New Construction DECK is HILARIOUSLY BAD!!
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New construction deck that should not have passed city inspection BUT IT DID!! Why on earth any aspect of this passed is beyond me. Shame on the city inspector and shame on this builder for not owning up to it and fixing it.
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The should have at least taken the 6 inches they cut from the beam and duct taped it to the other side to support that end span.
a couple of zip ties wouldn't hurt either 🤦
Needs moar Bubble Gum and Baling Wire.
Tape AND wood glue
@@luptonpittman6520 Wood glue is stronger than the wood itself.... so..... yeah.
@@TheCyberMantis no doubt!
Why did my deck collapse?
Well you see, you allowed three birds to land on it at the same time. That voids your warranty
@@xXVitalsXx my man came here to do the same thang!
NYUK NYUK
That deck would hold at least 10 years
It can support three birds. They just can’t land on the side with no support underneath.
Lol so true
I lost it at the loadbearing window underneath😂
They just need thicker glass.
Nice touch!
As a recently retired 50+ year precision machinist/toolmaker, let me just say what a pleasure it is to see fine quality craftsmanship and pride in ones work!
Nah
Just buy it cheap from China, when it breaks, you buy another one and try to convince yourself that you are saving money...fools
Not a defense of the work above, but don't machinists sit inside all day, using ridiculously expensive machines to work with arrow straight steel??
Try working outside, with hand tools, and a pile of crooked lumber...guessing you'd lose some of that sarcasm and smugness...
@@codymoe4986 I agree fuckem
@@codymoe4986No!?? This work is downright shoddy. Nothing to do with someone else working indoors.
Imagine the weight of a group of people and a grill on that deck being supported by 6 screws.
When it inevitably collapses they'll all roll down that hill.
Bonus, no corner posts. Deck goes, grab handrail and it joins the fun.
We had a case here in the Seattle area where a deck was built at least as shoddily as this and collapsed killing 2 people. Contractor went to jail. Contractor here should be unpaid and fired.
Yeah, they thought 7 screws would be overkill.
I’m not defending this but they peppered the 2x8 ledger with enough nails that it’s not going anywhere unless the nails aren’t galvanized and the nails corrode from the treated lumber
If this deck is seriously butchered by contractors I can’t imagine the rest of the house.
Often, the deck is installed by a different company than the one that did the Framing.
Had I been the Super, that contractor would be on the Special High Intensity Training list of me, and all my friends.
Lot of the work is sub out
Decks never come on new houses... they are designed and added on later at the home owners discretion
If the House is designed as badly as this Deck is, we're talking about a Nightmare special!!!
@@ronaldshank7589 Or maybe the house was designed by an architect who has the Parkinson disease so everything match to plan.
I volunteered several weeks in the harshest weather to build houses. The nightmares I seen with people pretending to know what they were doing and parts of building process not working because someone did not know how to cut wood, measure wood or assemble structures was absolutely astonishing.
After hearing what they were offering to pay, I told them that if they were that hard up that they can keep their money. A couple weeks later they lost the contract and everyone was sent home without pay for Christmas.
I certainly can relate how new homes are a nightmare.
In the county I live in even decks have to be inspected. A neighbor built a three level deck that wrapped around two sides of his house. The building inspector noticed it when he was inspecting a new house on the same street. Because of the soil conditions the footers needed to be 3’x3’x8”. The home owner put it on 10”x 1’ sono tubes. The inspector made him tear it down. The guy was a contractor. The kind that got down payments from customers for work but never did the work. That was 15 years ago. He went to jail, and no more decks were ever added to that house.
I'm out of jail now, and I'm planning on finishing that deck
I build custom decks for a living and this hurts my soul.
I've never built a deck in my life, and I swear to God I could do a better job, LOLOLOL.
I don’t build decks for a living and this hurt my belly from laughing so hard..
I'm a parrot and I can tell you I GUESS IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE QUIET... hurts my soul.
They need you to n
Help them out
Homeowners are building better decks than actual “contractors”..
Most contractors only care about maximizing profits.
@@ilovebutterstuff Truth. The SMART and Greedy Contractors, like me, also realize that getting sued for shite work cuts into profits.
My Landlord, however, operates under the philosophy, "I don't have time to do it right, so this is Good Enough for now. I'll be back in Two Weeks."
(In two months, the tarp he put on the roof has blown off, and the house is resuming to rot.)
One of the top 5 decks I’ve seen was built by a homeowner with no previous contractor experience. He used youtube and dca6. Smart guy
@@rigidinspections I got called into a house by the homeowner, he asking me to inspect his work before he called the Building Inspector.
He had run EMT Conduit in his house. And it was Beautiful.
He said he had to do it himself, none of the contractors he'd contacted were willing to run it in Conduit. I wish he'd found me first...
But, yeah, since he was, as he said, "Doing it Pro Se," he wasn't worried about the time it was taking. And he did it better than I would have, because at a Flat Rate Bid, the name of the game is to Finish As Fast As You Can!
They paid someone to eh “build” that thing. Get your money back.
