That would kill the whole music market. Loop packs, samples, even equipment presets. We will be listening to wind blown leaves and heavy breathing before it's all over.
This is almost as comical as suing over a chord progression. There's only so many different combinations of chords that work well together, in the same kind of way that there are only so many drum patterns that work well in specific genres.
All songs are drum patterns and chord progressions with lyrics performed over them so why are they protected hell why do samples need to be cleared its weird
That's what everyone says until it's their work being stolen and then al) of a sudden its a different attitude when someone else is making money from your thing
Music is becoming more and more ridiculous. In the painting world, you see guys literally painting Mickey and selling it in art galleries for thousands dollars. And here we struggle for a drum pattern.
If copyright laws get rewritten making drum patterns copyrightable, then the music industry may as well SHUTDOWN at that point. We all may as well stop making beats and throw our MPCs and 808s and 909s in the trash because chances are we all will get sued for whatever we come up with. Just about every conceivable drum pattern, especially involving 808 drums, has already been done by someone else at some point. Yeah, I hope this doesn't fall through. It would be a total disaster for everyone. I honestly don't think it's gonna happen
Much love.ima keep it BIBLICAL 'theres nothing new under the sun' it's just weirdos trying to stir up some GIRAFFE SHIT..LMAO so I guess beatboxing is gonna be copyright discussion....smh...much love.make music and eat tacos...✌😎🎧
This is getting ridiculous. Literally, everyone should be sued for even opening a daw or plugin...just for attention. Who isn't copying someone? How long has music been made by people? At least 2,000+ years and no one ever created a similiar pattern in history in the entire world??? Let's go to some of these tribes and listen to their rhythms to see if someone has stolen them and made mad money. LOL!
Remember the Diwali riddim? _In 2004, Lenky Marsden was awarded by ASCAP. His Diwali riddim is featured in "Never Leave You (Uh Oooh, Uh Oooh)" by Lumidee, "No Letting Go" by Wayne Wonder, and "Get Busy" by Sean Paul._
I am an avid dancehall listener and understand that in Jamaican culture an instrumental is used to back multiple songs just like the Diwali Riddim. Instrumentals are called a 'riddim' and all the songs on the riddim called a 'juggling'. The Fishmarket Riddim had multiple songs that were popular in Jamaica like 'poco man jam' and and later 'dem bow.' If Shaba Ranks credited Steely and Clevie on dem bow then other producers should as well.
I probably have over 2000 finished beats, is instrumentals on all platforms. I also have five albums and a couple EP‘s released on all platforms, and either alternative or metal. It makes me wanna just quit making music for people. Just do it myself for myself.
Let's be clear, having "standing" to sue is something that the court has considered, the fact the lawsuit is being allowed is because of that legal standing, NOT because they could win. A lot of times they need to get it on the books so that others can bring it up and use it as a record. The only way this gets handled is via legislation. When they create the legislation that will govern those rules. I think we are over speculating at this time. In my experience, most times this can go on for a very long time, the courts would consider or have to consider factors affecting the entire public good. Imo I believe what will happen is that the legislative experts will decide what recourse artists have. We have AI to contend with that can easily make the songs over without anyone's permission
They shouldn't be able to monopolize the genre but if they directly sampled the beats they need to pay up unfortunately. These dembow loops have been over used and they never paid for those samples till this day. The trying to copyright drums is crazy.... that makes no sense but definitely get paid for drums samples...
This argument holds no weight, as that drum pattern has been around long before Fish Market. Additionally, the precedent it would set would be: ‘Oh, 4x4, all house music done; 8-beat like Billy Jean… done; Planet Rock beat… all freestyle done.’ The judge will probably deny the case.
The foundation for a Reggaeton beat is a Kick on beats 1 and 3, with the Snare or other backbeat element playing on the last 1/16th notes of Beats 1 and 3 and halfway through Beats 2 and 4. The swing and syncopated feel comes from the skip you’ll hear just before Beats 2 and 4. Add a Quantize Swing value in 1/16th notes and that little skip will get stronger.
Nowadays people are suing just to be suing lol but seriously people have always found a way to pivot. This would be no different if worse case scenario happened
@@tbj4855 Secretly, I hope he does get some type of prominent recognition because them boys really think they invented his style… It’s crazy! He invented everything about drill, the cadence, hihats, slides & all. Make ‘Em Madder by Lil Bibby, earliest drill record on public platforms.
Yo! Lifetime listener of reggaeton and all Spanish genres here. I’ve been listening to all reggaeton since I was like 5 years old. There’s a few things here that are interesting to me. One of the main ones being cultural differences. In most genres of Spanish music, the drum/percussive patterns are exactly the same within each genre because it’s for dancing. If you look at Cumbia, Bachata, Merengue, Salsa, Punta, Duranguense, Norteña, etc etc each genre has a specific drum pattern and it HAS to be that pattern because it’s tied to a specific dance. The dance goes to the beat and the rhythm, and that basically defines the genre. I bring this up, because as far as I know, no one in the Hispanic music world has ever faced an issue over drum patterns. That just seems nonsensical to me. And that’s why this lawsuit is baffling to these artists and to the fans. There’s never been a lawsuit, no one has ever tried to claim to be the direct owner of a drum pattern/rythm. At least as far as I know. And these are genres that all transcend borders and races within Latin America. Music is looked at differently, it’s like the patterns are just there for community use, and everyone is understanding of that. That being said, none of those genres are as successful or as young as reggaeton, which leads me to the thought that none of the sources of the beats have been able to be pinpointed to a specific track, BECAUSE it’s so young. And it happened to be a track from another country. But that ALSO leads me to point out what y’all pointed out as well, were they really the first person to invent that drum pattern? Is it so unique that no one else would have accidentally stumbled upon that pattern and realized it’s gold? I’ve seen drummers who have never even heard of reggaeton in their lives do reggaeton beats while they were just jamming, playing the drums. If it was THAT unique and genius, and they knew it, why didn’t they register it right there and then as soon as they came up with it? Another thing I want to point out, is that I’ve seen a reggaeton documentary where one of the OGs from Panama brought out a toy kids keyboard from back in the 80s, and one of the drum presets on that keyboard was a basic reggaeton beat. But reggaeton didn’t even exist yet. And he claimed THAT was his inspiration, the inspiration that came from Jamaica was the melodies and singing styles. And this reminds me, reggaeton already went through a massive copyright issue in the late 90s/early 2000s. I can’t remember exactly when, but yea back in the day, early reggaeton was literally straight rips of hip hop/ dancehall tracks, but sped up and with a reggaeton beat put over it. All of the artists were street kids, and none of the DJs who were producing the tracks had studios. They were just making music any way they could, from their apartments with borrowed equipment from different people in caseríos (projects). Thankfully, after the lawsuit, they had all already made enough money to start producing original tracks. But the interesting thing is that the drum patterns were never the issue in that lawsuit. Just the rips of the popular songs. Anyways, these are just thoughts that came to me while watching this video. I could go on and on but I think that’s enough for now. To anyone who made it this far reading my long ass post, cheers 🍻 beers on me lol
@@DJPain1 It gets tricky with interpolation too because Sting sued Juice Wrld & Nick Mira, and still won. I don’t think it matters rather you sample or interpolate, the owners can & will still come at you.
