Problem: By the end of the movie Genie is already granted his freedom by Aladdin, so why would he be trying to sell his lamp to gain the freedom that he *already has.*
Right. The peddler wasn’t trying to sell the lamp for his freedom, it was an inactive lamp being used to tell the story of why the lamp is so important. He was definitely already freed because Al freed him as his final wish. The thing ai never understood is why the Genie wore the bracelets after the first movie. The bracelets disappeared representing his freedom.
@@absynthefaerie Because he wore them for so long that within a week he just didn't feel right without them. So he made some new ones that were just bracelets, and not shackles keeping him imprisoned.
When genie said he doesn’t like raising people from the dead that doesn’t mean he would simply refuse to grant it it means he is advising people to not wish for it because whoever he did raise wouldn’t be right
That is a great way at looking at it. Also it disturb the natural order of things. Like in batman raising someone with the Lazarus pit takes a toll on their mental state. So in other words if anyone read the monkeys paw they would know if you raise the dead he won't be the same person you knew before every wish has to have a consequence
The salesman in the beginning of the film takes place after the story from the movie. He's telling the tale of Aladdin. So, at this point he's already been freed, he doesn't need to sell the lamp to buy his freedom, Aladdin wished him free. Now, the lamp is just a lamp and a tool to tell the story.
That would mean that even AFTER Genie was freed, his powers were STILL phenomenal and cosmic level because his Master's will WAS done!...So Genie lied about being downgraded to "SEMI-phenominal" in Return of Jafar AND the Aladdin TV show as well!
That's right. He became a prince by marrying a princess. So not only did Genie grant the wish; he did it in such a way as to ensure a happier, healthier relationship between the two. So he really is a good guy. And besides, if he was evil, he would have left the moment he got what he wanted. But Genie got his freedom, then stuck around for two movies and a TV show. Total good-guy move.
I've always seen his 3 rules as 2 he is not able to do and 1 he really doesn't like doing. Probably because he can't make them 100% alive and just animates the corpse. For the Prince thing, well I think they forgot to go over the name of the place. Genie is shown to have summoned and created everything for the musical number. Meaning he probably just magiked up a small place that Aladdin was named Prince of. Genie is forced to comply with his master's orders, it's part of being a Genie. His worry for Jafar was that he was going to be a Free Genie right off the bat. We also know that there were several people in that location that could have grabbed the lamp and freed Genie as well.
2:20 he says he Can't, not that he wont. genie magic is incapable of bringing someone back from the dead. him saying "i dont like doing it" implies that a previous master made him TRY to bring someone back, but all he could do is reanimate the corpse. so hes warning aladdin that if he wished to bring back someone, genie would be forced to try, and neither of them would like the outcome.
My theory? Genie is your run-of-the-mill, chaotic jinn trapped in a lamp for doing Too Much Nonsense. Our sweet Genie likely caused a huge mess while he was wild and free, and to teach him a lesson, a magician of some sort took him, tricked him, shackled him and stuck him in a lamp. Then turned around and put his lamp in the most dangerous cave they could make. No one would dare go in after seeing what happens to the first person to step foot in that mouth. This is pretty important, because it shifts Genie's story a bit: He's not some helpless victim of circumstance, he's a chaotic being with too much power that was being punished for what he did. That said, genie could only be allowed to be found by someone with a good heart and good intentions, or else he'd simply be out and allowed to do more harm again. So, yes, I think he fully intended to trick Aladdin. I think he would've pulled a Monkey's Paw on the kid if Genie felt he could. Thing is, he can't. But Aladdin can. Aladdin can be vague, misleading, omit information and be indirect with what he wants an all powerful (but not all knowing) spirit to do for him. Thus, the rules. Accepting the three wishes is a magical contract enforced by the jinn himself: You can have just about anything you want! But these are *my* restrictions. Aladdin accepted the restrictions happily, still managing to trick Genie into saving him and then referring back to the rules, specifying he didn't technically make a wish, just goaded the Genie into action. So, no. I don't think Genie is actually capable of manipulating Aladdin as much as we think. And I think, specifically, it has to do with The Rules. Genie is bound to them too, after all. Thus the rest of my theory: Aladdin was already a prince. Genie gave him all the social status, riches and clothes associated with being a prince, but he didn't give Aladdin a country to rule or people to govern because... he already had those. Aladdin's father was a thief well before Aladdin was born and probably had the King of Thieves title well before the movie takes place. Land, citizens, a "throne" and law to oversee were already his, whether he knew it or not. Furthermore, if Genie isn't all knowing, he definitely doesn't know about Aladdin's family enough to make them royal in any regionally recognizable sense. It would mean either killing someone or bringing someone back from the dead, which Genie has already put hard 'no's on. Any claim to a pre-established throne is out of his hands, and the qualifications of being a royal is literally wealth and influence, otherwise. Genie working for Jafar... Can we. Just remember Genie is a magical servant? He doesn't have the ability to say no if Jafar tells him to do anything not restricted by The Rules. "He worked for Jafar" is like blaming someone for committing a crime when they had a gun to their head... which is *very* much the case, here, especially in the hands of another wizard/sorcerer. We need to remember, in no small terms, Genie is enslaved and has Very Little say in what happens to him or his powers. Lastly, the peddler... After everything that happened (being awoken after years, helping a kid get his dream girl and improve his life and being able to trust this kid to free him), he takes his vacation, travels the world maybe, and comes back. Why? He doesn't need money. He doesn't want fame after everything that endangered his life. And he probably doesn't want someone else thinking he *needed* to be locked away. So he takes his lamp, which was his living space and connected to his life, gets a pet camel and rides around selling junk he knows people don't want just so he can have the chance to talk about the human who taught him he could do good with his magic. His first friend in a long, long time. Can't say selling broken junk is *good* per say, but I think wanting to establish a legacy for his friend and the man who freed him is a good first step.
Problem: He didn't just dress him up. He rode in on elephants, had tons of gold that he just through around, dancers and guards. He had a ton to his name. He was in fact a prince of something. How much land? Who he ruled? How many subjects? No one knows because the place is never shown but he was not just dressed up. edit: Now if this is true, that means Alladin is now the prince of 2 things, since he is the son of the king of thieves and this wasn't because of the genie.
I always thought the whole bringing people back from the dead meant they came back as zombies. Genie considered it really bad and something he should never do. Its not like the Aladdin series shows a lot of other genies
On the merchant being the Genie - your whole theory starts on shaky ground when you narrate it by saying that the Genie is trying to sell his lamp via trickery to gain his freedom. Remember: by the time the merchant is telling the story, the Genie has already been wished free. Now, you can claim that, since the narrator is the Genie, he could be lying about being freed in the story, but then what purpose does selling the lamp achieve? The lamp will call him forth as an enslaved genie, by that theory, and he needs to convince the person he sold the lamp to as a gewgaw that USED to house a genie to give up one of the three wishes he suddenly "lucked" into to free him. This just doesn't work as a trickster plot, and relies further on facts not in evidence from the story. You have to presume your "he's a tricky sneak" conclusion as a premise to even start to find evidence for it, and even when you do, the evidence doesn't add up. 2:30 or so - If you take the very clip you show while spelling out rule 3, and take it all in context, he says that he can't bring people back from the dead. He then shows us a corpse-zombie bit of imagery and says "it's not a pretty picture; I don't like doing it!" You interpret that as him lying about the rules, that it's a choice, but what the context suggests is that he can't do it the way the wisher generally intends; they come back as undead abominations rather than a full-on resurrection. Nobody is happy when he tries; it isn't something he can do "right." I see nothing sinister here; he was communicating the truth, as long as you take all context into account. I see no "literal wording" games being played, and no intent to deceive. I'm unsure Genie could have said "no" to the wish, but rather that trying to grant it would fail in a horrifying way. 3:10 or so - I understand this interpretation, but it's one that came to me only much later, when others pointed it out. In fact, my own theory on it is that the genie actually created a land called "Ababwa," and made Aladdin - Ali - the prince thereof. I think there's a great story to be explored there: the people of Ababwa are out there, missing their (apparently beloved) prince. 3:30 or so - Genie is capable of using magic without a wish. What this seems to tell us is that the Genie can, in fact, grant a wish without being compelled to. Which means he can be tricked into using his magic without a wish, since he can use his magic without a wish of his own accord, at least to some extent. Genie assumed that was a wish. You might call it "sneaky" to expect Aladdin to use one of his wishes when Genie could just magic them out without one, but why should the Genie voluntarily help save the life of a master? Genie is a slave; he owes his masters 3 wishes, nothing more, so why is it his responsibility to save the life of a total stranger whose sole dynamic with him is skepticism, absolute power over him (at least wrt three wishes), etc.? We know Genie is actually NOT inclined to abuse what freedoms he has, when we compare him to Genie Jafar in the second movie and how he bullies Abysmal. 6:30 - You try to argue that the lamp falling into Jafar's hands when Genie was mad at Aladdin is the Genie betraying Aladdin by giving the lamp to Jafar, but that's outright belied by one of the things you hold up as evidence of how recent it was. Genie wouldn't have thought Aladdin was still the master and still been arguing with him if he'd orchestrated Jafar getting the lamp. You COULD claim that the Genie eitehr was acting when he pretended that to Jafar (but why deceive his new master into thinking he doesn't want to work with him?) or that the narrator is lying about the event, but that last one again relies on the conclusion being a premise and is not supported by the narrative. Anyway, no, looking at the movie through the lens of this theory doesn't make me see the movie in a new light. It just makes the theory not hold water. You have to rewrite too much of the movie to make that work. And no, also, I do not think there is a lot of evidence to support it. OR, alternatively, there's plenty, but only if you're willing to make it up by saying "unreliable narrator!" to an extent that you could also find evidence that Jafar was the hero, or that the Sultan was secretly a mastermind who orchestrated the entire plot in order to put his daughter on the throne (directly or through a puppet husband she could manipulate and control). Or any number of other possibilities.