Years ago my Aunt and Uncle had large porch roof built off their house. Even though they were told by family members ; who used to be in construction (my father included) to use a reputable firm , they used someone out of the "penny Pincher" that a friend of theirs used to build a small shed. The guy and his helper built almost the whole structure and then notified the building inspector. Needless to say if failed on many counts! I was there when my dad brought down one of the builders (retired) he used to do sub let work for a favor for my dad he told my Aunt and Uncle everything that was done wrong. I got an education that day in building code and why it is in place. When it was all said and done they had to tear down the entire structure and start all over again. The 1st "builder" kept the money and refused to do anything more and they had to get another firm and pay everything all over again !!
Much appreciated & thanks for showing this, as I learned a lot and how not to get screwed by slackers! Hope you were able to get these things fixed without more costs to you.
Just because someone does something for a living it doesn't mean that they're good at it.
and another saying that should never be forgotten... just because Spandex is one size fits all, doesn't mean it looks good! lol
Look at Jeff Dunham and his "comedy"
@@laternevercame lol I agree with that 100%!
I say this everyday 😂
tile is the worst example
Im going to show this video to my clients when they tell me the "other guy can do it cheaper"
Yup, if nothing else, at least it a great marketing tool to help customers understand the difference between a carpenter and a flat out hack.
Lmfao good on you
Amen
I'm not even in any trades and just seeing the adults in my life growing up, doing this to people always pissed me off. You get what you pay for.
Good.. Fast.. or Cheap..
Pick 2....
Fast+Good= not cheap
Cheap+Fast= not good..ect.
You said : "..shame on this builder for not owning up to it and fixing it." People who do work like that have NO shame. They just want your money
Your a braver man than me filming underneath that death trap. the people should sue the butt off who ever threw that together
I framed and built decks and screened them in for years but I'm pretty sure almost anyone can say this is an absolute mess. You got people out there that really need jobs, I'm one of them. Whoever did this needs to go try their hand at fast food or something.
No they will screw that up too. What they really need to do is stop voting! God knows somewhere there’s a ballot with their name on it.
The problem in the US is a general lack of skilled workers in the construction industry. Unfortunately, it's a race to the bottom in terms of cost which doesn't help the situation. Builders want maximum profit at little cost so they'll just hire hacks off of the street who don't have any pride in their work...let alone a true understanding of building sciences.
In most states most legislative statues are also skewed favorable towards the builder so there is very little recourse a buyer has against the builder...which again allows then to hire hacks and get away with it.
I was a brick mason for 30 years got chased out by incompetent hacks who were only good at low balling
Yep that is what I was just saying to my gf.
What part of eastern NC are you located, I am currently looking for some help in eastern NC
Well, it only needs six lag screws in the ledger since that's a load bearing window that it's sitting on.
But seriously, as a contractor of over thirty years (who actually takes pride in his work), this is horrific! It wasn't mentioned, but there were no hurricane anchors attaching the joists to the beam either. It's painful to see what some guys will throw together. Yikes!
"Load bearing window"🤣😂😂 dying laughing way too late in the night...
It's got that tough gorilla glass
I agree. I don't think they're gonna have to worry about those hurricane clips though, looks like the next heavy rain they get is gonna wash those posts out.
30 years indeed.... I'm 💯 with you.
I NEVER saw this as a 'production' ... It's an extension of who you are as a contractor. Could have:
• gone with 2x6s (12" centers)
• 4x4 corners (no brainer)
• correct amount of lags.
• ... Etc.
Also noticed...? No sawdust? Made it and then brought it? What about the concrete?
Load bearing window. Hahaa.... Exactly what I was thinking!
As a contractor all I got to say you get what you pay for going with the lowest estimate nets these kind of results seen it a thousand times .and i had to fix some contractors work after they didnt go with my bid and the smile on my face .
Seeing your description that this thing passed inspection, and knowing that city inspectors are government workers, thus immune from prosecution, I can understand why so many people ignore permitting. It's shameful, and this person should absolutely drag that inspector through the dirt on every social media out there for his obvious incompetence.
Several people die each year due to deck collapses.
I’m glad you’re pointing out all the deficiencies.
Ideally the local municipality has been made aware of this very dangerous situation.
They were, they didn’t do anything
@@rigidinspections did the homeowner build the deck himself? I can't see how the proper governmental regulating agency would approve of this hackjob from a "professional".
We say "municipality" like it mean something. Let's get this straight...they are "corporations" which are about making money.@@rigidinspections
@@HamiltonTileGA I disagree because corporations have at least some accountability. Government has virtually none, except bad publicity.
Stop snitching bit chez
Okay!! Okay!! I was drunk that day and got into an argument with my wife’s boyfriend! I refunded the customer $250.00 and gave him a coupon for the next job. Can we let it go now??? Geesh!!😡
Sounds about right.
My home (which we bought brand new) has a walk-out basement. During the walk-through before closing (and sadly after the final inspection), I noted that the deck (coming off of the first floor) was only nailed to the house, not one lag screw in sight. Also, the footings were poured in the wrong spot so the 4x4 posts were notched and then nailed to the concrete.
I politely pointed this out to the builder and they fixed it. I regret not contacting the AHJ and asking them if they really looked at the house before signing off on it.
