Women: "We keep giving short-term partners what they want and asking more from long-term partners while giving them less of what they want, why do none of the men want to be long-term?!"
Incentivizing players, disincentivizing loyal guys, then they wonder why they fail to get commitment. It's because they want players to treat them like the good guys they don't want
@@cardenasr.2898 it's actually a lot simpler. Men are hunters. Women are tamers. Both lose their purpose once they achieve their goal. "good guys" suck at hunting, so they become desperate. "beautiful from the inside" girls don't have bait to tame, so they "settle". I personally am a "FFB" because after the "hunt" is done, i lose interest. I don't want kids and haven't been able to find my "soulmate". When youre 60 you'll both be ugly so unless you have something in common the relationship is just going to be painful. If only more girls had an actual personality instead of sitting on instagram all day...
They traded families, long term happiness, and purpose for a lot of D from men prettier than and with more status who will never love them and will only sleep with them from 18-3x, when they hit the wall.
The Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him told us to protect women in his famous "Last Sermon." The Anti-Christ who works for Satan, in the end of times will be targeting women and has been working on it intensively. Sharia Law is implemented in Afghanistan protecting women from harming themselves, thus truly liberating them. They do not work, are cared for by their men and focus on fostering healthy families. They are truly cared for.
Correct But They are having to much fun while young to learn let alone GAFF about this and by the time this reality becomes inexcusablly evident it's to late
My wife started saying dumb sh*t after 10 years of marriage like. 1) you have an anxious attachment personality. 2) i didn't like the truck your drove 6 years ago 3) I never likes the way you eat spaghetti Can you guess what was going on with her? you guessed it! she was cheating and got emotionally connected to another man.... Now I have to be the bad guy
I think they all read the same same Universal girl guide book. When they find someone else , instead of telling out right to their current partner. They become so toxic and pitiful so that you can't no longer tolerate them, and when men go their Own way ... We are the bad guys
Story time: Younger brother and I are trust fund kids. My brother at the time was going through med school when he married his girlfriend. She was nice enough at first. Then about 2-3 months after marriage it's like a switch was flipped. She completely changed. Absolutely a nightmare. Brother couldn't deal with it after a year and filed for divorce. She smashed things, screeched, etc and said she would take him to court and take everything he was worth. Reverse uno card: Trust funds are NOT marital assets and are more secure than a prenup. My brother technically was a broke college student and she got nothing. It's been a few years and she still sends fake letterheads with made up law offices to both of us demanding payment, or properties, etc. Point is she completely changed after marriage and tried to get our assets. Secure your money in a trust, not a prenup.
Jesus. I can't imagine being so lazy that I would go to any length to steal money that belonged to someone else just bc I wanted it not bc I deserved it
As someone currently setting up multiple trusts for family members, this…seems to be correct and I have no idea why I never thought of this particular application. Just note that if it ever takes off, the usual suspects in places like CA will ex post facto ruin trusts as hard as they did prenups.
As an economist, I appreciate your application of game theory here. You’re basically describing a multistage game where the more encounters you have, the more stages of the game you play, the more likely you are to develop a dominant strategy of not being loyal.
The sad part is that a closed/limited system would (I believe?) have an equilibrium at L:L In other words: NLs would be excluded from the local “full” dating pool after establishing enough of a bad rep. This is how things used to work before dating apps
the best relationship to be in is one where a woman actively sees other women fiending for you, even if she doesnt want you it becomes a concept of not wanting other women to have you and she'll do anything for your time, attention and validation- anything.
@@scottverge938Really? Seriously? None of the insecure attachment types do well in the long run, and surprise, avoidant is an insecure attachment. Perhaps what you meant to say is you’re anxious attached? Either way, all you do my moving to the other side is potentially attract the other side of the insecure attachment types. Putting in the hard work to become secure is the only way.
I was married, no divorced, this concept is spot on. Within a month of getting married not only my wife, but her friends basically completely changed into this mode that nothing I did was good enough for her. Non stop giving with no reciprocation. And the bulk of men who I associate with had the same experience. Shortly after getting married suddenly no sex, no attention, everything is wrong, nothing is good enough and so on.
Before you give her a ring, protect your assets: - Get a trust fund for all your assets and make it airtight by putting as many clauses as you can think of that can protect you and your future children. Women don't need to come after your assets straight away in a divorce, they can slowly drain your account by using your children and "general inflation"... And as you make more money the older you get, you are screwed.. Preferably put someone else as the main beneficiary, you need to trust this person to the ends of the Earth. - Make her sign a prenup before you give her the engagement ring and even before she moves into your apartment. Check your state laws and see what is considered a 'common-law marriage'.
@numskulltheory7133 you also need to lookout for women that want the wedding day but not the marriage. A good amount of women have spent days and days of their lives thinking about their wedding day, who they want there, what music, what food, where it will be, etc... Dating is just a stepping stone for that ultimate goal in their lives. As they haven't planned out, or even thought about being/staying married, when they cannot get that "marriage feeling" from the wedding photos.., It is game over.
I recall hearing this over a decade ago from a pastor and its been proven true time and time again. 'The devil tries to get you to have sex before marriage. That messes up your bond to each other. Then after marriage he tries to keep you from having sex, because that would strengthen the bond.' The enemy has been very successful, apparently. Forever destroying couples. How many trophies are on his mantle?
The problem is society needs to understand men and women, then structure society around what motivates them. False narratives of feminism and mgtow both lead to this problem.
Disney movies really set me up for complete failure when it comes to women. I thought all girls were princesses in middle school lmaooo. Reality hit me like a freight train.
Yeah... Tbh, Disney movies and the way men are taught about women from their youngest age sets them up for a hell of a wild ride later on in their life. I would know. I went through the taught delusion to then the cruel enlightenment.
Not only Disney but fairy tales, the ending is " they got married and lived happily ever after" then also my mother lieing and manipulating me that girls are good and boys are scum.
@@DeadManWalking-ym1oo 28 years ago after my divorce I said that women are a waste of time. I laugh at their TikTok videos claiming how important they are and men must pay for their precious time.
She's completely disregarding all the men that have no issues committing. But those are all the guys who aren't crazy successful with women. In other words the guys that are invisible to her. Also Hoe Math is particularly salty at the end of this one LOL
Guys who have no options would have no issues committing out of desperation, however guys who have options and no issue committing get scopped out of the dating pool pretty quickly by settling into a monogamous relationship, hence why they are the rarest type of guy. Many of those men with no options, if put in the more attractive men's shoes, would reveal that they do prefer to not be loyal, and pretty quickly too.
Every adult male in NA knows at least one - often many - other adult male who's gone through a heart-rending, pocket-emptying, life-destroying divorce. Having witnessed it, we have no desire to emulate it.
My divorce cost me $1,500, 000 and took 2.5 years to complete. Tell that to a 27 year old fella and they quickly start re-evaluating marriage in today's society.
Thank God for alternative media platforms where men can collaborate and share experiences. Young men have the capacity to see how women have treated older men they know in relationships and avoid the train wreck before it ever happens. To me this is simple to explain People respond disproportionately to incentives regardless of any other factor. If you are a decently attractive woman with few employment options it makes sense to use marriage, family court, child support, alimony to build your wealth. You just have to select men very carefully and be everything they want until she has gathered sufficient leverage on you to take you for everything you got. The Longer a relationship goes the less return on investment you get
She literally said that’s understandable if you are extremely good looking or successful, then complain why men won’t commit… We are not making any progress guys 😪
So, the men that she wants to marry, she understands why they won't marry her, and the men that want to marry her, she doesn't want. Then she wonders why men don't marry. She literally just explained herself why the entire male popuation isn't married.
Shame. Shame is the thing that used to keep society sane. People need to be shamed once in a while. Fat-shaming leads to less people who want to be fat. Slutshaming leads to less people who want to be garden tools. Shaming people for perverse behavior, prevents people from doing perverse things. And on and on. Bring shame and shaming back, or nothing will change.
@@theeclectic2919 There was a comedian in my country in the late 70s or early 80s who wrote a song called "Where is the shame". Saying precisely that. Dude was ahead of his time.
@@theeclectic2919 Shame just make people hide their behaviors , if it can be hidden , unless they believe in retribution after life then yeah, shame is effective.
I remember back in the late 2000s and early 2010s being on message boards where guys were all putting their minds together to figure out what the heck women wanted. It was a major struggle and nobody really got it very well. You have condensed 6000 years of human knowledge in to easily explainable cartoons. Kudos.
The trick is not giving women-as-a-group credit for being self-aware. They really are slaves to their emotions and base needs. The ancients had it right.
@@GingerNingerGames They just want to feel something, all of the time. Feel lonely, hook up, feel arousal. Get in a relationship, feel romantic stuff, then get bored and cheat or start drama to feel something. Peace and stability means they cant be all up in their feels all the time so they attack peace and stability. Its not that hard to understand, if you just accept that instead of a logical thinking brain and a desire for good outcomes all they have in their head is a monkey clapping two cymbals together.
Been engaged twice. Once to a virgin Church girl and one to a big city stripper. They both stabbed me in the back, lied, cheated, demanded more and more in exchange for nothing. Best relationship I had was a booty call I'd give weed to and NEVER allowed her to stay the night or leave any item at my home. That girl was loyal and loving.
Wow, I feel like you could write a book about that, church girl to stripper seems like a pretty big swing, but then again knowing the modern church... maybe it isn't.
Almost like when she knows she has your commitment and loyalty generally she will turn vile. But if she always has to work for it, it keeps her sweet. Sucks it has to work that way. But alas that is the way women are in general.
It actually isn't though. When people deny themselves for a cause (loyalty) for prolonged time, they have tendency to reach for the opposite if their ideals fall apart (betrayal). I'm in a 10 year relationship with my gf, but I jokingly (I'm not joking at all) say that if we ever break up I'd go on a cocaine fueled prostitute fuck spree at Thailand. That's because I know what I'm giving up for this relationship, and I don't intend to indulge in these thoughts and vices I have as long as there's something worth building for. However, if that falls apart, I'm under no illusion I'd be able to bond with another woman at that level ever again, so time to "catch up" on all the things I've sacrificed, if you will.@@Lemurman42
This experience is so common, it's sickening. I think most of us will be headed towards the booty call eventually. Everything else is just so full of shit. Dogma, abuse, cheating, gaslighting, divorce. Enough is enough. Either act like you say you will, or don't stay around me. None of this holier than thou hoe shit.
this is the most on point explaination as to why society is plunging into childlessness and why relationships don't last for shit. have watched most of my male friends get cheated on and dumped sometimsin multi decade relationships by women who seemed to be normal and healthy. I'm single and 38 and I doubt I'll ever even find someone to be with now because all of the loyal women are taken and the young loyal women that exist now are not looking to date a man almost old enough to be their father. this explains why men in western nations look to other countries for women now. everything is ruined
I mean, if you're 38 and filthy rich there would be truckloads of women throwing themselves at you. But beign rich nowadays is almost as dificult as pulling normal girls, so i really just described the best case scenario
I don't think (some) women can ever grasp how disgusting their behavior is to normal people, and how no one would ever view them as anything as disposable. Once you get past a point in your life, you stop having interest in them.
They can’t grasp how the behavior seems to normal people because those normal people you’re referencing are men, and women don’t view men as people at all.
Dont ever use the word disgusting when describing women. women KNOW who LOVE women, and they do great unexpected things for such men and you'll always wonder why it happens for other men and not you. Women are yummy and can be disappointing.
I've come to a point that it just isn't really worth it to me to be involved with women. I understand them enough that I can't come up with a reason why I want to be around them anymore. And I use understand loosely. The only thing I know thats consistently true about women is that I can't rely on them to stay consistent. It's not even that I don't find any enjoyment in women. When things are agreeable, there's no other company I would enjoy more. There was a saying that went around a very popular "Manosphere" website. "She's not yours. It's just your turn." This about sums up my experience.
A note on the Nash Equilibrium: what you showed is straight up from the Prisoner's dilemma, but what you left out is that if we do repeated games of this dilemma, the choice to "cooperate" (or in this case, be loyal) becomes the rational move, because when you "defect" (are disloyal), others take note and will not want to cooperate, whereas if you cooperate, others will want to cooperate. So, the solution is to shame infidelity and fuckboys/hoes, and to celebrate loyalty.
In a small community of 10-20 people - yes, others do take note. However, it doesn't work in the modern-day urbanized society, because that society is too big and atomized to be influenced by one individual's decisions
We just haven't gotten back to the "collaborate" place yet. We're still living through the ripples of the 60's changes. Ripples driven mostly by a lack of ethics in business and industry. There's money to be made on division. Hell, this channel is making money off of division even though it's trying to ease that division.
00:45 I had that exact revelation from 18-20. I hit puberty late, but hit 6 ft in a massive growth spurt end of senior year. After high school I became a lifeguard and partied pretty hard. The difference in the way women saw me at that point was so tremendously stark, it blew me away.
Me too, I grew up on water frontage, so I was rowing boats from a young age which made me very muscular. Shooting up to six foot with muscles was definitely an eye opener. I've always looked much younger than I am as well. I've seen the worst of female behaviour, it's one the reason I've never married. Milk's free, I don't want or need the cow!
@@LeventButSpeedrunning My first long term relationship went for four years. From when I was 18 to 22, all but one of her so called friends tried to sleep with me. I was loyal and said no to some very attractive young ladies. The relationship ended when she cheated. Relationship two went for 5 years, from 22 to 27. She was crazy jealous, always accusing me of being a player. I wasn't, I was still loyal. Turns out her jealousy was just projection, she thought I was getting away with what she actually was doing. It's at this time I decided that I wasn't going to rush into anything, and also had a biaches ain't loyal attitude. This is when I discovered that women love an unavailable arsehole. I didn't lie or cheat, I'd tell them straight that didn't want a relationship and i was seeing multiple women. To my surprise it attracted them more. I went from having only slept with the two girlfriends and three others by twenty seven, to over thirty before I turned thirty. I had, and have standards. I wouldn't sleep with married or girls that were in relationships, but I did both because they lied. I found out after the act that they had boyfriends, or were married. One night out I met a attractive petite brunette, while I was talking to her two girls that I had slept with came over and were basically trying to get me to go home with them (not together) When the little brunette witnessed these two fighting over me she reached around and gave my arse a squeeze to silently let me know she wanted me. She later told me that seeing those girls fight over me was very attractive. She was one of the very rare honest ones, I learnt a lot from her. So many stories, I could write here all day! Women are master manipulators, and they do it with sociopathic ese.
I've been single for 3 years now and don't suspect any prospects for a life partner to appear anytime soon. Your videos are absolutely genius and the way you explain all these insane modern phenomenon has helped me and many others make sense of it all. Thank you! Keep up the good work.
As a 6ft5 unmarried Chad in his early 30s, this video is spot on. Not only have my personal, anecdotal experiences led me to pursue only casual relationships, my friends and their bad experiences (and divorces) have as well. Hoe-Math literally never misses.
