Alright here we go..."boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap" Totally original and it's definitely not stolen from from Queens "rock you" song...I want 100% of the proceeds if we collab! Lol
I agree, I come from the Dilla era where we dig for obscure samples. We know how to dig for samples and research the artist and start to understand the musics. Like Dilla the more listen. The more you start to understand music and be able to play from ear and feeling Then again a lot of us who grew up in the 70’s with fathers and uncles that had recorded collections. I learned from Dj spinna ,jlive large professor. A lot of us so many obscure sample we trade records like comic books.
@@DJPain1 I hope you're not disagreeing but merley pointing out the reality of it. Because as you said, them using a sample of other people's work then wanting compensation for the beat should not even be legal tbh. Lol
I think the issue on a grander scale is just how parasitic the music production community is compared to 90% of other creative hobby communities. It’s unfortunate, but music production gigs are infinitely harder to score than, for example, 3D animation or even video editing. As a result, really scummy scams like this are way more abundant. There’s also the “old head vs new head” civil war bs in the community because 14 year olds with access to Bandlab on their school issued Google chromebooks have the ego to convince themselves they know better than their teachers.
as someone who is on the younger side of the scene and industry, yeah most of my peers are either doing the work and making most everything from scratch or stealing samples and claiming they're working with the best. it's really toxic and annoying especially with how rude they are. though we're not all bad it feels like the art community as a whole is more focused on milking each other for money rather than sharing the craft
There is definitely a line that has been crossed. Don't be lazy. If someone wants to be in the music business, then first learn music. Then you can be creative. We are all influenced by someone....but ther is a huge difference in being influenced or inspired by a piece of work and just straight up stealing it.....
@@drenolynbeats he a big hater. Nigga we gettin bread and he dont like it. He wanna hog all da placements. We all can eat u dont gotta be da head because u cant be the head anyway. U aint runnin nunn my boy
Bruh, people tryna defend lying, stealing - thanks for this - as a sample maker - these "loopmakers" are taking these loops and fronting it as their own REALLY fucks me over. Y'all have no shame. Big ups for this bruv.
People get defensive when they believe you're spreading misinformation for "clout," or exaggerating statistics to push an agenda. "That doesn't happen" is the common response to a lot of different social issues in our world.
This is wild to me as someone who makes music that people are just tossing a bunch of samples together when I'm designing patches on my synths and recording shit with a field recorder. Wtf are people doing?
You are SO right. I loved this video. I see SO many people giving away these sample packs for royaltie splits. Once i actually made a sick beat using a nice sample, i never uploaded it purely out of respect for the owners of the song.
This needed to be said a million times over! I’ve bought too many loop packs from IG loopmakers who just repackage other peoples music and you don’t find out until you open the folder and listen to the files. It’s frustrating and backhanded. And it needs to be called out more!
I mean this with all sincerity, I'm not trying to talk down to you or anyone else or put anyone down. I'm genuinely am looking for understanding and an explanation. Help me understand the appeal of buying premade loops put together by other people. Not just premade, but specifically made for the purpose of helping people make beats? As someone who still digs for samples using vinyl, hits records stores, thrift shops and garage sales to find obscure sounds (not Michael Jackson and Prince) it just seems puzzling to me that people are willing to pay for the same premade sounds everyone else has access to. I make boom bap, lofi hip hop, and part of the fun is finding your own loops in songs or media that wasn't intended to be looped, or finding chops or just dope unique sounds you can use that everyone else doesn't have access to. I'm not saying it has to be done with just records, everyone doesn't have access to records, but you can use RUclips, or even a blue ray, the TV..real life sounds... ANYTHING, that's the fun of sampling. It's turning those sounds and rhythms that weren't meant for hip hop, or house, or edm or whatever type of music you make.. turning those sounds into your own. I don't understand these loop packs, and I'm looking for someone to explain what I'm missing, how they are used and why they are a tool that shouldn't be overlooked. It just seems odd to me. Can someone explain how my view is misguided.
@@liquidmetalslime9 ok i will introduce you. a loop pack is basically the same like a old vinyl record collection. the only difference is that a loop pack is made from composers/producers FOR other producers. and thats it. some a free for non profit some come with a little price. its about collabing on songs together. its a way to get exposure. bigger producers looking up loop packs of unkown talented composer to work with them. its inspiration. this is nothing new basiacally its just a way of collaborating and its a way to make easy songs. back then you had to clear the old samples which was super expensive and with a lot stress. with these "new" sample packs its way easyier to handle this instead of digging for HOURS, you just look up one of your favorite sample makers and buy one of the loop packs from them... no chopping, no arranging, no stress with the clearing. the world of sample packs is still pretty new and there is a ton of packs and very talented people out there and its worth to dig into this world, trust me. one of the first sample makers are frank dukes. he had this idea to put out his own packs of samples into the internet. look him up
@@liquidmetalslime9 @Liquid Metal Slime#9 It takes way less time to throw a beat together using samples when you have immediate access to the bpm and key, and without having to think about what effects to use, what parts to sample and so on. It seems to me as well that lots of ppl in the online rap producer game like to chase the most palatable and current sounds in this oversaturated fast-paced industry, so having a bunch of curated samples at your fingertips can really streamline that process. Someone who is trying to work with as many artists as possible to secure a placement and build a reputation out of an ocean of identical artists is solely focused on calculated output rather than a creative process. Just a side note, but man I didn’t know how fucked this was until I watched some video last year of this dude Taz Taylor from ‘Internet Money’ producing for Lil Yachty. All bro did was drag and drop a couple files and he basically had a whole lame ass beat ready like five minutes after he arrived lmao. The guy has assembled a whole squad of henchmen to make beats while he smokes and pretends, he’s Rick Rubin. I’m going to take somewhat of a shot in the dark here, but from what I’ve seen/heard, it seems like loop packs primarily serve a younger generation in contemporary hip hop that has inflated exponentially through the ease of access and entry that the internet provides to everyone regardless of musical ability/passion or lack thereof. Lots of ppl nowadays have this overwhelming desire to pursue fame and wealth through the easiest/quickest avenues possible and hip hop being one of the most popular and accessible genres attracts a shit ton of folks who just want to grind and maybe get rich in the process. I think that the loop pack industry has sprouted from the crazy demand for quick results in songwriting and production to try and keep up with the manic social media/music industry landscape where it can be incredibly difficult for artists nowadays, (especially generic ones) to grow if they’re not releasing new stuff constantly and spamming the algorithms and methods. imo
Thank you SO MUCH for shedding light on this mess that these people are doing! When I purchase loops the guidelines CLEARLY state that you cannot repackage the loops or samples and try to sell it as your own. Some people really just don’t give a f-ck!
I 100% agree and it's difficult for composers that create music to get sampled + discovered because of this issue. Making compositions take so much time, countless hours of music theory, and sleepless nights. Still love the whole process of recording with different gear and effects. Good things take time.
I came here, thinking this will be a roast on sampling and loops, But now that I finished watching the video, I completely agree with you. As a producer who is just starting out this is invaluable information, so thank you very much.
thanks man i just started producing and ive been going the route of coming up with my own melodies and flipping samples. you gave good advice that young people need to hear that just started. I dont see myself using loops unless im just practicing bc I still suck lol. I either use VSTs or one shots to create sounds.
That's why I buy all my packs from Cymatics, if I get a placement I'm cool. I know not to re-package their samples for my own monetary gain. Great insight DJ Pain and thanks for proving what's really happening.
If no one has it set it before, thank you DJ Pain 1 for doing what you do and giving out information to those that really want to learn the business and what to look out for. Stay blessed bro!