Good thing that I had some knowledge about how it should be done (honestly probably thanks to This Old House or Home Time).
A big thanks to thorough home inspectors for their work!!!
I build a deck once. Same size as this but I used 9 posts with close to 200 lbs. of cement in each hole. Even though I didn't know what I was doing, it ended up being sturdy as hell. I got lucky. I found out later I needed a permit. The things we learn.
30 year contractor/remodeler here. I had one simple rule for everyone of my guys.
The code is the base on which we stand. It is the minimum acceptable. Everything we do will exceed that. You do that and we will get along fine.
Wtf. He never said anything about making a mistake. Tosser.
@That V8 Life that video had zero mistakes, that total ignorance and poor workmanship.
@That V8 Life A persons knowledge and abilities are seriously questionable if they don’t know the difference between a mistake and butchering a job due to gross lack of knowledge, skill incompetence or intensional corner cutting to save cost and time. Code is the minimum standard of acceptable, it is not a how to guide. If you’re a professional, you are supposed to be skilled and qualified and proud of it shown in your workmanship.
@That V8 Life ?
@That V8 Life Nice try at puting words in Richard's mouth. Perhaps you should reread what he wrote. You're the one spewing the bull. A Democrat you are?
Amazing how something like home building isn't perfected yet, and it actually gets worse as contractors try to get cheaper and work ethics are non-existent.
Backsliding seems to happen in culture for many reasons.
Insightful
My home was built in 1887....Im pretty sure that they didnt owm any straight edges or measuring tools back then.
You can thank cheap customers and cheap labor…
@@Jbrown4769 cheap customers? Housing is absurdly expensive
I once worked maintenance for a company that hired out a "carpenter" to rough in an addition over the weekend. It was a small room, about 17 X 20, and when we got there Monday morning we found it was 7 inches out of square. We had to disassembled the entire framing package and move it all over to make it square. Then, of course, everything was no longer square in the rafters and wall studs, so you can imagine all the extra work we had to do to fix the "carpenter's" mistakes.
We would've saved money and time if the company would've just let us do the construction, instead of farming it out. Nothing like clueless management to screw things up.
Yes, new homes should have a home inspection. After 10 years of home inspection, this is a sample of the many defects found in new homes.
I am an electrician and people are outraged sometimes at what I charge to do a job and I always reply you get what you pay for. This is all exposed imagine what is in that house hidden inside the walls that can kill your whole family.
What you charge 250 an hour?
And prolly take your sweet ass time on top of it.
I tell people “Cheap labor isn’t skilled, and skilled labor isn’t cheap.”
@@joshcantrell8397 , I am a Sparky too. and since you are so smart. you should sign up to learn to be a Sparky. i work for a guy. i get paid now, $26 an hour. underpaid. if i would do side jobs. i don,t but i would charge $50 a hour.
getting ready to slow down a lot. age 66 now. full retirement age. suck it up and pay me now.
The other day I went to a McDonald’s, the cash/ordering machines weren’t working and you couldn’t use a debit card so cash only. Young girl took my order. It was under 5 bucks but not a meal, three separate items. She started looking at the numbers and looked like she was in shock. I quickly added the items in my head handed her the five spot. She still was at odds so I then told her what change to give me. She said she had to get the manager so they both put their heads together and after my food was cold and the use of their phone calculator they handed me my change and said I was right. Then they asked me how did I do that. I just said basic math. I could imagine handing kids now day a tape measure and tell them to build something when they can’t even add and subtract.
I've experienced similar situations. It's STUNNING how pathetic basic education has become!
I went to Wendy's a few days ago and the girl running the cash register couldn't even count out my change with the receipt right in front of her. She truly didn't know how to give me back 39.63 in change, she had to ask her manager for help.
Well ya gotta give those wacdarnolds worker kids a break; there's only so much time in school and they're busy learning to hate America and wonder what gender they are, so who's got time to spare learning math n stuff? Heck, thats why they make phones, right?
Yep seen it at the Grocery store , girl told me she wasn't good with coins. 🤦♀️ this is partly a parent problem,,, are you parents not teaching your child ANYTHING? my husband is ow teaching our 16 year old how to do the book work and count out the registers at our business, so in the further we could take a trip out of town and have her run the business for a couple of days 👍👍 it's great experience for her
Imagine the PTSD she now has.
"This one time, a guy asked me to do math!"
The six screws😂😂😂 “ I think there’s some plumbing within like 10 feet of here, I don’t wanna take any chances”
I'm currently fixing a 1200 sq. ft. two level deck built before we bought the house. I constantly find unsound work which I remove and replace. I'm not a pro, but at least I know my work will now be structurally sound. Experience has taught me I can't trust contractors to do good work.
That's a decorative patio deck, built to be looked at only. They need a capacity sign saying maximum limit 1 person. 🤔🤣
As decorative as a polished turd.
“Maximum Limit: one stunt person with good insurance”
More like capacity of the wood it's made of only 🤔😜😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤦♂️
They need to add supports at the sides, and the outer lip, of this deck. It may be only several feet off of the ground, but that monstrosity is a death trap!
Maximum capacity: one worker to demolish it immediately before it's ever used.