6'0 200lbs (muscle) unmarried 39yo tyrone here. Same experience. The current culture disincentives family formation - every aspect of American dating culture makes it difficult - from the high cost of child rearing to women's sexual liberation , to social media destroying everyone's brains we are now living in a postmodern hellscape
7ft 400lbs lean muscle only (with a 12-pack and a jawline like Robert Pattinson) unmarried 32yo multi-billionaire here. I can confirm it is really difficult to find a good woman, and switch gears to long-term mating
I don't agree. I mean I agree with the whole cheating blurb 100% but I think the main reason men don't want to commit was the first part of the video you lightly touched on; what happens when we commit. For some women, it's like they instantly activate their "horrible women" matrix and run it all full cylinders all hours now that there is ZERO consequence to acting like a horrible person . They can nag, be overbearing, be overly demanding, move the goalposts, withdraw sex, punish you for your actions, punish you for their actions, spend your money, emotionally manipulate and/or shame you into getting their way, and most importantly of all threaten divorce and financial ruin when the upper hand on finances (and the ability to walk away and find another woman) was basically the only upper hand we had before we got married. Now we have zero bargaining power within marriages because all our bargaining chips are locked behind the marriage contract, and she never had any bargaining chips beyond her youth and sex, and since I can't access those things outside our contract, she has zero incentive to uphold her end of the contract, and she has nothing to lose in acting like a horrible person. Like what am I going to do, not go to work? Not pay the mortgage? So really the only benefit left in marriage is having kids with someone. But now since women are starting to not even want kids (seriously have you SEEN the crazy child free movement online) THAT's no longer becoming a women's negotiation want, they're trying and make that a man's negotiation want to FURTHER bury us in an utterly unbearably unfair deal - "if you want me to ruin my body for your kids, you better pay up" is the new femcel saying. Women have zero dread in their lives keeping their own psyches in check - which isn't to say men would be any better if they had zero dread in their lives, I think humans can't handle perfect freedom and total power - most people need to be in reciprocal fair trading games with the people around them to stay sane and selfless. Right now in our feminist utopic society it's the women with total unfettered freedom to do whatever they want, descend to the lowest depths of their own psyche without anything to buffet their insanity, all the while men face the consequences of everybody else's self-absorbed actions. Anyway Hoe_math keep up the great work, feel free to reuse any of this because they're just ideas, and ideas are for everyone to share.
Watch the video again He said "we cant tell you apart", and "enjoy the sexual revolution", which i think refer pretty well to what you are describing/experiencing
I believe the "man bad" part on the Levels of thinking video has something to do with this behavior. I believe we're being influenced to hate each other. Women were the easiest target, as in Adam and Eve's story.
Some women aren't aware of their real flaws and they're afraid to truly explore themselves and see themselves as anything but perfect so they put up a circus of distractions to stop you from seeing their flaws and real shortcomings before they get a chance to. They'll get you pissed at other things before you can get pissed at the real things. Sometimes if they're sort of self aware, what they perceive as flaws aren't even that... They're just insecurities. They frick up the relationship and appear like the bigger badder wolf because of insecurities. It's better for you to be with someone who has truly self reflected over their life, someone self aware enough to share real vulnerabilities about past or present mistakes. I'm talking about mistakes cause that's where the strongest ego is at for any human being. Not girls who are like 'omg, I'm soooo not pretty, stop calling me that omg' Just so that you can get to call them pretty. My point is that they put up fake vulnerabilities so that you can attach to those and think it's something that bothers them when in reality, there's something real locked away somewhere. Get you a woman who is comfortable in her own skin and in her own mind whether she looks like Kim k or Jarjar even though they both look the same these days. I say comfortable in their own mind because like I said earlier, all that unnecessary and unreasonable fighting is just noise for you and for both of you to avoid going into her head or into the real issues. A man always has the upper hand even in marriage, sign a prenup and if she doesn't want to sign one, I guarantee you'll find someone that will. Don't be afraid to demand respect the moment a woman does something that you do not like even while dating, I know the hunt for coochie is real but you have to be okay letting go. The worst that could happen is that she leaves when you tell her you do not like something she did or said. And if she leaves then She doesn't respect boundaries anyway.
What you do not want is to enable her. Because those same actions or inactions you enabled will come up X10 later on in the relationship. Also, if she can't reasonably communicate why she's doing or not doing that thing, you're dating and or have married a child. That's a whole other journey trying to get her to speak up, let alone tell the truth about stuff... you can willingly go on with it's highs and lows or just leave and let her grow up on her own. It happens. Sometimes men and women need to grow up as grown ups. Let's normalize that.
Just ended a 2 year relationship with the woman I thought I’d marry. I no longer plan to settle down. My life is improving too much for the work I’ve put in just to throw it away on a relationship that could fail.
I feel for you, man. At least it wasn't a 10 year relationship like mine that ended a few months ago (not trying to downplay your hurt btw). I'm still holding out faith that there are still some good ones out there. I'm hoping there's a chance for the both of us. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
@@TheHamburgler123 the relationship I had ended gracefully. For what pain there was - I’m sure it has mostly gone by. I do hope yours wasn’t crippling and intense as well. But yes indeed, I’ll be rooting for you as well. Especially since from the sounds of it you have faith.
The fact she mentioned it being in the birth canal is that she thinks, for some reason, men never want to settle down, despite it being really fucking common until the past half century, roughly... Women generally set the tone of a relationship, which is why most divorces are initiated by women.
@@thetayz72 That’s because they are mentally children who didn’t have to face the consequences of their actions because they can’t handle it. In the past we decided they were worth protecting and part of that protection was that they didn’t get to make much in the way of choices for themselves. Now they’re able to make choices and not be accountable, it’s not shocking that society is collapsing.
My dad was a pediatrician. He was a great man, who made damn good money, and gave everything to my mother. What I saw for decades is that he could never do anything right in her eyes and she made his life miserable for 58 years. He died unappreciated, trying to make her happy. Now she wants me to take his place as the person she gets to beat up.
Two distinct events made me lose respect for women. First was like hoe math said. When i got muscles and a six pack. Second and the most eye opening, was the first time a woman called her boyfriend while she was laying in bed with me about to get smashed. Instantly my whole life replayed in my head. I started thinking back to every time any of my exes called me and told me she was going to bed early 🤦♂️
I had the same experience. I got in shape and gained confidence, could basically treat a number of girls like a used condom and they kept coming back for more. I have never intentionally smashed a girl if I knew she was in a relationship tho. Pretty shitty and devious for a dude imo.
I saw what happened to women and men after marriage. I also saw my mom call the shots my whole life and decided I could something different than what everyone else does.
women call the shots because men are literally known to be apathetic and incompetent as husbands and fathers , it's a stereotype for a reason. I've seen hundreds of married women say that.
That is the aim of Satan. To make Humans heartless. Read the last Sermon of the Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him where he stresses to take care of women. Modern day society has been corrupted by Satan's demons working for the Anti-Christ to dehumanize us. Afghanistan under the Taliban is a beacon of hope for humanity. The Islamic way of life with Sharia where all guard rails are in place protecting women from themselves, will prosper and rule the world through hearts and minds.
I can't describe this feeling, it's like losing a loved one. The more I understand the more grief I feel for what I once loved. They're all the same... they are actually ALL the same and it just hurts... Thanks for making these videos and always explaining things so concise and clearly.
@@justvid366 They're all the same in the US and UK. If the only way to find a normal woman is to leave your home country, then "they're all the same" is a perfectly reasonable and accurate position.
@@justvid366lmao yeah....then why is it when you bring them over they adapt the culture? Yes its the culture that does it, but it is innate, and it will almost always present itself given the opportunity. Why do you think the phrase "if you find a woman over seas never bring her back here." is a thing? It isn't because other women are fundamentally different.
@@justvid366 I live on the other side of the world from America, in Eastern Europe, and I can confirm that they are, indeed, all the same. Everything hoe_math says applies to a t.
Hello! Wanted to mention something I disagree with about the game theory diagram As a good gal myself I'd say for me it's; 1: both loyal 2: he's disloyal but I'm loyal 3: we're both disloyal 4: he's loyal but I'm disloyal Personally, I'd much rather be cheated on than cheat. I understand how heartbreaking it is to discover the person you loved betrayed you in a horrid way. But I think it's better to console yourself by realising you're the more valuable person here, than to become bitter and stoop to their level. I've had my heartbroken so badly I didn't feel normal for years. I became cynical I wondered why I'd even want a healthy commitment. I stayed in a sunken place but eventually I realised that those who did me wrong are long gone and irrelevant. It's *me* I have to live with. So I never regretted sticking to my values❤ As for my story, over time I learned to hone and trust my intuition, and I found a lovely man, who I trust 100% would never betray me. But you know what's funny? Even if he did, I'm ready for it. I'd take my time, pick myself back up, try to maybe see what signs I missed, and honestly even if I can't figure it out, I'd be happy to be single. Me, my loyal self, and I.
My rankings are the same! As you heal, you realize other people’s actions literally have nothing to do with you. How people speak, think and behave is a reflection of what’s going on with them, and them alone. Staying loyal is a reflection of you!
The game theory diagram values he used in the video reflect general population decision making. Of course there are good people like you who have better morals and values. The thing is in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter because good people are a minority. General societal trends are always set by majority with the exception of very powerful minorities like the elites. That's also the reason why propaganda should be emotional not logical. Because propaganda needs to convince the emotional masses not the minority of intellectuals. The masses decide what will happen. Not the minorities.
But in reality, how many men are ACTUALLY even able to "not be loyal and see other people"? This is really only a reality for women, they have endless options whereas the average man has nothing. Women are the ones that can have actually what will be good for them, but they actively choose to throw that away for gratification whereas men would be lucky if they could even have a loyal partner at all.
What the avg guy can do, and is generally doing now is saying "F this I won't play" They may not be the guys the women wanted first, but it is tilting more and more, that women can't find the capt save a hoe waiting to help her at the end.
That's why the game theory only applies to those who choose to stay in the game. If you're someone without options and get no luck at all with the ladies, you aren't even IN the game, so your choices don't matter. Tldr: if you're in the "Not Human" zone of attractiveness, you don't count.
@@TPixelAdventuresThere is an advantage to this that no one is talking about. Play the game with someone else who has not played the game. Meaning virgin men MUST seek out virgin women if they want a high chance for success. This is the only solution and no one besides myself is talking about this. Some statistics show that couples that married when they were virgins have higher chances of success with their marriages. Add strict religion or community into the equation and you have a legitimate game plan. Once passport bros ends and the following conditions are met: A: Finding virgin women in Southeast Asia becomes impossible B: Most of the world becomes westernized You will see men flocking to Islam or other cultures that will benefit them - which in turn will be for better or worse as far as the women are concerned. Women are destroying the West but there are some playboy low value passport bros ruining good loyal womwn in Southeast Asia for example. Young men need to prioritize finding a girl from what I described ASAP before it becomes to late....
But just because its not the case for the majority of men, it doesnt mean they are morally better, it just means they dont have options to not be. Those super slutty women have to sleep with someone, guess who that is? Successful men. If you made the analysys on how faithful are men who are attractive, tall, intelligent and successful, you would find out that not that much. Sure, there are hot top tier men, who are faithful to their women and they are the real virtuous kings. But if you wish that you had this one good woman for you that you would be faithful to you and no women want you, youre not virtuous, youre just a loser.
I'm going to stay loyal even if it means I'm single or hurt forever. Someone has to start making sacrifices. All its doing is boosting my self image and confidence to stand up to a broken society. My family name means sacrifice and quest for salvation. Saffron colored one.
Count me in. I suffer from the disregard of women but giving in to their instincts by becoming a six-pack retard honestly feels like an even bleaker perspective. If I get their attention this way, would that attention honestly be worth a damn? It would feel like struggling to put on a persona you know full well isn't yours, for that persona to be liked, instead of you. Instead of being loved more for how you genuinely are, live and express yourself. That wouldn't feel like love. It would feel shallow. A waste of energy and life.
Saffron-coloured robes are the truly long-term perspective. It's way beyond most people, but I'm trying in my mind. You will go a long way with a correct understanding of renunciation, compassion and the wisdom to see everything is empty of inherent existence.
I don't think I can go another fourth relationship of being loyal to just have it blow up in my face again. I almost died with the last one and each one hurts more. I have to become de-tatched and at that point, what's the point? I don't want that loveless life
You do you. I wish I had your faith, but I'm too dead on the inside and too pragmatic to be burnt. I'd rather let this all burn and then when people are forced to act properly, thens the time to choose to be loyal/cooperate
100% on point. I've been experiencing and thinking about this exact concept since 30 years ago. It's great that someone like you has come along who can articulate it so well.
"Are you reelin in the years?" "After all the things we done and seen, you find another man, The things you think are useless, i can't understand" Steely Dan
@@michaelsanchez8457 it's amazing how we get this, and we get this about super hot women in particular. But women just don't seem to understand that a lot of men, esp Chad, just want to sleep with them ...nothing more. I feel like our society had this down just a couple decades ago... Only to be totally forgotten now.
TFM would say it best: AWALT- ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT When you can't tell women apart, assume the worse and more than likely, they're all doing the same thing.
My first girlfriend changed me from bad boy, to very bad boy, and ever since, I've found it incredibly difficult to take anything women and girls say seriously, let alone trust them.
You just summarized my dating history in 4 1/2 minutes. I'm so glad the algorithm pointed me your way this week, I've been binging for three days now. You are sharing so much beneficial information that took me over a decade to accumulate. You are doing young people a great service by sharing this
Zones is permanently in my brain. Now anytime I see any relationship in a movie, tv, real life, news article, Im thinking "I wonder what zone she saw him in." or "She cheated bc he was too nice and wanted someone in the bad boy zone." We've got the They Live glasses for women lol
@@mstrikesback168 Your last sentence exactly sums up my experience. Whether it's a social interaction, text, social media post, song, etc., every time a woman speaks, the Zones map overlays my vision like I'm putting on those sunglasses and I can connect the dots on what women are saying. It's like a cheat item.
Haha... My favorite sketch of yours so far is the guy pouring attention down her throat- I laughed out loud as my past self can relate- oh man that was an awesome visual. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? (Why would men want to marry- the risk outweighs the reward significantly) I know tons of married couples, from friends, acquaintances, neighbors to clients... I can only count on one had the happily married couples. Maybe 5 or 10% of the people I know. The rest are absolutely miserable, most of the males have died a slow death by a 1000 paper cuts and are now so beta/submissive I hardly recognize them. No thanks. I bounced on my last relationship when she took zero accountability for anything, at all, and when I wasn't appreciated. I've never been so stress-free, happy and focused as now. It's been a couple years of choosing single-life- it's been better than I expected. (Although that seems to piss women off- I'm not committing/marrying by choice)
The mistake in the first place is thinking that stuffing down attention onto someone's throat will get you anywhere. Sick world we have there and it's from both sides. It's smart to stay away from those people but what I think is wrong is to blame it all on women which happens here a lot. I'm sure all of yall are the best most willing to face your emotions and depths of your Psyche and so on and furth and non of the alpha aggressors which has the capacity of a teaspoon. Very sure about that! True understanding and compassions is not found here only getting the milk like it wouldn't be something bad in the first place! Morally under the table but do it anyways how you wish Dude. Monching together or watching insects is too mainstream for yall porn addicts who don't know anything about life at all how it seems. Blabla women matrix bla milk from them the fuck is that
I know a few married couples, all miserable, but the vast majority of the older men i know are divorced and literally tell me not to bother with women past casual bedroom fun time. of course im going to listen if literally every role model i have tells me the exact same thing and has the experience to back it up.
