What bugs me about this scene is that Shepherd simply says "We lost another Salarian" - Uh, no, that was Captain/Major Kirrahe - He's more than just 'another Salarian'. Thankfully in my official playthrough he survived ME1 as did Thane in ME2, so Kirrahe is alive and well, probably giving some post-reaper speech somewhere.
Moral of the video: save and visit Thane, so you can watch a nearly dead drell almost kill a healthy, Indoctrinated assassin, still have the badass Kirrahe on your side, and have something awesome to say when you kill Kai Leng.
A healthy indoctrinated assassin WITH ENHANCED IMPLANTS... Says it all really, if Thane wasn't ill, he would have been offering Kai Leng's balls to Kalaheerah for forgiveness.
John PW against an Drell who only uses his fist to reflect an freaking sword. Kai Leng is Thane's bitch. If Thane just have had an sword too then i beat Kai Leng would be an bloody mess on the ground.
Kirrahe was the most straightforward and earnest character in my ME trilogy. He made a promise and kept it - twice: He fucking held the line. Respect for the salarian.
It's funnier if you bring Liara who has shown the ability to slow down a fall biotically (lair of the shadow broker dlc). Honest, a biotic Shepard would be able to pretty much do more things if not downgraded for cutscenes (like saving Victus' son from that fall while removing the trigger of the bomb, Shepard could just have pulled him or "throw a singularity at his ass"). And in this cutscene, Garrus or InflitratorShep putting a bullet between the eyes of Kai Leng isn't too far fetched
compare lengh of these conversations: Shepard: We lost another salarian Shepard: We lost Kirrahe, damn it. Bailey: Who's Kirrahe? Shepard: Salarian who helped me destroy Saren's breeding facility on Virmire, he just gave his life for the councilor... Bailey: Alright, well, we've got bigger issues right now, get in the cab and.....
So presumably to get this Thane has to either be dead or you didn't visit him in the hospital, AND Kirrahe has to be alive. That's a fairly unlikely set of conditions! Still, poor guy deserved more of a badass death than that.
Pretty late reply but considering how many things can go wrong in the suicide mission to get Thane killed, while Kirrahe just requires you to make a right turn and blow up some drones (which you may just do automatically), it isn't that unlikely.
@@YourCrazyDolphin Actually, saving Kirrahe is more unlikely than getting everyone out of the Suicide Mission, or at least I'd expect so given the facts about the mission. There's only one mistake that anyone is likely to make in the Suicide Mission if they've done the Loyalty missions and gotten the 3 main Normandy upgrades, both of which the game specifically tells you to do several times in different ways. The choice in the Suicide Mission that doesn't present an obvious answer (in fact, gives you very misleading information) is who to send as the Normandy Escort. The game has characters specifically say in this section that the Normandy crew are unarmed and will never make it on their own and you need to send someone to keep them safe. This would make you assume that you need to send an experienced or powerful fighter to protect them. I sent Grunt, who's literally the biggest gun on your team, there's literally no contest, he's pure power, he literally has no other strength or advantage. What the game literally never tells you is that each character has a hidden "defense rating" that decides how likely they are to survive the segment after the next one. The game also doesn't tell you that literally ANY character you choose to escort the Normandy crew is 100% successful with 0 casualties. So I picked one of the 3 strongest characters (4 Defense rating) out of my squad to do a completely pointless task, and because the game also didn't tell me they wouldn't be able to come back, he's also permanently gone from the mission. In the "Hold The Line" segment, you need at least 2 characters with a defense rating of 4. The rest of the characters will make up the rest of the points no matter who you take with you. I picked Garrus as one of my personal squad mates, leaving Zaeed the only one with a defense rating of 4. This resulted in Mordin being the only one to die in the Suicide Mission. Every other choice in the Suicide Mission presents at least 2 or more "Perfect" options, where nobody dies at all as long as everybody's had their loyalty missions completed, which you again should have done because the game specifically tells you to every time, with MANY more non-specific indications in the form of characters telling you that "we're going to lose people to the Collectors". That, and the choices themselves are incredibly obvious with who that selection of characters are. For the first choice, you are specifically told to pick a hacker. Mordin is the only character out of 4 with hacking experience that does NOT get a 100% success result if loyal, the correct options are Tali, Legion and Kasumi. Tali's whole thing is hacking, Legion is a literal Supercomputer AI and Kasumi is literally ONLY on the team for her skills as a master thief who can break any "unbreakable" security, even Collector security that nobody has any experience with for some reason. The next choice is who should lead the second squad, and the game straight-up tells you one of the correct options, Miranda. And if you don't want to pick her, she gives you a description of the kind of person you should pick, and the only two people who have experience with leading a live fireteam (Mordin has only led espionage teams) is Garrus. While I don't think it's said specifically, you could assume that a man of Zaeed's age, skill and profession has led a team before, but Garrus' entire arc in this game revolves around the fact he led a team at one point. If you're not picking Miranda, it's because you like Garrus more, and who doesn't? The next choice you have to make is who will *continue* to lead the second diversion squad, and the choices are the same as before. We've already been through the Normandy Escort, so the next choice is who to choose as the Biotic to go with you through the Seeker vents. There are two characters who will get a 100% success rating when Loyal, and this is out of five options. These