Is The Bible Fiction?
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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2013
- "A Costco in Simi Valley found itself in a flap this week after a local pastor posted a photo on Twitter showing Bibles at the big-box store labeled as fiction. Caleb Kaltenbach, pastor of Discovery Church, came across the Bibles while shopping for a gift and tweeted the picture on Friday with the comment: "Costco has Bibles for sale under the genre of FICTION Hmmmm..." That didn't sit well with members of his congregation."* The Young Turks hosts Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian break it down.
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This same pastor would probably complain if the Bible was on the same shelf as the Quran or the Vedas. "HOW DARE THEY GROUP THE BIBLE IN WITH THOSE OBVIOUS FICTIONS?"
I seriously doubt that. Normally their placed in the religious section together anyway.
Well, I would have been offended if it was labeled non-fiction. I guess we can't make everyone happy.
The constitution guarantees religious freedom. Labeling the Bible as fact is intolerant of all non-christian religions. You have the right to be offended but you'd better get over it if you live in America.
Simon P McCullagh It could be labeled fact, books about homeopathy would be put in the fact section so screw it, put the bibles in the fact section if it makes them feel happy.
theatheistdebunker Putting homeopathy in the fact section isn't discriminating against someone's religion (although it is unfounded), putting the Bible in the fact section is. If you put the Bible in the fact section then the Koran has to go in there as well (if the constitution and freedom of religion is upheld). Since they fundamentally disagree with one another it holds that they both cannot be fact. You cannot forget civil liberties because religious people get offended. Let them get offended. If they were really being Christian they would be more offended by drone attacks, racism and police brutality. This is really a minor issue.
Simon P McCullagh I was making the point that since homeopathy books are already in the fact section we should put all religious books in the fact section if it makes them happy, it means nothing to me.
I would have brought my sharpie with me and blacked out the non part and left the Fiction part alone. It is just that. I am glad I got out of that clique which was christianity and live a much happier life now then I was as a christian.
BTW i want my NORSE faith to be put under Non-Fiction. . . Odin is the All-Father. .. you will not disrespect him by putting his legendary name under Fiction. . this is disrespect and will not be tolerated!!
* raises fist in anger *
I am sure Christians would have no problem with the Torah,Koran or The Book of the Dead being labeled fiction.All that aside Catholics,Baptist,and Mormons are always arguing if there was no agnostics or atheist these stories would be about those groups.
BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Twilight of the Gods has already occurred. Odin and Thor are dead.
***** Bull crap I got his Hammer,and on those ,"rare" nights under Thors Oak tree and I know that it is because the midgard serpent also told me lol. I was't even drunk(almost).
Most likely not human error, but then again so what?
I would like to see all religious books be labeled fiction, but my main gripe here is that THIS is considered a news worthy story, when for many years most religious material that wasn't of the Abrahamic religions, was and still is, classified in the "New Age" section, even when some of the religions *PREDATE* all three Abrahamic religions, and I have yet to see a news story about it yet.
It's a little comedy relief.. We need some of this in between the real news ;)
i think somebody in one of their warehouses did it intentionally. many years ago, i had a job where they had me make labels with the prices on them. i find it hard to believe that they only had two options of either fiction or non-fiction,
Well said, regarding the labeling of non-Abrahamic religions for so many years until recently. But that's the way it is with mainstream Christians in America: if they marginalize so-called pagan religions, they're just being realistic; whereas if anyone even makes the appearance of marginalizing Christianity (which is anything short of accepting Jesus Christ as one's lewd and savory), then one is targeting Christianity and waging war on them. Ahhh... double standards. Is it any coincidence that the GOP and Christianity fit each other like a hand in a glove?
Wrong! It should be under the "Mythology and Folklore" section.
I personally like that idea, because even though I'm not a christian and never will be, I do like some of the stories. Mythology in all forms is fascinating. ✌️🍎🐍
The bible should be listed as fiction because book stores and libraries should be consistent, not considerate.