Much love for setting things straight... This info is actually very very needed to hear for all others who want to get into music. Maybe there's many who still don't know how this is suppose to work... 👏
That's why I make my own compositions, take my stems to create loops to repurpose... I have only begun using Splice and Arcade to show the "supposed producers" they are only ARRANGERS slapping loops together and a lot of loop makers are stealing loops and reselling them, then you have copyright strikes all over the internet.... Keep bring the PAIN....DJ Pain
Bro welcome to the internet your just fighting with people who wont put in the work. They still going to fight with you if it's the facts or cap. Keep doing you DJ Pain
Since following your page, i've only been enlightened on the industry and have learnt an immense amount of knowledge that i apply to my own production. Thank you for the content that you put out.
Thank you for keeping it real and sharing your experience. People be killing them damn loops acting like they really created something. It takes a good ear to throw effects on something but yo it's almost like stealing. The artist might as well be looping up the lyrics too.
Imma use this video the next time someone sends me a sample pack with samples that aren’t theirs, or better yet when the court case happens and they still don’t get it lol thank you again Pain for helping & educating the producer community 🙏🏾
If a producer makes a sample pack, can't they just sell them on CD? Or find an artist to make a beat for? What kind of beatmaker buys another diggers' finds? Haven't they learned anything from the 80s/90s? Or do they even care?
@@MattCupan well there are diggers who sell to producers, but they both know exactly what the situation is, one party isn’t claiming ownership of the samples
I just watched a video called "Beware of Stolen Sound Effects Packs." It appears that filmmakers are also being scammed by fake "royalty-free" libraries. One of the sellers named in the video replied that the stolen sounds were compiled by a sub-contractor, and apologized.
The Marco Polo Pad Thai sample packs have uncleared samples from KPM library records among other things. Those KPM library records are essentially sample packs to begin with. Literally unedited sfx from the KPM Communications library record to be exact. I could point out a bunch of others too.
KPM samples is an interesting one, as originally owning the records gave you the licence to use them however you saw fit, I think? Ah, except for of course recording and reselling them on to someone else, standard sample library terms and conditions, really...
Respect to you brother frfr , ima loop makwer but i make my stuff from scratch , and it makes me sick these so called loopmakers basicly stealing samples online lol...
facts big homie! shits sad these days and they all feed into it so heavy the second you have your opinion you the "hater" or "you played out" smh keep doing you g
The overcrowding of music in general has brought out idiots in all sectors of music, especially those they think they can enter easily. Where ever somebody can scam and attempt to come up fast they will..
This is the reason I don’t use loops at all… unless they’re my own. I have the integrity to make my own original loops and samples for other people to use, but this shit is the wild wild west and you just can’t trust these mfs. A parallel to this that I also have a problem with is producers using loops, adding drums, and saying “I made this beat”, instead of “I made this beat with so and so”. People really out here taking credit like they have any musical ability besides clicking in midi drum notes. At least say that’s all you did 🤦🏽♂️
I've been doing this for a long time. And this has been happening for a LONG time. It's happened to me. Which is why I stopped making loops for libraries like splice, and big citi loops and the like.
There is really no excuse for not crate digging today. It has literally never been any easier. All you need is a computer. You don’t need a turntable and a sampler. You don’t need to go anywhere to get “crates” to dig in. You can literally go searching for works to sample from bed. In fact, it is even easier. With technology today you can also isolate the specific instruments you want FAR easier then ever before
@@BrandonAdams1010 I don't think the issue is clearing samples. You get around to that when the label feels like they can put money into you and if it's enough to clear one or two samples or whatever, then you cross that bridge when you get to it. I think the issue that DJ Pain 1 is talking about is claiming that the sample is your own and trying to make money off of that. If you're gonna sample something, just know ahead of time what you're getting into before doing so.
im an artist and i produce myself and i ALSO use loops aside of producing all my melodies and chords. and i still agree with you. sometimes i think im paying this and im paying that, but this is a re-sample of a sample of a sample, that could have be owned by lots of people... and what then? so im in a controversial situation if i should use loops or not
Big part of the fun has been making my own stuff from scratch. I don't use samples that I didn't make, I don't even use factory settings on synths. I have the Yamaha reface DX and just love it because all the possibilities in creating new sounds. I've had drum sounds made from cardboard boxes and beats that are fully synthetic. The listener probably has no idea what is going on, but for me it's what makes my stuff feel unique for myself and "my style". Sure, I'm making music just for fun, but the learning process is a big part of the motivation: "oh, I can do THIS now". I do play gigs as a side hustle and everything I learn takes me further as a musician. But that's what it's all about for me: learning to express myself in new ways.
Good on ya. I love FM synths. I have a couple Yamaha FM synths from the 80s. An FB-01 and a PSS-680. My dream synth is the DX7. Yea it’s nice to tweak the sounds so you have something different. I love laying sounds. I will have two or three synths on the same MIDI channel playing the same thing. I mix them on a console. A piano or key sound is great layered with a string or pad. Just adjust the level and EQ of each sound. Not to mention adding effects to each sound. The RUclipsr Doctor Mix does recreations of songs. He’s able to figure out what synth or drum machine was used. I want my music to have sounds where someone can’t go “oh that such and such synth”.
thank you for all thse advice . I used to sample a lot and digging , and made a gold single with a sample but then the artists whom i Sampled , recognize his song and pursue me, and then we finally made an agreement, but this wad very difficult, he could own 100% of the entire song becaus i didn't clear the sample , we finally made a flip
bro youre a goat frfr Ive used soo many of your samples/loops when I was starting out making beats I was in shock when ppl said youre not qualified to speak on this
It's hard to trust nowdays, there's a lot of people making Instagram accounts with a good amount of followers, (probably they are buying followers) a couple photos of a random people with some famous producers, pretending to be those people and charge you for collabs, "guaranteed placements'' all that bulsh%t 🤮
Great video and very well explained. Been having conversations on this for a few years now with artists and their “productions”. I immediately Shazam a track to see if it comes up somewhere else.
there are genres that are based on sampling a disorting popular music but people who make those do not claim ownership of the samples use and honestly don't expect money from their work
@@JohnemonSilver I’m referring to one’s who have charged for the tracks they have presented as their own. In one case it was clearly lifted from another beatmaker. The singer had already put her vocals on it as a song and presented to me for release. Definitely not referring to creatives who manipulate loops for fun or enjoyment and post their work.
To me sound design seems like an integral part of the creative side of music production. That's not to say you have to do it from scratch; I love synth patching but most of the sounds I make are built from extremely fucked up default daw stuff, like sampled instruments or drums. Sample packs and stuff can be really cool and it's exciting to play a few of the sounds and imagine the possibilities, but very quickly it just feels like slotting puzzle pieces together into some predefined track rather than actually making something of your own. I feel like sampling is about either brutally fucking with the sound in question to make something new, or it's carefully refining and perfecting something in a kind of reverent way, then building something that adds to it around it. Either way it's meant to be creative yk. My favorite thing is taking a sound that sounds like garbage and making something cool out of it; it's so boring using sounds that already sound perfect for something.
I agree, I used melody loops from splice to learn how to use my daw (logic pro X) but quickly I realized how that lacked creativity. Now I mostly find tracks to sample on my own and try make something original out of it. But even that’s getting old now, so now I’m taking piano lessons.
I just experienced this the other night looking for a beat to write to. Came across a beat that literally was posted by like 5-6 different accounts all the same exact beat with alot of views to find out only 1 of them was the legit producer. 4-5 of the others look "poppin" claiming they made some one else's beat. It's sad af!
Yeah me and my boy was cooking up a random person loop and i was like this sounds familiar .. after hearing the loop more i realized it was a hot chilly pepper song 🤦♂️😵💫 we blocked that email lmao real fast..