Holy smokes..! This is like one of those High-Life kids books, where you have to find all the missing flaws in this project.
took me a minute to recall, but it was Highlights and The Timbertoes was my favorite comic strip... damn, I'm getting old
I screen print t-shirts and I'm always trying to get our artist to add hidden images to his art... hasn't done it yet
I googled 70's children's magazines... check out the results:
The 6 Greatest Magazines for 1970s Kids · (1) DYNAMITE · (2) CRACKED · (3) BANANAS · (4) CRAZY · (5) MAD · (6) PIZZAZZ.
I think High Life is a cannibis magazine, lol!
"Kids! Can YOU find all the things wrong with this deck??"
@@Brian-mp2mv They had the Alfred E. Neuman of deck construction working: "What, Me Worry??"
Back in my youth I framed house and did siding, the deck was an item that was considered simple and the least skilled and newest framers did that job.
None were ever in spec and all got passed by paying off the inspector. We were long gone by the time anyone discovered it and probably disbanded too.
Im an hvac guy and i built my own deck. It took me a while but its pretty good. It aint that hard to build a square deck geez. Also if i were him id wanna know how deep those footers are
First thought was "where's the support posts".... that will fall!
I was a handyman and built quite a few decks. I made them as solid as I could. I always over strengthened everything.. I saw so many that used nails and were pulling out of the ledger board / house. I always spent the extra and priced the job with best quality screws for all pieces...
I agree with you. Better to "Overdo" a project like this, than to just let this kind of mess pass as if it was done right.
Kinda makes ya wonder, if the screwballs that did this were high that day.
True, but nails have more shear strength than screws.
@@rfdfire911 - a ledger should be attached with lags, so it’s not any ordinary screw.
Looked like holes that could have cement poured into them.
Use nails not screws
That six inches over fix reminds me of every time I get work done I have to decide if asking them to fix an issue is going to be worse that living with the issue. And lord help you if you ask them to fix the fix, Frankenstein.
That’s impressively bad! It takes a lot to do something wrong in so many different ways.
Not nearly as bad but still terrible was when we bought new tile at Loews and paid them to do the installation. We were replacing the flooring in our kitchen, so it was a fairly small job (something like 80 square feet). A guy showed up and I handed him the plan - we had chosen two different sizes of tile to be laid in a simple pattern on the floor. The guy got to work laying out the tile to see where each one went, and it wasn’t even close to the design.
I helped him lay it out correctly, and he said he understood. He got to work putting down mortar, setting tiles, cutting the tiles at the edges, etc. When he was done, I gave it a quick glance and saw that the pattern was correct, so I was happy. He said he’d be back two days later to grout it.
The next day, I went into the kitchen to take a closer look. It looked awful - spacing between tiles was uneven, many tiles were a bit crooked, and the tiles weren’t level, with most having at least one side that was higher than a neighboring tile.
I called Loews to tell them not to send the guy back to grout the floor, and to request that someone come look at it. The next day, someone did. A supervisor came to look and immediately apologized for the terrible work. He said he’d come back with a team and a new batch of tile to do it over. He came back a few days later and his team started removing the tiles that were already laid. They could pop them up without any effort; it seems the original guy had just put a small dollop of mortar down and laid a tile over it. Nothing had been raked out and no mortar was put on the back of any of the tiles. Only about 25% of the back of each tile was mortared to the floor.
Anyway, the supervisor stayed to oversee the installation of the new tile and it came out great. He said that pretty much everything about the first installation was wrong. The only thing that could’ve been worse was if the guy had used the wrong mortar. My only question was how Loews could hire someone so poorly skilled to do professional tile installation. Unsurprisingly, I didn’t get an answer.
If I didn’t have a bad knee, I would’ve done it myself. I’ve laid tile before and know the basics. I just can’t get down on the floor to work. I didn’t think I needed to supervise a "professional," either. Live an learn…
Wow you're brave. I wouldn't even go under this deck to check it any further. This monster must be destroyed and rebuilt...
Even from a distance that deck is sketchy. I'd not step foot on it and you're a brave man to get under it lol.
Aww come on bro, it's all good. He's ready to install the hot tub up top now, and really enjoy that quality deck!
You can't put a hot tub on that thing.
@@johnpichla9557 Why not? 😎
Yeah, putting one there and expecting it to stay there are totally different things. ;p
@@johnpichla9557 - you could put a hot tub on that deck because it starts off empty, but as soon as enough water gets put into the hot tub … there goes the deck.
It's probably not hilarious for the homeowner, especially since it passed inspection and they probably can't get their money back. This is tragically bad in every way.
I did everything I could for them but the city and builder would not fix it. I’m just a 3rd party inspector so I have no authority unfortunately
@@rigidinspections the work is obviously substandard there is no way they wouldn't have success in court which is right where the builder and the city would be right now if it were me.
@@rigidinspections OMG! They wouldn’t fix it?? I hope they get a lawyer involved.