are Jack and Samara/Morinth. Jack is so confidently the galaxy's strongest biotic that she's on the team despite how much she hates Cerberus (most of the crew) for torturing her as a child AND is incredibly violent and has a history of massacring groups and organizations that wrong her. We are THAT certain her Biotic abilities are worth it. Samara is an Asari, and they are naturally some of the best Biotics in the galaxy due to their complete and total control over their nervous system, so she's an obvious choice. Thane, no. Jacob. No. Not even going to explain those. Miranda will get a single squad mate killed during this section. It's easy to think of her genetic modification in the fact that she was grown/created, not born, to be superior to a normal human in every way and assume that she's a good choice for this section, but the chances of you choosing her over the other two options are very small unless Miranda is your favourite out of those 3, which is again very unlikely. If Mordin is alive at the time of the Hold The Line segment (he should be, there's no way to get him killed unless you've intentionally gotten as many people killed as possible, or you picked him for one of the other segments and/or didn't complete his loyalty mission), then he's the character that dies if ANYONE dies at all, everyone else is fine. So that's the mechanics of the Suicide Mission taken care of, I'll be very quick at explaining the mechanics of saving Kirrahe in Mass Effect 1. Seriously, that's not a joke, they're VERY simple. There are 3 (I think, maybe 4) objectives that can be completed that affect the survival of Kirrahe and his crew. All 3 (maybe 4) of these objectives have to be completed, and I know this because I completed 2 of them in the playthrough on my channel and he and his entire crew were killed. One of them is to disable the communications tower, another is to direct the facility's alarms to your side of the facility and away from Kirrahe, drawing attention away from his team, and the last one is the one you pointed out, which is to destroy the fuel supply of a squad of refueling drones that are harassing Kirrahe and his men. This was the one that I missed, and it's because it's off the beaten path way off to the right in one of the battle zones, and if you try to flank the enemies by coming in from the left, you're likely to miss it. In summary, it's way more likely to get Kirrahe killed and Thane alive. There are more ways to get Thane killed, but the chances of doing them either accidentally are incredibly narrow, while Kirrahe is almost guaranteed to be a second-playthrough rescue. Even then only if you accidentally play it differently or look up how to save him, because if you missed the drones the first time, you may end up doing the same the second time because the game doesn't tell or show you that he was killed by drones. Personally, I like reading comments like this because there's a lot to break down and it's interesting, but I know a lot of people hate text walls. I hope you enjoyed it anyway
I think that's just the VA. Jennifer Hale does a better job, haven't noticed too many slip-ups on pronunciation from her as compared to Mark Meer's. Mark is also way too monotone to me, FemShep sounds way more threatening in some situations lol
Aww i was kind of expecting him to have a duel with the assassin like Thane did...such a weird way to die, i mean, was he like just standing there? because it didnt look like he jumped to block the shot and if so, why didnt he punch the guy or something instead of just taking the shot to the chest?
Even worse is that those hand blasters are super weak and even on highest difficulty need several shots to get through your shields. Kirrahe should not have died from that especially since his armor was clearly functional.
no one ever had shields in a cut scenes in mass effect :( I get why, they sorta spoil the dramatic tension of stand offs and remove the impact of someone getting shot. But still, just ignoring them is a lazy solution.
To those asking why Kirrahe 'just stood there' or 'didn't attack Kai'- you see/hear him arrive/cloak/move infront of Kai to take the bullet for the councillor JUST before he fired it. There is no indication he was in the room the 'entire time' at all. It is safe to assume that he had no opportunity to attack, arrived late, saw Shepherd wasn't in a good spot to take a shot, so manned up and meat-shielded the councillor rather than risk something that could get the councillor or others killed. After all, his favourite weapon is the Scorpion (you know, EXPLODING BULLETS) - which you can see him firing at the car. Not exactly something you want to be popping off in a room full of people you want to protect. Still, he held that line.
That sound effect is just Kai charging the shot. Kirrahe's animation very clearly shows that he was standing still before getting shot, and you can't just say hardware or engine limitations considering that Conrad is perfectly capable of diving in front of Shepard to take a bullet in a damn side-quest. Kirrahe had been standing there for long enough to fire.
Kai Leng might have looked and sounded like a 14 years old's self insert mary sue, but his power to turn Shepard into a complete moron when he's around was through the roof...
I feel more sorry for Kirrahe here than Thane. Thane redeemed himself in his death, using his skills to save a live instead of taking one. Kirrahe still had his mission, it wasn't his time yet.
@@bighomienate9807 - No, he was minimizing collateral damage while carrying out his contract to take someone's life. There's a difference, because he was actively killing mercs, even if he was preventing others from losing their lives. In his last act, there was no contract, he didn't kill anybody, and prevented someone's death.
okay but his job was to kill the Asari, not to prevent casualties... he could've let those people die in pursuit of his target but instead he chose to make sure they lived thru the ordeal, just because it wasn't his initial task doesn't mean it didn't happen... and as far as the mercs bro if you work for the bad guy your expendable, that's Hero vs Villain 101... besides one way to help people is to kill other people... ... or whatever the fuck Morin Solus said...
