2024 Triumph Speed 400 First Ride | Review
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2024
- Initial First Impressions of the all new 2024 Triumph Speed 400, join me on my first ride of this all new model from Triumph to understand what it rides like in the real world on UK roads.
A more detailed review of both the Speed and Scrambler X 400 will be coming very soon so please subscribe to the channel for lots more Triumph content to come throughout this new season.
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I am triumph rider, thruxton and bobber. Looked at this motorcycle in the shop. Fit and finish of the 400 is superb, your review was also excellent.👍
Thank you Norman that is very much appreciated
When I started motorcycling I realised what I was chasing; the sense of mobility my first 50cc pedal-assist two-stroke moped gave me. Flat out it’d do a naughty 40 kph and it would properly struggle going uphill but I loved the damned thing. These small bikes are very much that but in a ‘proper’ form factor for my now grown and slightly more portly frame. Will have to give the Scrambler 400 a go.
Great video, great chat.
Thanks so much, completely agree with what u said, there is so much fun to be had on smaller capacity bikes, it is a less tense affair riding them just more fun. Cheers
I liked your video so much that today I put a £250 deposit on a red Speed 400 with Triumph West London. Cheers!
Nice one, great colour choice :)
Glad I dropped on this video I've been interested in the speed 400 since it was announced . What I'm made up with is you are the same size and build as me and you don't look out of place on the bike . Iam gunna go get a test ride when it stops snowing 😊
Awesome let me know if you get one!
Won't be long before the 400's land in the US and I absolutely want to throw a leg over! Thanks for taking us along on your ride!
My pleasure Mark thanks for watching :)
They’re here.
@@loosingparts6159 Where do you live? They're not here yet
Eagerly awaiting for this bike to arrive this year in the Philippines. Nice review!
glad you enjoyed it!
Love this review, truly honest and realistic… got a new subscriber.
Welcome aboard, thanks so much for the kind feedback and Sub :)
What a great write up, i`ve already ordered one, in blue, but won`t be getting it til June. I saw them in the metal for the first time on Friday afternoon at my local Triumph dealer down here in Dorset, and i totally aggree about the quality, can`t fault it. Many thanks for a great vid.
I`m a fellow Triumph fan, and already own a Speed Twin 1200, which is an awesome machine, and i`l be keeping it alongside the Speed 400.
Awesome Neil I love the Speed Twin 1200, and the blue 400 looks mega, got one in the shop :)
My local Dealer is Destination Triumph in Christchurch in Dorset. For some reason, all the demo bikes i`ve seen have been red Speed 400s, and green Scrambler 400s, maybe the other colours are too much in demand by customers?.@@simotofoto
Great review mate, down to earth. Nice little bike, would consider it if I didn’t already have a 900 Street Scrambler and a classic T140. Deffo gonna be a winner for Triumph. I’ll test one when I get the chance, this and the 400X are both lookers as well!
Cheers Droidster, well jealous of your 900 bloody love them :)
@@simotofoto cracking bike, out of the many bikes I’ve owned over the years (apart from my classics) this is my favourite. It’s odd Triumph decided to make the seat height of the 400x quite a lot higher than the 900, about 45mm I think… this may excluded some of us!
Ive ordered this bike a few weeks ago in greece where i live on a little island, after watching this video i just want it more and more, great review, thanks
Good choice, glad you enjoyed the video, thank you very much :)
I took a demo Speed 400 out from Triumph Plymouth. 70 mph dual carriageways, 60 mph A & B roads and some leafy (not to mention slippery) Devon lanes. Absolutely fine in all those situations. Really enjoyed the ride. Looks good too imo. It's not a subsitute for my 765RS but there's definitely room for one in the garage, at £5000, I think it's tremendous value. Anyone thinking of buying an Enfield should try one of these before they part with their money.
Thanks for sharing Andy, couldn't agree more, its great fun to ride.