@@SonnyGTA this is problem with shitty work. You can’t fix that you have to rip it out and start again.
always. "fixing" something will never be as good as doing it right the first time. and like you said most of it you can't "fix"@@MrGpdp
Such wonderful workmanship. This must be a source of overwhelming personal pride for the builder of this fine home.
l had a place with a fireplace with a metal firebox.
the firebox was resting on 2X4s. thats right, in the firebox thats where the most heat was right on the bottom with wood underneath. the facing of the fire plae was thin sliced brick on drywall. a 12 foot stretch of drywall held up by maybe a dozen drywall screws
Such incompetence, thanks for exposing it.
Thank you for sharing. People need to see the workmanship of others to understand why there are codes to protect the safety of people. Good job.
Last year I got to witness a very entertaining job being done for my neighbor. She hired 2 guys to build her a new fence gate. These guys put a a 4x4 in the ground about 2 ft, screwed some regular interior door hinges to it and mounted a prebuilt wooden fence panel to it. Done. If you know anything about gates, you know they have to be cross braced and the post needs to be properly fortified to support the weight. This thing sagged and scraped the ground like you wouldn't believe and it fell completely over 3 times. Each time if fell, these guys were called back to fix their work. In the end, they ended up strapping the post to the house with metal strapping, and they put a large caster wheel on the sagging end of the fence, so that it can roll along the ground instead of scraping. It's the saddest job I've ever seen and I can see it every time I look out my bedroom window.
(Preface: This is just a question, not a judgement. I'm just curious.)
Did you, at some point, offer to fix it or rebuild it for her?
@@hiimterry2009 I did not. I actually considered it, but I overheard her talking to the 2 guys, and it sounded like she might have known them personally. They drove a white van, with no company name or logos on it. Based on the work they did, they are clearly not pros. I suspect she may have let them do it to give them much needed work. I feel like offering to fix it might come off as judgmental toward her friends/family members who did the job for her. This is just speculation though.
Carpentry for 18 years and I've never seen anything that bad. That's nuts
This is why I support having inspector's in every county and state. I know that it's aggravating but it prevents a lot of shotty work from happening.
If do their job
* shoddy
A few decades ago, Will County (Illinois) had a major inspection scandal with new homes being found structurally unsound and having to be evacuated with almost no notice. Ultimately some inspectors and at least one builder were convicted of bribery and related offenses. Some houses had to be demolished; they were missing structural supports, etc.
My dad builds decks for a living. Every time a new housing development is built, those new houses almost always have really cheap and poorly built decks like what we see in this video. Thus, people who own these houses often call my dad to come in and replace the decks with something much better and properly built.
Does he generally have to get all new materials, or is he able to reuse most of what's there?
A lot of home builders give the construction industry a bad name. As a professional caulker and waterproofer it always pisses me off that most home builders have no clue when it comes to waterproofing and sealants and the products they always use the very lowest quality products on the market.And the products they tout like quad and big stretch are all garbage. But this is criminal negligence. They can not possibly be licensed. Thank god there is an inspector.
Dude that outer joist being 6" off the support is one of the crazier things ive seen. I mean....what?!
Amazing what new home builders can get away with, same where I live. As a homeowner every time I have built something the inspector goes over it in painstaking detail but these new homes get a pass.
I live in a town that can't make up it's mind about what's acceptable. The house next door to me was remodeled, and several outside items jumped out at me as not meeting code, but apparently approved and the house is for sale. When I went to sell my house the fire inspector (that's who does the pre-sale inspections here) wrote that the whole house needs tuckpointing; even the wall that was tuckpointed before I bought the house 29 years ago (!) But he wrote that the gutters that leak like sieves at the end, and the cobbled-back-together downspouts were in acceptable condition. It's not even favoritism or corruption; it's who does which inspections.
Additionally, no cross bracing and here in New Zealand decks cannot attach to the house like that as it is a potential source of water ingress. Instead, the deck would be free standing on at least four piles.
I like my raised decks like that to be free standing as well. I'd truthfully consider steel beam construction. uprights crossmembers side rails stair forms. bolted to rebar enforced concrete pads set to below the frost line. Cause you know you want a concrete patio underneath the is thing for the walkout drive out basement. Same deal. You go a basement you gotta be able to get out easily without going back thru the house.
It foolish to not.
Or into bedrock. And you have to have stairs off the deck. So you can get off the thing without going back thru the house.
@@jerrykinnin7941 We don't have a frost line to worry about here in New Zealand, but yeah I can understand that in colder climes 👍
So do attach it at all to the house in new Zealand?
Is there a sheep 🐏🐑 bounce test for new decks?
@@JS-jh4cy Nope. The deck must be fully self supported with a minimum distance of about 20mm between the house and the deck. Prevents any water ingress.
Somehow bad deck construction videos feel like ASMR to me
OMG!! BEEN A CONTRACTOR FOR YEARS AND I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH HACKERY. HOPE THEY DIDN'T PAY THOSE CLOWNS.
Wow I'd be scared even walking under that heavy deck with those 6 tiny bolts
Sure does look like they cut it twice and it was still too short
extremely rare to see anything like this before 1990
If you get back in the same area in a month or two you should do an informal follow up if you don't get hired to do an official reinspection just so we can see what they do with it.
