The airplane I was going to buy crashed in front of me.
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- I can't make this up if I tried, I was supposed to bring this gorgeous plane home and the owners belly landed it on the runway in front of us 🤷♂️. Guess that landing gear warning light wasn't lying (hence why we made the call not to fly it). Everyone was safe. Unfortunately for the airplane, will be another story, not sure if it will be fixed or parted. It is unfortunate, as the plane was a true beauty with only 63 hours on the fresh engine and gorgeous Dynon HDX avionics.
Back on the market searching for a plane.
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63 hours on a new engine and 100k in avionics but too cheap to fix the landing gear? Pathetic owner
Dangerous owner.
Reminds me of those car people that put a huge expensive engine in an old rust bucket with no air bags, no traction control, no stability control, no anti lock breaks, etc..
@@Sidicas who needs any of that garbage?
@@Sidicas everything you mentioned past the air bags is only a burden in a performance car. Or a necessity for a bad/mediocre driver ;)
Great engine, structural integrity (not compromised by rusted fender), good suspension and brakes is all a good car (and driver) needs.
@@Sidicas None of which would cause a belly landing in an airplane.
If the circuit breaker keeps poping don't fly it,... FIX IT!
They were ferrying the plane to get it fixed
A&Ps are mobile and can travel.
@@kushagramittal4275 It was on the ground with the problem. The decision was made by the owners to fly it, after the prospective buyer decided not to fly it. 0:50.
Real rocket surgery for some folks, ain’t it?
My rule is one reset.
Look at all that money they saved by not paying a mechanic to fix the (known) gear issue before they sold it. Cheeeeep owners, I Swear.......
This sort of stuff is exactly why I don't work in general aviation.
as a species, i think we're regressing to the point where soon we won't even be able to drive or fly.
they knew it had gear issues why would you fly it without making sure it is serviceable???
Ya really. Did you hear him say he hit the prop on first go around? A litany of bad decisions.
He was desperate to sell it.
I'm currently selling a house. I'm responsible for a couple of inspections. I had dude out the other day and was telling him what I observed. He says it's nothing to worry about, but he could do this and that to fix it. I told him to do it, I want the new owners to be happy. It was like an extra $130. Anyway, as he's leaving, I said I would refer the new owners to him. He said great I should be hearing from them in a couple of months. LOL! He followed up by saying it's inevitable, like the property just says it liked the old owners better.
That gear should have a down and locked light, and a manual backup to get it down.
Aircraft jacks are expensive, and it's more fun to take it around the patch a couple times ... course the jacks are less expensive than plane they may have ruined. :(
4:24 "I had both CB's pulled before takeoff..." Poor kid gets a hard lesson in flying an unairworthy aircraft without a ferry permit...
ADM Aeronautical Decision Making.
why we can no longer afford insurance.
Wouldn't insurance just not cover that due to illegality, thus not affecting your insurance?
My thoughts exactly, Juan.
@@gavinjenkins899 the insurance would need proof that they knew it was unsafe and illegal add to it the legal fight might cost more than the actual repair or write off.
you are so correct
This honestly sounds like insurance fraud.
I think you're right about that.
Only 63 hours on the engine - ouch, that'll make you cry.
Tough to see that happen to a nice plane.
pardon my ignorance, but does a belly landing / prop strike kill the engine as well?
I can't believe, even with the slim possibility of a gear collapse, the pilot didn't shut the engine off on short final, what a mistake, he could have saved the engine.
@@adhdaf the cranks in these are notoriously fragile and if any bit of bad vibrations such as a prop strike it has to be inspected there are ways around but not really smart to do
@@bubbaman12289 not sure were you get your information from saying the "cranks in these are notoriously fragile" there is an AD on Lycoming engines that will require the removal of the accessory case after a prop strike/sudden stoppage to replace some accessory drive components, other than that dial the crank to make sure it is within limits (I would bet money that it is), put a new prop on, fix the sheetmetal and fly. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO DO AN ENGINE TEARDOWN
@@adhdaf No, that's a good question.