I test drove the Speed 400, RE Hunter, RE Interceptor and it wasn't even close. My Speed 400 is due to arrive in March and is $4,500 out the door in my country. RE owners are like a cult, they dismiss the obvious significant shortcomings in order to justify their purchase to themselves.
@@molonlabe9602Funny, I feel the same about Triumph owners. It's called confirmation bias.
Was looking at buying an RE gt650 because of the looks basically. Learning more about them I still liked how they looked but they dont seem like great bikes long term. When these 400s came out I was really excited and still am.
@@handsmcneil Let's see how they do long term. These models are built by Indian motorcycle manufacturer Bajaj, in a joint venture with Triumph
Thanks for braving the roads of Glasgow at 1 degree, I had the BMW G310GS maxed out at 84mph, you want that extra bhp when battling the Audi drivers...but 80mpg is tempting along with £50 road tax!
Haha no problem, im still shivering lol
Thanks for a straightforward real world review,I have one on order and you covered everything I was interesed in.
Fantastic thanks ever so much for the kind feedback, hope you get your sooner than you expect, your going to love it :)
When is your expected delivery date?
I took a demo for a ride last week (I’m in Australia), placed my order as soon as I got back to the showroom. Pick it up Friday. Just a charming, fun and capable little machine.
Awesome, hope u have plenty fun on it when you get it :)
Fantastic 400, can’t wait for mine to arrive
Nice one William can't wait to see you riding it :)
Great review, keep up the good work. Ideal 2nd bike
Thanks Lee, will do!
Brilliant video as usual, Si. Love the idea of a smaller cc bike for commuting, and my beautiful T100 for the weekend. Scrambler 400 has my eye though.
Thanks Gary, great idea, and your right keeps the special T100 special for nice sunny days :)
I have got the scrambler 400 x, love it to bits!
Looks lovely and appears to go well.
Great review 👏
Thank you 😊
Thanks for the review Si, Got a deposit down on a 400x but was getting a bit impatient and took a 900 scrambler out on a test ride. Still got my deposit down but that 900 may have won me over. The weather being rubbish is the only thing stopping me till you get 400x demos in.
Hey Tammy we will have a 400X demo on very soon bud
same happened with me... got a Street Twin 900.... still fancy trying this one out though. Would hate to think I prefer it to the 900!
I sold my last Triumph in 1985, it was a 1983 TSX which I bought new, I had a lot of problems with that machine, after previously owning a TR7RV, a T140E and a T160V, the TSX put me off the Triumph brand. I then went Italian with a Moto Guzzi SP1000, a Laverda 1200T and a Benelli 900 Sei. I still have the Benelli and a Harley-Davidson XL883N. I will check out the latest Triumph range as the Speed 400 looks like an ideal commuter machine. Thank you for your review.
That is on awesome list of bikes David I doff my cap
@@simotofoto Thank you for your reply, Si, I started riding since 1977 on a Honda ST70 Monkey Bike which I bought from a workmate, I've had a lot of fun on motorcycles over the years. I'm currently helping a mate to rebuild his 1979 Moto Guzzi Le Mans Mk II, he has owned it from new. Do you live in the Glasgow area? I was born in Dufftown although I've lived in Halifax since 1966. My Benelli 900 Sei was first registered in 1980 at Alvin's in Edinburgh.
Excellent review, thanks 👍
Thanks for watching and for the kind feedback :)
I currently have a xjr1300sp. I only chill when riding these days and rarely do more than 50 miles. This bikes caught my attention. I used to have 250/350 trail bikes back in the day and used to love riding the singles
It brings back the fun to biking Nick
Personally I don't understand why people ask the question if 40 bhp is OK on UK maximum speed limits.... Of course it is, any bike with a 90 mph or more top speed should have zero issue holding 70mph 😊
Totally agree Kevin, more fun to be had on smaller capacity bikes than people realise
@kevindarkstar ... Exactly what Kevin says is what it's all about. People need to ignore peak HP numbers.