Should we also list Greek Mythology as Greek Factology just so we don't piss off any Greeks?
Should Astrology be in the Science section too?
Should Scientology be in the non-batshit-crazy section too?
yeah seriously i would have made the argument " ok would you also like me to label greek mythology, chinese mythology, etc. etc. in fact category?" why is only your religion considered fact? that's very INTOLERANT OF YOU!" XD lets see them argue against that
TheGeckoNinja Oh, they would. For the most part the zealots most offended by this would be quickest to make Christianity out to be better than literally any other religion.
Telling somebody you think their beliefs are wrong is not intolerant.
Telling people they should fuck off and not shop in you store if they believe in their religion would be intolerant.
Costco didn't do this either. They labelled a product they were selling.
Either by design or mistake, why should it matter? If the staff were ALL Hindu they would by definition believe the bibel was fiction, but if they're willing to sell it, that is a sign of tolerance, regardless of labelling.
Ana is being way too politically correct.
You do NOT tell a bully they have a point, and the Christian right in America is a bully.
You can tell when they start calling the Pope "too liberal"
You're wrong! It is my belief that your belief that it is not intolerant to tell someone that their belief is wrong, is WRONG! It IS intolerant! Also, stop persecuting me!
@@mystyc0 Lol.
In my opinion it should be labelled as horror, not just fiction. Fiction is NOT accurate enough.
Costco owns. Great prices, great employees, and they treat those employees right. Shop at Costco and not only will you save money but you will be supporting ethical business!
don't forget free samples
Gotta pay for a Costco membership though, screw that. I'd be better off at Walmart lol.
No Ana, it's no intentional to make fun of them or anything like that, it's simply labeling it based upon the evidence that is available.
I agree with Cenk that this was probably human error, and I agree with Ana that if it WASN'T an error then it wasn't very nice, and I agree with both of them that since it probably was human error then this pastor should get over it.
I don't know why the pastor is so bent out of shape. Sure, it should have been labeled "mythology," but now we're just arguing semantics.
***** I like that, because it is a mature book.
***** Haha, the things in the bible are mature content matter. Stoning people, slaves, deaths. Not for little kids.
***** Assuming you're not the type liable of taking jack and the bean stock as literal truth, the bible is a good read. It's good to understand just how dangerous the dogma is.
***** What part about is not good? The part where God sends people to war in his name? Or the part that says homosexuality is an abomination? Or the part where it says don't cheat on your wife? Or the part that says don't sleep with a woman before you are married to her? Oh wait, what about the part that tells us to help our fellow man when they are in need, or the part that says don't steal or covet our neighbors wife? So in your eyes the opposite is true. It's ok to be gay, go to war, kill, cheat, steal, and sleep with your neighbor's wife as long as it's ok in the US? You people are retarded. This is why the world is so messed up now.
By the way,the reason why religious people don't like it at all when you make a comment about their religions,is because their religious ideals and theories are about as rigid as a house of cards. You put a bit of thought into religious beliefs and the whole thing crumbles.
You took the words from underneath my finger tips!!
not really. Try doing some religious philosophy, you will come up against a little known guy called Thomas Aquinas
KidGamer951 I believe in a afterlife and spirits and even a god, But all religions are simply Cults. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it. Christianity/Satanism,scientology,etc. They are all the same made up non sense. I love how people try to simplify things. This world has some corrupt/evil people in it and throughout history and even now religion has always been used to keep the masses ignorant and apathetic. If you can't see that then you are on the ignorant side and no thats not the "devil" talking...
KidGamer951 Or Augustine, Kierkegaard, Cusanus, Chesterton, Pascal and many others.
It is a fiction book! A Christian would call the Koran a fiction book. They would call Zeus a mythological god. So, why can't non-Christians call their book fiction without being labeled as intolerant?
Your argument is saying, if everyone thinks something then it must be true. Everything is based on ones perception. Since the majority accepts it then it must be automatically accepted by the minority but this isn't so. The Bible is a book that also needs to be deciphered because it can't be applied to society today.