Even when you find loyalty, they'll be some other crazy bs, dated woman for 6mo then she started ragging, got mad I put one dish a my sink in my house, later accused me of doing it on purpose to bother her. Final straw for me, back to single, maybe for good
"on purpose to bother her" Good god, if I hear that from a woman I chose to date, we are going to both single very fast. I had more than enough of that bs from people I didn't choose in my life.
@@georgev8590 exactly, we were out at seeing a small band with her friends, out of nowhere she comes up to me and says "I know you put that dish in the sink on purpose" and I basically said I know you have uber but would you like me to get you one bc I'm out of here. Paid off the bar bill that she ran up on expensive tequila, left her there and that was that
The only thing that didn't belong in your house is her. Never be afraid to tell her that. And don't be afraid of the cops either, restraining orders never stopped anyone before.
I'm 60. I've never been married. Any woman around my age that's been married (perhaps multiple times) is going to be dragging a lot of baggage. On rare occasions, their experience mellow their expectations and attitude about relationships; they go with the flow. On the other hand, many will still expect (driven by bad relationships and their unrealistic demands and expectations) a long list of things that HAVE to be their way, and an overestimation of what they bring to the relationship. Why would I want to get involved with that? Being alone is not a big deal for me. It's certainly better than having to atone and answer to someone for every problem, and hurt, and lack of satisfaction from their past partners. It's not my fault those guy's hurt you. Don't assume you can take it out on me. It's not my job, champion.
This is the first genuinely genius and novel thing you’ve done… I actually haven’t seen anyone else explain that hookup culture is the result of a new Nash equilibrium created by the incentive shift lol. You can take it one step further by incorporating mixed strategy equilibria (I.e. being “bad” sometimes and “good” some fraction of the time) to better describe reality
It's worse because at least with a car there's a cap to how much your going to lose. Family court judges will sometimes set ridiculous payments based solely on unrealized earnings or put another way possible future earnings. The amount of discretion a family court judge has is astounding and scary
54 yrs old, single and celibate since 2014. No plans to change, but open to random chance. House paid for, both cars paid for, one lovely kitty-cat for company, no complaints about how many guns I own... I win.
@@hyperadapted presumably a comfortable retirement where he can enjoy all his free time pursuing his hobbies and such. Maybe do some volunteering for a noble cause.
@@Cutiejuliya Jerk off every couple days, it keeps the stupid second head from making bad decisions for you. More often if you've got a high libido. First thing I do every morning before I shower and I haven't made a sex-related choice I regret in years. Celibate since 2011.
For one, the definition of “loyalty” to men & women is different. Not only this, when surveyed, women said loyalty was the least important trait for her ideal man to have with her, alongside “kindness” and “intelligence”. Not kidding - THESE ARE LITERALLY THE THREE THINGS WOMEN OUTWARDLY TELL MEN THAT THEY CARE ABOUT THE MOST. Women will subconsciously tell men the opposite of how they actually feel as a means of obtaining power over men. I’m convinced of this altogether after listening to women continually say the opposite of what their behavior is. It’s literally them lying or them not knowing what they actually want and coincidentally believing the OPPOSITE of what is true about their nature. Either way, trusting that particular gender is ill-advised. When we are operating in a fake reality, they are able to move about and do whatever they please without objection and without the notice of others (men). Our government and media does the SAME EXACT THING when they want us to focus on the lie in their right hand while they do this heinous act in their left hand. Hiding the truth from large swaths of society enables the information broker to control people based on what information is brokered to them. That’s why women hate the viral nature of the RPP.
Thanks for that reminder of what women want from their ideal man. If I remember correctly, they do want all of those things but they fall dead last in all the different qualities they want in a man. Those are just bonuses if they can get them.
@@kap4020 Look up the video TUA #82 - What Do Women Want? HINT, It's not kindness, loyalty or intelligence Rich Cooper talks about it. The study is called. Attractive Women Want it All: Good Genes, Economic Investment, Parenting Proclivities, and Emotional Commitment It's linked in the description of the above video. Another take on the study is WOMEN want it ALL: study reveals what women want From PsyChacks
What you're describing here is pretty much what happened to me in my last relationship. I met someone that I felt had long term potential, so I called all my casual hook ups, told them I was in a relationship, and broke things off. I thought this would be a gesture of my loyalty to her, so she would know I was serious. Well she didn't end up cheating, but I did find out she was secretly maintaining social connections with all her past hook-ups as sort of a backup plan. She kept a lot of secrets and I felt like such a fucking sucker for breaking off all my connections, I'll never do that again. Girls of gen Z and below are totally untrustworthy and proud of it.
Wow! Did we date the same girl?! Literally what I did with my "Loyal long term potential" girl! 7 years ago today! Ended things 2 years ago after finding out she was seeing other people behind my back.
You accurately played out my experience over 20 years dating, married, divorced, rebounding, and almost ready to give up. But your videos somehow give me hope...
The goal for men is to get to the Prince Charming Zone (which should be called the King Zone) when you're there, the woman will be the submissive queen. Just make sure you stay in that zone and you've won the game. Getting there is tricky, but possible.
@mstrikesback168 Feel free to play all those games with no guarantee payoff at the end. The rest of men are seeing things for what they are and are opting out.
Amazing video and great depiction of the strategic interaction/learning process. I used to teach strategic interactions/game theory at Uni. If I still did then I’d steal this example in a heartbeat. Two notes: 1) Game theory is usually depicted where higher numbers is better. 2) there are a bunch of ways you could expand the model to have signals and other things that might let you end up at the loyal/loyal outcome over time but that would be way more complex and not really be about early stage dating that starts off at not loyal/not loyal for the reasons you depicted.
"Nobody can improve their position by being loyal." Once a woman turns nasty, she seems to be in competition to screw a guy over before she can get screwed over. She can only respect a man who is either immune to her deception or just as ruthless as she is.
@@Lucrei. Except it is true. They say one thing but do another. They would rather be a number in Chad's harem living a life of luxury than be a poor, modest farm wife.
Exactly. There is no social contract anymore. I am not saying cheating wasn’t happening back in the day, it’s just that everyone agreed that promiscuity and adultery were bad. Hence the people involved always had to stay loyal defacto. But since the sexual revolution, the contract is broken and no accountability is asked from society. So why would you stay in a deal where you get nothing?
When men openly say what would encourage us to get married, women don't want to listen or shame men's standards. The list is something like this: -Low body count or virgin -Pretty and in shape and not old -Feminine caring character, not argumentative -Prioritizes family over personal job/ambitions -Doesn't believe in divorce or woke rubbish -Loyal -Has sex regularly with the partner, and likes him deeply -Doesn't seek the attention of other men in person or with social media -Shares a common vision for the family and doesn't waste money to avoid "boredom" I guarantee you that a girl like this would get FLOODED with marriage proposals. The issue is that they want marriage proposals, while still behaving however they want, even if it's repulsive to men, because "no man can tell me what to do" etc... Can't have it both ways. Listen to the customer or don't close the sale.
In Afghanistan under Sharia Law this is forcefully implemented and that whole list is a defacto given. In Muslim communities in the West, it exists up to a certain extent but the laws are accessible to those women too and thus they are open to corruption.
i’m exactly like this and i never got dating proposal not even talking about marriage. your guarantees are all lies men want what is easier to get. they don’t want to wait till the girl will trust them enough to have sex. it’s too much for y’all
@@софія-ю7ы The fact that you come out guns blazing to be argumentative with someone on the internet already tells me that you're not like this. The "it’s too much for y’all", is shaming language aimed at belittling men, so no, you're not like that in the slightest. The fact that you didn't even get "dating" proposals, tells me that you might also be inflating the value of your looks. Even an argumentative girl would get dating proposals from guys who want to have casual sex if she's pretty. If men want what's "easier to get", they would be marrying 1/10, 2/10, 3/10, and older 30-40 50-year-old single moms.....but they don't.
@@софія-ю7ы im just not good at getting to know people, its complicated. ur right for msot probably but a lot also like me, so they get misjudged, probably
This is funny! I was gonna write a parody math comic book about game theory and dating because I'm obsessed with game theory and power structures lately. But you got most of what I was gonna write. I was gonna ultimately show that modern dating with romantic ideals is a pursuit of a masochist haha
NICE! You're really inspiring me in my mid 30s to think again about this whole mess we're living in. And funny thing is, I wrote just yesterday under another short video of yours about my own theory on how bad the Sexual Revolution deteriorated our societies and drew a comparison on the status-quo of the Old Testament era with regulated polygyny. I think that idea brew inside me for a long time but your takes are a really good catalyst for sure! Thanks mate
I unironically have gotten more misogynistic as I have dated more women lmao. It's so common to find them with a life in complete disarray, and tons of negative behaviors and unprocessed baggage.
The deification of Christ is a provable scam. The died 3 days, born a virgin, ressurected story is a pagan sun myth that has been telling the story of the winter solstice for thousands of years prior to a fiesty jew getting killed for inciting a roman rebellion. I hope you find the salvation you are looking for. You won't find it anywhere outside of yourself.
personally it's the annoying constant venting, constantly talking about uninteresting daily events and the bouts of crazy accusations, arguments that she makes a big deal out of when it's really nothing. like it's always something that's gonna be a major annoyance factor. honestly i applaud the men that can tune this shit out, i've never been able to.
You had me up until the very end. Cheaters are still gonna cheat, no matter what the law and culture says. And a government enforcing that is wildly overreaching what a government should do.
Personally, I have never experienced girls worth a damn. My mom and my sister are both doing it right, so I have concluded that it's largely an upbringing issue. Moreover, neither my mom nor my sister had any 'experiences' before marriage, which again is part of upbringing. My younger sister married her husband and, ten years later, they are still doing great. Sometimes she nags, he comes and tells me about it (we're good friends now), and I have consistently told him that he can just bring it up to her. My sister sees he's upset by how she is treating him and, because she loves him, she adjusts her behavior when possible. Her husband accommodates some things, but ultimately they both reach an amicable agreement. My sister went thru a brief period of eternally complaining and monopolizing his time, which was stressing him out beyond reason. I actually intervened that time (I try not to) and she realized that he was quite angry with her. Losing him was probably the worst outcome she could think of, and today she encourages him to take time away from their kiddo. Sometimes she has to argue with him into taking a two day weekend, because she sees he's stressed about stuff. On the flip side, my brother in law makes time for her. He knows that women crave attention, so he gives her plenty of it when it is appropriate. I have no desire to know about their... err... private time... but it's probably great because he'd for sure let on that things were failing in that department. For my part, I have been in the top left of that grid my whole life and I struggle to even participate any more. I can't not be loyal, it's not something I am capable of for some reason, even though I would really like to just give in. So I get serious with a girl, she gets serious, we go on dates, and then she starts getting weird. In my early 20s I was befuddled by these periods of strife. Invariably, we would break up and I would blame myself. The girl would be going out with another guy within a few days and I would spend weeks or months trying to fix my broken heart and meet somebody else to start all over again. Today, in my mid 30s, I see her getting distant or cruel and I know what's up: she has found another guy that she likes better and she is trying to push me away so she doesn't have to be the bad guy. I always call it out. Me: "I can see you aren't interested anymore, so I guess we're breaking up now?" Her: "What? No! I'm just going through [fake crisis] right now." M: "Okay, sure." [Time passes, many arguments] H: "I am breaking up with you." M: "Huh, didn't see that coming." H: "I just feel like [some bullshit words] and it's time we went our separate ways." M: "Right, well I know you're probably talking to some other guy." H: "No! I would never do that!" M: "I'll totally believe that if you go single for more than three months." H: [offended] "Why are you being such a jerk! This is why we're breaking up!" [Is single for four days] This is the basic formula for how it goes. And they always use words of feeling and emotion when they're being mean, because feelings are more valid than reality so it justifies being mean. I hate this game so much. All I want is a loyal wife and some kids. Time is passing and I get older and this seems to be impossible. I fucking hate the behavior of modern women.
She’s leaving out something this channel is actually quite good at; communication. Both people get their first option if they are willing to express it, bring that to the table themselves, and are honest... Not everyone has these things, to be fair, but it’s a solid starting place.
I hope there's enough honest women still left out there. Some guys really do hit the jackpot -- married for 40+ years and still legitimately in love and enjoy the time they spend together. I have a few clients like that. A few have invited me over for dinner and I've really gotten to know their dynamic. It gives me hope that it's possible to find a lifelong partner. The depressing part is that they're a product of a different era -- people in their 60s-80s.
@@TheHamburgler123 good news there are some, about 20%. Bad news you probably won't be in the 20% no matter what you do. Remember, its not just about marriage. It is the happily married part. Most marriages are unhappy because in the womans mind, she couldn't get the guy she actually wanted to settle down with her. So she is utterly miserable making his life miserable.
Yeah, this channel is fun, but I pity anyone who takes it as an end-all analysis. Could you fucking imagine if homo sapiens had a 2-bit computer for a brain like this video implies? Everyone may partake in the game, but normal mature people will also negotiate, communicate and work together to land in the 1st quadrant. You're only royally screwed, once you stop seeing your partner as a person ...which, ironically, this channel does not encourage doing.
@@TheHamburgler123 I'm in that group. In my early 40s. Part of it is just how my wife is wired (she always wanted a family and is relatively less crazy than most women). Part of it was that I was deeply suspicious of marriage (20 years ahead of the curve, because I'm smart and saw what a f'ing ruin my parents' generation had made of the institution) and so I laid down the law in advance of getting married. 'I expect X, Y, and Z. In return, I will A, B, and C. Break this deal and I'll divorce you. BTW, in my opinion, deliberate manipulation of the legal system to destroy a man's life is grounds for murder. Still interested?' She said yes and it's worked out for 19 years, so far.
