason is incapable of proving/disproving the existence of a god or any other metaphysical claims, especially those found in religion. This belief assigns no higher value of preference to either an athiestic or theistic point of view.

  • @QueenLioness84
    @QueenLioness84 10 лет назад +8

    The sensitivity, perhaps, derives from the lack of empirical support of their beliefs. Let's be honest, unless you're a little touched, no singular person believes in their religious text 100 percent. There are something questionable things in all aspects of religion and religious people know this.

  • @Steve27775
    @Steve27775 10 лет назад +2

    Isaac Asimov was right: "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." I wouldn't trust anyone who believes that the Bible is literally true.

  • @ryry20002
    @ryry20002 10 лет назад +2

    I have a theory that someone intentionally makes the first frame of every TYT video an awkward face of Ana.

  • @caitastrophy123
    @caitastrophy123 10 лет назад +4

    The bible is just as real as Harry Potter.

  • @TURBOMIKEIFY
    @TURBOMIKEIFY 9 лет назад +3

    Anna used Agnosticism wrong. To disbelieve and dismiss any religion is pure Atheism. To not know about what deity exist, is Agnosticism. According to Oxford Dictionary, an Agnostic is; "a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither belief nor disbelief in God". How she claimed to be Agnostic, then say that she doesn't believe that there is any deity, dubbing her, Atheist. What I get from Oxford University's dictionary is, an Agnostic thinks that there is a possibility that there is something that is there, but can't know for sure.

  • @ATalkingShark
    @ATalkingShark 10 лет назад +2

    Short answer, yes it is. Long answer, yes it really is fiction.

  • @nychold
    @nychold 10 лет назад +5

    If this had been a book of Norse or Roman or Greek Mythology labeled as fiction, do you think he would have gotten upset? If it *had* be the Quran, or the Tanakh (Jewish holy book) labeled fiction, would he have been upset? How about the Bhagavata Purana? No. Ironically enough, it's only intolerant when it's *your* religion being made fun of, but other religions are fair game. Religion is fiction, all religion. Deal with it.

    • @Xeranx
      @Xeranx 10 лет назад

      You're asking a question concerning whether he would be upset about what he would think about seeing a similar thing done with the Quaran or Tanakh. First you'd have to question if he even notice those books to begin with before you can start declaring him some kind of hypocrite. If he's the kind of person to notice stuff like that, he actually might react the same way or he might not. It's about degrees of separation.
      If someone is killed in your town, are you all that concerned? If someone is killed next door to you, are you all that concerned? If someone is killed in your house, are you all that concerned?
      Something else to keep in mind: There are things that I will and sometimes do get upset over, *but* I don't feel the need to lead the charge over it because I don't consider it my battle. That's another attitude he could have over the labels of the Quran or Tanakh. He could not like it, but not feel the need to say anything. That's not really indifference nor is it concern. It's picking your battles.

  • @starscreamdakmo
    @starscreamdakmo 10 лет назад +3

    its total fucking out the ass full blown fiction

  • @cjfilmproductions
    @cjfilmproductions 10 лет назад +5

    So the Same people who burn books they disagree with want to talk about tolerance? OK.

    • @1909bigdawg1
      @1909bigdawg1 10 лет назад

      No. Christians don't do that.

    • @cjfilmproductions
      @cjfilmproductions 10 лет назад +1

      lol. no of course they don't. they did not burn elvis or beatles records or heavy metal records or the koran or people who they believed were witches and scientists i must me thinking of another religion .

    • @1909bigdawg1
      @1909bigdawg1 10 лет назад

      Yeah, you're thinking of the past. Is the USA racist because they owned slaves 150 years ago? No, of course not. That was then, this is now. Christians don't do any of the things you mentioned anymore.

    • @cjfilmproductions
      @cjfilmproductions 10 лет назад

      what ? when exactly did the US stop being Racist? have you seen the prison statistics in this country or the make up of elected officials ? Old white men run this country now just like they did 150 years ago what exactly has changed? and i guess the burning of Harry potter books in 2002 was Ancient history? Are we living in Denial? You are a christian apologist of course you live in denial never mind you do not need answer that.

    • @1909bigdawg1
      @1909bigdawg1 10 лет назад

      When was the last time you went outside your house? A black man runs the country. wake up for goodness sakes!