@@ssmfetti I don’t believe he sued at all; he just demanded a majority share and got it. Interpolations of Melodies (lucid dreams was a replay) are clear-cut in terms of copyright law. Drum patterns are legally not supposed to count as copyrightable. That’s why this whole lawsuit is compelling
@@DJPain1 He didn’t have to go to court because he baited them in with threats. And even then still made sure to put the press on them again. These are Nick Mira’s words: “Fxxk @OfficialSting and his WHOLE team. After taking 85% of Lucid Dreams (for interpolating Shape of My Heart, NOT EVEN sampling) he threatened to take us to court for trying to get any %. Sting ALSO flexed stealing our money and said it put his grandkids through college.”
Okay, I finally checked out the riddims. It really _is_ just a drum pattern on an Oberheim machine! Shabba's version doesn't even have the live timbales from the FishMarket/PocoMan riddim. This whole thing is weird. There's just not enough substance to present as the DNA of 1,800 hit songs. That hasn't stopped people who know less than nothing about songwriting and IP law to turn it into a 🇯🇲 *vs* 🇵🇷 culture war, in every comment section. 🤦🏿♀️ _Cynical cash grab, or reparations for cultural appropriation?_ Those seem to be the choices… 😕
That is correct El General was one of the first pioneers to create the start of Reggaeton. With his hits Pum Pum mami mami, The next banger Muevello. That created a sound that went worldwide until today.
This sounds like someone used to chatGPT for legal advice and now they are taking it as far as they can. Fish market is almost all drums. It’s not very melodic. But the drums carry the song and there are intricacies in the drum rolls that unless you copied hit for hit, and it’s not just the general rhythm, idk …: those rolls are not very generic but most of those artists getting sued only use the basic rhythm and that should and hopefully will get taken into consideration, or this is just the beginning of something stupid… there’s a new type of artist in town, they make creative lawsuits 😂
Imagine if the movie industry started suing everyone for using the same "shot" as a previous film. That'd be ridiculous and there's probably a unspoken agreement that they don't that because you would never be able to make a film again. Why is the music industry in full cash grab mode?
Used to be originality was a thing. Now AI has the formula due to originality being tossed aside. I'm all for the originator to eat like the perpetrators. To acknowledge your drum pattern was bitten, is to acknowledge another person's hand in your art. Rap has already acknowledged the fact that it stemed from sampling but that did not stop the originality from taking place. If everyone kept originality in mind, then the cheat code formula let me eat off you style would disappear and music would move forward artistically.
There is a beat on Every artist album that came from somewhere else. Samples, patterns, even the instrument used all came from somewhere. If the patterns in question is actually used, them told they can't use it, Nobody would be able to use any musical instruments at all, if that's the case.
I hope they'll finally stop using that pattern. Thats the sole reason i don't listen to reggaeton anymore smh it just sounds like you're listening to the same song just remixed with a different artist..
wait your breathing pattern is just like mine i was born first so you copied me come on man. the what painting and art. you just the same brush strokes....come on this is insane.
Is it going to come down to Frank Sinatra, the Beatles, Elvis Presley, prince, metallica, suing every other artist in their genre in the world? Maybe even Frank Sinatra’s lawyer suing Metallica for a certain pattern . It just sounds ridiculous that they can even think about doing that.
Alchemist copied a drum pattern for “Johnny P’s Caddy” by Benny The Butcher ft J. Cole. Sometimes you do have to clear drum patterns. The original song was “Theme From the Planets” by Dexter Wansel.
@@Clypto You know what’s ironic? DJ Pain 1 replayed Timbalands melody, Pony by Genuwine, & they still had to clear it. I don’t know why people think because you replay something it’s all good… No, them people still want they money. Sting took Juice Wrld/Nick Mira to the cleaners even though the melody was replayed, guess what? Still got sued.
The owners produced the Shabba Ranks record as well. Shabba is their long time friend and one of the first artists on their Steelie and Clevie label. Shabba is ok if the lawsuit is successful. You also hear the shabba vocal stabs on some of the new records .. RIP Steelie
@@DJPain1 it's both Seelie and Clevie originally Another producer had permission to use their music in his productions. Pieces of his productions were also sampled by Spanish artists so he was added to the suit.
Long time coming. I was a kid and saw this coming. These trends come from scarcity and rocking the party. It's not just about legal defiance. But I'm hoping it will be.
@@dooshnukem32 damn fam I ain't famous. You don't gotta come get me. Srstho, you can't build a house on someone else's lot and act surprised when the bulldozer shows up. How could anyone not see this coming? Yeah, it was obviously going to come to a head. Almost a duh.
@@is-qs2ej reading it back, that sounds a lot more aggressive than I meant (I didn't mean "hang" like that lol, my b) But I'm gonna adjust your analogy a bit: this isn't about someone building a house on someone else's lot. It's about the first crew using 2x4 framing suing everyone else who did it after them, regardless of the fact that their method stands on countless revisions of previous techniques. I agree that there's a lack of creativity in mainstream music, even in more niche genres like drill, reggaeton, etc. But if this lawsuit is successful, it's not the win you think it is.
@@dooshnukem32 yeah you missed how I ended off my opening comment. We can't escape the rules of the game as long as we play the game. Whatever game has it's rules. I don't want to see craziness unfold. Either way it goes down, I do want this to be a wake up. Legal defiance would be like malicious compliance, or playing the system.. like when they wanna get dumb and say you owe Bach cause you played a piano, we can point at the country singers trying to act like they ain't trying to rap.. we can give the rolling stones a call and ask them about muddy waters... Etc etc. pandoras box.
@@is-qs2ej Ok, I see that now. Def missed that in your original comment. I guess we're trading a lil in that regard lol. I get you tho. I like the spirit, I just don't always have faith that the courts will side with reason every time, especially in such a convoluted space as progression vs melody vs rhythm vs IP vs art vs money, etc. A single decision can reinforce or dismantle the whole game overnight, it just makes me nervous I suppose. That said, it's not lost on me that the fine print is too fine and the open spaces are too large when it comes to copyrights and ownership. You're probably right in that it should be tested from time to time.
Big up Steely and Clevie they need to be credited and compensated in some way or shape. They were actually credited correctly for Dem Bow. Be honest, Oberheim owns all this shit😂🧢
Eventho I don't like people are being sued for this I would want to be recognized and compensated if I originated a pattern and then the world began to use it and making millions of of it.