This is the best video you've ever done. It's mathematical proof that we need patriarchy, monogamy, or some other system of punishing disloyal sexual behavior to come back. I think your chart is fine with rank ordered choices as it's harder to dispute. Expected utility values would be interesting as it might change the potential for a dominant strategy to emerge for good guys/good girls, but expected utility values gets a bit subjective. The premise that good guys/girls prefer commitment and bad guys/girls prefer non-commitment makes rank ordering fairly straight forward and accurate. I think "loyal" versus "not loyal" should change to "emotionally invested" and "not emotionally invested." I'm going to use "loyal" and "not loyal" in my critique here, but I think emotional investment and its consequences is what we're really talking about, since we're speaking of avoidant attachment. Overall, they kind of go together: loyalty and emotional investment. What's interesting is if you're a good boy (prefers commitment), then there is no dominant strategy. All you can do is smooth out the impact her actions have by choosing to not be loyal. Being loyal means there's extremes: you get your first choice if she's loyal and your last if she's not. And the expected utility of "I'm loyal and she's not" is going to be very deeply negative. Being a bad boy (prefers non-commitment) means there is a dominant strategy: you always wind up better by not being loyal. If she's loyal, you wind up better not being loyal (your first versus third choice) and if she's not, you still wind up better being not loyal (your second versus fourth choice). The only thing I'd outright dispute in your analysis is you said the Nash equilibrium is in the "everyone is disloyal" corner. This is true for any bad/x pairing: it's the only Nash equilibrium point. But a good/good pairing has a Nash equilibrium in the "everyone is loyal" corner as well as in the "everyone is disloyal" corner, with a preference for the "everyone is loyal" corner (they're both Nash equilibrium points in a good/good pairing, because neither player can unilaterally change their strategy away from that corner and improve their reward). So, it's not that the good player is forced into the "everyone is disloyal" camp and that's the only rational choice (there's no dominant strategy for the good player). The real situation is that they have to choose between hope for a good/good pairing while exposing themselves to being crushed by a good/bad pairing, versus smoothing out the reward schedule by just being disloyal themselves. This is mathematical proof that we need patriarchy and monogamy to make a comeback. There needs to be harsh punishments for being disloyal. That way, the reward schedule changes for bad guys/girls where "I'm not loyal but they are loyal" becomes the worst option on everyone's chart, and then the Nash equilibrium on everyone's chart will be "everyone is loyal." It's the only way to solve the mess.
Amazing content. I really don’t have enough or the right words to express how happy I am with this one, on top of the others I’ve seen, but still. Great work!
People think that they can start in the bottom right quadrant, then, if they like each other enough, agree to move to the top left quadrant. But it doesn't work that way. It's hard to ask someone who's sleeping around to stop and then trust that they actually will stop. And it's hard to be asked that by someone who was sleeping around just a bit ago and trust that it isn't a trick. The way you demonstrate that you are a trustworthy person who will be loyal and who will keep the pairing in the top left quadrant is by actually doing it- by actually demonstrating that trait by actually being loyal. But what you've demonstrated so far in the relationship is the literal opposite. Even if you literally start moving from quadrant 4 to quadrant 1, what you've actually demonstrated is something like, "My normal state of affairs is sleeping around, but because of how I feel about you specifically, I am loyal to you specifically." But feelings shift over time and sometimes people temporarily feel better or worse about their partner. What will happen if you two have a fight? What if you develop a possibly passing crush on someone else? The thing that is actually reliable is, "I am loyal because that is who I am, and even if we go through a rough time I will handle it honorably because that is my character as demonstrated by my actions." But if you started out sexually active and non-exclusive, that's not the character you've demonstrated through your actions.
We ended up here because we tried. Actually trying is painful because women reward "not trying" by slamming their va-j-j against it as hard as they can, and punish trying by making the tryers try harder. Take all the energy and resources you spend trying to please women, and selfishly spend them making yourself better and happier. Dngaff what they say. Congratulations. Now you're the one they want.
I started as a "good guy" - I found out that a lot of tgat was just beeing insecurity and early childhood trauma, average trauma, no crazy stuff. Please consider that too... girls are traumatized too, so like attracts like and both are unhappy, sooner or later. The key is consciousness. Looking at the feelings that are lying behind all our experiences. Sorry, not native English speaking
Perfectly explained, bbuuutttt! The man/woman "relationship problem" is multi-layered and as old as time. Yes, laws are different now compared to 100 years ago but that did not mean a majority of people were "happily married." Poor people were forced to stay married while the rich were not. Unfortunately, our caveman/cavewoman sex survival drive cannot be extinguished by societal rules and laws. The history of this subject is just too vast to cover in little snippets. Regardless, all your little snippets are spot on.
I like the 'I met some men in their 50's, 60's and even 70's' meaning...you actually entertained a conversation with and even accepted if they were flirting with you and or buying you drinks or simply paying you attention.
This is very well done. If you wanted to expand the game theory chart, add a category for both men and women who just leave the "game" because they perceive that it is not winnable in its current configuration would be a way to do it. A lot of people, rather than become bad, or risk being used again, just stop playing.
Can confirm the disillusionment of getting muscles. I might not be able to find loyalty, but I can bend an iron bar with my bare hands and that's way more satisfying than any date I've had.
I got cheated on, made the mistake of reconciling with her, went to therapy, gym, tried my best to be better... and she cheated on me again. Part of her excuse was arguing that she assumed I was cheating too. So I maintained self discipline and turned down many women over the course of a year... for worse than nothing.
You know that you are strong enough to be loyal to a girl who's actually a good person. She'll continue to cheat a burn through relationships. I'd consider that a win.
The best attitude to have. I would suggest going after the guy that has good traits but appears boring on the outside. Your average woman these days is allergic to that, they all want fun and excitement.
I have decent genes. Tall, decent face, smart. I'm at the point where I have recognized how the world works. I have the perception.But still being overweight, I don't have the " skill" ( this often leads to being gaslit). I have bought in heavily to the idea of romance. At this point I am an aethist but " True love" has been my guiding motiviation for some time now. Thing is. Why? Why fucking bother. I CAN get to the point where I can and and exploit woman like animals, but why? It's not a very righteous or fun thing to do. I REALLY want to have my childhood innocent fantasy of a sweet girl fulfilled. I want to essentially become a religous man. The life of grinding to be high value to get woman... its a situation where the cure is worse than the disease. Take for instance some kid that gets bullied at school. Perhaps through training he could defeat this bully. But by taking up boxing he will take more damage there than he ever will from getting his lunch money taken. This is similar to how I see dating. Yes, you may " lower" yourself to avoid the heart break of trusting and losing. But by giving in you surender any chance for love as well as your own humanity., 3:08 This is the exact same conclusion I have come to, but the only solution is to be righteous at any cost. I refuse to be evil. I'd likely even rather die than be suffer ( from lack of reward, for righteousness, or from taking what I desire). One of the most frustrating things to me is how quickly people give into their shadow for their own pleasure. How deserving are they really? 3:22 this graph could also be reorganized\ simplified But simply by the dynamic you touched on, this is prob the best vid so far.The game theory is real. This has been a major factor for trying to choose my next actions. 4:36: Same conclusion I came to, sort of... Thing is, if people devolve to their worse selves given this little pressure, they just aren't good people. Enforcing it societally may keep up appearances much better, but it doesn't fix the people. Social rules and structure is just masking the evil of humanity. People have been liberated. They have the freedom to be as awful as they REALLY are. Edit number 6 lmao: the game theory chart isn’t accounting for attractiveness. If anybody saw that video recently of a biker pulling up to a Starbucks and the girl flirting with him. So many dummies in the comments were saying she’s such a good sweet girl. Meanwhile she’s throwing herself at a stranger. Most awful people turn into real sweet hearts when they are shooting up 4 points.
Well, if anything, getting in great shape makes you feel good and if a situation arises, you will be happy that you are partially prepared for whatever comes.
Get into your best shape for yourself. You don't have exploit women once you have a good body. Just keep doing the same things you do now but be healthier.
@@lennylink8772 This is the mindset im taking so far. I wont settle for less than the "1", and therefore I must be my best self to have the potential outcome of it. I have to do my part.
I’ve watched a few of these videos and this one is actually a work of art. The others are good, but this is both a deeply emotional story and a true depiction of reality 🎉😢
I like this chart and seems true. I think it is wrong to cheat but i wouldn't blame a guy for having a FWB on hold who they can go back to if/when their gf cheats on them. The problem is it is not really loyal to talk to a former FWB while in a relationship imo. The only other logical thing to do is to ask God to show us who we should date, and to show us if they cheat. Dating is way too stressful without God's help imo. Having God lead us lightens that burden. We can and should still look for red flags if God brings us a woman to date. Just sleeping around as a bad boy isn't fullfilling is it? Id rather stay alone as I am now with how crazy most women are now.
A rule I follow is to treat all women the same. If she cheats on you when you're in a long term relationship, then she broke the trust and joins the FWB pool while you move on to find another loyal partner. Being cheated on hurts, but you gotta treat it like a disappointment and with indifference. She let you down, okay, back to dating again. You can not let a woman diminish you, if you keep up with these philosophies then it will root out the women who don't deserve you.
@@gorilla_with_jetpack4102 You are probably right, or mostly right. I heard on another channel that we shouldn't "fall in love" but still love in some manner, and be ready to dump her at any moment. I could dump, just not sure I could keep myself from falling in love but still show some love.... I would not stay with a bad or disrespectful woman no matter how much I love her.
Tried for a decade to make a woman happy, only to be divorced immediately after our first child. This is why. I’m never putting that much time and effort into another person. I’ll put that time and energy into myself and just do the short term thing. The only thing that makes that decade worth it is my daughter, that does take the sting out to be honest.
You just explained the state do the dating market as of now. Women are making society polyamorous and driving up the demand of good men. It’s simple economics, but many don’t want to see it as it brings them back to reality. The reality that they’ll most likely die alone. I’m a woman btw, I’m attempting to understand myself, society, and men. Thank you for your content.
You've already got a leg up on almost all women if you mean that, but I don't trust women so I can't take your word for it. I hope you find someone nice and don't fuck it up because your hormone brain keeps telling you to ruin everything around you.
Women: "We keep giving short-term partners what they want and asking more from long-term partners while giving them less of what they want, why do none of the men want to be long-term?!"
spot on
Exactly.
I'm not gonna pay the price of commitment if some other guy got it for free.
Makes me feel like a sucker.
and we give it away for free to Chad/Tyrone but extract high prices from Bob... seems like a good deal for Bob, right?
Incentivizing players, disincentivizing loyal guys, then they wonder why they fail to get commitment. It's because they want players to treat them like the good guys they don't want
@@cardenasr.2898 it's actually a lot simpler. Men are hunters. Women are tamers. Both lose their purpose once they achieve their goal. "good guys" suck at hunting, so they become desperate. "beautiful from the inside" girls don't have bait to tame, so they "settle". I personally am a "FFB" because after the "hunt" is done, i lose interest. I don't want kids and haven't been able to find my "soulmate". When youre 60 you'll both be ugly so unless you have something in common the relationship is just going to be painful. If only more girls had an actual personality instead of sitting on instagram all day...
Women slowly realizing all they have been liberated from is good options.
They traded families, long term happiness, and purpose for a lot of D from men prettier than and with more status who will never love them and will only sleep with them from 18-3x, when they hit the wall.
thats a great point!
The Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him told us to protect women in his famous "Last Sermon."
The Anti-Christ who works for Satan, in the end of times will be targeting women and has been working on it intensively.
Sharia Law is implemented in Afghanistan protecting women from harming themselves, thus truly liberating them. They do not work, are cared for by their men and focus on fostering healthy families. They are truly cared for.
Correct
But
They are having to much fun while young to learn let alone GAFF about this and by the time this reality becomes inexcusablly evident it's to late
@@arthurdirindinjr1792 In my opinion, this is why party girls at 25 become Karen's at 45
My wife started saying dumb sh*t after 10 years of marriage like.
1) you have an anxious attachment personality.
2) i didn't like the truck your drove 6 years ago
3) I never likes the way you eat spaghetti
Can you guess what was going on with her?
you guessed it!
she was cheating and got emotionally connected to another man.... Now I have to be the bad guy
That's despicable. Sorry bro, I hope it gets better for you.
@@AluminiumT6
Hey, Thank you.
we are still going through the divorce, But it should be coming to an end shortly.
Things are a lot better.
I think they all read the same same Universal girl guide book. When they find someone else , instead of telling out right to their current partner. They become so toxic and pitiful so that you can't no longer tolerate them, and when men go their Own way ... We are the bad guys
Is the divorce finalised now? @@joe7665
@@joe7665hope all this shit works out for you brother
Story time: Younger brother and I are trust fund kids. My brother at the time was going through med school when he married his girlfriend. She was nice enough at first. Then about 2-3 months after marriage it's like a switch was flipped. She completely changed. Absolutely a nightmare. Brother couldn't deal with it after a year and filed for divorce. She smashed things, screeched, etc and said she would take him to court and take everything he was worth.
Reverse uno card: Trust funds are NOT marital assets and are more secure than a prenup. My brother technically was a broke college student and she got nothing. It's been a few years and she still sends fake letterheads with made up law offices to both of us demanding payment, or properties, etc. Point is she completely changed after marriage and tried to get our assets. Secure your money in a trust, not a prenup.
Do you know anything more about trusts that people may benefit from? & can I have your twitter to contact you?
Jesus. I can't imagine being so lazy that I would go to any length to steal money that belonged to someone else just bc I wanted it not bc I deserved it
As someone currently setting up multiple trusts for family members, this…seems to be correct and I have no idea why I never thought of this particular application.
Just note that if it ever takes off, the usual suspects in places like CA will ex post facto ruin trusts as hard as they did prenups.
Hey I've heard this one before
@@PALACIO254 yeah is he reposting this to show more ppl or is it a copypasta i wonder
As an economist, I appreciate your application of game theory here. You’re basically describing a multistage game where the more encounters you have, the more stages of the game you play, the more likely you are to develop a dominant strategy of not being loyal.
The sad part is that a closed/limited system would (I believe?) have an equilibrium at L:L
In other words: NLs would be excluded from the local “full” dating pool after establishing enough of a bad rep. This is how things used to work before dating apps
and women have rack up alot of rounds before they turn 18
And how you ultimately end up alone and miserable.. He neglected to mention that part lol
This is pure genius!!! Uses game theory to explain why everyone is becoming avoidant attached.
I'm usually an insecure attached and working towards becoming avoidant. They're the most successful with women too, so that's handy.
100 %@@scottverge938
the best relationship to be in is one where a woman actively sees other women fiending for you, even if she doesnt want you it becomes a concept of not wanting other women to have you and she'll do anything for your time, attention and validation- anything.
@@GreyGrim that’s mostly out of our control
@@scottverge938Really? Seriously? None of the insecure attachment types do well in the long run, and surprise, avoidant is an insecure attachment.
Perhaps what you meant to say is you’re anxious attached? Either way, all you do my moving to the other side is potentially attract the other side of the insecure attachment types. Putting in the hard work to become secure is the only way.
I was married, no divorced, this concept is spot on. Within a month of getting married not only my wife, but her friends basically completely changed into this mode that nothing I did was good enough for her. Non stop giving with no reciprocation. And the bulk of men who I associate with had the same experience. Shortly after getting married suddenly no sex, no attention, everything is wrong, nothing is good enough and so on.
you can thank the divorce laws... she's paid to leave.
