Man. When I was growing up, I was watching a wooden fence support beam near my house age and rot throughout the years before collapsing to the winds. I can't imagine ONE wooden beam supporting an entire structure like that! Seeing a deck, walls, stairs, a roof and what looks like furniture inside being supported by ONE skinny beam SCREAMS death trap!
This is crazy. How could any "professional" build this? I built a 14x22 deck (fully permitted and inspected) and I used TWELVE 6x6 posts on 12" diameter concrete piers sunk down 4'. And this deck is 2-5' off the ground depending on grade. Then again I'm a mech engineer and I may have an "over-engineering" problem lol.
Can't say I'd want to be standing under there. I wonder if people realize just how much weight that is. That's asking a lot of that post... Ultra dangerous.
Just one post 6x4 even if it was a 6x6 i wouldn't be happy walking away from it thinking it would sramd the test of time. The only option in my eyes for a one post is a steel post
im not even close to consider myself a commercial/professional builder, yet all the projects i work on are 1000% more secure. i have never built a deck yet i know enough that beams need support and should be attached to each other!
But yet someone installed new decking?? A homeowner just fired me after tear off because I wouldn't install trex decking because deck framing was 30 years old and had significant bowing and roofing nails in Hanger's and several other issues. I never had that happen before and I've been building decks for 35 years! I'm good with that!👍🏻
in my city the inspectors are builders that went bankrupt for issues with their projects---they often don't know what's a problem and they are not responsible for any future failures
I think the coolest thing is that it's still doing fine even with all the load on it. I've demo'd plenty of manufactured homes that looked like they had been assembled by tweakers who only had access to popsicle sticks, and those homes were still going strong, even after 40+ years in areas with a high snow load. Personally, I think building codes are written by insurance companies and manufacturers in order to drive up insurance liability costs for contractors and squeeze more money out of homeowners. Just my two cents anyways...
There’s nothing inherently incorrect with the sistered joist/built-up beam being notched/rabbeted only to the first member of the rim, as long as it’s fastened per an approved nailing schedule. The problem is the span and load require at least one additional, properly sized column support.
I don't believe thats true. The rim is now acting as a flush beam in this construction which requires a double rim. It's a double for a reason. Both need to be fully resting on top of the post with an appropriate strong tie connector. Definitely needs another post at the stairs as well.
There are times when money needs to be put into the things that hold other things up. A high deck like this and supporting a roof- - - we start with brick and block pillars. All that weight on sticks.🦇
The fix doesn't look complicated at all. Carriage bolts and four 6x6 will fix that right up. If it were me I would also replace the edge board with two 2x8's. 2x6 works but not enough margin for me.
That thing needs at least three new uprights to take that load. Replace the rotten one, and put two new ones under their stairs? Better hope that roof doesn’t see any snow before it’s fixed. Don’t matter you are on earth hail it’s always a thing.
Built by the lowest bidder. This is always the case. If you can't afford a safe deck this year, wait until next year. I see this time and time again. Now the owners are really going to have to dish out probably twice the money to make this legal. The is an old saying that still stands true today. " It's expensive to save money"
I built sturdier and more well designed tree forts when I was a kid....seriously who are the hacks that put something like this up and think it's fine?
@@brianmcdowell7377 Ever see that show "Treehouse Masters"...me and my buddies were the 1980's version of that...just on a slightly smaller scale/budget. At least that's how I remember it.....
@@brianmcdowell7377 Well I could have...if it weren't for those rabid squirrels that lived in the trees and wouldn't let us near them...I still have nightmares about being chased by little furry rodents foaming from the mouth...those were dark days....
Fix though. Add a beam under the rim joist. Pocket it at the house,support it with a new 6x6 and attach the stairs to it. YOU probably want to tear the entire deck down and cost the homeowners 25g
A 4x6 can hold something like 30,000lbs on a vertical like that. Its now bowing because of the load, its bowed because it was wet wood when the deck was build. The reason to use a 6x6 is not because of load capacity as this video implies, it is because of cross forces due to wind etc. Honestly, your lack of understanding in this one area hurts the creditability of everything else you have said.