It’s all a matter of perspective- which I feel a lot of bikers have lost, whether it be because of money or growing accustomed to bigger bikes. I have only *9* BHP to work with- 40 BHP to me is essentially lightspeed.
@@simotofoto yeah better to ride a small bike fast than a large one slowly 👍🏻😉
Right up until you’re alongside a big artic, two up with luggage, and you can’t get past the bow wave.
OooOoOOH! First review ride in the UK? Nice one Si! Looks a crackin' wee bike.
More to come thats just a wee taster lol
Best & fairest review I've seen. I tried a demo last week, loved it & I have a deposit on a Speed 400.
Nice one Stephen, thanks ever so much :), you have got a great bike coming
Triumph are so good for the perfect finish product paint details everything on their motorcycle are top notch , i myself bought a 2020 Ttriumph Rocket 3 GT and its awesome to ride , i like that little Speed 400 look so good , ride safe mate and hello from Montreal Quebec.
Hey Shadow, your spot on about the quality, oh and the Rocket 3 GT Wow that is an absolute dream bike, your so lucky to own it. Take it easy dude and thanks ever so much for commenting on the video :)
I love the review and those B roll shots 👍👍👍
Thanks! 👍
Great review....look forward to seeing what you make of the 400X - top of my wish list at the moment.
You and me both, coming soon promise :)
That looks a great bike Si. Its certainly going to ruffle a few feathers!! Have seen one on the roads, and it certainly looks the part and has a prescence on it. Thank you
Thanks Dave, get one out for a blast you'll love it
@@simotofoto I have a 2024 Tiger 900 Rally Pro on order Si. Dropping back down from the’12, so probably won’t ride one. But looks good👍
I have a RE hntr 350 and i have never found it lacking in any facet of motorcycle riding , it it superb in town but also have done a long tour from Airdrie to the isle of man including the TT course on it and it was brilliant fun and it only had 20 hp and was capable of 70+ on the motorway if needed
Thanks for sharing, just proves my point, it doesn't have to be about big power to enjoy 2 wheels :), thanks ever so much for your comment @thegarrydn1 and thanks for subscribing to the channel .
I found that it took a long time and had difficulty getting much over 100kph.
You picked a good day in the city. hardly any traffic.
I had a Husky 401 which was fantastic at everything, just like you found on the Triumph.
apart from any protection and luggage for touring.
Thanks Rob, the Scrambler version has some luggage options
Really relevant test video for me, my local Triumph dealership is West Coast Triumph so I'd be doing a motorway test in the same spot! I currently ride a RE Himalayan and that is just about enough for the M8 but you are basically maxing the thing out at 75mph. The Triumph 400X is very intriguing as a lighter bike with an overall similar form factor but much more powerful and lower weight. I'm a maniac though so I'm cross-shopping this with a used Kawasaki W800.
Glad it was helpful, hit me up in the shop when you are in :)
An Honest Review!
I already own a Speed 400 and she’s everything and more that you’ve already mentioned. An Absolute beauty!
Well done Triumph!
Thanks ever so much great to hear your enjoying the bike
l ride a Street Triple 675, however l'm seriously considering this little bike for a change of pace....(I'm 77 years old)...Great informative review. The bikes are due here in Spain at the end of January so looking forward to seeing the 400 in the flesh so's to speak..
Cheers Brian, might not have the same top end as the 675 but I bet you would have just as much fun if not more on the 400, superb little bike.
Bar end mirrors, great until you have to get it through the garden gate or drop it 😊
Very true!
Stadium do old style folders.. Great for fitting through gates!
Thanks for the brilliant insight, should prove a real winner...
Thanks Geoff
Fantastic review. I used to own the Monkey before somebody rear ended me. I’m getting the same vibes with this bike. I’ll always miss the Monkey but this might be my next bike.
Thanks ever so much Andy, get yourself out for a go on one you'll love it
Wait for second lot of production.
These are first production lot have a lot of area of correction and development.
@@samarthakur4u How so?
@@andydefaoite2567 first production lot VS regular production lot VS last production lot , all these have different quality standards.