HE HELD THE LINE! My favorite character died. :( And all shepard can say is.. "another salarian"?? Shame on you shepard! He is NOT just another Salarian!
+Morg Cook no, he Held that line. He stood Point Blank in front of an assassin and was the Last LINE of defense for the Councilor. She survived....because he dared to Hold The Line.
You see/hear him arrive just before Kai fires. His weapon of choice also happens to shoot explosive bullets - not something you want to be popping off in a room full of people you want to save. Only option was to hold the line... With his chest.
Shoot the satellites leading into the base, take out the enemies inside the base instead of sending them to him, and choose to leave whoever is with the bomb.
I seem to remember this scene playing out a little differently when I got it, with Kirrahe's last words being, "Tell them I...held the line." Am I crazy?
I like that Kirahee takes that bullet like a boss but the question has to be asked...if he had a gun anyway, why didn't he just pop Kai Leng in the head when he was cloaked?
Spineless? The guy went on a drastically undermanned suicide mission against Saren, had the balls to eat a full point-blank shot to the chest for a councillor (if you don't have Thane), chooses to support the fight for Earth no matter what his superiors decide... Spineless. Pfff.
Why does everyone go stupid and throw their lives away here? Thane could've shot him from across the room, but chooses to get into a knife fight instead. Kirrahe could've surprise-tackled and subdued him, but chooses to stand there and be a meat shield.
ehhh why did Kirrahe just stand there? If Kai Leng new he was there he would not have shot just him. So he did not know he was there. And in that Case Could Kirrahe not have done something more useful then just bodyblock the round... If not able to Kill Kai Leng outright he could probably atleast have been able to disrupt him to the point where nobody died but Kai leng still got away.
You see/hear him arrive just before Kai fires. His weapon of choice also happens to shoot explosive bullets - not something you want to be popping off in a room full of people you want to save. Only option was to hold the line... With his chest.
You should read the Codex. The Kinetic Shield are programmed to protect the user if an object is moving towards him or her at a certain speed. It's why they can, for example, shake hands with shields still on. However, if the agressor is too close, like Kai Leng was here, the shields simply can't react in time to stop the bullets. It's what happened here.
Kirrahe can survive ME1? What? I thought he was just a temporary side character like the krogan guy you kill in Grunt's loyalty mission. He plays a larger role if he lives?
Yes you just have to do as much as you can so he survives like destroy the antenna and the fuel port and later on in the mission dont send more troops to his team and he will be there after the mission
AzureKite619 Save the squaddie you sent with Kirrahe, otherwise he gets left behind along with the squaddie. So that means the squaddie arming the bomb gets it.
***** I sent kaidan with kirrahe, but then chose ashley. Kirrahe survived all 3 games for me, I just did everything else to keep him alive. The squaddie doesn't matter. (also, sick dp man, awesome series)
***** Hmm, I suppose. I prefer it that way though because it seems to make more sense for them to survive if you go and help out the squadmate that's with the Salarians.
Also, remember that Kirrahe says if there are any ways you can help them against the Geth, that you should. There's fuel tanks, satellites, and the communications terminal you can destroy. If you do those 3, fight the enemies at the base instead of sending them off with the alarm system, AND leave the person at the bomb behind, he lives. If you do all of that but go back for the person at the bomb, Kirrahe dies, since he's always at that position and gets overrun with your other member. Try it.
Rest easy, sleep well my brothers. Know the line has held, your job is done. Rest easy, sleep well. Others have taken up where you fell, the line has held. Peace, peace, and farewell...
The description contains false information, just sayin'. You're not *forced* to kill Ashley/Kaiden if none of the two who can save the councilor were dead. You can Charm that person, although I can't confirm if that only is if they are your LI.
Yeah, honestly, I'm not sure there's any way to "fail" any of the Charm/Intimidate speech options in the third game. The thresholds for success were set SUPER low. On my pure Renegade playthrough, I had the most minimal amount of Paragon points you probably could have, and every Charm option I ran into was still open to me.
on virmire when you start the push towards the base go to all the side areas on the way and take out a communication hub, a geth fighter fuel station and a few others and he will live.
Kai Leng has a top-of-the-line Cutscene Logic Field Generator in his gauntlet; Cerberus was just perfecting the tech when Shepard told TIM to shove it and left. It renders even main characters helpless against the villain in the first two acts of the game, much less secondary characters. The Major never stood a chance.
I accidentally got this because my game didn’t save right. I had thane alive, but it didn’t register that I had talked to him. I was really salty because thanes death is just off screen and he doesn’t get his heroic death
The other variable is that it can be either squadmate but in order to save kirrahe you have to rescue whichever one is held down at the turret (where kirrahe's force is) not the bombsite.
