To producers- I've learned this: go on every outlet you can. I haven't sold many beats this year. But i posted on a music page that was new and got a sale right after. That song ended up on radio in 5 states right after. I need to focus on ad dollars next. You can't just post and think that things are going to happen for you. Venture out.
I wish I had these resources back in 2000 when I started making beats on the Korg. Triton. The fact that you are full time doing this as a career without being controlled by the labels is amazing in itself.
I really like what Taz said right off the bat. Its saturated at the bottom but It takes time effort and Work. I appriciate insight like this its very encouraging ❤🙏🏻
Erinn said it: everybody ain't you. My favorite example countering saturation is Rihanna. How many HUGE name artist dipped in perfume and beauty products and sleepwear? A TON. She stepped in majorly saturated lanes where bigger people have tried and many had little to mediocre success, and blew the roof off. Be YOU. Do YOU. Then saturation is meaningless.
It ain't just that, it's the low quality of rappers that buy beats or steal beats on beat stores. Majority of them are really bad bad leads to convert, you can nurture them all you want but even a 50% discount won't convince them.
Its almost like rappers and "beatmakers" should like talk about gee i dont know....MAKING SONGS......your beat is garbage until some lyrical expression is put over it. It might be wonderful and perfect. But on this earth where top comment is a Rhianna The Billionaire analogy the merit of the art means nothing until it earns. Selling beats like used cars is not the way. You and the artist are driving to the song together. The current formula is stupid.
Great message it’s like making music is apart of my life I can never stop. So why not continue to strive to get placements am still gonna make beats just because I love it 🤷
I think lots of producers, including myself for a long time, dont have the work ethic or perseverence required to market their shit. They think, i have something really good, so if i post it, it should at least get a couple thousand views, but it just doesnt work like that, and every market with a low barrier to entry is saturated, but that just means more opprtunity for those bringing something new or different or innovative to the table, can rise really quick once they can be hesrd above the noise. Its like my job at walgreens, people are so damn apathetic and lazy today, that i dont even have to work that hard to look good, just about 20% more than the rest makes me look like a saint. When the standard is mediocrity, it can be very hard to get noticed because people dont trust names they havent heard before and music is a time investment so its about earning trust with consistent quality and posting. Nobody is organized with the way they do things, theyll be flying by the seat of their pants, with no plan, no set goals, no real strategy for how they are going to penetrate the market, or anything that might actually allow them to succeed. Im talking to my past self as well here, this is all shit i know because ive done it, ive seen the difference when you actually have a plan and are organized with it vs no strategy or consistency or anything, we only do shit we feel like doing and most of what will make you succeed in music is not actually making music, its so much deeper than that.
DJ Pain, I listen to you while i make coffee in the morn. I agree, the business of music isn't saturated especially if you can differentiate your music from others and be consistent. Thanks for helping the community. FYI, i often underestimate the amount of salt you have to deal with.
It’s not that it’s saturated, it’s the genre that became really tough. Everybody wants to do hip-hop, trap or R&B type beats when there’s a lot of other genres that can be done. Ever since I shifted to indie rock type beats I’m enjoying making them and I also started getting sales.
@ understood after so long the the same conversations rotate but nobody says “ok here’s what you should do or here’s how you can make a living selling beats” it’s just the same keep going and you’ll see the results. All good but solutions are needed and not the same beat selling guides and tips
Because ad spend isn’t actually affecting beat sales in any substantial way. I spend lots. I have data. Organic sales far exceed that. Rather than telling people to spend money they don’t have on ad campaigns that could completely fail, I teach infrastructure and system building for FREE.
@@DeedoubleyouBeatsBrotha don't be lazy like me, put in work... Get better meet people and you'll sell beats. When you want to quit... That's when you sell.
Everything in the business markets have competition regardless, jus because some losers gave up without trying and now have an excuse of saying this and that doesn't work doesn't mean you should give up urself. Just because something didn't work for someone doesn't mean it won't work for you, when you look at it rn there are still alot of up coming artists that still need ppl to make their beats and allat. Consistency, Hard work and the never ending motivation to do better is all it takes for one to be successful
Yes it is saturated but just about every profession… Barber, Athletics etc… anything you want to do at a specific level its going to take time to build a brand in any career felid.