My first thought was that this case threatens to disrupt the entire riddim culture. Isn't that free-wheeling migration of beats what makes dancehall great? Is this just another example of lawyers ruining art with their rigid concepts of "intellectual property," in opposition to natural creative/collaborative processes? But reggae producers deserve to be compensated just like anyone else in the music ecosystem. Even if their patterns get around like Tupac. I suppose this is a step towards that… So how do you differentiate between a "drum pattern" and a sample of a _specific recording_ of that pattern?
Per Wikipedia: _"Riddims are the primary musical building blocks of Jamaican popular songs… At any given time, 10-15 riddims are widely used in dancehall recordings, but only two or three of these are the_ now ting _(i.e., the latest riddims that everyone must record over if they want to get played in the dance or on radio)."_ _By 1993, Jamaica finally established a copyright act, but producers still face difficulty in establishing profit. Through proper registration, many artists now work on negotiating their royalties and taking it more seriously._ _The unique nature of dancehall and riddims have been highly influential on the numerous remixes that now circulate throughout R&B and hip-hop music._
@@crnkmnky lol I'm one of those persons and yeah it's part of a learning experience, happens in Hip Hop aswell. But tbh the new school of young producers are getting their royalties and it's showing. Especially in Jamaica, the producers rule. Plus the business structure is based off bussing a Riddim with a particular artist, we used to pay and still do pay artists to voice on our riddims, but you own the masters etc A big riddim with 1-3 artist can make u a big bag
What does "falling off" even mean when we are not the primary customer? American charts have never shown consistent interest in dancehall or any other reggae genre, other than these little bubbles over time.
Respect and Thank You 🙏 All. They tried to sue Public Enemy. Every drum and bass sample they had to use because they had no studio (this is never mentioned…they made music the only way possible) and drums and bass are difficult (not impossible) to copyright. This already happened. If this goes through? All samples for all hip hop in the first works were owned by big companies. So I am hoping the rulings cited by Chuck D hold. Have a musical week ~ stefan
What it comes down to is that there is going to be 10 artist from each genre or maybe in multiple genres that will be able to claim the rights to everything that’s ever been written since then. Everyone is influenced from someone. That also includes the Artist that are filing lawsuits. That will be the end of music and most of the industry. I don’t see that happening.
This is something I wondered about since the 90s when I got my first drum machine. I felt like I was making original patterns but then started hearing them thru the industry and I'm like damn I wonder if I could have sued if I had gotten it copy written. I'm very curious to how this pays out because I use so many legendary hip-hop drum breaks these days.
@@DameSmiff of course already hearing music I heard patterns but none like what I was creating at the time. I was beatboxer growing up and originality was Huge for me so I always tried to make patterns I never heard. I still to this day have these certain patterns that atleast from what I have heard haven't been duplicated. Somewhere in the world someone may have the same patterns but I just haven't heard it.
You'll find that drum pattern used by Brazillian drummers long before it appeared in Fish Market. They'll lose their legal battle and will lose a lot of money and credibility too.
First I saw Clevie playing timbale drums… talking about adding an un-quantized acoustic element inspired by local church revival music. But everybody else is talking about the Oberheim DX forming the sound. I don't even know…
Funky Drummer's been used a million times and some times only differentiated by the choice of sounds/tempo used. If the Clyde Stubblefield estate could sue for that, Rap Music would nearly disappear (or at least a lot of the early to mid life time of Rap's 50 yrs). The thought of that is Crazy!!!
Imagine if whoever came up with the four on the floor pattern sued. That'd be the end of literally every techno, trance and just about any dance song. Completely ridiculous.
I'm going to share this one with my Facebook Circle cuz I have a lot of homies and homegirls that love reggaeton even though I can't stand it! Lol I like Nas Mobb Deep Jay Z J Cole Mysonne Jadakiss type of vibe but I think all my homies and my homegirls will get a kick out of this one even I got a kick out of it because to find out they're getting sued over a drum pattern is crazy cuz I've been making music since people were using the drum Loop albums and the Funky drummer beat and all that stuff
When did they start letting drumbeats and patterns be suable!!! always thought it was melody etc. Anyway, I am a R&B guy 360 Mafa lived off using others music and samples. I don't believe this will happen because they have to change the whole laws to let it proceed.
Steely and clevie made fish market aka pocoman jam riddim shaba ranks producer ask for the permits to us the instrumental and made shaba ranks dembow this Jamaicans producers were also producing for panamanian artis to translate to Spanish to open the latin market and introduced dancehall, Dennis the menace made the instrumental for nando boom so he can sing the Spanish version but nando didn't like the words so he sang pension... it talk about a person who is retired the producers didn't want that and forced nando boom to translate shaba ranks song. Nando booms dembow is called ellos benian the instrumental that the Puerto Rican us is nando boom instrumental made by Dennis da menace and its called pounder riddim... Dennis da menace also made el general instrumental son bow a second version of shaba ranks dembow all with permits.... Puerto Ricans just took this records and use the instrumental with out permits
No biting styles! It’s simple be original and fresh! Prods are copying beat patterns more then ever!! Dah that’s why every song sounds the same! That so lame btw! It’s the streaming plats and labels keeping the low energy songs playing! We are getting played my peeps! Music should be elevating us not killing us!
BIG BLACK legendary, jazz percussionist created, and played this beat in the 50s as well as created the bebop percussion patterns check him out , big black Soulpower with James Brown in Africa, he is the inventor of modern percussion beats used in all genres
Regardless, a genre was created (it’s base for the genre) no one owns a genre. Genres share base rhythm, now if reggaeton wasn’t a genre but a group of random individual songs… I can see a case but then again realistically how many “creative” pattern/ beat pace can you create with a drum 😅🫠not many without there being overlaps. If he cared about his “art, why copyright it recently in 2020. So it was basically public domine for 30+ years, now legally claimed 🤔🤑. Can copyrights be implemented on already copyrighted items?? As most of these songs are copyrighted. Interesting nonetheless. Would’ve he been able to carry the genre to its current international weight? If so, why hasn’t dancehall made it as big? Because it was not just the basic drum beat(pattern” but a combination of other factors that made reggaeton popular. In my random opinion, no, they shouldn’t receive monetary compensation to the fact of the amount reggaeton has made based on 1 drum pattern(one component). Why take credit for success he hasn’t been able to achieve within the “genre” he’s been active on for so many years???? Shows success was not dust upon because that particular factor but compilation of factors, one of many being the artist “creative” 🤫hand.
Everybody Before this Generation of Producers Have sampled So they really look like a bunch of “Has Beens Going Broke “ now they are suing stay afloat 😂😂😂
Steely & Clevie have a point but I do not think they can win a lawsuit coz basically it will mean they own reggaeton & part of dancehall genre as a whole which is impossible because if the judge rules in their favor this will kill creativity. So many lawsuits would start popin out. Imagine someone coming out and says I invented big room edm or I invented rock music. The whole industry will just collapse. Makes sense??