This just unlocked a core memory about a young coworker who was related to my boss at the time. Hate to think that he might still be up to his same old shenanigans but this reeks of the boy
I'm a carpenter's daughter, AND assistant. THAT was the Worst deck job I've EVER seen! Shame on whoever 'passed' that deck was insuring that people WILL get hurt. Hmph!
Owners, please wise up!
You should have seen the deck on our first home. It was built as a model of all things, but we got it as a fixer upper after the took all the "model" extras out. So, we got it at a decent price. But the deck was a second story cantilevered off a cantilever. Ledger was just nailed on the outside of the siding & joists were nailed to the ledger with no hangers. Supported only by two 4x4 legs that were not set on any footers. They just piled some dirt around the bottoms to make it look like they were sunk into the ground but weren't. And worst of all, they didn't have long enough 4x4s so they cut the ends at a 45 and just nailed two 4x4s together lapped at the 45 with about 20 FINISH nails, then puttied and painted over it to hide the lap! Try to picture that for a minute because it makes no sense but that's what they did. It was one of the many things we pulled off and rebuilt on that house. But I'm trying to imagine how much they must have paid off the inspector to get all that "approved." And if ours had been a model, just how bad the non-models in that neighborhood were.
As a retired Home Inspector, I can't begin to tell you how many decks I've inspected w/problems like this.
What happens when it fails inspection. Does it get rebuilt again?
@@junior17medval Either that, or the Contractor loses his "Contractor's Bond" to have it done right, and can't work until he posts a new Bond.
@@junior17medval I left as is and didn't get involved at that point after the inspection. Obviously I put it in the worst column and write a short thorough description and as Non-Useable Unsafe. Covered my ass.
@@neilouellette3004 so if you inspected a house or deck and it fails inspection, you just leave and don't go back?
@@jayframes4967 The Home Inspection is for the current existing condition of the home at the time of inspection only. This isn't a town or city building inspector inspection. Even if a contractor is going to rebuild or repair the deck the very next day, it doesn't matter. It's the condition of the deck at the time and day of the Home Inspection.
Short and to the point and interesting. Subscribed and thumbs up.
Thank you!
Looks like the kind of work done in western North Carolina or North Georgia. A lot of these contractors are in such a hurry to get the job done. The quality is gone you find someone that does good work they tell you one price then when the job is done they charge double
When I hired a plumber and an electrician to do work I was very careful. Thank God it worked out.
Now I am remodeling my house
Lots of books and Utube out there
helped me a lot taking winter off.
Take the time do it right
I used to build forts in the trees as a kid. That doesn't mean I'm a carpenter now. lol.
This is why I’m a DIYer whenever possible. You never know what you’re going to get when you hire someone else. It’s worse now with the skilled labor shortage.
WOW! it takes a special kind of skill to be able to just pull it off this poorly!
Kind of like Jack Benny and Werner Kempner. They both were very good violinists which enabled characters they portrayed to be very bad violinists.
Plenty strong enough. Yep to support two small digs one at a time. Can remember when the deck crase started in my area back in the early 1980's. Homeowners would only use two 4 by 4" post to support 16 to 20' wide decks. Had to replace themwith 2 or 3 6 by 6" post.
Tell me you have never watched an episode of This Old House without telling me you've never watched an episode of This Old House!
Tom Silva would definitely not approve.
Not even the most liberal building inspector would even begin to pass this! Whoever did this, oughta have their head examined...after being fired for this huge failure. This Deck could fail at any time, and cause anybody on it some serious injuries.
Big-Time!
Definition of a "building inspector". A deck builder that went out of business!
@@kenhurley4441 Sounds about right... especially if they did this kind of slop work!
It must be exhausting to always bring politics into everything.
@@randlemarsh I'll say what I want to say! The First Amendment of the U. S. Constitution guarantees me the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Opinion, and the Freedom of Choice, as to whether I say what I want to say, or not.
I don't back down from ANYBODY, Sir!
Happy 4th of July to ya. You know... Independence Day! Also: The Declaration of Independence guarantees me the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I'm an American-How about YOU?!?
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@@ronaldshank7589 Nobody said that you couldn't. Stop being a snowflake. It's just bizarre that you bring politics into a video of a someone that doesn't know how to build a deck. Happy independence day to you as well! The day that patriots fought against government and it's cops!
They should have used a whole roll of duct tape to hold it all together... For safety lol 🤣😜
Maybe some zip ties?
Nah, gorilla tape!
In these times of trouble in our nation, with bad news constantly filtering through our poor minds, it is wonderful to come across a video like this. I haven't had such a good laugh in I don't know when. We owe a great debt of gratitude to whomever did this job.
Just from the thumbnail pic I was like "WTF" lol
That's a lawsuit waiting to happen
Starting to go through information to figure out what I want to do to fix up my deck a little. I can say, as a 100% amateur, I wouldn't even call this deck okay for one person to relax on let alone a normal size group that could be expected to end up out there.
I'm starting to feel the confidence in my own instincts building already.
Ya the idiots that my landlord hired to build our deck for cheap did a shit job . Those two were drunk i believe.
All I have to say to prove this is ..... they used OSB as decking!!!
Iam redoing it as we speak ,without redoing everything its really just polishing a turd!!