While I believe the bible should be marked under fiction or at least mythology. It is clear that the tag was placed on another tag, leading me to believe that a costumer put it there as a joke. This is the definition of a non issue. If Costco had a problem with the bible they probably just wouldn't sell it.
Never ascribe to either malice or stupidity that which can be adequately explained by someone 'doing it for the lulz'.
I am Pagan and this is how much I care if a bookstore labels books on witchcraft, Wicca and Paganism as fiction, 0 prosent. I do not need anyone else to put my religion on a pedestal, as long as I am left alone to practice my faith in peace I am happy with that.
It is fiction, it talks about people slaying dragons and giants and wielding the powers of a god...sounds like Beowulf and other fiction. And if they want to label it as non-fiction then I say label Star Wars as non-fiction.
The most shocking thing about this story is the $14.99 price tag for the bible.
Why pay that amount of money when you can just steal them from churches or hotel rooms.
Or better yet, not owning one at all.
Technically calling it a mythology is correct - canon and mythology are technically the same thing. Like, definition-wise. Plus, if you're not a follower of a religion then it's mythology in the commonly used connotation, from the speaker's perspective.
PaddySnuffles very accurate statement :) definitive definitions are always good
Mollie Overington Thanks! :D
PaddySnuffles My local library has it shelved in the Culture and Mythology section. It's on the same shelf with Greek mythology books, Celtic Folklore, etc.
***** As it should be. Sounds like the people running your public library have a good head on their shoulders, especially when by Dewey Decimal standards it would actually be in the gigantic section of Religion reserved for stuff on Christianity (while _all_ other religions get squished together into a teeny tiny corner of the Religion section - it's utterly ridiculous). I'm studying to become a pubic library librarian, so it makes me particularly happy to hear of public libraries doing this (and that you visit yours enough to know where they keep it! ^_~)
PaddySnuffles Allegory?
Labels aside, if you believe that the bible is the word of god, then you shouldn't allow it to be SOLD for PROFIT.
Get your priorities right, Christians.
Yes, yes it is fiction.
Books are labeled to make it easier for people to find them, so obviously the Bible should be labeled as "religion" because that's what the people who buy it are looking for.
Any business looking to sell books would want to label them to make it easier for customers to find what they're looking for---so obviously this wasn't some sort of "corporate plot" or anything, it was just a mistake.
It's like finding a can of beans in the flour section of the grocery store, either an innocent mistake or a snarky move by an employee but not something to scream about.
This is equivalent to a homeopathy doctor being outraged over finding his bottles labelled as "placebo".
It should be labelled as "teen fiction"
"Is The Bible Fiction?" Of Course!
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@@JackSon-se2viyes it is fiction erthing in it is false and confusing
I love how people call greek mythology a mythology and not a religion. The only difference between greek mythology and christianity is that there's a bunch of people alive today that believe the bible is true. The stories are equally as improbable but one gets respected and acknowleged by the president and all of the government while the other gets dismissed as the misguided and primitive beliefs of an ancient civilization. I personally like greek mythology a lot better because the stories are great. I don't believe either of these myths but if you look at how different these two stories get treated it's a bit ridiculous.
People get offended when you question their beliefs because they feel that you are attacking their faith and therefor attacking them. The best way to turn someone into an atheist is to have them read the Bible. Cover to cover and not just some cherry picked versus they read in church. But MUCH better yet is to not try to turn anyone into anything. But never let someone's beliefs trample on someone else's rights. This is why we have the separation of church and state. wise men our founding fathers were.
When beliefs cause mass death, war, pain and ignorance, those beliefs must be cut.
Yep, I started reading it and continuously went to my mother for her to explain some parts to me. She got frustrated with me, like I was just suppose to except he turned some chick into salt for doing what ever freaking human would do, for drowning babies, for killing first borns. There were some moments where I thought even if he was real, I wouldn't want to worship him....he's an abusive parent.
