Penn Jillette: Reading the Bible (Or the Koran, Or the Torah) Will Make You an Atheist | Big Think
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- Reading the Bible (Or the Koran, Or the Torah) Will Make You an Atheist
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Author and magician Penn Jillette was asked to leave his Christian youth group by a pastor who told his parents: "He's no longer learning about the Bible from me. He is now converting everyone in the class to atheism." The reason? Jillette did his homework and was turned off by the hostilities of the text. It can be intimidating to come out as an atheist, especially in a religious community. Jillette found that having "out" atheist role models helped him feel unalone.
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PENN JILLETTE:
Penn Jillette is a cultural phenomenon as a solo personality and as half of the world-famous Emmy Award-winning magic duo Penn & Teller. His solo exposure is enormous: from Howard Stern to Glenn Beck to the Op-Ed pages of The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and the Los Angeles Times. He has appeared on Dancing with the Stars, MTV Cribs, and Chelsea Lately and hosted the NBC game show Identity. As part of Penn & Teller, he has appeared more than twenty times on David Letterman, as well as on several other TV shows, from The Simpsons and Friends to Top Chef and The View. He co-hosts the controversial series Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, which has been nominated for sixteen Emmy Awards. He is currently co-host of the Discovery Channel's Penn & Teller Tell a Lie and the author of God, No! and Presto!
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TRANSCRIPT:
Question: How did you become an atheist?
Penn Jillette: In my church group in Greenfield, Massachusetts at the age of about 16 or 17, I had made a deal with my mom and dad-I was very, very close to my mom and dad. I'm a real momma's boy and got along with them my whole life, hardly even rough periods. And they went to the Congregationalist church: The Church of the Covered Dish Supper in Greenfield, Massachusetts. Massachusetts is an old enough state that you could not charter a town without having a Congregationalist church and this was the first one in out town. I mean, from back 200 years ago.
And I made a deal with my mom and dad that I wouldn't have to go to church services Sunday morning if I went to youth group Sunday night. So we had a pastor-that minister at that church-that was fairly hip, you know, he was trying to deal with the children, play a Jim Morrison song once in a while. Played the Beatles. Far out! And he sincerely wanted us to do some inquiry into theological questions and I took it very seriously. I may have been the only in the youth group that did take it seriously and I read the Bible cover-to-cover and I think that anyone who is thinking about maybe being an atheist... if you read the Bible or the Koran or the Torah cover-to-cover I believe you will emerge from that as an atheist. I mean, you can read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, you can read God Is Not Great by Hitchens... but the Bible itself, will turn you atheist faster than anything.
Question: Why would reading the Bible make you an atheist?
Penn Jillette: I think because what we get told about the Bible is a lot of picking and choosing, when you see, you know, Lot's daughter gang raped and beaten, and the Lord being okay with that; when you actually read about Abraham being willing to kill his son, when you actually read that; when you read the insanity of the talking snake; when you read the hostility towards homosexuals, towards women, the celebration of slavery; when you read in context, that "thou shalt not kill" means only in your own tribe-I mean, there's no hint that it means humanity in general; that there's no sense of a shared humanity, it's all tribal; when you see a God that is jealous and insecure; when you see that there's contradictions that show that it was clearly written hundreds of years after the supposed fact and full of contradictions. I think that anybody... you know, it's like reading The Constitution of the United States of America. It's been... it's in English. You know, you don't need someone to hold your hand. Just pick it up and read it. Just read what the First Amendment says and then read what the Bible says. Going back to the source material is always the best.
When someone is trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda. So I read the Bible and then I read Bertrand Russell and I read a lot of other stuff because in the Greenfield public library the 900's of the Dewey Decimal System... I mean, one of the few people that still remembers it, the 900's are theology.
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Hi dear Kind Hearted Person, you have way too many necessitating antecedents. This causes you to be "atheist" - that will cause you to be "atheist," "I'm an atheist all the time, I lack belief of gods all the time, "we're all born atheists" "You're making the claim at least one deity exists" makes you "atheist." Can you open the door of your fridge and not become an "atheist"? Really, this silly juvenile little bastard for the last two days has been telling me "God can't exist because men need space suits to survive in outer space." "Read the Bible and you'll be atheist." No, when your side reads holy texts you become sanctimonious, sermonizing, pin headed, self rightous, *religious HYPOCRITES!*
Hello, sir, I dont think you mentioned the Koran in the video as you did in the title, Koran has absolutely no contradictions and every human who seeks for the truth knows it.. You just need to look and read and investigate things simply as you did for the Bible, you know many scientific facts that have been found about recently, they were mentioned in the Koran 1400 years ago, and Im saying it again just look for any contradictions, put teams aside and seek for the truth, like seriously seek for the truth and not just like being on the winning "team"' , and Im sure that would lead you directly to the fact that the Koran wasnt written by humans, unless you dont want to know the truth, you cant hide from it, neither you can hide it..
Ahmad : I only believe in god only and only if the same physical laws that affect me affect him .. what about that!!
@@Juka161 You're begging the question that God is physical. IF all things are material then God does not exist.
lahore2vancouver bruhh, fastest thing we discovered is light, that doesnt mean it is the fastest thing, sometime ago ppl didnt even know about radiations because they couldnt see them, but with the development of science they figuered it out later, now if u really think that science has found out about everything then ur really mistaken sir.. every scientist wouls say that light is the fastest thing "discovered", thats for the "flying horse" about everything else your 1000 yr and 50 thousand yr cont. the 50 thousand was a likening.. . Sir with everything u said and everything u still think about, we both know that Quran is 1400+ yrs old, now how can u not see that the scientific facts in it could not have been discovered then unless the god who created them who knew about them told about them ?? Explain that .....
"I would rather have questions that cannot be answered, than answers that cannot be questioned."
-Feynman
#metoo 😎👍🤳🍻🥂
That just sound silly.
@Kieran ! You will one day will he held to account for every time you take God's name in vain.You think God is an alien?You fool!
@Kieran ! Calling the Almighty God an Alien Warlord is showing God disrespect.You like many other have no Fear of God.What Ian saying is one day you will regret slandering his name.And you will hear God.
Kieran ! Couldn’t agree more it’s kinda crazy seeing people not only believe but WORSHIP nothing... they are wasting so much of the short time we have to live
Told my minister I was depressed. My minister told me to read the Bible more, or different parts of the scripture. I read it all, cover to cover and turned atheist. Im not depressed anymore 👍
Its all that we have Lindsey. Your minister isnt a special character among us, Jesus tore the veil so go to our Father. He can get us through anything and indeed what do we have without Him? Do we want God? He is our perfect Love. He is our Creator. He is our Closest. He is our Rock. He wants you. The understanding is there if you want it Lindsey. Also, if you want you can reach out to me
Gotta love how instead of trying to help he gave you homework isn't religion great
Good job... I feel religion is nothing more then a source of power by turning weak minded ppl into sheep. Every church I've ever been too has been hypocritical ...saying give us money and give to the poor...as the preacher drives a friggin 75000 bmw . Not to mention the 100000000 dollar "super churches" and that's not a hyperbole. You don't need a god to be a good person. All you need is a brain and an internal moral code
@@instrumentalbar7584 can you prove it?
@@instrumentalbar7584 God is not real.
I spent my childhood going to church and waiting to understand why everyone believed in God. At 17, I stopped going to church. In my 20s, I read the entire Bible to try and figure it out once and for all. Nothing. The older I get the more of an atheist I become. I mostly keep quiet about it. No reason to upset Mom.
In your effort to not upset your mom, you might very well end up distancing yourself from her, which might be *more* upsetting, especially if she doesn’t know the source of the distance. Just as plenty of moms have learned to love their gay and trans children, mom’s can learn to love their atheist children. In my own experience, the seeds of atheism had already been sown for my mom, and by discussing my atheism with her openly and without reservations not only did we develop a closer, more fulfilling relationship but she came to understand and accept her own atheism.
@@jpe1 It may not be as emotionally healthy, but trust me, keeping quiet is my best option.
@@daffodilunderhill7066 I trust you, and wish you the best! Hopefully things work out.
I find it hard as a man who’s lost faith to not tell the curious little children I know that God isn’t real, I choose to allow anyone who wishes to continue in innocent ignorance
@@daffodilunderhill7066 just as the religious congregate and support each other, so too can the faithless. All religion does is give people something greater than themselves to be a part of and look forward to. We can find a sense of self purpose in life even more so than others because we aren’t clinging to some hope of the afterlife, let your determination be to make the most of this one. May you love and be loved always
Penn was my inspiration when I became an atheist at 16. I was afraid what my family would think because literally my whole family were Christians. Eventually I told them and they were supportive to my pleasant surprise. It felt like a huge weight was lifted from my shoulders. Love you, Penn & Teller.
Right, so now you feel free to commit all the sins you want without consequences.
@@ralphlitton8521 No, because I have common sense to not do bad things.
@@ralphlitton8521 Even if we believed that we are free to commit all the "sins" we want without consequences, that doesn't mean that we actually WANT to commit any "sin" at all.
In the end, maybe we have more "faith" in humanity than you.
That's golden..."when someone's trying to interpret something for you, there is always an agenda"
@Ad Lockhorst Umm, did you watch this video?
One of the critical points Penn began with was his pastor encouraging critical thinking about the bible and his faith.
Oh, and you could also say that any time someone says something to you there is an agenda.
It's certainly worth remembering that someone interpreting information for you is filtering through their bias at the very least.
Part of learning how to communicate is figuring how to judge the character and biases of the other person, and granting their words the appropriate weight
@@jesusdiazzz6369
1: who said he killed his son?
2: Homosexuality is not a mental illness. I'd be more inclined to assign homophobia under the mental illness category. If sinning caused homosexuality, most of the human race would be gay. Also how can animals be gay if it's only caused by sinning?
I have never understood the vitriol some people have regarding homosexuality. To my knowledge, the bible doesn't once directly condemn homosexuality. Sure homosexuals can't have children as easily, but how bad is that really? I think we have enough people on this planet to compensate easily.
4: Thou shall not kill sure seems to get pretty ambiguous for what doesn't seem like it should be so complicated
5: If God is so secure why did he create mankind the crowning achievement of this Universe for the primary purpose of praising him?
6: Absolutely agree, I think it's bizarre how many people think they can fully grasp God's nature. People that claim to know exactly what God is and wants are people I avoid.
9: I don't believe keeping religious activities separate from government function is persecution or even bad. How would you feel if your child's school had organised prayers to Allah every morning?
The Christian refugees that helped found our nation sadly didn't seem to be great folks, and they became refugees because many people didn't want them around not because they were Christian but because they were downright unpleasant people.
Personally I think persecution by outsiders is the least of the worries for the Christian church. I'm far more concerned with things like hypocritical churches that revel in greed and sin and try to cloak it in evangelism. Or churches that focus on hate and judgement instead of serving God's will. I have never been comfortable with televangelists full of hubris and greed telling poor people to give them more money so they can buy lavish mansions and private jets.
I know churches are filled with people both good and bad, but when an entire church thoroughly embraces behavior completely against the teachings of their own savior, the bile rises. The evangelical prosperity gospel churches make me particularly angry.
I don't hate Christians, I just wish more of them followed Jesus teachings.
@@jesusdiazzz6369 I can see there are many things we will likely never agree on.
You say "Homosexuality is a mental illness because we are not naturally made to be attracted to men but to women."
The very definition of homosexuality is a person that is naturally attracted to the same sex.
If you want to consider homosexuality a sin that would be your choice.
If you want to persecute people who are homosexual, I would take great exception to such uncivilized behavior.
You say "God calls it an abomination".
Are you one of those folks that hears God's words directly, or is this another second or third hand account of God's word.
It's sure not evident in the bible, so from where did those words of God arise?
If you or people you love want to pray every every day in school or wherever, more power to you. My issue is with governmental sanctioned religious events.
It is the purview of the church to evangelize not our government.
Governmental employees are forbidden to lead in religious activities in part to protect religions from governmental interference.
Personally I think churches tend to go astray when they try to wield too much worldly power. The true word of God should stand under it's own power without any hint of intimidation threat or pressure.
