I agree with you. I hated Janice, but she was simple selfish. She was capable of being nice also. Livia was a truly disturbed individual. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the feeling I got.
I love how Nancy constantly plays Livia on the razor's edge of simmering contempt and outright senility. You think she's out of touch when you hear her call Janice her dead sister's name. After Janice reminds her of her name she snaps back with "That's something else you threw away of mine" and it completely disarms you.
Livia wants to go back to her home, but the only way to do that it by moving in with Janice, whom the former knows she’ll try to kill her to have access to her property. Thus Livia knows that she has to fabricate some saved money story, just to prevent Janice from killing her. It’s a game of chess and Livia always wins. She wins because she’s far colder and self-restrained, while Tony and Janice are explosive like their father, which is a liability in the game against Livia. Amazing.
I've always thought Livia already knew Janice hadn't found the money otherwise Janice would have run off with it and not bothered to visit in the first place. I love the subtle details in this scene Janice came in to try and manipulate Livia and Livia turned the tables on her using her weakness for easy money. Soon as she said she would leave her money to the Doctor Janice's body language changed you sense her thirst and Livia knew it and played it to her advantage! She was a brilliantly written character and was brilliantly acted Nancy Marchand gave me the creeps...actually Livia still does give me the creeps lol
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Livia was very cunning. She managed to persuade Junior by making indirect jabs and small revelations with an innocent tone. Tony prob got his smarts from Livia, Janice was prob more like her father.
@@GoGetYourShinebox I agree Janice is very impulsive her fight at the football match says says it all as does her killing Richie. Tony actually became a better a criminal through therapy because he learned to apply Melfi's suggestions and advice into his criminal enterprise a true sociopath right there along with the affinity for animals that was brilliantly done
I was originally surprised to learn she was supposed to be the main antagonist throughout the series, but when you go back and watch her scenes it's not that hard to see
Because Livia knew exactly what Janice was planning. Janice is a narcissitic woman who always tries to play the caring, loving, high and mighty, especially in this scene. But Livia saw right through her and sent her on, kind of a wild goose chase for the "money." Livia was more intelligent than Janice. Even that doctor kinda knew what was about to happen, she just didn't want to be a part of it.
Ask anyone about their favourite scenes in this show, and who would even mention this one? Absolutely mesmerising scene. Two miserable, but utterly ruthless, sharp and scheming women locking horns, with Livia winning easily. It’s what’s not said. The fact they’re mother and daughter too. Nancy Marchand is nothing short of chilling here. Evil personified.
@@rolandfeussner1892 Livia and Tony are the only people in the entire show that Janice couldn't manipulate. She was annoying but she definitely was sharp and cunning.
Aida Tutorro has such a way with expressive acting. The evil in her eyes and smile almost comes across as friendly and caring, until Livia starts playing her like a fiddle. Then you can see all that evil and manipulation written all over her face but she still hides it very well.
the actress who played livia was seriously excellent in this scene, she doesn't say anything really menacing but the body language and tone she comes across as a evil monster.
Originally, Livia was supposed to be killed off at the end of season 1. Nancy did such a great job, they didn’t kill Livia (even though they knew Nancy had lung cancer).
@@TheEwing69 actually Livia was supposed to testify against Tony in season 3 about the stolen plane tickets at the end of season 2. They wanted her around much longer than she lasted.
@@MzKandiLane actually your both right, Nancy Marchand begged David Chase not to kill her off in season 1 because she had terminal lung cancer and she said acting in the Sopranos was so great that it was giving her a purpose to live and fight on. I can only imagine how great it would have been to have her in later seasons, I've heard some say the uncle Jr alzheimers story arc was actually going to be Livia's originally had she not prematurely pass away during the shows run.
"Oh, I've seen that movie with Richard Widmark". Fun fact: in Kiss of Death (1947), Widmark's character throws a mobster's wheelchair-bound mother down a flight of stairs.
@@jonnybirchyboy1560 "You know what I do to squealers? I let 'em have it in the belly, so they can roll around for a long time thinkin' it over. You're worse than him, tellin' me he's comin' back? Ya lyin' old hag!"
"We're talking about a 10 year old girl here." - Junior. Love how realistic the characters are. She is subtly manipulative. Underneath all the Vishnu-Hippy crap-she's still her mother's daughter and always has been. Now she's home to take the throne.
Livia was letting the nurse know how Janice was in her own Morse code when she told her she was going to leave the money to her. "My daughter is crazy and if I die you know she is guilty" that is why the nurse felt uncomfortable after words lol
Isabel Beckerman Livia lol. She was playing Janice likes a fucking fiddle here. Look at her face. Talking about where the money is. She knows that’s what Janice wants.. so she’s playing Janice along
@@NoName-cz3wn there was no money she only said that too keep Janice occupied looking so she wouldn't kill her when she gets home so she could take the house.
Nick B exactly, if there was any money, Livia knew EXACTLY where it was. The reason you know Livia is fully coherent is when Janice says “my name is Janice Ma, Janice. You named me” and as soon as she finishes that breath Livia responds cold as ice with a stern look on her face “that’s something else you threw away of mine”, if you remember tony talks about Janice going full Hindu or whatever and legally changing her name. So that part right there tells me Livia is completely lucid and is tracking along at a very fast/aware rate.
Masterful scene here by Nancy Marchand. Not only was Livia picking at her daughter Janice, but then brings up money to get her full attention. Chiding Janice a bit as if she were a small child while reeling her in at the same time. The acting here was flawless and the writers on the show certainly understand the depravity of the human condition.