Half of them owned slaves. Any wisdom from them is a lucky coincidence.
***** yes. i am chritsain, but i dont follow any church. especially catholic. catholic is bullshit. child rape is against 10 commandments, and pope supports it.
***** What do you mean in the past? They're still causing problems every day in real life. Trying to force teens to have babies they can't take care of, trying to keep gays from having rights, doing stuff like 9 11.
I don't know about Costco but I worked at "Borders Books and Music" and book locations was determined from headquarters. If a book comes in to the store labeled as fiction it goes to the fiction section. It wasn't determined by anyone at that store itself.
The real outrage is charging 14.99 for a centuries-old book. I can get the classics of Twain or Dickens on my Kindle for nothing. Who the hell still pays for the Bible?
A lot of people feel it isn't the same unless it's on paper. Especially older people, who are probably more likely to want to read the Bible anyway.
People so uneducated that they still believe in the Bible, I suppose.
I don't understand how anyone can think that supernatural things can fulfill the condition of being in existence. They can't. Supernatural = unreal = non-existent. Existence is defined as a distinguishable phenomenon in physical reality. Talking about gods as existing is not valid conversation. The fact that somebody is able to specify properties of such entity doesn't imply the possibility of existence. Any way you look at it. Supernatural things didn't qualify to be considered EXISTING.
'Undermine Christian beliefs?" If a sticker on a book undermines their beliefs then they need to get stronger beliefs. It's a sticker, first world problems.
Here is what I say. Labeling the bible fiction is really religiously tolerant. For if you would have to label a holy book as non-fiction then you would have several holy books preaching different incompatible versions of what happens all as non-fiction. This would make one big contradiction so if they label all holy books as fiction then they tolerate all religions equally.
The guy who labeled that Bible is awesome. Enough said.
I believe the Bible is suppose to be listed under Reference. When I started studying it, so long ago, the librarian lady told me to start in the reference section and that is where the Bible was. It may have changed since then.
How can it be reference? There is no evidence that the people who wrote it were all real, and several of the things said in the Bible are untrue. That's sounds like fiction or mythology, not reference.
It was under reference because a lot of people refer to it. Also, most religious texts are under reference because it is presumed to be historical and the Dewey Decimal System started when it was all very seriously accepted. I hope this helps.
Reference can be fiction too. Like plays, song books, or opinion essays.
labeling it "religion" would still make it fiction haha
There should be a rule of thumb if there is a book and there's a fucking dragon in it . Sorry it's FiCTION dude!
***** It's a big Monitor Lizard.
You people believe in dinosaurs but not dragons. Interesting.
DrJekyl30 Water Dragon? I would have one if I had the room for an enclosure.
Karl Slicher lol so would I, but that doesn't mean dragons never existed or even exist today. Tons of undiscovered things still out there today. Only time will tell.
I stand erected... it is true that Daenerys Targaryen heralds the coming of the age of Dragons!
Cenk you're an Atheist, you're not Agnostic. You deny there is something more, Agnostic acknowledges the fact that we simply can't know.
Since when is agnosticism mutually exclusive from atheism? One tends not to believe in unknown things.
He's both.
I must tell you that your stance on atheism is incorrect.
Atheism means that you don't believe there is a god (a theist, non theist)
Agnostisism means you don't know if there is a god (gnosis is knowing/knowledge)
You can be an Agnostic Atheist, an Agnostic theist, an gnostic atheist and an gnostic theist.
Atheism and Agnostisism are awnsering two different questions.
Morogonaiwolf Riiiight...I completely understand that however, I don't see where there's mutual exclusion between disbelief & the unknown. It's simply a matter of overlaying incredulity.
> Agnostic acknowledges the fact that we simply can't know.
You make it sound as if atheists wouldn't be able to.
The Bible is the most shoplifted book in America...
Good to see it in the right section at last though thank Athena...
Originally, TYT starts talking about the bible being called "fiction". Then, somehow, we start talking about much more evil Wal-Mart is because Costco is more progressive, therefore they're better people.