Your statement about genie using magic without a wish. I read a theory that, when analyzing it, all of the magic genie performs that directly affects Aladdin is all little parts in completing his other wishes. Non of the magic performed affects Aladdin. And are small things like making a chess board when playing with carpet, they don't affect Aladdins wishes in any way.
@@somerandoonyt9553 But we also see Jafar do things that affect Abysmal with and without him making a wish. Not merely twisting his wishes, but putting him in danger of harm. (Though not death.) And since Genie agreed that the freedom from the Cave didn't count since Aladdin never said he wished for it, we know he can affect Aladdin without a wish. He just really, really doesn't want to (perhaps for reasons related to some sort of backlash or other rules he isn't supposed to bend or break).
Genies are a legend so there is a ton of different stories sometimes genies do have a bit of free will but usually there are rules. No only ones made for them to obey the holder of their lamp, but also the kinds that they make themselves, it does seem that genies can make rules as long as within the realm of reason, they would just have to take advantage of the original rules. If there is a rule that they can’t kill then aka bring death with magic it makes sense that they couldn’t bring life with magic or create a living dead. Chances are another rule in reverse would be that as you can’t make someone fallin love you also cannot make someone fall out of love using magic, working within the rules and creating grey areas are within the realm of reason but it’s not exactly free will. Him trying to sell his lamp would also be a grey area. As for wishes going wrong, it’s not like it’s the first time, the very first rule of genie wishes is ‘be careful what you wish for’ because it might not come true the way you wanted it to. His father being the king of thieves due to the wish would be a fulfillment of the wish. Not the anticipated solution nor the ideal solution but it still counts. And as for people believing him to be a prince due to his clothes, that’s in part because of the psychology of humans seeing what they expect to see, Jasmin didn’t recognize Aladdin at first either even though she’d seen him up close before only after he took his headdress of to chase away Jasmin’s tiger did she figure out who he was. Because without his headdress, arrogant posture and prince act he didn’t resemble the arrogant prince Ali and suddenly she made the connection to a similar looking guy she meet in the marketplace, and started testing him. The best way to use genie all along was by limiting the amount of magic (the bigger the wish the bigger the chance of it going wrong) used, and make simple wishes with little chance of another interpretation, and only if necessary use specifics and details (If the wish otherwise might result in multiple interpretations).
Genie's character, especially with Robin Williams voice acting him, is a charismatic and easily beloved character depending on who he meets. He can't be 100% good because of the attachment to whoever his master becomes and trying to find ways to gain freedom isn't a bad thing when you've spent centuries without true personal autonomy. People manipulate to gain freedom, one way or another. I think he had a genuine close relationship with Aladdin which feels wholesome because Genie could be more of who he really was and Aladdin would listen to him more. I'm sure there's trickery, but it felt more wholesome. The King of Theives theory, may happen- but I'm going to assume that his father was already part of such organization before the Genie entered it and Aladdin became a Prince with Jasmine thus fulfilling such wish. I do enjoy the other theories of Genie being a time travelor/ explorer of other dimensions due to all his pop culture references.
I'm surprised you didn't point out that in "Return of Jafar" it was proven that a genie CAN manipulate the granting of a wish to his own interpretation rather than what the master was thinking.
Like all genies. There is a lot of things in stories that grant wishes that you have to be specific in your wish or it will be something you didn’t want at all.
As an Arab person who grew up surrounded by folklore tales firsthand, “Alaadin and the wonderful lamp” is a story associated with the book [One thousand and one nights] added later by a Frenchman famously known as the first European translator of the book (& he sure not the last lmfao). Anyway interpreting an -OUT-OF-CONTEXT- characters from the frame-story is an everlasting cliffhanger, this is literally the most unambiguous takeaway from the story ! 💔🤭😂 It’s so adorable western people still contributing their fan-fiction to a fictional story for centuries ! Wouldn’t be easier if anyone put it back in context once and for all to find the most satisfying & entertaining closure ? It’s maybe the only book in history that combines comedy, true crime, adventure, graphic elements, politics, philosophy/religion and get this EVEN ER*TICA centuries ago before “50 shades of middle age white British lady” 🔞🚬😎
Well most genies much like fairies aren't interested in helping people. The sneaky undertone should be expected. That's why you have to be specific with your wishes.
I like these theories. But you should check out the Aladdin TV series. They show Genie’s original master. He controlled Genie through fear and was a really evil person. That could also explain why Genie was “evil”. You become a product of your surroundings.
I prefer the theory of the genie taking the whole movie to fulfill Aladdin's wish of becoming a prince by havign him marry Jasmine. No one ever said Wishes have to be granted in an instant.
the rule about death is more of an advice: I can bring your loved one back to life, but It will be a horrible being, a decayed abomination and won't be what you expect
I want to point out another theory. WHAT IF Genie didn't turn his father in to the King of Thieves, he already was the King of Thieves. Genie granted the wish thinking it WOULD make him a Prince. BUT not know he already was one, just ended up making him look like one. It would make everything much more odd, while keeping Genie in character. It would effectively be Genie admitting to mucking up a wish accidentally because he didn't know. It would also be hinting at the later movies.
Genies are ussually very sneaky. Not just they whant the freedom. Some genies are in perpers grands a wish what example the master didnt whant it, but they said loudly, making a Genie an exuse that they thought it was a wish. Whitch the wish might go wrong or better. We see Genie here that he trys to be sneaky like how every Genie are, but instead Aladinn trick him by hiding the lamp while Genie is granding him a wish, and Aladinn is the one who trick him making Genie thinks Aladdin has still 3 wishes. You forgot original Aladinn.
One final question (so to speak). What if Genie's betrayal was not only for vengeance, but to convince Aladin that the use of wishes, not only benefits Aladin, but used against him? If Aladin did not set Genie free, then Genie's power could be problematic.
i keep on thinking about genie being evil or the villian telling aladdin not to say that he won't wish for more wishes, saying that hecan't kill anyone, bring people back from the dead and make someone fall in love with that person.
Have to say first wish about the king of thieves theory I do not think that he put Aladdin father in trouble rather the father was already in trouble and that wish could have saved the father's life without knowing it.