This new factory staff are learning on the first production lot . Same is with ktm here in India , ktm has got new factory and their new staff is learning and there would be changes/update in second production lot which will rectify all the issues.
@@samarthakur4u Interesting. Thanks for the update.
Great review, nice ride👍
Thanks for watching Robert, and the kind comment
Great review Si, I have to say, if I had a spare £5k I'd be ordering one I think it would be a great little bike to sit alongside my Bonneville for the days when I can't be arsed to get a big bike out.
You and me both, wish I had room in the garage lol
I have a Black Speed 400 ordered from yourselfs, it should be here in May. So thanks for the video. Ps, gonna tell them to hurry up and get my bike ready! 😂
Haha we are on the case dude
Good Honest Ride Out.Looks like a good motorcycle for the money. Cheers 🏍️👍
Thanks 👍
Great review as ever!
400x has my interest. Be keen to hear what you think of it.
Cheers bro, stay tuned review coming very soon :)
Lovely review Si. The 400x i’m definitely keen on. Hoping to take one out once todays arrival of snow has gone! I’ll be honest, could be a replacement for my monkey (maybe), would break my heart to get rid though and interested in a comparison - but there are times when could do with a bit more power. Really quite liked my 310GS with 34bhp, but hope the scrambler is better put together and easier to work on! But another 5/6 bhp over that isn’t bad and that went well for what it was. looking forward to your 400x review while i wait patiently for the snow to disappear!
Noooooooooo you can't sell the Monkey lol
@@simotofoto yeah... That's where my head is at to be honest! 😂. It's been to john o groats twice... Its like part of the family.
@@twistandgo3414 don't think I'll ever sell mine to be honest I just couldn't
@@simotofoto I know what you mean! even if you never rode it again, it's quite a cool toy even to just look at 😂
This was a good honest sensible review, it seems like most of the DIY reviewers have already decided that the scrambler is the bike of choice as 90% of the reviews feature this bike.
Not convinced myself, I have opted for the speed twin as I already have a CBR 300L - much more a green lane off road bike than the scrambler IMO.
Couldn't agree more
Love my Pureblood Red Speed, closing in on 1st service, hope that continues.🤙
Great review! Thanks for posting it. Sooooo tempted by this bike.
Some of the other reviews - mainly from India - mention vibes being an issue, but was interested to hear your opinion on that. Just wondering if the bike can hold 80-85 on the 'autobahn' without major vibe issues? Any thoughts?
Also, your opinion on a minor matter - the clutch and break lever seemed to be very waggily and insecure on the bikes at the NEC. One of the Triumph people said it was because of the number of visitors jumping on the bikes and squeezing the levers: I remain doubtful as to that explanation.
Otherwise I love the size of the bike and the capacity as I'm moving away from bigger and more powerful bikes nowadays. And it does look stunningly beautiful 😍
Brake and clutch levers are a bit waggly to be honest but not dreadful, could feel a few vibes north of 70 on the crotch, 75 would be ok north of that wouldn't like to be doing it for to long. #buzzywilly
I own a Speed 400 in India.. With good quality engine oil & with neat regular maintenance the bike is smooth until 7000rpm (130kmph/ 80mph).. The bike is vibey above that though..
@@pravinmurthy thank you - good to hear your view!
It's a thumper (single cyclinder). They're more viby than twins and more. Even though RE owners won't admit it, their bikes are a little viby too. RE uses a longer stroke with smaller bore, which is supposed to be less viby but in reality, not that much if any less at all.