@@stevewebber707 1.) You are wrong because people are not naturally gay but adapt it through sin. They were not naturally attracted to men since there is people who where not gay but later became gay.
www.google.com/search?q=homosexually&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS800US800&oq=homosexually+&aqs=chrome..69i57.4536j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Read the definition is does not say naturally. Homosexuality means that you like guys or same sex.
I do not hear God since I am still not saved but I here to inform you.
Churches should not wield on governmental power but the power of God.
@Feiner Fug Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate the knowledge.
Though I can't say reading the chapters inspires me to follow those rules to the letter.... Death penalty for adultery seems a bit too harsh to me.
I probably write too much in these forums, but I have time on my hands, and I occasionally do learn a new thing here and there ;)
"When someone's trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda."
You mean like atheists do?
tsc 701 nah he was talking about ur pastors
@@paulberent1896 too bad I'm agnostic. You guys are worse than secular people
tsc 701 same dude
tsc 701 not a atheist but also not a man blinded by faith
Don't ask too many questions. Because you'll expose them.
Narek Avetisyan nice one
@@hangedman821 no u
The irony..
@FLOWER Facts. Why can't people understand that concept?!?!
@El-Khalifa El-Hamdi Not all atheists care about evolution, etc. Also, atheism is merely the lack of belief in a God. That's it. Just because we don't know the answer to something doesn't mean the answer is automatically your particular god.
"Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure" - George Carlin (a very simple man).
Yes, confirmation bias can be deadly.
Never heard that one before... love it.
In various gods* And the vast majority of those myths are mutually exclusive.
Cagatay Ocals "I don't claim to know everything thing"
Atheist(most) don't claim to know there is no god but instead it is a personal belief that you don't believe in God. It is like this as an Atheist I would say "their could be in fact a God I just don't believe one exists because no evidence has ever shown to prove a God". Until God's existence has been proven I won't believe in it. By saying this I'm not saying that a god doesn't exist. I don't like the ways agnostic think because it doesn't require critical thinking but instead when someone asks you something you just say "no comment". When someone asks you if unicorns exist you *should* say "no I don't because no evidence has ever been found, but that doesn't mean that unicorns can't exist" but instead an agnostic would just say "maybe".
You should accept things that have evidence and reject things until there is evidence but agnostics don't do this and that's why I say there critical thinking skill are lacking.
Cagatay Ocal Because there is direct evidence against any possible deity being loveable or merciful. Disease, natural disasters, genetic defects, the fact that the vast majority of water is basically poisonous.
What religious people don't understand is that they can do whatever they want as well. Being a religious person or an atheist doesn't restrict your actions beyond what you decide should be restricted. You're way of thinking is akin to saying that murders don't happen because prison is a punishment.
Science has been providing evidence for god's non-existence for a LONG time. There's a reason that back in the day, god was responsible for damn near everything, and now has been reduced to 'what created the universe' and such. If we found out the cause of existence tomorrow, people would simply insert god into the next mystery.
Also, generally atheists will claim that there is no god in reference to the personal god as the very idea is asinine when subjected to scrutiny. As for a creator of some sort, nobody should assert anything.
What's funny is that him being asked to leave happened to me when I was 9. My mother was asked to not bring me to Sunday School because I asked to many questions and caused too much trouble as a result. LOL
Well, Christians do fear critical thinking.
Tony Tony Chopper No, we do'nt
Robert Leather Been there, man, you're not alone in that group. My mom was so embarrassed with the priest and scolded me all the way to our house while asking why I had to ask so much. That I was there to learn and that I should know to shut my mouth and accept was the priest was saying. I just looked at her and said; "WHAT?! Are you insane?!"
Joseph Bolton Love the irony of the use of the word "preachy" there. Plus your implied assumption I was disruptive and disrespectful is misguided at best and downright patronising at worse.
Joseph Bolton Plus I've spoken on a higher level later in life with priests and at no point did they attempt to justify their beliefs as anything more than faith based upon stories intended to inspire rather than necessarily being totally accurate. It's when you hear people say the Earth is 6000 years old and that people and dinosaurs were cohabitees, that's where I draw the line. That and trying to dictate terms of dogma onto other people. I find it funny how evangelicals condemn Islam's rules while preaching of the sins of homosexuality.
I go to a Christian School and think it is making me an atheist.
Ben Huba In 9th grade they made me question without realising it, by the end of that year I was an atheist
@@ashh8893 same this girl was giving a specch that god chose your path im like bruh your a human being you choose what you do god does not give a shit about you if anyone
Tell me why?
Alex Parrish Because logic and reasoning always beats blind faith
Jay N I never have had blind faith. That’s a complete lie atheist want you to believe. Tell me your top two points on why you don’t believe in god?
I blame, or rather thank, my love of science-fiction, especially old school ‘hard” Sci-fi, for my conversion to atheism. This happened around the age of 12 and at the time I attended Sunday school, church services, youth of the church, the whole 9 yards. I purposely decided to read the Bible in its entirety and that, more than anything, is what cemented my loss of faith. I have no regrets at all.
Well said man, Christians always say that if you read the Bible than you will regain faith in god, but people who say that have never read the Bible themselves and have just been told all the good about it but has never been told about all the f*cked up things about.
I'm sorry you didn't have good Bible teachers and believers that helped you to experience Jesus, Holy Spirit and God's glory, I have read the Bible 4 times and the more I read it and the more study history and philosophy finding answers the stronger my faith has become. I was able to understand why God doesn't stop evil, why bad things happen to good people, finding with those answers forgiveness, compassion, and true peace. It is only when I focus my eyes in only human bad behaviour when I can become depressed, then I look at Jesus and I find hope for humanity and again love, compassion, forgiveness and spiritual peace. Humanity has tried to live without God until now, not achieving complete peace, love and harmony, all efforts to achieve these have been futile as history continues to be written. I'm absolutely sure that achieving these altruistic goals will never be possible without humanity accepting Jesus in their hearts.
Of course many cultures before and even after Jesus have had and still altruistic moral values. I didn't say the opposite. Still, Jesus has been the only man that have claimed to be God, performed miracles, died and resurrected. If you study history there is enough proof of these facts, not to mention that there are still people being martyred for believing in Him.
@@luzdivina2706 So you saw his miracles first hand? Did you manage to get a selfie on your phone with him? I see no proof of what the bible claims and anybody can become a martyr if they are stupid enough. Religion in general is responsible for more and bloodier war than anything else in history.... FULL STOP
@@paulstrahan4670 men are responsible for making religion evil, no all of them, it starts with hate, even just hateful speech like yours. Because of Jesus I forgive you for making fun of my faith. The Bible says True and undefiled religion is to help orphans and widows on their need.
Two things made me into an atheist. Number one was reading all of the Old Testament. It alone didn't make me a confirmed atheist, but I pulled back from religion and began to question everything about it. Secondly, and this is what sealed the deal: I was stationed in the Army in Frankfurt, Germany, and since my own father was German, I began to read true accounts of survivors of the death camps. I couldn't stop reading them! If it was fiction, I never would've bothered, but somehow I thought I owed it to all these victims, Jew and Gentile, to read how they suffered and died. But the final nail in the coffin was when I read that some babies and toddlers didn't die from the gassing and yet were thrown alive into the raging furnaces. Where was God? Why didn't he do something? If he cared, but didn't have the power to stop it, then he wasn't much of a god. If he had the power, but just didn't care, then he was evil. The only excuse for God that I saw was that he simply didn't exist.
Now I'm an agnostic-atheist. I'm agnostic about the possibility of a higher being or force in the universe. but definitely atheist in regards to the Abrahamic God of Jews, Christians and Muslims.
I totally agree. If there was a god, why would he let innocent babies and children die in gas chambers during world war 2?? It makes me sick
blah Gomez LOL wow are you stupid
How does it make me stupid that a God would let all of this happen to his children
hawklord2001 So much this... and somethng about god working in mysterious ways.
Ever since the fall, mankind has done horrendous things and mankind continues to rebel against God. Just because God lets humanity do certain things, it doesn't mean he approves of them. God is all-knowing and gave humanity a chance through Jesus Christ. Please pray man for what God has blessed you with and may continue blessing you with. Faith in God is the first step.
"The road to atheism is littered with Bibles that have been read cover to cover." - Andrew L. Seidel
it's not the reading it's the act of doing.This world is so full of fools.
@@allangrant6349 Huh?
Very intelligent statement
It's more correct to say it's littered with ineffective application of the books that have been read cover-to-cover. They were read, but never applied.
Whether by starry-eyed initiates or jaded adherents thinking their salvation is in condemning others.
See @Lycanite's response below about reading Harry Potter. Or perhaps try reading a Kung Fu manual and see if it makes you a martial artist capable of defending yourself against an enemy.
One day you will choke on your own tongue.Be very careful on what you say as every word and deed we do won't go unpunished.
I read the bible cover to cover from 16-17. By the time I was finished, I was an agnostic and soon thereafter, I was an atheist. About 10 years later, I dated a Christian. She begged me to go to church. I read the Bible again. After an open disputation with a very insecure preacher, I was asked to leave. I told them it was not a problem. I was an atheist and knew more than he. I read it one more time. CONFIRMED!!! I'm an atheist.
I had the absolute SAME experience !
Source: trust me bro
That's great....just remember because you don't understand doesn't mean it not true. The more I read the more I believe. An d the fact the preacher seemed or was insecure doesn't mean you know more about the Bible...if you REALLY knew.,,you'd KNOW Christ is the Living Son of God.
@@donnaporter9865 The more I read the less I believe. The Christian Bible is a joke. If you think that the one preacher was the impetus for me not believing, not true. That occurred 11 years after I stopped believing. If you weren't so deluded, you'd stop believing, you'd understand.
@@bigkaris912no need for a source dumb S😂
Read the Bible when I was 14 cover to cover. Realized that religious leaders have severely misrepresented it which has more to do with Penn's atheism and his hatred for the Bible.
I was looking for this comment. Atheists intepreting literally the old testament word for word are just as bad as christians that do the same thing. They dont realize it but both are fanatics. The atheists are taking it to the the next level by replacing relegion with something else. The most common is science or nihilism and turn them into relegion.
@Shane Patrick The solution is simple. Every modern person must be able to wear multiple hats. That means that one must be able to have common sence and think with structured logic and critical thinking. Within everyone must exist a strict mathematical thinking alongside a spiritualness that represents everything that is unknown to the person. Without spiritualness we turn into cynics and cynicism turns into greed and today we are living its consequenses more than ever.
The bible and more specifically the old testament, which I assume you are refering to, carries deep knowledge and tradition of many thousands of years, even from the first civilizations of mesopotamia, which have passed the test of time. Even if you dont believe in god or disagree with them, you need to know those stories and understand them because they shaped the world as you know it. The new testament, at the very least, is a story of self sacrifice, a hard pill even for those that claim to believe in Jesus. Personally, the first time I read it for myself, it blew my mind and I completely disagree with you. Also, if you have the stomach, I suggest you read "The Brothers Karamazov". It will teach you more than anyone on the internet.
Penn just might find out the hard way, hope not.
@@-gearsgarage- The RC Church removed reincarnation from Christianity in the fourth century leaving everyone scratching their heads trying to understand why some of us are born crippled and poor and others healthy and rich. The Bible, religion and the Lord are three totally different things. My faith is in the Lord.
So they misinterpreted it but you didn’t?
"Oh, that's the Old Testament. It doesn't count anymore."
Still seems to matter to the Creationists. You can't start out with Jesus, just because it's the only part you're comfortable with.
Karl Addis of course it counts. It is how we know Jesus is who he claimed to be. Jesus said the Pslams and Prophets wrote about his coming. The OT is essential. I wouldn’t have giving my life to Jesus if I didn’t have the OT to look back on. In fact the apostles referred to the OT to make sense of it all. Shalom
@@onestepaway3232 How do you reconcile the endorsements of slavery, gang rape, genocide and brutality of the God of the Old Testament with the belief he is a loving God after Jesus arrived?
@@logan7243 There are no "endorsements" of any of those things. There's the acknowledgement that they happen, and historical record keeping of such, but it doesn't tell followers to "Go take slaves and rape them," or anything of the like.
@@logan7243 lols.. What a dumbass🤔
Thats a rule about cristianism: ask to many questions and you will be ask to leave.