It has been even before streaming sites took over because it's easy to do from home now. The same with games before some quality control came in on steam, greenlighting for example it was saturated with trash but the good music will stand out and so will a game. People probably feel saturated when it's their splice loops Vs other splice loops and every beat sounding more or less the same.
Way too saturated the fact that u can go on to any RUclips channel n straight download the beat jus shows exactly where the producers mind is at…mfs don’t even care enough to protect their own art n music 🤦♂️ n its not just producers n bwatmakers, the rap game is becoming too saturated as well. Just as much u see everyone wanna make a beat, on the flip side u have everyone else who isnt making beats wants to rap
There are more people making music than there are listening to that music. It really is as simple as that. Almost no one I come across online who wants to "make beats" ever seems to actually listen to music. There is no artistic drive. It's all just monetisation.
@@DJPain1 Ha. You got me. Literally none. Simply reading subs and forums for years. So few people actually seem to listen to music, and so many want to make it. Just an observation.
Yes, there is over saturation in the beat making community. However, the rapper/singer community has over saturation three times over lol so keep making beats and try to have your own sound as much as possible.
Beat selling is not dead but not many people will actually sell Beats collectively and if anything they can get a regular job somewhere before they were able to support himself with this in Mass NFL scores of the internet has shown us that the most money is in creating a resource for producers to sell or distribute or stream there a work
I released 33 Songs plus 57 Beats this year, so far. And i dont give a f***, If this got me 100 bucks, or nothing. Music is passion... If it's goin to happen, it happens. I'm happy anyway ❤ Again.... great content, Pain. To all people: get up, .... get your sh*t done, move on, go get it! , maybe the next oppurtunity is your gate to something great. All the best ✌🏼🍀❤️
“Do they plan on racing with hopes and dreams?” Point is… sure we love and have passion for music… but music at that point just becomes a money pit with no actual want to make money to help float the love and passion. Your personal finances will eventually tell you to stop doing music at a certain point. They went and TOOK their motors back to continue racing.
And as of now there's actually more opportunities in these business models, there are more quitting losers rn, ppl who haven't even given it a go because they are scared, those who don't put enough work in and idiots who always get scammed leaving them hopeless. There's lesser competition rn in these models than back then, n the competition consistently decreases with each coming month/year
i recently had a guy DM me and say he wanted to buy 2 of my beats for 500$ with an exclusive rights contract, After a few exchanged messages he sent me a mobile deposit check for the said amount. I had him put the wrong bank on the check by accident and spoke with him about correcting it and providing a new check, he left me on seen...? was this a real opportunity i screwed up or was it a scam>? thanks, love the videos.
You know what if that's the case everybody on that damn podcast be super rich according to her. Because it's so much competition in the world that's why it's saturated because if it wasn't saturated like I said each person on that podcast will be close to billionaires right now and a lot of people don't want to put in that energy when they can put that energy somewhere else to be successful in life
This is the first video I've seen by you and probably the last. Three minutes and I got tired of you calling everyone losers. You may be right, you or may be wrong. I have no idea who you are. Could you drop the superiority complex?
Yeah, two ironic things- one, the projection of me being self-important when you’re in my channel announcing your departure and two, not actually leaving as you said you were going to.
@@DJPain1 I said I probably wouldn't watch any of your other videos. And I haven't, but I do get the notifications when you leave comments so yes, I'm here to reply. And it's not projection you just came across the wrong way. It's corrective criticism, if you don't wanna take it whatever, that's up to you.
You just make the same video every 6 months man, saturation is always going to be there in a field where money can be made just how shit works, let’s talk about something original that hasn’t already been explained multiple times
Bro i dont have the same following as him (not even close) and i can sell some beats even random ones where i never contacted with an artist at all, its not dead but its hard to make it more than just a side hustle
its hard to make it more than just a side hustle Bro if you can't pay your rent ,it's not worth slaving for years with no return. Get this through tour Head Nobody buys Music Anymore Literally. Music is a joke to be honest.
@@TheTruthxx Like i have mentioned before- im selling my beats so it is not true at all, people do buy beats, in my case i do make a return, but if you are in it just for money you will be very dissappointed at the beggining and will fail 100%
People can actually submit music to distribution companies for a fee without yall trying capitalize on their Music , dj pain 1 nobody needs to be distributed by you there's Distrokid ,United Masters ,Amuse ,an sum.free one's. Go kick it.with sum kids an try to manage them u a joke brutha.