When there is a prop strike the engine will need to be inspected for damage as non-design load is applied from the propeller through the crankshaft. This inspection process requires it to be disassembled and is essentially a rebuild of the engine.
If this engine in the Mooney was a Lycoming IO-360 (what it had in 2023) it should run 2000 hours if well treated before needing an overhaul. 63 hours is hardly used at all.
Also an overhaul, rebuilt engine, or new engine will run tens of thousands of dollars. Divide that by 2000 and it's one thing, divide the price by 63 an it's another.
The gear is mis-rigged. That's why the breaker was popping and it was too stiff to hand crank. Intentionally flying a plane with a known gear failure is so dumb. I can't even. Just for starters, that flight was illegal and should have been flown with a special flight permit. Which would have required an inspection by an A&P. That inspection would have probably discovered the mis-rigging and probably been easily fixed. Sometimes it feels like most accidents are just people who shouldn't be anywhere near an airplane doing something that every other pilot would know not to do.
I'm glad you posted, I was thinking this would be a situation where a special flight permit would be required. I just don't understand why someone would fly an airplane with gear issues. A very expensive mistake.
This popped up in my feed. I'm not a pilot or an airplane mechanic - but if there were known / still unsolved issues with the landing gear - why on earth would you fly the aircraft until you know it has been repaired / properly tested? Expensive lesson.
because they are desperate to offload that plane
The "why did you do that" killed me hahahahahahaha this guy seems like a good dude to hang around!
It was his lucky day since his first landing may have been a gear collapse.
"Now we've gotta take a flight home with no plane."
That's impressive. Can you teach me how to do that? 🤣
Lmao I walked myself right into that one 🤦♂️
@@SirDrifto’walked myself’ Love it!🥁
The plane was flown with known gear issues? And not checked by an A&P mechanic? That would help explain why insurance rates are so high.
The benefits of being poor is I'll never have this problem
If you have issues with the landing gear on an airplane ? Then it should be addressed in a hanger by professional aircraft mechanics and tested while mounted on jacks
OPS checking a major flight safety item before going flying? Nah that cost too much money just put some speed tape over the CB to hold it in.😂
**Captain obvious has joined the chat**
They were flying it to the mechanic.
They shouldn't have messed with the gear during the relocation flight. That was their mistake.
bruh you don't fly an un airworthy plane to the mechanic or anywhere else
@@gavinjenkins899 Rethink that one
Insurance should NOT pay for this!
Sad. I owned a M20F with the johnson bar ... never had a gear failure.
I have a M20C model with the J bar. No issues 😎👍
What's wrong with the owners? Such a shame to destroy a beautiful plane, especially when it was clear there was a problem... Sucks.
the kid was proud of it LOL
Didn't destroy the plane just replace some skid patches and the prop. Most of FIX the gear issue.
it'll be a right bit more expensive to fix than if they'd bothered to just fix the landing gear in the first place, but the airplane is by no means destroyed. With the expensive avionics overhaul especially, they wouldn't wanna scrap it
@@Civ33 oh really you think? What about to severe damage to the bottom of the airframe and that prop strike constitutes an entire engine breakdown with good chance of overhaul.. good thing about insurance huh no wonder I pay so much a year for pilot insurance when frugal a/c owners cut any corner possible then hand it over to some unlucky bastard that gets to experience whatever he was building up to. People are morons even in the aviation world trust me.. one thing is for sure that aircraft will sit until the bank comes for the repo and all our insurance rates will go up another 800. Dumbasses.
Rich people with lots of dollars and no cents
Sense.
@@JoeGator23 Yes a play on words.
@@JoeGator23 I think you must be directly related to that “omicron0mega” dude that’s also in this comment section (possibly your father?). Just absolutely no awareness or understanding of what someone is saying. Truly incredible.
Well, that is one way to show off that expensive retractable gear feature to potential buyers..
Just kidding.. that was a great landing! I hope the plane gets fixed in a timely and affordable manner!
Works everytime
Retract is so good, it even works on the ground!
Nothing is affordable about a gear up. Mandatory engine rebuild will be 30K and that will be cheaper than the belly work.