"I don't think medi-gel is gonna cover it"... Fuck that! Give him medi-gel, give him all of it, and keep giving it to him until he's either dead or jumping.
@adjhd1 Kirrahe was the leader of the Salarian squad on Virmire, who led an assault alongside your stealthier mission. He dies, however, if you do not provide adequate support for his squad. As for Thane, I wouldn't know where he is.
Before the diplomat, there were soldiers! Our influence stopped the assassin, but before that, we held the line! Now your influence stops the Cerberus, but in the battle today, YOU, WILL, HOLD THE LINE!
*Shepard shoots glass, jumps down and lands with his superhuman body to break the fall* Any party members with biotic powers: *Jumps and glides down with biotic powers* Everyone else: *Takes the stairs* Grunt: *Charges at window, trips over the edge, falls face down to the ground creating a crater* "he he he"
In the end.... HE HELD. THE FUCKING. LINE.
AMEN
He certainly did he held it with his whole body
What bugs me about this scene is that Shepherd simply says "We lost another Salarian" - Uh, no, that was Captain/Major Kirrahe - He's more than just 'another Salarian'. Thankfully in my official playthrough he survived ME1 as did Thane in ME2, so Kirrahe is alive and well, probably giving some post-reaper speech somewhere.
"Hold the line"
***** Yeah, that's cold. It also doesn't make much sense to me that Kirrahe wouldn't use his invisibility to attack Kai Leng.
***** Even if he did, Kai Leng probably would have taken him out anyways. He is an elite Cerberus assassin, after all.
The Real J Boss and he's got cutscene powers. Can't win with that.
The Real J Boss If he's unaware of his presence, he could've just shot him in the head...
Moral of the video: save and visit Thane, so you can watch a nearly dead drell almost kill a healthy, Indoctrinated assassin, still have the badass Kirrahe on your side, and have something awesome to say when you kill Kai Leng.
He still says "That was for Kirrahe, you son of a bitch!"
A healthy indoctrinated assassin WITH ENHANCED IMPLANTS... Says it all really, if Thane wasn't ill, he would have been offering Kai Leng's balls to Kalaheerah for forgiveness.
John PW against an Drell who only uses his fist to reflect an freaking sword. Kai Leng is Thane's bitch. If Thane just have had an sword too then i beat Kai Leng would be an bloody mess on the ground.
If Thane wasn't crippled by his disease, he would have wiped the floor with his ass. Fuck Kai Leng.
Delmare Thane jokes about it on his deathbed
....He held the line. God speed Kirrahe.......you magnificent son of a bitch
. . . not much for bravado, chest pounding. Personally prefer get job done and go home . . .
Now if he were to mention "holding the line" i'd have cried like a dammed baby
"I held the line, now you must cross is"
@@blackheartthedarklord6428 YO
@@blackheartthedarklord6428 - That woulda been an awesome one-liner.
Kirrahe was the most straightforward and earnest character in my ME trilogy. He made a promise and kept it - twice: He fucking held the line. Respect for the salarian.
One of two salarians that are worthy of respect other being mordin solas
everyone in ME1: Kee-Ra-Hee
everyone in ME2: Kee-Ra-Hee
Shepard in ME3: Ker-Ah-Hay
Shepard: [shoots glass and jumps down a storey to face Kai Leng]
Squadmates: Uh, we'll take the stairs.
They probably don't have cybernetic knees.
It's funnier if you bring Liara who has shown the ability to slow down a fall biotically (lair of the shadow broker dlc). Honest, a biotic Shepard would be able to pretty much do more things if not downgraded for cutscenes (like saving Victus' son from that fall while removing the trigger of the bomb, Shepard could just have pulled him or "throw a singularity at his ass"). And in this cutscene, Garrus or InflitratorShep putting a bullet between the eyes of Kai Leng isn't too far fetched
@@leonpeu6709 Good point. Garrus absolutely would have been able to snipe his ass dead right then.
@@leonpeu6709 Sheperds canon class is "soldier". That's why he's like that in cutscenes
Goodbye Kirrahe, you held the line.
"We lost another salarian" the fuck?
+aperturesciencegames Bailey wouldn't know who Kirrahe is, so "another Salarian" is quick and easy.
Richard Merrick Just.... damn that's cold for Kirrahe though.
+aperturesciencegames i know right
compare lengh of these conversations:
Shepard: We lost another salarian
Shepard: We lost Kirrahe, damn it.
Bailey: Who's Kirrahe?
Shepard: Salarian who helped me destroy Saren's breeding facility on Virmire, he just gave his life for the councilor...
Bailey: Alright, well, we've got bigger issues right now, get in the cab and.....
Just Petrusion Just an exclaim of NO or a post mission memorial scene, that's not a lot to ask for Hold The Line MAN
Kirrahe is the second best Salarian, first is Mordin :)
padok wiks is third
Didn’t he punch Mordin on a STG mission once?
@@juansantos-lq2kz yeah but I think Mordin bit him or something and then they went back to drinking. Sounds fun really
1:57 So... medi-gel can save teammates that being stabbed in the chest by brute, shot by human reaper's lazer, but can't stop bleeding?