Greed is a mfer especially when you’re not reaching out to the real musicians /creator’s to clear a sounds/music they took time/ energy to make.. I love it!! Because you literally got “ Boom boom clap “ beat makers acting like they’re the best when if you couldn’t sample, how “ great “ of a producer would you really be🤔 Don’t get me wrong, i’m for sampling..but not when the little guy isn’t left out like we don’t have families to feed as well🤷🏽♂️
but think about it - rhythm goes back to Africans and Indians and all the people before us. meaning they similar rhythms from the way they clap to the way congas or hand drums were played for 100s of years. the person that is suing reggaeton as a hole - they took from music from ancient rhydoms I mean if we really want to take it back. I'm sure you can find the chief in one one of the tribes in Africa that can tell you oh yeah we been playing that type of rhythms or similar for centuries. you know what I mean. or another example is the Mexican nortena and Banda they all sound the same as far as the drums go. and I'm sure all over the world there is styles of music that have the same similar drums patterns for centuries. is a very hard topic to break down or even try to take credit for when you know inspiration came from similar older world music or something. LOL that's my point of view anyways not saying I'm write but something to think about.
This is weird to me because Dennis The Menace's riddim 'Pounder' is used to this day on all these Reggaeton songs, not the Steely & Cleavie riddim.... Pounder was also the riddim used on the original Nando Boom song
If this goes through then kiss your favorite genres goodbye 👋 creativity out the window from there...nomore purpose or reason to try and make anything unless its a copyright trap! For example... imagine if this was the future in music it would force people to start placing kicks and snares in other spots that sound totally off beat and ridiculous because they don't want to get sued and at the same time to be the first to make that pattern leading them to get royalties from others that for some reason would want to use a flammy off beat pattern that feels awkward to listen to 😂😂😂 this will literally kill music ⚰️
this case is going to fall through. if it doesn't, eventually someone will be able to copyright any and all music as their own, even door bell jingles.
Low high key, my computer was stolen three years ago, and somehow Bad Bunny ended up with a lot of my catalog. And so did burner boy and drakes song titled nonstop is definitely my stolen. Beat from Instagram.
Who's next ? Anyone using the Jersey club type beat ? How about four on the Floor Disco at 120 BPM ? 440 hz tuning ? We all use it C major scale ? this is ridiculous
I still think that the blurred lines case (and a few others for that matter) was a dog and pony show, put on by industry moguls, specifically designed design to set a legal precedent that would have a chilling effect on the "sound- alike" licensing industry. I truly believe that both the plaintiffs and and defendants were paid to play those scenarios out.
she is just smiling way to much like shes so happy about this i mean is she even a producer like this is even effecting original beat makers like eventually mozart relatives are gonna own everybody whats next you cant play piano in a beat you go after drum patterns what happens next
First off the drums in that song were not that original as if anyone whom has listened to any reagge or afro carribean music can hear that, now if someone sample the actual drums from the recording yes then that is a grounds for a suit also the beat itself is so similar to grooves Sly , Robbie and other Dancehall greats were already grooving too already as there are way to many similar beats way before fish market because it is part of the genre that's like suing over a 1 V IV blues progression or 1 Vi II V pop progression gtfoh scaring those who are ignorant to music theory and composition as the aforementioned progression I named are prevalent in thousands of hit recording in the last 100 years now remember only if your sampling you got a problem.lol😂
Could this be the reason in the Star Trek universe, none of the characters seem to listen to any contemporary music from their time? obviously because it doesn't exist, but this is something to ponder about.
Ok so now i am going to have to open up my daw and show them tracks? Oh you see here that swing on bar 3 is not the same. No the high hats are delayed by 0.0034.
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Imagine if the first horror movie tried to sue every movie released after them because their antagonists also scare and stab people.
That would kill the whole music market. Loop packs, samples, even equipment presets. We will be listening to wind blown leaves and heavy breathing before it's all over.
"We will be listening to wind blown leaves and heavy breathing before it's all over."
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Yo I'm rolling LMAO but you're not lying
So who ever sues for making/inventing murder music is gonna make a killing 😂🤣😭
no you won't because someone will sue over that too.
This is almost as comical as suing over a chord progression. There's only so many different combinations of chords that work well together, in the same kind of way that there are only so many drum patterns that work well in specific genres.
All songs are drum patterns and chord progressions with lyrics performed over them so why are they protected hell why do samples need to be cleared its weird
@@sontwisted the recording alone should be what is copyrighted
Facts
That's what everyone says until it's their work being stolen and then al) of a sudden its a different attitude when someone else is making money from your thing
@@AnthonyCodringtonTopCatBig Fckn Facts
Reggaeton is going to get sued OD they been using the same drum loop since the 90s
Music is becoming more and more ridiculous. In the painting world, you see guys literally painting Mickey and selling it in art galleries for thousands dollars. And here we struggle for a drum pattern.
If copyright laws get rewritten making drum patterns copyrightable, then the music industry may as well SHUTDOWN at that point. We all may as well stop making beats and throw our MPCs and 808s and 909s in the trash because chances are we all will get sued for whatever we come up with. Just about every conceivable drum pattern, especially involving 808 drums, has already been done by someone else at some point.
Yeah, I hope this doesn't fall through. It would be a total disaster for everyone. I honestly don't think it's gonna happen
If it does, the black market would become increasingly attractive to the music industry.
Back to real instrument hooked to beat machines
@@TheQueenz_MadMan Yep. It's time to can the plug-ins.
Sued Over a Drum Pattern is crazy lol! That's wild to me.
Much love.ima keep it BIBLICAL 'theres nothing new under the sun' it's just weirdos trying to stir up some GIRAFFE SHIT..LMAO so I guess beatboxing is gonna be copyright discussion....smh...much love.make music and eat tacos...✌😎🎧
This is getting ridiculous. Literally, everyone should be sued for even opening a daw or plugin...just for attention. Who isn't copying someone? How long has music been made by people? At least 2,000+ years and no one ever created a similiar pattern in history in the entire world??? Let's go to some of these tribes and listen to their rhythms to see if someone has stolen them and made mad money. LOL!
This lawsuit would hurt the labels as well, so therefore they won’t let it happen 😂
Lmfao almost forgot wich side we are on
good point
People are going to start suing for 4 on the floor 🤣
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Whelp, there goes EDM and house if that happens 🤷🏼
Remember the Diwali riddim?