At 1:25 when Livia says "Oh come on Septimia, you don't fool me" just after Janice looked at that picture of stairs the first time At first I thought it was Livia throwing a random name to Janice to make it seem like she's going senile Turns out there was a Syrian queen named Septimia, not much was known of her mother and many people speculate that she killed her So she knew her game, and indirectly called her out for it And the looks Livia gave her, you can see that she put away the facade for a moment just for Janice. All of that bitter seemingly vulnerable old woman disappeared and made way for a psychopath
Livia said "Settimia" the name of her deceased sister, not "Septimia." She also mistakes Meadow for "Settimia" when she wanders from the retirement home into the Soprano residence
She always sent shivers down my spine! Played it off like she was this innocent old lady, meanwhile she was probably the biggest psycho of them all! This scene & the scenes where she would laugh at Tony gave me the creeps cuz she was showing her true colors
@@lindsaydottz463 oh totally Nancy Marchand did a fantastic job! Livia scares me because she's so unpredictable and you never know what you're gonna get she acts like a harmless old lady yet she says and does the most hateful things to fuck with people's lives. What makes her so creepy is the calm way she goes about it like its completely natural to her to be so hateful. People like that should be avoided at all costs
@@lindsaydottz463 yep remember she’s crying when Tony runs out of the house then he trips and falls down the stairs outside her house and his gun goes flying. This was right after Janice killed Richie. After Tony falls and his gun goes flying, livia is smiling ear to ear laughing then goes back to crying
In my experience it's the butter-wouldn't-melt people who often do that kind of thing. I saw a well-dressed middle class type lady steal a pound off a drug addict who had dropped it on the floor of a bus.
@@Brandon-hn4yg No it hasn't. Just delayed, like everything ewlse in the world. www.looper.com/203530/sopranos-prequel-the-many-saints-of-newark-release-date-cast-and-plot/#:~:text=The%20Many%20Saints%20of%20Newark%20has%20officially%20been%20delayed.,a%20firm%20backup%20release%20date.
Livia isn’t disappointed that her daughter is manipulative, she’s disappointed that her daughter isn’t as psychotic and disturbed as she raised her to be
The real irony of this scene and Livia's relationship with her children, is that like he said, Tony really did "do right by her". He doted on her like a queen, put her in the best retirement community in NJ, completely on his dime, but she never missed the opportunity to tell him that "daughters are better at taking care of mothers". Now she knows and always knew what a snake Janice is, and clearly knows that she won't miss the first chance she gets to off her, but she would die before she acknowledged anything good about Tony, the only child of hers who actually stayed and took care of her.
I always got the impression that Livia hated her kids equally, she only told Tony that just to spite him. She never had anything good to say about anyone, in fact the moment Janice meets with Livia she starts throwing poison at her and criticizing her.
@@olofacosta3192 I don't see it, and well after Livia wakes up from being drugged and Richie being killed by Janice. Sees a pretty shook up Janice with a bruise on her mouth and Tony worried, and Livia wastes no time saying Richie probably dumped her and that's "the story of her life" with a pretty sadistic grin, clearly enjoying twisting the knife that Richie hit Janice and then left her. So whatever look Livia had at the end of this scene was facetious
@@WisteriaNerium Livia obviously dislikes and critiques everyone. That's literally just how she is lol. But you can tell definitely tell that Janice was her favourite child
Wow the acting in this scene is incredible! The way Janice's voice turns so 'soothing' as she says, "Let's not worry about," sends chills down my spine. Livia was a monster for sure and Janice was her cracked mirror reflection to a T.
God, both of these actresses were amazing. They both exuded such malice and danger with just their presence. They never raise their voices, never say anything threatening and yet it's just pure, ice cold menace! They're each so much more frightening than any of the male characters on this show. And you can sense so much more real power from these women than any of the so called tough guys on the Sopranos! Great acting.
@Fat PieJanice survives. Like Livia she exist in the background, pulling the strings. She's the puppet master, the others that you named were thugs and muscle and that's a sort of brutish power, but Livia and Janice had real power.
cocokai Janice survives and let’s also see, Janice, like ALL the women in the show, benefit greatly from the power of the mafia without having to actually be in the mafia. So they get all the protection the mafia affords, with almost none of the risk! Also, the mafia has a rule, do not go after mafia members families. So she’s immune from the mafia itself (theoretically). So yeah, pretty easy to survive when you get all the benefits and have to risk almost nothing. You didn’t think this through very well, did you?
Have a “Janice” in our family who’s taken control of an elderly parent and surviving off her funds? Despite her efforts to cover up, we all know and it does a number on a family. Rather than turn her in to authorities I chose to make peace with the fact that my inheritance is gone. She has to live with herself and her pill addiction (starting to forget her own lies.
Every family has a “Janice”. My “Janice “ thinks we are too stupid to understand what he has done. But karma is going to bite his ass sooner than he realises. The shit is going to hit the fan.....