It’s definitely a problem. I only make my own stuff anyways but it’s a huge turn off to use others content, and as a preset/sample maker it tarnishes confidence in people wanting to buy sample packs.
I’m actually someone who primarily uses loops and samples from Splice but tbh I WANT to make stuff from scratch, I just can’t figure it out. I need some hands on exp. to help me improve it. But tbh I think it’s still an incredible tool to help people like myself to grow in the areas of creating original beats/songs - eventually I want to grow out of relying on them, but I’m sure it’ll be something I use no matter what level I progress to
This is a mess. People with no talent will do anything to make it out here. Then they want to tear down people who do this for a living. I feel for you. I make beats but am more of a songwriter, which is another area where people with no talent litter, repeating other people’s lyrics. There is no end in sight.
I am 100% behind you on your perception. I have embarked on the journey to teach newcomers to music licensing FAR TOO MANY TIMES to hear "Bro, I paid for the loops, I can license them." smh.... Another thing that makes me come off as a curmudgeon is when an artist gets at me to do some custom production, and then they ONLY WANNA LISTEN TO LOOPS AND SAMPLES. I love getting a chance to sit down at the keys, or pickup the strings, or even hop on the cello. But nah, keep sample hopping or they have better places to spend their money... Really wish more "MUSIC ARTISTS" had even an inclination of a hint of ambition to ACTUALLY create music. Much love to you, my man! Kudos on your success, much faith n' high expectations for it to only grow for you. p.s. Thank you for not feeding a line of BS like the MASS of self proclaimed "producers" on the web. again, much love
also, sampling real vinyl is the funnest shit I have ever done..... (sidenote, I have a ton of BB King TYPE samples and a bunch of oldies, that I made, 100% I own 'em, I mean shit, I plugged the output of my turntable into my preamps, I even pressed record and started spinning the vinyl myself. 80/20 and out of your 20, i want 15% committed to marketing for the first 6 months, and, ANY placements are to credit me, as the 80% top chili fry maker in this opportunity for you) lol the parenthesis is all just sarcastic but fr, mf's be THAT KIND of outta pocket lolol that's why I stay focused on the music, hoping non-stop that someone rips the entitlement out of people like a soggy dread. lol digging your content my man, cant believe I never stumbled across you
No cap you 100% correct on this. A lot of these loop makers claim they make their “own” loops but they use splices loops 😂 Southside exposed yall who hire musicians and record them and send them off as loops smh. Stop trying to finesse the game. Producers pay attention and do yo research before getting involved. Make them loopmakers send you the stems 🎯💎 💯
you don't have the right to request a percentage for something you don't own. it's still from the same derivative work every sample essentially comes from an album and a song of origin. like any other record. royalty free stuff still has to be cleared and if you make a big hit you still have to pay.
@@DJPain1 I have read them..I still dont see a difference with being in the same room doing that or sending to another producer to co create…I’m not saying claiming ownership of the sample or redistributing to sell…but if I say aye Pain1 check this fire sample from SPLICE..lets turn this into a beat..thats a problem? So I only can make a beat dolo using Splice?
@@selfishbeats pay who? if thats the case you cant sell or take percentage of transformed drums loops or 808 one shots either…which producers are definitely doing
@@92kris nobody tries to press people over drums its not that clear cut as a musical piece is. most royalty free stuff is free provided that it's not a big hit NOBODY is going to let you get a huge song while they starve.
Just wanted to say thanks for speaking on these subjetcs (saw few others). I'm still improving my english and your videos are interesting and talked in a clear/understandable english. Have a nice day and hopefully we'll collab one day.
Ok.....I'm a musician/artist....been performing for decades and now a retired band director. I'm a total idiot to this as when I was recording, we were using ADAT....I just dated myself. My question is that if I use a sound sample from something like Arcade, do I need clearance?
Bruh the Kylie Minogue La La La "sample" sent to you with your reaction almost made me throw up on my keyboard 😂😂😂 but absolutely great and informative video as always 👏🏻
It's usually the record labels that are claiming them in my experience. Or the artists that upload on contracts are not declaring them therefore the label assumes ownership. Not the loop makers. The actual loop makers, like splice will actually get the claim removed for you. But as for these fools your dealing with, well they're straight delusional and you can guarantee they don't understand any side of copyright law, be it recording, publishing, performance or sync law.
This is why in my Beats I create every sample myself. It takes a long time to get the right sound but I don't have to worry about getting scammed. Great info again 👍 u hopefully save a lot of producers some stress. It's good ur educating people on these issues. Buying samples/loops is a good idea as long as it's done right 👍.
@@XSalador man I don't understand, are peeps crate digging for samples and loops, and instead of making a beat themselves out of it, they are instead selling em?
I think the disconnect lies first between the generations. The main problem (while this is also a good thing), producing is extremely accessible now. That means more people are making the music… So, you run into situations where you have people that are relatively new, getting placements…….. But don’t understand the game.
My sample library is filled to the brim with stuff and I don't know where it came from for the most part! I dont know what rights I have to use it honestly. Does this copyright stuff go all the way down to one shots or is it song samples/loops
@@DJPain1 Wow that's quite daunting too. Furthermore there's situations where stuff like breaks/drum solos like Amen Brother (Winstons) etc are used so much even though you technically commit plagiarism, Though the drummer and singer have died, someone still owns the copyright (The label most likely?), But NOBODY ever really clears them for commercial release. It's this grey area where you don't really need to worry about it and if groups like N.W.A are okay to use it uncleared I'm sure we'll all be fine! And if you're on the radar for this then you're already one of the most famous people out there and have made a ridiculous amount of money anyways. People have treated it as public domain for so long and it doesn't seem like there has been any law pursuits for plagiarism and if you're using it in a fairly complex way you've probably been transformative enough with it for it to be considered fair use. Sample clearance is weird, man! Be careful out there. This is a long shot but if you have any samples that you could hand-me-down, I'd be really pleased!
This is part of why I stopped making beats. Cause I LOVE digging for samples and finding something cool, flipping it into something dope, and sharing it with the homies. I used to go on old sites that would post bootleg foreign records in all sorts of languages and find lit shit. But the way things have changed, it's really got me feeling bad for how people go about their business. Nobody makes stuff anymore. Like, one of my favorite things to do in the world is chop up old drum breaks from vinyl, layer and process hits together, and make my own drums. It's a huge part of my artistry and I've been doing it since I was a sophomore in high school. I don't know ANYONE who makes their own drums like that. They all download sample packs, or use preloaded stuff. To me, that is a huge part of your sound. Back before my time, that was the only way to do it. Now, none of the kids coming up do it like that. They all use the same 808s and drum hits and percussion and wonder why their drums don't pop like other people's do. Yes it's a lot more work to do it the old way. But you do it enough and you'll build a library that'll go a long way. People just want to take the easy way out instead of perfecting a craft
Respect! Don't lose hope, I do the same thing. Been doing it since I started. In addition, now I get real drum hits from real drum kits. The game is still alive and I'm teaching it to the next generation too!
