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I've been buying cars for over 50 years, and by far, dealerships provide the absolute WORST service. Find a good independent garage and stick with them.
Yep, stay away!
I did that
you cant trust independent either
It’s the dealer mark ups that don’t help.
Dealer markups then deprecation is legalized robbery
that plus with Tesla they don't play the haggle games and B.S dealers do
So glad that it's illegal to have dealer markups in canada. Used vehicles are still at the discretion of supply and demand.
You would rather just pay the manufacturers markups
@@ironGenre9ight They just cost you $40000 in 2 years LOL🤦♂️
Shocker, a former dealership guy likes dealerships….
He’s a joke
Dealerships only work for dealerships. Hence all the ridiculous add on stickers and dealer mark-ups over MSRP. They just proved this during the recession. Tesla has lowered prices due to competition, which you have not seen from traditional dealerships.
The truth is every business is out for themselves and their owners. The only way you "win" buying cars is to do it as seldom as possible.
Elon lowered the prices because the Federal tax credit expired.
What I hated was here's MSRP, here's dealer markup 10k, here manufacture rebate 3k. Look, if you buy, you get savings of 3k! I really hated that there are fellow Americans that would fall for that.
So I should be mad that tesla lowered its prices more than a dealer charging matkups!?
@@mrstinky2421 Even OEMs lower prices (using mfg rebates and dealer kickbacks). What is bad is when the manufacturer offers a rebate and the dealerships increase their markup to offset the rebates.
Gee, why might a potential customer want to avoid an excess fee charging, custom undercoating, glass etching, nitrogen filled tires, filing fees, 1200 alarm systems, four box spread sheeting, let me talk to my manager dealership?
Wait....2018 is 3 years old ? Its 6 years old on the planet i live on. 😂😂😂😂
Math is hard
LOL. I had to go double check the release date of the video thinking I would see 2021 but it was released 1 day ago.
I caught that too….
Another glitch in the matrix a few of us have caught on to.
I honestly don’t like dealer’s they take too long to sell a car. 3 hours vs 15 min buying direct
Bought my car from a commercial truck dealer. Time negotiating was two minutes. Time in the F&I office was 15 minutes, only because I let them show me extended warranty options.
The problem isn't the existence of dealers. The problem is how most dealers chose to treat customers.
Your first reason makes no sense. You’re saying dealerships speak to manufacturers. Ok sure. But the buyers can do that directly. Again dealerships provide no meaningful value add. Give me service centers nothing more.
Nah man. You're not going to convice me the dealer is fighting for the customer.
These new car dealerships are like mini kingdoms that control their territory like hawks.
The ultimate goal of any for profit business is profit. If you're not looking to keep the black above the red. That's fine.
Doing nice things for the community are fine too but it's all marketing at the end of the day even if it's a genuinely nice thing you want to do.
The reason why we want to buy from the manufacturer is because there will be less overhead. Dealers are out here just marking up prices whenever they see blood in the water when the manufacturer is going to sell it at MSRP worst case.
Used cars are different. It makes sense why they will always exist. There's value in someone reselling cars especially when they take the time to recondition them so you're not buying some questionable dumpster fire from the dude across the neighborhood.
Tesla is the only manufacturer that sells direct to consumers and so there really isn't a fair comparison. If anything, you would have to look how new cars are bought in other countries since the independent new car dealer is really only in the US and it's a racket protected by a massive national lobby that keeps them around instead of letting the market decide how we want to buy vehicles.
Tesla can do what it does because they are playing a different game than GM, Ford, and Toyota are playing.
You are. Right the dealership do not care about you they care about selling a car for as much as they can all those mark ups are putting the dealership in a bad place
I can't wait to buy directly from manufacturer
Customers drive the market. What dealers did during Covid was the final nail in the coffin. Outrageous markups, mandatory “prep fees” and “protection packages”…people are smart and have caught on. More consumers than not do not want to even go into a dealer. They prefer to handle it all online and I’d bet, even pay a small premium to do so. There is no value in working with a dealer anymore, unless you value being hassled and want to hire a forensic accountant to actually locate the final OTD price.
Carmax and Carvana (to an extent) are successful for this reason on the sales side. No BS sales tactics. Price is price.
Those 69k dealerships are the reason why SO many dealerships GOUGED customers. I'd much rather buy straight from the manufacturer.