Seems legit...
Yeah i member saving that dude in mordins clinic that he tough we did it, the plague, but we cant help him wtf game
Mass effect logic bro.
Or a banshee, who picked them up and stabbed them in the chest with their giant claw hand thing lol.
theres a moral here, take the shot kirahee, kai leng had no idea you were there
He didn't just hold the line...he WAS the line.
"Never liked the idea of growing old anyway."
So presumably to get this Thane has to either be dead or you didn't visit him in the hospital, AND Kirrahe has to be alive. That's a fairly unlikely set of conditions! Still, poor guy deserved more of a badass death than that.
Pretty late reply but considering how many things can go wrong in the suicide mission to get Thane killed, while Kirrahe just requires you to make a right turn and blow up some drones (which you may just do automatically), it isn't that unlikely.
Well it was a real badass death in my view
@@YourCrazyDolphin Actually, saving Kirrahe is more unlikely than getting everyone out of the Suicide Mission, or at least I'd expect so given the facts about the mission. There's only one mistake that anyone is likely to make in the Suicide Mission if they've done the Loyalty missions and gotten the 3 main Normandy upgrades, both of which the game specifically tells you to do several times in different ways. The choice in the Suicide Mission that doesn't present an obvious answer (in fact, gives you very misleading information) is who to send as the Normandy Escort. The game has characters specifically say in this section that the Normandy crew are unarmed and will never make it on their own and you need to send someone to keep them safe. This would make you assume that you need to send an experienced or powerful fighter to protect them. I sent Grunt, who's literally the biggest gun on your team, there's literally no contest, he's pure power, he literally has no other strength or advantage. What the game literally never tells you is that each character has a hidden "defense rating" that decides how likely they are to survive the segment after the next one. The game also doesn't tell you that literally ANY character you choose to escort the Normandy crew is 100% successful with 0 casualties. So I picked one of the 3 strongest characters (4 Defense rating) out of my squad to do a completely pointless task, and because the game also didn't tell me they wouldn't be able to come back, he's also permanently gone from the mission. In the "Hold The Line" segment, you need at least 2 characters with a defense rating of 4. The rest of the characters will make up the rest of the points no matter who you take with you. I picked Garrus as one of my personal squad mates, leaving Zaeed the only one with a defense rating of 4. This resulted in Mordin being the only one to die in the Suicide Mission. Every other choice in the Suicide Mission presents at least 2 or more "Perfect" options, where nobody dies at all as long as everybody's had their loyalty missions completed, which you again should have done because the game specifically tells you to every time, with MANY more non-specific indications in the form of characters telling you that "we're going to lose people to the Collectors". That, and the choices themselves are incredibly obvious with who that selection of characters are. For the first choice, you are specifically told to pick a hacker. Mordin is the only character out of 4 with hacking experience that does NOT get a 100% success result if loyal, the correct options are Tali, Legion and Kasumi. Tali's whole thing is hacking, Legion is a literal Supercomputer AI and Kasumi is literally ONLY on the team for her skills as a master thief who can break any "unbreakable" security, even Collector security that nobody has any experience with for some reason. The next choice is who should lead the second squad, and the game straight-up tells you one of the correct options, Miranda. And if you don't want to pick her, she gives you a description of the kind of person you should pick, and the only two people who have experience with leading a live fireteam (Mordin has only led espionage teams) is Garrus. While I don't think it's said specifically, you could assume that a man of Zaeed's age, skill and profession has led a team before, but Garrus' entire arc in this game revolves around the fact he led a team at one point. If you're not picking Miranda, it's because you like Garrus more, and who doesn't? The next choice you have to make is who will *continue* to lead the second diversion squad, and the choices are the same as before. We've already been through the Normandy Escort, so the next choice is who to choose as the Biotic to go with you through the Seeker vents. There are two characters who will get a 100% success rating when Loyal, and this is out of five options. These are Jack and Samara/Morinth. Jack is so confidently the galaxy's strongest biotic that she's on the team despite how much she hates Cerberus (most of the crew) for torturing her as a child AND is incredibly violent and has a history of massacring groups and organizations that wrong her. We are THAT certain her Biotic abilities are worth it. Samara is an Asari, and they are naturally some of the best Biotics in the galaxy due to their complete and total control over their nervous system, so she's an obvious choice. Thane, no. Jacob. No. Not even going to explain those. Miranda will get a single squad mate killed during this section. It's easy to think of her genetic modification in the fact that she was grown/created, not born, to be superior to a normal human in every way and assume that she's a good choice for this section, but the chances of you choosing her over the other two options are very small unless Miranda is your favourite out of those 3, which is again very unlikely.
If Mordin is alive at the time of the Hold The Line segment (he should be, there's no way to get him killed unless you've intentionally gotten as many people killed as possible, or you picked him for one of the other segments and/or didn't complete his loyalty mission), then he's the character that dies if ANYONE dies at all, everyone else is fine.