If you look at the second Aladdin movie, Jafar actually shows just how cunning a genie could be and just how much free will they have. Genie has been at it for centuries, but Jafar being quite smart caught onto the tricks and loopholes much sooner
I would go with Grnie being something nore like Chaotic Neutral than really Evil in any way. He looks out for his own, and mostly does things his way, free will or no, and he knows more than a couple tricks to temporarily "untie his hands" like saving Aladdin by "assuming" his suggested wish was desired even though Al was not conscious enough to give true consent, using an otherwise disingenuous gesture. Interestingly enough, this act displays he was still constrained by some rules but like most genies knew how to divide the letter from the spirit of the phrase, and despite this gave Aladdin mostly correct interpretations of what he wanted, despite being the vaguest wishes one could give. Meanwhile when helping Jafar, the instructions were clear enough the constraint of his rules kept him from denying the wish while also he did the bare minimum needed to grant it. Interpretation was always a genie's wiggle room in their bondage, no different here.
The movie clearly makes it a point to show that the peddler only tells the story of the lamp once the customer/audience begins to walk away having no interest in buying anything, as a last ditch effort to convince them to buy something and only then shows the lamp which he had been hiding on his person the entire time instead of with the rest of the stuff he had for sale, seemingly not wanting to part ways with it unless it was absolutely necessary, so if his plan was to sell the lamp in order to free himself, why hide it at all to begin with? Not only that but how would someone purchasing the lamp grant him his freedom?? If anything this would cause whoever purchases the lamp to become the genies new master which is the last thing the genie would want happening as he'd have no choice but to obey them, so the only way he would not only let someone get the lamp, but even try to convince them to do so would be if he was already freed from the lamp and had only kept it around for sentimental reasons. After watching a couple of this channels videos it's undeniable that basically every video is essentially nothing more than terrible fanfiction written by a teenager just to appear "edgy", and not a single one has anything to back up the claim that what's being discussed is a remotely plausible conclusion that someone actually came to whatsoever.
Well if you've ever read stories about genies aka jinn (or djinn) you'd know they're tricksters. According to Britannica, "Jinn delight in punishing humans for any harm done them, intentionally or unintentionally, and are said to be responsible for many diseases and all kinds of accidents; however, those human beings knowing the proper magical procedure can exploit the jinn to their advantage." 1 of my favorite horror movie series is Wishmaster which is about an evil genie trying to take over the world along w/ his brethren! The 1st 2 star Andrew Divoff as the Djinn & the last 2 star John Novak as the Djinn.
Sorry if you watched the movie for the first part then you would know the salesman was telling you the story of Aladdin so the genie wasn't evil there.its just there wasn't any use for the lamp now.keeping in mind I'm sure that jafar got this own lamp.
From what I’ve read and seen and everything don’t genies usually Grant wishes with a caveat? They don’t usually just give you what you outright want it is always given to you with a downside something huge sometimes so I can totally see the genie being evil
Wait so if the narrator in this is the genie/peddler and in live action genie is also the narrator woah I've never known genie was the peddler my mind is fried
I think that Genie actually has free will in a way, as long as the wish gives him the opportunity. Because what did Aladdin wish for? To be a prince. Well, that's not very precise. When did he want to become a prince? Right now? In a week? In a few years? What kind of prince does he want to be? Of a big kingdom or a small one? First-born or second-born? Do you really want the royal house to exist or do you just want to look like a prince? Etc. etc. So it is the wish itself "Genie, make a prince out of me!" that gives Genie complete power over Aladdin here and gives him complete freedom of choice. So if Genie wasn't such a nice guy, he could have used the wish against Aladdin through the complete freedom of interpretation, just as Jaffar does in the second movie. About the three rules: Genie does set rules for the wishes, but I think that if someone nevertheless wishes someone back from the dead, for example, he still have to obey. So he is merely pointing out that such wishes do not make one happy. Whether Genie's master then takes this into account or not is up to the person himself. For example, when Jaffar wishes to be the most powerful wizard and then to be Genie himself, Genie does not want to grant the wishes, but does so anyway. I think the only real rule that Genie is subject to is that everyone has only three wishes. Either because that is a cosmic rule and the number three is a magic number. Or Genie was once free and was banished to the lamp and "cursed" to be eternally bound to the bottle and to grant wishes to every owner of the lamp. The only way to escape is for the owner of the lamp to wish Genie free. And to prevent this, Genie has been given the rule that he can only use his powers to grant three wishes to arouse the owner's greed and selfishness.
If you look at the mythology with genies though, their wish making is similar to that corrupt a wish game. You can get your wish but it comes at a cost. Look at Once Upon a Time. And then in the LA of the movie, Genie even tells Aladdin that he needs to be very specific with wishing. Also, the director stated that they used architypes when making the movie. Genie was blue with some reds. Blue in the movie was symbolism for good. Reds was symbolism for evil, and purple was neutral.
Genie is the one telling the story. The beginning of the story is really the end when Aladdin let Genie Free. That’s hell he was able to transform to the man in the beginning.
It also kind of makes sense that he meet up the his own rules because in the original fairy tale of Aladdin and the genie the genie he finds in the lamp is has unlimited power and Aladdin gets unlimited wishes and the genie refuses to give up being a genie and be freed from the land because then he would lose all his power
I read that you can tell their true nature of the jinn by their skin colour. Blue's good, green's more mischievous, and red's evil. And that detail's actually been shown in the Aladdin movies and tv series. (Genie, Jafar, and Eden.) Also, for rule 3 he meant wishing people back from the dead back will only cause the zombie apocalypse. They won't be brought back to life, they'll just be mindless reanimated walking corpses that'll eat you alive.
I never really saw Eden as being any more mischievous as Genie. Genie has bent the rules on wishes himself, and has shown himself to have a mischievous side. One of the first wishes Eden grants is turning a childs wish for a sandwich into the child never being hungry again showing a desire to do good and help the kid by giving the child more than what they could think up themself since the little girl was too humble and innocent to think big. Sounds like a genie that's a good person to me, since a more mischievous genie would turn a wish negative, or self serving not make it even more positive for the person who asked for the wish. It shows to me that she has a desire to help others outside of what she's forced to do as a servant, and wanted to make sure the kid would be okay even after she's gone.
@@sardonicus1739 When dealing with people she liked, yes. When she first met Genie, she tried to get rid of him, thinking he was trying to steal her master, and when dealing with Abysmal, she exploited whatever excuse she could think of to screw him over, showing that she was tricky and at least somewhat mischievous. And who knows what she might've been like before that. (But yeah, she might be better suited to being a blue genie, even by Disney standards.)
the character that narrates the film is actually his own separate character, it's been shown in the animated series that he does exist as his own character and isn't an extension of Genie.
Aren't genies based off djinn?? The whole bases for be careful what you wish for??because any wish you make will be granted in the worse way possible like the old monkeypaw story?
Every since I was little I always thought the lantern guy at the beginning of the movie was gennie and assume it was true and everyone also thought the same . . _. Kinda surprised its actually a theory not intirely cannon until the creator said it is
His father abandoned his son. He also may have taught him petty theft to survive. His father I believe got a promotion at work and couldn’t come back to his family. He could have given Al’s mother money to set them up somewhere but she died. His father may have got his last promotion aka made King of Thieves by genie. But his father was already a member of the group so he would face the same issues regardless.
No, I think they had the "king of theives" thing backwards. Genie couldn't make Al a prince, cause he was already a prince. Cause of his father being the king of thieves. It was an impossible wish. So Genie did the next best thing, make him look and feel like a prince.
hahaha...I wonder why they didn't just give Jasmine the lamp, so they could have three wishes again...at least with jasmine's three wishes, they could give Aladin a decent identity and free the genie on the way.
The Cardinal rules of the genie are; They can’t kill, they cannot make anyone fall in love with anyone else, they cannot bring people back to life after they die, they cannot allow the person making the wishes to wish for more wishes, and they absolutely cannot allow the finder to wish for Power over others and Untold Riches. Also, there is a final rule that the genies all must live by; If the finder ever wishes to become a genie like them, they are bound by the following rule; “A Genie who grants a finder’s wish to become a genie is to be confined to their lamp and locked up for at least a thousand years.”