@@michaelcalderon6693 Jake One is awesome! He's made some incredible stuff. Even though his most well known work will probably be the John Cena song. But like, Rock co Kane flow is insane
I mean this respectfully, maybe in general you spend your time chopping up drum hits for samples while other people are already writing the beats they hear in their head. I understand your dedication to the craft, but some people just start writing with no knowledge. And make fire beats. It is what it is, music is like that in every genre.
i agree with you. I have been collecting samples since the late 90s/early 2000s and an extreme data hoarder. back then people would synthesize new drums or mangle chopped breaks beyond recognition. create their own patches. I have a huge skepticism of a lot of audio sample packs these days as recycled drum machine samples with some processing. I do have a lot of respect for the riddim/bass/dubstep community that focuses more on Vital/Serum patches that includes useful macro knobs etc. there is a lot of value in that. But audio loops/samples is recycled/stolen shit from other packs half the time. EDIT: and another problem is i notice people will take a synth patch someone else made(sometimes even a default preset), and then bounce audio of it and include that in an audio sample pack. i dont need that
i felt the metaphysical producer “community” room get real quiet when you busted out the Turbo clip lol 😅 . I love producing, but disgusted with the so called producer community, specifically on Twitter. Mostly a bunch of little dweebs, rolling on Vyvanse high off their 2022 Q3 $300 royalty check, making super bold and opinionated engagement subtweets, knowing they’re timid selves wouldn’t say a word to you in real life.
it is the worst b/c it impacts normal real people's perception of things. i miss gearsl*tz, where the pros could form complete sentences, and share the real sauce.
@@BrandonAdams1010 sad that the era of forums is no longer. reddit could never compare. seems like the whole internet has dissolved into a just few apps.
I like the engaging conversations that I can learn from and take away from in which might put me one step forward in the right direction. The fact you are giving this any attention is beyond me lol. Steer clear of the drama and keep your head in the game. Solid channel and solid content brother! 👊🧡👍EDIT: Didn't have notifications set to all... I do now lol... and here I was thinking you were slacking 👊🤣👍
As a sampler what do you recommend we do beside creating from scratch, what is the easiest way to get these samples cleared? Even the unknown artist that never been heard before
I think a lot loopmakers/sample makers engage in that practice. I wont say names but I bought two packs from people who are well established and the samples were 70s style records that were re sampled and put in their packs as original compositions. The original records were sampled for high profile hip hop artists. The backlash is coming from people who engaged in that shit too.
Through content ID I've found quite a few people re-uploading my free downloads to their 'copyright free music' RUclips profiles...smh.. I remember reaching out to one of the profiles and the page owner said "How are you just gonna change the terms?".... lol. Something is getting lost in translation here... smh..
Well said fam!. As a original crate digger I feel bad for the level of ignorance our game. You drop the truth. Long life is a success inits self. keep up the work fam.
I produce my own music and record, and I never used music samples from anyone ... Always created my own stuff ... Listening to this is mind blowing, to know that there are people out there stealing music from established artists and then pitch up or down and sell it to producers for profit it's disgusting really
Yo Pain this is the result of the young kids in the game who don't respect the OGs of the game and they've never even done one hour's worth of homework on artist of the past. However you really can't blame them, they're trying to get paid & remember it's written in the Bible "NIV: 1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." There's this guy I grew up with who's only five years older than me who finally got out of prison after being in & out since 1975. His last two jobs was robbing two banks. I finally got to talk with him & I asked him Ninja why the fvck did you keep robbing banks. He simply said "Cause that's where the money is" I guess getting a job was out of the question huh.... -BiG Pluck
@@DJPain1 You know Pain you're so right. However I'd say we can blame that mostly on the advent of the Internet. Where before you learned from an OG of the game who would tell NO noooo nononono you can't do that. Because you'll be a rat, you'll be cast out. You'll get black balled, known as unoriginal or worst yet GET YO ASS KILLED! The Internet is just a tool. These kids today use it as such to find what they want and put their ideas together with no guidance whatsoever.
I guess im not crazy for wanting to make all my own beats without sampling. The closest i get to using samples is one shots, top loops, and sample library vsts....i try to stick with the vsts and then do processing and resampling later. On the other side, i can never get shit done XD
I been playing piano since I was 8 years old, and really enjoy making my own Melodies and samples; flip side of this is I don’t end up collabing enough with prods I fuck with and using their loops. This is yet another reason why I prefer making my own stuff, and being more than a point and click producer copy and pasting other peoples stuff
Collab on a beat with me: bsta.rs/227bd24
Hey Pain, I have the same Yeti mic as you. Turn down the gain by about 10% to remove audio distortion.
Alright here we go..."boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap" Totally original and it's definitely not stolen from from Queens "rock you" song...I want 100% of the proceeds if we collab! Lol
@@chrisbaker7858 No because Boombap is not Boom Boop, Clap, Boom Boom Clap. Boombap is Boom Clap, Boom, Boom Clap, Boom, Clap Boom Boom, Boom, Clap.
@@HOLLASOUNDS 😂😂😂😂
I agree, I come from the Dilla era where we dig for obscure samples. We know how to dig for samples and research the artist and start to understand the musics. Like Dilla the more listen. The more you start to understand music and be able to play from ear and feeling Then again a lot of us who grew up in the 70’s with fathers and uncles that had recorded collections. I learned from Dj spinna ,jlive large professor. A lot of us so many obscure sample we trade records like comic books.
"As if having longevity in this game is like an insult" this is big facts, modern hiphop does not respect this 😂
Modern bitchassness doesn’t lol
Yea bro just look at Eminem lol.
Basically they want try to make 30mil off of one album then retire. I mean I get it yet that's also why nobody respects them.
My favorite line of the whole video and I loved the whole video. Nothing but (fact) checks and receipts.
New dudes are weirdos and don' understand the game
I am crying 🤣. How anyone can think sending loops of other people's work is okay and then DEMANDING compensation is okay is craaaaazy.
Read the comments dude people love this shit
@@DJPain1 I hope you're not disagreeing but merley pointing out the reality of it. Because as you said, them using a sample of other people's work then wanting compensation for the beat should not even be legal tbh. Lol
Dude, EVERYONE is doing this shit now. The lawsuits will be a flood. Not to mention: ridicule.
I think the issue on a grander scale is just how parasitic the music production community is compared to 90% of other creative hobby communities. It’s unfortunate, but music production gigs are infinitely harder to score than, for example, 3D animation or even video editing. As a result, really scummy scams like this are way more abundant. There’s also the “old head vs new head” civil war bs in the community because 14 year olds with access to Bandlab on their school issued Google chromebooks have the ego to convince themselves they know better than their teachers.
Couldn't have said it better myself, esp abt these young ones...👌🏾
as someone who is on the younger side of the scene and industry, yeah most of my peers are either doing the work and making most everything from scratch or stealing samples and claiming they're working with the best. it's really toxic and annoying especially with how rude they are. though we're not all bad it feels like the art community as a whole is more focused on milking each other for money rather than sharing the craft
There is definitely a line that has been crossed. Don't be lazy. If someone wants to be in the music business, then first learn music. Then you can be creative. We are all influenced by someone....but ther is a huge difference in being influenced or inspired by a piece of work and just straight up stealing it.....
Realistically I hear about people stealing visual art WAY more often than in music
I’m not even going to lie some of these teen producers be making bangers lmao
One of the most solid down to earth producers in the game… y’all better pay attention to this man!
Appreciate that 🙏🏽
yus siiiiiiir;)
Man forget this guy
@@dimeandbiggie353 why bro…why?
@@drenolynbeats he a big hater. Nigga we gettin bread and he dont like it. He wanna hog all da placements. We all can eat u dont gotta be da head because u cant be the head anyway. U aint runnin nunn my boy
Bruh, people tryna defend lying, stealing - thanks for this - as a sample maker - these "loopmakers" are taking these loops and fronting it as their own REALLY fucks me over.
Y'all have no shame. Big ups for this bruv.
Same bro, same. We gotta do something.
All music comes from God technically nobody creates anything we are just the angels/instruments of co creation
Great video bro! These scammers are easy to spot in my opinion, only the real honest musicians are going to stick around long term.