@@abitoffblacksmithing9985 man that's rough. My previous landlord sent two handymen over to check on a leak upstairs that I couldn't find the source of. Instead of checking upstairs first, they made me move everything in the room out of the room, cut a huge hole in the ceiling and left. Said they would be back th3 next day with a plumber and drywall to finish the job. Simple fix of the hose going to the toilet.
A week went by and nobody came. When I called back, the receptionist acted like she had no idea of any work being done at my place. She scheduled two more guys to come take a look. They got there and it was two different people. They said none of their guys would have done that, leaving a big sloppily cut hole in the ceiling and just disappearing.
They tried saying that I did it myself. I assured them the guys were there. I told them the first guys names, gave descriptions of them and their truck. They said nobody like that works with them.
These two guys left and came back that same day with a whole brand new toilet, installed it and said they would be back the next day to double check for leaks and if it's all good they'll repair the ceiling.
They never showed up. Instead of waiting a week, I called that night. Office closed early. Called the next morning and the receptionist said, _again_ that she didn't have any open work requests for my place.
I knew about a local corner store that my landlord owned, so I went to the bar across the street from it with the intention of sitting there on my phone, looking up the phone number of his corner store and getting in touch with him that way, since his landlord office was obviously up to something and wouldn't put me in touch with him.
I walk in and see him sitting right there at the bar having a drink. LOL
Now, usually when we have seen eachother, I'll have a shave and dress somewhat professionally, but when I went to the bar I had no intention of meeting up with him. Just wanted to get my eyes on his store, see the correct spelling of the name, get the right address and from there find the phone number. I hadn't planned it much from there. Maybe pretend to be one of his suppliers or something that and get his personal cellphone number so I could talk to him directly about the issue.
He was very rarely in town, always going to Florida and North Carolina and other places, working on buying up other properties to rent out, so I had a very unique opportunity to talk with him face to face, and I realised that he might not recognize me right away since I was unshaven, wearing beat up work bluejeans and an army jacket and a baseball cap.
Sat there for awhile having a drink, monitoring his drinks so I could come up with something before he left. I came up with at least the beginning of a plan.
I walked over and sat down a couple stools away from him and asked if he knows of any good specials here, because I'm ready for another beer. He started talking about this draught and that deal etc. and it was pretty obvious he didn't recognise me, so I asked the bartender for one of those drinks, slapped a $50 down and said "His next round is on me, whatever he wants".
Over the next twenty minutes or so, I managed to carefully steer the conversation into the story of the handyman problems, and I could tell he was looking at me a little closer and starting to probe more about me personally, asking where I live, how long have you been there, stuff like that. I could tell he was getting a little nervous, but he still didn't recognise me.
I ended up telling him that the reason I came down to the pub was to have a couple drinks in celebration, because I've sent all my security camera video to a lawyer who took my case and who will be contacting the slumlord tomorrow to drag his aas to court for unsuitable living conditions and they'll probably lock him up when they audit every receipt, work order, book and computer file in his entire office.
Let's just say, things got fixed awfully quick, the very next morning, all day for two days, for some strange reason.
I got very lucky finding him at the bar, but I'm going to let him think that I was some sort of mastermind who tracked him down and actually had security cameras and a lawyer.
LMAO
@@abitoffblacksmithing9985 reminds me of the tv platform that was at my local dirt track. It was a three story platform with telephone poles as supports, the joists I’m not even sure we’re spaced correctly, and plywood for flooring. It had been out in the weather for 20 plus years. I went up in it a few times last year and it was completely not safe. It was tore down this year before racing season. It was built for ESPN in the 70’s I believe as they broadcasted ESPN from there. Of course this is a track legends such as aj floyt, poncho carter, Jeff Gordon and tony steward among many other racing legends got thief start in sprint cars.
Oh man, that's gonna come crashing down sooner than later in a few rainstorms!... 😒🙀
I would make then tear it all down and start over. What a pathetic excuse for workmanship. Please post the contractors business name, so people know to avoid them.
I remember I had these people do my shower they installed the tiles I came in the next day and they were all over the shower floor broken - I called the contractor and told him he was pissed as he was going to have to eat a whole bunch of money. At this point I didn't care as they gutted the whole shower and when I came in to check the work I realized they were using old wood to frame it. I am like what the hell are you all doing - the contractor was terrible but he replaced all the old wood and put in what I paid for.
What a ridiculous mess! I was a self-employed remodeler/deck builder for 30 years. Many customers had commented to me things like- "I could park my F-350 on this deck". I once built a 2-level deck where the upper, smaller, level was only accessible via a second floor door. Customer later sold the house, but buyer had a stipulation- "Upper level deck must be able to support an 8-person hot tub". Inspected, approved, & when I drive by there to this day I can see the big hot tub up there. Wasn't built with that in mind, that's how I built ALL my decks!
Builders "Larry, Moe, & Curly" have ZERO skill, ZERO pride!
One issue with todays "contractors" is that if the material does not fit in their Chevy van then it does NOT belong on a job...???
There are too many guys that don't own the equipment to pick up the proper materials or are too cheap/ stupid to have them delivered.