First video in a while that I disagree with Chevy Dude, new car dealerships are not there for the consumer and never had. There is a an argument for small used car dealers like Chevy Dude's own dealer but franchise new car dealers? They are mostly run by corporations and are there to squeeze every single penny they can from the consumer. I'd rather buy invoice from the manufacturer if they sold it that way.
Most of the arguments he does here agaisnt direct selling involve Elon which he an outlier when it comes to the car marketplace
dealer direct means you always pay MSRP. what makes you think OEMs would sell at dealer invoice price?
@@mcantu197 Ok, lets say they sell at MSRP. I rather pay MSRP than 5k over it just because the dealer says so.
@@MR3DDevI’d also rather have the opportunity to pay under MSRP. The biggest thing is that you have many different options in dealerships, but most people want to be able to just go in, buy and get out. With any large purchase, you want to have the ability to negotiate prices. Without that, you have one company controlling all of the prices with no option. Don’t blame dealers for the ignorance of the customer. Just because you got screw’d on a deal doesn’t mean it’s the dealer’s fault.
@@Coonazz791I never understand why people defend a store that mistreats consumers and on top even shames saying is the fault of the consumer. Why is it that you can buy almost anything without having to haggle this much and only when it comes to cars is ok that they give you a hard time?
@@MR3DDev because not being able to haggle isn’t always a good thing. That used to be an everyday thing, now we let others decide what it’s worth to us instead of us deciding what it’s worth. We got lazy and expect to always have the best deal on something even if that deal isn’t the best deal. We just assume it is.
no middleman to jack up the prices when you go direct to consumer lol
Comes from a man that wants to have his own dealership.
😂😂😂 A car dealer trying to convince us that we should buy from car dealers and not manufactures 😂😂😂
also if chevrolet reduced msrp’s, it would have the same effect
That dealer markup is crazy though. I looked at a new truck last week with $7,000 market adjustment fee not to mention the ridiculously overpriced add-on like $400 for nitrogen filled tires. Dealership is good for some but direct would be a good option if it helps avoid markups
I like what your saying & all this was factual 7 years ago but today with 30k markups on a base model from a dealership this is proven incorrect.
Dealers are at fault for people wanting to buy directly from manufacturers. So ef the dealers
OK, if buying from dealers is better then why do you have many videos on how not to get ripped off or scammed from a dealer?, buying Direct you don't have that, Ive bought from a dealer recently and a family member who bought a Tesla, the Tesla process from my observations was way easier and less stressful then from dealers. Pricing, while in person, i had to be smarter then the dealer and dodge the B.S to get price i want, Tesla price you see on website is what you pay done, very transparent!, financing either through Tesla or your own bank no scamming finance person. The Tesla service centers fix only their cars and they fix things no questions asked, no up selling like dealer service depts do, also Telsa service centers will send a service person to your work or house for service, Ive seen it done, local dealers service don't do that.
As for the price changes, when does Chevy or Ford cut their MRSPs they never do, Tesla will lower prices based on market and or price of materials, every product does that, even house prices fluctuate. In the end, its up to the consumer to decide.
When we bought the wife's Lexus, I had to teach the dealership guy how to set the limit of the tailgate upswing so you don't hit something overhead, like a garage door. Of course I learned about it from RUclips while researching to buy.
My brother ordered a new Ford Maverick from the factory. Had to wait well over a year to get it. Almost 2 months more after they notified him it was built. But once it was delivered to the dealer, they sat with him in the truck and showed him how to use it. They also took care of him with some minor physical issues on the truck, and gave him another tank of gas to come back later to have the minor issues corrected when the parts came in.
I just want to pay MSRP + Tax, title, & license.
So dealer markup is looking out for the customers. Learn something new every day.
FYI my experience says the dealer will 🖕 you just as fast as the manufacturer will. Try again
Ordering directly from manufacturer works best for the customer in California because they'll have to sell it to you at that advertised price. Ergo dealers can't mark it up or add unwanted items for am additional cost. That's how I got my bronco at msrp not marked up 30k
For the life of me I can't come up with a single reason I would ever want/need to move my car without me in it, "cool" or not.
A fair bit of manufacturers do it. Even Hyundai and kia have that feature. It's only to get people out of the car and then slide it into a tight spot or vice versa.
You lost me at trying to convince me that dealers keeping used car prices high is to my benefit.
I can see arguments on both sides of this debate. It's a given that manufacturers are not "for the customer". They are for maximizing profits at all costs. On the other hand, they don't call dealerships "stealerships" for no reason. The price gouging, steep markups above MSRP, pushing useless add-ons & worthless extended warranties. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Ultimately, the market will always have the last word.