Your comments seem subjective. "you would..." You prefer...." Should you mention codes and loads min to justify comments? Here in Chicago decks are required to be 100 lbs/sqft with massive metal braces, bolts, connectors and more requirements than rural areas would ever encounter.
Things stand, until they don't. Just like you can bend a paper clip several times, before it breaks. Now, try bending rebar back and forth until it breaks... You can build a deck like a paper clip, or you can build it like rebar. Your choice.
I would have 3 more supports. One at the opposite end. And one on either side of the steps. With the supports at the steps you could wall it up with a door and have some storage too.
One wooden post is prone to rotting and collapsing. God forbid Termites find that ONE post. And don't get me started on what would happen if you had a party on that deck.
Man. When I was growing up, I was watching a wooden fence support beam near my house age and rot throughout the years before collapsing to the winds. I can't imagine ONE wooden beam supporting an entire structure like that! Seeing a deck, walls, stairs, a roof and what looks like furniture inside being supported by ONE skinny beam SCREAMS death trap!
That is a post, beams run horizontal
@@brianmcdowell7377 okay
This is crazy. How could any "professional" build this? I built a 14x22 deck (fully permitted and inspected) and I used TWELVE 6x6 posts on 12" diameter concrete piers sunk down 4'. And this deck is 2-5' off the ground depending on grade. Then again I'm a mech engineer and I may have an "over-engineering" problem lol.
Your house will collapse before your deck will!
Can't say I'd want to be standing under there. I wonder if people realize just how much weight that is. That's asking a lot of that post... Ultra dangerous.
Just one post 6x4 even if it was a 6x6 i wouldn't be happy walking away from it thinking it would sramd the test of time. The only option in my eyes for a one post is a steel post
Wow! The whole thing just looks sketchy from far away. Like a little matchstick holding it up.
The deck isn’t built to support itself ,let alone the roof and stair system above. My thoughts exactly.
It’ll be fine! Calm down!
im not even close to consider myself a commercial/professional builder, yet all the projects i work on are 1000% more secure. i have never built a deck yet i know enough that beams need support and should be attached to each other!
Knowing this was a deck that was actually inspected... imagining all of the decks that go up that aren't inspected is quite scary.
Gov/city inspections are more so for control then giving a dam about your safety.
Yes I agree that support beam is totally inadequate for that load.
But yet someone installed new decking?? A homeowner just fired me after tear off because I wouldn't install trex decking because deck framing was 30 years old and had significant bowing and roofing nails in Hanger's and several other issues. I never had that happen before and I've been building decks for 35 years! I'm good with that!👍🏻
The big question is now, how it went through inspection after being build. In my area whenever you try to build something a city inspector comes.
in my city the inspectors are builders that went bankrupt for issues with their projects---they often don't know what's a problem and they are not responsible for any future failures
Money. Do you really need to ask? It's always money. Even if indirectly.
@@andyking9673my city, city inspector must hold state buildings license for 5 years minimum and u have to work for the city only
That is very repairable structure. The joists don't get wet with the porch above so no rot. Just need to replace one post and add a couple more.
You are a brave man for standing under that.
What's the correlation between "not a fan of something" and it being "not to code"?
Good Job !~!~ Your a Good Inspector !~!~
Took a lot of guts to walk under that. That lone bent 4X4 looked like it could snap inwards any second.
Is the homeowner on the hook for this work or can you sue the contractors for building a clearly inadequate and unsafe deck?
I think the coolest thing is that it's still doing fine even with all the load on it. I've demo'd plenty of manufactured homes that looked like they had been assembled by tweakers who only had access to popsicle sticks, and those homes were still going strong, even after 40+ years in areas with a high snow load. Personally, I think building codes are written by insurance companies and manufacturers in order to drive up insurance liability costs for contractors and squeeze more money out of homeowners. Just my two cents anyways...
You can almost guarantee some type of deck structural issues on a house with dutch lap siding.
Wow, what a piece of trash. What did they do to fix it?
what is the end result of these inspections? does the builder have to tear it down and re-do it?
How did that ever pass inspection?
There’s nothing inherently incorrect with the sistered joist/built-up beam being notched/rabbeted only to the first member of the rim, as long as it’s fastened per an approved nailing schedule.