Mooneys can do that. The landing gear issue may not have been caught in a prebuy so you are lucky. They aren't too difficult to fix. Prop, engine, and everything else will NOT be cheap, no matter what, though. That will take a long time to fix.
That was a nice landing, until it wasn’t,
it takes full power to taxi with the landing gear up.
Awww...it's a Mooney, too! I love Mooneys...
Circuit breakers rarely open without a reason. If a circuit breaker opens repeatedly, either the breaker is bad (unlikely) or there is a real problem (almost definitely) that needs to be addressed.
Wow! Sad!
Glad the owner made a safe landing 👍
I like the little custom "winglets" on the prop for improved efficiency and reduced noise!
They just upgraded to a Q propeller, big reduction in noise 👍
Might not have best judgment but that pilot deff knows how to fly a Mooney.....Greased it in Perfectly without wheels !!
That is SO expensive maintenance fail. What could have been just a landing gear fix is now new belly plating, new landing gear covers, structural inspection, engine rebuild, new propeller, and hell knows what else was damaged.
Also the failure was so bad that they can't even lock the gear manually which suggests it might have been pretty obvious piece of mechanics being broken, potentially easy to identify.
Man, that's just sad.
It was hard to watch happen
Wow. Bummer. Glad pilot is ok.
It’s truely amazing that some people have managed to obtain a pilots license when it’s very clear they shouldn’t have.
If a circuit breaker keeps tripping , the breaker ain't big enough.
Reminds me of the instructor that gave me my complex endorsement in his Mooney. I think it took me close to a half dozen tries of shoving that lever into place before I got the gear to lock down. I sure like electric gear motors.
Three not down and locked……..
Reminds me of my Brother going to buy a snowmobile. The farmer said, he wanted to take one last ride. When the farmer got to the far side of his field, the motor blew.
That’s a bummer. I feel sorry for the seller.. 😕
I don't, this was completely the sellers fault.
“Did you get it?” *sigh* “Yeah…” 😂 I felt that!
I'm not very good at identifying planes but I love the one behind ya guys!
Turbo Commander 690
@@dr62220 thank you
There were a few. One I noticed was a V tailed Beechcraft Bonanza
@@dr62220 I thought it was an MU2 at first glance. Good eye
Would it had made any difference to the aircraft damage landing in the grass like that?
I frankly think less damage would of happened. However the potential risk is the plane digging into the grass and flipping
2:54 Mr. D: Why’d you do that? Awesome😅
Was there a background comment that the prop strike was from a previous pass, with vibration during the next pattern? Yikes.
The first touch'n'go they had a prop strike.
@@paradoxicalcat7173 That's an awful decision, much worse than deciding to fly in the first place. Why would the pilot think that the landing gear would work any better on the next approach? How could he be sure that the engine and prop would keep working long enough to do a go around? He could have ended up doing a forced landing off the airport.
Weird timing. I was just looking at a mooney and during log review i found out it had 5 past gear up landings. Something clearly going on with some of them.
that was a very smooth belly landing tho, glad everyone was okay
So I never just relied on the light on the panel. There are the lines on the floor that need to line up with each other or the gear is not locked. First look at the green light, then look at the floor lock indicator. I have had to pop the breaker once to lower it by hand due to alternator failure (no electric). In that instance the floor lock indicator still works as a visual indicator the gear is good to go. Interested in buying a 1968 M20? I have one I would consider selling on the west coast. Always parked in hanger.
Johnson bar 1968?
@@SirDrifto no it is electric gear.
@2:51 lol, glad everyone was safe man, it happens.
"Oh, hi honey. So howd'it go? You sell the Mooney?"
"Nope, we crashed it though".
Moral to the story don’t trouble shoot warning lights, by flying the plane. This is incredible.
That’s one thing I liked about the older m20 Mooneys, manual gear lever.
he said he tried cranking it down, it was too stiff and did not lock. Plus he took off with it, and never raised the gear. And had pulled the breakers that would have done it automatically (i think)
ALWAYS have a an qualifiedA&P with experience with the model conduct a pre buy inspection.