There is a rule about every religion: ask questions they will ask you to leave, or they will kill you
Thats a rule about life . . .
Ask too many questions in:
Christianity
A Supermarket
A watch store
A gym
Your grandparents house . . .
and you'll be asked to leave.
_Christianism?_ LOL? Didn't.. didn't we have a name for Christianity already? The lengths...
+Nicholas, I left the church as a teenager. I don't have many questions for your average theist, anymore. What are your questions for atheists?
in Islam you ll be killed ...
Religion can't abide someone who can think and question for themselves as it falls apart so very quickly under the slightest scrutiny.
-Me, Just now. (And probably lots of other people throughout history)
Have you scrutinized your beliefs? I had and because of it I can easily defend my faith in Jesus.
this is the most intelligent and spot-on monologue i've ever heard anyone speak about the bible. i am NOT atheist, i am deeply spiritual and recently decided i wanted to read the bible with hopes of finding inspiration and understanding from direct experience. i finished genesis and am almost finished with exodus and every single thing penn says is what i feel, except for becoming atheist. reading the bible hasn't made me not believe in god, it's made me utterly disgusted that anyone would believe in THAT god, the god of the old testament. it's incredible that millions upon millions of people would fall into line like sheep and blindly adhere to such obvious patriarchal, homophobic, misogynist, controlling, fantatical bulls*&t. i thank GOD, truly, for my intelligence and ability to analyze. it's also unfortunate how many people deduce that because the old testament is such a load of crap that god must not be real. there are other options.
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." - Mark Twain
Derek Slade Christianity isn’t in the Bible but Christian is
The best cure for Islam is reading the Koran.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
@@Seekthetruth3000 the best cure for you is a condom
@@jceqecsxus2456 LOL
@Barthelemy Lazerlips - That's.......kind of an oxymoron and a contradiction all rolled into one, but Okay! If nobody understands the Bible, then we have no reason to invest any attention into it, right? Thanks for that.
When I was six I was sent to sunday school. We were told the biblical stories. Then we got to Cain and Abel. One killed the other and was banished to Nod, where "he took himself a wife." I pondered on that. So far, there were only four people on Earth. Adam, Eve and their two sons. So where did this wife come from? I asked. I was told to sit down and be quiet.
At that point, I stopped listening. Never looked back...
I still wondered about that.
Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters. A lot actually, it just doesn’t name out each of them. But in Genesis 5, when it goes into the genealogies of Adam, it says that he had other sons and daughters. So essentially Cain probably married one of his sisters, or one of his siblings’s offspring.
Fair Question though
One of the first commands of God was “go forth and multiply” So you can assume thats what they did, spread across the earth and have children
Evan Pete Sounds like a lot of incest
Imagine being in Penn's youth group, not knowing he'd become one of the most famous magicians of all time!
Magic is just sleight of hand while faith can move mountains.
@@jeffforsythe9514 it never has though
@@Bigshady843 Faith, however misplaced it can be, can metaphorically "move mountains" - a rat in an infamous 1950s test lasted 5 or so hours when put in a water tank before nearly drowning. When put in again later, it lasted over 12 hours, or the demonstratable story goes something like that. Point is, faith in yourself or that you can do it, etc. is very important. A good school student with no motivation or belief they can do well in a particular subject often doesn't do well, while the ones that do have faith that they can do it if they try.
I'm not defending believing in things based on faith, but the quote "Faith can move mountains" is true in at least one way.
You probably don't need to imagine. The odds are actually pretty good that someone you grew up with or went to the same school as or lived in the same town as grew up to become famous. If you do any sort of hobby that produces some famous people you'll probably be around some of them at some point. For example I like to bicycle and I've ridden with some people who rode in the Tour de France or set records and so on. Anybody who is famous for bicycling is going to spend a lot of time bicycling and they will ride with thousands of people so it's not exactly a miracle if they meet less famous people who also ride a lot.
@@jeffforsythe9514 - Faith does not move mountains. Rather, faith is believing you can move mountains even though you never have and neither has anybody else. Faith is belief without evidence or even against the evidence. In that sense faith has a lot of power, because it's not always easy to make people believe in ridiculous things.
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool."
- Mark Twain
I prefer Patton Oswald's sky cake. Not all religious people are stupid btw.
Polly Pockets Of course. Met so many intelligent religious people. You are correct.
...but man! Dense ones are superbly annoying and a big black spot to progress and reality.
Raag Amat I agree with Mark Twain in fact the bible says the samething
“Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools”
Romans 1:22 NIV
@@apologetics2785 describes christians perfectly.
Kit Cumbie atheism*
When I talk to my mum about the non sense that is the bible, she says "If one reads the bible without God's enlightenment, one will misunderstand everything."
There's just no way of arguing.
She is right. Without faith in the gospel Gods Word remains a sealed book. "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." (1 cor 2:14). There are also other reasons for not understanding passages, but enmity towards Gods testimony should be the main reason for seeing Gods word as mainly law/rules or "non sense". Its hard to understand or receive the message if we at the same time are busy resisting and fleeing God. But when the enmity has ceased and the soul rests in the testimony of the crucified and resurrected savior, Gods Son, Jesus Christ, one starts to be more receptive, and makes a proper distinction between law and gospel (which is more than just intellectual work, as it has to do with knowing God through Christ), and the idoltry of the mind stops (="i know better than God how things should be" or "a real God wouldnt come to us in the form of a rejected poor carpenters son" or viewing God as some kind of Hitler, not seeing Gods amazing selfsacrificing love through Jesus Christ). Instead of resisting one needs to be convicted of sin and surrender to (or rather flee to) Gods love in Jesus Christ. Suddenly the bible isnt just a difficult book, but words of the living God, and the pieces of the puzzle starts to make sense. Suddenly one sees God in Jesus Christ, and God as love and not as some kind of unrighteus Judge, suddenly one admits sin as sin, and find comfort in the gospel. Even religious people can have problem with all this and sometimes the resistance against God is most severe in religious people as they can be proud before God and find comfort in their religious activites rather than in the cross and the empty tomb, "Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." (2 cor 3:12-18).
Those who wear blinkers shall never see the light of the truth.
My mother was the same.
volkswin And i thought believers were crazy when i wasnt a believer, and when i became a believer people who used to flock around me was like "he has become one of them". Obviously there are some kind of war going on behind the curtains
internetsurfer777 Being crucified to resurrect 3 days later is not much compared to hell for all eternity.
It would have been more efficient to not create a hell in the very first place.
Throwing someone to hel for evcer and ever for not obeying, is not what i would call free will.
Its the very contrary.
Its like me saying "Sign this contract, or i will shoot you!"
You may not sign the contract (free will?), but you will be killed afterwards for doing so.
This is not what id call an all loving god.
This is what we call a mafia boss. And Allah is even worse.
At the time when monotheistic people were stoning adulterers, there were religions in asia, that were indeed peaceful and caring.
Not like yahwe or allah.
Soundcomplex Jesus death was not just any other torture killing of some martyr. The suffering of Jesus includes more components, like
a) the God the eternal Son became like us, took on human nature, out of free will, this suffering or humiliation starts at the moment of incarnation. He came down from the seat of God (Joh 8:42) from the high position of glory (Joh 17:5)
b) he didnt have to do this. we are just born becuase of reproduction. he was born into the world to save it.
c) when he came to the world he avoided using the might and power he has all the time since he is God almighty.. and not only did he avoid to use it all the time, he put it aside to be like us, to be in our condition,
d) God is not under the law (Gal 4:4), under the commandments, since he is the Lawgiver, but God the Son willingly put himself under the law, under the commandments, so that there will be one man who will keep the law. This way everyone who dies trusting in his free gift is declared holy in the eyes of God and "inherit" the kingdom of God, that is, receive it AS IF we deserve it. We depend on his righteousness, which could only be ours if he left his high position to place himself under the law.
e) during life he was tempted, though God the Son has no reason to be in a place where he gets tempted, but he came to us, kept the law and didnt fall into any sin (Joh 9:46; Heb 4:15; Heb 9:14)
f) he wasnt ever forced to die the most shameful death. he gave his own life out of free will (joh 10:18). martyrs die because cruel people capture them or because they endure persecution unto death for something they believe in. Gods Son on the other hand said he gave his own life out of free will, not for his own sake or for a good cause, but for sinners, yes his own enemies (Rom 5:6-8).
So its an act of free will and love, not somethign he had to do for his own sake or was forced to do. Moreover:
g) his suffering didnt start at the crucifiction moment, but at his incarnation, and followed by his temptations, the enmity he met, the very intense affliction and anguish he had in ghetsemany, when his pain was so great he showed signs of ematidrosis, a condition in some people suffering extreme levels of stress, when blood comes out together with sweat. While doing this he was also obeying God the Father, and prayed "your will be done, not mine".
h) though he could be on the almighty throne in heaven, he was down here on earth, crying, sweating, having ungodly people dress him in a crown of thorns, hit him and mock him, giving him so harsh brutal treatment with whipping etc that he died much earlier than people usually died during crucifictions (Mark 15:44-45; Joh 19:33)
i) at the last hours the entire city had turned against him, his discipled was scared and fled, the people who walked by the site mocked him, the priests mocked him, the roman soldiers mocked him, even the thieves mocked him.
j) and yet the things described so far is nothing compared to the greatest of pains, and the aim of all this, that he was to die in the place of sinners. this means the agony at the cross was so great because he experienced Gods wrath over sin that he cried out "My God My God why have you forsaken me". He was not experienced physical pain and horror and humiliation but actually experiencing Gods wrath over sin, that means, not just one sin, or all sins in one human, but every sin for every human. Jesus Christ "becoming a curse for us"(Gal 3:13).
Heaven will be filled with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, evildoers, homosexuals, sexual immoral people, murderers, wretch people of all kind.. because Jesus Christ is their righteousness. "God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ" (2 Cor 5:19). THe guys who end up in hell are those who reject this free gift. They prefer a life in sin, pride, idolatry.
The condition: Death is not a natural thing. Death is unnatural. Humans were created to live forever. People die because there is sin in the world, because we are all sinners (Rom 6:23; Eph 2).
No one enherits the kingdom of God by "obeying". We enherit the kingdom of God by receiving a gift which is given to us, in repentful hearts, rejoicing over Gods free gift, and as a fruit of this faith we start to obey God and become more and more sanctified.
Your image "sign this paper or ill shoot you" does not work. Grace and saving faith has does not build on fear only, but of thankfulness, assurance, joy, peace, a new life. If we study the Bible this would be a more proper image Someone comes to a criminal and says: "You have commited awful crimes all your life and we can prove it by reading the law for you, you are about to be brought before the Judge, but the Judge has a big heart, he has both payed your debts and payed for the best Lawyer in the country who will speak for you, and we know that this Judge is not a liar but a honest man who never lies, and he is full of love and mercy - Now stop burning down the house of the Judge, stop spitting on the contract with the Lawyer, stop committing new crimes, but instead rejoice! be glad! change your ways, for you dont have to suffer your juste punishment for your crimes"
I also believe that the Bible is the best argument for atheism. I have noticed that those of us who know the Bible best are also atheists.
i became an atheist after reading it for myself at 16 instead of what was read to me at church
many think the antichirst will bible pretty well, its a funny idea to me for some reason
Very true. I also believe the modern christian is a good argument for atheism. I myself choose to believe in God and Jesus and that is my choice. When I was a child my parents brain washed me (as is the case with most modern Christians) into believing their religion. In my teens I became rebellious and lost my faith. As I grew older I got curious and finally read the bible for myself. I CHOSE to believe what I believe today and I feel more in touch with the true message behind it because of that. I think what most people don't understand is that it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you care about each other. *****, I don't know you, but I respect you and your beliefs and based on the lack of hate in your comment I feel you respect mine. Is that so hard? Why can't people just accept and move on?
spyke777 Do you read the Bible the Koran is the last divine books and not Mahrfmthel Rah and the Gospel
spyke777
you don't choose what you believe you believe what you believe, you can't choose what you believe,
I will never understand people that can read religious texts and still be religious.
read the Quran
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I can never understand people who would read about natural selection, and still be athiests
@@solomonx2061 You don't understand much. My dog's morning shit is brighter than you!