The fact that you have the Bible under fiction doesn't mean you don't tolerate it. If you didn't tolerate it, it would probably not be on sale lol.
Whoever did that is my hero.
Ana, even if it was done intentionally, we can't assume it was done intentionally for the purpose of making fun of and to annoy them. Maybe it was done intentionally because they believe it is Fiction, and labeled it as such?
I compare this pastor's experience to when I was a child, and I went over to my friend's house for Easter. Her, her mother, and I had set out the Easter presents for her younger siblings the night before. That night I learned.....there was no Easter bunny. Couldn't they have just pretended for me!?!?!
How would this pastor have reacted if he saw Śruti volumes or the Quran labeled as non fiction? I bet he would have had apoplexy.
"We're supposed to be living in an era of tolerance" correct, so try convincing some of your congregation to support lgbt rights and stop playing the victim card at a mislabelled bible.
quick summary: yes the bible is largely fiction
Naaaah....the whole Earth being flooded, or just being 6000yrs instead of the proven 4.57 billion yrs....how could the book, written by accient, ignorant flat-eathers possibly be fiction? What's next, Harry Potter being fiction? Haha!
Harry Potter is fiction ;)
So what did they re label it as, Crime, Fantasy or Horror?
Probably all three of them.
They aren't worried about it being in fiction because it colors the way THEY think about the bible. No, they are worried that since it is in the fiction section, they are losing out on their propaganda opportunities, because its location is a confirmation of them being wrong.
Well he's right. In libraries, bookstores, etc. Bibles and such are always under "religion/spirituality". It's either human error or one smart ass employee. The pastor is blowing this way out of proportion. It was either a mistake in which case, let it go, or it was the doing of a single employee. Turn the other cheek much? I'm not a Christian but I think this guy (Cenk is it?) is such an asshole when it comes to stuff like this. I mean aren't liberals supposed to be tolerant or something? No you do NOT have to accept Christianity but you do have to accept that not everyone believes what you do. What militant atheist never realize is that when they belittle everyone who doesn't share their point of view, they're doing just what the fundamentalist do! Thank goodness Ana is there to balance this mess out. She can at least see things from others' points of view. Cenk (I think that's his name) doesn't even try. When he goes off like that I just want to slap him.
I'm surprised you feel this way I thought he was spot on (for the most part). How was he belittling them? By pointing out their hypocrisy?
I kinda agree with you.
Is it me or does Ana Kasparian look like Counselor Deanna
Troi from Star trek the next generation?
Troy is a Greek broad, this one is Armenian, but yea... I feel you homie
Ana and Cenk, this is why I love your show and watch mainstream news more and more seldom. You guys not only find the core problem (about minimum wage), you also makes it fun to watch and worth thinking about. ...And bout the tagging? Well if it isn't fiction, you might consider tag it "religilous"? :O)
Seems rather obvious. It's a collection of fairy tales, folklore and fables that occasionally involves actual historical places and persons.
LMAO I'm sorry, I couldn't stop laughing. So the PASTER said that the books marked "Fiction" were bizarre...
...but the stories of the Talking Snake, Magic Apple, Senior Citizens splitting water, Senior Citizens building arcs, A man walking on water and turning watter into wine are perfectly non-bizarre! That's just NORMAL!
OK, if someone asks for the bible to be labeled "scientific", that is nonsense. But there should be a distingtion between books that are just there to entertain and those that people use as a guideline for life. That's the difference that should be made. Maybe not a perfect comparison, but it's something like as if another country published the US constitution under the label "fiction".
Where's the difficulty in labeling the bible "religious"? That would, by the way, be unquestionably correct.
Shop somewhere else if it offends you. What a complete waste of breath.
"I'm agnostic, I don't believe in any religion". Um..... that's called being an atheist.
uuuuh. no.
Ana says that she's Agnostic because Cenk does. She doesn't think for herself.