Same thing happened to me
Before you give her a ring, protect your assets:
- Get a trust fund for all your assets and make it airtight by putting as many clauses as you can think of that can protect you and your future children. Women don't need to come after your assets straight away in a divorce, they can slowly drain your account by using your children and "general inflation"... And as you make more money the older you get, you are screwed.. Preferably put someone else as the main beneficiary, you need to trust this person to the ends of the Earth.
- Make her sign a prenup before you give her the engagement ring and even before she moves into your apartment. Check your state laws and see what is considered a 'common-law marriage'.
@numskulltheory7133 you also need to lookout for women that want the wedding day but not the marriage. A good amount of women have spent days and days of their lives thinking about their wedding day, who they want there, what music, what food, where it will be, etc... Dating is just a stepping stone for that ultimate goal in their lives. As they haven't planned out, or even thought about being/staying married, when they cannot get that "marriage feeling" from the wedding photos.., It is game over.
I recall hearing this over a decade ago from a pastor and its been proven true time and time again. 'The devil tries to get you to have sex before marriage. That messes up your bond to each other. Then after marriage he tries to keep you from having sex, because that would strengthen the bond.'
The enemy has been very successful, apparently. Forever destroying couples. How many trophies are on his mantle?
As the saying goes: "You can love women, or you can understand them, but you can't do both." Can confirm, because I chose understand.
True
I didn't choose this but I was forced to understand and there was no going back
I attest
The problem is society needs to understand men and women, then structure society around what motivates them.
False narratives of feminism and mgtow both lead to this problem.
Please elaborate
Disney movies really set me up for complete failure when it comes to women. I thought all girls were princesses in middle school lmaooo. Reality hit me like a freight train.
Yeah...
Tbh, Disney movies and the way men are taught about women from their youngest age sets them up for a hell of a wild ride later on in their life.
I would know.
I went through the taught delusion to then the cruel enlightenment.
Not only Disney but fairy tales, the ending is " they got married and lived happily ever after" then also my mother lieing and manipulating me that girls are good and boys are scum.
@@DeadManWalking-ym1oo 28 years ago after my divorce I said that women are a waste of time. I laugh at their TikTok videos claiming how important they are and men must pay for their precious time.
but fuck it was so nice believing in romance? not having all these scars from multiple relationships... man it was a nice time to be sure
@@Lucrei. True its being so innocent, having a pure heart, then that innocence is slowly taken away.
Hoe math is a GENIUS!
Underrated comment👌
yes, contrary to you, brian.
daaaaamn he called you fuckin dumb brian
@@Bloodhoven Show us where Brian hurt you.
@@williamhermann6635 [points at Bloodhoven's ovaries]
She's completely disregarding all the men that have no issues committing. But those are all the guys who aren't crazy successful with women. In other words the guys that are invisible to her.
Also Hoe Math is particularly salty at the end of this one LOL
"Enjoy your liberation" 😆
are you saying the freedom is bad ? what do you want, dictatorship over women? /s
Regardless of the sarcasm, more than enough people would unironically react this way
Yeah that parting shot was RADDDDDDDDD
Guys who have no options would have no issues committing out of desperation, however guys who have options and no issue committing get scopped out of the dating pool pretty quickly by settling into a monogamous relationship, hence why they are the rarest type of guy. Many of those men with no options, if put in the more attractive men's shoes, would reveal that they do prefer to not be loyal, and pretty quickly too.
Every adult male in NA knows at least one - often many - other adult male who's gone through a heart-rending, pocket-emptying, life-destroying divorce.
Having witnessed it, we have no desire to emulate it.
I know several. My first cousin is going through it right now. And his sister (my other first cousin) is taking his ex-wife's side! It's nuts to see.
My divorce cost me $1,500, 000 and took 2.5 years to complete. Tell that to a 27 year old fella and they quickly start re-evaluating marriage in today's society.
I don't even have a wide social circle.... and I mean less than 10 people and I know a few!!
Thank God for alternative media platforms where men can collaborate and share experiences. Young men have the capacity to see how women have treated older men they know in relationships and avoid the train wreck before it ever happens. To me this is simple to explain People respond disproportionately to incentives regardless of any other factor. If you are a decently attractive woman with few employment options it makes sense to use marriage, family court, child support, alimony to build your wealth. You just have to select men very carefully and be everything they want until she has gathered sufficient leverage on you to take you for everything you got. The Longer a relationship goes the less return on investment you get
Can't a prenup fix that?
She literally said that’s understandable if you are extremely good looking or successful, then complain why men won’t commit… We are not making any progress guys 😪
All we can really do is nod our heads, no longer explain ourselves and do what we do. Ironically that'll still make us more attractive.
So, the men that she wants to marry, she understands why they won't marry her, and the men that want to marry her, she doesn't want. Then she wonders why men don't marry. She literally just explained herself why the entire male popuation isn't married.
Shame. Shame is the thing that used to keep society sane. People need to be shamed once in a while. Fat-shaming leads to less people who want to be fat. Slutshaming leads to less people who want to be garden tools. Shaming people for perverse behavior, prevents people from doing perverse things. And on and on. Bring shame and shaming back, or nothing will change.
@@theeclectic2919 There was a comedian in my country in the late 70s or early 80s who wrote a song called "Where is the shame". Saying precisely that. Dude was ahead of his time.
@@theeclectic2919 Shame just make people hide their behaviors , if it can be hidden , unless they believe in retribution after life then yeah, shame is effective.
You do the work of a therapist, in less than five minutes, with humorous scribbly doodles and AT NO COST. You are a treasure.
the no cost part is what he is working on. And he really should. he deserves it.
Damn guy should put up a patreon acount to start.
@@Stallnig He could market an app that generates the wonderful graphics he does to explain things. I'd buy it.
they suck.
This comment simply has not enough likes. (no matter how much is it, when you read this)
as an actual therapist I don't know whether to laugh or take offence at this statement 😂 If only real therapy were so easy, and subjective...
I remember back in the late 2000s and early 2010s being on message boards where guys were all putting their minds together to figure out what the heck women wanted. It was a major struggle and nobody really got it very well.
You have condensed 6000 years of human knowledge in to easily explainable cartoons. Kudos.
The trick is not giving women-as-a-group credit for being self-aware. They really are slaves to their emotions and base needs. The ancients had it right.
He is technically rediscovering the bible In real time
Not gonna lie, I still barely understand it
@@GingerNingerGames read the game theory from a another video you will get it .
@@GingerNingerGames They just want to feel something, all of the time. Feel lonely, hook up, feel arousal. Get in a relationship, feel romantic stuff, then get bored and cheat or start drama to feel something. Peace and stability means they cant be all up in their feels all the time so they attack peace and stability.
Its not that hard to understand, if you just accept that instead of a logical thinking brain and a desire for good outcomes all they have in their head is a monkey clapping two cymbals together.
Been engaged twice. Once to a virgin Church girl and one to a big city stripper. They both stabbed me in the back, lied, cheated, demanded more and more in exchange for nothing. Best relationship I had was a booty call I'd give weed to and NEVER allowed her to stay the night or leave any item at my home. That girl was loyal and loving.
Damn dude, that's quite the life experience. My ex was incredibly loyal for decades. Then she got a taste of attention from other men and that was it.
Wow, I feel like you could write a book about that, church girl to stripper seems like a pretty big swing, but then again knowing the modern church... maybe it isn't.
Almost like when she knows she has your commitment and loyalty generally she will turn vile. But if she always has to work for it, it keeps her sweet. Sucks it has to work that way. But alas that is the way women are in general.
It actually isn't though. When people deny themselves for a cause (loyalty) for prolonged time, they have tendency to reach for the opposite if their ideals fall apart (betrayal). I'm in a 10 year relationship with my gf, but I jokingly (I'm not joking at all) say that if we ever break up I'd go on a cocaine fueled prostitute fuck spree at Thailand. That's because I know what I'm giving up for this relationship, and I don't intend to indulge in these thoughts and vices I have as long as there's something worth building for. However, if that falls apart, I'm under no illusion I'd be able to bond with another woman at that level ever again, so time to "catch up" on all the things I've sacrificed, if you will.@@Lemurman42
This experience is so common, it's sickening. I think most of us will be headed towards the booty call eventually. Everything else is just so full of shit. Dogma, abuse, cheating, gaslighting, divorce. Enough is enough. Either act like you say you will, or don't stay around me. None of this holier than thou hoe shit.
this is the most on point explaination as to why society is plunging into childlessness and why relationships don't last for shit. have watched most of my male friends get cheated on and dumped sometimsin multi decade relationships by women who seemed to be normal and healthy. I'm single and 38 and I doubt I'll ever even find someone to be with now because all of the loyal women are taken and the young loyal women that exist now are not looking to date a man almost old enough to be their father. this explains why men in western nations look to other countries for women now. everything is ruined
44. I never had a real relationship. Women never liked me and I felt like a piece of shit my whole life and now here I am.
You don't need to move out to another country, just go anywhere other than California.
@@danielhuelsman76 you should probably say the big cities. Or anywhere close to a university. It’s not just California.
I mean, if you're 38 and filthy rich there would be truckloads of women throwing themselves at you. But beign rich nowadays is almost as dificult as pulling normal girls, so i really just described the best case scenario
@@danielhuelsman76Well thats just plain wrong. I've lived all over America and no one place is any worse when it comes to selfish shallow women.
Being good is like putting yourself in a mexican stand off. Finally somebody put it to words.
Yes. The problem is that women don't respect "good". And if they do respect "good" they only feel that respect when the "good" man walks away.
@@chipsteve They like it when chad is good to them. If a normal guy is good to them they treat it as the bare minimum that is obviusly a given.
@@georgev8590 yes but if Chad commits that is viewed by almost everyone as "the right thing to do" & but oh ya she starts losing attraction
Guess I have to get ready for a mexican standoff.
I don't think (some) women can ever grasp how disgusting their behavior is to normal people, and how no one would ever view them as anything as disposable. Once you get past a point in your life, you stop having interest in them.
They can’t grasp how the behavior seems to normal people because those normal people you’re referencing are men, and women don’t view men as people at all.
Dont ever use the word disgusting when describing women. women KNOW who LOVE women, and they do great unexpected things for such men and you'll always wonder why it happens for other men and not you. Women are yummy and can be disappointing.
When you said
“Going from 1 to 4 is a hell of an experience ”. It hit me like a ton of bricks.
Been there, and it changed me as a person, forever.
I've come to a point that it just isn't really worth it to me to be involved with women. I understand them enough that I can't come up with a reason why I want to be around them anymore. And I use understand loosely. The only thing I know thats consistently true about women is that I can't rely on them to stay consistent. It's not even that I don't find any enjoyment in women. When things are agreeable, there's no other company I would enjoy more.
There was a saying that went around a very popular "Manosphere" website. "She's not yours. It's just your turn." This about sums up my experience.
A note on the Nash Equilibrium: what you showed is straight up from the Prisoner's dilemma, but what you left out is that if we do repeated games of this dilemma, the choice to "cooperate" (or in this case, be loyal) becomes the rational move, because when you "defect" (are disloyal), others take note and will not want to cooperate, whereas if you cooperate, others will want to cooperate.
So, the solution is to shame infidelity and fuckboys/hoes, and to celebrate loyalty.
Isnt that only with the same set of players tho? If you change one of the players then you're starting at game 0 and it plays out from there.
In a small community of 10-20 people - yes, others do take note.
However, it doesn't work in the modern-day urbanized society, because that society is too big and atomized to be influenced by one individual's decisions
That is really not a solution at all, unless you happen to own TikTok and Instagram.
We just haven't gotten back to the "collaborate" place yet. We're still living through the ripples of the 60's changes. Ripples driven mostly by a lack of ethics in business and industry. There's money to be made on division. Hell, this channel is making money off of division even though it's trying to ease that division.
That's exactly what he said: we need socially and legally enforced monogamy.
00:45 I had that exact revelation from 18-20.
I hit puberty late, but hit 6 ft in a massive growth spurt end of senior year. After high school I became a lifeguard and partied pretty hard.
The difference in the way women saw me at that point was so tremendously stark, it blew me away.
Me too, I grew up on water frontage, so I was rowing boats from a young age which made me very muscular. Shooting up to six foot with muscles was definitely an eye opener.
I've always looked much younger than I am as well.
I've seen the worst of female behaviour, it's one the reason I've never married. Milk's free, I don't want or need the cow!
Write damn book! The young men need to know!
@@jimmyjames7667 could you elaborate? I am above average but never that "instantly attractive" guy, I want to know what they do.
@@StarboyXL9 lol thanks, but, I don't think my life has been quite interesting enough to sell a book.
@@LeventButSpeedrunning My first long term relationship went for four years. From when I was 18 to 22, all but one of her so called friends tried to sleep with me. I was loyal and said no to some very attractive young ladies. The relationship ended when she cheated.
Relationship two went for 5 years, from 22 to 27. She was crazy jealous, always accusing me of being a player. I wasn't, I was still loyal. Turns out her jealousy was just projection, she thought I was getting away with what she actually was doing.
It's at this time I decided that I wasn't going to rush into anything, and also had a biaches ain't loyal attitude.
This is when I discovered that women love an unavailable arsehole. I didn't lie or cheat, I'd tell them straight that didn't want a relationship and i was seeing multiple women. To my surprise it attracted them more. I went from having only slept with the two girlfriends and three others by twenty seven, to over thirty before I turned thirty. I had, and have standards. I wouldn't sleep with married or girls that were in relationships, but I did both because they lied. I found out after the act that they had boyfriends, or were married.
One night out I met a attractive petite brunette, while I was talking to her two girls that I had slept with came over and were basically trying to get me to go home with them (not together)
When the little brunette witnessed these two fighting over me she reached around and gave my arse a squeeze to silently let me know she wanted me. She later told me that seeing those girls fight over me was very attractive. She was one of the very rare honest ones, I learnt a lot from her.
So many stories, I could write here all day!
Women are master manipulators, and they do it with sociopathic ese.
I've been single for 3 years now and don't suspect any prospects for a life partner to appear anytime soon. Your videos are absolutely genius and the way you explain all these insane modern phenomenon has helped me and many others make sense of it all. Thank you! Keep up the good work.
Ive been single for 23 and I will never give up hope.
As a 6ft5 unmarried Chad in his early 30s, this video is spot on. Not only have my personal, anecdotal experiences led me to pursue only casual relationships, my friends and their bad experiences (and divorces) have as well.
Hoe-Math literally never misses.
6'0 200lbs (muscle) unmarried 39yo tyrone here. Same experience. The current culture disincentives family formation - every aspect of American dating culture makes it difficult - from the high cost of child rearing to women's sexual liberation , to social media destroying everyone's brains we are now living in a postmodern hellscape
Calling yourself "Tyrone" is pretty funny.