The ad before this video was for israel biblical studies
Shalom...my name is Aure
Mine was for a german beer brand where they said something like:
"At least something you can believe in"
Oddly fitting as well
@@schrodingerskatze6192 Brilliant! Love it! Cheers
What is Israel?
It's a tailored commercial for the viewer. That being YOU.
I read Harry Potter cover to cover and now I am a wizard!
I knew a wizard once, he turned me into a newt
Don't look at me like that! I got better :P
God if only it worked like that!
You're a wizard Harry
shouldn't the logic be: I read Harry Potter cover to cover and now I am NOT a wizard!? xD
MadGameCowe The rest of this person's implied comment is /s (aka sarcasm intended).
Heh, yeah. I started studying Art History and as Christian art is very prevalent I decided to read the bible cover to cover. When I was done I was like: "What the fuck was that? How can ANYBODY subscribe to that?"
Bär Honigfeld Me too! I didn't consider myself a christian before reading the bible but still I held the book in some sort of reverence. Only three-four pages in, my mind was going "WTFWTFWTFWTF? There are people who take this seriously??". Took me three months to finish the whole thing.
Very very few people ever read it cover to cover. I think people tend to stick to a religion because of the culture heritage and tradition. We all have familial and social rituals, some stem from religion.
***** take your meds man... its going to be alright
So it's the latter, why have it? I don't understand when people are so expressive about being atheist, I understand for Muslims, Hindus, Christians etc because there's a cultural, social aspect to religion but you and I don't have atheist meetings in a nonreligious building to read from our mundane book and discus how we believe the universe was created (though I do like to think about that from time to time) so there's no real bond of seeing another atheist as there is for other religious beliefs
***** I've been to church and mosque many times and have only come across nice people. I don't deny dogma exists but to fight it with more dogma isn't going to solve anything ask Stalin
When someone tries to interpret something to you there is always an agenda
I remember when I was researching arguments against religion when I was a Christian, pen and tellers bullshit episode on religion took a part in helping me realize things. I'll always appreciate penn and teller for that
Nice, getting your sources from comedians instead of theologians and philosophers is always a great idea 👍
@@benlee5039 nice one
@@benlee5039 Are you saying that their research is incorrect? If so please feel free to show me otherwise with factual information. Just because they are comedians doesn't mean they are not intelligent or informed.
@@paulstrahan4670 I never said that they were unintelligent or uninformed, I'm simply stating that getting religious information from comedians isn't as reliable as getting it from those who spend thousands of dollars to get a degree in religious studies. Im not going to go into the details of if God is real or not, because I can write a whole book on it and not change your mind on it, but looking at both sides of the argument is generally a good idea and not being biased.
@@benjaelee What's the difference in some of the information given when you compare common folk to religious enthusiasts and historians? If you see a discrepancy, that discrepancy may be wrong but that doesn't mean everything that person says is anyway. Check everything yourself.
I always questioned the rationale behind worshipping a god who was a selfish dictator that murdered innocent children and animals simply to display his power
@trueman mann what about god testing abraham to kill isaac
truman mann: since it is YOU christians who claim innocence for children please, please tell me what crime those children of villages slaughtered by the will of god did to deserve it and how are they any different from any child today? And YES, I've read the bible cover to cover, several times.
trueman mann: What you said about Abraham and his son made zero, nada, sense. What justification could there EVER be for a god to ask someone to kill their own child? And why? Doesn't your "god" already know what Abraham was going to do? Why the testing? Testing is done when one DOESN'T know the answer.
And that's just the tip of the killing berg.
If people thought of God that way, then it would be irrational, but people don't think of God that way.
Jesus, man, get a clue.
Oooh the bible. The book where Moses takes the ten comandments including "thou shalt not kill" and 10 minutes later kills 3.000 israelites because they made a golden ox. And god was pleased.
Yeah,i remember the first time i read it cover to cover.
I felt like it was a bad joke,a prank. Like someone had replaced my book of god's love with a different book.
It was an interesting day that day...
Trying to read it as nothing more than a rule book results only in legalism.
Yeh, it's a pretty sad story, God just rescued them and then they completely shove it in his face, no one looks good in that story and I'm sorry that God's love looked so distant, but I don't think God forgot it. 3,000 lives lost on the day the manifestation of God as fire fell on Mt Sinai, but when God manifested himself as fire in the New Testament (Acts 2) 3,000 souls are saved... Interesting, or maybe, you know, it could just be a coincidence...
@@justinwright1745 But a Just God implies that he will bring Justice for wrongdoing, right? And is Hell punishment for people who don't want to be with God, or is it where they actually want to be? If people don't want to spend eternity with him, why would he force them to be in a place where he is eternally there?
@@jacobcashmore9508 So is God is clearly capricious as hell. He just sends them to hell and welp just changed it later. God is an idiot if he is all powerful and can't do better than this.
@@jacobcashmore9508 So he brings Justice to those wrongdoing huh? Like those millions of children who die before the age of five, or the ones that get molested? Did they deserve that. How is me not wanted to spend eternity on my knees with a God who isn't worthy of my respect deserving of eternity in torture. I'm all for paying for my wrongdoings, but there's no way what I do in 80 years is going to be worth eternity of punishment. That is the most ridiculously stupid story ever conceived.
I read the Bible and became an atheist afterwards.
Thank-you for that! I admire that even through all your doubts you still went diligently to Youth Group.
It’s been quite the opposite with my mother. She spent most of her life searching for something then around ten years ago became Evangelical Christian. I can’t take it - some of the things she says are so hurtful.
One example is around my son who has a seizure disorder. She tells me it’s demonic and that I need to find an exorcist. All her logic, compassion, and time for her grandchildren - gone.
She spends all her time alone with her Bible and that’s how she likes it.
Nicolle Olafson is it evangelical or evil Angelical.
You need to find another mother. Anyone who hurts their family because of religion isn't worth having around!
Look up Gene kim
@@MrKit9 We should honor our father and mothet no matter what.
My own father who grew up in a Catholic household and went to Catholic school but who is now non-religious... He had no idea about the horror stories in the Bible. They really do just pick and choose the best stuff and ignore the horror parts like it was never written. He looked up some of the stuff I told him... And he was shocked that he never knew any of this and that his Catholic School just ignored it.
I've had people accuse me of lying when I've told them about the "not peace but a sword" quote.
Mounted Dragoon lol yeah. How about the one where the woman has to have her hand cut off for grabbing a dude's dick during a fight? That's a real Gem. They really just don't know their own stories.
I try to visualize that, it's just so bizarre.
Mounted Dragoon yep, and a perfect all-knowing All-Seeing all loving omniscient omnipotent creature decided to tell a dude to write that shit down.... Because you know... That is very important to know that women shouldn't grab dudes by the dick when they're fighting... Super important.
hahah jajaj im the devil God pride and wrath king king of the universe earth and hell im happy 4 u
This is what confused me as a kid. "Thall shall not kill" then god tells David to aradicate a people. K
If that threw you for a loop you should check out Numbers 31. Pay attention to the part where 32 people are sacrificed as a part of the "heave offering" it's verses 40-41.
Bryan G. yep. Sacrificing people sounds like murder and killing. So this throws me off even more.
@Bryan G, why do you say that's a human sacrifice? The verses you cite were part of an itemized list of spoil plundered from the Mideanites, which included 32 men given to the Levite tribe as tribute -- the word used was "mekhec", translated as "tribute" or "tax". (The Levites were the tribe of priests who didn't fight in Moses' wars, but who were still promised a portion of the spoils. Individual Levites were able to claim slaves for themselves as spoils of war, and the 32 you mentioned were given as a tribute to God and were retained by the tribe through Eleazar the high priest).
"...16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32. Moses gave the tribute to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part, as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 31: 40-41)
If you're going to cite the Bible, you should at least get it right.
btw, the word is spelled "eradicate".
I said to check out the chapter Numbers 31 and pointed out the verses that said what was given to the priests.
You stated,"The verses you cite were part of an itemized list of spoil plundered from the Mideanites, which included 32 *men* given to the Levite tribe as tribute" None of them were men... none. Numbers 31: 35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of *women* that had not known man by lying with him. "If you're going to cite the Bible, you should at least get it right." You see what you did there? Right??
"btw, the word is spelled "eradicate"."
I am guessing you were trying to take a jab at me but were so foaming at the mouth you didn't even realize I didn't say that. Is that correct?
If you want to understand my point of view a little more perhaps you should just check it out for yourself. I am not alone in this opinion and it it pretty easy to find online. Why defer to the "just go look it up for yourself"? You don't appear to be able keep track of what you yourself are saying, much less what I am. I do realize it is the equivalent of telling someone to go read the bible and to do some personal research themselves but I won't argue with someone who doesn't understand what they themselves are saying half the time. Best of luck to you.
@@DaveGIS123 BTW, if you're American, punctuation goes INSIDE quote marks, and inside the parenthesis if it contains a complete sentence.
“The pastor would let me talk to him about this stuff.” Yeah, most wouldn’t. Like my English professor who would tell us what a passage meant instead of letting us interpret it for ourselves.
Ask me any question concerning creation and if you have an open mind I probably have the answer.
@@jeffforsythe9514 Cool! I have looked for creationists who were willing and able to discuss their beliefs and defend them scientifically, but they are hard to come by. You sound like you are one of them, which is exciting. Here are my first two questions about creation:
1. Are you claiming Young Earth Creationism or Old Earth Creationism?
2. Do you claim that life was created ex nihilo as described in the Bible, or do you believe that the scientific evidence is accurate but God was behind all of it? Said differently, did God magic animals into existence or did he direct the process of evolution in order to produce the diversity of life we see today?
@@davidstorrs All your questions can be answered at falundafa, my spiritual Master directed me to point the Way to the Way but not to pretend to be the Master, it is His Divine energy that can unlock your wisdom, not me, good luck...........falundafa
@@jeffforsythe9514 Ah, rats. When you claimed that "if you have an open mind **I** probably have the answer" (emphasis added) then I was really hoping you were being honest, but nope. You're another of those creationists who claims to be able to justify his beliefs but can't and either deflects or points to someone else. Oh well. Looks like my streak of not being able to find honest and educated creationists remains unbroken.
leaving religion gave me my whole life to do what i want with. i'm happier than ever. many many people are leaving their religions. the world is changing.
I’m seriously happy for you
I read my Quran fully and VOILA, left islam... Praise.... uh...... um..... The void!
Congrats. You are a born again rationalist.
Good for you Sir! :)
Appreciate it folks, I feel my I.Q building by the day!
Yeah right.. Tell me what part made you doubt it?
***** Maybe it was the part where it says that semen comes from between a man's backbone and his ribs.
'When someone tries to interpret something "for you", they ALWAYS have an agenda.'
mlg4035 Good or bad agenda?
This is an interpretation
There are those who can see the error in our thinking and wish to help us in our understanding. Isn't that what we had when we went to school? Yet, I do believe that for most of us, we wish to figure things out ourselves and reject the help that some try to give us. Our free will causes us to often learn the hard way. I do believe we each must learn to be discerning here. Most of us leave out the greatest element that allows us to discern as we were designed.
Interpretation means the action of explaining the meaning of something. Grow a brain bro and follow GOD
@@Unprofitable. Yes it does mean that, and the point is still valid. People coming to you trying to explain religion to you _obviously_ have an agenda. Now stop shoving your religion down people's throats, not cool
The thing he said that resonates with me the most was that anyone interpreting something for you has an agenda (and a bias as well)
I was an atheist read all the holy books and now I’m a Christian lol
Stop the cap
Good for you man!
Fantastic news.
@@confirmed1778 Well you never know do you
@@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG lol sure
I became an atheist by reading the bible too. I recommend that all Christians ACTUALLY read the bible. There is a difference between reading the bible and ACTUALLY reading the bible. The difference is one requires you to critically think.
Zzzzzz... It is scary as hell to think critically,safer to believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy until parents tell you the truth and you are heart broken after that
Lol
We do that is why we are Christians. History has disproven this idea.
Religion forbids critical thinking tho sadly.
bulldogsbob do you read leviticus and deuteronomy regurarly? Or just the gospels?