I think the genie was cunning and only had freedom in his mind at the begining but grew to like Aladin at some point, otherwise he is unlikely o come back from his travels
How about 'diamond in the rough' Aladdin was a prince to begin with the son of the King of thieves but because he didn't know it didn't mean Genie didn't so dressing him up was all he needed to do to polish said diamond, still didn't grant the wish, but Aladdin didn't know that.
I wouldn't say in this context genie is evil, rather he desperate to escape the lamp and be free from it, like most genies in lore. And when you that desperate you do what ever it takes, even scamming people who don't deserve it. And in the show he more than makes up for it when he aids them
In the beginning when Genie is trying to sell the the lamp as the peddler he is already free but that doesn't mean the lamp is useless because when Jafar is turned into a genie himself we see him get pulled into a lamp so when he was trying to sell the lamp what if it was Jafars lamp and the reason he would sell it is because then he would not only get rid of the lamp but also Jafar who is the new genie therefore making history repeat itself.
If Genie was the street peddler, how did he get out to BE him?? I thought his lamp has to be rubbed in order for him to come out?? So where is the person that let him out so he could be the street peddler??
Well technically, the seller was telling a story that already happened. And at the last one, Jafar said “For my last wish, I wish to be an all powerful genie” So genie was already on the last wish for Jafar. But because Aladdin didn’t use his last wish, he was still bound to him. Hence why he didn’t return into the lamp
The gold cuffs are technically chaincuffs to them if you saw the cuffs break off Genie when Aladdin freed him. yes he’s free but he can only stay near his master or in the lamp so he’s not free free.
Technically speaking can't bring anyone back from the dead he just reanimate the body which means he's not lying and he doesn't like doing it because it's gross cuz he can actually bring back the soul of the person putting them back is how they used to be
Not buying it. Just because Genie says he doesn’t like to bring someone back from the dead doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it when commanded. He’s very smart and tricky but that doesn’t make him evil. Magic, like everything else and even for Genie has consequences. So Genie making Aladdin’s father Prince if Thieves may have been the only viable way to make Aladdin a Prince at that very moment. Him having free will doesn’t mean he can go against a direct command so he was still compelled to do what Jafar commanded.
really? The black goatee? THE GUY HAS 4 FINGERS... there are dozens of other Agrabah denizens with a black goatee, but no other with a complete hand AND 4 fingers
I'm typically one for these types of videos...new theories and angles and all, but this whole video seemed like a stretch, except for the Genie being the peddler. 🤔
I mean he did say he had no choice and the bracelets make him listen to any master that has the lamp, genie is more like a god/magical creature he doesn't know bad or good, righteousness or evil he is trapped there with cosmic power and a collar. So he had no choice but to grant the wishes no mater how evil they might be at hand.
I guess that genie is kinda evil...but not because of the film itself, it is more because genies are described in books as evil manipulating tricksters. However this must not be true, books/paper can only tell us what humans wrote and most of the time humans do not understand magical creatures, nature, gods or even other humans correct and so they writing nonsense they believe is true. For this movie i just think that this character is just fun to watch😁😁
Jafar is second rate to the sultan and The sultans advisor. The sultan trusts Jafar , but Jafar is evil. And all Jafar ever wanted was to take the place of the Salton and Mary princess Jasmine. Also to invade princess Jasmine's mother's country. Simply because supposedly Jasmine's mother's country wasn't cooperating. Cooperating over whatever the treaty between agrabah and princess Jasmine's mother's country was. So Jafar didn't want to just conquer agrabah. but he also wanted to conquer princess Jasmine's mother's country. As well
If that is true, then why was Ginie helping Aladdin, explain that plus the Ginie was giving him really good advice about friendship and how to get a girlfriend the right way so you're theory doesn't work
Well there is no creature mythical one that is that could fill the genies role other than a Djin a trickster that grants wishes They could be found in ‘the Witcher’ as creatures stuck in magical attic acts thanks to magic while yes found in the Witcher they are really a irl mythical creature Plus genie and djin sound similar at the start
From what I understand about Djinn and genie, they are one and the same being. Genie is the corrupted form of Djinn when it was brought over and used in the english language. It is like tea and chai, both mean the same thing just depends on what trade route it was imported through when it came through europe/ other countries. So chai tea is literally tea tea.
He did definitely say, "I wish for you to make me a prince," since Genie told him he had to make it official, and he also said, "Genie, I wish you free," before Genie asked him to repeat/clarify, and Aladdin said, the second time, "Genie, you're free."
The one part of your theory that I take issue with is the assumption that just because Genie had some free will he is evil because he obeyed Jafar when Jafar first held the lamp. You also take issue with genie having free will and therefore choosing whether to obey or not. As I see it, genie does have free will in that he is able to protest any wish put to him--but that he HAS to fulfill the wish in SOME WAY. In other words, genie's will is free but by the power of the curse his ACTIONS are not. He HAS to obey the command, but has enough free will to decide just HOW he will obey it. Therefore, Genie's freedom of action is bound by the WAY THE WISH IS FRAMED. So had I the lamp and commanded genie to build me a castle he would be able to decide where the castle was, how many rooms it had, how they were decorated or not, and on and on and on. Had I said I wanted a castle with 46 rooms decorated in medieval French style, with a 1950s kitchen and an internet service that's what Genie would give me--but he'd still be able to choose the colors of decor, the size of the rooms, and how many of the remaining 45 rooms (minus the kitchen) were bedrooms. He could choose to omit bathrooms entirely. But he would have to deliver a castle with 46 rooms, etc. If Jafar demanded an evil deed, and he spelled out exactly how it was to be done, Genie would have no choice but to obey. We know from Jafar's behavior he would be capable of framing his wish VERY exactly. Under the coercion of the wish Genie would have no choices. A person under coercion can not be held guilty for their actions. Hence the verdict: Not Evil, regardless of what Jafar forced him to do.
Ugh. I wish you wouldn’t bring in the sequels. Not only are they awful, but the animation quality is so incredibly inferior it’s annoying to look at, especially when directly compared to the original. I wish we call could just agree that if it didn’t get a theatrical release (back before streaming and the pandemic) then it’s not canon. It’s just like crappy fan fiction.
Problem: By the end of the movie Genie is already granted his freedom by Aladdin, so why would he be trying to sell his lamp to gain the freedom that he *already has.*
Right. The peddler wasn’t trying to sell the lamp for his freedom, it was an inactive lamp being used to tell the story of why the lamp is so important. He was definitely already freed because Al freed him as his final wish. The thing ai never understood is why the Genie wore the bracelets after the first movie. The bracelets disappeared representing his freedom.
@@absynthefaerie Probably because Genie with bracelets is more iconic than Genie without bracelets
@@absynthefaerie Because he wore them for so long that within a week he just didn't feel right without them. So he made some new ones that were just bracelets, and not shackles keeping him imprisoned.
Exactly
Y'know I think this a whole lot of nonsense
When genie said he doesn’t like raising people from the dead that doesn’t mean he would simply refuse to grant it it means he is advising people to not wish for it because whoever he did raise wouldn’t be right
That is a great way at looking at it. Also it disturb the natural order of things. Like in batman raising someone with the Lazarus pit takes a toll on their mental state. So in other words if anyone read the monkeys paw they would know if you raise the dead he won't be the same person you knew before every wish has to have a consequence
The salesman in the beginning of the film takes place after the story from the movie. He's telling the tale of Aladdin. So, at this point he's already been freed, he doesn't need to sell the lamp to buy his freedom, Aladdin wished him free. Now, the lamp is just a lamp and a tool to tell the story.
Personal note about Aladdin's first wish. As of the end of the trilogy/remake he did marry a princess, making him a prince, "king" of thieves or not.
That would mean that even AFTER Genie was freed, his powers were STILL phenomenal and cosmic level because his Master's will WAS done!...So Genie lied about being downgraded to "SEMI-phenominal" in Return of Jafar AND the Aladdin TV show as well!
@@metalspinda9594 phenomenal is in the eye of the beholder I guess
@@ninomitchell2039 pfff!...They B) "WISH!"
Aaaaaaaiiiiiiigh!