Get your beats on Spotify for free, use code MEC www.toolost.com
Offers free beats off the top loool
To producers-
I've learned this: go on every outlet you can. I haven't sold many beats this year. But i posted on a music page that was new and got a sale right after. That song ended up on radio in 5 states right after. I need to focus on ad dollars next. You can't just post and think that things are going to happen for you. Venture out.
@@BeatsbyNoNonsenseGang 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
How many songs per beats are you making?
I wish I had these resources back in 2000 when I started making beats on the Korg. Triton. The fact that you are full time doing this as a career without being controlled by the labels is amazing in itself.
it's a pretty amazing time
I really like what Taz said right off the bat. Its saturated at the bottom but It takes time effort and Work. I appriciate insight like this its very encouraging ❤🙏🏻
Erinn said it: everybody ain't you. My favorite example countering saturation is Rihanna. How many HUGE name artist dipped in perfume and beauty products and sleepwear? A TON. She stepped in majorly saturated lanes where bigger people have tried and many had little to mediocre success, and blew the roof off. Be YOU. Do YOU. Then saturation is meaningless.
I think that it is saturated, but when you love doing what you’re doing, it shouldn’t even matter. Just keep going and protect your music.
Pure gold my friend, thanks for the motivation!
You always make good points. You got to love this to do it, saturation doesn't matter if your a real creator. Stay Up ..
It ain't just that, it's the low quality of rappers that buy beats or steal beats on beat stores.
Majority of them are really bad bad leads to convert, you can nurture them all you want but even a 50% discount won't convince them.
That's the biggest reason I slowed down making beats online and concentrated on working with local artists.
Those are called broke pockets and people who should focus on their income at the moment instead of a hope and prayers hit that makes millions.
Its almost like rappers and "beatmakers" should like talk about gee i dont know....MAKING SONGS......your beat is garbage until some lyrical expression is put over it. It might be wonderful and perfect. But on this earth where top comment is a Rhianna The Billionaire analogy the merit of the art means nothing until it earns. Selling beats like used cars is not the way. You and the artist are driving to the song together. The current formula is stupid.
I appreciate what you do brotha. Thanks for the info.
@@porkbeats thank you for watching 🙏🏽
I really enjoy y'all's honesty and perspective. Also the optimism.
@@PhiloReitzel thank you 🙏🏽
Great message it’s like making music is apart of my life I can never stop. So why not continue to strive to get placements am still gonna make beats just because I love it 🤷
I think lots of producers, including myself for a long time, dont have the work ethic or perseverence required to market their shit. They think, i have something really good, so if i post it, it should at least get a couple thousand views, but it just doesnt work like that, and every market with a low barrier to entry is saturated, but that just means more opprtunity for those bringing something new or different or innovative to the table, can rise really quick once they can be hesrd above the noise.
Its like my job at walgreens, people are so damn apathetic and lazy today, that i dont even have to work that hard to look good, just about 20% more than the rest makes me look like a saint. When the standard is mediocrity, it can be very hard to get noticed because people dont trust names they havent heard before and music is a time investment so its about earning trust with consistent quality and posting.
Nobody is organized with the way they do things, theyll be flying by the seat of their pants, with no plan, no set goals, no real strategy for how they are going to penetrate the market, or anything that might actually allow them to succeed.
Im talking to my past self as well here, this is all shit i know because ive done it, ive seen the difference when you actually have a plan and are organized with it vs no strategy or consistency or anything, we only do shit we feel like doing and most of what will make you succeed in music is not actually making music, its so much deeper than that.
DJ Pain, I listen to you while i make coffee in the morn. I agree, the business of music isn't saturated especially if you can differentiate your music from others and be consistent. Thanks for helping the community. FYI, i often underestimate the amount of salt you have to deal with.
Appreciate you!
Been saying this for the past 5 years. Cause now everybody a “producer” lmaooo a FL kit don’t make you a producer
It’s not that it’s saturated, it’s the genre that became really tough. Everybody wants to do hip-hop, trap or R&B type beats when there’s a lot of other genres that can be done. Ever since I shifted to indie rock type beats I’m enjoying making them and I also started getting sales.