_In 2004, Lenky Marsden was awarded by ASCAP. His Diwali riddim is featured in "Never Leave You (Uh Oooh, Uh Oooh)" by Lumidee, "No Letting Go" by Wayne Wonder, and "Get Busy" by Sean Paul._
Yes it’s arguably the greatest instrumental of all time
I am an avid dancehall listener and understand that in Jamaican culture an instrumental is used to back multiple songs just like the Diwali Riddim. Instrumentals are called a 'riddim' and all the songs on the riddim called a 'juggling'. The Fishmarket Riddim had multiple songs that were popular in Jamaica like 'poco man jam' and and later 'dem bow.' If Shaba Ranks credited Steely and Clevie on dem bow then other producers should as well.
I probably have over 2000 finished beats, is instrumentals on all platforms. I also have five albums and a couple EP‘s released on all platforms, and either alternative or metal. It makes me wanna just quit making music for people. Just do it myself for myself.
Let's be clear, having "standing" to sue is something that the court has considered, the fact the lawsuit is being allowed is because of that legal standing, NOT because they could win. A lot of times they need to get it on the books so that others can bring it up and use it as a record. The only way this gets handled is via legislation. When they create the legislation that will govern those rules. I think we are over speculating at this time. In my experience, most times this can go on for a very long time, the courts would consider or have to consider factors affecting the entire public good. Imo I believe what will happen is that the legislative experts will decide what recourse artists have. We have AI to contend with that can easily make the songs over without anyone's permission
No More 4 On The Floor 😂
Must get thrown out. This is nonsense.
They shouldn't be able to monopolize the genre but if they directly sampled the beats they need to pay up unfortunately. These dembow loops have been over used and they never paid for those samples till this day. The trying to copyright drums is crazy.... that makes no sense but definitely get paid for drums samples...
They did not, that was central to our conversation
This argument holds no weight, as that drum pattern has been around long before Fish Market. Additionally, the precedent it would set would be: ‘Oh, 4x4, all house music done; 8-beat like Billy Jean… done; Planet Rock beat… all freestyle done.’ The judge will probably deny the case.
The foundation for a Reggaeton beat is a Kick on beats 1 and 3, with the Snare or other backbeat element playing on the last 1/16th notes of Beats 1 and 3 and halfway through Beats 2 and 4. The swing and syncopated feel comes from the skip you’ll hear just before Beats 2 and 4. Add a Quantize Swing value in 1/16th notes and that little skip will get stronger.
Nowadays people are suing just to be suing lol but seriously people have always found a way to pivot. This would be no different if worse case scenario happened
If this works, DJ L is going to be owed parts of all drill records. He created drill beats.
Man shut up. Dj L did not create drill goof ball
@@ProdbyGrimeyredYes he did, it’s a known fact. 🤡
Dj L gone own all of UK drill shit too 💀💀
@@tbj4855 Secretly, I hope he does get some type of prominent recognition because them boys really think they invented his style… It’s crazy! He invented everything about drill, the cadence, hihats, slides & all. Make ‘Em Madder by Lil Bibby, earliest drill record on public platforms.
Yo! Lifetime listener of reggaeton and all Spanish genres here. I’ve been listening to all reggaeton since I was like 5 years old. There’s a few things here that are interesting to me. One of the main ones being cultural differences. In most genres of Spanish music, the drum/percussive patterns are exactly the same within each genre because it’s for dancing. If you look at Cumbia, Bachata, Merengue, Salsa, Punta, Duranguense, Norteña, etc etc each genre has a specific drum pattern and it HAS to be that pattern because it’s tied to a specific dance. The dance goes to the beat and the rhythm, and that basically defines the genre. I bring this up, because as far as I know, no one in the Hispanic music world has ever faced an issue over drum patterns. That just seems nonsensical to me. And that’s why this lawsuit is baffling to these artists and to the fans. There’s never been a lawsuit, no one has ever tried to claim to be the direct owner of a drum pattern/rythm. At least as far as I know. And these are genres that all transcend borders and races within Latin America. Music is looked at differently, it’s like the patterns are just there for community use, and everyone is understanding of that. That being said, none of those genres are as successful or as young as reggaeton, which leads me to the thought that none of the sources of the beats have been able to be pinpointed to a specific track, BECAUSE it’s so young. And it happened to be a track from another country. But that ALSO leads me to point out what y’all pointed out as well, were they really the first person to invent that drum pattern? Is it so unique that no one else would have accidentally stumbled upon that pattern and realized it’s gold? I’ve seen drummers who have never even heard of reggaeton in their lives do reggaeton beats while they were just jamming, playing the drums. If it was THAT unique and genius, and they knew it, why didn’t they register it right there and then as soon as they came up with it? Another thing I want to point out, is that I’ve seen a reggaeton documentary where one of the OGs from Panama brought out a toy kids keyboard from back in the 80s, and one of the drum presets on that keyboard was a basic reggaeton beat. But reggaeton didn’t even exist yet. And he claimed THAT was his inspiration, the inspiration that came from Jamaica was the melodies and singing styles. And this reminds me, reggaeton already went through a massive copyright issue in the late 90s/early 2000s. I can’t remember exactly when, but yea back in the day, early reggaeton was literally straight rips of hip hop/ dancehall tracks, but sped up and with a reggaeton beat put over it. All of the artists were street kids, and none of the DJs who were producing the tracks had studios. They were just making music any way they could, from their apartments with borrowed equipment from different people in caseríos (projects). Thankfully, after the lawsuit, they had all already made enough money to start producing original tracks. But the interesting thing is that the drum patterns were never the issue in that lawsuit. Just the rips of the popular songs. Anyways, these are just thoughts that came to me while watching this video. I could go on and on but I think that’s enough for now. To anyone who made it this far reading my long ass post, cheers 🍻 beers on me lol
You can only do so many different combinations this is crazy 😂crazy
The last few court cases didn't turn out too well for creators because judges aren't artist.
Can’t forget the song, “Amen, Brother” by The Winstons! Their drum pattern was sampled in over 6000+ songs! And counting…
Sampling is a clear cut case of copyright infringement though, so it’s fundamentally different
@@DJPain1 It gets tricky with interpolation too because Sting sued Juice Wrld & Nick Mira, and still won. I don’t think it matters rather you sample or interpolate, the owners can & will still come at you.
@@ssmfetti I don’t believe he sued at all; he just demanded a majority share and got it. Interpolations of Melodies (lucid dreams was a replay) are clear-cut in terms of copyright law. Drum patterns are legally not supposed to count as copyrightable. That’s why this whole lawsuit is compelling
@@DJPain1 He didn’t have to go to court because he baited them in with threats. And even then still made sure to put the press on them again. These are Nick Mira’s words:
“Fxxk @OfficialSting and his WHOLE team. After taking 85% of Lucid Dreams (for interpolating Shape of My Heart, NOT EVEN sampling) he threatened to take us to court for trying to get any %. Sting ALSO flexed stealing our money and said it put his grandkids through college.”
He didn't win juice paid because he didnt know about the business@ssmfetti
Okay, I finally checked out the riddims. It really _is_ just a drum pattern on an Oberheim machine! Shabba's version doesn't even have the live timbales from the FishMarket/PocoMan riddim.