Going to catholic school for elementary and middle school made me an atheist lol
Same. Makes it easier too haha
Thats like saying taking math lessons made You stop believing in math!( cus you didnt understand it or had a evil strickt teacher) Maby you should stop going to school and learn by yourself
So true LOL
I went to a catholic school, and seeing how much stupid shit they talked about there, I re-thought my concept of Christianity, and my faith grew stronger than ever, much stronger than those superstitious hypocrites.
Some people give up, others patiently look around for answers.
For real
I too became an atheist upon finishing reading the bible. It started for me when we had Religious Instruction for one year in high school. I asked the teacher a few questions which she found hard to explain. Then one day she told me, don't worry about the old testament, just read the new testament. That was the spark right there, it was like, why would you ignore half of your book?
I'm sorry you didn't have good Bible teachers and believers that helped you to experience Jesus, Holy Spirit and God's glory, I have read the Bible 4 times and the more I read it and the more study history and philosophy finding answers to the cruel situations you describe from the Old Testament the stronger my faith has become. I was able to understand why God doesn't stop evil, why bad things happen to good people, finding with those answers forgiveness, compassion, and true peace. It is only when I focus my eyes in only human bad behaviour when I can become depressed, then I look at Jesus and I find hope for humanity and again love, compassion, forgiveness and spiritual peace. Humanity has tried to live without God until now, not achieving complete peace, love and harmony, all efforts to achieve these have been futile as history continues to be written. I'm absolutely sure that achieving these altruistic goals will never be possible without humanity accepting Jesus in their hearts.
@@luzdivina2706 Sorry Vicky, but you don't know my history. I have read the bible multiple times, done bible study, read plenty of religious books, and watched various videos from believers. But I can't find any evidence that it's true, so my default position is I'll believe it when someone can present some evidence, good evidence, not just empty arguments, and no quotes from the bible, remember I've read it, any quote anyone makes will not make a difference.
@@SalisburyKarateClub you are correct, I don't know your history, I wouldn't even try to assume what it is. Could you share what kind of true evidence you tried to find? Perhaps it is within the evidence I found and I will happily share it with you!
@@luzdivina2706 Evidence is something that can be tested, the test needs to do various things, it needs to be falsifiable, next it needs to be repeatable, then it needs to be validated, and lastly it needs to be predictive.
@@SalisburyKarateClub My question was what type of evidence you are looking for? Are you looking for scientific, historic or spiritual? Why would you assume that I don't know the meaning of evidence? In any case, it's okay I don't take things personal. While in my research I found that there is not evidence for evolution and it remains a theory, I have found hundreds of scientists, historians, mathematicians, philosophers that have found evidence for design and creation. Here are some of them.
My path to atheism involved reading the Christian bible several times cover-to-cover. I wasn't looking to "become" an atheist, perhaps that's why it took me several tries :)
If God does not exist and you are an atheist, big deal, nothing lost and nothing gained but if there is a god and you are an atheist, God will respect your choice and will neither protect you nor give you His Blessings. In my opinion only a lost soul would then choose to be an atheist, sorry. Good luck.
@@jeffforsythe9514 I disagree. The bible jus5 doesn’t make sense. And if God was all powerful then why doesn’t he just come down to Earth and prove that he exists
@@maxymaxy32 The reason that you are here is to prove yourself to Him, not the other way around. We fell here from Heaven. How are you doing so far, making demands of God instead of just being good, what's so bad?
@@jeffforsythe9514 if that’s what you believe then I can’t stop you but demons and God don’t exist, at least not 5he one in the crazy bible
@@maxymaxy32 He has but man in its fallen state fell away as soon as he left. There were even people who rebelled against God while he was with us. So it is he left us his word for you to believe or not.
I remember going to Bible School and none of the Biblical teachings made a lick of sense to me; yet I realized I was a kid and since all the adults were taking it seriously, I just figured I was simply missing something. I was wrong. Religion actually is the horseshit I'd imagined it to be.
Fabulously accurate Pen!
Same here. forced into bible studies on the weekend till i was 13 then i had enough. This kid that was the same age as me would join in the study. 6 months later saw him skating by, i waved and said whats up. He rode past... thought he didnt hear me.
The second time he was walking, went to shake his hand and greet and he pertended like i was a ghost lol. fucking cults
Riff McClavin yep!
@@RA82828 I wouldn't say religious beliefs balance the population, I would say they create a crisis of possible overpopulation. Almost all the Christians say the same thing, "Be fruitful and multiply." The Christian coalition is responsible for stamping out possible safe sex practices such as condoms, Catholicism etc. If anything, religious ideologies breeds overpopulation, not a population balance.
Why do you think Mormons in general have such large families. I got sucked into it by having five children, paying tithes and giving up my time. Organized religion is the spawn of Satan. @@nunisthathigh4825
My teacher said that doing bad things for good reasons is still bad.
An example she gave was, "Mark wrote out the answers to the test on his hand, although Mark has a good reason, it's still bad to cheat on a test." then I said, "So Mark can't cheat but God can kill?" I then followed with, "God flooded the Earth to kill all the living things on Earth, except Noah and the animals." "God had good intentions but what he did was still bad." then my teacher didn't acknowledge me anymore.
But who has the authority? People don't. God does because the universe is His.
@@eltigre249 Prove your god or shut the fuck up!
@@MrKit9 yeah tell that religtard!!whoooo!!!😎😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😈🔥🔥
@@eltigre249 yeah buddy that is still murder
A nonexistent god definitely has no authority over anything.
Science flies men to the moon...
Religion flies men into tall buildings.
If you truly understand Christianity you would know that it is not founded in a religion but in a relationship. This is something that so many that follow Christianity miss. The relationship can not be rooted only in the BIBLE. You must include the Spirit of God to be present to guide you, also.
@@robadams1506 I come from religious parents and nothing can convince me of a special skydaddy who watches over us. He is said to be good and loving, yet visits suffering and misery on a size and scale that puts serial murderers and rapists to shame. If he is real, he either doesnt care to help, or cant help. I've lost 3 family members who were relatively young and no amount of prayer was worth a shit. god doesnt exist except in the minds of those who dont want to know the truth... we are alone.
@@robadams1506 true
@@csbaca1 Religions turn me off, also. It is only through the Spirit of God that we can apply our faith as Christ did. The only thing that will truly convince any of us is the Spirit of God. It is in that relationship that we can connect our heart motives with our mind. It is in that relationship that we will find peace and never be alone again. In it all, God will never force Himself on us. We must choose to love Him. This will only come, for many of us, once we open ourselves to accept His love. I don't know how anyone can understand that with our mind.
@@robadams1506 I don't think you know what I have experienced in Iraq and after I came home torn up physically, mentally, and spiritually. I prayed to this imaginary being for 5 years every single day. He NEVER answered 1 simple prayer. I thought I would try to experience for myself what others claim to feel. I didn't feel or experience a dam thing. People convince themselves that there is something out there... there isnt. We are all alone. And I dont give a shit... I'll die knowing this is it, and with a smile on my face.
I did the same. The religous teachers literally kicked me out. Why, because I was making others questions their faith.
I went to a religious school for 4 years in which we had bible study class twice a week. I'll never forget the first time I asked a question at that school. I was told I was no longer allowed to ask any more questions without the risk of being kicked out of the school and my parents not getting a refund. From that moment, I understood that religion isn't about truth. It's about money and control.
Ask me any question and I just might help you restore your curiosity.
You are not a child any more. Do not let a bunch of fearmongers stop you from seeking the Divine. Seek and ye shall find, good luck.
@@jeffforsythe9514 omg🙄
@@jeffforsythe9514I have a question 🙋
Would u want your raped child to marry the rapist bcz God says so 😌
I read the bible cover to cover. I read the Koran cover to cover. I read the Torah cover to cover. I even read Dawkins God Delusion cover to cover and I am still a Christian.
me too xx
There are always going to be people who assume they're right... I became an atheist by reading the bible, by thinking about it.
+Zachary Clark And do you know the prophet of Islam's name is in the Bible ? I recommend you to check it out, you won't lose anything :)
try reading a science book
+Zachary Clark Have you ever watched a natural history documentary?
As an ex-elder in the Church, I became despondent after Religion became a competition. It forgot how to serve people and got really really greedy about serving themselves. And many Christians are stunningly arrogant in defending their club.
So true. When I meandered my way through the bible as well as I could around the age of 12, I began questioning. When I revisited it as an adult, and compared it to what I knew about science at that time, I came out of the closet as an Atheist. Now it is a no-brainer.
Thanks Mr. Jillette.
A No brainer? The only person without a brain is you.You have a brain so try using it and stop being a sheep.
@@allangrant6349 Wow. Thanks for the constructive comment. I will try not to take it too personally and lose sleep over it.
@@jestork1 I've re-read that message I sent you.I apologise as it was rude and I have no excuse.I do get far to annoyed when I see people been deceived.Read Mathew chapter 24.Then tell me if those things aren't happening right now.
@@allangrant6349 We could go back and forth for ages and will respectfully acquiesce. I have a close Christian friend with whom I have bantered back and forth with for years. We appreciate each other for what we do as individuals regardless of our beliefs and focus on being good people who do the right thing for the sake of doing so and not for reward or fear of punishment. That is the commonality between us. Take care and good journeys.
@@jestork1 The fact is there has only ever been one Good person that has walked apon this Earth and that was Jesus Christ as he was perfect.I believe we should be careful what we say about the Bible.As Jesus first words were in his prayer.."Our Father who art in heaven Hallow be they name"(Hallow meaning Sanctify.)We should show great respect to God and Respect the Bible without Banter.
I started the Bible as a Christian duty. I finished it an Atheist.
I wondered what happened to this "idiot" then? He surely was completely ignorant to read and follow the Bible and then create art from it, don't you agree? -- "I am a Christian and in fact a Roman Catholic.....the Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work." -JRR Tolkien, Author of the Lord of The Rings and The Hobbit
Thumbs up # 50. Reading the Bible used to make me so mad.
Alan Crook yup! Me too !!!
Alan Crook Sounds very familiar.
Eternity With Christ Being an atheist has nothing to do with wanting to sin, I'm an atheist and I am a very nice person who helps out in the community and has never hurt a fly. You know WHY I do that? Because I am actually nice, not because I'm afraid I'll burn in hell if I don't. If the only reason you're being nice/don't sin is because you're afraid of god, then you are not really a nice person. So you can keep that hypocritical moral superiority and stick it where the sun don't shine.
The fact that this is such a great deal for people, both religious and atheists, speaks a lot about the USA... In most of the rest of the world (maybe i should say "Civilized world"), people dont give a fliying F about that. Like, seriously, zero F's given.
ComandanteJ I know. Here you admit to being one or the other someone's going to treat you like shit and claim to be better than you. I've traveled to a lot of religious and atheistic countries and they don't care. They love and accept you.
Exactly, just dont force your religion (or lack of) on anyone else
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The Bible 'book' is a compendium of fire side tales and fables,
recounted orally for generations by goat herders and primitive tribes from the stone age, until writing was invented,
and then, many different sources, transliterations, and versions were copied and written down.
''The Bible was created during a time where stories were verbally passed down over thousands of years.
Stories constantly morphed and changed over time, and the Bible is a collection of these.
This is why it has the nearly identical flood story from Gilgamesh, and why Jesus has the same characteristics as Dionysus, Osiris, Horus, Mithra, and Krishna.
The contradictions and immorality in the stories are not evidence that God is flawed or evil,
but rather that humans invented him, just like the thousands of other gods that we used to, but no longer believe in.''
...and to answer the questions of the many fears and mysteries of our universe, like 'thunder' and earthquakes, since there was no science yet.
That was the old Testament.
The new Testes is also hearsay since these letters, 'gospels' and stories were written by the loyal faithful, the camp followers,
not by objective historians at that particular time,
or by any contemporary writers,
and these tales were written many years after the supposed events of this mythical Jesus.
Thus, there is essentially no verifiable evidence of a Jesus in real documented history.
Then, many of these stories, but not all, as many were not chosen,
[ There are more than just four Gospels but only these four were agreed on ],
were compiled for one self-absorbed converted Roman Emperor in his Nicean Council,
for his expressed purpose of conquest
and
control of the people of Europe for his Holy Roman Empire.
He recognised that this was the perfect religion/mythology for the future domination of the populaces.
Half of the stories were ignored by the Nicean Bishops and none have been proven to be based on fact.