Unfortunately the market won't have the last word because in the US the auto market isn't a free market system. Because of massive money poured in by the auto lobby we don't have the choice to order a car directly from the OEM, we are forced to deal with a middleman called a dealership whose sole purpose is the make money and they know this so they take advantage of the many people.
Well im a old man old school. I don't care about all that technology. The average man trying to support a family can't afford them anymore. I came across one on fire after a accident. Im a retired trucker. Let me tell ya the fire department could not put the battery fire out. I stayed about 3 hrs on the scene. They were discussing how to move it off interstate on fire. Good luck on your battery cars . I will never own on.
Based on miles driven, EVs are about 90% less likely to catch fire; when they do, they're going to be more problematic and require more attention. There's trade-off in just about everything.
@@toddwright662 wow this is dejavo. I was picked up today at airport by uber to get my semi to drive back to Georgia. I started asking about his new suv. He had a telsa. After a small battery fire and a motor replacement he got rid of it. But he did say that telsa went above and beyond in customer service for him. He really prasied them in that aspect but not the car. But granted he was rolling all the time. Like he said gas engine is what he needs . Oh well thought I'd put that out there.
2018 just 3 years old???
Mike the Car SALESMAN: "Dealerships = sneaky". Mike the Car DEALER: "Dealerships = looking out for the customer ". Interesting. 😂
I disagree. If the manufacturing Co. runs the service centers then it behooves them to make a quality product as the warrantee work is costing them directly. Plus it gives them timely feedback on their product where a dealership might not want to be a sore thumb.
Elon, as much as I don’t like him, dropped price for the federal government rebates. So your Tesla among others dropping like a rock in depreciation, isn’t Elon’s fault. It’s just competitive pricing, which is what he cares about so he can sell more vehicles.
The dealerships haggle less with the billion dollar car companies than they do with an average consumer. Thats a fact
How much do manufacturers make on Certified Pre Owned?? Dealers mark up their prices for Certified, but it’s the manufacturer that is paying for the warranty repairs so they must be getting a nice profit too.
OEMs charge dealers to certify a vehicle
Reality is there is a oligarchy with dealers so it can be difficult in some areas to find competition, especially now that a dealerships are now part of groups. Today it doesn't matter what manufacturer the car is produced by, it is the same dealership group with the corporate, maximize profit first mentality.
Recently in my area, a long time family owner dealer with great service and rep sold to an out of town dealership group. Guaranteed with in a year or two, it will be no different than any other corporate run dealership, focused on profit margin and not doing the right things.
There is always cat & mouse between manufacturers and dealers, but dealers more than ever are putting the squeeze on consumers regardless especially COVID/post-COVID. Now the problem is Tesla hasn't been a great model for manufacturer direct either, between what happens between sales (especially during COVID) and support (and lack of consumer choice in the market).
love the corvette in the background
P.s I absolutely love the vette back with the wrap. Looking sharp. Ohhhhh update i sold my black convertible vette. I inherited a 1974 stingray special ordered by my bother n law. Daytona yellow. 454 cid. Now it is 1 of 15 that had the 365hp instead of 260. There were 15 ordered that way. It has A/C which you had to order cause it made the engine overheat in traffic. It was torn down (At (6k miles) and reassembled to show room status . He won many cars shows with it. So its my little heaven now.
Interesting perspective! I hadn't considered the impact on dealerships and service networks if manufacturers took over sales entirely.
However, I wonder if there's a middle ground. Maybe a system where dealerships can still compete on price and service, but without the pressure to meet manufacturer quotas that might push them to shady sales tactics.
Also, for someone comfortable researching and negotiating, direct sales could be a good option. Especially for brands known for strong resale values like Tesla. The potential downside of rapid depreciation you mentioned is definitely a risk though.
Thanks for making me think about this from a different angle!
Hi Mike! Great video. Great looking green dumpster in the background for 7 mins too.
Well, dealer adjusted mark ups throughout the pandemic have made legions of people demanding buying direct. They will not change their minds, ever. Everything you say may be true, but it will never matter to the millions of people that put up with ADMs and are now underwater on their inflated loans. Dealers killed themselves on this topic.
How's it going, Mike? I have a question. I'm looking in to buy a 2024 U can denali. X. L what's a good way to avoid the market prices on it and tactics to negotiate with?