7ft 400lbs lean muscle only (with a 12-pack and a jawline like Robert Pattinson) unmarried 32yo multi-billionaire here. I can confirm it is really difficult to find a good woman, and switch gears to long-term mating
@@bobonaqa 7ft' 1" 401 pounds Gigachad here.... Idk im just braggind
As a male Hyena, I can confirm
I don't agree. I mean I agree with the whole cheating blurb 100% but I think the main reason men don't want to commit was the first part of the video you lightly touched on; what happens when we commit. For some women, it's like they instantly activate their "horrible women" matrix and run it all full cylinders all hours now that there is ZERO consequence to acting like a horrible person . They can nag, be overbearing, be overly demanding, move the goalposts, withdraw sex, punish you for your actions, punish you for their actions, spend your money, emotionally manipulate and/or shame you into getting their way, and most importantly of all threaten divorce and financial ruin when the upper hand on finances (and the ability to walk away and find another woman) was basically the only upper hand we had before we got married. Now we have zero bargaining power within marriages because all our bargaining chips are locked behind the marriage contract, and she never had any bargaining chips beyond her youth and sex, and since I can't access those things outside our contract, she has zero incentive to uphold her end of the contract, and she has nothing to lose in acting like a horrible person. Like what am I going to do, not go to work? Not pay the mortgage? So really the only benefit left in marriage is having kids with someone. But now since women are starting to not even want kids (seriously have you SEEN the crazy child free movement online) THAT's no longer becoming a women's negotiation want, they're trying and make that a man's negotiation want to FURTHER bury us in an utterly unbearably unfair deal - "if you want me to ruin my body for your kids, you better pay up" is the new femcel saying. Women have zero dread in their lives keeping their own psyches in check - which isn't to say men would be any better if they had zero dread in their lives, I think humans can't handle perfect freedom and total power - most people need to be in reciprocal fair trading games with the people around them to stay sane and selfless. Right now in our feminist utopic society it's the women with total unfettered freedom to do whatever they want, descend to the lowest depths of their own psyche without anything to buffet their insanity, all the while men face the consequences of everybody else's self-absorbed actions. Anyway Hoe_math keep up the great work, feel free to reuse any of this because they're just ideas, and ideas are for everyone to share.
Very well said.
Watch the video again
He said "we cant tell you apart", and "enjoy the sexual revolution", which i think refer pretty well to what you are describing/experiencing
I believe the "man bad" part on the Levels of thinking video has something to do with this behavior. I believe we're being influenced to hate each other. Women were the easiest target, as in Adam and Eve's story.
Some women aren't aware of their real flaws and they're afraid to truly explore themselves and see themselves as anything but perfect so they put up a circus of distractions to stop you from seeing their flaws and real shortcomings before they get a chance to.
They'll get you pissed at other things before you can get pissed at the real things.
Sometimes if they're sort of self aware, what they perceive as flaws aren't even that... They're just insecurities. They frick up the relationship and appear like the bigger badder wolf because of insecurities.
It's better for you to be with someone who has truly self reflected over their life, someone self aware enough to share real vulnerabilities about past or present mistakes.
I'm talking about mistakes cause that's where the strongest ego is at for any human being.
Not girls who are like
'omg, I'm soooo not pretty, stop calling me that omg'
Just so that you can get to call them pretty.
My point is that they put up fake vulnerabilities so that you can attach to those and think it's something that bothers them when in reality, there's something real locked away somewhere.
Get you a woman who is comfortable in her own skin and in her own mind whether she looks like Kim k or Jarjar even though they both look the same these days.
I say comfortable in their own mind because like I said earlier, all that unnecessary and unreasonable fighting is just noise for you and for both of you to avoid going into her head or into the real issues.
A man always has the upper hand even in marriage, sign a prenup and if she doesn't want to sign one, I guarantee you'll find someone that will.
Don't be afraid to demand respect the moment a woman does something that you do not like even while dating, I know the hunt for coochie is real but you have to be okay letting go.
The worst that could happen is that she leaves when you tell her you do not like something she did or said.
And if she leaves then She doesn't respect boundaries anyway.
What you do not want is to enable her.
Because those same actions or inactions you enabled will come up X10 later on in the relationship.
Also, if she can't reasonably communicate why she's doing or not doing that thing, you're dating and or have married a child. That's a whole other journey trying to get her to speak up, let alone tell the truth about stuff...
you can willingly go on with it's highs and lows or just leave and let her grow up on her own.
It happens. Sometimes men and women need to grow up as grown ups. Let's normalize that.
Just ended a 2 year relationship with the woman I thought I’d marry.
I no longer plan to settle down. My life is improving too much for the work I’ve put in just to throw it away on a relationship that could fail.
I feel for you, man. At least it wasn't a 10 year relationship like mine that ended a few months ago (not trying to downplay your hurt btw).
I'm still holding out faith that there are still some good ones out there. I'm hoping there's a chance for the both of us. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
@@TheHamburgler123 the relationship I had ended gracefully. For what pain there was - I’m sure it has mostly gone by.
I do hope yours wasn’t crippling and intense as well. But yes indeed, I’ll be rooting for you as well. Especially since from the sounds of it you have faith.
@PossiblyAzrael best wishes to you bro. I know it hurts.
@TheHamburgler123 How do you have faith? Teach me?
Sorry to hear that, brother. So many of us have gone down a similar road and have come to the same conclusion. They just aren't worth the investment.
I wish you the best bro
The fact she mentioned it being in the birth canal is that she thinks, for some reason, men never want to settle down, despite it being really fucking common until the past half century, roughly...
Women generally set the tone of a relationship, which is why most divorces are initiated by women.
and the tone is... to quote a classic Pantera song "fuckin' hostile!"
they can't connect their liberation to the nosedive of quality relationships because they have no introspection
@@thetayz72 That’s because they are mentally children who didn’t have to face the consequences of their actions because they can’t handle it. In the past we decided they were worth protecting and part of that protection was that they didn’t get to make much in the way of choices for themselves. Now they’re able to make choices and not be accountable, it’s not shocking that society is collapsing.
My dad was a pediatrician. He was a great man, who made damn good money, and gave everything to my mother. What I saw for decades is that he could never do anything right in her eyes and she made his life miserable for 58 years. He died unappreciated, trying to make her happy. Now she wants me to take his place as the person she gets to beat up.
Two distinct events made me lose respect for women. First was like hoe math said. When i got muscles and a six pack. Second and the most eye opening, was the first time a woman called her boyfriend while she was laying in bed with me about to get smashed. Instantly my whole life replayed in my head. I started thinking back to every time any of my exes called me and told me she was going to bed early 🤦♂️
So you shouldn't of smashed idiot should of walked away
crazy experience
That's terrible. Why do they do this to us?
cause there are no consequences @@Mayhzon
I had the same experience. I got in shape and gained confidence, could basically treat a number of girls like a used condom and they kept coming back for more. I have never intentionally smashed a girl if I knew she was in a relationship tho. Pretty shitty and devious for a dude imo.
I saw what happened to women and men after marriage. I also saw my mom call the shots my whole life and decided I could something different than what everyone else does.
women call the shots because men are literally known to be apathetic and incompetent as husbands and fathers , it's a stereotype for a reason. I've seen hundreds of married women say that.
Hoe_M is reading my male heart that have turned to ice due the described experiences.
imagine blaming other people for becoming an asshole
That is the aim of Satan. To make Humans heartless. Read the last Sermon of the Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him where he stresses to take care of women. Modern day society has been corrupted by Satan's demons working for the Anti-Christ to dehumanize us. Afghanistan under the Taliban is a beacon of hope for humanity. The Islamic way of life with Sharia where all guard rails are in place protecting women from themselves, will prosper and rule the world through hearts and minds.
I can't describe this feeling, it's like losing a loved one. The more I understand the more grief I feel for what I once loved. They're all the same... they are actually ALL the same and it just hurts...
Thanks for making these videos and always explaining things so concise and clearly.
It's friggen depressing, bro.
@@justvid366 They're all the same in the US and UK. If the only way to find a normal woman is to leave your home country, then "they're all the same" is a perfectly reasonable and accurate position.
@@justvid366lmao yeah....then why is it when you bring them over they adapt the culture? Yes its the culture that does it, but it is innate, and it will almost always present itself given the opportunity.
Why do you think the phrase "if you find a woman over seas never bring her back here." is a thing?
It isn't because other women are fundamentally different.
@@Blackraptor1234The hive mind is real, and hypergamy is universal.
@@justvid366 I live on the other side of the world from America, in Eastern Europe, and I can confirm that they are, indeed, all the same. Everything hoe_math says applies to a t.
This channel has single handedly explained every problem i have with women
Hello!
Wanted to mention something I disagree with about the game theory diagram
As a good gal myself I'd say for me it's;
1: both loyal
2: he's disloyal but I'm loyal
3: we're both disloyal
4: he's loyal but I'm disloyal
Personally, I'd much rather be cheated on than cheat.
I understand how heartbreaking it is to discover the person you loved betrayed you in a horrid way.
But I think it's better to console yourself by realising you're the more valuable person here, than to become bitter and stoop to their level.
I've had my heartbroken so badly I didn't feel normal for years.
I became cynical
I wondered why I'd even want a healthy commitment.
I stayed in a sunken place but eventually I realised that those who did me wrong are long gone and irrelevant.
It's *me* I have to live with.
So I never regretted sticking to my values❤
As for my story, over time I learned to hone and trust my intuition, and I found a lovely man, who I trust 100% would never betray me.
But you know what's funny?
Even if he did, I'm ready for it.
I'd take my time, pick myself back up, try to maybe see what signs I missed, and honestly even if I can't figure it out, I'd be happy to be single.
Me, my loyal self, and I.
Remain good. It's so hard to after so much pain.
I agree with this. I feel the pull of trying to "see multiple people" but I know that doing so means the disloyal people win.
My rankings are the same! As you heal, you realize other people’s actions literally have nothing to do with you. How people speak, think and behave is a reflection of what’s going on with them, and them alone. Staying loyal is a reflection of you!
The game theory diagram values he used in the video reflect general population decision making. Of course there are good people like you who have better morals and values. The thing is in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter because good people are a minority. General societal trends are always set by majority with the exception of very powerful minorities like the elites.
That's also the reason why propaganda should be emotional not logical. Because propaganda needs to convince the emotional masses not the minority of intellectuals. The masses decide what will happen. Not the minorities.
But in reality, how many men are ACTUALLY even able to "not be loyal and see other people"? This is really only a reality for women, they have endless options whereas the average man has nothing. Women are the ones that can have actually what will be good for them, but they actively choose to throw that away for gratification whereas men would be lucky if they could even have a loyal partner at all.
top 10 to 15% of men have that option, and those are the ones ALL the women want. Everyone else is invisible.
What the avg guy can do, and is generally doing now is saying "F this I won't play"
They may not be the guys the women wanted first, but it is tilting more and more, that women can't find the capt save a hoe waiting to help her at the end.
That's why the game theory only applies to those who choose to stay in the game.
If you're someone without options and get no luck at all with the ladies, you aren't even IN the game, so your choices don't matter.
Tldr: if you're in the "Not Human" zone of attractiveness, you don't count.
@@TPixelAdventuresThere is an advantage to this that no one is talking about. Play the game with someone else who has not played the game. Meaning virgin men MUST seek out virgin women if they want a high chance for success. This is the only solution and no one besides myself is talking about this. Some statistics show that couples that married when they were virgins have higher chances of success with their marriages. Add strict religion or community into the equation and you have a legitimate game plan.
Once passport bros ends and the following conditions are met:
A: Finding virgin women in Southeast Asia becomes impossible
B: Most of the world becomes westernized
You will see men flocking to Islam or other cultures that will benefit them - which in turn will be for better or worse as far as the women are concerned.
Women are destroying the West but there are some playboy low value passport bros ruining good loyal womwn in Southeast Asia for example. Young men need to prioritize finding a girl from what I described ASAP before it becomes to late....
But just because its not the case for the majority of men, it doesnt mean they are morally better, it just means they dont have options to not be. Those super slutty women have to sleep with someone, guess who that is? Successful men. If you made the analysys on how faithful are men who are attractive, tall, intelligent and successful, you would find out that not that much. Sure, there are hot top tier men, who are faithful to their women and they are the real virtuous kings. But if you wish that you had this one good woman for you that you would be faithful to you and no women want you, youre not virtuous, youre just a loser.
I'm going to stay loyal even if it means I'm single or hurt forever. Someone has to start making sacrifices. All its doing is boosting my self image and confidence to stand up to a broken society. My family name means sacrifice and quest for salvation. Saffron colored one.
Right on, brother. I refuse to be a bad actor in a degrading dating scene.
Count me in. I suffer from the disregard of women but giving in to their instincts by becoming a six-pack retard honestly feels like an even bleaker perspective.
If I get their attention this way, would that attention honestly be worth a damn? It would feel like struggling to put on a persona you know full well isn't yours, for that persona to be liked, instead of you. Instead of being loved more for how you genuinely are, live and express yourself.
That wouldn't feel like love. It would feel shallow. A waste of energy and life.
Saffron-coloured robes are the truly long-term perspective. It's way beyond most people, but I'm trying in my mind. You will go a long way with a correct understanding of renunciation, compassion and the wisdom to see everything is empty of inherent existence.
I don't think I can go another fourth relationship of being loyal to just have it blow up in my face again. I almost died with the last one and each one hurts more. I have to become de-tatched and at that point, what's the point? I don't want that loveless life
You do you. I wish I had your faith, but I'm too dead on the inside and too pragmatic to be burnt. I'd rather let this all burn and then when people are forced to act properly, thens the time to choose to be loyal/cooperate
This Channel is like having an actually interesting instructor for my Social Science Masters level classes.
100% on point. I've been experiencing and thinking about this exact concept since 30 years ago. It's great that someone like you has come along who can articulate it so well.
"Are you reelin in the years?"
"After all the things we done and seen, you find another man,
The things you think are useless, i can't understand"
Steely Dan
Chicks are only talking about the Chads. Yes, Chad isn't loyal. Newsflash.
@@michaelsanchez8457 it's amazing how we get this, and we get this about super hot women in particular. But women just don't seem to understand that a lot of men, esp Chad, just want to sleep with them ...nothing more.
I feel like our society had this down just a couple decades ago... Only to be totally forgotten now.
to settle down, one needs something worth settling down for.
TFM would say it best: AWALT- ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT
When you can't tell women apart, assume the worse and more than likely, they're all doing the same thing.
Also : "She will never love you".
My first girlfriend changed me from bad boy, to very bad boy, and ever since, I've found it incredibly difficult to take anything women and girls say seriously, let alone trust them.
You just summarized my dating history in 4 1/2 minutes. I'm so glad the algorithm pointed me your way this week, I've been binging for three days now. You are sharing so much beneficial information that took me over a decade to accumulate. You are doing young people a great service by sharing this
This, Zones, and the one about why men are checking out of the dating market are my top 3 favorite videos on this channel. Well done
Zones is permanently in my brain. Now anytime I see any relationship in a movie, tv, real life, news article, Im thinking "I wonder what zone she saw him in." or "She cheated bc he was too nice and wanted someone in the bad boy zone." We've got the They Live glasses for women lol
@@mstrikesback168 Your last sentence exactly sums up my experience. Whether it's a social interaction, text, social media post, song, etc., every time a woman speaks, the Zones map overlays my vision like I'm putting on those sunglasses and I can connect the dots on what women are saying. It's like a cheat item.