So that's the mechanics of the Suicide Mission taken care of, I'll be very quick at explaining the mechanics of saving Kirrahe in Mass Effect 1. Seriously, that's not a joke, they're VERY simple.
There are 3 (I think, maybe 4) objectives that can be completed that affect the survival of Kirrahe and his crew. All 3 (maybe 4) of these objectives have to be completed, and I know this because I completed 2 of them in the playthrough on my channel and he and his entire crew were killed. One of them is to disable the communications tower, another is to direct the facility's alarms to your side of the facility and away from Kirrahe, drawing attention away from his team, and the last one is the one you pointed out, which is to destroy the fuel supply of a squad of refueling drones that are harassing Kirrahe and his men. This was the one that I missed, and it's because it's off the beaten path way off to the right in one of the battle zones, and if you try to flank the enemies by coming in from the left, you're likely to miss it.
In summary, it's way more likely to get Kirrahe killed and Thane alive. There are more ways to get Thane killed, but the chances of doing them either accidentally are incredibly narrow, while Kirrahe is almost guaranteed to be a second-playthrough rescue. Even then only if you accidentally play it differently or look up how to save him, because if you missed the drones the first time, you may end up doing the same the second time because the game doesn't tell or show you that he was killed by drones.
Personally, I like reading comments like this because there's a lot to break down and it's interesting, but I know a lot of people hate text walls. I hope you enjoyed it anyway
@@TOONYBOY Yeah, I'm normally fine with longer but when it is twice the length of my phone's screen...
@@YourCrazyDolphin Well it just depends on how interested you are in the discussion. If not, have a nice day
Kirrahey? Shepard never could get names right. I remember in ME1 Shepard first called Liara, Liera
Instead of Sovereign in ME1 he says Sov-vern
Yeah I remember that shit
I think that's just the VA. Jennifer Hale does a better job, haven't noticed too many slip-ups on pronunciation from her as compared to Mark Meer's.
Mark is also way too monotone to me, FemShep sounds way more threatening in some situations lol
Aww i was kind of expecting him to have a duel with the assassin like Thane did...such a weird way to die, i mean, was he like just standing there? because it didnt look like he jumped to block the shot and if so, why didnt he punch the guy or something instead of just taking the shot to the chest?
Even worse is that those hand blasters are super weak and even on highest difficulty need several shots to get through your shields. Kirrahe should not have died from that especially since his armor was clearly functional.
Hellothere _1 ain’t no armour like plot armour, am I right?
i prefer him diying in virmire, this death is just stupid
@@xx4rch4xx these were plot bullets, special "Fuck You, he gon die tonight" bullets that he had no hope of surviving...
no one ever had shields in a cut scenes in mass effect :(
I get why, they sorta spoil the dramatic tension of stand offs and remove the impact of someone getting shot.
But still, just ignoring them is a lazy solution.
To those asking why Kirrahe 'just stood there' or 'didn't attack Kai'- you see/hear him arrive/cloak/move infront of Kai to take the bullet for the councillor JUST before he fired it. There is no indication he was in the room the 'entire time' at all. It is safe to assume that he had no opportunity to attack, arrived late, saw Shepherd wasn't in a good spot to take a shot, so manned up and meat-shielded the councillor rather than risk something that could get the councillor or others killed. After all, his favourite weapon is the Scorpion (you know, EXPLODING BULLETS) - which you can see him firing at the car. Not exactly something you want to be popping off in a room full of people you want to protect.
Still, he held that line.
That sound effect is just Kai charging the shot.
Kirrahe's animation very clearly shows that he was standing still before getting shot, and you can't just say hardware or engine limitations considering that Conrad is perfectly capable of diving in front of Shepard to take a bullet in a damn side-quest.
Kirrahe had been standing there for long enough to fire.
"This is for Kirrahe, you son of a bitch."
Kai Leng might have looked and sounded like a 14 years old's self insert mary sue, but his power to turn Shepard into a complete moron when he's around was through the roof...
I feel more sorry for Kirrahe here than Thane. Thane redeemed himself in his death, using his skills to save a live instead of taking one. Kirrahe still had his mission, it wasn't his time yet.
but Thane was saving lives during his recruitment mission...
@@bighomienate9807 - No, he was minimizing collateral damage while carrying out his contract to take someone's life. There's a difference, because he was actively killing mercs, even if he was preventing others from losing their lives. In his last act, there was no contract, he didn't kill anybody, and prevented someone's death.
okay but his job was to kill the Asari, not to prevent casualties...
he could've let those people die in pursuit of his target but instead he chose to make sure they lived thru the ordeal, just because it wasn't his initial task doesn't mean it didn't happen...
and as far as the mercs bro if you work for the bad guy your expendable, that's Hero vs Villain 101...
besides one way to help people is to kill other people...
... or whatever the fuck Morin Solus said...
HE HELD THE LINE! My favorite character died. :( And all shepard can say is.. "another salarian"?? Shame on you shepard! He is NOT just another Salarian!
If you don't speak to Thane in the hospital during your first round of Citadel visits, he disappears from the game and Kirrahe takes his place.