True, it’ll clear up eventually, it’s just flooded now
@@DJPain1 Facts and I don't blame you for being annoyed, it's annoying af
even if they're sending samples for free, if they can't show a cover for the pack , a website, Branded IG etc, no reason to trust it.
Appreciate you looking out and sharing the info! If people are getting mad at the truth it’s usually cuz they know they are guilty or misinformed.
You can't get mad at producers for speaking up about this issue. It almost makes you look guilty of doing what they are warning other producers about.
People get defensive when they believe you're spreading misinformation for "clout," or exaggerating statistics to push an agenda. "That doesn't happen" is the common response to a lot of different social issues in our world.
@@crnkmnky And it’s usually people who do those things saying it doesn’t happen, both with irrelevant things and social issues.
Exactly what i thought
This is why I'm leaning towards only making my loops from stock sounds from my DAW, I've come up with some extraterrestrial heat
May YOU receive all the success this world affords, wishing you the very best. Respect. 👊🏽
This is wild to me as someone who makes music that people are just tossing a bunch of samples together when I'm designing patches on my synths and recording shit with a field recorder. Wtf are people doing?
As someone who does the same thing (for the most part) I know exactly what you mean by extraterrestrial heat🤣👌🏻
Try recording original sounds, with a microphone 🙂
You are SO right. I loved this video. I see SO many people giving away these sample packs for royaltie splits. Once i actually made a sick beat using a nice sample, i never uploaded it purely out of respect for the owners of the song.
This needed to be said a million times over! I’ve bought too many loop packs from IG loopmakers who just repackage other peoples music and you don’t find out until you open the folder and listen to the files. It’s frustrating and backhanded. And it needs to be called out more!
WHO. you have to call the names out. otherwise its completely useless. who is doing that?
@@dvnito3890 I don’t have time to search names…I don’t keep a log of scammers. It happens all the time especially with these social media loopmakers.
I mean this with all sincerity, I'm not trying to talk down to you or anyone else or put anyone down. I'm genuinely am looking for understanding and an explanation.
Help me understand the appeal of buying premade loops put together by other people. Not just premade, but specifically made for the purpose of helping people make beats?
As someone who still digs for samples using vinyl, hits records stores, thrift shops and garage sales to find obscure sounds (not Michael Jackson and Prince) it just seems puzzling to me that people are willing to pay for the same premade sounds everyone else has access to.
I make boom bap, lofi hip hop, and part of the fun is finding your own loops in songs or media that wasn't intended to be looped, or finding chops or just dope unique sounds you can use that everyone else doesn't have access to.
I'm not saying it has to be done with just records, everyone doesn't have access to records, but you can use RUclips, or even a blue ray, the TV..real life sounds... ANYTHING, that's the fun of sampling. It's turning those sounds and rhythms that weren't meant for hip hop, or house, or edm or whatever type of music you make.. turning those sounds into your own.
I don't understand these loop packs, and I'm looking for someone to explain what I'm missing, how they are used and why they are a tool that shouldn't be overlooked. It just seems odd to me. Can someone explain how my view is misguided.
@@liquidmetalslime9 ok i will introduce you.
a loop pack is basically the same like a old vinyl record collection. the only difference is that a loop pack is made from composers/producers FOR other producers. and thats it. some a free for non profit some come with a little price.
its about collabing on songs together. its a way to get exposure. bigger producers looking up loop packs of unkown talented composer to work with them. its inspiration. this is nothing new basiacally its just a way of collaborating and its a way to make easy songs. back then you had to clear the old samples which was super expensive and with a lot stress. with these "new" sample packs its way easyier to handle this
instead of digging for HOURS, you just look up one of your favorite sample makers and buy one of the loop packs from them... no chopping, no arranging, no stress with the clearing.
the world of sample packs is still pretty new and there is a ton of packs and very talented people out there and its worth to dig into this world, trust me.
one of the first sample makers are frank dukes. he had this idea to put out his own packs of samples into the internet. look him up
@@liquidmetalslime9 @Liquid Metal Slime#9 It takes way less time to throw a beat together using samples when you have immediate access to the bpm and key, and without having to think about what effects to use, what parts to sample and so on. It seems to me as well that lots of ppl in the online rap producer game like to chase the most palatable and current sounds in this oversaturated fast-paced industry, so having a bunch of curated samples at your fingertips can really streamline that process. Someone who is trying to work with as many artists as possible to secure a placement and build a reputation out of an ocean of identical artists is solely focused on calculated output rather than a creative process. Just a side note, but man I didn’t know how fucked this was until I watched some video last year of this dude Taz Taylor from ‘Internet Money’ producing for Lil Yachty. All bro did was drag and drop a couple files and he basically had a whole lame ass beat ready like five minutes after he arrived lmao. The guy has assembled a whole squad of henchmen to make beats while he smokes and pretends, he’s Rick Rubin.
I’m going to take somewhat of a shot in the dark here, but from what I’ve seen/heard, it seems like loop packs primarily serve a younger generation in contemporary hip hop that has inflated exponentially through the ease of access and entry that the internet provides to everyone regardless of musical ability/passion or lack thereof. Lots of ppl nowadays have this overwhelming desire to pursue fame and wealth through the easiest/quickest avenues possible and hip hop being one of the most popular and accessible genres attracts a shit ton of folks who just want to grind and maybe get rich in the process.
I think that the loop pack industry has sprouted from the crazy demand for quick results in songwriting and production to try and keep up with the manic social media/music industry landscape where it can be incredibly difficult for artists nowadays, (especially generic ones) to grow if they’re not releasing new stuff constantly and spamming the algorithms and methods.
imo
Thank you SO MUCH for shedding light on this mess that these people are doing! When I purchase loops the guidelines CLEARLY state that you cannot repackage the loops or samples and try to sell it as your own. Some people really just don’t give a f-ck!
I 100% agree and it's difficult for composers that create music to get sampled + discovered because of this issue. Making compositions take so much time, countless hours of music theory, and sleepless nights. Still love the whole process of recording with different gear and effects. Good things take time.
You spoke nothing but facts 💯
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Thank you for sharing. I always show the trackout of my loopkit/samples. That is at least a solid proof.
I came here, thinking this will be a roast on sampling and loops, But now that I finished watching the video, I completely agree with you. As a producer who is just starting out this is invaluable information, so thank you very much.
Thank you for watching
thanks man i just started producing and ive been going the route of coming up with my own melodies and flipping samples. you gave good advice that young people need to hear that just started. I dont see myself using loops unless im just practicing bc I still suck lol. I either use VSTs or one shots to create sounds.
Have you tried any instruments and different microphone setups?
That's why I buy all my packs from Cymatics, if I get a placement I'm cool. I know not to re-package their samples for my own monetary gain. Great insight DJ Pain and thanks for proving what's really happening.
If no one has it set it before, thank you DJ Pain 1 for doing what you do and giving out information to those that really want to learn the business and what to look out for. Stay blessed bro!
Appreciate that energy
Much love for setting things straight... This info is actually very very needed to hear for all others who want to get into music. Maybe there's many who still don't know how this is suppose to work... 👏
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That's why I make my own compositions, take my stems to create loops to repurpose... I have only begun using Splice and Arcade to show the "supposed producers" they are only ARRANGERS slapping loops together and a lot of loop makers are stealing loops and reselling them, then you have copyright strikes all over the internet....
Keep bring the PAIN....DJ Pain
Bro welcome to the internet your just fighting with people who wont put in the work. They still going to fight with you if it's the facts or cap. Keep doing you DJ Pain
Well said
Since following your page, i've only been enlightened on the industry and have learnt an immense amount of knowledge that i apply to my own production. Thank you for the content that you put out.
Thank you!