Haha... My favorite sketch of yours so far is the guy pouring attention down her throat- I laughed out loud as my past self can relate- oh man that was an awesome visual.
Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? (Why would men want to marry- the risk outweighs the reward significantly)
I know tons of married couples, from friends, acquaintances, neighbors to clients... I can only count on one had the happily married couples. Maybe 5 or 10% of the people I know. The rest are absolutely miserable, most of the males have died a slow death by a 1000 paper cuts and are now so beta/submissive I hardly recognize them. No thanks.
I bounced on my last relationship when she took zero accountability for anything, at all, and when I wasn't appreciated. I've never been so stress-free, happy and focused as now. It's been a couple years of choosing single-life- it's been better than I expected. (Although that seems to piss women off- I'm not committing/marrying by choice)
family court turns alphas into betas... cheaper to keep her
The mistake in the first place is thinking that stuffing down attention onto someone's throat will get you anywhere. Sick world we have there and it's from both sides. It's smart to stay away from those people but what I think is wrong is to blame it all on women which happens here a lot. I'm sure all of yall are the best most willing to face your emotions and depths of your Psyche and so on and furth and non of the alpha aggressors which has the capacity of a teaspoon. Very sure about that! True understanding and compassions is not found here only getting the milk like it wouldn't be something bad in the first place! Morally under the table but do it anyways how you wish Dude. Monching together or watching insects is too mainstream for yall porn addicts who don't know anything about life at all how it seems. Blabla women matrix bla milk from them the fuck is that
@@halimalama Who cares what an OF performer has to say?
I know a few married couples, all miserable, but the vast majority of the older men i know are divorced and literally tell me not to bother with women past casual bedroom fun time.
of course im going to listen if literally every role model i have tells me the exact same thing and has the experience to back it up.
Even when you find loyalty, they'll be some other crazy bs, dated woman for 6mo then she started ragging, got mad I put one dish a my sink in my house, later accused me of doing it on purpose to bother her. Final straw for me, back to single, maybe for good
"on purpose to bother her"
Good god, if I hear that from a woman I chose to date, we are going to both single very fast.
I had more than enough of that bs from people I didn't choose in my life.
@@georgev8590 exactly, we were out at seeing a small band with her friends, out of nowhere she comes up to me and says "I know you put that dish in the sink on purpose" and I basically said I know you have uber but would you like me to get you one bc I'm out of here. Paid off the bar bill that she ran up on expensive tequila, left her there and that was that
Know your worth.
The only thing that didn't belong in your house is her.
Never be afraid to tell her that.
And don't be afraid of the cops either, restraining orders never stopped anyone before.
It's always something. And when there is nothing, women will make up something.
I'm 60. I've never been married. Any woman around my age that's been married (perhaps multiple times) is going to be dragging a lot of baggage. On rare occasions, their experience mellow their expectations and attitude about relationships; they go with the flow. On the other hand, many will still expect (driven by bad relationships and their unrealistic demands and expectations) a long list of things that HAVE to be their way, and an overestimation of what they bring to the relationship. Why would I want to get involved with that? Being alone is not a big deal for me. It's certainly better than having to atone and answer to someone for every problem, and hurt, and lack of satisfaction from their past partners. It's not my fault those guy's hurt you. Don't assume you can take it out on me. It's not my job, champion.
This is the first genuinely genius and novel thing you’ve done… I actually haven’t seen anyone else explain that hookup culture is the result of a new Nash equilibrium created by the incentive shift lol. You can take it one step further by incorporating mixed strategy equilibria (I.e. being “bad” sometimes and “good” some fraction of the time) to better describe reality
Getting married is like buying a new car. You've already lost half the value before you leave the lot.
It's worse because at least with a car there's a cap to how much your going to lose. Family court judges will sometimes set ridiculous payments based solely on unrealized earnings or put another way possible future earnings. The amount of discretion a family court judge has is astounding and scary
Very mature of you objectifying that way, I'm sure it will get you far in life
If/when you mature, you'll develop tools for saying what you mean, and won't have to rely on sarcasm to communicate.@@halimalama
But more likely than not you aee buying a used car with 10+ previous owners
@@halimalama And yet you'll objectify every man you encounter as if they're a walking wallet. You have no argument.
54 yrs old, single and celibate since 2014. No plans to change, but open to random chance. House paid for, both cars paid for, one lovely kitty-cat for company, no complaints about how many guns I own...
I win.
@@hyperadapted presumably a comfortable retirement where he can enjoy all his free time pursuing his hobbies and such. Maybe do some volunteering for a noble cause.
Welcome brother!
Holy shit how do u stay celibate for so long?!
Is your goal rn getting a girl?
@@Cutiejuliya Jerk off every couple days, it keeps the stupid second head from making bad decisions for you. More often if you've got a high libido. First thing I do every morning before I shower and I haven't made a sex-related choice I regret in years. Celibate since 2011.
For one, the definition of “loyalty” to men & women is different.
Not only this, when surveyed, women said loyalty was the least important trait for her ideal man to have with her, alongside “kindness” and “intelligence”.
Not kidding - THESE ARE LITERALLY THE THREE THINGS WOMEN OUTWARDLY TELL MEN THAT THEY CARE ABOUT THE MOST.
Women will subconsciously tell men the opposite of how they actually feel as a means of obtaining power over men. I’m convinced of this altogether after listening to women continually say the opposite of what their behavior is. It’s literally them lying or them not knowing what they actually want and coincidentally believing the OPPOSITE of what is true about their nature. Either way, trusting that particular gender is ill-advised.
When we are operating in a fake reality, they are able to move about and do whatever they please without objection and without the notice of others (men).
Our government and media does the SAME EXACT THING when they want us to focus on the lie in their right hand while they do this heinous act in their left hand.
Hiding the truth from large swaths of society enables the information broker to control people based on what information is brokered to them.
That’s why women hate the viral nature of the RPP.
Thanks for that reminder of what women want from their ideal man. If I remember correctly, they do want all of those things but they fall dead last in all the different qualities they want in a man. Those are just bonuses if they can get them.
got a link to the study / research for "loyalty was the least important trait for her ideal man"?
This could be a video in and of itself!
@@kap4020 Look up the video
TUA #82 - What Do Women Want? HINT, It's not kindness, loyalty or intelligence
Rich Cooper talks about it.
The study is called.
Attractive Women Want it All: Good Genes, Economic Investment, Parenting
Proclivities, and Emotional Commitment
It's linked in the description of the above video.
Another take on the study is
WOMEN want it ALL: study reveals what women want
From PsyChacks
@@kap4020 if I remember correctly, Alexander Grace made a video about this study some time ago. I will try to find it, but it will take some time
All kidding aside, you're brilliant work could make a huge difference in society. Good job my man
What you're describing here is pretty much what happened to me in my last relationship. I met someone that I felt had long term potential, so I called all my casual hook ups, told them I was in a relationship, and broke things off. I thought this would be a gesture of my loyalty to her, so she would know I was serious. Well she didn't end up cheating, but I did find out she was secretly maintaining social connections with all her past hook-ups as sort of a backup plan. She kept a lot of secrets and I felt like such a fucking sucker for breaking off all my connections, I'll never do that again. Girls of gen Z and below are totally untrustworthy and proud of it.
Wow! Did we date the same girl?! Literally what I did with my "Loyal long term potential" girl! 7 years ago today! Ended things 2 years ago after finding out she was seeing other people behind my back.
You accurately played out my experience over 20 years dating, married, divorced, rebounding, and almost ready to give up. But your videos somehow give me hope...
I suggest leaving the country if you still want a chance of finding a partner. Not going to find it in western society.
If you don't mind me asking, how long did you know your ex before asking her to marry you? And how long did you two stay together?
@TheHamburgler123 In the old days there was no need for knowing someone for years before marriage. Of course that was before hookup culture.
The goal for men is to get to the Prince Charming Zone (which should be called the King Zone)
when you're there, the woman will be the submissive queen. Just make sure you stay in that zone and you've won the game. Getting there is tricky, but possible.
@mstrikesback168 Feel free to play all those games with no guarantee payoff at the end. The rest of men are seeing things for what they are and are opting out.
One of your best breakdowns of a current dating marketplace mindset! Please draw a waffle with melty butter and syrup please.
Amazing video and great depiction of the strategic interaction/learning process. I used to teach strategic interactions/game theory at Uni. If I still did then I’d steal this example in a heartbeat.
Two notes:
1) Game theory is usually depicted where higher numbers is better.
2) there are a bunch of ways you could expand the model to have signals and other things that might let you end up at the loyal/loyal outcome over time but that would be way more complex and not really be about early stage dating that starts off at not loyal/not loyal for the reasons you depicted.
"Nobody can improve their position by being loyal."
Once a woman turns nasty, she seems to be in competition to screw a guy over before she can get screwed over.
She can only respect a man who is either immune to her deception or just as ruthless as she is.
She respects men who she finds attractive who have NOT committed to her. Very simple.
@@chipsteve What an absolutely brain dead fallacy.
@@Lucrei. Except it is true. They say one thing but do another. They would rather be a number in Chad's harem living a life of luxury than be a poor, modest farm wife.
@@OriginalBongoliath I didn't say it's wrong. Just that's its paradoxical thinking
Exactly. There is no social contract anymore. I am not saying cheating wasn’t happening back in the day, it’s just that everyone agreed that promiscuity and adultery were bad. Hence the people involved always had to stay loyal defacto. But since the sexual revolution, the contract is broken and no accountability is asked from society. So why would you stay in a deal where you get nothing?
When men openly say what would encourage us to get married, women don't want to listen or shame men's standards. The list is something like this:
-Low body count or virgin
-Pretty and in shape and not old
-Feminine caring character, not argumentative
-Prioritizes family over personal job/ambitions
-Doesn't believe in divorce or woke rubbish
-Loyal
-Has sex regularly with the partner, and likes him deeply
-Doesn't seek the attention of other men in person or with social media
-Shares a common vision for the family and doesn't waste money to avoid "boredom"
I guarantee you that a girl like this would get FLOODED with marriage proposals. The issue is that they want marriage proposals, while still behaving however they want, even if it's repulsive to men, because "no man can tell me what to do" etc... Can't have it both ways. Listen to the customer or don't close the sale.
In Afghanistan under Sharia Law this is forcefully implemented and that whole list is a defacto given. In Muslim communities in the West, it exists up to a certain extent but the laws are accessible to those women too and thus they are open to corruption.
I need to save this list and remind myself of it every time I want to pursue a woman
i’m exactly like this and i never got dating proposal not even talking about marriage. your guarantees are all lies
men want what is easier to get. they don’t want to wait till the girl will trust them enough to have sex. it’s too much for y’all
@@софія-ю7ы The fact that you come out guns blazing to be argumentative with someone on the internet already tells me that you're not like this.
The "it’s too much for y’all", is shaming language aimed at belittling men, so no, you're not like that in the slightest. The fact that you didn't even get "dating" proposals, tells me that you might also be inflating the value of your looks. Even an argumentative girl would get dating proposals from guys who want to have casual sex if she's pretty.
If men want what's "easier to get", they would be marrying 1/10, 2/10, 3/10, and older 30-40 50-year-old single moms.....but they don't.
@@софія-ю7ы im just not good at getting to know people, its complicated. ur right for msot probably but a lot also like me, so they get misjudged, probably
This is funny! I was gonna write a parody math comic book about game theory and dating because I'm obsessed with game theory and power structures lately. But you got most of what I was gonna write. I was gonna ultimately show that modern dating with romantic ideals is a pursuit of a masochist haha
NICE! You're really inspiring me in my mid 30s to think again about this whole mess we're living in. And funny thing is, I wrote just yesterday under another short video of yours about my own theory on how bad the Sexual Revolution deteriorated our societies and drew a comparison on the status-quo of the Old Testament era with regulated polygyny. I think that idea brew inside me for a long time but your takes are a really good catalyst for sure! Thanks mate
That "loyalty" graph is impressive. It about says it all.
I unironically have gotten more misogynistic as I have dated more women lmao. It's so common to find them with a life in complete disarray, and tons of negative behaviors and unprocessed baggage.
A misogynist would be somebody who hated women, not the negative behaviors of women nowadays. Look at nuns, a beautiful example of femininity
I look forward to meeting Christ. These times are dark.
Same bro ☦️
The deification of Christ is a provable scam. The died 3 days, born a virgin, ressurected story is a pagan sun myth that has been telling the story of the winter solstice for thousands of years prior to a fiesty jew getting killed for inciting a roman rebellion. I hope you find the salvation you are looking for. You won't find it anywhere outside of yourself.
I think you mean the Aliens
That implies him currently chilling in his comfy heaven watching us mere mortals suffer. I would not put my trust on a dude like him.
Same. It's all so tiresome.
personally it's the annoying constant venting, constantly talking about uninteresting daily events and the bouts of crazy accusations, arguments that she makes a big deal out of when it's really nothing. like it's always something that's gonna be a major annoyance factor.
honestly i applaud the men that can tune this shit out, i've never been able to.
Definitely impressed by both the game theory and the ease with you explained it.
You had me up until the very end. Cheaters are still gonna cheat, no matter what the law and culture says. And a government enforcing that is wildly overreaching what a government should do.
Personally, I have never experienced girls worth a damn. My mom and my sister are both doing it right, so I have concluded that it's largely an upbringing issue. Moreover, neither my mom nor my sister had any 'experiences' before marriage, which again is part of upbringing.
My younger sister married her husband and, ten years later, they are still doing great. Sometimes she nags, he comes and tells me about it (we're good friends now), and I have consistently told him that he can just bring it up to her. My sister sees he's upset by how she is treating him and, because she loves him, she adjusts her behavior when possible. Her husband accommodates some things, but ultimately they both reach an amicable agreement. My sister went thru a brief period of eternally complaining and monopolizing his time, which was stressing him out beyond reason. I actually intervened that time (I try not to) and she realized that he was quite angry with her. Losing him was probably the worst outcome she could think of, and today she encourages him to take time away from their kiddo. Sometimes she has to argue with him into taking a two day weekend, because she sees he's stressed about stuff.
On the flip side, my brother in law makes time for her. He knows that women crave attention, so he gives her plenty of it when it is appropriate. I have no desire to know about their... err... private time... but it's probably great because he'd for sure let on that things were failing in that department.
For my part, I have been in the top left of that grid my whole life and I struggle to even participate any more. I can't not be loyal, it's not something I am capable of for some reason, even though I would really like to just give in. So I get serious with a girl, she gets serious, we go on dates, and then she starts getting weird. In my early 20s I was befuddled by these periods of strife. Invariably, we would break up and I would blame myself. The girl would be going out with another guy within a few days and I would spend weeks or months trying to fix my broken heart and meet somebody else to start all over again. Today, in my mid 30s, I see her getting distant or cruel and I know what's up: she has found another guy that she likes better and she is trying to push me away so she doesn't have to be the bad guy. I always call it out.