This whole thing is weird. There's just not enough substance to present as the DNA of 1,800 hit songs.
That hasn't stopped people who know less than nothing about songwriting and IP law to turn it into a 🇯🇲 *vs* 🇵🇷 culture war, in every comment section. 🤦🏿♀️
_Cynical cash grab, or reparations for cultural appropriation?_ Those seem to be the choices… 😕
That is correct El General was one of the first pioneers to create the start of Reggaeton. With his hits Pum Pum mami mami, The next banger Muevello. That created a sound that went worldwide until today.
This sounds like someone used to chatGPT for legal advice and now they are taking it as far as they can. Fish market is almost all drums. It’s not very melodic. But the drums carry the song and there are intricacies in the drum rolls that unless you copied hit for hit, and it’s not just the general rhythm, idk …: those rolls are not very generic but most of those artists getting sued only use the basic rhythm and that should and hopefully will get taken into consideration, or this is just the beginning of something stupid… there’s a new type of artist in town, they make creative lawsuits 😂
Imagine if the movie industry started suing everyone for using the same "shot" as a previous film. That'd be ridiculous and there's probably a unspoken agreement that they don't that because you would never be able to make a film again. Why is the music industry in full cash grab mode?
Used to be originality was a thing. Now AI has the formula due to originality being tossed aside. I'm all for the originator to eat like the perpetrators. To acknowledge your drum pattern was bitten, is to acknowledge another person's hand in your art. Rap has already acknowledged the fact that it stemed from sampling but that did not stop the originality from taking place. If everyone kept originality in mind, then the cheat code formula let me eat off you style would disappear and music would move forward artistically.
I created the notes, scales and chords I’m suing everyone whoever made music in history 🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️ 🧢
New sounds and techniques and starve people out by not sampling
There is a beat on Every artist album that came from somewhere else. Samples, patterns, even the instrument used all came from somewhere. If the patterns in question is actually used, them told they can't use it, Nobody would be able to use any musical instruments at all, if that's the case.
I hope they'll finally stop using that pattern. Thats the sole reason i don't listen to reggaeton anymore smh it just sounds like you're listening to the same song just remixed with a different artist..
This. Why. I. Make. Own. Music. Don't need. Person. Tell. Me. About make. Music. Hat. Kick. Bass. Clap. Bmp 80. Funny beatz
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Listen to womack and womack "baby im scared of you" this was released in 1983. Listen to breakdowns, same basic drum pattern.
Yep I was gonna bring this exact song up on the next episode
Wow, I didn't realize how many… interesting romantic tangles the Womack brothers got into. 😳
wait your breathing pattern is just like mine i was born first so you copied me come on man. the what painting and art. you just the same brush strokes....come on this is insane.
Is it going to come down to Frank Sinatra, the Beatles, Elvis Presley, prince, metallica, suing every other artist in their genre in the world? Maybe even Frank Sinatra’s lawyer suing Metallica for a certain pattern . It just sounds ridiculous that they can even think about doing that.
Dam and in My field of expertise 😂 dancehall beats
Alchemist copied a drum pattern for “Johnny P’s Caddy” by Benny The Butcher ft J. Cole. Sometimes you do have to clear drum patterns. The original song was “Theme From the Planets” by Dexter Wansel.
He cleared the pattern?
Yes @@DJPain1He Cleared It...He Didn't Replay It...
@@DJPain1 Not him personally but Gazi from Empire, the label, did.
@@Clypto You know what’s ironic? DJ Pain 1 replayed Timbalands melody, Pony by Genuwine, & they still had to clear it. I don’t know why people think because you replay something it’s all good… No, them people still want they money. Sting took Juice Wrld/Nick Mira to the cleaners even though the melody was replayed, guess what? Still got sued.
the pattern wasn't cleared; the drum SAMPLE was cleared. Big difference there.
The owners produced the Shabba Ranks record as well. Shabba is their long time friend and one of the first artists on their Steelie and Clevie label. Shabba is ok if the lawsuit is successful. You also hear the shabba vocal stabs on some of the new records .. RIP Steelie
Why is another producer primarily credited for that riddim?
@@DJPain1 it's both Seelie and Clevie originally Another producer had permission to use their music in his productions. Pieces of his productions were also sampled by Spanish artists so he was added to the suit.
Long time coming. I was a kid and saw this coming. These trends come from scarcity and rocking the party. It's not just about legal defiance. But I'm hoping it will be.
Long time coming? You sure that's the stance you wanna hang on?
@@dooshnukem32 damn fam I ain't famous. You don't gotta come get me. Srstho, you can't build a house on someone else's lot and act surprised when the bulldozer shows up. How could anyone not see this coming? Yeah, it was obviously going to come to a head. Almost a duh.
@@is-qs2ej reading it back, that sounds a lot more aggressive than I meant (I didn't mean "hang" like that lol, my b)
But I'm gonna adjust your analogy a bit: this isn't about someone building a house on someone else's lot. It's about the first crew using 2x4 framing suing everyone else who did it after them, regardless of the fact that their method stands on countless revisions of previous techniques.
I agree that there's a lack of creativity in mainstream music, even in more niche genres like drill, reggaeton, etc. But if this lawsuit is successful, it's not the win you think it is.
@@dooshnukem32 yeah you missed how I ended off my opening comment. We can't escape the rules of the game as long as we play the game. Whatever game has it's rules. I don't want to see craziness unfold. Either way it goes down, I do want this to be a wake up. Legal defiance would be like malicious compliance, or playing the system.. like when they wanna get dumb and say you owe Bach cause you played a piano, we can point at the country singers trying to act like they ain't trying to rap.. we can give the rolling stones a call and ask them about muddy waters... Etc etc. pandoras box.
@@is-qs2ej Ok, I see that now. Def missed that in your original comment. I guess we're trading a lil in that regard lol.
I get you tho. I like the spirit, I just don't always have faith that the courts will side with reason every time, especially in such a convoluted space as progression vs melody vs rhythm vs IP vs art vs money, etc. A single decision can reinforce or dismantle the whole game overnight, it just makes me nervous I suppose. That said, it's not lost on me that the fine print is too fine and the open spaces are too large when it comes to copyrights and ownership. You're probably right in that it should be tested from time to time.
damn, just imagine Afrika Bambaataa's (Planet Rock ) drum pattern he is about to become a billionaire 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe Andre 3k on to something😂😂
I mean anyone can sue anyone for anything. I want to follow up with this after the inevitable motion to dismiss is filed and ruled on
We are forgetting that dancehall music and so call dembo, reggaeton, was inspired by african music too. Even with the pattern of drums.
If I were the lawyer for the defense, I'd find all of these examples
Big up Steely and Clevie they need to be credited and compensated in some way or shape. They were actually credited correctly for Dem Bow.