Thank you for keeping it real and sharing your experience. People be killing them damn loops acting like they really created something. It takes a good ear to throw effects on something but yo it's almost like stealing. The artist might as well be looping up the lyrics too.
I mean throw effects on a loop and make a beat with it, but don’t claim you made it and send it out to others, that’s definitely stealing
Imma use this video the next time someone sends me a sample pack with samples that aren’t theirs, or better yet when the court case happens and they still don’t get it lol thank you again Pain for helping & educating the producer community 🙏🏾
Yeah when those legal repercussions hit, suddenly they’ll be concerned
If a producer makes a sample pack, can't they just sell them on CD? Or find an artist to make a beat for? What kind of beatmaker buys another diggers' finds? Haven't they learned anything from the 80s/90s? Or do they even care?
@@MattCupan well there are diggers who sell to producers, but they both know exactly what the situation is, one party isn’t claiming ownership of the samples
I just watched a video called "Beware of Stolen Sound Effects Packs." It appears that filmmakers are also being scammed by fake "royalty-free" libraries.
One of the sellers named in the video replied that the stolen sounds were compiled by a sub-contractor, and apologized.
@@crnkmnky wow 😮 first I’ve ever heard of this, crazy!!
Well said Pain! Response was clear,calm,respectful and referenced💯
I appreciate that!
The Marco Polo Pad Thai sample packs have uncleared samples from KPM library records among other things. Those KPM library records are essentially sample packs to begin with. Literally unedited sfx from the KPM Communications library record to be exact. I could point out a bunch of others too.
Which Pad Thai series? The ones directly from Marco's site, the MPC expansion packs, or both?
KPM samples is an interesting one, as originally owning the records gave you the licence to use them however you saw fit, I think? Ah, except for of course recording and reselling them on to someone else, standard sample library terms and conditions, really...
Thank you! Very on point video! Sad its all about fast money now and not about the real art of music....
Big ups to you bro haters hate the real keep it moving. 💯 to you.
Respect to you brother frfr , ima loop makwer but i make my stuff from scratch , and it makes me sick these so called loopmakers basicly stealing samples online lol...
Same bro
facts big homie! shits sad these days and they all feed into it so heavy the second you have your opinion you the "hater" or "you played out" smh keep doing you g
The overcrowding of music in general has brought out idiots in all sectors of music, especially those they think they can enter easily. Where ever somebody can scam and attempt to come up fast they will..
That’s true
Fabulous authority DJ, love it.
The producers acting like this isn't a problem are definitely doing it
I swear it’s always beat makers vs beat scammers smh glad you always bringing light to this bs !
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This is the reason I don’t use loops at all… unless they’re my own. I have the integrity to make my own original loops and samples for other people to use, but this shit is the wild wild west and you just can’t trust these mfs.
A parallel to this that I also have a problem with is producers using loops, adding drums, and saying “I made this beat”, instead of “I made this beat with so and so”. People really out here taking credit like they have any musical ability besides clicking in midi drum notes. At least say that’s all you did 🤦🏽♂️
I've been doing this for a long time. And this has been happening for a LONG time. It's happened to me. Which is why I stopped making loops for libraries like splice, and big citi loops and the like.
There is really no excuse for not crate digging today. It has literally never been any easier. All you need is a computer. You don’t need a turntable and a sampler. You don’t need to go anywhere to get “crates” to dig in. You can literally go searching for works to sample from bed. In fact, it is even easier. With technology today you can also isolate the specific instruments you want FAR easier then ever before
That's true. There's literally no excuse.
Fr man I accept and embrace the blessing someone like me has for being born around this time when it comes to music production.
wouldn't the whole sample clearance issue be a good excuse for not crate digging?
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Maybe if you don’t use a platform like Tracklib (or if you don’t have a label you can pawn that off to) would that be an issue
@@BrandonAdams1010 I don't think the issue is clearing samples. You get around to that when the label feels like they can put money into you and if it's enough to clear one or two samples or whatever, then you cross that bridge when you get to it.
I think the issue that DJ Pain 1 is talking about is claiming that the sample is your own and trying to make money off of that. If you're gonna sample something, just know ahead of time what you're getting into before doing so.
im an artist and i produce myself and i ALSO use loops aside of producing all my melodies and chords. and i still agree with you. sometimes i think im paying this and im paying that, but this is a re-sample of a sample of a sample, that could have be owned by lots of people... and what then? so im in a controversial situation if i should use loops or not
As an artist, im definitely tired of hearing producers use the same loops when i search for beats, now im gonna perfected my producing skills.
Thank you for exposing the liars bro, respect!
This is why I’m so scared of using beats by random “producers “
Big part of the fun has been making my own stuff from scratch. I don't use samples that I didn't make, I don't even use factory settings on synths.
I have the Yamaha reface DX and just love it because all the possibilities in creating new sounds. I've had drum sounds made from cardboard boxes and beats that are fully synthetic. The listener probably has no idea what is going on, but for me it's what makes my stuff feel unique for myself and "my style".
Sure, I'm making music just for fun, but the learning process is a big part of the motivation: "oh, I can do THIS now". I do play gigs as a side hustle and everything I learn takes me further as a musician. But that's what it's all about for me: learning to express myself in new ways.
Good on ya. I love FM synths. I have a couple Yamaha FM synths from the 80s. An FB-01 and a PSS-680. My dream synth is the DX7.
Yea it’s nice to tweak the sounds so you have something different. I love laying sounds. I will have two or three synths on the same MIDI channel playing the same thing. I mix them on a console. A piano or key sound is great layered with a string or pad. Just adjust the level and EQ of each sound. Not to mention adding effects to each sound.
The RUclipsr Doctor Mix does recreations of songs. He’s able to figure out what synth or drum machine was used. I want my music to have sounds where someone can’t go “oh that such and such synth”.
thank you for all thse advice . I used to sample a lot and digging , and made a gold single with a sample but then the artists whom i Sampled , recognize his song and pursue me, and then we finally made an agreement, but this wad very difficult, he could own 100% of the entire song becaus i didn't clear the sample , we finally made a flip
bro youre a goat frfr Ive used soo many of your samples/loops when I was starting out making beats I was in shock when ppl said youre not qualified to speak on this
It's hard to trust nowdays, there's a lot of people making Instagram accounts with a good amount of followers, (probably they are buying followers) a couple photos of a random people with some famous producers, pretending to be those people and charge you for collabs, "guaranteed placements'' all that bulsh%t 🤮
Great video and very well explained. Been having conversations on this for a few years now with artists and their “productions”. I immediately Shazam a track to see if it comes up somewhere else.
there are genres that are based on sampling a disorting popular music but people who make those do not claim ownership of the samples use and honestly don't expect money from their work
@@JohnemonSilver I’m referring to one’s who have charged for the tracks they have presented as their own. In one case it was clearly lifted from another beatmaker. The singer had already put her vocals on it as a song and presented to me for release.
Definitely not referring to creatives who manipulate loops for fun or enjoyment and post their work.
To me sound design seems like an integral part of the creative side of music production. That's not to say you have to do it from scratch; I love synth patching but most of the sounds I make are built from extremely fucked up default daw stuff, like sampled instruments or drums. Sample packs and stuff can be really cool and it's exciting to play a few of the sounds and imagine the possibilities, but very quickly it just feels like slotting puzzle pieces together into some predefined track rather than actually making something of your own. I feel like sampling is about either brutally fucking with the sound in question to make something new, or it's carefully refining and perfecting something in a kind of reverent way, then building something that adds to it around it. Either way it's meant to be creative yk. My favorite thing is taking a sound that sounds like garbage and making something cool out of it; it's so boring using sounds that already sound perfect for something.