I was gonna start in 2014 and people were saying it was over saturated and dead then. Give no f**** people just start
If a market is “saturated”, traditionally the response is product differentiation. People need to find a unique marketing niche and/or a unique sound.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 🎯
Fantastic episode, Pain!
@@precisionsoundworksstudio thank you 🙏🏽
I am sure there are more lawyers than there are professional producers that are making money, but you don’t see people hesitating to go to law school
Awesome video pain love your perspective
@@travisguide4516 thank you 🙏🏽
Why does nobody talk about ad-spend strategies.
We big up beatstars but nobody talks about that.
They were specifically talking about misconceptions of Saturation.
@ understood after so long the the same conversations rotate but nobody says “ok here’s what you should do or here’s how you can make a living selling beats” it’s just the same keep going and you’ll see the results. All good but solutions are needed and not the same beat selling guides and tips
Because ad spend isn’t actually affecting beat sales in any substantial way. I spend lots. I have data. Organic sales far exceed that. Rather than telling people to spend money they don’t have on ad campaigns that could completely fail, I teach infrastructure and system building for FREE.
@@DeedoubleyouBeatsBrotha don't be lazy like me, put in work... Get better meet people and you'll sell beats. When you want to quit... That's when you sell.
I get paid by mixing or remixing and preparing people’s beats or streamlining the process for them or creating assets for them to make beats.
Your right ✅️ bro beat seling is not washed up I've sold beats and got plenty of placements
Everything in the business markets have competition regardless, jus because some losers gave up without trying and now have an excuse of saying this and that doesn't work doesn't mean you should give up urself. Just because something didn't work for someone doesn't mean it won't work for you, when you look at it rn there are still alot of up coming artists that still need ppl to make their beats and allat. Consistency, Hard work and the never ending motivation to do better is all it takes for one to be successful
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Erin knows how to fucking motivate. Saturation doesn't matter, Go Do the thing.
With all the money beatstars makes, you think they would improve their servers
@@7thangelz don’t get me started on Google
They need to make a Pro Page 3.0 already with more website customization
Yes it is saturated but just about every profession… Barber, Athletics etc… anything you want to do at a specific level its going to take time to build a brand in any career felid.
You right so many producers sending me beats,and hate to tell you it’s not hot dude.
It has been even before streaming sites took over because it's easy to do from home now. The same with games before some quality control came in on steam, greenlighting for example it was saturated with trash but the good music will stand out and so will a game. People probably feel saturated when it's their splice loops Vs other splice loops and every beat sounding more or less the same.
Way too saturated the fact that u can go on to any RUclips channel n straight download the beat jus shows exactly where the producers mind is at…mfs don’t even care enough to protect their own art n music 🤦♂️ n its not just producers n bwatmakers, the rap game is becoming too saturated as well. Just as much u see everyone wanna make a beat, on the flip side u have everyone else who isnt making beats wants to rap
It doesnt matter if something is saturated if you are good.
You're good.
Right, it’s saturated. But the percentage of people that are willing to keep going untill they make it is smaller
Exactly
One day we’re gonna go platinum together pain. 🤞🏽💯
It's both saturated and the best time ever to be doing it. You just need to be more creative and how you're going to market your music.
There are more people making music than there are listening to that music. It really is as simple as that. Almost no one I come across online who wants to "make beats" ever seems to actually listen to music. There is no artistic drive. It's all just monetisation.
@@jjwhittle8873 source for that statistic?
@@DJPain1 Ha. You got me. Literally none. Simply reading subs and forums for years. So few people actually seem to listen to music, and so many want to make it. Just an observation.
If i listened to what people said online, id have quit a long time ago
Pain ur delusional buddy lol
Yes, there is over saturation in the beat making community. However, the rapper/singer community has over saturation three times over lol so keep making beats and try to have your own sound as much as possible.
Beat selling is not dead but not many people will actually sell Beats collectively and if anything they can get a regular job somewhere before they were able to support himself with this in Mass NFL scores of the internet has shown us that the most money is in creating a resource for producers to sell or distribute or stream there a work
I think people want to get on so bad that they lose all common sense and fall for those scams
@@Mill-on-da-track unfortunately there is an element of desperation in the music community which is why the scams work so often
Best Selling is Saturated But building healthy business relationships with artist is not. Good Business starts with Good Relationships.