The value on my ram when they started giving 10-20k off dropped like a rock
Thanks for your regular uploads
A lot of very good points. It also doesn’t help when you see nitrogen listed as a price on the scam sticker at dealerships.
Biggest complaint on dealerships is why does it take 4 hours to buy a car. You have to negotiate then wait an hour to talk to the finance manager. When you finally talk to them you have tell them you don’t want their extended service contracts for another hour.😂😂
Chevy dude I have a ? How do I get out of my upside down car I have a Mercedes s450 and I’m under like 15k and want to trade it in what can I do any advice or suggestions
Using your analogy of Nike, if you go to 3+ stores looking for a specific shoe, they may have that shoe, but not the size you need because of how popular it is or if they only send out a few that you need which were already sold.
Chevy Dude. The Dealerships are adding thousands of dollars to cars that are already priced higher now that a lot of people can barely afford, not sure how you can say the Dealerships are working for the consumer.
Tesla’s are a bad investment of a vehicle, as an automotive appraiser most vehicles I see daily are holding their value and some increasing, Tesla’s are dropping like rocks in value, people complain to me daily that their totaled Tesla they just bought is worth 20k less than the owe. Get gap insurance on a Tesla!
If dealers were so great, they wouldn’t have had to pass laws to PREVENT manufacturers from selling directly.
BTW, dealers do NOT protect anyone from depreciation.
Plenty of service/parts departments stand independently. Elsewhere in the world (and in some cases here in the US)you only need a certified technician to get your car repaired under warranty.
This deserves a video that focuses on the bad parts, like greedy Stealerships.
EDIT: I know you've talked about a lot of ways that stealerships do rip you off. I'd love to hear your ideas about how to fix the bad parts.
That white C8 looks hot but that multi coloured C8 looks GAF!
I live in sc and the dealerships around hear like to talk about factory connections what does that really mean
I absolutely love my Rivian R1T.. yes, service is a hassle. Still better vehicle then anything I've ever owned.
I usually keep my cars over 10 years so when I buy reliable cars that have good resale value so a Tesla will never be in my driveway. Thanks Mike always good information.
Agreed! After 10 years of owning a Tesla, you might have to pay someone to haul it away!
I've had a Model 3 for about 5-1/2 years and it's saved me about $2,000 per year on fuel alone as compared to my previous car that did the same workload (accounting for the electricity used). So 10 years on, after I've saved $20k plus in fuel, I'll be OK with that, and gas is going to be how much per gallon then? Also, I'm pretty sure the bottom is going to fall out of the ICE market in a few years or so; there will be a tipping point at which point the general market will sour on ICE. Sure they'll be pockets of holdouts (enthusiasts of some form) but the general market is going to shift.
There is a vast number of the population that could never afford an EV and the home charging equipment that it takes to make it go. It seems that certain politicians never include this group in the equation.
@bobgarrett6202 There's a vast number of people that can't even afford new ICE vehicles as well. Average price of a new ICE car is roughly $47k, while the average EV price is $53k. EV prices have been declining over the years, tho since EV averages in 2022 were north of $60k, per google.
When are you starting your own chevy dealership
There are some car dealerships that truly care about their client's, but most of them don't. Most dealers will scam you if they can. Even if manufacturers sell cars direct at msrp you won't have to worry about high pressure sales tactics and a whole assortment of junk fees.
in sept 2021 it took me over 6 hours to buy my brand new car...and had to argue about 9000 dealer markup
in dec 2019 it took me 4 hours to buy my used car
in april 2023 it took me 32 min to buy my tesla brand new, and every car dealer wanted some dumb extras they would not negotiate, such as 5k for window tint and wheel locks for one example. tesla was flat price, take it or leave it.
only purpose of a dealer for me is to view the vehicle, test drive it, sit in it etc. its a showroom to me, and nothing more.
however, the one thing tesla does not do, is sell extras like a wheel and tire package. which is something i would have liked to buy.
If only dealerships were honest.... in a perfect world.
I have to disagree. I own a Tesla and will do my best to never go through the salesroom floor experience again. The value drop on Tesla has nothing to do with buying direct it has everything with Tesla's mission statement which is to move the world to a electric vehicles. I have experienced the salesroom floor experience with my last two new Harley Davidsons... perhaps auto and motorcycle sales are different but given the choice I would go direct to never again have to waste two to three hours trying to get out of the dealership at the price I want.