I agree, I used melody loops from splice to learn how to use my daw (logic pro X) but quickly I realized how that lacked creativity. Now I mostly find tracks to sample on my own and try make something original out of it. But even that’s getting old now, so now I’m taking piano lessons.
I just experienced this the other night looking for a beat to write to. Came across a beat that literally was posted by like 5-6 different accounts all the same exact beat with alot of views to find out only 1 of them was the legit producer. 4-5 of the others look "poppin" claiming they made some one else's beat. It's sad af!
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Yeah me and my boy was cooking up a random person loop and i was like this sounds familiar .. after hearing the loop more i realized it was a hot chilly pepper song 🤦♂️😵💫 we blocked that email lmao real fast..
Oh wow, nightmare clearance
Watched this whole video waiting for you to bring up digging in the crates. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
It’s definitely a problem. I only make my own stuff anyways but it’s a huge turn off to use others content, and as a preset/sample maker it tarnishes confidence in people wanting to buy sample packs.
Getting rid of anything I even think may have come from somewhere I could get jammed up for using.
I’m actually someone who primarily uses loops and samples from Splice but tbh I WANT to make stuff from scratch, I just can’t figure it out. I need some hands on exp. to help me improve it. But tbh I think it’s still an incredible tool to help people like myself to grow in the areas of creating original beats/songs - eventually I want to grow out of relying on them, but I’m sure it’ll be something I use no matter what level I progress to
Man the online producer community is weird as fuck smh. Social media has made people weird in general
That’s also true
@@DJPain1 Saying the 37 year old man who is being in fact weird on social media…. Ironic
@@lukecomeon03 ur probably the one who got called out in his video
@@PlutoniumSlums Nice try, every plaque i have is from playing a live instrument.... try again?
you pissing off the entire FL studio community who glue other peoples loops together is why i follow you.
This is a mess. People with no talent will do anything to make it out here. Then they want to tear down people who do this for a living. I feel for you. I make beats but am more of a songwriter, which is another area where people with no talent litter, repeating other people’s lyrics. There is no end in sight.
A lot of people in the industry are lazy and get triggered when their nasty loopmaker tactics get called out
I am 100% behind you on your perception. I have embarked on the journey to teach newcomers to music licensing FAR TOO MANY TIMES to hear "Bro, I paid for the loops, I can license them." smh.... Another thing that makes me come off as a curmudgeon is when an artist gets at me to do some custom production, and then they ONLY WANNA LISTEN TO LOOPS AND SAMPLES. I love getting a chance to sit down at the keys, or pickup the strings, or even hop on the cello. But nah, keep sample hopping or they have better places to spend their money... Really wish more "MUSIC ARTISTS" had even an inclination of a hint of ambition to ACTUALLY create music. Much love to you, my man! Kudos on your success, much faith n' high expectations for it to only grow for you.
p.s. Thank you for not feeding a line of BS like the MASS of self proclaimed "producers" on the web. again, much love
also, sampling real vinyl is the funnest shit I have ever done..... (sidenote, I have a ton of BB King TYPE samples and a bunch of oldies, that I made, 100% I own 'em, I mean shit, I plugged the output of my turntable into my preamps, I even pressed record and started spinning the vinyl myself. 80/20 and out of your 20, i want 15% committed to marketing for the first 6 months, and, ANY placements are to credit me, as the 80% top chili fry maker in this opportunity for you) lol the parenthesis is all just sarcastic but fr, mf's be THAT KIND of outta pocket lolol that's why I stay focused on the music, hoping non-stop that someone rips the entitlement out of people like a soggy dread. lol digging your content my man, cant believe I never stumbled across you
No cap you 100% correct on this. A lot of these loop makers claim they make their “own” loops but they use splices loops 😂 Southside exposed yall who hire musicians and record them and send them off as loops smh. Stop trying to finesse the game. Producers pay attention and do yo research before getting involved. Make them loopmakers send you the stems 🎯💎 💯
Im confused on the splice loop..if it’s flipped,reversed and pitched isn’t it a new transformed melody? If its royalty free whats the problem?
you don't have the right to request a percentage for something you don't own. it's still from the same derivative work every sample essentially comes from an album and a song of origin. like any other record. royalty free stuff still has to be cleared and if you make a big hit you still have to pay.
You really need to read these royalty free licenses. They absolutely prohibit you from redistributing the samples.
@@DJPain1 I have read them..I still dont see a difference with being in the same room doing that or sending to another producer to co create…I’m not saying claiming ownership of the sample or redistributing to sell…but if I say aye Pain1 check this fire sample from SPLICE..lets turn this into a beat..thats a problem? So I only can make a beat dolo using Splice?
@@selfishbeats pay who? if thats the case you cant sell or take percentage of transformed drums loops or 808 one shots either…which producers are definitely doing
@@92kris nobody tries to press people over drums its not that clear cut as a musical piece is. most royalty free stuff is free provided that it's not a big hit NOBODY is going to let you get a huge song while they starve.
Thanks for being one of the few real producers in this realm of the fugazi.
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Thank you for being a positive force in the producer community 🙏🏼
the is the exact reason i only make and use my own samples
Great topic to speak about fam! Really appreaciate it!
That's basically how scammers react when they get exposed. I've received those emails almost every day...I simply ignore them.
That’s a good point
Just wanted to say thanks for speaking on these subjetcs (saw few others). I'm still improving my english and your videos are interesting and talked in a clear/understandable english.
Have a nice day and hopefully we'll collab one day.
You're the man Pain, the smart people got your back
There are so few of us though 😂
Ok.....I'm a musician/artist....been performing for decades and now a retired band director. I'm a total idiot to this as when I was recording, we were using ADAT....I just dated myself. My question is that if I use a sound sample from something like Arcade, do I need clearance?
Bruh the Kylie Minogue La La La "sample" sent to you with your reaction almost made me throw up on my keyboard 😂😂😂 but absolutely great and informative video as always 👏🏻
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It's usually the record labels that are claiming them in my experience. Or the artists that upload on contracts are not declaring them therefore the label assumes ownership. Not the loop makers. The actual loop makers, like splice will actually get the claim removed for you.
But as for these fools your dealing with, well they're straight delusional and you can guarantee they don't understand any side of copyright law, be it recording, publishing, performance or sync law.
This is why in my Beats I create every sample myself. It takes a long time to get the right sound but I don't have to worry about getting scammed. Great info again 👍 u hopefully save a lot of producers some stress. It's good ur educating people on these issues. Buying samples/loops is a good idea as long as it's done right 👍.
I need to know where are some good places to find them. Not trying to get scammed by some clown trying to make a quick buck.
@@Lenron-B06 I used to use spice but seems everybody was using the same samples.. 🤔.
Buy Loops from me
@@XSalador man I don't understand, are peeps crate digging for samples and loops, and instead of making a beat themselves out of it, they are instead selling em?
That's the way to do it!
I didn't think it was getting that crazy out here
That's just insane. I get it because of the instant gratification though.
I think the disconnect lies first between the generations. The main problem (while this is also a good thing), producing is extremely accessible now. That means more people are making the music… So, you run into situations where you have people that are relatively new, getting placements…….. But don’t understand the game.
My sample library is filled to the brim with stuff and I don't know where it came from for the most part! I dont know what rights I have to use it honestly. Does this copyright stuff go all the way down to one shots or is it song samples/loops
Could be anything tbh
@@DJPain1 Wow that's quite daunting too. Furthermore there's situations where stuff like breaks/drum solos like Amen Brother (Winstons) etc are used so much even though you technically commit plagiarism, Though the drummer and singer have died, someone still owns the copyright (The label most likely?), But NOBODY ever really clears them for commercial release.