Sarah burns I hope this comment finds you. My aunt tried to steal my inheritance. Try and prevent this Janice character from becoming 'power of attorney' If you don't know for sure who it is, ask your loved one who is going to pay the bills when they become sick. Also ask who is the executor of their will. If you are not the executor, make damn sure that you get to read it. Follow that bitch into the Probate office and make some noise if you have to. Don't be greedy. Old people love to give 'shit tests' just like women do with men. Don't take the bait 0:50 And yes make peace with the fact that you may get nothing. Don't sit around thinking you are gonna be ballin one day. That's what my other relative did. And she didn't get hardly anything. They love to tell you that they 'are not here looking to get anything' That is bullshit. That is exactly what they are doing. And it happens in almost every family. Do not trust anybody. ANYBODY. One last piece of advice: Don't let the Janice relative keep you from going over to the house. You may have even noticed that this Janice character makes you and your other relatives feel unwelcome. This is by design. You are being pushed out of the picture. Don't fall for it. Keep going by the house and spending time. Even though it sucks these days.
There are so many daughters out there, just like Janice. So cunning, so spoiled, just waiting for her cut.... This family deserved each other. Brilliant show!
0:56 "Well I think I'm going to leave all my money to you!" "What are you talking about? What money?" *Livia bores a hole into Janice with that stare* Hahaha, that look! There were no flies on Livia. She knew exactly what Janice was all about, and Janice walked right in to her trap. Janice was perfectly baited by Livia here when Livia decided to mention "money", and the immidiate interest Janice suddenly showed at the mention of it. Janice was always a greedy so and so, but Livia knew that even as an old woman!
I've always thought Livia mentioned Janice selling her ballet shoes as a way of saying she'll sell anything or anyone out to get what she wants. And I loved it when she turned the tables on Janice and used her weakness of greed for easy money against her lol Livia already knew Janice hadn't found the money or she wouldn't have visited in the first place she would have took it and run and returned when she spent it all. Then Livia finally taunting her because she figured her out so fast was priceless Janice knew she got played lol
This scene is horrifying. It happened to my grandma after her dementia kicked in (via one of Mom’s brothers). Even took out a loan against the car we paid for outright for her that got repossessed.
Anthony Iuculano light years ahead, pretending to be losing her marbles and she was 10 steps ahead the entire time. When Janice says “my name is Janice, Ma, Janice. You named me” and Livia snaps back instantly with a stern look “that’s something else you threw away of mine”. At that point Janice knew she was fully coherent. Do recall Janice changed her name legally when she got deep into the Hindu faith, changed her name to Nishu or something I can’t remember. So that’s when Janice pivots and says let’s not worry about the money because she suddenly realizes Livia is playing her like a fiddle
Janice pales in comparison. Also, she's been shown to not be without complete hope (of course that faded by the end of the series). Example: I actually felt momentarily sorry for her after she killed Richie and Livia took the opportunity to bite at her and you can see her hurt she is. When Tony calls Livia out on all her abuse, you get the sense of how Livia made her what she is. She was capable of genuine emotions unlike Livia who's a cold shell. Janice is a product of Livia. Barbara is proof that the Soprano children weren't born rotten to the core instead of conditioning. Tony got most shit from her because he's the oldest. He turned out a violent criminal. Janice got it the second worst, but as female, she became less aggressive and more manipulative. Barbara got the least of it, being the youngest and probably getting the fuck out of the household before serious damage to her mind. Don't get me wrong. Janice is horrible and I'm not making excuses for her. It's just that she's got nothing on her mother. Livia was far worse.
CoastersBolts tony is isnt the oldest hes the middle child janice is the oldest. That's why tony gets mad at her because zshes the oldest but you can't count on her. She's just money hungry and will leave as soon as time gets rough
Janice is like my youngest aunt and Livia is like my grandmother... Don't let the helpless old lady facade fool you. My Aunt stole from my grandmother and yet my grandmother still considers her the favorite child but makes it seem like shes innocent
The saddest part is, Tony was probably one of the people best qualified to induce the most inhumane physical torture on Livia and never be caught , and yet never did.. such a crying shame.
Tony would have been whacked by one if not all of his own capos if he did that to his own mother and they found out about it. Not to mention Junior himself. There is a line in the sand when it comes to mothers, and a man who is capable of doing that to his own mother would make everybody else in the crew completely paranoid. He'd be signing his own death warrant if he touched Livia.
The creepiest part of this scene is obviously the fire sign, but the way that the silhouette changes. It's a silhouette of a man standing upright, then it changes to a woman falling down the stairs, then a man falling down the stairs then back to the original pose. It makes you really believe that Janice hallucinated it, and that the silhouette changes from a woman to a man but is still falling down
what? this didn't happen, it's the man, then a figure with a dress and livia's head, then one a bit more like livia with the dress and livia's head, then back to normal, there's no man falling down
@@Skyx5m50 exactly, it's a shame Ms. Marchand passed away when she did because the series definitely had to change to accommodate her passing I'm curious how the rest of the series would have a gone if she had lived
Janice says "and I'm going to be living with you" is the single most horrifying sentence I could ever imagine
That miserable house had Richie, Livia, and Janice together. One of them was bound to get killed 😊
Also didn't Janice use a Gadget to find the Money after Livia's Death.
"How can Tony Soprano be the hero of the series?"
"By comparison."
He not a hero, he a sociopath jerk.
There are no heroes in The Sopranos.
where is that quote from?
Anti-hero is more accurate.
So he's a hero?🤔
This scene gave me the shivers. Janice is selfish and manipulative, but she ain't got nothing on Livia.
Kris Bland she learned from the best
Nothing like two narcissistic sociopaths facing off to make you question humanity.
what a fucking family!
EarlFaulk Janice is nothing like Livia
I agree with you. I hated Janice, but she was simple selfish. She was capable of being nice also. Livia was a truly disturbed individual. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the feeling I got.