Lovely wee bike , getting to the age where speed doesn’t matter or hp, when I change my tiger 660 sport, definitely going to look at it + of course a test ride 😊👍👍
Cheers Tony, defo worth a test ride dude
I’ve got a deposit down for a red Scrambler. Delivery supposedly June time. Just organised a test ride on the local dealer’s demonstrater for early next month (the first day that I’m not working and my lad’s off school). I’ve stepped down from a R100RS, through a CB500 and then a CBR500R, and now think the Scrambler is probably the best mix of retro looks and modern tech to meet my needs. Definitely wanting something light, nimble and comfortable for local B road and lanes type riding. My days of big heavy bikes and loads of motorway miles are definitely behind me. 😂
Nice one, hope it comes sooner for you, its a bawl to ride your going to love it :)
I'm similar to you. I've got a Z650RS now and it's perfect for me, never felt like I needed more power. As for motorway miles, I'd rather be in a car than on any bike!
Great video review. I am waiting for my Scrambler 400X to arrive in the states
Good choice Bill you are going to love it :)
@@simotofoto I will be using my bike to deliver bacon and travel to personal chef events in our area. There is a burger with bacon and a beer waiting for you if you can make it to BILL-E’s in Fairhope, Alabama.
@@billesbacon Awesome Bill :)
@@simotofoto the Triumph accessories I like are the small windscreen, center tank pad, luggage rack, and the high mud guard.
Not sure if upgraded seat is worth the expense, but it does look sharp.
I want both the upper and lower engine bars. Still not sure if the upper one comes with the bike. The reviews from India say that it does. I still can’t get a straight answer on that.
I also like the bullet style turn lights. Again not sure it’s worth the add on price.
Luggage has been a big thought and I believe the Mosko Moto Reckless 80 will solve all my needs with a Triumph specific Cruz Tools kit in the Fatty Tool Roll.
For Navigation I will be using the REVER App with my IPhone on a Quad lock mount.
Nice review.
Thank you! Cheers!
Great review …. What’s with the green light on the dash ? Also less of a mud guard more a show guard but otherwise a tempting proposition…. Subscribed loved the drone shot at the start. Ride safe.
Its like a little bell icon, not sure what its for will find out though and report back :) thanks for the sub
Hey dude the green light on the dash was letting me know the daytime running light was on, when you select dip beam it goes off and when you select high beam a blue light comes on. Hope that helps :)
@@simotofoto thanks for following up with that info.
The RE 350’s only have 20hp and people loving those for in town bikes. My wife has a Rebel 300 and can’t wait to trade it up for the Triumph. The T-100 is just a little much for her. They’ve made it to the states just gotta get in line for a bit.
Great point regarding the RE, small capacity bikes are just so much fun when you give them a chance.
I’m lucky enough to own a Ducati Multistrada V4S which I absolutely love but I’ve been thinking about a 2nd bike for a while as the big Multi can be a bit of a faff if you just want to do a short run, don’t get me wrong it’s a fantastic bike and I’ve just done 1000 miles in 2 days on it in France which was epic.
I test rode the Speed400 last week for exactly all the reasons you mentioned, my commute to work is 13 miles so this will be perfect to use for that and just general shorter runs. I can’t wait to get it and think it’ll absolutely brilliant particularly for the summer back lanes.
Cheers Steve, its a great bike fella and perfect for what u described doing with it.
Great review,had the bmw 310r yrs ago,riding wee bikes can be great fun.
Do you have the 400x demo yet,keen to try that!
Yes I have it on
Great,will book it midweek soon......
I think these 400cc bikes will do well. I would buy one if I didn't already have my 2015 Bonneville.
2nd bike? :)
Went to Triumph Plymouth yesterday, definitely a premium bike, they said they've sold 26 so far. The blue colour scheme looks great imo.
Totally agree
Pre-ordered the Scrambler 400X. So looking forward to it arriving.
Awesome what colour did u go with?
@@simotofoto I went with Carnival Red as I like the color and it makes me very easy to spot on the road. ^^
@@Sunesen great choice
Picked up the 23 XC as my first bike, but the 400x was on the list.
Awesome Bobo maybe a second bike? :)
Looks great, can't see it being anything other than a win for Triumph.
Think you might be right Ben
Really fancy one of these.
Do it do it do it :)
Great. Really enjoyed that. 👍. Any chance you'll be taking the scrambler 400x out for a run. I presume they are fairly similar, but , it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it. Thanks again.