Baraa.arrabi Bicno No, it doesn't. Being agnostic means that you think that human reason is incapable of proving/disproving the existence of a god or any other metaphysical claims, especially those found in religion. This belief assigns no higher value of preference to either an athiestic or theistic point of view.
The sensitivity, perhaps, derives from the lack of empirical support of their beliefs. Let's be honest, unless you're a little touched, no singular person believes in their religious text 100 percent. There are something questionable things in all aspects of religion and religious people know this.
Isaac Asimov was right: "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." I wouldn't trust anyone who believes that the Bible is literally true.
I have a theory that someone intentionally makes the first frame of every TYT video an awkward face of Ana.
The bible is just as real as Harry Potter.
Anna used Agnosticism wrong. To disbelieve and dismiss any religion is pure Atheism. To not know about what deity exist, is Agnosticism. According to Oxford Dictionary, an Agnostic is; "a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither belief nor disbelief in God". How she claimed to be Agnostic, then say that she doesn't believe that there is any deity, dubbing her, Atheist. What I get from Oxford University's dictionary is, an Agnostic thinks that there is a possibility that there is something that is there, but can't know for sure.
Short answer, yes it is. Long answer, yes it really is fiction.
If this had been a book of Norse or Roman or Greek Mythology labeled as fiction, do you think he would have gotten upset? If it *had* be the Quran, or the Tanakh (Jewish holy book) labeled fiction, would he have been upset? How about the Bhagavata Purana? No. Ironically enough, it's only intolerant when it's *your* religion being made fun of, but other religions are fair game. Religion is fiction, all religion. Deal with it.
You're asking a question concerning whether he would be upset about what he would think about seeing a similar thing done with the Quaran or Tanakh. First you'd have to question if he even notice those books to begin with before you can start declaring him some kind of hypocrite. If he's the kind of person to notice stuff like that, he actually might react the same way or he might not. It's about degrees of separation.
If someone is killed in your town, are you all that concerned? If someone is killed next door to you, are you all that concerned? If someone is killed in your house, are you all that concerned?
Something else to keep in mind: There are things that I will and sometimes do get upset over, *but* I don't feel the need to lead the charge over it because I don't consider it my battle. That's another attitude he could have over the labels of the Quran or Tanakh. He could not like it, but not feel the need to say anything. That's not really indifference nor is it concern. It's picking your battles.
its total fucking out the ass full blown fiction
So the Same people who burn books they disagree with want to talk about tolerance? OK.
No. Christians don't do that.
lol. no of course they don't. they did not burn elvis or beatles records or heavy metal records or the koran or people who they believed were witches and scientists i must me thinking of another religion .
Yeah, you're thinking of the past. Is the USA racist because they owned slaves 150 years ago? No, of course not. That was then, this is now. Christians don't do any of the things you mentioned anymore.
what ? when exactly did the US stop being Racist? have you seen the prison statistics in this country or the make up of elected officials ? Old white men run this country now just like they did 150 years ago what exactly has changed? and i guess the burning of Harry potter books in 2002 was Ancient history? Are we living in Denial? You are a christian apologist of course you live in denial never mind you do not need answer that.
When was the last time you went outside your house? A black man runs the country. wake up for goodness sakes!
You have to understand, these Evangelicals aren't just convinced that the Bible is literal truth, but they are encouraged by their leaders from a young age to believe that they are being persecuted, and are very adept at finding anything to validate that view up to and including acting out to provoke a reaction.
As a child, I attended Evangelical youth groups and we were actively encouraged to make big scenes of showing our religion in public, then to see ourselves as being "persecuted" when we inevitably were censured for making big scenes in public. That's the kind of insanity that pervades the Evangelical persecution complex. Something like seeing a "Fiction" sticker on a Bible would make these people think Armageddon was just around the corner for sure because they're encouraged to catastrophize everything.
my bookstore had 50 shades of grey as a kids book
Just because something is fiction does not mean it is invalid or irrelevant. Some of the greatest books ever written are in the fiction section. I dare say most of the greatest works of literature are fiction.