Be honest, Oberheim owns all this shit😂🧢
Your name is literally *Reggae Sample,* so of course you support this.
I'm kidding!
For sure!
Eventho I don't like people are being sued for this I would want to be recognized and compensated if I originated a pattern and then the world began to use it and making millions of of it.
Did they originate the pattern though?
@@DJPain1 that's why I said "if" they originated it
Rich or poor no matter what religion we all end up in the same dirt in the end we are all in this together may you all live long and prosper ❤
My first thought was that this case threatens to disrupt the entire riddim culture. Isn't that free-wheeling migration of beats what makes dancehall great?
Is this just another example of lawyers ruining art with their rigid concepts of "intellectual property," in opposition to natural creative/collaborative processes?
But reggae producers deserve to be compensated just like anyone else in the music ecosystem. Even if their patterns get around like Tupac. I suppose this is a step towards that…
So how do you differentiate between a "drum pattern" and a sample of a _specific recording_ of that pattern?
Salute tot the MEC family, we still banging out chyea!!!!
Per Wikipedia:
_"Riddims are the primary musical building blocks of Jamaican popular songs… At any given time, 10-15 riddims are widely used in dancehall recordings, but only two or three of these are the_ now ting _(i.e., the latest riddims that everyone must record over if they want to get played in the dance or on radio)."_
_By 1993, Jamaica finally established a copyright act, but producers still face difficulty in establishing profit. Through proper registration, many artists now work on negotiating their royalties and taking it more seriously._
_The unique nature of dancehall and riddims have been highly influential on the numerous remixes that now circulate throughout R&B and hip-hop music._
Dancehall is falling. Reggae-ton is on top. Afro beat and reggae ton that on the chat
No Dancehall is getting bigger. But the reggae industry is just screwed due to bad business structure
@@GanjaBabyy Would you say producers letting their riddims get passed around without copyright protection is part of the "bad business?"
@@crnkmnky lol I'm one of those persons and yeah it's part of a learning experience, happens in Hip Hop aswell. But tbh the new school of young producers are getting their royalties and it's showing. Especially in Jamaica, the producers rule. Plus the business structure is based off bussing a Riddim with a particular artist, we used to pay and still do pay artists to voice on our riddims, but you own the masters etc A big riddim with 1-3 artist can make u a big bag
What does "falling off" even mean when we are not the primary customer?
American charts have never shown consistent interest in dancehall or any other reggae genre, other than these little bubbles over time.
Dancehall cyaa stall
I just listen to fish market, yea I think this will get thrown out
Respect and Thank You 🙏 All. They tried to sue Public Enemy. Every drum and bass sample they had to use because they had no studio (this is never mentioned…they made music the only way possible) and drums and bass are difficult (not impossible) to copyright. This already happened. If this goes through? All samples for all hip hop in the first works were owned by big companies. So I am hoping the rulings cited by Chuck D hold. Have a musical week ~ stefan
Just check this guy’s energy🤔
What do you mean why? If it doesn’t move forward it’s because it doesn’t make sense
Cooks about to start sueing over using the same seasonings, butchers about to sue over cuts of meat! 😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
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What it comes down to is that there is going to be 10 artist from each genre or maybe in multiple genres that will be able to claim the rights to everything that’s ever been written since then. Everyone is influenced from someone. That also includes the Artist that are filing lawsuits. That will be the end of music and most of the industry. I don’t see that happening.
This is something I wondered about since the 90s when I got my first drum machine. I felt like I was making original patterns but then started hearing them thru the industry and I'm like damn I wonder if I could have sued if I had gotten it copy written. I'm very curious to how this pays out because I use so many legendary hip-hop drum breaks these days.
I’m curious what made you believe you were creating drum patterns? Without notation what made you land there?
Drum machine is programmable, via the step sequencer - something like FL studio sequencer
@@DameSmiff of course already hearing music I heard patterns but none like what I was creating at the time. I was beatboxer growing up and originality was Huge for me so I always tried to make patterns I never heard. I still to this day have these certain patterns that atleast from what I have heard haven't been duplicated. Somewhere in the world someone may have the same patterns but I just haven't heard it.
You'll find that drum pattern used by Brazillian drummers long before it appeared in Fish Market. They'll lose their legal battle and will lose a lot of money and credibility too.
First I saw Clevie playing timbale drums… talking about adding an un-quantized acoustic element inspired by local church revival music.
But everybody else is talking about the Oberheim DX forming the sound. I don't even know…
Finna play the snare on the 1 and the 3 and kick on the 2 and 4
Finna be a whole new genre, like them people who intentionally make disgusting food videos: _caucastic ragebait!_
Funky Drummer's been used a million times and some times only differentiated by the choice of sounds/tempo used. If the Clyde Stubblefield estate could sue for that, Rap Music would nearly disappear (or at least a lot of the early to mid life time of Rap's 50 yrs). The thought of that is Crazy!!!
The big payback too
Imagine if whoever came up with the four on the floor pattern sued. That'd be the end of literally every techno, trance and just about any dance song. Completely ridiculous.
I'm going to share this one with my Facebook Circle cuz I have a lot of homies and homegirls that love reggaeton even though I can't stand it! Lol I like Nas Mobb Deep Jay Z J Cole Mysonne Jadakiss type of vibe but I think all my homies and my homegirls will get a kick out of this one even I got a kick out of it because to find out they're getting sued over a drum pattern is crazy cuz I've been making music since people were using the drum Loop albums and the Funky drummer beat and all that stuff
When did they start letting drumbeats and patterns be suable!!! always thought it was melody etc. Anyway, I am a R&B guy 360 Mafa lived off using others music and samples. I don't believe this will happen because they have to change the whole laws to let it proceed.
Ayoooo Big Salute for that Too Lost plug, just browsed the site, looks very very enticing!
Thank you!! Remember to use the code Pain
Steely and clevie made fish market aka pocoman jam riddim shaba ranks producer ask for the permits to us the instrumental and made shaba ranks dembow this Jamaicans producers were also producing for panamanian artis to translate to Spanish to open the latin market and introduced dancehall, Dennis the menace made the instrumental for nando boom so he can sing the Spanish version but nando didn't like the words so he sang pension... it talk about a person who is retired the producers didn't want that and forced nando boom to translate shaba ranks song. Nando booms dembow is called ellos benian the instrumental that the Puerto Rican us is nando boom instrumental made by Dennis da menace and its called pounder riddim... Dennis da menace also made el general instrumental son bow a second version of shaba ranks dembow all with permits.... Puerto Ricans just took this records and use the instrumental with out permits
Damn this would open pandora. Amen break or the brown beat for nola bounce.
Pretty sure I was told a long time ago rhythms can't have a copyright, at least that was the precedent. Let's see where this goes (hopefully nowhere).