This is like watching a Sith Master testing the Sith Apprentice on her skills of manipulation.
Darth Livia and her apprentice Darth Parvati.
@Truth118 Sacre Bleu where is me ma ma
You lack hatred
Never use that word in here.
@@nathantaylor6759 Exactamundo, 😅😄😂.
I love how Nancy constantly plays Livia on the razor's edge of simmering contempt and outright senility. You think she's out of touch when you hear her call Janice her dead sister's name. After Janice reminds her of her name she snaps back with "That's something else you threw away of mine" and it completely disarms you.
No one ever thinks Livia is out of touch.
Meaning her name?
Yeah when she became a Hare Krishna hippy and changed her name to "Parvati" @@rudimentaryschizo2799
Livia wants to go back to her home, but the only way to do that it by moving in with Janice, whom the former knows she’ll try to kill her to have access to her property. Thus Livia knows that she has to fabricate some saved money story, just to prevent Janice from killing her.
It’s a game of chess and Livia always wins. She wins because she’s far colder and self-restrained, while Tony and Janice are explosive like their father, which is a liability in the game against Livia. Amazing.
Some human beings should just not have children. This show is a fine example.
That includes my own parents, let me tell ya. Most Iberian families are toxic to the core because of the parents.
Sacre blue
Some Human beings should also, just not be born.
@Isabel Beckerman Thank you.🙏🏼
@@zebrino7167 that's fucked up, because you can just as easily say the same about White's and every other race.
Mentioning her money is her life insurance policy. Janice won't DNR her until she finds out where the cabbage is stashed.
I've always thought Livia already knew Janice hadn't found the money otherwise Janice would have run off with it and not bothered to visit in the first place. I love the subtle details in this scene Janice came in to try and manipulate Livia and Livia turned the tables on her using her weakness for easy money. Soon as she said she would leave her money to the Doctor Janice's body language changed you sense her thirst and Livia knew it and played it to her advantage! She was a brilliantly written character and was brilliantly acted Nancy Marchand gave me the creeps...actually Livia still does give me the creeps lol
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 sick Genius
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Livia was very cunning. She managed to persuade Junior by making indirect jabs and small revelations with an innocent tone. Tony prob got his smarts from Livia, Janice was prob more like her father.
@@GoGetYourShinebox I agree Janice is very impulsive her fight at the football match says says it all as does her killing Richie. Tony actually became a better a criminal through therapy because he learned to apply Melfi's suggestions and advice into his criminal enterprise a true sociopath right there along with the affinity for animals that was brilliantly done
@@cashflodigitalsportsnetwork thank you 😉🤣
The part where Janice imagines it's her mother falling down the stairs. Lmao!!!! Classic!
Man, you kinda forget how weird The Sopranos could get, right??
lol and smh at same time...
XD
trippy dumbass
aaand with the elevator music in the background...
These two deserve each other
Livia deserves Janice.
RIP Nancy Marchand . She played Olivia soprano evil ass to a tee.
Not since lady Macbeth!
People weren't used to seeing elderly characters played dark like this on TV. She knocked it out of the park!
@@pozloadescobar Yes! My God you hit the nail on the coffin. Not even Sophia Petrullo (The Golden Girls) was as cray cray.
Interesting fact: Livia was heavily based on David Chase’s own mother and a lot of her phrases were direct comments made to David growing up.
Nancy Marchand was an absolute artist, she made me deeply uncomfortable in nearly every scene. Some people are just born to do this.
I agree ty and i was relieved too when David Chase said that his own mother at least "made us all laugh without knowing it" he he * Paulie voice
I was originally surprised to learn she was supposed to be the main antagonist throughout the series, but when you go back and watch her scenes it's not that hard to see
Nancy Marchand was fantastic and I gotta say that Vera Farmiga was just as good in Many Saints…..such a great character.
Now that's a woman that KNOWS HER CHILD!!!!
Of course she does where else would Janice learn that behaviour other than from Livia herself as the saying goes "don't kid a kidder"
She’s her
@@bsp5689 Livia = Vito, Janice = Sonny
Community reference?
like looking into a mirror
Livia: How many layers of selfish manipulation are you operating on?
Janice: Two or three.
Livia: You are like a little baby.
More like,
Livia: those are rookie numbers
I see what you did there
her name isn't Olivia.
@@dewilew2137 Edited. Thanks!
In the pantheon of iconic fictional villains, Livia Soprano doesn't get mentioned nearly enough.
This scene gave me the chills the zoom in on the sign and her eye was so creepy
Because Livia knew exactly what Janice was planning. Janice is a narcissitic woman who always tries to play the caring, loving, high and mighty, especially in this scene. But Livia saw right through her and sent her on, kind of a wild goose chase for the "money." Livia was more intelligent than Janice. Even that doctor kinda knew what was about to happen, she just didn't want to be a part of it.
Lmao Livia kills it. Such a great character on The Sopranos.
Livia knew what her daughter wanted.
That is sick and twisted. She knows that Janice is desperate and if anything happened to her Janice would get nothing.
Ask anyone about their favourite scenes in this show, and who would even mention this one?
Absolutely mesmerising scene. Two miserable, but utterly ruthless, sharp and scheming women locking horns, with Livia winning easily. It’s what’s not said. The fact they’re mother and daughter too.
Nancy Marchand is nothing short of chilling here. Evil personified.
me would
Did you just call janice sharp?