This 'Bable' book is backed up by absolutely no facts and no evidence.
It is not proof for any god(s) ....(or of any jesus as a god...)
The fables are intertwined within historical places and people...
eg Egypt and the Pharaohs existed,
whereas Moses and the Exodus did not happen...!
It is a historical novel....
Only!
The Bible is proof of a book ONLY (certainly not evidence of any gods...)
Prove a god !!
I’m on board with that
I sort of had the opposite experience. I grew up as an agnostic bordering on an atheist. To coin my own word, I was a Idontcareatarian. As I grew older I explored a lot of drugs and wound up homeless and caught up in the drug game. I had an experience in the backyard of a house I was couch surfing at. I came to belief in Christ and this changed my perspective on life. I picked up the bible for the first time a few weeks later and started reading it. I found a great deal of wisdom and practical every day life tools. But yeah, I dont think anyone will read this and say "wow oh my, I want to read the bible now" lol. Just showcasing the exact opposite experience from unbelief to belief.
Being free of religiously-imposed guilt, fear, and prejudice toward so-called sinners has opened me up to that which can be truly divine, all-loving, wise and growth-orienting.
MARV congratulations ! I bet u felt truly free and limitless in that moment
Well you will divinely be judged by God according to the lies Satan has fed you and you chose it. Remember if you end up in Hell what I'm telling you. Jesus Christ is healing people today through His people, I have seen deaf ears opened, people in wheelchairs get up and start pushing them, and demons come out of people at the name of Jesus. What is this all about then stupid? Jesus is God. Try to dismiss the 300 spoken descriptions of who Jesus is and what He will do thousands of years before He came to earth and did it. You can't run from God you will end up in Hell.
He needs some dmt
@@scottwill6498 I would like to see these two talk, Penn and Howard Storm.
www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/howard-storm.html
@Ninja TypesTooFast What's he doing? Saying convert or die?
Internet preaching isn't forceful. It's not like the pixels will make you convert.
There is solid proof of God, and there is enough proof of the Resurrection to put it beyond reasonable doubt.
We were all born atheist. That's why they baptize you before you can even make up your own mind.
we are not all born atheists. Atheism is a choice to deny the existence of a God/Gods. Can a Baby choose to deny something when they are born? Can they even think when they are born? No. So we are agnostic at birth.
Agnosticism is a subclass of atheism nerd. It's like saying we are all catholic not christian.
Agnosticism is not a subclass of atheism. It's totally different thing,
Theism/Atheism is about beliefs, what would believe; that God/gods exists or don't exist.
Gnosticism/Agnosticism is an axis of epistemology, what you know or claim to know.
As Such you can have agnostic atheists, agnostic theists, gnostic atheists and gnostic theists.
There are also pure agnostics.
Within the subclasses of Theism you can have Agnostic Pantheists/Panentheists/Deist/Panendeists etc.
and also gnostics of the same subclasses.
I used to be an Atheists until I looked up the definitions of the words. Then I realized atheism was pure idiocy.
Not believing in something without evidence is "pure idiocy". Ok dude. You don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster, you beliefs are pure idiocy.
"...an error made on your own is safer than ten truths accepted on faith, because the first leaves you the means to correct it, but the second destroys your capacity to distinguish truth from error." - Ayn Rand, from her novel "Atlas Shrugged"
Usually when religion is shoved down your throat when your just a child, you will be religious for life and defend all the holes in the Bible and there's lots.but if you never knew about religion and your older and educated and you read a Bible for the first time i can imagine how ridiculous it must sound. Then, the fact that so much of the world really lives by this and many other religions would have you scratching your head.
Actually paying attention in church actually converted me to atheism. I’ve seen younger children ask hard to answer questions about religion and were ridiculed and called ignorant. I became an atheist at the age of 13 but my family doesn’t know except some of my siblings and cousins that are also atheist. It’s the old generation that fails to see how stupid religion is which is why atheism is growing. Atheism could be higher if people who hid it came out of the closet.
I'm doing quite alright here in the closet. I brought snacks.
Don’t forget to pray before you eat
Dancing Madman are you Christian now?
No, and I never will be
I wish if i could but my environment is so obsessed with religion if i criticised it they will hate me and see me like an ignorant and i don't think that i am smart enough or have great social skills to debate about a dangerous topic
I became an atheist at 10 years old when the preacher at my church during prayer kept speaking to god in the third person like he was talking to the congregation. I opened my eyes thinking I had missed the amen and saw that everyone had their heads still bowed in prayer. It dawned on me that no one in the church actually believed in a real god like I had been taught, they believed in a pretend god. From then on my suspicions were confirmed at every turn.
Care to explain why the solution for Pi is a non-repeating infinite number and why infinity exists without inciting the name of God or why we have an imagination and where it came from? Not trying to be condescending so don't take it that way, I just feel it is a valid area of analysis.
Here is a thought that may make you see God in a different light. God is said to be celestial so why would anything a human being said hold any weight if the interpretation doesn't equate to simply asking God? Your right humans do not have the power or authority to dictate what God means or who God is. I refer to God as God myself because I believe gender is a limitation and I believe God is without limitation and organized religion places limitations extremely well on God.
Honestly the reason I cannot understand why atheism should be valid is it creates a paradox in my mind in which you must first acknowledge the existence of God before denying he exists and you have to have an extreme level of faith as it is more reliant on God's existence than any other philosophical belief in order to validate it in your own mind. So I went the road less traveled by everyone, combine every religion into a whole understanding and then I got it and no it is not at all what preachers tell you and honestly I got this idea from asking God. The ultimate message is not how to get to heaven that is instinctual, not bigotry and hatred, all I got from it all was to simply ask God not humans. Only God can answer questions you have about God no one else, they can help you by telling you how they took it but if they ever say "because God said so" or "because God don't like it" then they are an idiot and will never see what I am talking about. If it all still sounds crazy to you then you know your not really ready to take on that heavy of a question. I personally believe God is real but that God does not conform to a standardized idea or an extremely fucked up narrative exploited by so many people, but is much more than any one book, religion or person could cover.
Frank, if you knew enough to know that they were doing it wrong, why didn’t you decide to do it right instead of not doing it all? How is that any better?
evilcowboy Your premise that atheism is the denial of “God” is faulty from the outset. Atheism is simply the position of not having an affirmative belief in any “God” because the person is unpersuaded due to lack of evidence and the dubiousness of the arguments in favor of a “God” - it does _not_ begin with acceptance of a “God” proposition which is subsequently denied. Accordingly, your philosophical assertions about atheism somehow presenting a “paradox” are logically fallacious and easily dismissed.
@@valhalla7408 That's the cop-out atheists now use since they've found no way to defend the idea of "no God"
C.S. Unger Wrong again - typical theist projection - you’re the one engaged in a “cop out”, since you like other theists are inevitably trying to shift the burden of proof. You are the one claiming there is a “God”, so *prove it* . Atheists simply don’t believe your theistic claims and assertions without evidence.
I am an atheist…period. Having said that I read the primary text of the Bible, Koran and Torah as well as secondary texts about them. I think as a student of Western Literature it is foundational to understand the Bible, references etc…because it will come up constantly from reading Don Quixote, Steinbeck, Salinger…I see the religious texts as an open door to the mindset of peoples of a given era. When the writings of Aquinas or Augustine are referenced I want to know at least an idea of what is being referenced.
I find many (most?) people who are atheists will lean toward agnosticism with age. I try to be agnostic about it all best I can.
Christians, explain this to me without muttering some vague avoidance about free will. God created me the way I am yes? (Even if not it still works) God is all knowing yes? So god knows completely why I don't believe in him and why I think his entire relligion is bullshit, and he created me as a person who requires solid evidence to devote my existence to an invisible sky daddy right? And he didn't provide the evidence I require to believe in him. Yet if I don't believe in him (and he completely understands why I don't because he is all knowing) he still forces me to burn in hell for all eternity? Wtf god.
I am a Christian and will try to give you an answer. May I start by stating these are very good questions! To paraphrase - I think you are asking Does God knowingly predestine people to Hell? As you've indicated - if he is 'all-knowing' then it definitely seems like the answer is Yes. But if I could nudge you to take it one step further and question why that is and what kind of God would allow that. I believe God finds no satisfaction in people going to Hell and that it actually devastates him.
Consider this. You have a child and you raised that child the best you can teaching him to be honest, safe and good in life. But later you see that child about to do something that you know is going to hurt him. You try to stop him but his pride overtakes and he ends up hurting himself. You saw it coming the whole time but ultimately - that child is in pain and now, so are you. I believe God interacts and feels this same way.
In this video, I think Penn is more focused on the old testament which as he states, has a lot of horrible stories. But if you look at the new testament and in particular, the words of Jesus, he explains why those things of the old testament happened and what it really means. The true Christian belief is that it devastates God to see people go to hell. It hurts him so much that he sent Jesus. I know this opens up many other questions like God’s omnipotent power, etc. Impossible to talk about it in a youtube comment but msg me if you want to chat.
The answer is that we choose hell rather than to trust in God. We chose to perish when we chose to sin and rebel against God. So in essence, when we sin we inherit the faith of the one who we forfeited the earth to (Satan) because we chose to do evil instead of choosing to trust in God and do good. He chose to give us a way out through faith (trusting in Him) which is where Adam failed in the Garden.
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Cavemantero We don't choose to go to hell, god sends us there. Imagine someone points a gun at you and tells you to give them your money, and you say no, so they shoot you, did they shoot you, or by your logic did you shoot yourself because you didn't fulfill their demands, god is the shooter if you don't worship him fulfilling his demands he shoots (sends you to hell) and yet people say we send ourselves there smh
*A Google Account* Well, I believe a closer analogy would be to see God as a father, a comparison that was briefly mentioned above. He tells you that you're living your life in a way that, while very likely satisfying and enjoyable for you, is ultimately not the best thing for you overall. Naturally, we humans have a tendency to vehemently oppose instructions that go against things we personally want to do or enjoy, resulting in a lot of pushback against God's presence in our lives. As a simplified version of the situation, we are told that we can either come home and be with him (through Jesus), or choose to be 'free/independent' from him. Important to note that this choice has to have been made before death. God's influence is permanently affecting the physical world, so we currently live in a place with the potential for both good and evil. However, once we pass on, it's either one way or the other. Now, for an atheist (or any non-Christian), naturally you wouldn't love God or Jesus, or even believe in them, so by default you'd choose to be away from Him. The only problem here is that good only exists in the presence of God. Because you've chosen independence from Him, He sends you to the only place that meets the requirement of being away from his presence, Hell. It's not a place of torture for torture's sake, it's just that being separated from God's influence of good, only evil can exist there. Of course, there is also the duality of God as both father AND judge, with Hell as both a person's desired place away from God as well as their punishment for sin, but that'd be further reading if you were interested.
You make a video about religion and the chat fills up with idiots.
Thanks for your wisdom Penn.
Did anyone else get a Christian ad before this?
I never believed a word of it. the straw that broke the camels back was when a high school senior girls asked the classic class-busting question ( high school version: "what is college like ?") "what is heaven like?"
and the early thirties teacher replied " all the girls will be 18, and all the men will be 32..." and I was gone.
shortly after, my mother was too busy being both parents after my dads surgery. she finally got a free Wednesday evening and walked into Wednesday night prayer meeting just in time to hear the resident glamor queen / Jezebel pray for a tragedy to befall our family so we would be driven back to God
she got a 5 minute dose of "Dad on report card night", which left her shell shocked, and no member of the family ever entered a church again.
I love science because they discover new things everyday , and science is not afraid when new discoveries disprove old theories , but religion just keeps repeating the same old biblical crap .
maybe. liberals claim climate change is science when it is really a religion. they too are afraid of truth and discoveries. so be careful
David Anewman “evolutionary science changes because it isn’t true”
Enlighten me
yeah, Evolutionary science "changes" because there is new information added, but unfortunately for you, it doesn't change the theory, it adds and reinforces it.
old theories are not so much disproven, the old Theory remains 100%correct with the information that was available at that time, the new information doesn't disprove the original theory, it adds to it and moves it on.
evolution is a fact. if you want to not believe that is the case, then nobody can stop you from believing anything you want, that should give you the true value of your belief, but Evolution remains a fact if you believe it or not, that's why it is a Scientific Theory.