It’s still the case
@@DJPain1 yeah I'm not too worried on this one
No biting styles! It’s simple be original and fresh! Prods are copying beat patterns more then ever!! Dah that’s why every song sounds the same! That so lame btw! It’s the streaming plats and labels keeping the low energy songs playing! We are getting played my peeps! Music should be elevating us not killing us!
BIG BLACK legendary, jazz percussionist created, and played this beat in the 50s as well as created the bebop percussion patterns check him out , big black Soulpower with James Brown in Africa, he is the inventor of modern percussion beats used in all genres
Regardless, a genre was created (it’s base for the genre) no one owns a genre. Genres share base rhythm, now if reggaeton wasn’t a genre but a group of random individual songs… I can see a case but then again realistically how many “creative” pattern/ beat pace can you create with a drum 😅🫠not many without there being overlaps.
If he cared about his “art, why copyright it recently in 2020. So it was basically public domine for 30+ years, now legally claimed 🤔🤑. Can copyrights be implemented on already copyrighted items?? As most of these songs are copyrighted. Interesting nonetheless.
Would’ve he been able to carry the genre to its current international weight? If so, why hasn’t dancehall made it as big?
Because it was not just the basic drum beat(pattern” but a combination of other factors that made reggaeton popular. In my random opinion, no, they shouldn’t receive monetary compensation to the fact of the amount reggaeton has made based on 1 drum pattern(one component).
Why take credit for success he hasn’t been able to achieve within the “genre” he’s been active on for so many years???? Shows success was not dust upon because that particular factor but compilation of factors, one of many being the artist “creative” 🤫hand.
Everybody Before this Generation of Producers Have sampled So they really look like a bunch of “Has Beens Going Broke “ now they are suing stay afloat 😂😂😂
Steely & Clevie have a point but I do not think they can win a lawsuit coz basically it will mean they own reggaeton & part of dancehall genre as a whole which is impossible because if the judge rules in their favor this will kill creativity. So many lawsuits would start popin out. Imagine someone coming out and says I invented big room edm or I invented rock music. The whole industry will just collapse. Makes sense??
Dembow is on the King Jammy's label. Steelie and Cleevie where listed as the producers, the originators of the Fish Market riddem
Greed is a mfer especially when you’re not reaching out to the real musicians /creator’s to clear a sounds/music they took time/ energy to make.. I love it!! Because you literally got “ Boom boom clap “ beat makers acting like they’re the best when if you couldn’t sample, how “ great “ of a producer would you really be🤔 Don’t get me wrong, i’m for sampling..but not when the little guy isn’t left out like we don’t have families to feed as well🤷🏽♂️
but think about it - rhythm goes back to Africans and Indians and all the people before us. meaning they similar rhythms from the way they clap to the way congas or hand drums were played for 100s of years. the person that is suing reggaeton as a hole - they took from music from ancient rhydoms I mean if we really want to take it back. I'm sure you can find the chief in one one of the tribes in Africa that can tell you oh yeah we been playing that type of rhythms or similar for centuries. you know what I mean. or another example is the Mexican nortena and Banda they all sound the same as far as the drums go. and I'm sure all over the world there is styles of music that have the same similar drums patterns for centuries. is a very hard topic to break down or even try to take credit for when you know inspiration came from similar older world music or something. LOL that's my point of view anyways not saying I'm write but something to think about.
Lex Luger finna sue everybody for that Trap title/Right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Her in EU it GOT TO BE copyed 11 tones,patterns in a row, to be a plagiarism... 11 no, 12 plagiarizing
Whaaaaaat? Hmm those Union Drum Donkey plugins and similar ones... oh boi don't let it happen. Much love.
Good…. That loop is amazing … be original
This is weird to me because Dennis The Menace's riddim 'Pounder' is used to this day on all these Reggaeton songs, not the Steely & Cleavie riddim....
Pounder was also the riddim used on the original Nando Boom song
If this goes through then kiss your favorite genres goodbye 👋 creativity out the window from there...nomore purpose or reason to try and make anything unless its a copyright trap! For example... imagine if this was the future in music it would force people to start placing kicks and snares in other spots that sound totally off beat and ridiculous because they don't want to get sued and at the same time to be the first to make that pattern leading them to get royalties from others that for some reason would want to use a flammy off beat pattern that feels awkward to listen to 😂😂😂 this will literally kill music ⚰️
this case is going to fall through. if it doesn't, eventually someone will be able to copyright any and all music as their own, even door bell jingles.
Two nerdy dudes had a computer generate every possible melody and copyrighted it, just to prove how stupid copyright is.
@@ArchieBl3h that's interestingly hilarious.
Low high key, my computer was stolen three years ago, and somehow Bad Bunny ended up with a lot of my catalog. And so did burner boy and drakes song titled nonstop is definitely my stolen. Beat from Instagram.
Huh? Seems like this discussion started in the middle. I wish i didn't have to go searching now. A little background could have been good.
Who's next ? Anyone using the Jersey club type beat ? How about four on the Floor Disco at 120 BPM ? 440 hz tuning ? We all use it C major scale ? this is ridiculous
I still think that the blurred lines case (and a few others for that matter) was a dog and pony show, put on by industry moguls, specifically designed design to set a legal precedent that would have a chilling effect on the "sound- alike" licensing industry. I truly believe that both the plaintiffs and and defendants were paid to play those scenarios out.
she is just smiling way to much like shes so happy about this i mean is she even a producer like this is even effecting original beat makers like eventually mozart relatives are gonna own everybody whats next you cant play piano in a beat you go after drum patterns what happens next
Are you still doing your consultation ?
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Reggaeton’s beats actually originated from soca/calypso
First off the drums in that song were not that original as if anyone whom has listened to any reagge or afro carribean music can hear that, now if someone sample the actual drums from the recording yes then that is a grounds for a suit also the beat itself is so similar to grooves Sly , Robbie and other Dancehall greats were already grooving too already as there are way to many similar beats way before fish market because it is part of the genre that's like suing over a 1 V IV blues progression or 1 Vi II V pop progression gtfoh scaring those who are ignorant to music theory and composition as the aforementioned progression I named are prevalent in thousands of hit recording in the last 100 years now remember only if your sampling you got a problem.lol😂
Could this be the reason in the Star Trek universe, none of the characters seem to listen to any contemporary music from their time? obviously because it doesn't exist, but this is something to ponder about.
But what if it is not possible because of statute of limitations. 🎉 you’re welcome. 😮 note: this is not legal advice
lol wanna destroy music forever, Do this... I hope this is a publicity stunt or sum
To be honest I thought Reggaeton was "Spanish Dancehall" at first until I heard the name Reggaeton
Reggaeton beat inventor is Hamid El Shaeri period! Not some Panamanian dj lol
Ok so now i am going to have to open up my daw and show them tracks? Oh you see here that swing on bar 3 is not the same. No the high hats are delayed by 0.0034.