That's right. He became a prince by marrying a princess. So not only did Genie grant the wish; he did it in such a way as to ensure a happier, healthier relationship between the two. So he really is a good guy.
And besides, if he was evil, he would have left the moment he got what he wanted. But Genie got his freedom, then stuck around for two movies and a TV show. Total good-guy move.
@@benfarrar741 very true
I've always seen his 3 rules as 2 he is not able to do and 1 he really doesn't like doing. Probably because he can't make them 100% alive and just animates the corpse. For the Prince thing, well I think they forgot to go over the name of the place. Genie is shown to have summoned and created everything for the musical number. Meaning he probably just magiked up a small place that Aladdin was named Prince of.
Genie is forced to comply with his master's orders, it's part of being a Genie. His worry for Jafar was that he was going to be a Free Genie right off the bat. We also know that there were several people in that location that could have grabbed the lamp and freed Genie as well.
Actually Aladdin was a prince of thieves because he was the son of the king of thieves
2:20 he says he Can't, not that he wont. genie magic is incapable of bringing someone back from the dead. him saying "i dont like doing it" implies that a previous master made him TRY to bring someone back, but all he could do is reanimate the corpse. so hes warning aladdin that if he wished to bring back someone, genie would be forced to try, and neither of them would like the outcome.
My theory?
Genie is your run-of-the-mill, chaotic jinn trapped in a lamp for doing Too Much Nonsense. Our sweet Genie likely caused a huge mess while he was wild and free, and to teach him a lesson, a magician of some sort took him, tricked him, shackled him and stuck him in a lamp. Then turned around and put his lamp in the most dangerous cave they could make. No one would dare go in after seeing what happens to the first person to step foot in that mouth.
This is pretty important, because it shifts Genie's story a bit: He's not some helpless victim of circumstance, he's a chaotic being with too much power that was being punished for what he did. That said, genie could only be allowed to be found by someone with a good heart and good intentions, or else he'd simply be out and allowed to do more harm again.
So, yes, I think he fully intended to trick Aladdin. I think he would've pulled a Monkey's Paw on the kid if Genie felt he could.
Thing is, he can't.
But Aladdin can.
Aladdin can be vague, misleading, omit information and be indirect with what he wants an all powerful (but not all knowing) spirit to do for him.
Thus, the rules. Accepting the three wishes is a magical contract enforced by the jinn himself: You can have just about anything you want! But these are *my* restrictions. Aladdin accepted the restrictions happily, still managing to trick Genie into saving him and then referring back to the rules, specifying he didn't technically make a wish, just goaded the Genie into action.
So, no. I don't think Genie is actually capable of manipulating Aladdin as much as we think. And I think, specifically, it has to do with The Rules. Genie is bound to them too, after all.
Thus the rest of my theory:
Aladdin was already a prince. Genie gave him all the social status, riches and clothes associated with being a prince, but he didn't give Aladdin a country to rule or people to govern because... he already had those. Aladdin's father was a thief well before Aladdin was born and probably had the King of Thieves title well before the movie takes place. Land, citizens, a "throne" and law to oversee were already his, whether he knew it or not.
Furthermore, if Genie isn't all knowing, he definitely doesn't know about Aladdin's family enough to make them royal in any regionally recognizable sense. It would mean either killing someone or bringing someone back from the dead, which Genie has already put hard 'no's on. Any claim to a pre-established throne is out of his hands, and the qualifications of being a royal is literally wealth and influence, otherwise.
Genie working for Jafar... Can we. Just remember Genie is a magical servant? He doesn't have the ability to say no if Jafar tells him to do anything not restricted by The Rules. "He worked for Jafar" is like blaming someone for committing a crime when they had a gun to their head... which is *very* much the case, here, especially in the hands of another wizard/sorcerer. We need to remember, in no small terms, Genie is enslaved and has Very Little say in what happens to him or his powers.
Lastly, the peddler...
After everything that happened (being awoken after years, helping a kid get his dream girl and improve his life and being able to trust this kid to free him), he takes his vacation, travels the world maybe, and comes back. Why? He doesn't need money. He doesn't want fame after everything that endangered his life. And he probably doesn't want someone else thinking he *needed* to be locked away.
So he takes his lamp, which was his living space and connected to his life, gets a pet camel and rides around selling junk he knows people don't want just so he can have the chance to talk about the human who taught him he could do good with his magic. His first friend in a long, long time.
Can't say selling broken junk is *good* per say, but I think wanting to establish a legacy for his friend and the man who freed him is a good first step.
Problem: He didn't just dress him up. He rode in on elephants, had tons of gold that he just through around, dancers and guards. He had a ton to his name. He was in fact a prince of something. How much land? Who he ruled? How many subjects? No one knows because the place is never shown but he was not just dressed up.
edit: Now if this is true, that means Alladin is now the prince of 2 things, since he is the son of the king of thieves and this wasn't because of the genie.
I always thought the whole bringing people back from the dead meant they came back as zombies. Genie considered it really bad and something he should never do. Its not like the Aladdin series shows a lot of other genies
On the merchant being the Genie - your whole theory starts on shaky ground when you narrate it by saying that the Genie is trying to sell his lamp via trickery to gain his freedom. Remember: by the time the merchant is telling the story, the Genie has already been wished free. Now, you can claim that, since the narrator is the Genie, he could be lying about being freed in the story, but then what purpose does selling the lamp achieve? The lamp will call him forth as an enslaved genie, by that theory, and he needs to convince the person he sold the lamp to as a gewgaw that USED to house a genie to give up one of the three wishes he suddenly "lucked" into to free him. This just doesn't work as a trickster plot, and relies further on facts not in evidence from the story. You have to presume your "he's a tricky sneak" conclusion as a premise to even start to find evidence for it, and even when you do, the evidence doesn't add up.
2:30 or so - If you take the very clip you show while spelling out rule 3, and take it all in context, he says that he can't bring people back from the dead. He then shows us a corpse-zombie bit of imagery and says "it's not a pretty picture; I don't like doing it!" You interpret that as him lying about the rules, that it's a choice, but what the context suggests is that he can't do it the way the wisher generally intends; they come back as undead abominations rather than a full-on resurrection. Nobody is happy when he tries; it isn't something he can do "right." I see nothing sinister here; he was communicating the truth, as long as you take all context into account. I see no "literal wording" games being played, and no intent to deceive.
I'm unsure Genie could have said "no" to the wish, but rather that trying to grant it would fail in a horrifying way.
3:10 or so - I understand this interpretation, but it's one that came to me only much later, when others pointed it out. In fact, my own theory on it is that the genie actually created a land called "Ababwa," and made Aladdin - Ali - the prince thereof. I think there's a great story to be explored there: the people of Ababwa are out there, missing their (apparently beloved) prince.
3:30 or so - Genie is capable of using magic without a wish. What this seems to tell us is that the Genie can, in fact, grant a wish without being compelled to. Which means he can be tricked into using his magic without a wish, since he can use his magic without a wish of his own accord, at least to some extent. Genie assumed that was a wish. You might call it "sneaky" to expect Aladdin to use one of his wishes when Genie could just magic them out without one, but why should the Genie voluntarily help save the life of a master? Genie is a slave; he owes his masters 3 wishes, nothing more, so why is it his responsibility to save the life of a total stranger whose sole dynamic with him is skepticism, absolute power over him (at least wrt three wishes), etc.?
We know Genie is actually NOT inclined to abuse what freedoms he has, when we compare him to Genie Jafar in the second movie and how he bullies Abysmal.
6:30 - You try to argue that the lamp falling into Jafar's hands when Genie was mad at Aladdin is the Genie betraying Aladdin by giving the lamp to Jafar, but that's outright belied by one of the things you hold up as evidence of how recent it was. Genie wouldn't have thought Aladdin was still the master and still been arguing with him if he'd orchestrated Jafar getting the lamp. You COULD claim that the Genie eitehr was acting when he pretended that to Jafar (but why deceive his new master into thinking he doesn't want to work with him?) or that the narrator is lying about the event, but that last one again relies on the conclusion being a premise and is not supported by the narrative.