That is why buying direct works. You know what you are paying up front and don't have to put up with dealer shenanigans. Beats going to the dealer for a vehicle on their site or amazingly in the paper only to find out its five to six thousand more "because". Never again. Never.
I'd love to see a video of how you can purchase a NEW vehicle from a dealer that the car/truck is at another dealership (I.e. I'm in Louisiana and am looking at a brand new truck in Vegas but want to buy thru my local dealership)
Hey Mike could you reveal how much dealers be buying new cars for from the manufacturer? Also how much are they making on each car nowadays? Cause I remember about 10 years ago before all the crazy pandemic mark ups. Everyone pretty much bought below msrp. My dad looked at a sienna Le msrp was about 29k but listing price was 21k and even then we were negotiating it down even further.
Great video, man. Speaking for myself, I'm fine with dealerships, I just wish they didn't play all the games.
This man speaks the truth. As far as people complaining about dealer mark-ups. Who cares??? Don't buy that car and go to a dealer that doesn't have huge mark-ups. Never buy with your emotions - buy with your brain.
Since you’re responding to people who are complaining about mark-ups you’re the one that cares about people complaining about mark-ups. So that’s the answer to your question. Perhaps what you meant to say was “As far as mark-ups, who cares?” Never write with your emotions - write with your brain.
All dealerships have mark ups. There isn’t one out there that is selling it without an add on of some sort.
This is the same discussion when it comes to gas vs ev. They both have their place. When buying a car, gas or ev should both be an option. Neither should be the only option. Buying from manufacturers or dealers could both be an option. Both of them want all of your money anyway. Neither care about you getting a good deal.
It's not a dealership. It's a stealership.
but buying from a dealer, they can mark up interest rates up to 2% (depending on state), and want to sell you a horribly priced warranty. go get an honest trade in value on your zr2, that you bought from a dealer
I mean… this is slightly skewed. Dealers was washing customers with 40,50,100k mark ups on regular vehicles during the shortage.
People can't afford the price of new and used cars. Some used car dealership's don't want to spend a lot of money on parts and labor to have their technician's repair or overhaul a vehicle. Some dealership's will take some vehicle's on trade-in or at auction if they don't mind putting some time and money into a vehicle.
Ehhh. I get it tons of people hate dealers, but can you imagine a world where cars are all built on demand? The manufacturers would have more control than ever. Yes, the last few years it may have been a great thing due to some greedy dealer markup, but it would all come full circle. You’d see fewer rebates, lower trade in values, and more price hikes. You can find good dealers. The Laura family group offers non-manufacture rebates on every single vehicle. My local dealer, even throughout 20-23 honored my GM discount, and every other applicable one, along with not adding any extra BS. If you see a car you like, call the dealer! Get a price. If they don’t get you what you want, call the next! There’s thousands all over the country that are willing to ship to your house.
Na I’d rather buy direct from the manufacturer. I don’t need clear coating, nitrogen in my tires, huge dock fees, or any of the other dealer add ons that are over priced. Dealers just jack up the price anyway they don’t keep prices down, they over charge. Dealers are a net negative. I get you are in the business and trying to protect your livelihood but market adjustments and the uncontrollable greed that dealers have had the last few years caused this.
I'm going to respectfully disagree. Franchise Stealerships are just that, thieves. And are totally for their own profit and not any where near customer oriented. Just like a corporate HR is out for the best for the company not the Employee.
You've said many times that your end goal is to own one. So i understand the defense of them. Direct selling only benefits the customer and manufacturer. Stearships can get on board and become service departments and delivery centers.
One thing is for sure, there will never be a Tesla in my garage. At this point the only EV I would consider is a plug in hybrid and that would be only if I am forced to own one. I am an ICE guy all the way.
Everybody likes bashing dealerships, but they've done okay by me. That is, Honda did okay by me; Volvo, not so much. Get a reliable car; avoid add-ons; focus on the out-the-door price; take care of the car you got. I like talking to salesmen. They know cars. They answer questions, which comes in handy when I have a need that I can't directly translate into car speak. As for the mechanics, they've been reliable and honest as far as I know. But fact is, nothing's broke on my '09 CRV. My main gripe with the Honda dealer is not getting to talk to the mechanics. I know those guys are busy, but I'd like to get their take on what's going on with the car, and thank them for working on it. Instead it's 'Here's your key', pay the bill, and out the door. I have a lot of respect for the mechanics but can't express it. Dealing with a factory and not having someone local to go to doesn't appeal to me.