  • @Threetails
    @Threetails 9 лет назад +2

    You have to understand, these Evangelicals aren't just convinced that the Bible is literal truth, but they are encouraged by their leaders from a young age to believe that they are being persecuted, and are very adept at finding anything to validate that view up to and including acting out to provoke a reaction.
    As a child, I attended Evangelical youth groups and we were actively encouraged to make big scenes of showing our religion in public, then to see ourselves as being "persecuted" when we inevitably were censured for making big scenes in public. That's the kind of insanity that pervades the Evangelical persecution complex. Something like seeing a "Fiction" sticker on a Bible would make these people think Armageddon was just around the corner for sure because they're encouraged to catastrophize everything.

  • @josephkidd7556
    @josephkidd7556 10 лет назад +2

    my bookstore had 50 shades of grey as a kids book

  • @Plato86
    @Plato86 10 лет назад +4

    Just because something is fiction does not mean it is invalid or irrelevant. Some of the greatest books ever written are in the fiction section. I dare say most of the greatest works of literature are fiction.

    • @AnEntropyFan
      @AnEntropyFan 10 лет назад +10

      Exactly - putting the Genocide Odyssey in the fiction section is, if anything, an insult to good fiction.

    • @emkelman6927
      @emkelman6927 10 лет назад

      Great thought, beautifully delivered.

    • @izicial7469
      @izicial7469 9 лет назад

      Doesn't change the fact that it is fiction.

  • @TheLegendOfAndrew
    @TheLegendOfAndrew 10 лет назад +3

    Is the Bible fiction?
    Does a 10 pound bag of flour make a really big biscuit?

  • @woodpryan
    @woodpryan 10 лет назад +1

    I gotta admit - when I worked at a bookstore I once replaced the "Religion" label above the bibles with a "Fiction" label. It was right before I quit.

  • @ltsMeSB
    @ltsMeSB 10 лет назад +2

    People aren't required to respect OR tolerate outmoded fantasy cults. Period.

  • @CHEESYhairyGASH
    @CHEESYhairyGASH 10 лет назад +4

    is the bible fiction?
    yes.
    we move forward

  • @docdrew87
    @docdrew87 10 лет назад +4

    Was it the talking snake, the unicorns or the guy who brought people back from the dead that might lead one to label this book as fiction? Or maybe it was the dragons. Or the guy who lived in a whale. Or a pan global flood. Or etc., etc., etc.

  • @youngn420
    @youngn420 10 лет назад +2

    Did somebody say talking snakes? Yeah that qualifies as fiction to me. I fail to see a problem here.

  • @theabowlby
    @theabowlby 10 лет назад +1

    I work at a Costco and the warehouses get them prelabeled. It wasn't done at the store level.

  • @scienceismyopium
    @scienceismyopium 10 лет назад +3

    This story shows the religious self-righteous entitlement at its finest. I will add, that I am, too, deeply offended Mr Kaltenbach by the fact that the Bible and the Quran are not put in the 'fiction' aisle in most bookshops around the world.

  • @Joseph565112
    @Joseph565112 10 лет назад +3

    It is correctly labeled...even in a correctly cataloged bookstore, religious and other mythical materials are found in the overall fiction section of the establishment.
    Additionally, perfectly illustrates America's problems - far more so than money in politics......we have a significant portion of the population that is relatively affluent (making many times what workers in Europe or Asia make), and they're also totally detached from reality, all wrapped up in their particular religious myths,

  • @disrxt
    @disrxt 10 лет назад +1

    I guess this particular bookstore lacked a "BULLSHIT" section.

  • @icelandicboy
    @icelandicboy 10 лет назад +1

    Costco's slogan should be... "We're not Walmart..."

  • @PaddySnuffles
    @PaddySnuffles 9 лет назад +4

    Well, virgin births ARE actually a thing... just not with humans. My favourite example is this one lizard species comprised solely of females.

    • @koalafarts4700
      @koalafarts4700 9 лет назад +1

      So Mary was a lizard?

    • @PaddySnuffles
      @PaddySnuffles 9 лет назад +2

      Koala Farts Maybe that's where the whole "lizard people" trope came from. ;P

    • @blahchop
      @blahchop 9 лет назад

      PaddySnuffles I'm not sure that you can categorize an asexual species as one sex or another...

    • @jasonyao6324
      @jasonyao6324 8 лет назад

      +PaddySnuffles Feminism?