I released 33 Songs plus 57 Beats this year, so far. And i dont give a f***, If this got me 100 bucks, or nothing.
Music is passion... If it's goin to happen, it happens. I'm happy anyway ❤
Again.... great content, Pain.
To all people: get up, .... get your sh*t done, move on, go get it! , maybe the next oppurtunity is your gate to something great.
All the best ✌🏼🍀❤️
“Do they plan on racing with hopes and dreams?” Point is… sure we love and have passion for music… but music at that point just becomes a money pit with no actual want to make money to help float the love and passion. Your personal finances will eventually tell you to stop doing music at a certain point. They went and TOOK their motors back to continue racing.
And as of now there's actually more opportunities in these business models, there are more quitting losers rn, ppl who haven't even given it a go because they are scared, those who don't put enough work in and idiots who always get scammed leaving them hopeless. There's lesser competition rn in these models than back then, n the competition consistently decreases with each coming month/year
Yep!
i recently had a guy DM me and say he wanted to buy 2 of my beats for 500$ with an exclusive rights contract, After a few exchanged messages he sent me a mobile deposit check for the said amount. I had him put the wrong bank on the check by accident and spoke with him about correcting it and providing a new check, he left me on seen...? was this a real opportunity i screwed up or was it a scam>? thanks, love the videos.
scam ,i get these dms almost daily
Bro ur captions are rage bait💀
You know what if that's the case everybody on that damn podcast be super rich according to her. Because it's so much competition in the world that's why it's saturated because if it wasn't saturated like I said each person on that podcast will be close to billionaires right now and a lot of people don't want to put in that energy when they can put that energy somewhere else to be successful in life
time to start making music instead of beats
@@napbeatss that is genius
Says the one whose name napbeats 😀
@@moguld4419 my beats have live music on them played by session musicians most of the time.
You be making some nice beats though.
@@AllenMitchellGardner appreciate you
Kinda like the girl/lady flow. 😅❤
Did she just say metro boomin?????
So she's the one that made it hard for everyone else because their emails are full of songs😂
This is the first video I've seen by you and probably the last. Three minutes and I got tired of you calling everyone losers. You may be right, you or may be wrong. I have no idea who you are. Could you drop the superiority complex?
@@funinthesun90125 announcing that you’re leaving instead of just leaving 😂
@@DJPain1 I said a few other things as well.
Yeah, two ironic things- one, the projection of me being self-important when you’re in my channel announcing your departure and two, not actually leaving as you said you were going to.
@@DJPain1 I said I probably wouldn't watch any of your other videos. And I haven't, but I do get the notifications when you leave comments so yes, I'm here to reply. And it's not projection you just came across the wrong way. It's corrective criticism, if you don't wanna take it whatever, that's up to you.
Everyone sells the same beat.....
The only time I've heard someone sell the same beat is if the other person ripped them off.
There is somebody in your buyers list that will change your life... but you want to make $20.00
My buyers list is made up of people who will spend $20 on my beats because they respect me as a human
@ clearly went over your head.. you got it 😂
@@sorcelord65 well I’m very uneducated, inexperienced and have no hit songs, so you’re probably right.
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You just make the same video every 6 months man, saturation is always going to be there in a field where money can be made just how shit works, let’s talk about something original that hasn’t already been explained multiple times
drop a link in the comments when you make the video
Give it up no one Buys Music anymore. Music is done. Ur delusional my guy.
Bro i dont have the same following as him (not even close) and i can sell some beats even random ones where i never contacted with an artist at all, its not dead but its hard to make it more than just a side hustle
its hard to make it more than just a side hustle
Bro if you can't pay your rent ,it's not worth slaving for years with no return. Get this through tour Head Nobody buys Music Anymore Literally. Music is a joke to be honest.
@@TheTruthxx Like i have mentioned before- im selling my beats so it is not true at all, people do buy beats, in my case i do make a return, but if you are in it just for money you will be very dissappointed at the beggining and will fail 100%
People can actually submit music to distribution companies for a fee without yall trying capitalize on their Music , dj pain 1 nobody needs to be distributed by you there's Distrokid ,United Masters ,Amuse ,an sum.free one's. Go kick it.with sum kids an try to manage them u a joke brutha.
Post a drake type beat or j.cole or Rick Ross u a lame
Has no content....🤡
Go chase sum placements lol now who's the clown now haha.