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.
That is the criteria you need to meet to become a Scientific Theory, if you really want to dismiss it you'll need to prove it wrong, which nobody has been able to do because everything points to the Theory being correct; it is a well substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, it is based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment (meaning you (or anyone) could do the experiments if you had the knowledge and observe it for yourself, your ignorance of it, which you're currently using, isn't much use for anything) it is not a guess, it is a reliable account of the real world.
it may help to know that when things are peer reviewed on their way to becoming a Theory, the cross examination is rigorous, everything needs to be perfect, any claim will have to have evidence that actually proves it to be the case, beyond question, as in there are no more questions that need to be asked as the answers have already been presented in the Theory, all of the answers and they all add up. now you compare that to "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" which is the first line in the Bible, the Bible doesn't make it past the first line in the book when being peer reviewed, that is the colossal difference between Science and religion, one has to have evidence the other requires there to be none at all.
so, you just chose to ignore everything I said, good for you, staying ignorant is important to your faith.
how about you actually take on the argument presented, instead of making stupid claims.
here's how it goes; I present the argument, you point out the flaws in it, I correct the argument, we agree. that's how the process works. wild assertions don't belong anywhere whilst presenting an argument, they HAVE TO BE BACKED UP WITH EVIDENCE.
it isn't a "so-called" Theory, derogatory remarks from an idiot don't do the actual thing any damage at all, it IS a "scientific theory" it IS defined that way, because how we defined that term, is what Evolution had to pass to become a Theory, it is what everything that is theorized has to pass before it can actually become a "Scientific Theory" denial of this, is just denying the reality you live in (that doesn't actually come as a shock to anyone) and the criteria you have to meet to accomplish this label was described to you. that had to be acquired before it became a Theory.
"All of evolution is an assumption", that is demonstrably wrong, you do know we have witnessed evolution in its process with the likes of the fruit fly for example, there you go, now you have to go and research the fruit fly, and prove everything we've found out to be wrong, good luck with that because lets face it, you're not in the slightest bit qualified to know what you're talking about are you.
what "facts" is evolution in denial of ... (I expect an extremely stupid response to this question, or the scurrying of an idiot as they're called out for their stupid assertions)
Religion isn't concerned with coming up with anything new. We already have the Bible... But guess what! The Bible is absolutely not against science. I'm studying electrical engineering at Michigan Tech and I'm learning so much every day. It's amazing and nothing in any way makes me question my faith.
I found an error in the title:
_reading the Bible (or the Koran, or the Torah) will make you an atheist_
It should read:
_reading as an atheist unlikely change your worldview_
If this is what you got out of the video you need to watch it again.
Alby DeMoss
_When someone is trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda._ Penn Jillette 3:20
Petar Stamenkovic
hes not interpreting anything. Hes telling us how he came to believe Atheism. He never specified that he was an atheist before he began to see the contradictions in the bible. And he became an atheist by reading the bible and seeing the falicy in it
Alby DeMoss
And you're free to believe him that's how it happened.
You're not born as an atheist or a Christian. You're born merely believing in God because belief is the default state of the mind. Later on, you may choose to name him or reject him, like Penn here did. He has clearly rejected the belief and has read the Bible in such a way to make it fit with his assumptions.
Contradictions in the Bible are most often just contradictions in your mind- of what is true with what you assume to be true.
*****
Here, have a listen to Michael Shermer explain why the belief is the default state of human mind:
www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_the_pattern_behind_self_deception.html
No reading the Bible has made me a firm believer because I actually had an encounter with the Holy Spirit when I took to what the Bible says.
So if the holy spirit said you should follow every commandment in the bible....would you?
I'm guessing Yes
So question 🙋...would u allow your daughters rapist marry her
That’s what happened to me...read the Bible and became free from it and all religions.
I Am tell me why? I bet I could change your mind on that.
Alex Parrish what is the bet? In short, the evidence based on the text does not match what is believed.
I Am the bet is the fact that I could change your mind? Let’s go
I Am explain more on what you’re trying to say?
Alex Parrish Humor to start in a discussion is always welcomed. The text of the Bible literally portrays the god character of the story as an genocidal tyrant that does not display intelligence but rather premeditated acts of cruelty on both so called chosen and not chosen people. If it is believed that the god character of the story is, as also written, “All merciful, all knowing, all powerful, etc., and is the sole creator of everything” then believers have the problem of explaining the creation of sin for one and the murders committed directly by their god or commanded by their god while also explaining how the very first murderer of the story (Cain) was not punished nor, as the good book states, “...an eye for an eye...”. Then there is this so believed “original sin” that is not mentioned about within the written text but preached and believed by the masses that Adam and Eve are the cause of all sin. This is clearly not the case based on the text and overtly a scapegoat for the god character who is believed to the be the creator of all things that knew everything that you or I would do in our lifetime before even being created.
This brings up the next dilemma that believers have to account for which is apparently summed up in two words “God’s plan.” Many have claimed to know exactly what god’s plan is but when asked to provide evidence of their amazing mind reading abilities, they divert back to what the text has written for specific characters at specific sections of the story and therefore taken out of context. If all is done according to God’s plan, then how can anyone actually be blamed for doing exactly what god has planned? So If Tom murders someone and god knew Tom would murder someone, date and time as well as all the details right, then still decides to create Tom before Tom carries out the deed, then who is actually responsible for the murder of that person?
This brings me to my third point, good ol Satan. Who was also created by god in which god knew exactly what Lucifer would do to become Satan and yet still allowed to do exactly what was foreseen it would do. I know you are going to use free will as your argument but you will soon see that is false and that no one has free will as long as people believe there is a god that demands/commands their allegiance under penalty of an eternity of pain and suffering.
If a priest read the Bible in church from beginning to end, a lot of those church members would realize how absurd Christianity is. When I was in high school and in love with Jesus I decided to read the Bible. Pretty messed up to learn that I had been wrong about the most extreme part of my life.
I was a full on Catholic until I was 17. I decided to read the bible to expand my knowledge on the religion I loved, instead I ended up hating the idea of a deity who presents himself as the greatest thing ever but was actually an egotistical madman
Read apologetics on passages of the Bible you're concerned about.
So you believed in a deity because he was nice? That's a stupid reason to believe in anything.
That's what these turn out to be: "I don't like God"
Cian Nolan the egotistical madman is the spirit of the Antichrist that dwells within you. And that's really why you left the church.
jimmy c but he was full on Catholic so how?
Penn being a Zappa fan just makes my consideration for him even higher
I have a friend dating who's dating someone who believes in something else, they both had to break up for it because the guy she dated tried to convert her to his own religion however this would cause her mum to disown her.
From this, and in my opinion: I feel like no religion should stop people from loving each other. people should be free to love, care, and be friends with who ever they want no matter the circumstance.
This is one of my personal gripes with any sort of religion, once again this is my beliefs, opinions, thoughts many others have different beliefs, opinions, and thoughts.
(Edit: yes, they're back together albeit with circumstances.)
Fuck, Christian's figured out how to leave comments on RUclips.
D.J. Wilson yup
As a current Christian, I must confess that it is appalling when I hear or see other 'Christians' (I do not consider anyone a Christian just because they label themself one, but by rather how they live and act.) trying to push their beliefs on non-believers.
It's good to share, if they are willing to hear, and it's good to show if they are willing to see.
However it is not good to harass, belittle, condescend, scare, or show unwarranted animosity to those who do not believe. Same goes for any other religion, or atheistic stance.
It's fine to share your opinion, everyone has one, but not everyone is right. Most are wrong, and we all seem to 'know' the answer to it, but again only one of us can be right or none of us. We should not be pushing or forcing anyone into any kind of idea or religion or faith. We have free-will for a reason.
To give my opinion about this video:
After reading the bible, the more and more I read it, the more I believe in God, the more I understand the world around me, and the more I see patterns and things falling into place. I love God's word, and it has gotten me through the most difficult times, and even the most easy times. I try not to take God for granted, I was not a Christian my whole life, there has been a period of 15 years or so of living my own way, but I know I was wrong.
I'm a better person for loving and believing God, and it is what I consider a freedom, not a set of rules. To let God take over your life is freedom because he knows what's best for me more than I do for myself. When I do things my own way, things just do not work out the way I intended them, and usually for the worse.
But when I'm obedient to God, things still do not work the way I intended, but there's a difference this time: I am better off for it in the end. As would all of us be. He takes care of us, as he has always taken care of me when I'm faithful. He has even shown me tremendous mercy and grace when I wasn't faithful, and I'm grateful for it.
Let anyone who wants to know the truth, ask whoever may be in charge up there (God) to please kindly open your heart and eyes to show you the truth.
"You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart."
For everyone else, I wish you the best of luck and hope you one day realize that the scripture "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." rings true for you like it did for me.
Also..I'd like to note that the growing rate of atheism is basically foretold in the bible in the end-times. Just throwing that out there.
Isn't that what we're supposed to do, though? To "go forth and make disciples" as the Great Comission says?
Personally, that's one of the biggest, if not the biggest, thing I hate about my faith. I feel like I'm obligated to sell a product that many people need but nobody wants.
@@instagib783 we are not salesman. We are advocates and to show what they are missing by being a good example and loving others while they are yet sinners.
@@jomormont "sinners"
I didn't read the christian bible i read the torah and i dont get why they talk about people who dont believe in their religion as if they are another species
One of my favorite personal stories, was a man I was visiting quite often, mainly because he was a scientist / biologist and never believed in God. We talked often about Science, and often about religion. He told me he was never afraid to die, and by science, everything has a lifespan in which it returns to the earth from which it came, and thus is the process of the circle of life. Understandable, he had devoted 50 years of his life to his research, and although I would talk about Jesus and God randomly with him, he always shrugged away from the topic. I came back to the hospital a month later to investigate another patient, when I was told by a nurse that the Scientist wanted to speak with me.
I went into his room, and when he saw me, his eyes flared up in desperation. He went on to tell me that two weeks ago, he had a stroke, and was dying. When he was dying he had a vision, in which he could see his own mother and father smiling at him, and behind them, and older man with a warm smile. He told me he recongnized the old man, to which I responded..... Uncle ?, Grandfather ?. He just looked at me, shook his head, and reponded with, Jesus, that he had a picture when he was just a boy in his room of Jesus, and it looked exactly similar to that picture
I couldn't believe it. Since this man was not religious in any sense, and devoted his life to science, but for the first time he told me he was actually afraid of dying, and confront an entity which he spent his life trying to de-bunk. And it was the first time he asked me, still very hesitant, about the Bible, and the exact teachings of Jesus.
wow thats the 5th time i hear this story
and i still dont believe it given how many people experienced it
people are cowards aren't they. like house keeps saying, everyone lies.
Most muslims that dont love Yeshua, (Jesus) but are willing to accept Him if He talks to them, they pray about it and Yeshua appears to them in some way! Look up one for Isreal and you'll lots of conversion stories from jews and muslims!
@Feiner Fug well, as no other religion requires but judaism, I will pray for you.
That is the most pitiful, weak, disgusting copy and paste load of shit that I ever witnessed!
I'm not a religious person, but I think everyone needs some kind spirituality (I don't mean organized religion), because when you're on your death bed, it's just gonna be you and your beliefs to comfort you. Imho
Wel, I guess to each their own, whatever makes them happy.
If we don't even know why heaven ever became unstable though...
I remember the moment when I realized that, even as a Christian who was in the mission field, I believed in the Bible in the same way I believed in my favorite novels. I was fascinated, intrigued and completely moved by the possibilities presented in this fantasy history - but no rational part of my actually thought it was real. It was like playing D&D with friends, cosplaying as your favorite character in your favorite world....
And like all things, eventually you just grow up and grow out of it.
I genuinely think that it was suppose to be more of a tale a story maybe a children's fable to keep in mind and scare them into good behaviour rather than something to truly believe in or accept as reality. But clearly someone took it too seriously as humans are kmown for with anything and started wars over it and got people who didnt know any better and were insecure and hopeless to listen and have hope that their life wasnt pointless suffering or whatever and that they were cared about and special vs some peasant feeling the weight of the world. Its a nice way to basically shurk off all responsibility and consequences and whatnot and feel like special or chosen or different in the same way that teen or young adult coming of age sort of novels preach to teens having a horrid time not fully child not fully adult weird hormones and social shit love the reassurance of heroines and normal people finding out their magical or royalty or something that makes all the bs worth it.