What‘s next, calling a fight between AJ and richie aprile junior a fight between two sharp men?
I would call it a draw myself.
My favorite scene is where paulie hits the gardener with the shovel
@@rolandfeussner1892 Livia and Tony are the only people in the entire show that Janice couldn't manipulate. She was annoying but she definitely was sharp and cunning.
Aida Tutorro has such a way with expressive acting. The evil in her eyes and smile almost comes across as friendly and caring, until Livia starts playing her like a fiddle. Then you can see all that evil and manipulation written all over her face but she still hides it very well.
the actress who played livia was seriously excellent in this scene, she doesn't say anything really menacing but the body language and tone she comes across as a evil monster.
The late, great Nancy Marchand. 🌹
I love that scene, especially when Janice glances to the 'Use Stairs' sign and then cut to Livia...flawless
The Gaslighting Girlboss vs. The Sigma Female. This is pure gold.
Nancy Marchand. Sopranos wasn't the same without her.
Originally, Livia was supposed to be killed off at the end of season 1. Nancy did such a great job, they didn’t kill Livia (even though they knew Nancy had lung cancer).
I did notice she seemed really short of breath in some early scenes. Though lots of ppl develop shallower breathing with age.@@TheEwing69
@@TheEwing69 actually Livia was supposed to testify against Tony in season 3 about the stolen plane tickets at the end of season 2. They wanted her around much longer than she lasted.
@@MzKandiLane actually your both right, Nancy Marchand begged David Chase not to kill her off in season 1 because she had terminal lung cancer and she said acting in the Sopranos was so great that it was giving her a purpose to live and fight on.
I can only imagine how great it would have been to have her in later seasons, I've heard some say the uncle Jr alzheimers story arc was actually going to be Livia's originally had she not prematurely pass away during the shows run.
That is true, as good as it was.
Nancy Marchand kills it! No one could have portrayed Livia Soprano as skillfully as she did. RIP
"Oh, I've seen that movie with Richard Widmark". Fun fact: in Kiss of Death (1947), Widmark's character throws a mobster's wheelchair-bound mother down a flight of stairs.
Tommy Udo, whateva happened there
@@jonnybirchyboy1560 "You know what I do to squealers? I let 'em have it in the belly, so they can roll around for a long time thinkin' it over.
You're worse than him, tellin' me he's comin' back? Ya lyin' old hag!"
That's why Janice is walking around in the basement with a metal detector when Livia died 😂😂😂
"We're talking about a 10 year old girl here." - Junior.
Love how realistic the characters are. She is subtly manipulative. Underneath all the Vishnu-Hippy crap-she's still her mother's daughter and always has been. Now she's home to take the throne.
You gotta wonder where she is in all this. My little niece.
Livia was letting the nurse know how Janice was in her own Morse code when she told her she was going to leave the money to her.
"My daughter is crazy and if I die you know she is guilty"
that is why the nurse felt uncomfortable after words lol
This scene was like a chess game w two masters.
Isabel Beckerman Livia lol. She was playing Janice likes a fucking fiddle here. Look at her face. Talking about where the money is. She knows that’s what Janice wants.. so she’s playing Janice along
@Isabel Beckerman that depends if Janice ever found the money.
@@NoName-cz3wn there was no money she only said that too keep Janice occupied looking so she wouldn't kill her when she gets home so she could take the house.
Nick B exactly, if there was any money, Livia knew EXACTLY where it was. The reason you know Livia is fully coherent is when Janice says “my name is Janice Ma, Janice. You named me” and as soon as she finishes that breath Livia responds cold as ice with a stern look on her face “that’s something else you threw away of mine”, if you remember tony talks about Janice going full Hindu or whatever and legally changing her name. So that part right there tells me Livia is completely lucid and is tracking along at a very fast/aware rate.
@@wq198mnr great catch and I agree. Checkmate for livia... Exactly how David Chase wanted it play out in this scene.
This acting is off the charts. Nancy Marchand was a genius!!!!! RIP
Tony was right Janice was there to pick at the freaking bones.
Duh 🙄
@@teamofwinter8128 Tony was right on a lot of other things too including Janice used to constantly drop acid and blowing roadies.
@@jakep1979 doesn't mean he gets to bring it up to her husband and mocks them at their house
@@teamofwinter8128 He's the boss, he's entitled to a lot of things.
@@jakep1979Not that tho, hes a guest in his underboss and husband of his sisters house.
Masterful scene here by Nancy Marchand. Not only was Livia picking at her daughter Janice, but then brings up money to get her full attention. Chiding Janice a bit as if she were a small child while reeling her in at the same time. The acting here was flawless and the writers on the show certainly understand the depravity of the human condition.
She also looks almost proud of Janice. Like she's enjoying her becoming more like herself
when Livia brings up the money and watch’s Janice squirm is my favorite livia moment
At 1:25 when Livia says "Oh come on Septimia, you don't fool me" just after Janice looked at that picture of stairs the first time
At first I thought it was Livia throwing a random name to Janice to make it seem like she's going senile
Turns out there was a Syrian queen named Septimia, not much was known of her mother and many people speculate that she killed her
So she knew her game, and indirectly called her out for it
And the looks Livia gave her, you can see that she put away the facade for a moment just for Janice. All of that bitter seemingly vulnerable old woman disappeared and made way for a psychopath
Livia said "Settimia" the name of her deceased sister, not "Septimia." She also mistakes Meadow for "Settimia" when she wanders from the retirement home into the Soprano residence
@@ongbruhlol hmm seems like a huge coincidence tho
@@desireandfire what does
@@ongbruhlol "mistakes"
imagine the absurd reaches of logic you could make with the names Livia and Janice if you included the entirety of recorded human history...