The problem is the span and load require at least one additional, properly sized column support.
I don't believe thats true. The rim is now acting as a flush beam in this construction which requires a double rim. It's a double for a reason. Both need to be fully resting on top of the post with an appropriate strong tie connector. Definitely needs another post at the stairs as well.
There are times when money needs to be put into the things that hold other things up. A high deck like this and supporting a roof- - - we start with brick and block pillars. All that weight on sticks.🦇
The fix doesn't look complicated at all. Carriage bolts and four 6x6 will fix that right up. If it were me I would also replace the edge board with two 2x8's. 2x6 works but not enough margin for me.
That thing needs at least three new uprights to take that load. Replace the rotten one, and put two new ones under their stairs?
Better hope that roof doesn’t see any snow before it’s fixed. Don’t matter you are on earth hail it’s always a thing.
Nice
Come to Mississippi and you'll see even better-
Lol... "cut a shim."
Built by the lowest bidder. This is always the case. If you can't afford a safe deck this year, wait until next year. I see this time and time again. Now the owners are really going to have to dish out probably twice the money to make this legal. The is an old saying that still stands true today. " It's expensive to save money"
Big question:
How do you get into inspecting?
@@tailgatecarpenter26
Wow
I hear ya
Nice undercover work, lol!
Load calc. indicate additional column(s) required!…beyond that a host of other issues…
So this guy has a roughly 12x16 deck in the air supported by 1 leg on 1 board..I would be scared to let my cat walk on that
The axial load for a 4x6 is going to average around 10,000 lbs
Its called a rim joist and I would argue with you on the MAJOR structural comment
I built sturdier and more well designed tree forts when I was a kid....seriously who are the hacks that put something like this up and think it's fine?
No you didnt, stop lying
@@brianmcdowell7377 Ever see that show "Treehouse Masters"...me and my buddies were the 1980's version of that...just on a slightly smaller scale/budget. At least that's how I remember it.....
@@tyslink no you didnt
@@brianmcdowell7377 Well I could have...if it weren't for those rabid squirrels that lived in the trees and wouldn't let us near them...I still have nightmares about being chased by little furry rodents foaming from the mouth...those were dark days....
@@tyslink i believw you now because I have the same dream. Sometimes a family of kestrels swoop in and protect me
How can you comment on the adequacy of the construction when when you don’t know it violates the code
deck inspector here..
Does anybody know if this deck is still standing
I bet you this will still be standing in 20 years
I don't care if the second header had positive support or not, its still undersized.
Turns out there's a reason why structural engineers exist, eh? ;)
A structural engineer isn't needed for that. Just a bit of experience and common sense
I wouldn't stand under that let alone on it
It’s one thing to Bootleg in a deck, and another to do a poor Job. What a shame.
To je zase nějaký tajný spiknutí?!
Fix though. Add a beam under the rim joist. Pocket it at the house,support it with a new 6x6 and attach the stairs to it. YOU probably want to tear the entire deck down and cost the homeowners 25g
From the Fortnite school of carpentry.
Oh lord
A 4x6 can hold something like 30,000lbs on a vertical like that. Its now bowing because of the load, its bowed because it was wet wood when the deck was build. The reason to use a 6x6 is not because of load capacity as this video implies, it is because of cross forces due to wind etc. Honestly, your lack of understanding in this one area hurts the creditability of everything else you have said.
Boo hoo! 😨😨😨
Your comments seem subjective. "you would..." You prefer...." Should you mention codes and loads min to justify comments? Here in Chicago decks are required to be 100 lbs/sqft with massive metal braces, bolts, connectors and more requirements than rural areas would ever encounter.
If it's that bad of a job why is it still standing ?
cuz it hasnt given way yet. thats the point--it aint built to last long
Things stand, until they don't. Just like you can bend a paper clip several times, before it breaks.
Now, try bending rebar back and forth until it breaks... You can build a deck like a paper clip, or you can build it like rebar. Your choice.
I would have 3 more supports. One at the opposite end. And one on either side of the steps. With the supports at the steps you could wall it up with a door and have some storage too.
One wooden post is prone to rotting and collapsing. God forbid Termites find that ONE post.
And don't get me started on what would happen if you had a party on that deck.