  • @retrorevival1
    @retrorevival1 10 лет назад +10

    "Christian belief" he says it himself. So if you have to believe in something - then it's not true, you don't know it's true, you just believe it to be. Therefore - fiction section, sorry buddy, many people believe Twilight is real that doesn't mean vampires are real and that it should go in the non-fiction section. Maybe costco don't have a religion section?

    • @bamm86
      @bamm86 10 лет назад +1

      They're basically choosing to stay ignorant. So sad. Try talking to a Christian about other methods or science. lol They will do their best to not allow you to get one word out. They should be able to listen to you and keep their beliefs, but they themselves know that if they listen, their beliefs will be shattered.

  • @RavenBlaze
    @RavenBlaze 10 лет назад +1

    I suddenly have an urge to go to book stores and put the bibles in the fiction section.

  • @SirRaejk
    @SirRaejk 10 лет назад +1

    the person who did this is probably like "fuck my life, fuck my life, fuck my life"

  • @AlaricHolmes
    @AlaricHolmes 10 лет назад +9

    I know this is totally unrelated to the content of this video, except perhaps that it has to do with labeling, but I worked in a library for a while (some of the best times I ever had in terms of work), and we used the Library of Congress call number system, as it's in every way superior to the Dewey Decimal System. For those who aren't aware, the LoC call# system uses, for the most part, two-letter codes on the first line--sometimes called the "prefix" on the call#--and I really enjoyed that afternoon when I realized that the books about the Bible (including the Bible itself) were categorized under--wait for it... wait for it...--BS! That's right! The first two letters that you see on the labels on books related to the Bible are BS!

    • @jabe55
      @jabe55 10 лет назад +2

      It's being unfairly categorized. Even I question some of what the bible says, but it does have historical truths in it, not completely fiction.

    • @smaugfrost
      @smaugfrost 10 лет назад +11

      Josh And the Amazing Spider Man comic books have "historical" facts and actual geographical locales presented (NYC) but it is still fictional.

    • @DarthAzabrush
      @DarthAzabrush 10 лет назад

      smaugfrost
      The Doomsday book has dragons, chimeras, hippogriffs, dogmen and dozens of other weird and wacky creatures mentioned in it. It's still classed as a historical source

    • @Nerobyrne
      @Nerobyrne 10 лет назад

      Ian Warner I'm not too sure, but I think historical source doesn't mean historians believe it actually happened. The tales by Homer are a historical source too, but as far as I know it's agreed that the Battle with the Trojan Horse never happened.
      The bible is a great book to tell us about what people thought and believed in the past, but I'm quite certain historians would not put much stock in anything that is only found in the bible. Basically, it would be anthropological history.

    • @DarthAzabrush
      @DarthAzabrush 10 лет назад

      Herodotus is another example. It has everything from the plausible to the obtuse to the outright mythical in the one book. Its a historian's job to sort fact from fiction. The odd dragon or monoped means the source is less reliable but its not so unreliable that it may as well be on the shelf with Moll Flanders (which despite being fiction is a damn good insight into Georgian Crime and Punishment)

  • @tommypolack
    @tommypolack 10 лет назад +3

    Come on...man walking on water, raised from the grave after 3 days (zombie), turn water into wine without grapes, Moses crossing the seas, ...
    It's either fiction or fairy tails or bull-crap.

  • @zEropoint68
    @zEropoint68 10 лет назад +2

    The bible contains the same ratio of fact to fiction as "Gone With the Wind".

  • @thegoverningbodybag9668
    @thegoverningbodybag9668 10 лет назад +2

    The bigger question that Christians should be asking is, if the Bible is Gods word should it not be free of charge?

  • @RuleofFive
    @RuleofFive 10 лет назад +5

    Spoiler Alert: YES!

  • @RiC_David
    @RiC_David 10 лет назад +6

    The Bible isn't supposed to be taken as a historical textbook. I'm not the first to discuss this (Reza Aslan does a tremendous job, see his TYTInterviews video or buy his book) but watch my video 'Understanding God and Religion' if you want; even the notion of "God" itself is, in my take, misunderstood potentially even by those who scribed the words thousands of years ago - try to describe nothingness without making it into a thing, you can't because our language creates concepts even of the non conceptual. We're arguing over whether there really is a big bad wolf when it was only ever supposed to convey philosophy.

    • @bermudaguy1
      @bermudaguy1 10 лет назад +3

      Yeah, well if anyone has proof that got exists, fuckin hurray, cause I'm still waiting to see that shit! Got proof?