One year of watching Sopranos clips daily. And I completely forgot that this scene existed. Damn. I shouldn't. This is an amazing scene.
Livia seriously gave me the creeps, she still does. Its like she's this harmless old lady but you can sense this coldness coming off her in waves
She always sent shivers down my spine! Played it off like she was this innocent old lady, meanwhile she was probably the biggest psycho of them all! This scene & the scenes where she would laugh at Tony gave me the creeps cuz she was showing her true colors
@@lindsaydottz463 oh totally Nancy Marchand did a fantastic job! Livia scares me because she's so unpredictable and you never know what you're gonna get she acts like a harmless old lady yet she says and does the most hateful things to fuck with people's lives. What makes her so creepy is the calm way she goes about it like its completely natural to her to be so hateful. People like that should be avoided at all costs
@@lindsaydottz463 yep remember she’s crying when Tony runs out of the house then he trips and falls down the stairs outside her house and his gun goes flying. This was right after Janice killed Richie. After Tony falls and his gun goes flying, livia is smiling ear to ear laughing then goes back to crying
I grew up with a mother and sister like this. Think about that.
So reading between the lines, you’re now the deceased boss of a mafia family.
@@RevealedFilms he's the boss of a glorified crew
@@teamofwinter8128that Pygmy thing in Jersey?
She knew exactly how to push her buttons, crafty ole broad.
Nancy Marchand (Livia) was spectacular ....
God...Livia had such amazing cunning to sniff out what Janice really wanted.
Boy that stairs jump this was like a horror movie
You will never comprehend how terrifying this scene is until you deal with a real female psychopath...
Agreed...
Spot on statement .
I married one. Wait till they referral their true colors. You're in for a REAL wild ride after that.
LitoGeorge That sucks. Were there signs you missed?
@@niceprofile-k6i from the start. Lesson to the wise. Never listen to a woman over your gut feelings.
1:44 Freaked me out at first. That's some David Lynch shit.
how is livia so scary without saying anything scary lol. shes the best
This is my sister. Took the rings off my mother's fingers for "safe keeping" along with everything out of the house. Trash.
not like Livia wouldn't deserve it
You can't take it with you so...
In my experience it's the butter-wouldn't-melt people who often do that kind of thing. I saw a well-dressed middle class type lady steal a pound off a drug addict who had dropped it on the floor of a bus.
@@goodyeoman4534 what does that mean, never heard "butter-wouldn't-melt" in regards to people.
@@sambeck2510 An old English idiom/expression to describe a smug person.
I cant wait for the new sequel to come out and get to know more about Livia.
Hey Lily Are you for real a sequel? Can you please give me some more details?
@@nickb2208 Yes "The Many Saints of Newark" David Chase is working on it
It was canceled
@@Brandon-hn4yg No it hasn't. Just delayed, like everything ewlse in the world. www.looper.com/203530/sopranos-prequel-the-many-saints-of-newark-release-date-cast-and-plot/#:~:text=The%20Many%20Saints%20of%20Newark%20has%20officially%20been%20delayed.,a%20firm%20backup%20release%20date.
@@lilylily9728 prequel
This is why Nancy Marchand was a brilliant actress - you could see the wheels turning. You know EXACTLY what she’s thinking.
Two of my sisters did the same thing to my Mom when she was passing away. Stole her $$$$$$$$ when she was dying of Cancer.
In this case though it's not like Livia wouldn't have deserved it...
Sorry to hear that man but did your mom do that in her early life might be karma... like mother like daughter.
"I'm gonna live with you~~~" 🥺😫😫😫
Livia isn’t disappointed that her daughter is manipulative, she’s disappointed that her daughter isn’t as psychotic and disturbed as she raised her to be
The real irony of this scene and Livia's relationship with her children, is that like he said, Tony really did "do right by her". He doted on her like a queen, put her in the best retirement community in NJ, completely on his dime, but she never missed the opportunity to tell him that "daughters are better at taking care of mothers". Now she knows and always knew what a snake Janice is, and clearly knows that she won't miss the first chance she gets to off her, but she would die before she acknowledged anything good about Tony, the only child of hers who actually stayed and took care of her.
I always got the impression that Livia hated her kids equally, she only told Tony that just to spite him. She never had anything good to say about anyone, in fact the moment Janice meets with Livia she starts throwing poison at her and criticizing her.
@@WisteriaNeriumlook at the way she looks at her in the end of the clip. Livia clearly preferred Janice. Probably for being the most like her lol
@@olofacosta3192 I don't see it, and well after Livia wakes up from being drugged and Richie being killed by Janice. Sees a pretty shook up Janice with a bruise on her mouth and Tony worried, and Livia wastes no time saying Richie probably dumped her and that's "the story of her life" with a pretty sadistic grin, clearly enjoying twisting the knife that Richie hit Janice and then left her. So whatever look Livia had at the end of this scene was facetious
@@WisteriaNerium Livia obviously dislikes and critiques everyone. That's literally just how she is lol. But you can tell definitely tell that Janice was her favourite child
@@olofacosta3192 Nope, I still don't see it. Janice was Johnny's favorite. But I just don't see any actual indication of it being the same with Livia.