Anyway, no, looking at the movie through the lens of this theory doesn't make me see the movie in a new light. It just makes the theory not hold water. You have to rewrite too much of the movie to make that work. And no, also, I do not think there is a lot of evidence to support it. OR, alternatively, there's plenty, but only if you're willing to make it up by saying "unreliable narrator!" to an extent that you could also find evidence that Jafar was the hero, or that the Sultan was secretly a mastermind who orchestrated the entire plot in order to put his daughter on the throne (directly or through a puppet husband she could manipulate and control). Or any number of other possibilities.
Damn I didn't think this much.
Your statement about genie using magic without a wish.
I read a theory that, when analyzing it, all of the magic genie performs that directly affects Aladdin is all little parts in completing his other wishes. Non of the magic performed affects Aladdin. And are small things like making a chess board when playing with carpet, they don't affect Aladdins wishes in any way.
@@somerandoonyt9553 But we also see Jafar do things that affect Abysmal with and without him making a wish. Not merely twisting his wishes, but putting him in danger of harm. (Though not death.)
And since Genie agreed that the freedom from the Cave didn't count since Aladdin never said he wished for it, we know he can affect Aladdin without a wish. He just really, really doesn't want to (perhaps for reasons related to some sort of backlash or other rules he isn't supposed to bend or break).
Genies are a legend so there is a ton of different stories sometimes genies do have a bit of free will but usually there are rules. No only ones made for them to obey the holder of their lamp, but also the kinds that they make themselves, it does seem that genies can make rules as long as within the realm of reason, they would just have to take advantage of the original rules. If there is a rule that they can’t kill then aka bring death with magic it makes sense that they couldn’t bring life with magic or create a living dead. Chances are another rule in reverse would be that as you can’t make someone fallin love you also cannot make someone fall out of love using magic, working within the rules and creating grey areas are within the realm of reason but it’s not exactly free will. Him trying to sell his lamp would also be a grey area.
As for wishes going wrong, it’s not like it’s the first time, the very first rule of genie wishes is ‘be careful what you wish for’ because it might not come true the way you wanted it to. His father being the king of thieves due to the wish would be a fulfillment of the wish. Not the anticipated solution nor the ideal solution but it still counts. And as for people believing him to be a prince due to his clothes, that’s in part because of the psychology of humans seeing what they expect to see, Jasmin didn’t recognize Aladdin at first either even though she’d seen him up close before only after he took his headdress of to chase away Jasmin’s tiger did she figure out who he was. Because without his headdress, arrogant posture and prince act he didn’t resemble the arrogant prince Ali and suddenly she made the connection to a similar looking guy she meet in the marketplace, and started testing him.
The best way to use genie all along was by limiting the amount of magic (the bigger the wish the bigger the chance of it going wrong) used, and make simple wishes with little chance of another interpretation, and only if necessary use specifics and details (If the wish otherwise might result in multiple interpretations).
Genie's character, especially with Robin Williams voice acting him, is a charismatic and easily beloved character depending on who he meets. He can't be 100% good because of the attachment to whoever his master becomes and trying to find ways to gain freedom isn't a bad thing when you've spent centuries without true personal autonomy. People manipulate to gain freedom, one way or another. I think he had a genuine close relationship with Aladdin which feels wholesome because Genie could be more of who he really was and Aladdin would listen to him more. I'm sure there's trickery, but it felt more wholesome. The King of Theives theory, may happen- but I'm going to assume that his father was already part of such organization before the Genie entered it and Aladdin became a Prince with Jasmine thus fulfilling such wish. I do enjoy the other theories of Genie being a time travelor/ explorer of other dimensions due to all his pop culture references.
I'm surprised you didn't point out that in "Return of Jafar" it was proven that a genie CAN manipulate the granting of a wish to his own interpretation rather than what the master was thinking.
Yeah, the family-friendly version of some horror movie. Maybe, "Wish Master"? 🤨
Like all genies. There is a lot of things in stories that grant wishes that you have to be specific in your wish or it will be something you didn’t want at all.
As an Arab person who grew up surrounded by folklore tales firsthand, “Alaadin and the wonderful lamp” is a story associated with the book [One thousand and one nights] added later by a Frenchman famously known as the first European translator of the book (& he sure not the last lmfao). Anyway interpreting an -OUT-OF-CONTEXT- characters from the frame-story is an everlasting cliffhanger, this is literally the most unambiguous takeaway from the story ! 💔🤭😂 It’s so adorable western people still contributing their fan-fiction to a fictional story for centuries ! Wouldn’t be easier if anyone put it back in context once and for all to find the most satisfying & entertaining closure ? It’s maybe the only book in history that combines comedy, true crime, adventure, graphic elements, politics, philosophy/religion and get this EVEN ER*TICA centuries ago before “50 shades of middle age white British lady” 🔞🚬😎
Well most genies much like fairies aren't interested in helping people. The sneaky undertone should be expected. That's why you have to be specific with your wishes.
I like these theories. But you should check out the Aladdin TV series. They show Genie’s original master. He controlled Genie through fear and was a really evil person. That could also explain why Genie was “evil”. You become a product of your surroundings.
Aladdin wished to be a Prince. Not a ruler.
I prefer the theory of the genie taking the whole movie to fulfill Aladdin's wish of becoming a prince by havign him marry Jasmine. No one ever said Wishes have to be granted in an instant.
the rule about death is more of an advice: I can bring your loved one back to life, but It will be a horrible being, a decayed abomination and won't be what you expect
I want to point out another theory. WHAT IF Genie didn't turn his father in to the King of Thieves, he already was the King of Thieves. Genie granted the wish thinking it WOULD make him a Prince. BUT not know he already was one, just ended up making him look like one. It would make everything much more odd, while keeping Genie in character. It would effectively be Genie admitting to mucking up a wish accidentally because he didn't know. It would also be hinting at the later movies.
Genies are ussually very sneaky. Not just they whant the freedom. Some genies are in perpers grands a wish what example the master didnt whant it, but they said loudly, making a Genie an exuse that they thought it was a wish. Whitch the wish might go wrong or better. We see Genie here that he trys to be sneaky like how every Genie are, but instead Aladinn trick him by hiding the lamp while Genie is granding him a wish, and Aladinn is the one who trick him making Genie thinks Aladdin has still 3 wishes. You forgot original Aladinn.
One final question (so to speak). What if Genie's betrayal was not only for vengeance, but to convince Aladin that the use of wishes, not only benefits Aladin, but used against him? If Aladin did not set Genie free, then Genie's power could be problematic.
Under this theory, that actually makes a lot of sense!
Waaaaaaah I can't believe it,it shows me a whole different side of genie...
How do you discover these things 😭😭😭
i keep on thinking about genie being evil or the villian telling aladdin not to say that he won't wish for more wishes, saying that hecan't kill anyone, bring people back from the dead and make someone fall in love with that person.
Have to say first wish about the king of thieves theory I do not think that he put Aladdin father in trouble rather the father was already in trouble and that wish could have saved the father's life without knowing it.
This theory:
Me, who knows that the person at the start of the movie is actually aladdin who is a pedophile, pervert and murderer who hates raisins:
If you look at the second Aladdin movie, Jafar actually shows just how cunning a genie could be and just how much free will they have. Genie has been at it for centuries, but Jafar being quite smart caught onto the tricks and loopholes much sooner
I would go with Grnie being something nore like Chaotic Neutral than really Evil in any way. He looks out for his own, and mostly does things his way, free will or no, and he knows more than a couple tricks to temporarily "untie his hands" like saving Aladdin by "assuming" his suggested wish was desired even though Al was not conscious enough to give true consent, using an otherwise disingenuous gesture. Interestingly enough, this act displays he was still constrained by some rules but like most genies knew how to divide the letter from the spirit of the phrase, and despite this gave Aladdin mostly correct interpretations of what he wanted, despite being the vaguest wishes one could give. Meanwhile when helping Jafar, the instructions were clear enough the constraint of his rules kept him from denying the wish while also he did the bare minimum needed to grant it. Interpretation was always a genie's wiggle room in their bondage, no different here.