Exactly - putting the Genocide Odyssey in the fiction section is, if anything, an insult to good fiction.
Great thought, beautifully delivered.
Doesn't change the fact that it is fiction.
Is the Bible fiction?
Does a 10 pound bag of flour make a really big biscuit?
I gotta admit - when I worked at a bookstore I once replaced the "Religion" label above the bibles with a "Fiction" label. It was right before I quit.
People aren't required to respect OR tolerate outmoded fantasy cults. Period.
is the bible fiction?
yes.
we move forward
Was it the talking snake, the unicorns or the guy who brought people back from the dead that might lead one to label this book as fiction? Or maybe it was the dragons. Or the guy who lived in a whale. Or a pan global flood. Or etc., etc., etc.
Did somebody say talking snakes? Yeah that qualifies as fiction to me. I fail to see a problem here.
I work at a Costco and the warehouses get them prelabeled. It wasn't done at the store level.
This story shows the religious self-righteous entitlement at its finest. I will add, that I am, too, deeply offended Mr Kaltenbach by the fact that the Bible and the Quran are not put in the 'fiction' aisle in most bookshops around the world.
It is correctly labeled...even in a correctly cataloged bookstore, religious and other mythical materials are found in the overall fiction section of the establishment.
Additionally, perfectly illustrates America's problems - far more so than money in politics......we have a significant portion of the population that is relatively affluent (making many times what workers in Europe or Asia make), and they're also totally detached from reality, all wrapped up in their particular religious myths,
I guess this particular bookstore lacked a "BULLSHIT" section.
Costco's slogan should be... "We're not Walmart..."
Well, virgin births ARE actually a thing... just not with humans. My favourite example is this one lizard species comprised solely of females.
So Mary was a lizard?
Koala Farts Maybe that's where the whole "lizard people" trope came from. ;P
PaddySnuffles I'm not sure that you can categorize an asexual species as one sex or another...
+PaddySnuffles Feminism?
"Christian belief" he says it himself. So if you have to believe in something - then it's not true, you don't know it's true, you just believe it to be. Therefore - fiction section, sorry buddy, many people believe Twilight is real that doesn't mean vampires are real and that it should go in the non-fiction section. Maybe costco don't have a religion section?
They're basically choosing to stay ignorant. So sad. Try talking to a Christian about other methods or science. lol They will do their best to not allow you to get one word out. They should be able to listen to you and keep their beliefs, but they themselves know that if they listen, their beliefs will be shattered.
I suddenly have an urge to go to book stores and put the bibles in the fiction section.
the person who did this is probably like "fuck my life, fuck my life, fuck my life"
I know this is totally unrelated to the content of this video, except perhaps that it has to do with labeling, but I worked in a library for a while (some of the best times I ever had in terms of work), and we used the Library of Congress call number system, as it's in every way superior to the Dewey Decimal System. For those who aren't aware, the LoC call# system uses, for the most part, two-letter codes on the first line--sometimes called the "prefix" on the call#--and I really enjoyed that afternoon when I realized that the books about the Bible (including the Bible itself) were categorized under--wait for it... wait for it...--BS! That's right! The first two letters that you see on the labels on books related to the Bible are BS!
It's being unfairly categorized. Even I question some of what the bible says, but it does have historical truths in it, not completely fiction.
Josh And the Amazing Spider Man comic books have "historical" facts and actual geographical locales presented (NYC) but it is still fictional.
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The Doomsday book has dragons, chimeras, hippogriffs, dogmen and dozens of other weird and wacky creatures mentioned in it. It's still classed as a historical source
Ian Warner I'm not too sure, but I think historical source doesn't mean historians believe it actually happened. The tales by Homer are a historical source too, but as far as I know it's agreed that the Battle with the Trojan Horse never happened.
The bible is a great book to tell us about what people thought and believed in the past, but I'm quite certain historians would not put much stock in anything that is only found in the bible. Basically, it would be anthropological history.