Amazing acting and writing. Nancy Marchand flawless as ever.
This is my of my favorite scenes in this series. And I absolutely love the Soprano’s. But this one is so damn good.
This is one of the best scenes in the series. It is why I prefer the earlier parts of the series.
1:29 chills, subtext is “I know your planning to kill me”
*you're
Nancy should have won and Emmy for Livia. Amazing performance. Aida should have been nominated for S2 too!
The Godmother😂
Omg what a weird and brilliant scene!
Janice has that money already spent, in her mind
"Though attic stairs *are* steep,
Death comes peacefully in sleep,
And charity--WE HOPE--begins at home."
--Noel Coward
This scene is deeply unsettling
such a great scene
At 1:53 the way she speaks reminds me of Vito when he was talking about how he had longevity and how he was a great candidate to become boss.
Wow the acting in this scene is incredible! The way Janice's voice turns so 'soothing' as she says, "Let's not worry about," sends chills down my spine. Livia was a monster for sure and Janice was her cracked mirror reflection to a T.
Say what you will about Janice but she is a product of Livia.
Livia reaped what she sowed.
I was on some strong psychedelics when I saw this scene for the first time. It fucked me up.
Charles Schwab over here...
So that's it... No leeway, no compromise, just stupid f*cking jokes...
i saw this on acid shit tripped me the fuck out
I can't even imagine that!!
@@zzzzzz-ti2rv shit im high and this scene fucked me up, acid while watching the sopranos must be scary as hell. i almost did it once
God, both of these actresses were amazing. They both exuded such malice and danger with just their presence. They never raise their voices, never say anything threatening and yet it's just pure, ice cold menace! They're each so much more frightening than any of the male characters on this show. And you can sense so much more real power from these women than any of the so called tough guys on the Sopranos! Great acting.
@Fat PieJanice survives. Like Livia she exist in the background, pulling the strings. She's the puppet master, the others that you named were thugs and muscle and that's a sort of brutish power, but Livia and Janice had real power.
Agreed! She wore Johnny Soprano down to a little nub according to Tony and that takes a special kind of power.
@FatPie, Janice killed Richie remember? Not some street guy, but Janice, of all people.
cocokai Janice survives and let’s also see, Janice, like ALL the women in the show, benefit greatly from the power of the mafia without having to actually be in the mafia. So they get all the protection the mafia affords, with almost none of the risk! Also, the mafia has a rule, do not go after mafia members families. So she’s immune from the mafia itself (theoretically). So yeah, pretty easy to survive when you get all the benefits and have to risk almost nothing. You didn’t think this through very well, did you?
I love how in one moment everyone gets on Livia’s side against Janice. Janice is the Worst.
Livia playing feeble and distant. All along her and uncle Junior we're the real evil gangstas.
Junior? Junior was insecure as hell.
BRILLIANT acting!! Wow!
Reminds me of visiting my mother in aged care! So glad The Sopranos nailed NPD behaviour.
AJ spills all the beans with livia.
"grandma what is DNR, is it something like DNA?"
"Grandma, my father is seeing a therapist "
Holy fuck I just watched this scene and 1:46 scared the shit outta me, damn. No horror movie has given such a genuine scare like this in a while.
Searched this clip as soon as i Saw that, so damn creepy lol
Have a “Janice” in our family who’s taken control of an elderly parent and surviving off her funds? Despite her efforts to cover up, we all know and it does a number on a family. Rather than turn her in to authorities I chose to make peace with the fact that my inheritance is gone. She has to live with herself and her pill addiction (starting to forget her own lies.
mine is much worse
ROBERT Kern The fun never ends. Right? :)
Every family has a “Janice”. My “Janice “ thinks we are too stupid to understand what he has done. But karma is going to bite his ass sooner than he realises. The shit is going to hit the fan.....
I'm intrigued! What happened to these ne'er-do-well folks you guys speak of? I have some colourful characters in my family too. Immediate family.
Sarah burns I hope this comment finds you. My aunt tried to steal my inheritance.
Try and prevent this Janice character from becoming 'power of attorney'
If you don't know for sure who it is, ask your loved one who is going to pay the bills when they become sick.
Also ask who is the executor of their will. If you are not the executor, make damn sure that you get to read it. Follow that bitch into the Probate office and make some noise if you have to.
Don't be greedy. Old people love to give 'shit tests' just like women do with men. Don't take the bait 0:50
And yes make peace with the fact that you may get nothing. Don't sit around thinking you are gonna be ballin one day. That's what my other relative did. And she didn't get hardly anything.
They love to tell you that they 'are not here looking to get anything' That is bullshit. That is exactly what they are doing. And it happens in almost every family. Do not trust anybody. ANYBODY.
One last piece of advice:
Don't let the Janice relative keep you from going over to the house. You may have even noticed that this Janice character makes you and your other relatives feel unwelcome. This is by design. You are being pushed out of the picture. Don't fall for it. Keep going by the house and spending time. Even though it sucks these days.
The only time I was ever rooting for livia was when she was facing off against Janice
Why? She’s the reason Janice is so fucked up
@@jujuonthatqueef5043 yeah but what’s more fucked up is taking their money fucking off to what ever
There are so many daughters out there, just like Janice. So cunning, so spoiled, just waiting for her cut....
This family deserved each other.
Brilliant show!
Calling Janice „cunning“ gives me stomach pains. Sure, she is scheming but she is sooooo dumb.