That's the plan, will have one very soon and will do a more detailed review on that one, it was to cold today lol
@@simotofoto That's great. Thanks very much. Lots of us out here looking forward to that. Bloody cold alright. Bring on the summer 🌞
Bro scrambler has a longer stroke more good for touring ; 19 inch wheels , good on/off road its a BIGGER bike / longer swing arm you and your girlfriend riding long days with language
Thanks for the great video, mate. Are you able to confirm if the UK variants are manufactured in India by Bajaj, or are they coming out Triump’s Thai and Brazilian factories? I’ve read conflicting information.
Yes they are made in India
@@simotofoto Thanks mate!
This looks like the perfect all rounder a great commuter bike that looks good, a great first bike and enough oomph for a weekend run about. Proof that you don’t need to have 1000cc to enjoy motorcycling. I
Couldn't agree more!
Recently borrowed a Honda 350 adv 85 mph up the motorway no problem
The Honda is a cracking little bike
This is my top pick when I pass my DAS this year Si 😜👍🏼
Yaaaassssss good luck with the DAS :)
@@simotofoto thanks
I’m nervous but mega excited at the same time
I’ve been dealing with your colleague Ed 😜👍🏼
Great guy also
Would you recommend this bike for a beginner riders first bike? Love the look of it and the price seems good
Yes, absolutely
Putting a deposit down this week. This will be my first bike!
Awesome, what a fantastic first bike, my first bike was 10 years old lol, but had the most fun ever on it :)
@@simotofoto I'm an older guy at 50. I can't begin to tell you how excited I am to learn something new.
How come some models of the speed 400 have a black front mudguard and other have a grey one like in the video? Is there an option to choose or is it just random?
They all come in Silver as far as I am aware, not seen an option for a black one on the accessories catalogue so far, where did u see it, was it in the UK?
@@simotofoto I saw one with black here in the US
@@demolitionist42 interesting, never seen that on any bikes here in UK
Great review, but from you that was expecte Si. I'm really interested in the scrambler 400X , but just a bit hesitant. Rumours from India is it does have some new bike teething problems?. Stalling at low revs seems to be the main one & sounds like the ride by wire throttle is the culprit?. Funny thing is, the new RE Himalayan 450 is suffering the same & I bet they're using the same system?. I suspect both triumph and Royal Enfield will get it sorted in short order or maybe they already have ?.
Time will tell if we get issues, normally Triumph are all over it if we do so fingers crossed they are usual Triumph standard
No car in any city will be faster than this bike! Love it!
Totally agree
2700-2800 gbp here in india .
Whats an awesome price .
Maybe in future, triumph will reduce the prices if they move production of these bikes in western market .
5k gbp is still big sum but maybe due to import costs prices are on higher side .
Hope so Sam, would be great if they made it less :)
Rode to Triumph on Saturday on my monkey, took out the 400x and loved it, came back and thought someone had sabotaged my monkey, it felt shite to ride afterwards i thought the wheels were loose or had a puncture lol my mind had to readjust back to riding it, got to take out the speed next, then decide which i prefer, not sure if i will get rid of the monkey yet as i have plenty fun on that but dying to mod one of the 400s.
The Monkey is a keeper lol
interesting. just 40hp? well that is enough for a bike that weighs 100lbs less than the 650 goldstar with 47hp.great review btw.
Thanks Bert
Excellent video. Any idea the expected delivery dates?
They have started coming through now
Thanks
Mine is arriving in March @ $4,500 out the door in my country.
Awesome what colour did you go with?
I'd be interested to know what the seat height is as I am just shy of 5ft7.
790mm
Try one and if it’s too tall, get an MT 03, better bike and lower seat height.
It doesn't seem that long ago that a bike like the Honda 400four was seen as a reasonable sized/powered bike
Thats so true Togs
Looking to buy a motorcycle after 20y break
Considering this one or used SV650 for the same price
What do you think?