Basically the bible is just a old school fairytale. Most religion is a mixture of that and an instruction manual on how not to get sick or die like have sex with your eternal soulmate only (because then you wont die of syphilis or have fucked up kids) dont eat unclean meats or do certain things cause SIN but actually youll get sick and die or end up regretting it etc. Like rest each week or youll die of overwork be grateful for what you have so you can be happy and love and help thy neighbour because then youll have strng community who can also watch out for you etc like a lot of the "good" stuff or rules are more just common sense and morals that we all innately have it really is just a fairytale telling you not to take food from strangers or tell lies or wander into the woods or off on general as a child. Like i feel sorry for people who cling to it but as long as they arent harming others their delusions are as important as anyone else using it as a coping mechanism for pain or hopelessness. Its why when i see teens or even adults who are like obssessed with books or movies or cosplay im really careful to sprak that enthusiasm and joy and not sjit on it like a lot of adults would as immature or not real or whatever because belief and joy and escapism in something is super important to humans. Our spirit or soul or whatever needs somwthing to love and look forward to and get lost in. But yeah i wish religious people would get lost in fandoms that dont start actual wars and kill people that arent them and abuse their power act in goverments and take advantage of those they claim to want to help like children teens unwed mothers homeless etc because the church any church hides so many sins and perpetrates them theyre the reason for the dark ages ffs. And so many wars if not all of them to some degree. Like if their is a magic being behind the book theyre not on humanities side. Maybe powerful rich men but noone else. You can tell it was written by patriarchal men. The fact that any females are religious at all is mental.
Most people do not have the wisdom to understand the Bible............falundafa
My verbally and physically abusive ex-stepfather quoted the Bible to justify every bit of his abuse. Every insult he spewed and every blow he made against both me and my mom was taken straight out of the Bible. Whenever he would insult me or her, he would have us read certain verses that basically echo all the insults he threw at us and support his physical assaults as well. In fact, Proverbs 13:24 (you can read it yourself) is his favorite verse and he has it as a refrigerator magnet. To him, it means "I beat my kids because I love my kids, and I beat them for their own good." I was absolutely repulsed.
Perhaps the proverbs is trying to say is to discipline your kids for their own good. And if you don't, you don't care about their well being. Except the fact that your step dad is abusive and using this as an excuse. I hope everything's going well for you. 👍
MetalSmasherGaming
Your step father was wrong. You can take one solitary verse and twist it to justify anything. The key principle in the bible love.
Ephesians 6:4 KJV
[4] And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
The spirit of the bible gives life but the letter kills. The Bible is allegorical. Www.mymeditationofthebible.blogspot.com
Well spoken Penn!
My best and shortest debate to 'shut up' christians is a small piece of paper - the size of a businesscard - that I carry with me everywere. On this piece of paper I (hand)wrote the following: " WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUE". I will show that to christians when they start quoting any verse from the bible.
And then I would ask you to PROVE IT.
hahaha what a great way to appreciate being alive now and not in ratchety 1500s when religiouses were busy making up reasons to torture and imprison people for disagreeing with them about stuff that is measurably true
@@voiceoftruth2646your literally the one making the claim that the book is true. YOU have to prove it.
*reading the bible will make an inteligent man (or woman) an Atheist
Puke Smiley Intelligent being the key... no offense to my family still slaving away door to door. But I still stand by that statement.
Puke Smiley I've read the Bible twice. I'm still a believer at the very least in a Divine Architect of the cosmos.
so are you a Deist?
Not necessarily. This is one of the lies you accept without actually doing it. Why waste your time if its just going to disappoint you, right? Well maybe you'll find a thing or two that strikes a chord inside you and that's not bad. Try the psalm 23:4 when you need it. It's one of the gems you should memorize if you're interested in an emergency spiritual parachute when things turn to crap.
Puke Smiley Nice to here that the greatest freedom fighters the world has seen were actually morons then. Maybe it's not so bad being stupid.
"Thou shalt not kill" - except for all the death penalties for ludicrous "crimes" like picking up sticks on the Sabbath. But you can live if you are a rapist and can afford to pay off the father or you marry the victim, of course.
Mandy B Modern bibles have translated it as "murder" not "kill" unlike KJV because they have reasons...
You will not murder is the actual translation. Read the actual text not the mistranslation.
David Ward So when you stone your teen child to death because it is disobedient,it's not murder,right? Or your teenage daughter because she is not virgin at her wedding? How about killing someone for being gay or because he works on Saturday? Are these considered kills and not murders? Wtf people?
The "WTF people" is the answer to all the issues Humans have. It's Humans that fuck everything up. Period.
"Thou shall not take innocent blood" is the more accurate translation.
Thank God I outgrew atheism
I packed Christianity in by the time I was 14 years old. I read about 1/2 of the Old Testament and stopped. I couldn't reconcile what I was reading. It was a horror show. I then read the New Testament, but I jumped all over the place. Eventually, I read enough to confirm my understanding. I concluded the Bible was an extremely long and detailed script to a horror movie. It was fantastical and unbelievable. Do not let anybody who claims to be a pastor, priest, or bible teacher decode the passages in this book. Read it yourself. If you can read this book, you are smart enough to arrive at the point where you will know it is patently insane.
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the mental fragility of religious authorities is the most solid evidence that its all bullsht
"The old testament is responsible for more atheism than any other source it has emptied more churches than all the counter attractions of cinema, motor bicycle and golf" A A Milne
The old testament is not responsible, the old testament is Israel's history before Jesus, to really understand what happened and why it happened it is necessary to study history, philosophy and even understand relevant science concepts. Nowadays there are abundant sources, historians, philosophers, scientists, etc. even here in youtube where anyone who really thinks critically will find answers. The times of believing without thinking are gone for many of us. I believe not only because of my spiritual experience, but because I have researched answer to my questions and studied for several years the reasons for the faith that is in me.
Not if you have the wisdom to understand it. Seeking the Divine is a very arduous task but all good things are not easy.......falundafa
Priests, preachers and cult leaders are the perfect example of the blind leading the blind😎
@Va Sr A typo of liberals. Either that or a cross between libel and Legolas.
So many misunderstandings. Even he doesnt see his agenda while reading this books
Since ancient times no one has heard, no ear has perceived, no eye has seen any God besides you, who acts on behalf of those who wait for him.
Isaiah 64:4
Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
Isaiah 53
Ok but then if that's the case why is the only consequence for being unconvinced of the most unrealistic sounding thing ever eternal burning in a fire basically be gullible and suspend your disbelief forever or burn
@@epicmonkey6663 its not the unbeliever that is cast into the fiery lake. It is the sinner, those who continually indulged in their sinful act.
Supposed you are a gardener.
What would you do to those unwanted weeds in your garden. You would cut them off and threw them would you? Would you have any sympathy to those unwanted weeds? I dunno this just what i think...
he's right, I read the bible and ended up an athiest not because I was skeptical, but because I truly believed in it. And after reading it through I found out that not everything was discussed in churches. I read how vindictive and hateful god was to his enemy. After that, I don't want to touch it anymore.
Yeah you're right, people are sooo much nicer and yet you believe in them. Guess you didn't understand what you read. My God (the bible god) isn't any of those things. I actually studied the book. I didn't treat it as a novel.I did the same for my algebra book in high school. I didn't become a "anti-scholar" simply because I didn't understand algebra the first time...I studied it. Seems you should "study the book" as opposed to just "reading" it.
+Frank Patek seemed like you didn't hard enough.
Jacob Dongon I understand it fine. I think the problem is that people who "hate" the bible are misguided. And unless you studied it, you shouldn't comment on it. My 23 years of salvation isn't "mindless". It's devotion to a God that I've found to be very real. And I think you really can't comment on a relationship that you don't understand and neither can Penn. I respect Penn, but he's wrong on this.
+Frank Patek if that's what you believe in, then, have peace in your belief. But for me, religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
hawklord2001
"Real: actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed."
Prove to me you're real. Prove to yourself that I'm real or 'not imagined or supposed'.
As far as a relationship have baring on others...well there is no avoiding it. We all are somewhat accountable to each other as citizens of the planet. How we treat each other has to be a corporate effort. Otherwise people don't know what is up or down/right or wrong. We need to have a standard. Society's fail when they don't identify standards.
I stopped believing in god one day at school, when I was late and and I had woken up 5 minutes earlier and had no coffee. A teacher started scolding me, but then she stopped, because after the morning announcements a kid would get up and say a prayer.
A FUCKING PRAYER! Every single day. not a a religious school, this still happens in all greek schools, even though lately we've had many ministers and even a prime minister, who are atheists.
After the prayer was over, I was also yelled at for not saying it with everyone else(even though 1/3 of the students were muslims of turkish descend in my town and the prayer is specific to greek orthodox people). Then, the teacher asked me "are you a muslim?" and laughed(race is not a source of discrimination in greece, but religion and ethnicity are). I thought for a second and that's when I became an atheist. Well, not exactly. I called her a racist and a bigot and when she looked at me angrily, I told her to fuck off and I left. But I thought about religion later that day for the first time and that's all it took, just like everyone else.
So brave of u! I wish I had guts like U!!
SistarBora When you think about it, most every day things(especially school related once) are pointless. Speak your mind or ignore everyone, either way don't stress yourself over it.
I've noticed that while after I do something once, it doesn't scare me anymore. School, University exams, teachers, they all seemed scary until I finished them and then all that was left was stress. Don't take shit from anyone as long as you have your reasons and you think you're right. That's how I look at it.
So a teacher was giving you shit and you stood up to her. That's a brave move..
But where does religion come in all of this ? She could've given you shit about anything else.
Suppose a similar situation; if the morning announcements included the national anthem, and you didn't recite it, and the teacher came and yelled at you, then said: "Are you an immigrant?". And then laughed. Would you quit being a citizen to your country of origin ?
Schizophrenic Enthusiast The situation is not similar at all. In both cases, I would question the motives behind the teacher's decision to believe that a certain religion or country has some sort of importance, while others don't.
Going by your example and following the same logic as in my experience mentioned above, I'd think "thinking you're special because you happened to be born in a certain place is petty and stupid. We're all the same."
Obviously, I'd denounce the idea of nationalism, not give up my citizenship, since it doesn't come with a set of beliefs.
Tasos Kozi I get what you're saying, I see where my analogy doesn't quite work.
But back to your experience, all I could find was that the only reason behind leaving your religion is because you thought somehow religion obliges her to act in that hurtful manner.
Is that true ? Correct me if I'm wrong..
Religious people : my religion is doing well and that's one reason why it's true.
Also religious people in the same breath : my religion is also being persecuted and that's one reason why it's true.
Make up your damn minds which is it?
Both are mainstays in reality. Some people who a few years ago tried to have me murdered are today trying to be my friend claiming I'm not being nice to then by refusing their friendship. They're all just so f'cking *broken up* over my persecution of them.
both could be true at the same time
The irony is that when I watched this, it was immediately followed by a commercial for a religious college.
Thank you Mr. Jillette. My sister married an amazing black man and as a biracial couple gave the church another chance. They tried a few churches and found one that they liked and attended for a few weeks, then one day the pastor came to their house unannounced, and explained that their church was not for them. Needless to say, this was the turning point for them of what and who religion really is, a radical group of hypocrites. We were also taught that Santa & the Easter Bunny were real all in the name of making religion fun for the youth, and now that you've grown, you still don't believe in Santa delivered all those present in one night, do you? I never got anything, fuck Santa and the bunny too.
Don't diss Santa, he'll deliver you a piece of coal!
Coops I have bags of that shit, and Santa told me their was a diamond inside, he's a lying fuck.
Dave Scott Well technically he was right!
I remember one Christmas, Santa came to my room and...wait, he said it was our little secret. That's just between me, him and my psychiatrist...
Holidays have nothing to do with religion. Christmas came from Romans. 12 days of Christmas was when Roman courts shut down, men raped and pillaged in a drunken "holiday" to appease evil spirits.
Jonathan Martling that sure sounds like religion to me.