The Vintage Mooneys (C-F models) are really meant for the Johnson Bar gear. The electric gear was an afterthought and there are multiple AD's (depending on model and year) on the electric system. You really want the Johnson Bar on those models.
We're just finding that out now
Especially on the F models
I put 2000 hours on an M20F and never had the first problem with the gear. This is the first gear collapse I've ever seen with a Mooney with electric gear, but I've seen several with Johnson Bars do that.
@@bluemarblesciencecorrect and the FAA has issued an SAIB stating that gear maintenance is why these issues come about
@@gabekremer7148 I'm sure they may have, and it's about as useful as telling us rain makes the streets wet.
gorgeous plane.... love the mooney, and how could the gear not be locked? thats an oddball
@-BUFFALOMan - Well...the Mooney gave the seller a moonie, who turned the other cheek to the prospective buyer, who felt mooned twice, just like the Insurance Company!!
That's a new kind of pre-buy!
This is an opportunity! A field overhaul inspection, some skin work, she's good to go. But the negotiating power that just gave you is epic! I found evidence of an undisclosed gear up landing by an older gentleman in his Beech Travel Air he was selling, and saved a ton of money. We had to fix a little bit of damage hidden under the skin repair, but it the repair was far less than the money we saved. BTW, don't buy a Mooney anyway.... super cramped inside, and only small children A&P can work in the tight engine bay. Buy something a little slower and more comfortable, YMMV.
You do have valid points!
@@SirDrifto You could probably flip that Mooney. I liked it when you said "I'll give you twenty grand for it right now".
Im 6'3 and fit very well in a mooney. Infact a bonanza is uncomfortable as hell. I'm also a mechanic. Working on a mooney is way easier than anything on a bonanza. Been doing it for 20 years.
@@gabekremer7148 I’m less than 6’ tall but I have very sharp elbows 😁
I came to the comments to say just that except I'd make a deal to have it all done through insurance. An engine swap new prop and proper paint on the belly or upgrade to new paint overall of my choosing at a discount from the original negotiation because it now has dammage history. Sign the purchase and sale agreement contingent on the repairs.
No mention of a prebuy inspection here. You guys were going to fly it off only with an owner test flight?
I would have shut the engine down to keep the damage to some metal work on the belly. Even with the chance that the gear was having problems, it would have been worth it. That runway was HUGE...plenty of room.
@quinnjim
How would you stop and prevent further windmilling?
@@mrbmp09 When you get slow enough, windmilling stops. Just bump the starter to get the prop horizontal.
I'm sure the FAA will want to spend some quality one-on-one time with the pilot for flying an airplane with a known discrepancy. This reminds of of the plaque hanging on the wall of the local FBO: A Superior Pilot - One who uses his superior judgement to avoid situations requiring the use of his superior skills.
Chaos seems to follow the owner of this airplane. Google his name. Emergency landing on I-85 in a Cessna 172. Lost his brand new home to a fire that also destroyed his bass boat and pickup truck. And now this. What the heck?
@jtocwru
Fraudster?
@@mrbmp09 That's my initial thought. That is some statistically significant "bad luck" and I'm sure his insurance companies' actuaries agree...
This is one way of getting "Q" tip props.
Sounds like the insurance check was worth more than the sale price lol
Going on Wednesday to buy a plane. God, I pray for a different experience. Hope you got some wings with working feet.
Every pilot get's lucky when they take a chance.. it's the good luck that's rare.
Same situation here. I wanted to buy a Beech C33 and it landed one week prior to the purchase in France with a gear collapse. I bought the crashed plane though and ever since it is being built up again. Not the smartest decision though...
At least you can go through everything. And you probably got a better price too.
@@SirDrifto the overall price including the repair is higher than the purchasing price would have been. I have added a few upgrades, but overall, I am questioning my decision simply because shops are not reliable. Missing the offer by more than 50% and everybody keeps telling me that would already be good...
I think Mr. Evans may have learned a lesson in the risk of deferred maintenance
Could they have stopped the prop before landing to prevent the prop strike?
well that's a big ol oops !! lol Hopefully the engine survived. Everything else is superficial. I'd be crying right now, but with all due respect, the problem of the breakers popping should have been resolved before the plane ever flew again. That's on the owner.