He couldn't hold the line.
Your comment is so sad. But true
+Morg Cook no, he Held that line. He stood Point Blank in front of an assassin and was the Last LINE of defense for the Councilor. She survived....because he dared to Hold The Line.
Wow...I'm speechless. Now I have newfound respect for Kirrahe.
MinecraftPro15 they weren't. Part 3 had a very different writer than parts 1 and 2.
You see/hear him arrive just before Kai fires. His weapon of choice also happens to shoot explosive bullets - not something you want to be popping off in a room full of people you want to save. Only option was to hold the line... With his chest.
Shoot the satellites leading into the base, take out the enemies inside the base instead of sending them to him, and choose to leave whoever is with the bomb.
Honestly, this makes a lot more sense than the Thane version, which has a whole fight scene in which Shepard and the two companions do nothing.
I seem to remember this scene playing out a little differently when I got it, with Kirrahe's last words being, "Tell them I...held the line."
Am I crazy?
Pinfeldorf that was mordin's death in me2 if you choose him as the fire team leader in the seeker swarm part
"We lost another salarian..."
What the fuck, Shepard?!
Kirrahe . . . you taught us how to hold the line . . . thank you
we are still holding!
RIP Kirrahe, you were one of the good ones
I like that Kirahee takes that bullet like a boss but the question has to be asked...if he had a gun anyway, why didn't he just pop Kai Leng in the head when he was cloaked?
Thane has an epic battle and Kirrahe gets turned into a magnet.
His last words should`ve been: Now get him! I`ll hold the Line"
he may have been a spineless amphibian... but I respected that amphibian. way to hold the line my friend
Spineless? The guy went on a drastically undermanned suicide mission against Saren, had the balls to eat a full point-blank shot to the chest for a councillor (if you don't have Thane), chooses to support the fight for Earth no matter what his superiors decide... Spineless. Pfff.
Damn it my favorite salarian I wanted him to be a part of my team
Why does everyone go stupid and throw their lives away here? Thane could've shot him from across the room, but chooses to get into a knife fight instead. Kirrahe could've surprise-tackled and subdued him, but chooses to stand there and be a meat shield.
Holy shit that is a squad full of incompetant people xD
I honestly forgot Kirrahe was the one who replaces Thane if he dies in 2. Pretty cool scene with him.
"now it's fun" but proceeds to escape immediately without a fight
He’s not referring to fighting but with Shepard there Udina would be able to alter the footage so it looks like Shepard killed Esheel
I can’t believe he didn’t tell Shepard to “hold the line….”
And Why did we not see kirrahe's cloak? it must be very advanced to not be seen.
this is only only time shep's called him kirrahey. usually kirahee
ehhh why did Kirrahe just stand there?
If Kai Leng new he was there he would not have shot just him.
So he did not know he was there.
And in that Case Could Kirrahe not have done something more useful then just bodyblock the round...
If not able to Kill Kai Leng outright he could probably atleast have been able to disrupt him to the point where nobody died but Kai leng still got away.
You see/hear him arrive just before Kai fires. His weapon of choice also happens to shoot explosive bullets - not something you want to be popping off in a room full of people you want to save. Only option was to hold the line... With his chest.
Just poor writing. Realistically from literally everything else we know about Kirrahe he could've kicked Kai Lengs ass.
And it is for this reason that I will always make sure Thane is alive. No one can take my Kirrahe away from me!
You should read the Codex.
The Kinetic Shield are programmed to protect the user if an object is moving towards him or her at a certain speed. It's why they can, for example, shake hands with shields still on.
However, if the agressor is too close, like Kai Leng was here, the shields simply can't react in time to stop the bullets. It's what happened here.
Kirrahe: Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.
And the fact that he ran toward a man with a sword with a pistol.
Kirrahe is my favorite NPC/non party member. What an awesome character.
Kirrahe can survive ME1? What? I thought he was just a temporary side character like the krogan guy you kill in Grunt's loyalty mission. He plays a larger role if he lives?
Yes you just have to do as much as you can so he survives like destroy the antenna and the fuel port and later on in the mission dont send more troops to his team and he will be there after the mission
AzureKite619 Save the squaddie you sent with Kirrahe, otherwise he gets left behind along with the squaddie. So that means the squaddie arming the bomb gets it.
***** I sent kaidan with kirrahe, but then chose ashley. Kirrahe survived all 3 games for me, I just did everything else to keep him alive. The squaddie doesn't matter. (also, sick dp man, awesome series)
***** Hmm, I suppose. I prefer it that way though because it seems to make more sense for them to survive if you go and help out the squadmate that's with the Salarians.
maddy hill Sending more troops to his teams doesn't change the outcome of his survival, apparently. Still, would be better to not send them his way.
*salutes* At ease Kirrahe, let someone else hold the line.
Yes I didn't die *cough*... Good thing that Kirrahe was *cough*... At least I didnt die--..... *faints*
He died how he lived, holding the line.
A death is a death; Doesn't matter how you die.