Tesla is still “new” compared to Ford, in time they will have more Dealers
Tesla's business model completely eschews dealers. In some states in which the auto dealers association has successfully lobbied the state government to completely forbid direct sales, Tesla has simply partnered with sovereign Native American tribes and placed their delivery and service centers on reservations. As hard as the NADA and all the various state auto dealers associations try to maintain a stranglehold on selling new cars, their business model has been shown to be flawed and could be in serious jeopardy. And Tesla is VERY unlikely to have independent dealerships.
Buying from Tesla was by far the easiest car purchase I’ve ever made, by a mile!
The guy that overpaid for his Tesla should only be mad that he was dumb enough to pay that ridiculous price for a sedan. We could get rid of dealer sales and they would still have parts/service where they make most of their money anyway. Then the market will dictate the sales price when buying direct - when manufacturers raise prices we stop buying. Plenty of existing used car dealers will take any additional inventory if service centers don't want to also run a used car lot.
I wouldn't get a Tesla even if it was free...But good for you and Mike!
Mike what happened to all your videos on your Mikes Car Store channel.
Harley Davidson just did the same thing on their motorcycles.
Dealers literally charge for a catalytic converter cage on an EV. 😂😂😂
im still for buying directly from manufacturer.
How is a 2018 just three years old when every manufacturer is selling 2024 models?
Yeah, paying tens of thousands over MSRP is much better than buying direct.
2018 was 6 years ago. So the oldest used car they have is not 3 years old.
"Dealerships are fighting for the customer."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH
Yeah never buy from dealerships
before watching video: This should be good. It's like a grocery store telling you to NOT grow your own food. You're a used car salesman. Of course you don't want people to bypass you and buy direct. Anyway, on to the show then I will see how wrong I may be.
After Video: yup I was right. We don't need stealerships anymore.
Sorry, but your not convincing me that buying from a dealership is better than from the manufacturer. And as far as getting work done, I'm sure you can get it done at any dealership that has service for the type of vehicle you purchased.
I couldn't disagree with you more. The dealership model inflates the price, manufacturer, middle man, dealer, service, etc...
The oldest used Tesla is a 2018? Which is 3 years ago like you said but we’re in 2024??
hello Chevy Dude
A hybrid can get Mpg into the high 50's maybe even 60's mpg by having the electric only do the work at low speeds. EV up to 40mph and then have a light weight crazy reliable NA 40hp 1 liter come on and the electric is slowly removed as the gas comes on. Then at 60mph your on full gas and the electric motor is just doing regenerative braking=charging the pack. If you need more power above 40mph then the electric can assist momentarily. But 40hp is really all most rides need to go 80mph and that will not only give increased mileage, massive range, but also has potential to allow for a 3000lb hybrid sports car that has a 0-60 of 4 seconds in "sports" mode or a fuel sipping 0-60 in 8 seconds high 50's mpg commuter in normal mode to even 60+ mpg in "eco" mode where the 0-60 is closer to 10 seconds.
For driving around town you can just go full electric with the 40hp motor just providing HVAC and charging as needed. But if your like most people who commute 50 miles a day at least 30 miles of that is highway and that is where you really only need that 40hp.
Your videos are usually good but this one is hilarious. I think most people would rather pay MSRP directly from the manufacturer than pay MSRP + market adjustment + bullsh*t fees at a dealership. If I buy a car from a dealership, that's my last interaction with them unless there's a warranty claim. Otherwise independent shops exist.
The list for dealerships is short, and against is almost infinite!
2018 was 3 years ago???
Not 3 years - a 2018 model comes out in mid or late 2017 - 6 years ago almost 6 1/2 years ago
Sorry but I have to disagree with you. People should have the freedom and option to buy from whomever they like to whether it be an OEM or dealer, but highly restrictive government regulations force to only do business with dealers and they have a monopoly (which is only bad for consumers). Dealers are just a middleman marking up OEM products for profit on the backs of hard working Americans. Myself and everyone I know who have been to a dealership are just disgusted by the vast majority of our dealership experiences over the last 3 years with mark up, rude/condescending sales staff with "a take it or leave it attitude", thousands of dollars in dealer add-ons nobody wants and borderline unethical finance office tactics.
Dude, E.M. reduced the prices to survive. Otherwise, BYD and other Chinese EV makers would run him over. Meanwhile, the high MSRPs and high dealer markups are hurting the automakers and dealers in the long run.