The movie clearly makes it a point to show that the peddler only tells the story of the lamp once the customer/audience begins to walk away having no interest in buying anything, as a last ditch effort to convince them to buy something and only then shows the lamp which he had been hiding on his person the entire time instead of with the rest of the stuff he had for sale, seemingly not wanting to part ways with it unless it was absolutely necessary, so if his plan was to sell the lamp in order to free himself, why hide it at all to begin with? Not only that but how would someone purchasing the lamp grant him his freedom?? If anything this would cause whoever purchases the lamp to become the genies new master which is the last thing the genie would want happening as he'd have no choice but to obey them, so the only way he would not only let someone get the lamp, but even try to convince them to do so would be if he was already freed from the lamp and had only kept it around for sentimental reasons. After watching a couple of this channels videos it's undeniable that basically every video is essentially nothing more than terrible fanfiction written by a teenager just to appear "edgy", and not a single one has anything to back up the claim that what's being discussed is a remotely plausible conclusion that someone actually came to whatsoever.
Well if you've ever read stories about genies aka jinn (or djinn) you'd know they're tricksters. According to Britannica, "Jinn delight in punishing humans for any harm done them, intentionally or unintentionally, and are said to be responsible for many diseases and all kinds of accidents; however, those human beings knowing the proper magical procedure can exploit the jinn to their advantage."
1 of my favorite horror movie series is Wishmaster which is about an evil genie trying to take over the world along w/ his brethren! The 1st 2 star Andrew Divoff as the Djinn & the last 2 star John Novak as the Djinn.
Sorry if you watched the movie for the first part then you would know the salesman was telling you the story of Aladdin so the genie wasn't evil there.its just there wasn't any use for the lamp now.keeping in mind I'm sure that jafar got this own lamp.
From what I’ve read and seen and everything don’t genies usually Grant wishes with a caveat? They don’t usually just give you what you outright want it is always given to you with a downside something huge sometimes so I can totally see the genie being evil
Genie did more than dress him up gave him servers and gold remember the song when al was coming to town
Wait so if the narrator in this is the genie/peddler and in live action genie is also the narrator woah I've never known genie was the peddler my mind is fried
I think that Genie actually has free will in a way, as long as the wish gives him the opportunity.
Because what did Aladdin wish for? To be a prince. Well, that's not very precise. When did he want to become a prince? Right now? In a week? In a few years? What kind of prince does he want to be? Of a big kingdom or a small one? First-born or second-born? Do you really want the royal house to exist or do you just want to look like a prince? Etc. etc.
So it is the wish itself "Genie, make a prince out of me!" that gives Genie complete power over Aladdin here and gives him complete freedom of choice. So if Genie wasn't such a nice guy, he could have used the wish against Aladdin through the complete freedom of interpretation, just as Jaffar does in the second movie.
About the three rules: Genie does set rules for the wishes, but I think that if someone nevertheless wishes someone back from the dead, for example, he still have to obey. So he is merely pointing out that such wishes do not make one happy. Whether Genie's master then takes this into account or not is up to the person himself.
For example, when Jaffar wishes to be the most powerful wizard and then to be Genie himself, Genie does not want to grant the wishes, but does so anyway.
I think the only real rule that Genie is subject to is that everyone has only three wishes. Either because that is a cosmic rule and the number three is a magic number. Or Genie was once free and was banished to the lamp and "cursed" to be eternally bound to the bottle and to grant wishes to every owner of the lamp. The only way to escape is for the owner of the lamp to wish Genie free. And to prevent this, Genie has been given the rule that he can only use his powers to grant three wishes to arouse the owner's greed and selfishness.
Me who loves Genie: I am aware the council has made a decision, but given that is a stupid-@$$ decision, I’ve elected to ignore it.
If you look at the mythology with genies though, their wish making is similar to that corrupt a wish game. You can get your wish but it comes at a cost. Look at Once Upon a Time. And then in the LA of the movie, Genie even tells Aladdin that he needs to be very specific with wishing.
Also, the director stated that they used architypes when making the movie. Genie was blue with some reds. Blue in the movie was symbolism for good. Reds was symbolism for evil, and purple was neutral.
Genie is the one telling the story. The beginning of the story is really the end when Aladdin let Genie Free. That’s hell he was able to transform to the man in the beginning.
It also kind of makes sense that he meet up the his own rules because in the original fairy tale of Aladdin and the genie the genie he finds in the lamp is has unlimited power and Aladdin gets unlimited wishes and the genie refuses to give up being a genie and be freed from the land because then he would lose all his power
I just thought that the Genie did grant Aladdin's wish since Aladdin got to be with Jasmine at the end.
I read that you can tell their true nature of the jinn by their skin colour. Blue's good, green's more mischievous, and red's evil. And that detail's actually been shown in the Aladdin movies and tv series. (Genie, Jafar, and Eden.)
Also, for rule 3 he meant wishing people back from the dead back will only cause the zombie apocalypse. They won't be brought back to life, they'll just be mindless reanimated walking corpses that'll eat you alive.
I never really saw Eden as being any more mischievous as Genie. Genie has bent the rules on wishes himself, and has shown himself to have a mischievous side. One of the first wishes Eden grants is turning a childs wish for a sandwich into the child never being hungry again showing a desire to do good and help the kid by giving the child more than what they could think up themself since the little girl was too humble and innocent to think big. Sounds like a genie that's a good person to me, since a more mischievous genie would turn a wish negative, or self serving not make it even more positive for the person who asked for the wish. It shows to me that she has a desire to help others outside of what she's forced to do as a servant, and wanted to make sure the kid would be okay even after she's gone.
@@sardonicus1739 When dealing with people she liked, yes. When she first met Genie, she tried to get rid of him, thinking he was trying to steal her master, and when dealing with Abysmal, she exploited whatever excuse she could think of to screw him over, showing that she was tricky and at least somewhat mischievous. And who knows what she might've been like before that. (But yeah, she might be better suited to being a blue genie, even by Disney standards.)
The peddler talks about the lamp’s story in the past tense though.
I think it’s safer to say that he’s neutral. Only doing things that benefit himself…
i always thought Iago was the villain of the movie... he was the one who gave jafar the idea to marry jasmine and rule agrabah...
the character that narrates the film is actually his own separate character, it's been shown in the animated series that he does exist as his own character and isn't an extension of Genie.
Aren't genies based off djinn?? The whole bases for be careful what you wish for??because any wish you make will be granted in the worse way possible like the old monkeypaw story?
Unless his dad being the king of thieves is the reason the wish didn't go through. Can't make someone something they already are.
Every since I was little I always thought the lantern guy at the beginning of the movie was gennie and assume it was true and everyone also thought the same .
. _. Kinda surprised its actually a theory not intirely cannon until the creator said it is
His father abandoned his son. He also may have taught him petty theft to survive. His father I believe got a promotion at work and couldn’t come back to his family. He could have given Al’s mother money to set them up somewhere but she died.
His father may have got his last promotion aka made King of Thieves by genie. But his father was already a member of the group so he would face the same issues regardless.
_I wonder what happened to the animation with the last two films…_
No, I think they had the "king of theives" thing backwards. Genie couldn't make Al a prince, cause he was already a prince. Cause of his father being the king of thieves. It was an impossible wish. So Genie did the next best thing, make him look and feel like a prince.
Wow you are almost entirely convinced me im impressed..
hahaha...I wonder why they didn't just give Jasmine the lamp, so they could have three wishes again...at least with jasmine's three wishes, they could give Aladin a decent identity and free the genie on the way.
The Cardinal rules of the genie are; They can’t kill, they cannot make anyone fall in love with anyone else, they cannot bring people back to life after they die, they cannot allow the person making the wishes to wish for more wishes, and they absolutely cannot allow the finder to wish for Power over others and Untold Riches. Also, there is a final rule that the genies all must live by; If the finder ever wishes to become a genie like them, they are bound by the following rule; “A Genie who grants a finder’s wish to become a genie is to be confined to their lamp and locked up for at least a thousand years.”