Also, remember that Kirrahe says if there are any ways you can help them against the Geth, that you should. There's fuel tanks, satellites, and the communications terminal you can destroy. If you do those 3, fight the enemies at the base instead of sending them off with the alarm system, AND leave the person at the bomb behind, he lives. If you do all of that but go back for the person at the bomb, Kirrahe dies, since he's always at that position and gets overrun with your other member. Try it.
Hold the... oh... never mind.
Don't you mean HOLE the line? XD
RIP
You held the line
"Screw you (writers for) Shepard!"
He sort of came out of nowhere.
I wanted to hear him say "Hold the line.."
He wasint another salarian he was Kirrahe he held the line with bravry RIP Major Kirrahe we will remember and hold the line.
He sensed that the line needed to be held so he teleported to the citadel.
damn man the dude from mass effect 1, if he was invisible couldnt he killed or aim his hand elsewhere so it didnt kill him
Rest easy, sleep well my brothers.
Know the line has held, your job is done.
Rest easy, sleep well.
Others have taken up where you fell, the line has held.
Peace, peace, and farewell...
"another salarian" lol ... i liked captain kirrahe :(
No Kirrahe the honor and privilege to fight with you, is mine.
Yep. "Hold the line!" speech and all.
The description contains false information, just sayin'. You're not *forced* to kill Ashley/Kaiden if none of the two who can save the councilor were dead. You can Charm that person, although I can't confirm if that only is if they are your LI.
***** It's not harder, it's just not *that* easy when you're playing a douche.
OfficialGreekz no its pretty easy either way
insanealienpunk I know, that's what I said smarty.
My brother saved Ashley, didn't favour paragon or renegade and lost the counciler to the assassin. He didn't even romance Ashley.
Yeah, honestly, I'm not sure there's any way to "fail" any of the Charm/Intimidate speech options in the third game. The thresholds for success were set SUPER low. On my pure Renegade playthrough, I had the most minimal amount of Paragon points you probably could have, and every Charm option I ran into was still open to me.
I just realized Bailey is the same voice actor as General Tullius from skyrim
Maj. Kirrahe held...the.....LINE!!!!!
We lost another salarian....
Your such a nice guy Shepard...
He held the line...R.I.P
Kirrahe held the line.
on virmire when you start the push towards the base go to all the side areas on the way and take out a communication hub, a geth fighter fuel station and a few others and he will live.
Kai Leng has a top-of-the-line Cutscene Logic Field Generator in his gauntlet; Cerberus was just perfecting the tech when Shepard told TIM to shove it and left. It renders even main characters helpless against the villain in the first two acts of the game, much less secondary characters. The Major never stood a chance.
He held the line.
I accidentally got this because my game didn’t save right. I had thane alive, but it didn’t register that I had talked to him. I was really salty because thanes death is just off screen and he doesn’t get his heroic death
true. But the salarian who got the Star of Sur'Kesh deserved something better than a crappy ending than that. At least Thane got a bad ass fight scene
And yes he did survive me1, and i was speaking to him on the homeworld
The other variable is that it can be either squadmate but in order to save kirrahe you have to rescue whichever one is held down at the turret (where kirrahe's force is) not the bombsite.
Really needed a "Hold the line" reference in this scene.
Gotta hand it to Kirrahe, that was a pretty badass entrance.
My FemShep had Thane and Kirrahe dead and I was still able to recruit Ashley but you need to use paragon disrupt in conversation.
it seems he HELD THE LINE
At least he held the line.
Held the line to the last
I salute you Major Kirrahe
"I don't think medi-gel is gonna cover it"... Fuck that! Give him medi-gel, give him all of it, and keep giving it to him until he's either dead or jumping.
@adjhd1 Kirrahe was the leader of the Salarian squad on Virmire, who led an assault alongside your stealthier mission. He dies, however, if you do not provide adequate support for his squad.
As for Thane, I wouldn't know where he is.
The Salarian Councilor.
Kirahee always shows up if hes alive and Thane is just gone from the game if he is not spoken to prior to the Citadel attack
Before the diplomat, there were soldiers! Our influence stopped the assassin, but before that, we held the line! Now your influence stops the Cerberus, but in the battle today, YOU, WILL, HOLD THE LINE!
Never forget their sacrifices: Thane, Kirrahe, Mordin, Ashley, Shepard & Marauder Shields.
Was really expecting him to 'Hold the line' lol
With Paragon option choice you can talk Ashley/Kaiden down even if Udina shows the doctored footage.
You have to disrupt the communication tower AND the Geth Flyers on the Virmire mission to save him, otherwise he'll die.
Kirrahe's: they said I could be anything, so I became a meat shield.
There are actually so much facepalming moments with this whole mission that it did not matter anymore, lol
sheperd: oh im just going to stand here and let thane do all the rest.
ive been looking for this
*Shepard shoots glass, jumps down and lands with his superhuman body to break the fall*
Any party members with biotic powers: *Jumps and glides down with biotic powers*
Everyone else: *Takes the stairs*
Grunt: *Charges at window, trips over the edge, falls face down to the ground creating a crater* "he he he"