Me: "I can see you aren't interested anymore, so I guess we're breaking up now?"
Her: "What? No! I'm just going through [fake crisis] right now."
M: "Okay, sure."
[Time passes, many arguments]
H: "I am breaking up with you."
M: "Huh, didn't see that coming."
H: "I just feel like [some bullshit words] and it's time we went our separate ways."
M: "Right, well I know you're probably talking to some other guy."
H: "No! I would never do that!"
M: "I'll totally believe that if you go single for more than three months."
H: [offended] "Why are you being such a jerk! This is why we're breaking up!"
[Is single for four days]
This is the basic formula for how it goes. And they always use words of feeling and emotion when they're being mean, because feelings are more valid than reality so it justifies being mean.
I hate this game so much. All I want is a loyal wife and some kids. Time is passing and I get older and this seems to be impossible. I fucking hate the behavior of modern women.
People value things more when they don't have them. Commitment automatically decreases your value as a man. Over time it just gets lower....
Plenty of women pursue men in committed relationships, in fact, probably more so.
@@dancingbanana627 But not the woman IN the relationship, sadly
She’s leaving out something this channel is actually quite good at; communication. Both people get their first option if they are willing to express it, bring that to the table themselves, and are honest... Not everyone has these things, to be fair, but it’s a solid starting place.
I hope there's enough honest women still left out there. Some guys really do hit the jackpot -- married for 40+ years and still legitimately in love and enjoy the time they spend together.
I have a few clients like that. A few have invited me over for dinner and I've really gotten to know their dynamic. It gives me hope that it's possible to find a lifelong partner. The depressing part is that they're a product of a different era -- people in their 60s-80s.
@@TheHamburgler123 good news there are some, about 20%. Bad news you probably won't be in the 20% no matter what you do.
Remember, its not just about marriage. It is the happily married part.
Most marriages are unhappy because in the womans mind, she couldn't get the guy she actually wanted to settle down with her.
So she is utterly miserable making his life miserable.
Yeah, this channel is fun, but I pity anyone who takes it as an end-all analysis. Could you fucking imagine if homo sapiens had a 2-bit computer for a brain like this video implies? Everyone may partake in the game, but normal mature people will also negotiate, communicate and work together to land in the 1st quadrant. You're only royally screwed, once you stop seeing your partner as a person ...which, ironically, this channel does not encourage doing.
@@TheHamburgler123 I'm in that group. In my early 40s. Part of it is just how my wife is wired (she always wanted a family and is relatively less crazy than most women). Part of it was that I was deeply suspicious of marriage (20 years ahead of the curve, because I'm smart and saw what a f'ing ruin my parents' generation had made of the institution) and so I laid down the law in advance of getting married. 'I expect X, Y, and Z. In return, I will A, B, and C. Break this deal and I'll divorce you. BTW, in my opinion, deliberate manipulation of the legal system to destroy a man's life is grounds for murder. Still interested?' She said yes and it's worked out for 19 years, so far.
This is the best video you've ever done. It's mathematical proof that we need patriarchy, monogamy, or some other system of punishing disloyal sexual behavior to come back.
I think your chart is fine with rank ordered choices as it's harder to dispute. Expected utility values would be interesting as it might change the potential for a dominant strategy to emerge for good guys/good girls, but expected utility values gets a bit subjective. The premise that good guys/girls prefer commitment and bad guys/girls prefer non-commitment makes rank ordering fairly straight forward and accurate.
I think "loyal" versus "not loyal" should change to "emotionally invested" and "not emotionally invested." I'm going to use "loyal" and "not loyal" in my critique here, but I think emotional investment and its consequences is what we're really talking about, since we're speaking of avoidant attachment. Overall, they kind of go together: loyalty and emotional investment.
What's interesting is if you're a good boy (prefers commitment), then there is no dominant strategy. All you can do is smooth out the impact her actions have by choosing to not be loyal. Being loyal means there's extremes: you get your first choice if she's loyal and your last if she's not. And the expected utility of "I'm loyal and she's not" is going to be very deeply negative.
Being a bad boy (prefers non-commitment) means there is a dominant strategy: you always wind up better by not being loyal. If she's loyal, you wind up better not being loyal (your first versus third choice) and if she's not, you still wind up better being not loyal (your second versus fourth choice).
The only thing I'd outright dispute in your analysis is you said the Nash equilibrium is in the "everyone is disloyal" corner. This is true for any bad/x pairing: it's the only Nash equilibrium point. But a good/good pairing has a Nash equilibrium in the "everyone is loyal" corner as well as in the "everyone is disloyal" corner, with a preference for the "everyone is loyal" corner (they're both Nash equilibrium points in a good/good pairing, because neither player can unilaterally change their strategy away from that corner and improve their reward). So, it's not that the good player is forced into the "everyone is disloyal" camp and that's the only rational choice (there's no dominant strategy for the good player). The real situation is that they have to choose between hope for a good/good pairing while exposing themselves to being crushed by a good/bad pairing, versus smoothing out the reward schedule by just being disloyal themselves.
This is mathematical proof that we need patriarchy and monogamy to make a comeback. There needs to be harsh punishments for being disloyal. That way, the reward schedule changes for bad guys/girls where "I'm not loyal but they are loyal" becomes the worst option on everyone's chart, and then the Nash equilibrium on everyone's chart will be "everyone is loyal." It's the only way to solve the mess.
Amazing content. I really don’t have enough or the right words to express how happy I am with this one, on top of the others I’ve seen, but still. Great work!
People think that they can start in the bottom right quadrant, then, if they like each other enough, agree to move to the top left quadrant. But it doesn't work that way. It's hard to ask someone who's sleeping around to stop and then trust that they actually will stop. And it's hard to be asked that by someone who was sleeping around just a bit ago and trust that it isn't a trick. The way you demonstrate that you are a trustworthy person who will be loyal and who will keep the pairing in the top left quadrant is by actually doing it- by actually demonstrating that trait by actually being loyal. But what you've demonstrated so far in the relationship is the literal opposite. Even if you literally start moving from quadrant 4 to quadrant 1, what you've actually demonstrated is something like, "My normal state of affairs is sleeping around, but because of how I feel about you specifically, I am loyal to you specifically." But feelings shift over time and sometimes people temporarily feel better or worse about their partner. What will happen if you two have a fight? What if you develop a possibly passing crush on someone else? The thing that is actually reliable is, "I am loyal because that is who I am, and even if we go through a rough time I will handle it honorably because that is my character as demonstrated by my actions." But if you started out sexually active and non-exclusive, that's not the character you've demonstrated through your actions.
well said
We ended up here because we tried. Actually trying is painful because women reward "not trying" by slamming their va-j-j against it as hard as they can, and punish trying by making the tryers try harder. Take all the energy and resources you spend trying to please women, and selfishly spend them making yourself better and happier. Dngaff what they say. Congratulations. Now you're the one they want.
I don't want them to want me, I want them to have fewer rights.
I started as a "good guy" - I found out that a lot of tgat was just beeing insecurity and early childhood trauma, average trauma, no crazy stuff.
Please consider that too... girls are traumatized too, so like attracts like and both are unhappy, sooner or later. The key is consciousness. Looking at the feelings that are lying behind all our experiences. Sorry, not native English speaking
Abolish no-fault divorce.
"We start of as good guys, watch Disney movies just like you do"
"Tradition is a solution to a problem you've forgotten, breaking tradition and the problem will come back in full"
Prisoner's Dilemma made manifest
Perfectly explained, bbuuutttt! The man/woman "relationship problem" is multi-layered and as old as time. Yes, laws are different now compared to 100 years ago but that did not mean a majority of people were "happily married." Poor people were forced to stay married while the rich were not. Unfortunately, our caveman/cavewoman sex survival drive cannot be extinguished by societal rules and laws. The history of this subject is just too vast to cover in little snippets. Regardless, all your little snippets are spot on.
Such a sad time to live through and watch good people get broken.
I spotted the nash equilibrium / zero sum game as soon as you showed it. Kudos for using that, that totally badass
I like the 'I met some men in their 50's, 60's and even 70's' meaning...you actually entertained a conversation with and even accepted if they were flirting with you and or buying you drinks or simply paying you attention.
This is very well done. If you wanted to expand the game theory chart, add a category for both men and women who just leave the "game" because they perceive that it is not winnable in its current configuration would be a way to do it. A lot of people, rather than become bad, or risk being used again, just stop playing.
That's the advice my grandmother gave my mother. Better to be alone than be in bad company.
Can confirm the disillusionment of getting muscles. I might not be able to find loyalty, but I can bend an iron bar with my bare hands and that's way more satisfying than any date I've had.
I gotta get muscles, I'm already disillusioned. I should also get the benefits.
Nice application of the Nash equilibrium. I hope you don't mind if I record a video on my Spanish channel with my comments.
I got cheated on, made the mistake of reconciling with her, went to therapy, gym, tried my best to be better... and she cheated on me again. Part of her excuse was arguing that she assumed I was cheating too. So I maintained self discipline and turned down many women over the course of a year... for worse than nothing.
You know that you are strong enough to be loyal to a girl who's actually a good person. She'll continue to cheat a burn through relationships. I'd consider that a win.
After watching many many of the videos on this channel, I can say with certainty that… this one is friggin brilliant! WOW just doesn’t cover it.
Marriage Laws/ Family Court / Financial Self Deletion / Options…….why commit?
Western society set to create covert depopulation policy?
because Im 2 and I dont want to die alone
@@szylaj
Like it or not.
We all die alone.
@@szylaj too bad Tushar is right. You may die even faster in marriage.
@@szylajMan up
This is depressing. I’m waiting until marriage and if I don’t get married, at least I won’t get used.
The best attitude to have. I would suggest going after the guy that has good traits but appears boring on the outside. Your average woman these days is allergic to that, they all want fun and excitement.
As a man, I'm the same way. It's hard to stay positive, but I'm sure you'll find someone who will appreciate you
Preserve your soul. As someone who has been irreversibly damaged by multiple relationships, you owe it to yourself to protect yourself from that harm.
Tarot cards are witchcraft.
I have decent genes. Tall, decent face, smart.
I'm at the point where I have recognized how the world works. I have the perception.But still being overweight, I don't have the " skill" ( this often leads to being gaslit). I have bought in heavily to the idea of romance. At this point I am an aethist but " True love" has been my guiding motiviation for some time now.
Thing is. Why? Why fucking bother. I CAN get to the point where I can and and exploit woman like animals, but why? It's not a very righteous or fun thing to do. I REALLY want to have my childhood innocent fantasy of a sweet girl fulfilled. I want to essentially become a religous man.
The life of grinding to be high value to get woman... its a situation where the cure is worse than the disease.
Take for instance some kid that gets bullied at school. Perhaps through training he could defeat this bully. But by taking up boxing he will take more damage there than he ever will from getting his lunch money taken. This is similar to how I see dating. Yes, you may " lower" yourself to avoid the heart break of trusting and losing. But by giving in you surender any chance for love as well as your own humanity.,
3:08
This is the exact same conclusion I have come to, but the only solution is to be righteous at any cost. I refuse to be evil. I'd likely even rather die than be suffer ( from lack of reward, for righteousness, or from taking what I desire). One of the most frustrating things to me is how quickly people give into their shadow for their own pleasure. How deserving are they really?
3:22 this graph could also be reorganized\ simplified
But simply by the dynamic you touched on, this is prob the best vid so far.The game theory is real. This has been a major factor for trying to choose my next actions.
4:36: Same conclusion I came to, sort of...
Thing is, if people devolve to their worse selves given this little pressure, they just aren't good people. Enforcing it societally may keep up appearances much better, but it doesn't fix the people. Social rules and structure is just masking the evil of humanity. People have been liberated. They have the freedom to be as awful as they REALLY are.
Edit number 6 lmao: the game theory chart isn’t accounting for attractiveness.
If anybody saw that video recently of a biker pulling up to a Starbucks and the girl flirting with him. So many dummies in the comments were saying she’s such a good sweet girl. Meanwhile she’s throwing herself at a stranger.
Most awful people turn into real sweet hearts when they are shooting up 4 points.
You sound like Siddhartha Gautama's lost writings.
Well, if anything, getting in great shape makes you feel good and if a situation arises, you will be happy that you are partially prepared for whatever comes.
@@beowulf_of_wall_st that's why it's a fantasy. He even says it's a childhood fantasy.
Get into your best shape for yourself. You don't have exploit women once you have a good body. Just keep doing the same things you do now but be healthier.
@@lennylink8772 This is the mindset im taking so far. I wont settle for less than the "1", and therefore I must be my best self to have the potential outcome of it. I have to do my part.
As a christian, I see this as an absolute win. Everybody come repent and come to the Lord
I’ve watched a few of these videos and this one is actually a work of art. The others are good, but this is both a deeply emotional story and a true depiction of reality 🎉😢
I like this chart and seems true. I think it is wrong to cheat but i wouldn't blame a guy for having a FWB on hold who they can go back to if/when their gf cheats on them. The problem is it is not really loyal to talk to a former FWB while in a relationship imo.
The only other logical thing to do is to ask God to show us who we should date, and to show us if they cheat. Dating is way too stressful without God's help imo. Having God lead us lightens that burden. We can and should still look for red flags if God brings us a woman to date.
Just sleeping around as a bad boy isn't fullfilling is it? Id rather stay alone as I am now with how crazy most women are now.
A rule I follow is to treat all women the same. If she cheats on you when you're in a long term relationship, then she broke the trust and joins the FWB pool while you move on to find another loyal partner. Being cheated on hurts, but you gotta treat it like a disappointment and with indifference. She let you down, okay, back to dating again. You can not let a woman diminish you, if you keep up with these philosophies then it will root out the women who don't deserve you.
@@gorilla_with_jetpack4102 You are probably right, or mostly right. I heard on another channel that we shouldn't "fall in love" but still love in some manner, and be ready to dump her at any moment. I could dump, just not sure I could keep myself from falling in love but still show some love.... I would not stay with a bad or disrespectful woman no matter how much I love her.
This was a really really good video
As always for this channel
Tried for a decade to make a woman happy, only to be divorced immediately after our first child. This is why. I’m never putting that much time and effort into another person. I’ll put that time and energy into myself and just do the short term thing. The only thing that makes that decade worth it is my daughter, that does take the sting out to be honest.
1:26 I never thought about it like that but this makes perfect sense as to why is also bad for men to have multiple partners.
You just explained the state do the dating market as of now. Women are making society polyamorous and driving up the demand of good men. It’s simple economics, but many don’t want to see it as it brings them back to reality. The reality that they’ll most likely die alone. I’m a woman btw, I’m attempting to understand myself, society, and men. Thank you for your content.
You've already got a leg up on almost all women if you mean that, but I don't trust women so I can't take your word for it. I hope you find someone nice and don't fuck it up because your hormone brain keeps telling you to ruin everything around you.