    • @sebs29
      @sebs29 10 лет назад

      bermudaguy1 Got Milk?

    • @Gnomefro
      @Gnomefro 10 лет назад

      I think you're underestimating how superstitious people were in ancient times.

  • @riderlibertas2580
    @riderlibertas2580 10 лет назад +2

    I would think that labeling it Fantasy would be more appropriate.

  • @TheKalimanMX
    @TheKalimanMX 10 лет назад +1

    telling people their religion is fake is the easiest and oldest method to rustle some jimmies.

  • @JD12ish
    @JD12ish 10 лет назад +4

    I obviously don't agree with the guy but I can imagine he's believes that if he DOES NOT defend God at every turn, that is if he saw this and did nothing, God would be upset with him.

    • @tctheunbeliever
      @tctheunbeliever 10 лет назад +5

      Good point--we know from the bible that god is petty and sadistic.

    • @JD12ish
      @JD12ish 10 лет назад

      Well, if you actually believe there IS a god, then yes, he is petty and cruel. But the more objective reality is that it's just simple human minds being cought up in their own fears and lack of basic knowledge about the world.

  • @halochris117
    @halochris117 10 лет назад +7

    It's kind of like waking up one day and finding your favorite music filed under oldies. If he was 7 yo and found a copy of Rudolf The Red Nosed Reindeer filed under fiction he'd probably get the same reaction from his friends as he is getting now. Everyone has to grow up sometime and some people just need a little longer that's all.

  • @---Free-Comics---IG---Playtard
    @---Free-Comics---IG---Playtard 10 лет назад

    +1 Cenks gusto!
    Great report!

  • @madjimms
    @madjimms 10 лет назад

    I do this when I go to Barns & Noble! Move the religious books to the fiction section is always fun.

  • @JohnBlessed5
    @JohnBlessed5 10 лет назад +6

    1:10 The Holy Bible is not fiction... Revelation, the 7 headed dragon is a vision or dream from God that John had. Humans get visions and dreams from God, messages from God... God is God, he can do anything.

    • @KOSKentOlaf
      @KOSKentOlaf 10 лет назад +2

      He can do anything? Can he fuck and sing at the same time? My God....GodofGod can do that + much more. It's fun to make up abilities for your imaginary superskydaddy....don't you think?

    • @jedijam.6171
      @jedijam.6171 10 лет назад +1

      chris boyd the 7 headed dragon is not a literal dragon it's the roman empire (roman catholic church) , all the beast represented in the visions of daniel, john etc represent something they don't literally represent the animals that they say they are

    • @ImagesByDavid
      @ImagesByDavid 10 лет назад +2

      Amen the Bible is the Word of the Creator GOD.

    • @ImagesByDavid
      @ImagesByDavid 10 лет назад

      *****
      Study Matthew 24 and John 3.

    • @InfectedByEli
      @InfectedByEli 10 лет назад +2

      ImagesByDavid
      The bible is the word of man.
      The Gospel according to Matthew, the Gospel according to Mark, the Gospel according to god ... oh wait, that didn't happen, did it? All of the books of the bible were written by men. At best, they are men's accounts of what they believed a god had done, or proclaimed to them in dreams. At best, the bible is a book of hearsay.
      The bible is a collection of books decided upon by committee. Do you believe that the books included in the bible are "the word of god" and yet those books and scriptures that are no longer included are suddenly not the word of god? How about the Infancy Gospel of St James, or the Epistle of Barnabas, or even the Didache?
      Word of god, my arse.

  • @YaYaMan
    @YaYaMan 8 лет назад +3

    I'm not Christian, but come on, respect other peoples faiths.

    • @coolstorybruh88
      @coolstorybruh88 8 лет назад +2

      it's fiction.

    • @ederhansberger3823
      @ederhansberger3823 7 лет назад +1

      Yaahyak they cant.They are obssesd with trashing on us.I am white and christian and they make fun of people my skin color and my faith.

    • @PrimetimeSlush82
      @PrimetimeSlush82 7 лет назад

      yaahyak but it's fiction

  • @ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e
    @ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e 10 лет назад +2

    The employees should have immediately apologized that the Torah and the Quran were not there right next to it.

  • @ThisSentenceIsFalse
    @ThisSentenceIsFalse 10 лет назад +1

    If the bible is fiction then I'm a rib-lady who talks to snakes and eats knowledge apples!