Never mind a poorly executed plan… this shoddy workmanship is just plain DANGEROUS. God help the homeowners if they ever put a hot tub on THIS deck!!
@@BaconTomatoCheese An ice filled cooler would end it
@@BaconTomatoCheese Even a hot cup of coffee might be risky.
I love the flashing on the window, lol
I'm a retired contractor and this video seems to illustrate the fact that most times it's actually easier to build it correctly than to build it wrong. They had to move the deck 6" and they had to cut and install the ridiculous fill-in blocks above the window. Yikes!
Sadly, I’ve seen much worse. At least it’s level! That ledger connection, though… that’s real special. How does one place a ledger right below a window without looking up? How is that possible?
Maybe window added, relocated after the ledger was attached?
Good observations. I no nothing about construction and i can spot the obvious but you sure went into detail and spotted all the smaller things. Yes it's funny to see such a build.
The ledger is what really fucks me up.
I am not contractor but should the pillar / concrete pillar be raised above the ground to avoid water going into the wood column especially it is sloping down. If those pillars are rotten, the whole deck will fall and someone will be hurt. By the way, just eyeball at 2:01, I don't think the columns are straight. Thanks for the video.
The liability for this kind of stuff. Imagine when that collapses and the resulting lawsuits. Crazy stuff.
This is why i did my own! I cannot afford or trust some contractors. I got a permit. I researched all the code and i followed it to the letter! Our deck was a rebuild to replace the shoddy work! Two new carrier beams set on 6 concrete piers set 3 ft in the ground. A little over kill for a 12 ft. X 22 ft deck. Nothing was flashed right. I had to tear out all the rotting sill plates and replaced, flashed everything out. All the joist hangers were rotting because they used improper hardware. Material costs were abour $2500. All the fasteners and hardware was Simpson Strongtite. The pressure treated 5/4 turned out to be sub par. Luckily this was before all the covid insanity!
Just because someone is Italian it doesn't mean there restauran has good food you get my point.
That's a manslaughter charge, if ever I seen one 😂
I showed this to my Japanese builders and they were so shocked and couldn't believe this video is real at all.
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I showed this comment to my Shiba Inu and he couldn't believe the balls of some people
I feel like this is the quality of work that 90% of the contractors in my area do. It's pretty awful.
That's why you have to research learn and do things yourself out here in California they feel they have to charge as much as it costs to build an entire house just for a room addition it's not worth it
It's the same in my area, people say I'm pricey, but I'm bidding against guys that do this kind of work.
I've had them call me to come tear apart what the other guys have done and do it right.
Multiple times.
The public is led to believe the license says they know what they are doing when in fact the license gives them the right to charge you double and do a shitty job because contractors dont actually do work. They hire unqualified individuals or sub out to the lowest bidder. Once they are paid they dont care and if this slips past inspection your family pays with physical harm or death do diligence research and never ever pay till job is completed.
@@Conservativeblackman this is why I say talk to people you know, buy books on carpentry, buy your own materials and do the build yourself, help family and friends ,and have them help you, a $ 100,000 job is only about $10,000 in materials
@@richardarsenault1471 right!
Bonus points if that deck is built by the framing crew. If it is, run! 😂
I had a friend (cardiologist) who built a house with a deck.
He had a house warming party and the deck fell off the side of the house..
One heavy lady broke her back.
Lawsuits went on for over 10 years...
It was in West Virginia, need I say more...
Oh my!!!
What's a cardiologist doing building a house?
Everyone involved in this should be held accountable. The inspector should be suspended or fired and MADE to take a class on how to inspect structures.
Why would you fire a building inspector, in order to train them?
So they could learn the proper steps and procedures for inspecting a structure.@@codymoe4986
"I found someone that can do it cheaper."
You willingly walked underneath that thing? Brave.
Welcome to the modern world where guidance or rules have replaced actual thought. The box ticking culture has a lot to answer for, not least of all the failure to pass valuable skills between generations of contractors.
Wow very thoughtful! But wait, aren't building code's "guidance"s and rules"?
@@jayframes4967 I think that was wrapped up in his comment. If someone checks boxes thinking they are following the code without actually thinking about why things are supposed to be a certain way you end up with box checkers who cannot problem solve.
We no longer have PRIDE in our work anymore!
Quite the disaster! Just a couple of points. The outer joist, hanging off the support beam is not a rim joist. A rim joist runs perpendicular to the main joists. It looks as if the 4by4 posts are set in the ground. Code is six inches minimum earth to wood.
Doubled up 2by material for beams is never a great idea as water gets between then and causes accelerated rot. Code would require the top of the sistered beam to be flashed.
The joist attached to the house needs to be a three by and needs either stand offs or flashing at the house.
That’s just a start to the problems with this deck!
In Ontario we don’t need 3by material for the rim board on the house and the sistered beam follows code for a retrofit after permit is closed. However, this deck is a disaster and would never pass inspection. They can always make the deck self-supporting but have a 5/16” gap between the siding and first deck board.
Those look like 6x6s to me not 4x4s
Damn never thought about putting flashing over our beams. But silly me put flashing ready where else even double flashed with that tar aluminum tape & coil by slider & garage!
Well at least they notched their posts. Bless their little hearts