I always said he’s not really a prince unless his bloodline is changed lol
I think the genie was cunning and only had freedom in his mind at the begining but grew to like Aladin at some point, otherwise he is unlikely o come back from his travels
How about 'diamond in the rough' Aladdin was a prince to begin with the son of the King of thieves but because he didn't know it didn't mean Genie didn't so dressing him up was all he needed to do to polish said diamond, still didn't grant the wish, but Aladdin didn't know that.
It probably would have been too hard for them to basically fake being a king as long as a rich.... And claim to come from somewhere else...
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I wouldn't say in this context genie is evil, rather he desperate to escape the lamp and be free from it, like most genies in lore. And when you that desperate you do what ever it takes, even scamming people who don't deserve it.
And in the show he more than makes up for it when he aids them
Is this voiced by Aurelio Voltaire??? 😂😂😂 the likeness is uncanny
The peddler told the story of Aladdin to someone just to get them to free him from the lamp in the story but idk 😶
In the beginning when Genie is trying to sell the the lamp as the peddler he is already free but that doesn't mean the lamp is useless because when Jafar is turned into a genie himself we see him get pulled into a lamp so when he was trying to sell the lamp what if it was Jafars lamp and the reason he would sell it is because then he would not only get rid of the lamp but also Jafar who is the new genie therefore making history repeat itself.
In other words, he woild be a "normal"genie , from most folkkore about genies.
If Genie was the street peddler, how did he get out to BE him?? I thought his lamp has to be rubbed in order for him to come out?? So where is the person that let him out so he could be the street peddler??
Well technically, the seller was telling a story that already happened. And at the last one, Jafar said “For my last wish, I wish to be an all powerful genie” So genie was already on the last wish for Jafar. But because Aladdin didn’t use his last wish, he was still bound to him. Hence why he didn’t return into the lamp
So Jennie is modern day equivalent of media houses?
The gold cuffs are technically chaincuffs to them if you saw the cuffs break off Genie when Aladdin freed him. yes he’s free but he can only stay near his master or in the lamp so he’s not free free.
Actually, he doesn't even need the lamp, he only keeps it because it's rent free living space.
Technically speaking can't bring anyone back from the dead he just reanimate the body which means he's not lying and he doesn't like doing it because it's gross cuz he can actually bring back the soul of the person putting them back is how they used to be
Not buying it. Just because Genie says he doesn’t like to bring someone back from the dead doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it when commanded. He’s very smart and tricky but that doesn’t make him evil. Magic, like everything else and even for Genie has consequences. So Genie making Aladdin’s father Prince if Thieves may have been the only viable way to make Aladdin a Prince at that very moment. Him having free will doesn’t mean he can go against a direct command so he was still compelled to do what Jafar commanded.
He looks like dwight from " The Office "...
really? The black goatee? THE GUY HAS 4 FINGERS... there are dozens of other Agrabah denizens with a black goatee, but no other with a complete hand AND 4 fingers
I'm typically one for these types of videos...new theories and angles and all, but this whole video seemed like a stretch, except for the Genie being the peddler. 🤔
I mean he did say he had no choice and the bracelets make him listen to any master that has the lamp, genie is more like a god/magical creature he doesn't know bad or good, righteousness or evil he is trapped there with cosmic power and a collar. So he had no choice but to grant the wishes no mater how evil they might be at hand.
So genie is interestingly much more of a djinn stereotype than you're led to believe as a kid
I guess that genie is kinda evil...but not because of the film itself, it is more because genies are described in books as evil manipulating tricksters. However this must not be true, books/paper can only tell us what humans wrote and most of the time humans do not understand magical creatures, nature, gods or even other humans correct and so they writing nonsense they believe is true. For this movie i just think that this character is just fun to watch😁😁
I think the genie could be and probably is sneaky but I don’t think he’s bad.
Jafar is second rate to the sultan and The sultans advisor. The sultan trusts Jafar , but Jafar is evil. And all Jafar ever wanted was to take the place of the Salton and Mary princess Jasmine. Also to invade princess Jasmine's mother's country. Simply because supposedly Jasmine's mother's country wasn't cooperating. Cooperating over whatever the treaty between agrabah and princess Jasmine's mother's country was. So Jafar didn't want to just conquer agrabah. but he also wanted to conquer princess Jasmine's mother's country. As well
Free will can be interpreted two ways. The manner that is missed in this discourse is the freeing of ones own will to the will of God.
Sooooo you never watched the live version of the movie?! If you did, you'd realize why most of your supporting evidence doesn't make sense.
This is narrated by a hired actor, right? Not by the person who wrote it.
ask the creators and hear what they said
I don't think so. The Genie at the end as the peddler was telling the story about Aladdin and how he got free.
Nice try though. LOL.
Haven't watched the movie in a while, but doesn't Alladin become a prince by getting with Jasmine?
What Sin did Genie do to be imprisoned and he had to gain penance by being a Slave to another Man.
If that is true, then why was Ginie helping Aladdin, explain that plus the Ginie was giving him really good advice about friendship and how to get a girlfriend the right way so you're theory doesn't work
Well there is no creature mythical one that is that could fill the genies role other than a Djin a trickster that grants wishes
They could be found in ‘the Witcher’ as creatures stuck in magical attic acts thanks to magic while yes found in the Witcher they are really a irl mythical creature
Plus genie and djin sound similar at the start
From what I understand about Djinn and genie, they are one and the same being. Genie is the corrupted form of Djinn when it was brought over and used in the english language. It is like tea and chai, both mean the same thing just depends on what trade route it was imported through when it came through europe/ other countries. So chai tea is literally tea tea.
The Villain In Aladdin is not genie jafar’s the villain of Aladdin
Why do they keep calling him a Genie he's a Djin, not a Genie a genie is a female Djin
THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL THAT GENIE IS THE VILLIAN IN ALADDIN. JAFAR IS THE VILLIAN THESE FILM THEORIES SUCK
Villain*
And please stop shouting
@@thevozhd9846 Nope not the villian
@@thing1thing2themediamaniac43 villain*
And i agree
@@thevozhd9846 I'm confused
You misspelled villain Josh, you spelled it villian
Anyone else noticed that Aladdin never really used any wishes in the animated or live action film?
He did definitely say, "I wish for you to make me a prince," since Genie told him he had to make it official, and he also said, "Genie, I wish you free," before Genie asked him to repeat/clarify, and Aladdin said, the second time, "Genie, you're free."
@@segevstormlord3713 what I mean is that was the only wish he used he never said I wish since until he set genie free
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The one part of your theory that I take issue with is the assumption that just because Genie had some free will he is evil because he obeyed Jafar when Jafar first held the lamp. You also take issue with genie having free will and therefore choosing whether to obey or not. As I see it, genie does have free will in that he is able to protest any wish put to him--but that he HAS to fulfill the wish in SOME WAY. In other words, genie's will is free but by the power of the curse his ACTIONS are not. He HAS to obey the command, but has enough free will to decide just HOW he will obey it. Therefore, Genie's freedom of action is bound by the WAY THE WISH IS FRAMED. So had I the lamp and commanded genie to build me a castle he would be able to decide where the castle was, how many rooms it had, how they were decorated or not, and on and on and on. Had I said I wanted a castle with 46 rooms decorated in medieval French style, with a 1950s kitchen and an internet service that's what Genie would give me--but he'd still be able to choose the colors of decor, the size of the rooms, and how many of the remaining 45 rooms (minus the kitchen) were bedrooms. He could choose to omit bathrooms entirely. But he would have to deliver a castle with 46 rooms, etc.
If Jafar demanded an evil deed, and he spelled out exactly how it was to be done, Genie would have no choice but to obey. We know from Jafar's behavior he would be capable of framing his wish VERY exactly. Under the coercion of the wish Genie would have no choices. A person under coercion can not be held guilty for their actions. Hence the verdict: Not Evil, regardless of what Jafar forced him to do.
Ugh. I wish you wouldn’t bring in the sequels. Not only are they awful, but the animation quality is so incredibly inferior it’s annoying to look at, especially when directly compared to the original. I wish we call could just agree that if it didn’t get a theatrical release (back before streaming and the pandemic) then it’s not canon. It’s just like crappy fan fiction.
Don’t balive
I thieck gein was a good gie
villian lol
That's one of the worst theory that I ever saw.
How fre