It's this grey area where you don't really need to worry about it and if groups like N.W.A are okay to use it uncleared I'm sure we'll all be fine! And if you're on the radar for this then you're already one of the most famous people out there and have made a ridiculous amount of money anyways.
People have treated it as public domain for so long and it doesn't seem like there has been any law pursuits for plagiarism and if you're using it in a fairly complex way you've probably been transformative enough with it for it to be considered fair use. Sample clearance is weird, man! Be careful out there. This is a long shot but if you have any samples that you could hand-me-down, I'd be really pleased!
3:21 Nah, talk your 💩 man. These dudes are out here throwing online temper tantrums and acting like you’re brand new to the music industry. Smh
I’m 75 and I made my first beat last week
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Brilliant video! Thank's for the heads up I didn't know this was happening.
Any time!
Originality is the best!!
thanks for this, great information
This is part of why I stopped making beats. Cause I LOVE digging for samples and finding something cool, flipping it into something dope, and sharing it with the homies. I used to go on old sites that would post bootleg foreign records in all sorts of languages and find lit shit. But the way things have changed, it's really got me feeling bad for how people go about their business. Nobody makes stuff anymore. Like, one of my favorite things to do in the world is chop up old drum breaks from vinyl, layer and process hits together, and make my own drums. It's a huge part of my artistry and I've been doing it since I was a sophomore in high school. I don't know ANYONE who makes their own drums like that. They all download sample packs, or use preloaded stuff.
To me, that is a huge part of your sound. Back before my time, that was the only way to do it. Now, none of the kids coming up do it like that. They all use the same 808s and drum hits and percussion and wonder why their drums don't pop like other people's do. Yes it's a lot more work to do it the old way. But you do it enough and you'll build a library that'll go a long way. People just want to take the easy way out instead of perfecting a craft
Respect! Don't lose hope, I do the same thing. Been doing it since I started. In addition, now I get real drum hits from real drum kits. The game is still alive and I'm teaching it to the next generation too!
@@grayearly3116 I'm glad there's still some of us out there. It's becoming a lost art
Jake one aka snare Jordan does this
@@michaelcalderon6693 Jake One is awesome! He's made some incredible stuff. Even though his most well known work will probably be the John Cena song. But like, Rock co Kane flow is insane
I mean this respectfully, maybe in general you spend your time chopping up drum hits for samples while other people are already writing the beats they hear in their head. I understand your dedication to the craft, but some people just start writing with no knowledge. And make fire beats. It is what it is, music is like that in every genre.
i agree with you. I have been collecting samples since the late 90s/early 2000s and an extreme data hoarder. back then people would synthesize new drums or mangle chopped breaks beyond recognition. create their own patches. I have a huge skepticism of a lot of audio sample packs these days as recycled drum machine samples with some processing.
I do have a lot of respect for the riddim/bass/dubstep community that focuses more on Vital/Serum patches that includes useful macro knobs etc. there is a lot of value in that.
But audio loops/samples is recycled/stolen shit from other packs half the time.
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and another problem is i notice people will take a synth patch someone else made(sometimes even a default preset), and then bounce audio of it and include that in an audio sample pack. i dont need that
i felt the metaphysical producer “community” room get real quiet when you busted out the Turbo clip lol 😅 . I love producing, but disgusted with the so called producer community, specifically on Twitter. Mostly a bunch of little dweebs, rolling on Vyvanse high off their 2022 Q3 $300 royalty check, making super bold and opinionated engagement subtweets, knowing they’re timid selves wouldn’t say a word to you in real life.
Lots of little dweebs, you’re right about that.
it is the worst b/c it impacts normal real people's perception of things. i miss gearsl*tz, where the pros could form complete sentences, and share the real sauce.
@@BrandonAdams1010 sad that the era of forums is no longer. reddit could never compare. seems like the whole internet has dissolved into a just few apps.
@@BrandonAdams1010 i miss the name gearslutz, but the platform just changed their name?!
Talk your shit Pain!! This is important and you didn’t have to address anything but was needed to further educate
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I like the engaging conversations that I can learn from and take away from in which might put me one step forward in the right direction. The fact you are giving this any attention is beyond me lol. Steer clear of the drama and keep your head in the game. Solid channel and solid content brother! 👊🧡👍EDIT: Didn't have notifications set to all... I do now lol... and here I was thinking you were slacking 👊🤣👍
"Keep your head above water. Or drown below." - Chubb Rock off No More Prisons on Prince Paul's Prince of Thieves album.
As a sampler what do you recommend we do beside creating from scratch, what is the easiest way to get these samples cleared? Even the unknown artist that never been heard before
I think a lot loopmakers/sample makers engage in that practice. I wont say names but I bought two packs from people who are well established and the samples were 70s style records that were re sampled and put in their packs as original compositions. The original records were sampled for high profile hip hop artists. The backlash is coming from people who engaged in that shit too.
Yikes
Big ups on being a real boy. Happens all the time. Speak it!
15:16 the walls in the background 😂
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Don’t fw pain man BECAUSE DAM THAT HURT 🙏 yall PRODUCERS 😂
Through content ID I've found quite a few people re-uploading my free downloads to their 'copyright free music' RUclips profiles...smh.. I remember reaching out to one of the profiles and the page owner said "How are you just gonna change the terms?".... lol. Something is getting lost in translation here... smh..
This is why you’re just better off just making fully original compositions and beats yourself
The biggest songs were sample bro! If you are not quincey Jones the sit ur ass down!
Some people dont have the talent for that and they damn sure don't wanna learn how to create original shit lol
Well said fam!. As a original crate digger I feel bad for the level of ignorance our game. You drop the truth. Long life is a success inits self. keep up the work fam.
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I produce my own music and record, and I never used music samples from anyone ... Always created my own stuff ...
Listening to this is mind blowing, to know that there are people out there stealing music from established artists and then pitch up or down and sell it to producers for profit it's disgusting really
You would be surprised how often industry dudes re pitch or re instrument
very helpful, thanks!💫💫💫
Yo Pain this is the result of the young kids in the game who don't respect the OGs of the game and they've never even done one hour's worth of homework on artist of the past.
However you really can't blame them, they're trying to get paid & remember it's written in the Bible "NIV: 1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
There's this guy I grew up with who's only five years older than me who finally got out of prison after being in & out since 1975. His last two jobs was robbing two banks. I finally got to talk with him & I asked him Ninja why the fvck did you keep robbing banks. He simply said "Cause that's where the money is" I guess getting a job was out of the question huh....
-BiG Pluck
That’s also true. The culture used to involve mentorship and inter generational respect. The culture died a while ago and all of that went to 🗑️
@@DJPain1 You know Pain you're so right. However I'd say we can blame that mostly on the advent of the Internet. Where before you learned from an OG of the game who would tell NO noooo nononono you can't do that. Because you'll be a rat, you'll be cast out. You'll get black balled, known as unoriginal or worst yet GET YO ASS KILLED!
The Internet is just a tool. These kids today use it as such to find what they want and put their ideas together with no guidance whatsoever.
I guess im not crazy for wanting to make all my own beats without sampling. The closest i get to using samples is one shots, top loops, and sample library vsts....i try to stick with the vsts and then do processing and resampling later. On the other side, i can never get shit done XD
Them ain’t loopmakers. They just lazy lol
Wow. Good catch on that illmind sample
Thumb nail funny tho 🤣
I been playing piano since I was 8 years old, and really enjoy making my own Melodies and samples; flip side of this is I don’t end up collabing enough with prods I fuck with and using their loops. This is yet another reason why I prefer making my own stuff, and being more than a point and click producer copy and pasting other peoples stuff
Send me some samples!