Would a grass landing have caused less damage or that’s too dangerous?
Was going to buy it, but the insurance company beat you to it. 😂
Ouch. Dodged a bullet.
If this an M20F with the factory electric gear, your supposed to verify the gear is down and locked by the mechanism window on the floor on every landing, NOT the gear indicator light. It sounds like the pilot had used the emergency extension mechanism which boggles my mind further as to why he flew with it
Did he have three green prior to landing?
Mooney is one of the easiest airplanes to repair after a belly in if it wasn't hit hard. I just repaired a M20E that belied in. No big deal. You have to pull the engine to get at the crank gear.
You almost bought a lemon.
The gear breaker kept tripping? Make sure it is grounded. Job done. See what I did there? Hey-O!
I would love to hear the conversation with the insurance agent. smh....
"So about that asking price....."
Is that thing really totaled?
Well that’s heart breaking. Looked like a nice airplane. Certainly with its age it will have squeaks but the gear not locking or gear issues are absolutely no go….
Thinkin I like the johnson bar mooney gear a lot better.
I'd have to ask, couldn't he had pinned the gear down before he flew it?
Aww man. Damn. :( The pretty plane. :(
I'm sure it got the FAA's attention.
709 ride scheduled yet?
So they decided to FLY a plane to another airport to have the landing gear inspected because it was having issues...well that proves it, can't fix stupid.
They flew it and that was fine. The mistake was they flew it AGAIN after the ferry, and that's when they f*ked it.
Manual gear extension?
He claimed he did in the video
Dayton tn?
I have never seen a Mooney M20 have problems with the landing gear it’s, always Beechcraft bonanza that I see landing gear up. Glad you got them to fly it.
I would still take a Mooney, good aircraft.
Looking at a M20R now. I totally agree. I think it was a maintenance issue.
I own an ARROW II, its my first aircraft, and 10 years later I still enjoy the plane.
BUT, i think I have spent more time learning about MOONEYS than any other aircraft during the time that I have owned my Arrow.
Actually with the Bonanza’s it’s the pilots. Mostly doctors and lawyers who have money but don’t fly enough. The Bonanza has the most robust gear system out of all in its category. If you hand crank it in case of an emergency there is no way it can collapse like this.
@@SirDrifto Go O! 😃
@@kushagramittal4275 I like Bonanzas a lot, but a Mooney wing will take at least 12.3 Gs and the wing will still stay on. Some of the rivits will pop, but the main spar will hold the wing on. Ask me how I know.
Saved by the Crash.
Time to renegotiate 😂 nice fixer upper.
Is that a low rider? Nice entrance for older people.
Not a pilot or aircraft mechanic here, just your average shlub who's an aviation enthusiast. Obviously it's best not to fly it at all until the problem is fixed but you said it was being ferried for repair. Surely this plane could have been flown safely despite the malfunctioning retracts? Could the pilot have verified the gear was down and locked, pinned it somehow to make sure it stayed there, then yanked the breaker? Essentially making it fixed gear?
You know how those Broadway dancers run at you and slide on their knees to impress the crowd? I think that plane saw one of those shows and decided to try to impress you by sliding on it's knees!
That looked like the gear were retracting just before landing.
I guess you’ll get an instant 50% off ✈️😎
Not a write off, but going to take a LOT of work to get it back in flying shape. Sounds like it had problems that should have grounded it. Personally I have seen too many videos and news articles to fly a plane that is popping breakers. Did the owner get a Special Flight Permit for this flight? I would think one would be required.
You KNOW the gear had a problem yesterday. Do you believe in the gear fairy?
-"Safe and Effective"- Dangerous and Defective
Mmm, this makes me appreciate my Johnson bar a lot more. Bought my Mooney with only seeing piks of it. It was inspected by Maxwell Aviation before a ferry pilot brought her to me.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it ain't fixed, don't fly it.
can't you get a professional survey done on the plan as part of the purchase process like is done on larger boats?