Ride both and see what you prefer, both great bikes :)
It's going to be a big seller for Triumph especially with the average age of motorcyclists getting older and older, a light weight 400 with 40bhp makes perfect sense. I can see the price going up once Triumph realise they have a winner. If I was looking to buy a new bike this would be top of the list. For me I still prefer to ride my 45year old cx500 with 50bhp for a similar experience at a fraction of the price, but if I needed a more reliable bike to commute every day on then I certainly would be buying the Triumph 400, probably the Scrambler 400x as I have long legs.
Nice one Paul some great points, hopefully they keep the price similar to where it is, I think your right this bike is going to be great for Triumph, Cheers Si
If that makes 40bhp at the wheel you can have my house. I bet it’s between 25-30 at the wheel at best. Best environment for this will be B roads and in town, while it can no doubt cope with Motorways I bet an hour or so would drive you mad. The narrow tank / flat bars and light weight are highly appealing and hark back to simpler, practical bikes of the past. Good review 👌
Thanks man glad you enjoyed it :)
It reminds me of the Yamaha radian.
Would it be ok as a first bike if not what would you recommend?
Its a dream 1st bike dude
Had a Duke 390 for a while, great fun…44hp.
Nice one Ian, what are u riding now?
This will be a perfect commute bike and 80 mpg is a no brainer than using my car
Only problem for me is with these bikes is i dont know which i like more the road or scrambler version 😅
Get both lol
Speed can corner better, brake better, taller geared, lighter machine..
With motorway or duel carriageway, long distance, 70mph... of course it will do it, the bike can probably reach 100mph. But the only little concern for going much longer distances at all regularly, is that it's kind of high revs needed for cruising at that speed for an hour or more. It will do it OK, but there's better bikes for that purpose, that's all.
My only little niggle with this bike is that it's slightly heavy for the category - but so is the KTM Duke 390 !
The Honda CB300r and Husqvarna Svartpilen are considerably lighter. 40bhp is fine, but the MT-07 only weighs 14kg more, and an extra 32bhp.
37.5Nm peak torque on the little Triumph. 67Nm on the the MT-07...
The power - weight is much better on the Yamaha. Ok, it's more expensive too.
Doesn't have to be featherweight - which the CB300R feels! But if the Speed 400 could trim off 10-20kg, that 40bhp would become that bit more punchy.
That's my only little gripe with the bike. It's priced very completely! But 170kg is just a tad much in my mind for a 40bhp bike. But I suppose that extra weight helps make it feel more stable and planted, which some riders will prefer.
Fair enough, you should try 18 stone on a monkey bike lol still so much fun :). There are more powerful 125's than the Monkey but it looks immense, it's a modern classic, same as the Speed 400. Yes the Yamaha maybe lighter, faster etc, but is it as cool? debatable
@simotofoto the Yamaha is a little bit heavier but it's 690cc. The MT isn't the direct comparison I'd make there either. The XSR is Yamaha's retro, and that's just as cool. Only personal preference could split them on looks.
I haven't ridden a monkey bike or a grom. I briefly owned a CB300R which a lot people have labelled a "grown-up grom". It weighed 140kg but felt lighter than I remember any of my little learner bikes feeling.
Since we've moved onto what's more cool, I'm throwing a curve-ball, and bringing the Herald Brute 500 (450cc) in the mix. I'm kind of cheating. It's not mass market, and considerably more expensive. But has a slightly larger single cylinder, weighs 145kg (*dry), 43bhp. It sounds like a hoot to ride around town or B-roads.
Anyway, the mass market options in this 300-400cc category, are the featherweight Honda but only 30bhp, or bikes 30kg heavier with 40bhp.
*Herald opted to give the dry weight of the bike instead of road ready with fuel and oil. Annoys me a little. Feels part way towards false advertising. A little deceitful trick. A little bit like websites grabbing our attention with the price before VAT, rather than the actual price.
@@wolfpackpete6408Aftermarket exhaust will give the 400 an instant crash diet.