Herodotus is another example. It has everything from the plausible to the obtuse to the outright mythical in the one book. Its a historian's job to sort fact from fiction. The odd dragon or monoped means the source is less reliable but its not so unreliable that it may as well be on the shelf with Moll Flanders (which despite being fiction is a damn good insight into Georgian Crime and Punishment)
Come on...man walking on water, raised from the grave after 3 days (zombie), turn water into wine without grapes, Moses crossing the seas, ...
It's either fiction or fairy tails or bull-crap.
The bible contains the same ratio of fact to fiction as "Gone With the Wind".
The bigger question that Christians should be asking is, if the Bible is Gods word should it not be free of charge?
Spoiler Alert: YES!
The Bible isn't supposed to be taken as a historical textbook. I'm not the first to discuss this (Reza Aslan does a tremendous job, see his TYTInterviews video or buy his book) but watch my video 'Understanding God and Religion' if you want; even the notion of "God" itself is, in my take, misunderstood potentially even by those who scribed the words thousands of years ago - try to describe nothingness without making it into a thing, you can't because our language creates concepts even of the non conceptual. We're arguing over whether there really is a big bad wolf when it was only ever supposed to convey philosophy.
Yeah, well if anyone has proof that got exists, fuckin hurray, cause I'm still waiting to see that shit! Got proof?
bermudaguy1 Got Milk?
I think you're underestimating how superstitious people were in ancient times.
I would think that labeling it Fantasy would be more appropriate.
telling people their religion is fake is the easiest and oldest method to rustle some jimmies.
I obviously don't agree with the guy but I can imagine he's believes that if he DOES NOT defend God at every turn, that is if he saw this and did nothing, God would be upset with him.
Good point--we know from the bible that god is petty and sadistic.
Well, if you actually believe there IS a god, then yes, he is petty and cruel. But the more objective reality is that it's just simple human minds being cought up in their own fears and lack of basic knowledge about the world.
It's kind of like waking up one day and finding your favorite music filed under oldies. If he was 7 yo and found a copy of Rudolf The Red Nosed Reindeer filed under fiction he'd probably get the same reaction from his friends as he is getting now. Everyone has to grow up sometime and some people just need a little longer that's all.
+1 Cenks gusto!
Great report!
I do this when I go to Barns & Noble! Move the religious books to the fiction section is always fun.
1:10 The Holy Bible is not fiction... Revelation, the 7 headed dragon is a vision or dream from God that John had. Humans get visions and dreams from God, messages from God... God is God, he can do anything.
He can do anything? Can he fuck and sing at the same time? My God....GodofGod can do that + much more. It's fun to make up abilities for your imaginary superskydaddy....don't you think?
chris boyd the 7 headed dragon is not a literal dragon it's the roman empire (roman catholic church) , all the beast represented in the visions of daniel, john etc represent something they don't literally represent the animals that they say they are
Amen the Bible is the Word of the Creator GOD.
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Study Matthew 24 and John 3.
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The bible is the word of man.
The Gospel according to Matthew, the Gospel according to Mark, the Gospel according to god ... oh wait, that didn't happen, did it? All of the books of the bible were written by men. At best, they are men's accounts of what they believed a god had done, or proclaimed to them in dreams. At best, the bible is a book of hearsay.
The bible is a collection of books decided upon by committee. Do you believe that the books included in the bible are "the word of god" and yet those books and scriptures that are no longer included are suddenly not the word of god? How about the Infancy Gospel of St James, or the Epistle of Barnabas, or even the Didache?
Word of god, my arse.
I'm not Christian, but come on, respect other peoples faiths.
it's fiction.
Yaahyak they cant.They are obssesd with trashing on us.I am white and christian and they make fun of people my skin color and my faith.
yaahyak but it's fiction
The employees should have immediately apologized that the Torah and the Quran were not there right next to it.
lol best comment ever!
If the bible is fiction then I'm a rib-lady who talks to snakes and eats knowledge apples!