1:43 some of the scariest moments are not in horror films…what a fantastic edit.
1:46 That's just creepy
0:56 "Well I think I'm going to leave all my money to you!"
"What are you talking about? What money?"
*Livia bores a hole into Janice with that stare*
Hahaha, that look! There were no flies on Livia. She knew exactly what Janice was all about, and Janice walked right in to her trap. Janice was perfectly baited by Livia here when Livia decided to mention "money", and the immidiate interest Janice suddenly showed at the mention of it. Janice was always a greedy so and so, but Livia knew that even as an old woman!
I've always thought Livia mentioned Janice selling her ballet shoes as a way of saying she'll sell anything or anyone out to get what she wants. And I loved it when she turned the tables on Janice and used her weakness of greed for easy money against her lol Livia already knew Janice hadn't found the money or she wouldn't have visited in the first place she would have took it and run and returned when she spent it all. Then Livia finally taunting her because she figured her out so fast was priceless Janice knew she got played lol
This scene is horrifying. It happened to my grandma after her dementia kicked in (via one of Mom’s brothers). Even took out a loan against the car we paid for outright for her that got repossessed.
Nancy Marchand was a brilliant actress. The casting is perfect
And The student becomes the teacher .
Rico Conti Lmao What? Livia was playing her the whole time
Nowhere close... Livia was still way ahead...
Anthony Iuculano light years ahead, pretending to be losing her marbles and she was 10 steps ahead the entire time. When Janice says “my name is Janice, Ma, Janice. You named me” and Livia snaps back instantly with a stern look “that’s something else you threw away of mine”. At that point Janice knew she was fully coherent. Do recall Janice changed her name legally when she got deep into the Hindu faith, changed her name to Nishu or something I can’t remember. So that’s when Janice pivots and says let’s not worry about the money because she suddenly realizes Livia is playing her like a fiddle
Livia owned her lmao
2 GREAT ACTRESSES!!
Those two are really great actresses!
GREAT CASTING!!! Nancy Marchand became my fav "I don't like that kinda talk!!!.....Was so disappointed when she passed,
that my grandmother
@1:45 - this part always freaked me out as a kid
Livia was my favorite!❤️ She stole every scene.
The lady had a Virginia Ham and no bread.
That intro:
"Janice, what i tell you last week?"
Evil as fuck!
Who's more evil and manipulative? It's hard to tell.
Janice has got nothing on Livia. She's so much worse than Janice could ever get.
Janice pales in comparison. Also, she's been shown to not be without complete hope (of course that faded by the end of the series). Example: I actually felt momentarily sorry for her after she killed Richie and Livia took the opportunity to bite at her and you can see her hurt she is. When Tony calls Livia out on all her abuse, you get the sense of how Livia made her what she is. She was capable of genuine emotions unlike Livia who's a cold shell.
Janice is a product of Livia. Barbara is proof that the Soprano children weren't born rotten to the core instead of conditioning. Tony got most shit from her because he's the oldest. He turned out a violent criminal. Janice got it the second worst, but as female, she became less aggressive and more manipulative. Barbara got the least of it, being the youngest and probably getting the fuck out of the household before serious damage to her mind.
Don't get me wrong. Janice is horrible and I'm not making excuses for her. It's just that she's got nothing on her mother. Livia was far worse.
CoastersBolts tony is isnt the oldest hes the middle child janice is the oldest. That's why tony gets mad at her because zshes the oldest but you can't count on her. She's just money hungry and will leave as soon as time gets rough
Tony also blames janice for leaving him when they were younger Janice graduated and left jersey to blow roadies as tony aaid
Johnny Olden
Roadies?
Janice is like my youngest aunt and Livia is like my grandmother... Don't let the helpless old lady facade fool you. My Aunt stole from my grandmother and yet my grandmother still considers her the favorite child but makes it seem like shes innocent
The saddest part is, Tony was probably one of the people best qualified to induce the most inhumane physical torture on Livia and never be caught , and yet never did.. such a crying shame.
Tony would have been whacked by one if not all of his own capos if he did that to his own mother and they found out about it. Not to mention Junior himself. There is a line in the sand when it comes to mothers, and a man who is capable of doing that to his own mother would make everybody else in the crew completely paranoid. He'd be signing his own death warrant if he touched Livia.
Completely out of character for Tony. No matter how much he hated his mother.
Hitchcock-esque scene. Creepy and eerie. Love it!
The creepiest part of this scene is obviously the fire sign, but the way that the silhouette changes. It's a silhouette of a man standing upright, then it changes to a woman falling down the stairs, then a man falling down the stairs then back to the original pose. It makes you really believe that Janice hallucinated it, and that the silhouette changes from a woman to a man but is still falling down
what? this didn't happen, it's the man, then a figure with a dress and livia's head, then one a bit more like livia with the dress and livia's head, then back to normal, there's no man falling down
@@danhill33021:46 yes there is retard, the part where it's Livia's eye on the screen. Learn to watch TV
Nurse: I gotta make it to phone call
She was a FOX a true Ganster Tony even told her.
She could be the perfect sith
Livia was smarter than any character on the show
She played every character like a fiddle and also knew what they were really up to and saw through bullshit. She was such a well written character.
@@Skyx5m50 exactly, it's a shame Ms. Marchand passed away when she did because the series definitely had to change to accommodate her passing
I'm curious how the rest of the series would have a gone if she had lived