Does your bike stall in 2nd gear while maintain 20-30kph (3000rpm) continously in slow moving traffic like it's choking/holding back fuel?
Not at all the bike rides like a dream
Are you hitting the kill switch by mistake?
Great comprehensive presentation but it won’t tempt me to change my Yamaha MT 03 anytime soon. This produces the same power from an extremely smooth 321cc twin and it’s much lighter. I suppose the looks aren’t to everyone”s taste and I get some odd looks when other riders see a 75 year old codger dismounting from it. But it’s great fun to ride, I can keep up with bikes twice the size.
Nice one dude, its not what you ride that counts its getting out on the bike :) Stay safe dude :)
A 1962 Triumph bonneville t120 had 46bhp and was 178 kg. So whats the problem ?
Great info Robert and just goes to show how far things have come since then eh
I'm jealous of riders who are starting out these days. The choice of bikes is amazing.
That is so true
@@simotofoto I have to disagree with both of you. When I started riding 40 years ago the big 4 Japs had loads of 100s, 125s, 175, 200s, 250s, 400s and more in their catalogues. Road or trail, there was a far bigger choice of bikes that sold well to younger riders moving up the ladder and older riders looking for an easy going second bike. Where are the modern day DT175s, XL250s etc?
Really, I don’t think they have much of a future if the rumours are to be believed.
Having ridden over 1,000 miles in 24 hours on my 40 bhp single, I can confirm any motorcycle can be fun. That was on a dirt bike too with Pirelli MT21s on my HRC Honda XR400R. Admittedly that with raised gearing, a big tank and a Corbin seat. The moral is maintain your perceptions at the price point of you and machine and two wheels take you anywhere with a grin.
Couldn't agree more John :)
It's almost a secret the horsepower of a xr400 in the matterial I looked at the 400 was 34hp at the wheel and the xr250 was 30ps at the crank. I would have had a 400 but they couldn't restrict it to 33hp for me.(in 1998) I've since had 2 xr250r's one brand new. Great bikes.
Είσαι εκτός τόπου και χρόνου φίλος!!!!
I don't understand why people are surprised that 400cc is "enough" for motorways. I toured all around Europe on a 200cc Suzuki Bergman scooter and it easily kept up with motorway traffic with only 19 hp, but with the huge advantage of large underseat storage, comfortable seat and relaxed feet forward rising position, plus 95 miles to the gallon. The power to weight ratio of a 400cc motorcycle easily exceeds that of a 125 hp small car so what is the problem? You do not need 100 hp bikes - even heavy ones. They guzzle gas and you'll never get anywhere near using the power unless you want to kill yourself very quickly.
Totally agree
This bike is selling like hotcakes in india
No wonder its mega
Some people automatically assume that you need a large capacity engine to be able to cover long distances on dual Carriageways and motorways, you don't. My Royal Enfield 350 Meteor will happily cope with a 60 odd mile motorway journey at speeds of 65 -70 mph and would do this all day long in comfort and with the engine still in its happy zone.
Great point Jonathan, well said, couldn't agree more :)
It has the same power to weight as a 2011 Civic Type R with a 70kg rider. Of course, it's got enough power.
This bike ticks a lot of boxes, will be watching with interest over the next few months for any issues with them being reported, but can see this as a daily commuter to Canary Wharf.
Best commuter ever Adrian
Certainly the honest and trustworthy Glasgow accent helps.
Aww thanks man
Lets wait and see how the finish stands the test of time I think the residuals on these bikes will be appalling
Thanks for the comment dude :)
I'd much rather have a small capacity motorcycle that has enough use able power & is fairly lightweight,good on fuel too.
Your not alone Mark
Like you, I’ve fallen into the trap of preferring the larger engines when I wonder if a mid-sized one would serve me well on the commute. It’s interesting to have my views challenged…
Good review thanks Si 👍
Thanks Mike glad you enjoyed it, its perfect as a commuter and not expensive give one a go Mike you might love it :)